Nightcap - Hour 1: Lakers stay hot, Tank-Roach controversy, Jimmy Butler sued

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 1: Lakers Stay Hot, Tank-Roach Controversy, Jimmy Butler Sued

Release Date: March 3, 2025

Hosts:

• Shannon Sharpe (Shay Shay Media)
• Chad Johnson
• Ocho Cinco

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1. Lakers' Performance and NBA Standings

The episode kicks off with a detailed analysis of the Los Angeles Lakers' recent performance. The hosts celebrate the Lakers' victory over the Clippers with a score of 108-102, marking their sixth win in 19 games and securing the number two seed in the Western Conference.

Notable Quote:

Chad Johnson [23:39]: "We know what the Nuggets are. They got Nikola Jokic and you got to be able to neutralize him."

The discussion highlights the Lakers' strong defensive strategies and effective teamwork despite facing challenges like turnovers. The team's current standing is praised, emphasizing their potential as serious contenders in the playoffs.

2. Team Dynamics: Acquisition of Luka and Impact on Lakers

The conversation shifts to the Lakers' strategic acquisition of Luka Doncic. Chad expresses optimism about Luka's integration into the team, noting how his presence alleviates pressure on LeBron James and enhances the Lakers' overall performance.

Notable Quote:

Chad Johnson [09:06]: "They're going to make the playoffs. But when you get into the playoffs, you condense your bench, you're going to only end up playing about eight guys."

The hosts delve into how Luka's skills complement LeBron's, creating a dynamic duo capable of carrying the team through high-pressure scenarios. They also discuss the importance of supporting players like Dorian Finney-Smith and Gabe Vincent in maintaining the Lakers' competitive edge.

3. LeBron James' Milestones and Legacy

A significant portion of the discussion centers around LeBron James nearing the monumental milestone of 50,000 career points. Chad lauds LeBron's longevity and consistent performance, drawing comparisons to other NBA legends.

Notable Quote:

Chad Johnson [21:18]: "Everyone's been playing better than LeBron? Are we sure there are 10 players currently playing better than LeBron?"

The hosts explore LeBron's evolution as a player, his ability to maintain high performance levels, and the critical role his support system plays in his extended career. They also touch upon LeBron's playoff contributions and his influence on the team's success.

4. NBA Refereeing and Foul Calls Discussion

The conversation takes a turn towards NBA officiating, with Chad addressing perceived biases in foul calls favoring larger players. They discuss how these favorable calls impact game outcomes and the overall fairness of the league.

Notable Quote:

Chad Johnson [25:19]: "Remember what they used to do with Cam Newton, too? They never called him unless he was in the pocket."

The hosts debate the implications of such biases, questioning the consistency of referees and how it affects players' strategies and morale. They also compare basketball officiating to football, highlighting similarities in how size can influence referee decisions.

5. Jimmy Butler's Lawsuit

Shifting gears, the hosts address a legal issue involving NBA star Jimmy Butler. Butler is sued for allegedly failing to pay $260,000 in rent and causing over $127,000 in damages to a luxury home in Miami Beach.

Notable Quote:

Chad Johnson [54:28]: "He has to think about someone that knows let him spend 1.5 million on a house that's only valued at 10 million."

The discussion scrutinizes the plausibility of such high rent payments and the responsibilities of high-earning athletes in managing their finances and properties. The hosts also speculate on the potential impact of this lawsuit on Butler's public image and career.

6. Tank-Roach Boxing Controversy

The latter half of the episode delves into the recent boxing match between Tank Davis and Lamont Roach. The fight ended controversially in a majority draw after Davis took a knee in the ninth round, citing irritation from hair grease applied before the match.

Notable Quote:

Chad Johnson [64:19]: "Tank-Roach [sic] fight. Tank was up on the scorecard for, for that matter. But Roach was the more aggressive fighter."

Ocho and Chad critically analyze the officiating and the fighters' strategies, debating whether the outcome was fair and discussing the likelihood of a rematch. They also reflect on the current state of boxing, emphasizing the need for more high-stakes and authentic matchups to revive the sport's popularity.

7. Hosts' Final Thoughts and Conclusions

As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the day's discussions, reaffirming their optimism about the Lakers' prospects and expressing hope for more compelling fights in boxing. They emphasize the importance of teamwork, strategic acquisitions, and fair officiating in sports.

Notable Quote:

Chad Johnson [85:00]: "Our game has never been been better. Incredible young stars from all over the world and some elder ones."

The hosts encourage listeners to appreciate the complexities of professional sports, from team dynamics to individual player legacies, while also acknowledging the challenges that come with high-profile careers and intense competition.

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Conclusion

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers an in-depth look into the current landscape of the NBA, spotlighting the Lakers' rise, LeBron James' remarkable career, and the intricacies of player management and officiating. Additionally, the hosts provide a critical examination of a controversial boxing match, highlighting broader issues within the sport. Through engaging dialogue and thoughtful analysis, Shannon Sharpe and his co-hosts deliver a comprehensive and insightful discussion for sports enthusiasts.

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[Ocho Cinco]

When you say the Lakers are looking really good now when I asked you earlier when we talked about Luka coming to the Lakers, you said they didn't have enough pieces to make it out the West. Now you saying the Lakers look good? Are you saying they look good with a chance that they can contend or they just look good to finish off the season strong?

[Chad Johnson]

They're going to make the playoffs. But when you get into the playoffs, you condense your bench, you're going to only end up playing about eight guys. Tonight they played what they played nine guys. So you're going to be very, very limited. And you see they only have really Jackson Hayes, the big Jemison the third, got in a little foul trouble. Not really sure what he's supposed to do. The question is when they match up with team that has a big, you know, okc, I don't really fear okc. I know Shay is sensational. They got two all stars with Jalen Williams and Shay Gilgis. They're going to do what they do. But the problem, the problem that they're going to have is that what Luka did to him last year, right? And Luke about got a better running mate, more comparable running mate and LeBron to what he had with Kyrie. Now what they were able to do last year was throw all those bigs at him. They had likely they had Daniel Gafford. So it's going to be very interesting. And we know what the Nuggets are. They got Nikola Jokic and you got to be able to neutralize him. Now. They did an unbelievable job the last time they played him. They swarmed him. Some guys struggle. Luka and Lebron were sensational and they ended up winning that game. But a lot goes into it when you to. To make it out because you got to win, you got to win what, 12 games.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

To make it out of the West. Do I like their chances, the matchups. It's all about matchups once you get here. Now, hopefully they don't get the Nuggets in the first round to build some momentum and then maybe meet them in the second round or the Western Conference finals. But I like the way the Lakers are playing. I would have wished they had gotten a big. But you got what you got. Right now there are no more bigs available. You can't go to Walmart, you can't go to Kroger or order one off Amazon. You got what you got. But I like the way the Lakers are playing. They played really good defensively. They're getting after people and they just gotta stop turning the ball over. They had 16 turnovers. LeBron and Luka had 14, LeBron had eight, Luka had six. They could have blown this game open in the first quarter. But it was the turnovers that kept the. Kept the Clippers attached to him to clean that up. But I think J.J. will take it. They're playing really good basketball right now, Ocho. Minus the turnover. They're shooting the three ball well. They could shoot free throws a little better than 1420 tonight. High percentage from the field. There was almost 50% from the field. You could live with that. Offensive rebound. They were on the glass. They out rebounded this team.

[Ocho Cinco]

But it's another good thing too. I like about the Lakers, obviously the acquisition of getting Luca. So when you. When LeBron has a night like tonight where he's not on, then obviously you're not going to have a night where Both Luka and LeBron aren't on. And Luka, Luka takes, take, takes the. Takes the brunette.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

29.29. 9 and 6.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Shot. Shot. 5 or 12. He's getting better from the 3, 9, 13 from the field. Didn't shoot the free throw. We missed three free throws.

[Ocho Cinco]

So how long has it Been back since he'd been back from. From injury. What's it about?

[Chad Johnson]

It's probably about 11 or 12 games that he's been by.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I mean, that's enough time to get back in the rhythm. That's enough time to get back in the rhythm.

[Chad Johnson]

He's getting there. He's getting. He's getting his legs back on him. He's getting his conditioning back on him. You get in shape by playing whatever sport that is. You get in shape playing sport.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's the only way to get in shape, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I like the, you know, I like the, you know, getting on the cardio and doing all the other stuff. But you don't play football. You don't play football, basketball, a particular sport, on a bike, unless you're in the Tour. And even in the Tour de France, they have to get out there and they have to put the word road work in. They have to put those miles in when they go into the App d'huez and all that. You know that. The Champs Elysees. The Champs Elysees, that's the finishing stages. But I like what I see with the Lakers, I really do. J.J. redick is doing an unbelievable job. He's definitely in the running for coach of the year. If he doesn't get Kenny Atkinson, what he's doing with Cleveland is unbelievable. But I don't think anybody thought JJ would have this team where they are right now, 38 and 21, the number two seed in the Western Conference, playing really, really good basketball. They're defending at a high level. The offense is really fluid, except when they turn the damn ball over. But they're getting up threes. They're shooting a good percentage from the three point line. Well, almost 43%. Well, 43% tonight. 18 of 42 had some really good looks that didn't go down. LeBron didn't shoot the three ball over the last couple of games. He's been shooting the three ball really well. But tonight he struggled with the three ball. But that's what you got. You got a guy in luka that if LeBron's off, Luka can carry the load. If Luka's off, LeBron can carry the load. But you're going to need these contributors. Dorian, Finney, Smith. I really like what Vanderbilt came and gave us off the bench. He didn't shoot the three ball well, but he defended at a high level. Got it on the glass. He had what, five offensive rebounds, nine total rebounds, one assist, two blocks. I like what I got from him. I love what I got from Dalton. Connect. Even Shake Milton came in and gave us a big. Gave us a couple of big minutes. So you can't really complain. You got 40, what, almost 40 points from your bench tonight. You can live with that? You can live with that? Getting 40 points from your bench, knowing that you're going to get somewhere around, what, 45, 50 from LeBron on a nightly basis? Yeah. Then your other starters chip in. Hey, remember, you're playing without two starters. No Austin Reeves, no Rui.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yep. How.

[Chad Johnson]

How.

[Ocho Cinco]

How long before Reeves come back?

[Chad Johnson]

We don't know. He's dealing with a calf injury, so they say it's day by day. It could be three or four days. It could be two or three weeks. You don't know.

[Ocho Cinco]

They them soft tissue injuries, boy. Dangerous, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

It is, it is. But I know I like what I'm saying. I wonder what he's saying now, because there was a lot of people talking. I'll see you tomorrow, Wind Horse. Hey, Stephen. A get at your boy. We go talk. Cause y'all had a whole lot to talk about. Oh, the Lakers can't do nothing. What happened now?

[Ocho Cinco]

You know, they gonna. You know what they gonna tell you?

[Chad Johnson]

Huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

They gonna tell you it was one game. That's what they're gonna say.

[Chad Johnson]

No, hold on. This is what they're gonna do.

[Ocho Cinco]

They're gonna tell you. They're gonna tell you it was one game, and then they gonna flip things to. Well, if it was a seven game series, this and this and this and that and this is what would happen.

[Chad Johnson]

But you notice when. When the Lakers win is one game. If the Lakers lose, they just lost the series. I'm like, wait, wait a minute. It was. I thought it was one game. Oh, when. Oh, they can't beat the Clippers. The clippers? Really? Now LeBron got somebody to go ride shotgun with him. Boom. Now look at him. What now I'm feeling good. I don't know. Might have to bring the goat mask out or something.

[Ocho Cinco]

You gonna bring it out?

[Chad Johnson]

Might. Maybe. Ash got it. What you do with my mask? Ash? Ash supposedly have my. She was supposed to order a new one. This is the best time to order them. It ain't Halloween. No. He got horns. I made the crown. The crown? Yeah. I go to. I go to Party City. Oh, it's Party City still. Damn. I can't go there.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, Party City gone now.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, I go. What you call them? I go to. Hold on. What's the other store they got? Oh, I go to Burger King and Get a crown. The Burger King got a crowd. I go there, I go there, get me a crown. But LeBron has been playing unbelievable since he's averaged at almost 30 points a game, nine and eight since turning 40. He's played extremely well. I just know this with Luca taking him off the ball. And you have Austin Reeves, who's another ball handler. Handler. Would I be surprised if LeBron played 24, 25 seasons? Nope, not now. Because he's not going to wear him, that they're not going to wear him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Down because Reeves and Reeves and Luker take so much pressure off him. Listen, it's no, it's no different than. I hate to use, I hate to use this example. When you have a quarterback that has to rely on his receivers to do everything, and all of a sudden you get a running back. All of a sudden you get a running back where all the pressure is taken away from the quarterback. Yep, same concept. It's the same thing. You mean to tell me I can hand the ball off to Saquon, let's say Saquon, for example.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

Over and over and over. And I don't have to do much because he could take up most of the production. Okay, cool. You mean I don't got to handle the ball? I can give it to Luka or I can. Or Austin Reed could take it. Cause he can create his own shot.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

Man. And I believe you actually with the way LeBron taking care of his body, the way he take care of his body, he can play another four. Hell, maybe, maybe five. He might want to stretch it the same way Tom Brady did.

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[Chad Johnson]

I I I I can see him playing 25 seasons. I really can. Cause it. Averaging 25, 9 and 8 right now? Or 20, 25, 8 and 7, right? I mean, think about it. I mean he's playing at an all NBA level. I mean, are there 10 players currently playing better than LeBron? I mean, you take Shay, you take Giannis, you take Yolk. Then what? What are we talking here? Are we sure? Are we sure there are 10 players currently playing? Because there's three all NBA teams, you know, two defensive and three on the offensive end. Are we sure there are 15? There are 10 players, let alone 15 that are playing better than LeBron James is right now and for the season. Look at his numbers. Look at his team. Because before y'all say he just put up numbers in a losing effort, now look at it. Second in the West. Look at his numbers. 25, 24 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists. Are we sure? Are we sure they're gonna find out if there's 10 players currently playing better than LeBron James, let alone 15? We know they're not 15, but are they 10?

[Ocho Cinco]

They gonna find an argument.

[Chad Johnson]

Enjoy this. I don't believe you'll ever see a guy play this long and play at this level. Again.

[Ocho Cinco]

Nah, it's just.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I just don't. I just don't. Not talking about Lakers peaking in March. If they were losing, it's one thing. Let them win. I mean, they just got Luca for. Just got Luca for 11 games. They need to get some continuity now. You got, you got Reeves out, you got Rui out. It's hard. It's hard to drive because those are two of your starters. Yes, but Finney Smith came in, played extremely well tonight. Gabe Vincent in the starting lineup. Played well, three or six from the three point line, got a couple of rebounds. But I like what I saw from the Lakers tonight. There's nothing to, there's nothing really to be upset about. And what, LeBron James is now, what, one point away from 50,000 total points. When you combine playoffs and the postseason.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, oh, okay, okay, okay. I'm finna say he just gave me the 40,000 ball. How the hell he get the 50 that fast?

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, he ain't getting 50 that fast. No, I don't think. Hopefully you enjoyed it. Hopefully you enjoy what you got an opportunity to watch and appreciate it instead of critiquing and finding out everything. Because we normally lead with what he doesn't do. Well. Well, he doesn't do this and he doesn't do that and he doesn't do that instead of just like, you know what?

[Ocho Cinco]

Appreciate it while it's here.

[Chad Johnson]

I appreciate what you got. O.J. robert or spoke about LeBron earlier today and said if LeBron got the same calls as SGA, he would average 30 points a game and it'd be no question the MVP because he's so much better physically stronger. Lee, you make a. A vital mistake if you gave that to someone other than him. As of right now, look, they've been stopped because what they do ojo is they say it's the same thing they did with Shaq. How do you officiate? He's so big. That's not what Dr. James Naismith, when he instituted, he didn't say if a guy is bigger than the opponents, you don't call fouls. If they file him, they fouled him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Call him, most definitely. But they do take that into account. They just do. It's not fair, obviously. And Robert Ory is right. If they, if they gave LeBron the call, did they give SGA?

[Chad Johnson]

He would.

[Ocho Cinco]

He would average 30. He would. But again, they take into account that LeBron is so much physically bigger than most, especially, you know, especially those that, that that's happened to guard him. I, I I. I get it in a sense, and it's not fair, but I totally understand where they're coming from when they do do that.

[Chad Johnson]

Remember.

[Ocho Cinco]

Remember what they used to do with Cam Newton, too? Remember? Yeah, sometimes some of those calls. And now that's a blatant, blatant foul. But because it's Cam Newton, because he's bigger, more imposing. Yeah, never got him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, not in the pocket, I agree with you. But once you. Once you put that ball up under your arm, you better tee off on him. Because Ocho, if the coach, the head coach and the offensive coordinator is not going to protect that guy, why should I?

[Ocho Cinco]

Ah, okay, okay. When you say it, when you put it like that. I got you.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you running on. You're running them on quarterback powers. You're pulling two guards and a fullback and running your quarterback on a power. And you supposed to think I'm supposed to lay him down? No, I'm gonna lay him out if I get a clean shot on him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

But I don't believe. And even LeBron, when he was at his peak and getting calls, he didn't go to the line like Shay. Shay go to the line 21 times a night. Would have had 70 points if they would call fouls like James Harden used to go to the line. You remember James Harden had that straight. Chad. I know y'all know what he's talking about. When James Harden was going to the line a night like 15 times a night, shade going to the line like 13 to 16 times a night, they didn't let LeBron go to the foul line that many times. Man, please.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, Shay aggressive. Shay is very aggressive, too. Like, he going. He's literally going to the hoop that. When James Harden had that stretch, he was literally taking people off. No matter what, you know where I'm going, you gonna have to stop it.

[Chad Johnson]

Even Yanis, can you imagine, can you imagine when LeBron, man, what you think LeBron used to do? He used to live in the pain.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, Giannis. Hey. How does Giannis move work, man? He do the same two moves every goddamn time. Yeah, and they work every time.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. He is. He's gonna have to, like. The thing is, is that hopefully he's working on a contract because he's not gonna always be this athletic. You see what LeBron did? LeBron developed that three point shot.

[Ocho Cinco]

You got to improve on other facets.

[Chad Johnson]

Of your game with your athletic, because the athletic, he's. He's supremely athletic now. But LeBron and the Lakers are playing well. Luca LeBron his last MVP season, he was like 30, if I'm not mistaken, it was 2013. It was 2013 because, yeah, he, that was the second of the back to back, he was averaging 26.8. So he's averaging 27 points, eight rebounds, seven assists. He shot a 56, 41, 75. Right now he's. Since turning 40, he's 26.48 rebounds, eight assists, 55, 44, 76. So he's shooting better from the three, better from the free throw line, averaging more rebounds, more assists, and basically damn near the same amount. One percentage, he's 56. Field goal percentage, 55. Right now he's playing. He's playing. Unbelievable. He does a great job of taking care of himself. It's really important to him. His wife allows him to do it. She ain't in his ear chirping about, you need to come home. How much longer you gonna play? You know, obviously you have to have someone really, really supportive to play this length of time. Anytime you see someone play this length of time, their partner, significant other, whoever is that person is in their life, Ocho, you have to sign on for that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, you have to.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean.

[Ocho Cinco]

That'S so important. I don't think a lot of people understand what it takes, especially to the players long to, to. To achieve that type of greatness, you know, and obviously having someone by your side with great understanding and having that same vision that you do, that same vision of success. Not just success short term, but long term success on the field and off the field. So commendable. Commendable. Commendable. You know, to be, to be able to find that. Because everybody's not able to. Everybody. It's hard, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

It is.

[Ocho Cinco]

Before you make it. We ain't talking about you made it. I'm talking about before you make it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you have to have. Somebody had to understand, Ocho, okay, this is what I'm trying to accomplish. I need you to hold because you got. I mean, you can't have chaos in your personal life and think it's going to be serenity on the court. Ocho, you got to have peace at home in order for you to have peace on the court.

[Ocho Cinco]

Say, say, say what you just said again. Say what you just say. Say what you just said again. For the people in the chat, even if you don't play a sport, if you don't play a sport, let's say.

[Chad Johnson]

Your 9 to 5 job, you gotta have. You gotta have peace at home. You can't have chaos at home.

[Ocho Cinco]

You can't and that's just. And that's just on a smaller scale, especially sometimes they can't even get it right on a smaller scale. And we talk about. Wanna do great things like the example you're talking about. If you can't do it. If you can't do it on a small. On the small scale, how you gonna do it on the grander scale?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Because the thing is that an athlete's mind is as great as muscle is his greatest strength, and it needs to be free. You can't be thinking about having an argument with a significant other. He can't think about something that's going on out the field. And for the most part, the really great ones compartmentalize. But even if you're trying to compartmentalize on a few occasions, you know, maybe death in the family or something like that, but you tried to try to compartmentalize every game for a year or for years. Nah, it happened. It's really not. You really need peace. And, you know, Savannah made it abundantly clear she wanted to be. She wanted to be a wife. She wanted to be a housewife. She wanted to take care of the home, take care of the kids. Brian, do what you need to do on the court, and, you know, that's what you need. You see, he got. He got. LeBron got married early on, locked it down, and people got. People got mad at me when I said, I think the face of the league probably needs to be kind of locked down. If you go back and look at it, guys that have been the face of the league, have they been single? Steph Curry was married. Kobe Bryant. Kobe. Kobe got married. You got to realize Kobe got married early. Kobe wasn't the face of the league. Kobe got married early.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, do you think that's.

[Chad Johnson]

LeBron got married. Steph Curry is married. Jordan is married. Magic and Michael. I mean, Mike, Magic and Larry. So you go back, Dr. J.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, you think that's a prerequisite?

[Chad Johnson]

It's not a prerequisite, but what did people get so mad about Tiger about? Tiger got married, became the face of golf. And then when he did what he did, people got upset. Why? Because he was supposed to be the all American guy. He was supposed to be a family house, What? Picket fence, 2.5 kids.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, 2.5. I think we had 2.5.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what they say, the average family. 2.5 kids.

[Ocho Cinco]

I like that.

[Chad Johnson]

And they. They. You know what I'm saying? It's just. That's just the way it is.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. I mean, Listen, look at the quarterbacks.

[Chad Johnson]

Been the face of the league. Look at the quarterbacks. Name a single quarterback that's been the face of the league.

[Ocho Cinco]

Always, always, always.

[Chad Johnson]

I just want to know. Tell me, chat. Tell me the quarterback that's been the face of the league and he's been single. I'll wait. We go back, we can go. How far you want to go back? You want to go back to Johnny Unitis? How far you want to go back? You want to go back? Bart Starr, you want to go to Roger Starbuck, you want to go to Montana, Elway Marino, who you want to go to? Brady Manning? I'm just trying to figure out. You want to throw breeze in there, who you want to go to. Hey, you want to go Mahomes? I'm just. I'm just trying to figure out where you want to go with.

[Ocho Cinco]

Must be in the rule book or something. It must be somewhere in the rule book. You know, in order for you to have that greatness, you got to have that. You know what by your side. You got to have that.

[Chad Johnson]

It's tough.

[Ocho Cinco]

They're outliers, Right? It's this, It's. It seems like it's the standard for a reason. Look how far you just went back. And what does everybody have in common? What is the common denominator? A man. Find it a good wife. Find it a good thing.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, I think in the last 50 years, the only guy that you could say was a face of the NFL and then wasn't married was probably Rogers.

[Ocho Cinco]

Aaron.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

But he always had a spouse on the side. Without the ring. It was. Or somebody.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, he was. I mean, he was. He had Danica Patrick. He had Shalane Woodley. Yeah, yeah. And then he had Olivia Munn.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey. Aaron had a nice little lineup now.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. But I think the thing is, like the NBA, when you go back and study the NBA, when the NBA, the guys that have been the face of the league in my lifetime and I, you know, I'm just going. I go back to Dr. J and come forward. They've all. They've all had. They've all been grounded. They've all with, you know, people like, that's a family man.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

It is what it is.

[Ocho Cinco]

Funny how that works, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

It is. Oh, Joe lebron started a bit of a discourse on Friday when he spoke about Ant not striving to be the face of the league. Let's take a listen to what Goat James had to say. I don't know. When you. Why do you want to be the face of a league when all, all the, all the people that you know that cover our game and talk about our game on a day to day basis on everybody, that responsibility, that's just weird. This weird energy.

[Ocho Cinco]

I like that. I like it. I like it. But again, but again, are you able to be the face of the league and deal with the scrutiny that comes with on the other side of the media? Can you not care the word I like to use and you use this time, can you compartmentalize and separate the two still go out there and do what you need to do despite knowing with being the face of the league, you got to be on 24 7. Are you going to be on 24 7? Absolutely not. You're gonna have your nights. You're gonna have your nights. You're gonna have your nights. You off. You're gonna have your night. You want your highs, your highs to be. You want the percentage of your high to be much better than your lows.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho Cinco]

Who want to deal with that though, huh? You think about it, LeBron had. LeBron is the right person to be able to talk about it because he didn't have pressure since he came out of high school.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

He done had to deal with it times 10 more than anybody I could think of because of the expectations coming out of high school.

[Chad Johnson]

But you know what the thing is, Ocho, is that look, that's not something a player says. I want to be the face that we get to determine that. The media get to determine the face of the NBA. The fans get to determine the face of the NBA, not said player. That's not something LeBron didn't say. I'm the face of the NBA. That's not what Magic, that's not what Jordan, that's not what Bird, that's not what Kobe, that's not what Steph did.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

It sustained excellence for a period of time and they won. It's a sustained excellence for a period of time and you win. Just because you got a couple of highlights, that don't mean you about to be the face of the league.

[Ocho Cinco]

Nah.

[Chad Johnson]

And look, I get it. You know, it's like, well, Jayson Tatum and Shay and it's just hard for me to see a foreign born player because this is an American sport. It's just hard for me to see Americans getting behind a non American athlete saying, you're the face of our sport. But we'll see what happens. But when you look at Ja, you look at Ant, you look at Tatum and people like, well, Jason Tatum, I like Jayson Tatum. But people keep saying, well, hold on, are we sure Jayson Tatum is the best player on his own team? Because all I know, Finals MVP went to Jaylen Brown. All I know is Eastern Conference Finals MVP went to Jaylen Brown. So are we certain?

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Because it can be no ambiguity. Kobe couldn't come to face in the league as the second best player on his own team. Shaq had to leave in order for him to be that face.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Jordan was the best player on his team. Bird was the best player. Magic was the best player. LeBron was the best player. Now it might have taken 22 years for you to say, you know what? LeBron is the second best player now that he got a guy that's damn near 10 years, well, 14 years younger than he is. Luka just turned 26 the other day. But I mean Zion, Zion's got to win. He's got to be on the court. So the guys that we can say as far as American players, Ja, Ant man, Zion, Jason Tatum, we'll see.

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[Chad Johnson]

Oh yo. He elaborated the next morning. Exactly. Made my point. Made my point. But anyways Happy this converse convo has started. It ain't no face of the game. Ain't no about one person or one show. It's about a culture of basketball. The beautiful game in the world. The most beautiful game in the world. Our game has never been been better. Incredible young stars from all over the world and some elder ones. Steph Curry should be all we're talking about today. True Man Drop 56 we talked about it. Ocho. Let's discuss how great OKC and the Cavs have been this season with two completely different styles and break down why and how they have. Of course if players don't perform we need to discuss that too and break it and break that down. Even that can't be discussed in a way that's not bring finality to a player's game. But leave room to see how the player respond and let's watch the journey of that player. This ain't about me either. At this point I really don't care what you said about me. Always it's always something. This is about the impact of negativity is having on our beautiful game and our fans. I know it speak a lot about players. More importantly a hell of a lot of great fans and truly love and celebrate the sport around the world buying the game. What you think of Ocho?

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn, that's I'm trying to think.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean you look at. I mean look the sports are about stories. What's the story? I mean Shay. I mean we about to have another foreign born mvp. That's what we're about to have. Shay is from Canada. Jokic is 1:3.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hold on Shay not from the Crib.

[Chad Johnson]

Shay from Canada. Shay from Canada. Yoki just won three. Giannis is one two. Joel Embiid. So it's been a while since we had an American born mvp. It's been a while. Look, he's right. The Cavs. The Cavs be getting up threes. Donovan Mitchell didn't play tonight, but they had Ty Jerome come in. Played. Unbelievable. Who else? Somebody else. I was watching the game. I was flipping back and forth, right? But they had to come from behind because they were down damn near the whole game in Portland. And they came back and ended up winning in overtime. But they've been really good. And they were down the other night against Boston and found a way to win in Boston because Boston has had their number this year, Ojo. And as I mentioned earlier, Kenny Atkinson has those guys playing really, really well. I don't think he should have lost his job in Brooklyn. But hey, you know, they got guys and they wanted to move in a different direction. And with that level of talent, when your aspirations are championship and you hire a guy like, like Steve Nash, hey, they did. But look, if you're the face of anything, too much is given, much is required. Yeah, you're going to get a lot of benefits as far as advertising dollars and sponsorships going to come your way, but you do heavy as the head that wears the crowd.

[Ocho Cinco]

And that's one of the pros of it now.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, DeAndre Hunter, that's the guy. They picked him up from Atlanta. I'm surprised. But Atlanta's like, hey, we're not going anywhere. So, hey, let's. Let's offload. DeAndre Hunter can play. He was. He still can. But hey, he should be six man of the year because he was balling. He's averaging 20 off the bench.

[Ocho Cinco]

And then people laugh at me when I said I averaged 28, 28, 12, and 10 off the bench.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, you average 28 seconds off the bench.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, I'm just saying.

[Chad Johnson]

You getting straight? You getting straight? You getting straight? The game's out of hand.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, come on. Absolutely not. If Brother Hunter could do it, what do you think I would do? If that was my game?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Brother Hunter was my most outstanding player in the March Madness. Yeah, that's not you. Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

I just. I was just throwing that out there.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay? Jamie Foxx defends LeBron's legacy. If he came up with a cure of cancer, they would say, yeah. What about diabetes? 40,000 points over 20 years of play, carrying this bum ass league on his shoulders. Ungrateful.

[Ocho Cinco]

No matter what you do they'll always find a way to down your greatness. No matter who it is.

[Chad Johnson]

Nobody.

[Ocho Cinco]

No matter who it is.

[Chad Johnson]

Nobody. Ocho, I've followed this game for an extended period of time, and I go a ways back. Nobody in the history of sports has been exempt other than Muhammad Ali. When he did what he did and ever caught the vitriol that this man did, Nobody go. Go back and look it up. Nobody has nobody. The man average, the man scores 50, they say, well, Kobe would have got 70. Jordan would have got 80.

[Ocho Cinco]

Always the man.

[Chad Johnson]

Give you a 50 point triple double against that team. Y'all do realize a lot of these teams were in the league when Kobe played. But y'all just go. Y'all do realize how Kobe retired? He was 36 and 37. 37.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Y'all remember what he looked like his last three years or we just gonna forget that? Oh, okay. Don't we go. Just forget that. Don't even worry about it, Ocho. We're gonna forget that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Do y'all remember about what Jordan looked like in. In. In. In. In. In. Washington.

[Ocho Cinco]

Washington.

[Chad Johnson]

We just gonna get that. See? Oh, that was. They were just finishing up. Now, if they had won a title, everybody would have spoke about the greatness of those two guys. Now they didn't win a title. Didn't come close to winning a title. I heard when LeBron first got to LA, he came to be Michael B. Jordan. He came to be a movie star. Now he's been all NBA since he's been here. He's won a title. He's been MVP of the finals. And they still won't give no credit. I ain't got no problem giving people credit. If you play good, I'm gonna say you play good. If you play bad, I'm gonna say that too.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, you always been fair.

[Chad Johnson]

But listen, but that's the luxury. That's the luxury about having your own platform. That's the luxury of being in a situation. Hey, everybody knows how I feel about LeBron, but if he plays bad, I don't have a problem saying that. Same thing with Mahomes, same thing with Kelsey. But see, I like it because they say I criticize. When I criticize Josh Allen, they say I'm racist. If I criticize Lamar, they say I don't like blacks. So I'm doing a pretty good job on your. So I'm getting on both sides, you know, I'm doing it right down the middle.

[Ocho Cinco]

Then you're right. Listen, you're fair, you're Fair. And everybody get the same treatment.

[Chad Johnson]

That's it. Now, I don't hear anybody said when Lamar was coming out, I said, I don't care what they say, Lamar, don't you take your ass to receiver. Don't do no receiver drills. Don't do no DB drills. You are a quarterback. Go play quarterback. And then if you can't make it as a quarterback, say, you know what? I can't play quarterback. Let me go ahead on. I'll go to wide receiver. But don't you. I'm not running no drills at no wide receiver because I've been a quarterback. Even when he struggled, I was supportive. But if he plays bad and I say, well, Lamar didn't play well today, he's got to do a better job of taking care of the football. Why you. Bro. So what am I supposed to say if Lamar plays bad? I just want y'all to tell me. What am I supposed to say? Cause Brady played bad. I was. I said that when Peyton played bad. I said that when Romo and Breeze and Dak and whomever else, when they play bad. You looking at it, too. The only difference is I get to tell you says, look, in a situation like this, why would he throw the ball into that coverage when you know it's this coverage and you know you got. You supposed to go elsewhere with the ball. I ain't got no ass to grind. I ain't jealous of the. I had an okay career. Ojo 0, seventh round draft pick, made it all the way to the high. Pro Bowls, All Pro Super Bowls, all. So why. I'm just trying to figure out. People say you be jealous of what? Y'all make it seem like I was a special teams guy. I did. I started out on special teams. Ocho led the team. You tackle. Wish you was on point return. I had something for you, too. Who? I bet you can't sit on a branch and turn your head around. You. You, that's who. Well, you scared to catch the puns. You scared to get back there. I ain't even worried about you back there. Oh, you doing an awful lot of who ing tonight.

[Ocho Cinco]

You keep forgetting. What? My rookie year, my rookie. My first and second season, I was a wedge buster. And you keep talking about me being scared.

[Chad Johnson]

You a wedge buster. You ain't no wedge. You too light to be a wedge buster. You get your neck broke, huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

You do realize. Okay, listen. I don't want to get off topic, but I was a wedge buster. Ask. Ask my teammates. Hey, I'm sure you noticed Some of my teammates as a rookie when I came in, who the wedge buster was, not you. All right?

[Chad Johnson]

Because back then, the wedge was a thousand pounds. They had three man wedges.

[Ocho Cinco]

I know how much it was.

[Chad Johnson]

And you ain't hitting those three. First of all, you ran in the rate at 245 and collapse like a deck of cards.

[Ocho Cinco]

Time out. You saw me running the Ray and trip over my shoestring is what you saw.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I didn't see that. No, I didn't see that. I did not see that. So I can imagine if you chat. Y'all think he ran into Ray at 245 and collapsed. You think he gonna run into a thousand pound wedge?

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, it's a. You understand physics, the laws of physics. I understand it. I was a math major, I was an econ major. So I understood what angles I need to take on the wedge and to affect what they did regardless of size.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho, Ocho, you do realize the wedge back then, you had. I mean, it was like D linement, an offensive lineman. So you dealing with 330, 340 running.

[Ocho Cinco]

I was. I was there. You sitting there telling me like I was there? I'm the one running. I'm the one running into it.

[Chad Johnson]

What do you mean? Pull the tape? I want to see some tape. But you busted the wedge.

[Ocho Cinco]

Sure. That show you adding Dick LeBeau?

[Chad Johnson]

No, I ain't gonna ask him about that tape. Like you tell me you want to tape from when I dropped 52 or what? I had averaged 30. You want to take.

[Ocho Cinco]

I ain't seen no tape yet.

[Chad Johnson]

I want to see tape when you busted the wedge. Now, I can pull some tape for you. I can get some tape for you. Me on special teams if you want it.

[Ocho Cinco]

And I'm gonna have NFL films pull it for you so you can see it if you.

[Chad Johnson]

If you want me. If you want me to pull some tape of me making tackles on special team on kickoff. Oh, punt. I was a gunner. You want to see me make a tackle? I do that, Ojo. Okay, I get that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, matter of fact, ask the Daily Thomas about me, man.

[Chad Johnson]

You wasn't. First of all, you wasn't on. No. You wasn't on no special team when AD Was playing.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, he was the gunner. Man, would you try to eat?

[Chad Johnson]

I know he was the gunner. Huh? I know Fast was a gunner. Yes, yes.

[Ocho Cinco]

And who you think was. I was on him. I still played special teams even then.

[Chad Johnson]

So you was a jammer?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, in my prime. I. Listen, I was.

[Chad Johnson]

I was.

[Ocho Cinco]

I was Everywhere.

[Chad Johnson]

Jimmy Butler has been sued for allegedly failing to pay 260,000 in rent and lit and leaving behind more than $127,000 in damages related to a luxury home he leased in Miami Beach. In the suit, the plaintiff contend Butler failed to pay two months of rent at 130,000 per month for the property. Damn.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, the law. The lawsuit.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho. 130 per month. The lawsuit also alleges that Butler changed the looks and would the lock. Excuse me. And would not give the key to the property owner keeping maintenance workers from entering the home. Butler also is alleged to have failed to maintain the swimming pool, the air conditioning and ladder leaving leading to an extensive molecule that require replacement of the ceiling floors on the property. A hundred. Hold on. $130,000 a month. I'm trying to think. How much is that? That's like a 25. That's like a $25 million home, mocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, why I'm. Listen, hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

How much? How much. Hold on. How you paying? How you paying $130,000 a month on a $10 million home? A $10 million only home only supposed to charge you about 40,000 to 45,000amonth.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, the fact that you even know the numbers and how much it should cost, that lets me know I'm out of y'all.

[Chad Johnson]

That's.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's out of. Y'all out of my range. Y'all out of my range. I mean, the numbers. You. The numbers. You're even saying is too much because. And I. I can see it. I got it. But it's. It's not. It's not. It's not connecting. 130 who a month. Never, ever, ever. I don't care what it is. $10 million home. For what? Because I murk. Because I play in the NBA, right? Because I make a certain amount of money. That means my lifestyle has to. Has to match.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but Jimmy. I don't know why Jimmy just didn't buy. He didn't. I don't know why Jimmy didn't buy a place because he had been there for an extended period of time.

[Ocho Cinco]

He know.

[Chad Johnson]

He knows.

[Ocho Cinco]

He wasn't. He wasn't gonna live here. It's not his home state.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's 1.5. That's over. That's 1 point. That's over 1.5 million.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, you know, and 1.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he done. Ojo, if that's $10 million, that's a.

[Ocho Cinco]

Drop in the bucket for some. For. For them. For them. For them. Dudes.

[Chad Johnson]

But that's beside the point. The point is Ojo, he's paying that much in rent for a place that he. He's sending somebody. He's paying for somebody else vacation home.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

He's paying for somebody else kids to go to private school and nice college.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

1.5 million on a $10 million home. That's crazy. That is absolute. That's his bonkers.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, remember what kind of money they make? They make FU money.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, I get that, but just because you make FU money, I'm trying to let the. I'm trying to figure out what financial advisor let him spend 1.5 million on a house that's only valued at 10 million. That's my point. Damn. If you got it, if you got a financial person, ain't no financial person in their right mind would let their client do that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, that's, that's.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, I ain't telling. I'm, I'm, I'm. Cause I mean, I mean, what do you have a financial advisor for? Now maybe they did tell him and he didn't listen because like you said, he's making that money. Yeah, me. What's the point of having a financial advisor if I'm not going to take his advice?

[Ocho Cinco]

And what if the financial advisor didn't even say anything because he wants to continue to remain his financial advisor, if you know what I mean?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, that's 138, man. I'm still trying to wrap my head around that. Yeah, but every month, you hear me, boy? Stop playing.

[Chad Johnson]

What Jesus added up. That's got to be. That's got to be a third. What's the interest rate? God put in Google? 40 mile. If I put $2 million down on a 40 million dollar home, what would be my monthly. What would be my monthly payments? This is freaking me out. Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Now, just the number. The numbers being at high. The numbers being that high in general, it just doesn't sit right with me.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you put. No, say you put down 10%. You got to put down 10% of the house.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, put down 4 million. So that's 30. Okay, so how much is the monthly payments and what's. What's interest? Huh? 220,000. Okay, okay. 5% interest rate. So come down to 20. 25 million. So you'll put down 2.5 million. Don't tell me. 137amonth for a $25 million. For a $25 million home. If you put 10% down, which is 2.5 million would come to 137, $137,000 a month.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, so that means Jimmy must have been on Star island then.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know where he was. All I'm saying is with that kind of money that you're paying out monthly. I know. Don't ask me how I know, But I know.

[Ocho Cinco]

$25 million home. It's only so many $25 million homes. Coral Gables, Star island, it says in Miami Beach. Yeah. So that's, that's definitely it. Gotta be Star Island. That's the only place. And obviously you're not paying for the house you're paying for. You paying for the location.

[Chad Johnson]

Location. Real estate. What is real estate, Ocho? Location, location, location.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's it. That's all.

[Chad Johnson]

That's it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Now you can get the same house. That's 25 million in Miami Beach. And you could be in Houston and get it for 5 million.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Boy, do you, do you know how much house you could get in Houston or Vegas or Tennessee?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh yeah, yeah. Crazy man.

[Chad Johnson]

You'd have to have, Listen, you'd have to have like maid service like they got in a hotel to clean that.

[Ocho Cinco]

To clean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most, that, most definitely.

[Chad Johnson]

You talk about 50,000. Hold on. Holyfield building. Holyfield house? The one Ross got? Yeah, that's 50 plus thousand square feet. He built that for like $10 million.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. It's ginormous.

[Ocho Cinco]

Huge.

[Chad Johnson]

Huge.

[Ocho Cinco]

You see how much grass you got? A full baseball field, Olympic size swimming pool. Different.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I, I, I, I'm just. 130 000amonth. Nah, hell no. No, I, I can't, I can't do that. Not, not even if I got the money. Ojo.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Who you tell you? Hey, listen, you talking to the, you talking to the choir gospel man, man, please.

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[Chad Johnson]

Ocho Giovanni Tank Davis escaped Barclays center on Saturday night with a majority draw against lamar roach. The 30 year old Davis, who is undefeated and was the heavy favorite, took a knee in the middle of the ninth round before retreating to his corner of a member to wipe his face with a towel. The unusual move, essentially a timeout, should have been assessed and knocked down and Steve Wilson appeared to begin the 10 count, but Willis Ben can be heard on the broadcast. Taylor Davis. You take a knee like that, it looks like a knockdown. However, the fight continued without Roach being credited with knocking Davis down. Davis said during the post fight interview in the ring that he got a hair. He got his hair done Thursday and the grease from the hair was burning his eyes. Hairstylist denies putting a lot of grease on the hair especially I did his hair Wednesday, it's Saturday. He did press Jim Weight. That's not an excuse. How much grease did. How much grease did I use? Damn, you're like you ain't gonna mess up my business.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta. You got. Hey, listen, you had to be careful with that, with that answer because obviously, because she's the one that does this hair, her clientele is shot up because she's the one that does this hair. Now you come out and say something like that. You're the reason why. Now, that's gonna mess her business up. So she got to come out and defend herself. Absolutely. Right away. She has to. Now, obviously, watching the fight, watching the punch, I don't think. I think he's surprising. I think he's surprised him with the punch and hit him in the wrong spot, the wrong place, and they caught him by surprise, and it caught him to go down. I'm just saying, honestly, Roach. Yeah, Roach quoting by surprise.

[Chad Johnson]

I didn't see. I didn't think he got hit.

[Ocho Cinco]

You don't think he got hit?

[Chad Johnson]

I don't think so. But regardless, when you take a knee, if you go back and look at when Floyd Mayweather fought Cruise, I think. What was it, 2001? And he hit him on the button and he hurt his hand and he took a knee and it started. He's like, no, I just. And he started the ten count. Yeah. You can't take a knee.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So if they give him that point, he wins the fight. Yeah, he wants to fight.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, Unc. Hey, listen, them boys were going at it, bro. Them boys were going at it. I think it was a part that I really enjoyed. Obviously, you know, boxing is about, you know, moving around. And there was a point where Tank and Roach decided, you know what? We tired right now. We finna sit here in the pocket and we finna bang, man. I mean, just exchange. And boy, them. Boy was Thorin.

[Chad Johnson]

Boy, Roach didn't back down at all.

[Ocho Cinco]

At all. And did you see the size difference in the ring? Obviously, obviously, Roach being, you know, Being.

[Chad Johnson]

Being.

[Ocho Cinco]

Being the bigger man, but Roach came up.

[Chad Johnson]

Roach Normally fights at 130. He came up to 135.

[Ocho Cinco]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Ocho Cinco]

What? They look huge in the ring.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

All right. Either way. Hey, listen, they got. They got a rematch. They got a rematch. And that dog, that. That fight was good. And obviously, a lot of people. I've seen a lot of boxers come out and say, you know, Tank lost. Lost that fight. I think the fight was good. I think when I. When I looked at the scorecard, I think maybe going into round seven, maybe seven or eight, maybe. Maybe seven. I think Tank was up on the scorecard for. For that matter. But Lamont Roach had always Been good. He had always been good. And he was the right, he had the right style. The styles make fights and Lamont Roach's style made that fight what it is.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, what it is, it's.

[Ocho Cinco]

And he made no mistakes too. All night.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, look, Tank, Tank hit him with a good couple of good shots.

[Ocho Cinco]

A couple of clean ones.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. But he moved. Hey, and he started countering.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, Tank was kissing.

[Chad Johnson]

He would counter right back, right back, right back. And you know, the straight right through the, the guard, through a, A southpaw, because that's what Tank is, a southpaw fighter. Hey, that jab, hey, he kept him up off him. He didn't back down. And you know, normally Tank starts slow, comes on. Yeah, Roach said, I'm here to stay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

He said, I'm here for a long time and a good time. I ain't going nowhere.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm not sure what kind of conditioning Lamont Roach did, but whatever it is, I salute him because everyone else at some point passed round seven. You know, normally when fighting, people fighting Tank, they die down.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they die down.

[Ocho Cinco]

They volume of punching decreases, you know. Well, everybody gets tired after round seven and on. But, but his, his condition was, was up to par. They went to war all 12 rounds. That was a really good.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but me, I thought Roach won the fight. I did.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ojo, if they count that knockdown. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

I thought even without the knockdown, I thought he won it. I thought he had. I mean, look, I know Tank landed punches, but Roach was the more aggressive fighter. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, being an aggressive fighter. Did you see the, did you see the scorecard, though? You go to the punch.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they showed the scorecards.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. So, I mean, it's, it's, ah, it's tough. It's tough. Good. Listen, a great fight from both fighters now to me fight next, I would like to see them rematch at some point. I'm not sure if that's in, in, in the foreseeable future. I mean, it should be. Obviously, if it was a draw, I would love to see Tank.

[Chad Johnson]

What does the number say? The pay per view number is going to tell you if people want to see a rematch? Because if they came out and bought the fight, yeah, they'll get a rematch. If they didn't do the numbers on your.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, I think, I think it did the numbers.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

I think, I think it definitely did the numbers. I mean, listen, it's, it's Tank. Either draw, he's a draw. They coming to watch. They coming to watch. I mean, listen, I'M excited. I can't wait to see him. See him fight Shakur.

[Chad Johnson]

But everybody had a lot to say. Shakur had a lot to say. What's his name? Tank Haney had a lot to say. Bud had a lot to say. Yeah, but I think you do realize, Ocho, what this does is that it gives fighters, like, everybody know Tank got power. Now it's like, okay, I want to fight him. Shakur's like, okay, let's make this fight happen, right? He talking about Bud. Look, Bud looking at Canelo. Bud ain't looking. Bud ain't looking to drop no weight. He ain't nobody want. The only fight Bud can make is Canelo, right now. That's a big jump to go up three weight classes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Huge jump.

[Chad Johnson]

That's huge. I mean, normally, somebody go up a weight class, maybe two, right? Because Roy Jones. Roy Jones, yeah. Roy was super middle, but Roy was fighting at. Was fighting at a light heavy, so he would have went from cruiser to heavy.

[Ocho Cinco]

Heavy. Yeah, but that's going to be a good one, though. That's gonna be a good. I mean, listen.

[Chad Johnson]

But I just. I thought, Tank, when. You know, you got to the middle rounds, don't you. You got around like 4 and 5 and like, okay, here come Tank. Here come Tank.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, he just. No, he steps on the gas after round four. He normally steps on the gas and comes forward. Just in general. But also, you gotta understand, at this level of elite boxing like that, you gotta be careful. Especially when you're exchanging one shot. Boy, you gone. Yeah, listen, one shot, you gone. So us as fans, watching from the outside, looking in, you know, you want them to just get in there and just throw it, just. But, hey, it's a chess match. You got to be careful. You make one mistake, you going to sleep. You going to sleep.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, the little guys, what they do is they put. But, see, that's they could put. They put punches together, you know, as you go up in weight class. Them the ones that turn the lights out with one fight. Now, still, even at the smaller weight class, they catch you with a punch, you don't see, they can turn your lights out.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they catch you in between punches, boy. It's a rap.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they catch you throwing a punch, you throwing one, and they. And they get through quick. Or the one here to quit. The overhand that you don't see until it's too late. Or the uppercut that you never see because it's coming from the blind spot.

[Ocho Cinco]

Blind spot.

[Chad Johnson]

So that's why, you know, you look At Tyson. Tyson was always to the body, and he coming through. He coming through the guard. He coming through the guard. Tyson gonna bang the body. You know it's gonna come. You know what's coming. Stop it if you can, but it was. It was. It was a good fight, Ocho. I mean, I don't normally pay. Pay for fights, but I say, you know what? Let me see what's really going on, because I know we gonna talk about it. I wanted to see. See Tank. I want to see Roach. Tank bet him 2. Bet him quarter of a mill that he was gonna get him out there. Roach said, no, you won't. So it's gonna be interesting to see if they have a rematch.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they have to, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

But look, there. There's enough fighters in that. That class. You got Lomachenko, you got Shakur, you got Haney, you got Garcia, you got Tank, you got Roach. Come on, man. Make these damn fights happen. Stop ducking and dodging each other. What the.

[Ocho Cinco]

They got some good ones coming up now. There's a whole card with to Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney coming up. Yeah, there's a whole card.

[Chad Johnson]

No, they should be fighting each other. See, that's why people don't give the credit, because remember back in the 80s when they had the Four Kings, Hearns fought Leonard, he fought Hagler, he fought Duran, Duran fought those guys. And then you crowned the Fifth Horseman, you had Iran Barkley. Those guys fight. Go back and look at the 70s and you look at the heavyweights. When you had Norton, you had Frazier, you had Foreman, you had Ernest Shavers, you had all those guys, they fought, right? These guys. I love Floyd, but I hate what Floyd did to the box, the game of boxing, because everybody's trying to protect that O. Ain't nobody want to take no chances, because they feel now, if I take a chance, I lose. Ocho, my career, bro. Stop it.

[Ocho Cinco]

But Floyd fought everybody. He fought everybody on his terms. This is the point when you're winning like that. You get to call your shots on your terms.

[Chad Johnson]

Everybody ain't gonna be Floyd. Even if you end up undefeated, you not gonna be Floyd. Yeah, that's what they thinking.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm trying to think. Then all the fights, like, all the fights, too. Obviously, you want to see all the fighters fight each other, but also they have to keep building it up to maximize the person which they can get. You can't just fight just to fight, just because everybody want to see you fight. You got to wait. You got to build it up. You got to get some fights in. You got to create some type of chaos, some type of goddamn turmoil.

[Chad Johnson]

Lomachenko has done enough. Shakur Stevens has done enough that they should be able to get in the ring with Devontae, with Javonte, with Tay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, it's not that easy, though. It ain't that easy. I mean, the way you say it, you know, for us on the outside, looking in like, forget it. Make it happen. But the money gotta be right.

[Chad Johnson]

The money. Right, Ocho? The matter is, this is what Camillo. This is what guys do. Instead of taking a risk at 20 million, they rather fight somebody they know they can beat for 10. That's how they doing it, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

People see what they doing. That's why UFC has surpassed them, because Dana White ain't let you duck nobody. And they ain't got. And see, you got the wba, you got the Ring Magazine, the wbo, the I, the. The I, the ibf. You got all these uniforms, the sanctioning bodies.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

You got too many belts, man. Fight. What you getting the sport for? I mean, just think about Ocho. If sports. If sports was really like that, you know, what, you know, cancer is like, nah, we don't want to play Philly. Y'all send somebody else to the Super Bowl. That's what these guys doing. They ducking.

[Ocho Cinco]

I like you to put it that way. But you. You gotta understand. But the. At that level, at the elite level, you have to be careful. You have to build your resume that you want to maximize the type.

[Chad Johnson]

So Lopez don't have the resume to be able to fight tanks. To a female. To a female.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, so what you saying? Build a resume. So he don't have a resume right now that's impeccable enough to fight it. What about Shakur Stevens? His record ain't good enough.

[Ocho Cinco]

But again, we talk about purse, you got to think about how they thinking. They think about that bag, they think about that money. I don't want to fight you right now, because financially, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't. It doesn't.

[Chad Johnson]

No. All I'm saying is, man, you gotta fight what people loved about Sugar Ray. This is why boxers today don't get the love and the adulation that the old guys. Cause they fall on choke. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

For no money.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Look.

[Ocho Cinco]

They are prize fighters. That's what they are. We could want them to fight as much as you want, but I'm telling you what it comes down to. What is my purse looking like, Ocho?

[Chad Johnson]

The time looking like, because you not fighting nobody. They not getting no 1 million dollar. They not getting a million buys. They're not getting 1.5 million buys like Floyd. So stop trying to think that you gonna be Floyd.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, I see what you mean.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, you ain't gonna never be that. Because everybody, Everybody was tuning in to watch Floyd lose. There's a difference. That's how I even got to that point.

[Chad Johnson]

But look at Tyson. I mean, go back. Go back and look at those guys. Those guys fought. You gotta fight, Ocho. At the end of the day, you gotta fight. You gotta fight. I want you to get your money, but you ain't nobody gonna be tuning in to watch you watch you box somebody. They want to see you. They want to see Lopez and Shakur. They want to see Tank and Shakur.

[Ocho Cinco]

Or Lopez, Evan Haney, Ryan Garcia.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. They want to see fights like, all.

[Ocho Cinco]

Those are great matches. But again, why is it so hard? I said, I see some people in the chat complain and stop making excuses. Why is it so hard to get fights? Why do you think people don't want to send contracts? And when they do send a contract, they look at it be like, I ain't fucking sign that shit. You ain't even paying me. It all comes down to one thing. At the end of the goddamn day, no matter what y'all say in the chat, I ain't making no. No excuses. The purse ain't where it need to be.

[Chad Johnson]

Why the purse isn't where it need to be? Because they don't want to see them jokers fight nobody. They want to see them fight the best, and the purse will be there. I'm not paying you no 25 million to fight some guy that's 13 and 5 and you 27 and old. How you think we would not hold Sugar Ray in the regard had Sugar Ray not fought who he fought? He fought Benitez, he fought Hagler, he fought Hearns, he fought Duran.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I mean, it's different.

[Chad Johnson]

Hearn, Hagler, they fought. You talk about the. In the 80s, the four kings.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, the best.

[Chad Johnson]

Go back and look at the 70s, and look at those guys they fought.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Foreman, Ali, Frazier, Norton, Shavers. What's the. The other guy? There's another guy that George Foreman just went. And they went like eight rounds, but they were just. It wasn't. It wasn't aesthetically pleasing. Yeah, but Ocho, they was throwing atomic bombs.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Isn't that trying to kill each other? Yes, I'm speaking. You got to think about it, too, now. When I'm sitting here talking, I'm listening to people in the chat. But then you got to think about, I'm in camp with some of these folk, man. I'm listening to the conversations. I'm. I'm in there literally, you know, why certain fights are getting made. I'm in there with Boots. I've been in there with Kayla Plant Benavidez. I'd have been in the can with Tank. The same. I'd have been in the can with Shakur. It's the same conversation, the same thing over and over. So when I'm saying stuff like this, people say I'm making. No, I'm not making excuses. I'm sitting there listening with my own two ears. I'm listening to what the issues are. Well, we can't make this fight because the money ain't what it should be. And why am I getting in, risking myself or risking the L or O or whatever it may be for every case.

[Chad Johnson]

Because you in the fight game. Why get in the fight game? Every time you step in the ring, there's a chance.

[Ocho Cinco]

There's a chance. There's always a puncher's chance. But I'm still telling you what it is. I'm just saying.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just saying, man, look here. Until they start that. And that's why people. The people to stop watching, you got to go all the way. The Saudis, they try to make. They making fights in Saudi and Dubai because they joke, won't fight over here. Fight.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's so funny. I see people in the chat about. I'm lying. I mean, it's well documented. Everything I'm saying, all you got to do is just type it in. It's there. But anyway, anywho, it's all good, man.

[Chad Johnson]

I just. Hey, I just want to see him fight. I just want to see good fights. Give me, man. Hey, Ocho, man, you look, I done been to prize fights. Ain't nothing like it.

[Ocho Cinco]

No. Oh, man, that happened.

[Chad Johnson]

Ain't no. I mean, when the last time we had a. I mean, we got to go back to when Bud fought Earl Spence Jr. Woo.

[Ocho Cinco]

That was nice. Yes, and that was nice.

[Chad Johnson]

I remember going. Going to see Tyson fight. Ain't nothing like a heavyweight now.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, no. Big time boy.

[Chad Johnson]

Tyson back in his prime. Everybody came out.

[Ocho Cinco]

The world stopped. You hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

But you better not go to the bathroom or get concession. Cause it was gonna be by the bride. You brought your ass back to your seat.

[Ocho Cinco]

You gonna miss the fight.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, you missed it. You just spent ten grand for nothing. Oh yeah, but I wanna see these guys fight. I think the chat want to see them fight too.

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The volume.

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