Nightcap Hour 1: Lamar REMOVED GAMES from Ravens locker room + Iso Joe TELLS THE TRUTH on NBA Gambling + 20 YEAR VET Mercedes Lewis joins NIGHTCAP

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1 (October 30, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this episode of Nightcap, Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson, and NBA All-Star "Iso" Joe Johnson break down current hot topics from both the NFL and NBA before welcoming special guest and NFL ironman Mercedes Lewis. Major highlights include Lamar Jackson’s leadership move in the Ravens’ locker room, candid truth-telling around NBA gambling, Joe Burrow and Bengals woes, and an in-depth, reflective interview with Mercedes Lewis as he embarks on his unprecedented 20th NFL season.

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Main Themes

• Leadership and Accountability in Professional Sports
• Locker Room Culture and Distractions
• Behind-the-Scenes of NBA & NFL Gambling
• Longevity and Resilience: Mercedes Lewis's 20-Year NFL Journey
• Transition, Sacrifice, and the Reality of Professional Athletes’ Lives
• Bantering, Competition, and Unfiltered Locker-Room Camaraderie

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lamar Jackson's Leadership: Removing Games from the Ravens Locker Room

[06:07–13:30]

• The Move: Lamar Jackson personally asked the Ravens staff to remove ping pong tables, games, and turn off TVs in the locker room.

• Reasoning: According to Lamar (Shannon quoting), it was about focus—he didn’t feel like it was a time for distractions with the team struggling.

  "I told Kaniko, our head equipment guy. Told him to take all the games and ping pong. Turn the TVs off. If we could have took the TVs out, they would have been out, too... We had to focus." – [Shannon Sharpe quoting Lamar, 06:52]

• Hosts’ Views:

  • Shannon Sharpe: Strongly supports it as a necessary privilege removed in hard times.

    “What you on the video game for? And you one in five?” – [Shannon Sharpe, 08:53] “That’s leadership. Sometimes you have to take measures that are unpopular.” – [Chad Johnson, 12:19]

  • Chad Johnson & Joe Johnson: Agree it’s a leadership move, though Chad pokes fun at whether these changes actually impact wins.
  • Mercedes Lewis: Agrees on focus but also suggests leadership decisions are nuanced.

• Locker Room Dynamics: Only a player of Lamar’s stature could pull this off without backlash.

  “Anybody else tried to pull that, oh man, they would have been talking tr–” – [Shannon Sharpe, 09:13]
  “Lamar is the leader. This is what you’re supposed to do.” – [Chad Johnson, 12:19]

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2. Does Removing Distractions Actually Work?

[10:05–13:30]

• Chad Johnson pushes: Does removing games actually affect winning? When the team was winning, the games were there too.

  “When they were winning, what were they doing? Playing ping pong. Did that go to them winning ball games?” – [Chad Johnson, 10:54] “What you do when you’re not out there had nothing to do with wins and losses. That’s mind games.” – [Joe Johnson, 11:12]

• Conclusion: All agree it’s more about perception and “mental reset” than actual impact on results.

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3. Inside Stories from the Locker Room: Gambling and Gaming

[28:24–31:59]

• Team Gambling Tales: Papa Shot, ping pong, cards—all for money (sometimes big money).

  “We’d come and put your per diem money down. Hey, you bet the workout check.” – [Chad Johnson, 29:09]

  • Joe Johnson recounts athletes betting thousands—even tens or hundreds of thousands—off planes in the NBA.

    “When I got to Houston with Harden, CP, PJ Tucker—they getting off the plane owing each other 140,000.” – [Joe Johnson, 37:02]

  • Shannon: Reminisces about big card games on the team, sometimes with Super Bowl tickets at stake.

• NBA Gambling Concerns:

  • The trio delves into how prop bets and inside info are problematic for leagues.

    “It’s the prop bets... The injury report... That’s what the NBA is trying to nip in the bud.” – [Chad Johnson, 31:38]

  • Iso Joe shares his real discomfort when friends called with point spreads during TBT.

    “My homeboy said: ‘They got you at over/under 18 points tomorrow.’ I hung up. … I don’t want to go into the game with no preconceived notion.” – [Joe Johnson, 32:21]

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4. Camaraderie and Competition: Banter, Bragging Rights, and Old School vs. New School

[72:05–85:00+]

• Pool, Fishing, and Hunting Stories: The hosts launch into hilarious and nostalgic banter about who’s the best at pool, fishing, and even who could make it hunting.

  “We gonna bowl, we gonna play pool, go fishing... Gonna stream it 24/7 for the old folks!” – [Shannon Sharpe, 76:09]

• Chad accuses Shannon of not knowing how to fish/hunt, and Shannon counters with wild stories.

  “You don’t know how to sit still in a tree stand... Be quiet!” – [Chad Johnson, 80:56]

• **Mercedes Lewis and Joe join in, making fun of each other’s skills and credibility, escalating into stories about shooting squirrels, BB guns, shotguns, and army sniper tales.

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5. Special Guest: Mercedes Lewis – Reflecting on a 20-Year NFL Career

[44:08–69:59]

Career Longevity and Emotional Journey

• Not Getting Picked Up for Camp (2025):
  • Mercedes shares his uncertainty: He wasn’t in camp for the first time in his career and had to deal with the mental challenge.

    “I didn’t get picked up for camp, didn’t do OTAs. This was the first time... So it was a mental. It was messing with me, because it's something I've been used to.” – [Mercedes Lewis, 44:11]

• Getting the Call from Denver:
  • The moment he got the offer, how quickly it all moved, and his gratitude for getting another shot.

Lead-up to 20 Seasons

• How Did He Make It So Long?

  • Thought 10 years would be great out of UCLA. Mentors (John Embry at UCLA, Fred Taylor in Jacksonville) and willingness to ‘get his nose dirty’ were pivotal.

    “He said, you want to play a long time in the league, you’re gonna have to learn how to get your nose dirty... And it starts right here.” – [Mercedes Lewis, 46:32]

• Routine and Adaptation:

  • Explained his off-season doesn't exist ("out of season, not off season")—he keeps training, blending football with a rigorous MMA regimen.

    “I’ve been training mixed martial arts for 15 years... I do that February to May, then hit the field at the end of May.” – [Mercedes Lewis, 58:22]

• Mentality and Role Acceptance:

  • Embraced “dirty work” as a blocking tight end, which he credits for his longevity and never taking high reception numbers for granted.

    “I went to Jacksonville, we were run, first play-action pass... But not like I should have. … Was I supposed to be drafted here?” – [Mercedes Lewis, 59:58]

  • Chad and Shannon argue this lack of stats actually contributed to how teams saw his reliability over time.

• Stats: There are only 13 NFL players who’ve played 20+ seasons, most of them kickers.

  "Now, Mercedes Lewis is on the list... and you played a position. Jackie Slater [OL] might have had it as tough. He had to bang every play for 20 years.” – [Chad Johnson, 61:17]

Retirement Plans and What’s Next

• “Is this it?”
  • “This is it. … If I’d said it after 19, I wouldn’t have felt right. … But yeah, this is the last one.” – [Mercedes Lewis, 53:39]
• Life Away from Football:
  • Embracing minimalism, more focused on family and travel, over owning real estate and material things.

    “I don’t need a whole bunch to find joy. Like, I’m happy inside, you know?” – [Mercedes Lewis, 66:22]

  • Staying close to family—especially his mother in California—remains a priority.
• Closing Thoughts:
  • Mercedes reflects on the “fluff” in today’s training camp versus the brutal old-school approach Shannon and Chad experienced.

    “It was different back then… You heard him say Oklahoma. They ain't doing no Oklahoma no more, Ocho.” – [Shannon Sharpe, 72:00]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “That’s leadership. Sometimes you have to take measures that are unpopular.” – Chad Johnson on Lamar Jackson’s decision [12:19]
• “I’ve been training mixed martial arts now for 15 years... whether it’s jiu jitsu, muay thai, wrestling, judo…” – Mercedes Lewis on his unique approach to staying healthy [58:22]
• “We’d come and put your per diem money down... bet the check... my check was $70,000!” – Shannon Sharpe on old-school gambling in NFL locker rooms [30:27]
• “When I got to Houston, playing with James Harden, CP, and PJ Tucker—they getting off the plane owing each other $140,000. I said, I ain’t playing with y’all.” – Joe Johnson recalling NBA gambling culture [37:02]
• “What you do when you’re not out there had nothing to do with wins and losses. That’s mind games.” – Joe Johnson [11:12]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 06:07–13:30 — Lamar Jackson’s leadership; removing distractions from Ravens locker room
• 28:24–32:00 — Locker room gambling and NBA gambling context
• 44:08–69:59 — Mercedes Lewis in-depth interview: 20-year NFL journey
• 72:05–85:00+ — Banter: Competition, hunting, fishing, and streaming antics

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Tone & Style

True to the Club Shay Shay spirit, the episode is conversational, deeply candid, generous with laughs, jabs, and nostalgia. The hosts combine firsthand storytelling and friendly rivalry with reverence for sports greatness and a willingness to “tell the truth”—especially about the often-hidden cultural aspects of pro sports.

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Summary

This Nightcap episode gives listeners a rare blend of deep sports insight, unvarnished truth-telling, behind-the-scenes stories, and the distinctive camaraderie of elite athletes. From locker room leadership and the psychology of “privilege” to the realities of gambling, athlete sacrifice, and the drive for longevity, the episode explores what it really means to succeed—and persist—at the highest level. Mercedes Lewis’s appearance is both reflective and inspiring; his personal journey becomes a lens for understanding the grit, routine, adaptation, and humility required to go two decades in the NFL trenches. Meanwhile, the abundant banter and contest-planning remind us why so many tune in just for the chemistry and comic timing.

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For the Listener

Whether you’re a fan seeking insight into team culture, fascinated by the psychology of athletes, or just in for wisecracks and outrageous stories, this episode delivers memorable moments and rare perspectives you won’t hear anywhere else.

Transcript

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[Mercedes Lewis]

Season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. That's a. That's a blessing.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know how long. Hold on, hold on. I don't think people understand. Hey, Joe, you know how long 20 years is for a tight end?

[Chad Johnson]

Well, it's never been done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not a quarterback.

[Chad Johnson]

Whitney Gonzo has the record at 17, so. Well, he has the record, but the, the previous record, I mean, those two guys played 17. And we understand how long Tony Gonzalez played and Jason Whitten, he surpassed that. So he's been at it for a minute. Congratulations to him. But we'll talk to him in a minute. Lamar Jackson confirmed he was the reason behind the Ravens removing the ping pong tables games from the team locker room. Let's take a listen to what Lamar had to say about this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I told Kaniko, our head equipment guy.

[Chad Johnson]

Told him to take all the games and ping pong. Turn the TVs off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If we could have took the TVs.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Out, they would have been out, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I appreciate Mr. Steve for putting that in there for us, you know, but yeah, we had to focus. I would say people don't take the.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Job serious, don't get me wrong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, like, I didn't feel like it.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Was the time for that.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, we got a lot of work. We got a lot of work to do. I don't know if you guys can see it, but we got a graphic up here. This is what the locker room looks like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably have next year summertime OTAs or something, but right now that's not the focus.

[Chad Johnson]

My bad. Yeah, Lamar had a little bit more to say, but here's the graphic of what the Ravens locker room look like without any gaming tables or any other. It looks Naked. It looks naked. Ocho. Yeah, look, I think, I think Marlon Humphrey kind of dimed him out to begin because I think Marlon was on, on a podcast and he said the two. Right, the two most important players, the two most popular players on the team. Best players on the team. Well, you kind of narrowed it down. You know, one of them's Lamar. And then if you go say Derrick Henry or Ray Roquan Smith, but we knew L. Jack was one of them. I said, you know what, I'm going to take the guesswork out of it. I'm going to take the suspicion out of it. I did it. I went to the training and said, look, blah, blah, blah. So for the song. And they got it done. Oo, you got a problem with this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, honestly, I don't have a problem with. They were 1 and 5, now they're 2 and 5. Listen, having games, video games and all the extra stuff, the TV's inside the locker room, that's a privilege. That's a privilege. And when you're losing the way they're losing right now, especially defensive, they playing horrible. All the extra stuff it needs to be gone. All the distractions, having fun. What you, what you on the video game for? And you one in five.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you on the video. What, what you on the video game for? And they, they, they throwing 300 plus yards on your defense, you can't tackle. You don't deserve to have the extra privileges that you get in a locker room. You all about business. You want to play the video game, wait till you get home. We want to watch tv. Wait till you get home. So I understand. And it had to take somebody like Lamar to do it. Cuz anybody else tried to pull that, oh man, they would have been talking tr. They would have been, man, you better.

[Chad Johnson]

Sit your ass down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. But listen, Lamar, Lamar is the only one that can pull that trigger, right? And ain't nobody gonna peep a goddamn sound. But it's the right thing to do. It's the right, it's the right thing to do.

[Chad Johnson]

Honestly, Joe. Hey, I agree, I agree, man. You know when you lose and that it magnifies everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everything.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey. You looking for any little thing in there, like, okay, get the damn ping pong tape out of there. The pool, you want, you want it all gone? You know what I mean? Because you know, those little distractions, you know, it could, it could add up in, in a big game or in practice, it can take your focus away. Cause look, you go to competing too hard on that you can't wait for practice to be over and you right back on it, you know what I mean? Hey, I. I agree with Lamar, man. Hey, get all that up out of here. We'll have fun at OTAs or something in the summertime or something. Right now we got to lock in, man. The rest of the season is very valuable and important for us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, listen. Hey, hey, Joe, I like what you say. Hey, let me tell you something. Taking them video games out, taking out the ping pong table in the pool table. Maybe not even having no music. You want to listen to music, Put your goddamn earphones on. But I can tell you one thing. Tomorrow night when they come down there to the Hard Rock, you hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They finna go home with another L. So moving all that furniture, rearranging all that furniture out there in the locker room ain't gonna mean nothing when them dolphin put, put. Built the ass tomorrow, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe, Joe, just for a second, Joe, I agree with everything you said, but. But, oh, I remember we had a conversation and you told me that ain't got nothing to do with winning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Chad Johnson]

We talked about it. About stuff that we do when you lose. Let me ask you a question, right? When they were winning, what were they doing? Were they playing ping pong? Were they playing PlayStation?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Playing ping pong? Playing.

[Chad Johnson]

So let me ask you a question. Did that go to them winning ball games?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, oh, but it didn't go to them, Joe. You heard what he said that, Joe. He said it didn't help them win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Listen, stay with me real quick, Stay with me real quick. Listen, when it comes, when it comes to teams, they seem, they think, if they seem to think this is what's best for us to win games, so be it. Honestly. Honestly, it had nothing to do with wins and losses. Unk. What you do when you're not there out there on the field had nothing to do with wins and losses. That's mind games, huh? That's mind game. Maybe if we remove this stuff in the locker room, maybe the outcome of other game is going to be difference. Ain't going to be no goddamn difference. The games are won on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday through walk through. That's it. What you doing in the locker room ain't got nothing to do with.

[Chad Johnson]

I just. I was just being a butt. But I agree with you guys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know, I know. Listen, listen.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you know how I am. Oo, wait till the book come out. When I. When they find out what All I did that they didn't know about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was.

[Chad Johnson]

That'S what you need to worry about. But I. I agree with it. Because the thing is, is like what? Like what you guys said is that I need to be. I need to be the focus. Because now you ain't got. Hey, man, let's play a game right here. Let's shoot pool. Let's play. Let's play S5, blah, blah, blah. Nah. Get your ass in your playbook.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what you need to do. Because all I know is that team doesn't matter who we play. Who the quarterback is, he. He looking like Patrick Mahomes when he play us. That's all I know. I don't know anything else. But the guy looks like Patrick Mahomes when he plays us. So something is not. Is not computing. You're right. All that stuff you want. You like shooting pool, either go to the billiard hall or put a pool table in your own damn house. You like PS5? Maybe that's the problem. You're paying too much. You playing your homeboy, your friends, or your former college when you take your ass home and you're not putting enough time on the iPad. I don't have any problem with this because Lamar, as the leader, this is what. This is leadership. This is what you're supposed to do. Sometimes it's just not about how well you play. Sometimes you have to take measures. That's unpopular. Now, I'm sure some guys don't like the. Hey, man, they ain't got nothing to do with why we lose it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. But what they gonna say? They gonna say something. Who gonna people sound in that locker room, Joe, when oo say, you know what, man, we don't need this. We don't need this no more. I meant eight. I mean eight. That's what I'm trying to say. Who, who, who going to say something tomorrow, man? Man, please.

[Chad Johnson]

No, absolutely. But that's the thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not the way. Not the way. Not the way they looking on defense.

[Chad Johnson]

You're right. You're right. Because like I said, look, I remember we losing the game. Hey, we. We didn't have lunch. Dan told. I ain't feeding you. Sorry. You know what? Go get your own lunch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you can get it. Oh, I'm just not paying for it. We just not paying for it. I ain't saying you couldn't eat. So you got an hour to get your ass to wherever you wanted, whatever you wanted. I mean, obviously, you know, we have fans and get Back, obviously, you're not going anywhere to sit. You know, sit down and eat, and you're not going to get anything heavy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? But.

[Chad Johnson]

But that's. That's the way it. That's the way it goes. I mean, when you losing. Hey, sitting on your helmet. They don't know I'm sitting on my helmet. What that got to do with why we lose? I've been. I was sitting on my helmet when he was winning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

The locker room was nasty when we was winning. We got to clean up. We do all. Whatever you like. Ocho, you said it very clearly. It's mentally. Maybe that's the re. Maybe all you want. Somebody like, damn, man, they took them games up out of there, man. We playing okay. What else can we remove?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I got a question. Huh? Hey, I got a question, Joe. Hey, chat for you. For those of you that are listening, what happened when you remove all that stuff and you still get whooped?

[Chad Johnson]

And we can live. We can live within results. Oh, yeah, but we. We know we ain't had no distractions coming into practice. We ain't got coming in that time about. Yeah, I'm gonna get that. We ain't got your money tucked up on the rail like. Like you at the juke joint.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, when you gamble, you put. Tuck the money up under the rail. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, look, then, you know, it gets so serious. I done came in there with my own pool sticky. I can't wait for today. You know what I'm saying? For real now. We all out of whack. We. We got a whole game plan we gotta think of, right? But you know what? I can honestly say I can only remember a handful of times of me actually. What. The only time. I can only remember that I actually watched television. Y' all know what it was? The O.J. trial. Oh, that was the only. That was the only time that I can remember actually watching, you know, and I wasn't, like, sitting down the whole hour watching it. Get my workout in, see what was going. You know, see what was going on. Like, let me go get, Take. Get my ass. Get my ass on this field. So that was really the only time. And then one of. But that was. That was like on a Tuesday. That was our off day. The World Trade Center. I remember walking in and I saw the building. Is that real? Right? You know, like. Nah, that ain't real. That ain't. That ain't even real. It didn't even seem real. So I remember walking in, talking to Bill Tessendorf who was our head trainer at the time. I said, tess, I just saw, like. Like the World Trade Centers, like, go. Is that like a movie? He's like, nah, Sharpie, that's. That's real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, really?

[Chad Johnson]

I said, what happened? It's like, I don't know. Look like somebody, you know, crashed into it. So, same day, I remember taking my dog. I took my dog over there, had a Makita at the time, and I let him run around while I went and worked out. He done slipped up under the damn fence and gone somewhere. Oh, man, now I got some. Cause I know the phone was racking. I was trying to call my sister. I always called my sister. On my way over there, the phone just busy. I was like, when is a cell phone busy? I try to call my homeboy Bucket, it's busy. I try to call Burns, it's busy. I'm like, what? Damn. So it didn't dawn on me. And then when I saw that, it didn't look real. And the next thing I know, I said, now I understand why, what's going on. But who watches? Who goes to. I don't know. I shouldn't say that. Who watches TV when they go to work? I don't. I don't watch TV this way, but I don't. I don't watch T. But I don't have a problem. That's what leadership should be. That's what Lamar should have done, and he shouldn't have. He should. Look, y' all know who did it. I mean, I'm surprised John Harbaugh didn't do it, but he didn't want to come off as like, oh, coach doing that, because. But when we were winning, he didn't take up. He didn't do, blah, blah, blah, X, Y, and Z. You know how it goes. I'm glad Lamar did that. I'm glad Lamar stepped up, showed the leadership that has been bestowed upon him, that he earned. He didn't deserve it. He earned that with his plate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

He's one of the tenure, senior tenure players that are there. If he can't say, take it out X, Y, and Z, well, who can?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, right. Listen, and one more thing before we go on to the next subject. I just. I just want to add, for the chat, Joe, I want to let you know, I know they took, you know. Well, Lamar took the right measures, you know, to make sure the team focuses and do what they need to do. Offensively, Lamar gonna take care of his business. But the defense ain't nothing to happen. Ain't nothing to happen. Listen, tomorrow, I'm going to the game tomorrow, okay? You hear me? Hey, two are finna throw for 300, you hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Hold on, hold on. What Lamar gonna throw for? Well behind my ass. What is Lamar Jackson going to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, Noah Lamar first game back, he might be a little rusty. He might be a real rusty. He'll throw for about, maybe about 210.

[Chad Johnson]

Man. Lamar gonna win play of the week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right, right right.

[Chad Johnson]

He went out there and had a hell of a game against the Falcons. And now you back on the bandwagon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm all for it. I never jumped off the bandwagon. Joe, when mature played bad. This is something that I had a problem with. Critiquing players and not really saying when they playing bad. I made excuses for them, Joe. I Ain't making no excuses for when you play bad. I'm gonna let you know and I'm gonna say it loud. I'm gonna say it proud. I. I'm a scream if I'm a screaming from the hill like Jack and Jill. You hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

So you got them beating. You got them beating the Ravens?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. I'm going to the game. It's at the Hard Rock, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

The Hard Rock bet the Ravens. That man ain't been to a game this year, and the team that he went there supporting won the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no. Excuse me. Come again?

[Chad Johnson]

When you went to the. When you went to the. The Bengals game, tell the people at home what happened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We won.

[Chad Johnson]

No, you didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We won the last game I went to.

[Chad Johnson]

What was the last game you went to?

[Shannon Sharpe]

When they played the Steelers.

[Chad Johnson]

No, you didn't go to that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I did go to that game. I was there.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. That sounds suspect to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Remember, I was in the. Remember I was in the hotel. I had to leave the game in the fourth quarter to come home.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I remember. You left the game in the fourth quarter, another game, and came home, too. But you had your tail between your legs on that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. But listen, listen, I don't mean to jump off topic. If Joe Burrow wasn't hurt, you know, the Bengals would be 6 and 2. We'll be 6 and 2.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, season. How many seasons have you said that since he's been in the league, you've used that. If Joe Burrow wasn't hurt, you've used that more than.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, wait a minute. What you want me to do about that? I can't. I can't. I'm not in control of him, you know, getting injured or being healthy. I'm just saying he was healthy full time. I'm telling you where we would be at.

[Chad Johnson]

But it's more. It's more probable than not. There's a greater probability that he gets hurt based on his tenure in the NFL than him not. Am I correct? Yes or no? Think about it. He missed basically his whole rookie season. Torn knee. He missed what last year, a year before last, would arrest. Now he's going to miss the better part of this season with a foot. With a toe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A toe.

[Chad Johnson]

So that's. This has kind of been his MO since he's been in the league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got you. I got you. But listen, get the injuries out the way early in your career. Get the Injuries out the way early in the career, and, you know, we probably. We'll probably win the super bowl next year.

[Chad Johnson]

How you gonna get the injuries out when it's that offensive line what got him hurt? What. What got him hurt his rookie year. Offensive line was terrible. What happened in the game? Tweaked the offensive line. His toe got tackled from. Flushed out of the pocket off his line. So, I mean, y' all got a new one coming in. I don't know about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know we. We don't. But everybody can't have the Matter of fact, everybody can't have the Philadelphia Eagles offensive lineup. Everybody can't have the goddamn.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all just don't need to have the Bad News Bears, okay? Just don't have the Bad News Bears or the replacement offensive line. If you don't have that, you'll be fine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But. But. But. But also. Let me say this. Hey, Joe. Let me say this, too. Also on. With.

[Chad Johnson]

With.

[Mercedes Lewis]

On.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe Burrow. Boy, you got to get the ball out your hand, baby. You have to get the ball out your hands, you know, waiting to scramble because you're very good at extending plays. We. We know. We know. You, you know, got a little Michael Vick, and you not as fast. You can maneuver the pocket. I say you're not. You got a little Vic in you when it comes.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me finish. Let me finish. I just said not as fast, but his ability to maneuver in the pocket and manipulate it and extend plays is second to none. But he don't got no speed.

[Chad Johnson]

That's all you talking about. Joe Burrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, Joe, he could extend and play like a mother, you know.

[Chad Johnson]

I know he can't. I like Joe. He a bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He hold on to the ball just.

[Chad Johnson]

A tad bit based on his offensive line, of course. He holds on to the ball too long, but you got to let the plays develop. And. And a lot of times he's thinking like, oh, yeah, we protected here, or you have a breakdown there. Somebody didn't slide the right way. Somebody didn't get over far enough. The back didn't do. Didn't do a good enough job of chipping on his way out. There's a lot of things that play into a sack. It's not always on the offensive line. It's not always on the quarterback. Sometimes it's a combination, and a lot of times it seems like they're taking turns lying doesn't do what it's supposed to. Joe doesn't get the ball out of his hand fast enough. Running back doesn't chip or do his job good enough. And so it just one after another, and it just. It's a. A snowball effect that gets larger and larger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just. Just a small example before we go on to the next topic again, I want to look. I want you to look at Joe Flacco. When Joe Flacco has played, he's played. He started three weeks. Look at him when he played against the Steelers. Got the ball at his hand. Yeah, right away, Joe got sacked one time. Joey gets sacked to the fourth quarter, waiting on a. A longer play to develop, which was going downfield. And that was the only way. That was the only reason T.J. watt was able to get back there. But outside of that, every time Joe get that ball, 1, 2, 3, boom, it's out of there quick. So even if the line is playing bad, it somewhat looks a little different with Joe Flacco back there because he's getting rid of the goddamn ball fast as hell with his decision making. Now, I'm not saying Joe Burrow can't do that. I'm just saying at times he needs to get rid of it very fast and get it out of season.

[Chad Johnson]

Check this out. Ocho and Joe. The Bears troll. The Ravens posted this video on social media of Bears players competing in games in the locker room and the facility.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are they playing Papa Shot?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, we had one of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You had a pop. Yeah, in a locker room.

[Chad Johnson]

Now they playing pink.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, they playing pink. They playing darts. Now they on the game. Yeah, we had a problem. Oh, Joe, that was money. That was money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, y' all were gambling up. Y' all were gambling on Papa Shot?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, man. Hey, we had. We had ping pong tournaments.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, we had ping pong back.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I'm talking about like a couple people play before practice. Couple people play after practice. Hey, look here. I know how I get. We come. Hey, you come and put your per diem money down. Oh, we bet money. So, like, we get that money per diem. Ocho, you put that thing down.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Every shoot something, two people, two people make it, it go back, right? You can have 10 people up there. If only one make it, you get all them per diems.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. I like that. I like that.

[Chad Johnson]

So we get, like. We get like, workout checks. So, you know, in otas, Ocho, you get a workout check. It's probably like 250, $300. So, right? I go upstairs, I get my check. I bet. Hey, bet the check because that's what everybody would do bet the check. Don't even look at it, Joe. Just bet the check. All right. You know, we shooting, okay? Like, man, we gotta go. We. Hey, we'll finish this up. Lead the checks right there in the locker room. So we come back, I make mine. Two dudes missed theirs. It was me and Burns. I think it was me and Burns and house. I think it's me. Burns, the house. But anyway, we were shooting. I opened it. Check it. Like 350. My check was $70,000. They had owed. They had. Oh, they had owed me from last year some money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay. So you got lucky.

[Chad Johnson]

I got lucky. You didn't know. I didn't know. Cause I didn't open the check. See, the thing is, Joe, you can't open it. You gotta shoot it blind. I don't know about that one. Oh, that's how we gotta do it, Joe. You gotta shoot that thing blind. Because, see, if you know what's in there, you ain't gonna do it. I want you. Hey, right, put. Hey, just put it on. Just put a. Just put the per diem right there. Put it right there. Y' all play cards, Joe? Y' all play cards? Yeah. What y' all play in between? Boo Ray? We. We play Blu Ray in between.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guts. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Ain't. Hey, ain't nothing nice playing them games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No space, no spades.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, it's hard. It's hard to play, really. We don't really play spade for money. We place a space for pride.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey. Oo.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

It might be a sensitive subject right now, but them boys love to gamble, man. Oh, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, hey, Joe, that's everywhere. Yeah, that's everywhere. I mean, obviously they're. I mean, they. They made it legal, which is. Which is kind of weird. How do you make it legal? And then all of a sudden you're surprised that people are actually gambling now. But you. You do know right from wrong. So, I mean, but you know what.

[Chad Johnson]

They'Re getting them on. They're gonna put. They're gonna fix it. So if you're a play, you can't bet on the props. It's the prop bets that's getting them. It's not the winner lose the game. It's over under the minutes, it's over under the shot attempts. It's all the. It's the. It's that. It's those kind of stuff. It's the injury report. Joe, man, you know. Hey, man, you know, Joe. Hi, Joe. Man, Joe wasn't even that shoot around. Joe ain't playing Today. Now, that information is going to come public at about three hours, but it's not public now, so they're getting a head start on the info. So that's. That's. That's what the NBA is trying to nip in the bud. They're trying to get like, oh, we. We've got to do a better job of. Of curtailing this. The injury report. That's why they make the injury reports public, Ocho. Because just imagine if they weren't public. And only a half, but only a handful of people know anyway, man, Listen, Ocho, in 2020, I played in the TBT. That's the. That's the. The basketball league for like $2 million. And I played on the team, and it was during COVID So they had us locked in this hotel in Ohio. So the night before the game, my homeboy who was here in Atlanta, he called me the night before the game. He said, hey, man, they. They got you. They got you. What you think? Over under 18 points for you tomorrow. I hung up. Listen, listen, listen. Don't call me with all that, you know what I mean? I don't know who on the other end and. Yeah, right. And I don't want. I don't want to go into the game with no preconceived notion that I gotta get 25 points. Just let me, right, you know, so I can. I can see where some of these dudes, homeboys hitting them and telling them, hey, man, be thinking about it, man, I ain't. Hey, man, I ain't practice all week, man. I ain't playing. They got that thing as questionable, bro. I ain't playing, man. He's right, right? But that gambling, right? That gambling. If you. You gotta gamble with people that you know. Cause gambling, I don't see a lot of fights break out about that money. Hey, yeah, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute. You heard the first thing you said, which is obviously a lie. You got the gamble with people, you know, because I didn't see some of the best of friends fall out. When it come to money, hell, I. I don't see family fall out.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, how about this money? How about people that. That's gonna pay, right? Cause, hey, you start playing, me and you both know one of them, that party, that party in between to get up 25, 50, a hundred thousand like that, like that. I've been. I've been in a pot that got to be 35, 000. We had a pot so high, we like, hey, man, just forget it. Hey, Everybody good? Hey, because ain't nobody want that. Cause I already know, boy, you lose a hundred thousand, how you gonna focus on the game? Hold on, Listen. The way you play, Ocho, let's just say we playing cards, okay? Ace come, you gotta call it high or low, and then the next card, right? So if I get an ace, I'm gonna say, hi. The next car come, let's just say it's a five. I say pot it. As long as the car comes in between that. Long as it comes. Six, king. I'm good. If it comes on the edges, which is another ace or another five, you got to double what's in the pot. So if the pot is 10,000, you gotta double it to 20,000. Now the pot's 30,000. You see Jordan going to the super in between them. Me and Burke, we all played. We have some good old time the party, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

I got to like, probably got like 8, 000. Then it got to like 10 burns the hell. I'm selling my cars. I said, hey, right? So he said, man, he said, oh, boy. He said, I love you. He said, but I can't go home and tell Michelle I lost this. It was. It was a king. It was a five. King, five. Yeah. I was like, damn. I said, what you want to do, homeboy? He said, man, I'm selling these cars. I said, don't worry about it. I got you covered. I said, I got it covered. I said, what we gonna do? We go. I said, if I. If we lose. If I lose. If we lose, I put the money right? If we win, I'll split it with you. I wouldn't do that with anybody else now, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right. What about me? You wouldn't do that.

[Chad Johnson]

You. First of all, your ass wasn't even in the league. You was in College in 98. Where were you at in 98?

[Shannon Sharpe]

98. Well, I was a junior in high school. No, I was a sophomore in a college.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, so it was a king and it was a five. I was like. I said, let's. Hey, homeboy, let's just pot it. Now the pot's like 10 if we get hit on the edge. If a king or a five come, Ocho, we gotta double the pot. Now if it comes a four or ace, we. We just have to match the pot, right? That thing came six. Oh, God. Didn't have enough money to put it up, so he had to put super bowl tickets up. Cuz we going to the super bowl, cuz you know how long it take you to get From Denver to Miami. So a lot of money changed hands.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe. I know, I know you got some good gambling stories. You ain't got to put no name on it, though, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, when. When I was playing here in Atlanta, me, Josh Smith, Mike Bibby, Big Jason Collins, like, we used to gamble, Ocho. And like, when you get off the plane, if you won seven or $8,000, that was a pretty good day, right? You know what I mean? Boy, when I got to Houston, playing with James Harden, CP And PJ Tucker, man, they getting off the plane owing each other 140,000. I said, I ain't playing with y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Chad Johnson]

Time out. I just used to watch. I used to watch. I ain't never used to play with them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, Joe, you not gonna say that like that, like it's normal. Oh, owing? How much?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. 140,000, 170,000, 80,000.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You talk about in Bitcoin or American dollar?

[Chad Johnson]

Well, no Bitcoin back then. Hey, I, I. Hey, I, I heard stories like, guys, you had to come to the. You had to come to the table with a hundred, one hundred fifty, two hundred thousand in cash just to sit at the table. What? And if you not gambling, you couldn't sit in. You're like, nah, bro, you got to go. Nah, I'm just here with such and such. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Yeah, Ochoka, look, you gonna come to the table with that little 2500. Trying to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you trick. Yeah, they ain't gonna let you know. That's gonna last you two rounds, homeboy. You're gonna be out of there. That's how most. That's how most people. That's how most big heavyweights gamble, is that you gotta come with X amount of dollars. You got to come with 50, 100, 200, quarter of a million dollars in cash. Just, just, just to get in and sit in the room. Cuz, you not fit to be no bystander. They don't need no cheerleader. They don't need none of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

But, but, but this all athletes, though. It ain't like no homeboys. It ain't none of that. This is all athletes, man. Oak, Oak love to gamble like that. Big. Yeah, oak tree. I know another guy that like to gamble like that. And talking about, yeah, you know, you know, we staying at such and such.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I.

[Chad Johnson]

They ain't got nothing to do with me. The man to do right here, he. I said, bro, I Said, you're not gonna get my house. I'm sorry, bro. I'm good. I'm good. I don't wanna. I don't wanna say, man, guess What? I took 50k. I took. No, no, no. Because he got that kind of money that every time you play, you nervous because you know you can't put him under the gun. You can't put him at risk. See, the whole thing is to put something. When you play with cash money and it's right there on the table, the whole thing is to put the guy at risk. You can't put him at risk. If you can't put it. If you can't. Yeah. If you can't put him at risk because he will cover it. All right, we got the forces shaping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The world's economies and financial markets can be hard to spot. Even though they are such a powerful.

[Chad Johnson]

Player in finance, you wouldn't really know that you are interacting with them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And even harder to understand, Donald Trump's.

[Chad Johnson]

Trade War 2.0 is only accelerating the process of de dollarization, which in a way is jargon for people turning away from the dollar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That is where the big take from Bloomberg podcast comes in. To connect the dots.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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Or wherever you get your podcasts. Toyota the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit toyota.com NFL now to learn more. Got our special guest joining us. He just signed with the Broncos. Playing in his 20th season. Played a grand total of 285 career games from play University of California at Los Angeles, AKA ucla. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. Mark Sadie Lewis.

[Mercedes Lewis]

What's up brother?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm good, man. How you doing, bro?

[Mercedes Lewis]

I'm doing well, man. Just everything happened so fast. It was like, Obviously, I played 19 last year. I didn't get picked up for camp, didn't do OTAs. This was the first time I hadn't been in camp. So it was a mental. It was messing with me mentally for a second, because it's something that I've been used to, and I'm one of those that. I love camp. I love building that gristle and getting ready for the season. So when I didn't get picked up, it was like, okay, you know, how do I want to go about this? And so I just was kind of more introspective about it and just kind of was in a state of allowing meaning, like, not resisting nor forcing what was meant for me. I come back from Joshua Tree. I go to a place where I recover at, get in the sauna. I get a call from a Denver number, and obviously, I didn't answer it because I didn't have it. I'm thinking it's Spam. I'm like, man, what is this? So the number calls back probably like, three minutes later. And I'm like, I still look at my phone, didn't answer it. And then the GM left a message like, yo, big dog, give me a call. This is George Payton, GM at the Broncos. Want to talk to you for a second. So I called him back, and literally right there, and this was Monday, he was like, yo, can you fly out here tonight? And I was like, mind you, I've never been in this situation before. Like, I've always been contracted. So it was just different feeling this, you know, feeling this. Right? So, yeah, I'm like, you know what? Yeah, I could fly out there. So I hopped on a flight like, around 8, got got to Denver, like, around 11:30 at night, sat on the tarmac for, like, 50 minutes, then went to the hotel. And then literally next day Tuesday, worked out, took my physical and signed on the spot, man. So it's. It's definitely a different experience.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you tell them, hell, yeah, you fly. You buy, I fly.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Come on, now.

[Chad Johnson]

Will I fly? Hell, yeah, you buy, I fly.

[Mercedes Lewis]

No doubt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Mercedes, was it ever the thought in your mind that you will be able to. For one, making it to the league is one thing. You want to play, you want to have a healthy career, you want to squeeze in as many years as you can, obviously, but did you ever think you'd get the year 20?

[Mercedes Lewis]

Man? I thought, you know, obviously, coming out of UCLA, that 10 was going to be a great career and.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Yeah.

[Mercedes Lewis]

You know, and it was a situation where I'm not sure you're familiar with John Embry. He was my tight end coach at ucla.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he was in camp with me my rookie year in 1990.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Okay, okay. So you know ambo. You know his.

[Chad Johnson]

I do.

[Mercedes Lewis]

His energy and just the type of person he is. So obviously Embo, you know, he coached Tony Gonzalez, George Kittle for a little while, remember Daniel Graham. So as far as, like, that, his resume is dipped in blood when it comes to, like, tight ends and how he's able to get across to those guys and, you know, 100%. And I remember, I would say he got to UCLA my sophomore year. They fired the tight end coach we had. He got to ucla. And the first conversation we had, he was like, look, I didn't come to UCLA to coach for ucla. He said, I came to UCLA to coach you. Gave me a whole rundown of, like, my family knew where I was from. I'm from the east side of Long Beach. My mom had me at 15 years old. I've been through just a whole bunch. So he had already done his homework, and that kind of, you know, lit a fire under me. And so right after that, that formed a connection, and just like that vibration that we had, and literally, he took me from. He said, look, this is where you are now. You got the ability to go through here. He was like, there's a lot of people that can catch the ball and run and look pretty. We know that you're. You're an athlete. Cool. We get it. You want to play a long time in the league, you're gonna have to learn how to get your nose dirty. And it starts right here. And so he literally took me from, you know, just being able to catch a pass and do nice things with it to, like, really being a dog and what it meant to being a dog. And so I learned how to compete under him. And so by the time I got to the league, this is my rookie year. I get drafted in 2006. Freddie T. Fred Taylor took me under his wing. And Fred Taylor, he called me Slim. Like, at that time, I was. I was six' six, like 260, but I didn't have the mass right, so he just always just called me slim. So one the first day of pads, we got the Oklahoma drill, right? So this is like my first Oklahoma drill in the NFL. We get three DNS. Freddie T's running behind me twice, and then Maurice Drew is running behind me. I pancaked the first two guys, moved the third guy out the way. Freddie T. Jumped to my Back kind of like wrestled me almost to the grass and was like, yo, you keep blocking like that, you're gonna be in the league for a long time. So, yeah, fast forward to when I signed my contract this morning. Freddie T. Text me and was like, you remember that conversation we had? I was like, bro, how could I ever forget that? That's something that I always have with me, and it's something that's inspired me this whole entire time. So I'm just grateful to, you know, he didn't have to take me under his wing. He played running back. It was. It's just been, it's been smooth, man. And I just take it one day at a time and, you know, just get my personal best or whatever it is I'm doing in that day. And I live with the results.

[Chad Johnson]

You, you, you mentioned Mercedes, but, bro, that's still a long time to get your body to go through the rigors. Look, we know that you don't, you know, situational now, but still, you got to come in there and it ain't Jacksonville where you got nice warm weather. You playing you in Chicago, bro. Outside, you got you having to go. And you were the Green Bay outside. So. So we get it. So what is the. So once you got past year, once you got past year 10, as you mentioned, I can get 10. Then you get to 15, because once you get to 10, you take it one year at a time.

[Mercedes Lewis]

100.

[Chad Johnson]

Once you got to 15, you had to be like, hold on, Gonzalez played 17. Whitten play 17. The way I feel right now, 17 is in the bag. Was it ever a realistic shot once you got past 15, that 20 would be into the play in the equation.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Bro, you, you just hit it on the nose. And like, this conversation is something that I have pretty often with people because they ask me, like, how did you, like, like, what in your mind made you think that you can just keep going and keep jumping up to Continue your career? 15 was literally that magic number. Once I got. Once I passed 10, I got to 15. And I was like, okay, I don't want to question it because I don't want to jinx myself, but I still feel really good. Right. And so I get to 15, I'm in green Bay. And literally Green Bay is like, well, we want to sign you to a two year deal. Because I was only doing one year deals, trying to just play it by ear.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Mercedes Lewis]

And like, at that time in Green Bay, obviously we had Jimmy Graham. He assigned a contract. He was there for a couple years and he ended up leaving and then I ended up being like the full time Y. Like, so I was the Y, which means like the do it all tight end for the listeners out there. And then we had obviously the pass catching tight end at that time, Robert, Tanya. So, yep, I was doing all the dirty work. Outside zone, power ISO, all that. Like, gotta set that edge.

[Chad Johnson]

Marced. You gotta set the edge.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Come on, man, I'm sifting. I was doing all that. And so they, I didn't expect them to offer me a two year deal. I thought it was going to be one year, one year. But when they offered me a two year deal, I, I felt like it was my responsibility to go out there and continue to give them what they know that I, that I'm about. And I signed a deal, didn't look back, got through 17. Still, still felt really good. A rod ends up leaving. Devonte ends up leaving. Cobb retires, Dave Bhattiari leaves. I'm like, okay, it's only me here. I know it's about to be my time to go too. So they hit me up like, hey, Sadie's like, you know, we're kind of changing the regime. Like, you know, you know, the, the, the target.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mercedes Lewis]

So I'm like, all right, like, no doubt, whatever. Like, you know, I'll figure it out. And then not too long after that, I would say, June, Chicago hit me up. And then we had had Luke Getzy, who was the quarterback coach with Green Bay and was familiar with, you know, how to use me as far as in, you know, plays and what I'm good at, and brought me to Chicago thinking that was going to be a one year deal. Played that out. Still played about 43% of the plays at 39 years old. So I'm still rolling. Then the next year bring me back. So that's two years. And then here we are now. It was just like once I got 18, I was like, I have to get 20. Got 19.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I gotta get, I got, I can't end on the odd number. I gotta get 20.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Like this is. I literally, it was like the capstone, like I 20 is like when I.

[Chad Johnson]

Wake up in the NFL, ain't a whole lot of players that's ever played 20 season. You get a, you get a Jackie Slater and you get a Tom Brady and you get a handful of guys. But maybe I don't think it's 20 guys. Maybe, maybe it's 20 guys of 25, 000 people. Men that's ever played this game. Daryl Green it ain't a whole lot of guys. So let me ask you this. Is this it? You trying for 21 or you done at 20? You stopping on a nice. A nice round, even number?

[Mercedes Lewis]

Okay, so. So this will be the first time I've ever said this, because I haven't, but this is it. Like, if I said that last year, like, if I said that after 19, I wouldn't have felt like I did in these months that I was not playing right. Like, bro, I would wake up sometime. Like, the season started. It was a few teams hit my agent up, but it was like, just. Is he still working out? Does he still want to play? Just a bunch of, like, fluff. It wasn't nothing serious. So I told my agent, Buzz Cook, I told him. I said, look, if it's not serious, like, don't hit me up, because it's messing with my head. Like, some days. Some days I wake up sharp and be like, right. I feel good. And then some days I wake up and I feel like I'm in a nightmare. Because I'm waking up, I'm watching ball there, and I'm in my mind. I'm like, there's not 64 tight ends better than me in this league. And I know I could be out there helping somebody with. Yeah. And, like, especially for what I do at this point, point of my career, Like, I'm the best at this, right? Like, just point of contact, setting the edge, rock setting and play pass like, you know how it is. Like, it's.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I take it we fill the thing up. Hey, we'll scoop it. Whatever you want. Whatever you want to do. Hey, if y' all want to put play, let me be Gilligan. I get on that island if I need to come on. And so, hey, hey.

[Mercedes Lewis]

And then. And that's kind of where I'm at. And, you know, today Sean Payton pulled me aside and was like, I've been watching you for the last eight years. Like, even when I was in Green Bay, the Saints kept trying to get me. When he was with the Saints, he was like, I just want you to know that I've been watching you for the last eight years. I know what you're about. Everybody talks about how you are as a person. Like, I get it, but you're not staying in this league for as long as you have just for being a great leader. You've been dominant. We need somebody like you. And so they made me feel valued. They made me feel welcome. And to be honest with you guys, like, today was the first time I felt, like, nervous because it was like, I'm 41. I didn't do camp. No OTAs. What's my reaction time regardless if I'm working out? Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, you ain't playing football.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Exactly, exactly. And I really questioned myself, like, the night before, going to sign my contract and then going to practice. Like, I'm in there and I'm like, you know, he's. They give it like, you know, they give me the playbook. All of that I'm looking through and I'm like, okay. Every hour that went by today, I felt more and more confident. Like, I get in there and it's just like all my teammates are like, you know, you know, just loving me up, bro. And I'm just like, damn. Like, this is where I'm supposed to be, you know? And it. And it feels good. Once I got on the field, bro, it was just like riding the bike. So I'm. I'm grateful for the moment. I've always been in. Gratitude. I lead with just gratitude, man. And I. Yeah, it's special, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe, you had a question. That's. What's up, man. Yeah, that's. I wanted to say, first off, Mercedes, man, congrats on 20 years, bro. That's a long time, especially in the NFL. What. What's the biggest difference? What would you say the biggest difference is from, like, year one to, like, year 20 now, whether it be mindset training, obviously. You know what would probably be the biggest difference?

[Mercedes Lewis]

I think the biggest difference for me, bro, is the time I had to form a routine. Because when I first got into the league. Right. Like those first three years, you're trying to figure out who you are. Yeah, right. Like, you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Mercedes Lewis]

You know, you're athletic. You know that, like, you can do some things, but you don't know if you can consistently get it done at that level. Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, absolutely.

[Mercedes Lewis]

You're playing against guys that got families that are not having it. And when I got to Jacksonville, Dogs in Jacksonville, like, I was raised with the Wolves in Jacksonville, you know what I mean? I feel like being in that environment made, like, molded me into who I am today. And I would say after year three, I started to form this routine how, like, my in season workout recovery does not change from my out of season workout and recovery. And. And mind you, I said out of season and not off season. I don't take it off. Right. Like I.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right.

[Mercedes Lewis]

It's maybe two and a half weeks of just letting my body heal and. And that means infrared and Cold tub. I'm still doing something to keep the blood flow, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Once it gets close to February, like right after Super Bowl. I've been training mixed martial arts now for 15 years. So whether it's jiu jitsu, muay Thai, wrestling, judo, whatever it is, I, I would do that from February all the way to May. I do not step on the field until the end of May, going into July. Once I hit the field in June, I get on the grass, straight ahead running, and then we do like 400 breakdowns on the track, and then that's really about it. I'll do like cone stuff, but not too many routes. Even in my prime when I was catching the ball, it wasn't a lot of routes and like putting that pressure on my knees. And then when I would get to camp, I would be peeking at the perfect time. And like, I really just feel like that regimen has paid me back right now because I still have my legs. I went to Jacksonville where were run, first play action, pass, right, like, yep. You know, Jimmy Smith was getting out of there. Kenan McCardell had just got out of there. It was like Freddie T, Maurice Drew, obviously we had Kyle Brady at tight end. I was backing him up as a, as a rookie, and then I ended up starting as a, as a second year guy. Exactly. And it was like, we ran the ball, bro, for at least four or five years straight. And I was still getting my numbers. You know, I went all pro my fifth year, Pro bowl, all of that. But not like I should have. Right. And I would always be like, damn, man. Like, was I supposed to get drafted here? Like, I came out of ucla, Mackie award winner, all the records, doing my thing. Like, I get to Jacksonville and I'm like, bro, I'm blocking ISO power, I'm doing. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not really being used. Like, they drafted me in the first round, so I didn't get it.

[Chad Johnson]

That's the best thing to happen for you. Marced. You didn't know it because had you put up those numbers early and now all of a sudden you in year 10, year 11, year 12, and they're not the same as they were in year three or four. Now all of a sudden they're gonna say you losing it. But because you didn't have 80, 90 catches in the beginning, they're like, he's insane.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

And what we're asking him to do hasn't changed for what he's been asked to do. The previous team, the previous 12 the previous 15, we looked it up, Mercedes. There have only been 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 players to play at least 20 years or more. Most of them, wow, as you could imagine, are kickers, no doubt. George Blander played 26 seasons, he was a quarterback, but his last couple of years, he was mainly a kicker. Morton Anderson, 25, kicker. Adam Military, 24, kicker. Tom Brady, 23, quarterback. John Carney, 23, kicker. Gary Anderson, kicker. Jeff Feegles, 21, punter. Earl Morrow played 21 as a quarterback. Jackie Slater, offensive lineman Darrell Green, cornerback. Vinny Testaverde, quarterback. Brett Favre, quarterback. Jason Hansen, kicker. And now Mercedes Lewis is on this list of guys that have played at least 20 seasons or more. And you played a position. Now, Jackie, I would say Jackie might have had. Cause Jackie had to bang every play for 20 years.

[Mercedes Lewis]

No doubt.

[Chad Johnson]

For 20 years. Sometimes you got to run. You got to run. You got to run routes. 20 years, it's still crazy. Let me ask you this. Are you married, Mercedes?

[Mercedes Lewis]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

Because I was going to say that's an awful long time to ask somebody like, hey, I need you to make these sacrifices for 20, I need you to pick up the kid. I need you to be the pta. I need you to be the recitals and the football games and all this and all that other stuff. So you understand the sacrifices that you make. But when you have a partner, you're also asking them to make said sacrifices 100 as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely. Mercedes, what combat sports you do again?

[Mercedes Lewis]

Jiu jitsu, Muay Thai, Jiu jitsu, a little bit of judo, some wrestling. I don't really.

[Chad Johnson]

I think that's you, right, Ocho? Hey, Ocho. Ready?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yo, say he won't do.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know, I got a black belt and all that.

[Chad Johnson]

You got a brown belt, too, to hold your pants up. Mercedes, I thank you. Hey, that's what we want right here, Mercedes. And oo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, well, you know, I got. I got. I got a black belt. I got a black belt in.

[Mercedes Lewis]

In jiu jitsu. I submit you pretty quick, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

What? Yeah, you ready?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, let me tell you something. Must say, when I'm. When I'm done with James Harris and I beat his ass. I mean, you, I'm you. You welcome. We, we. I mean, whatever you want to do, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Start somebody like at 140, say he's 6, 6, 2, 6 5. 270.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen to me, Mercedes, I'm 6 4, 2, 3 0. Man, what you.

[Chad Johnson]

What you talking about? So he. You not got to worry about his conditioning. He fight, he mma, he trains like that. So you know, his condition is through the roof.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, time out, time out, man. Stop playing with me. On sweet Jesus, man. I. I trained.

[Mercedes Lewis]

It's just. It's just different. It's just different, though. Oo. It's like if we was just straight boxing, potentially, like, you may be able to land a couple shots, but I'll still fight behind my jab and listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, hold on.

[Mercedes Lewis]

No, you see how. You see how calm I am right now?

[Chad Johnson]

How you gonna get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm calm right now.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me ask you a question, Ocho. How you gonna get up? You don't. You've never fought from your back. You don't know how to get up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you talking about, man? I could fight off my back foot, front foot.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I said your back, not your back, your back, your back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I'm. What you. Hey, I was. I was. I was a state champion grappler. Oh, what you talking about?

[Chad Johnson]

Your ground game, like?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, my ground game?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, his foot game like that. Running. Yeah.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Nah, it would be. It would be dope to. To roll with you, though, Ocho, if you ever want to roll, obviously.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me know. Let me know. Let me know. Hey, what's wrong with my goddamn camera?

[Chad Johnson]

Don't start me lying. It's your camera. We. We got. We got Mercedes talking about, you know, hey, if you want. If you want to bang a little bit. Hey, he ready. He got the gear and everything.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Oho. Logging off now, huh? It's all good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. Don't spare me. The only thing, only spare I know about is the tire, and it's in my trunk.

[Chad Johnson]

So let me ask you a question. So where. Where's home?

[Mercedes Lewis]

Mercedes, Sherman Oaks.

[Chad Johnson]

Now. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So you stayed in Cali?

[Mercedes Lewis]

Yeah, I'm in la. I bought my mom a house in Lakewood, which is about 30 minutes from long beach, where I grew up at. We spent some time in like, South Central. Abusive relationship, all that. You know how I go. And for me, I bought a house in the casino. And then obviously the fires happened. It got close to the crib. Thankfully, I was able to sell my house last year, and then now it's more. So just renting to be more cash free. Cause I'm not sure what I was going to do. Was I going to play a 20th year or potentially go to the front office or whatever? I just didn't know. And so right Now I got to hold that off for another two months or three months and figure that out, but that's what.

[Chad Johnson]

So you're looking at potentially thinking the Valley is probably going to be where you set drop anchor at?

[Mercedes Lewis]

I think so.

[Chad Johnson]

But it's going to be California, not necessarily the Valley, because we don't want to give out your information.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

But, you know, probably California. You're a Cali kid at heart, so that's probably where you go set up shop.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Yeah. Like, California is, you know, I, I, I feel like, like, me and my mom are, like, best friends, too. I don't know if I could just, you know, bounce on her like that and then be that far away from her. Yeah. And so, like, I would probably rather stay there, but I'm, I love to travel, too. So even if. Even if I, like, got something again in, in California, it would probably be, like, just a dope penthouse or something. Something. I don't have to worry about maintenance. I want the panoramic, and I could just pull up plug and play. And then I travel, because having a house and all that is upkeep. The mortgage, bro. I'm over it. I'm over paying mortgages and interest rates, and I'm just over it, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Yeah. So I just, you know, the older you get, like, for me, I've been more of a minimalist or minimalist, the older I've gotten. And so I realized that I don't need a whole bunch to find joy. Like, I'm happy inside, you know? So all the other things that, like. And mind you, playing in Jacksonville is not. It wasn't the real NFL experience. Right. Like, it's not. There's nothing in Jacksonville. Right?

[Chad Johnson]

No. You hear that, Duval? Come on.

[Mercedes Lewis]

I mean, when I got to Jacksonville, they robbing players. It was barely any restaurants. Dudes was getting stuck up at gas station. No, swear to God, dudes getting stuck up at gas stations. It was just not. I was like, what am I. What am I doing out here? Like, I was born in Long Beach. I saw all that in Long Beach. Went to ucla. That changed, right? I'm in Brentwood.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You, you between Brentwood and Beverly.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Get to Jacksonville. I'm like, okay, we going backwards now as far as, like, I'm living. Right? And so, yeah, man, at this point, I'm just like, the least that I have to worry about. Least overhead that I have to worry about. Can I just pack a bag and go travel and go see the world?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Playing ball. I've been playing Pop Warner since I was seven. Have not stopped. I'm 41 when I retire after this year. I just want to see the world, man, like, in a real way, you know? Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you know, at your size, you know, everybody gonna think you did something. So you go to far country, they gonna be poor. They, like, you did something 100. You ain't just big for no reason walking around.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Nah. And, I mean, I'm low key, too. Like, I've already checked into it, like, certain places, especially in South America. Like, I've been in Costa Rica for my birthday. But, like, I'm. I'm getting NFL to give me some security or something. Like, I'm not walking around, you know, dilly dallying and not expecting nothing to happen. So. Yeah, right.

[Chad Johnson]

You definitely got to be on. You got. Hey, you got to be on your best behavior. Watch your six at all times. And the best thing to do is say, hey, NFL A, hook it up for your boy.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Come on, man, set me up, please. Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, when you're at the Broncos, what. What number are you wearing?

[Mercedes Lewis]

I'm wearing 89.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. You got cars? I thought you was gonna get 84. I said, man, make the 84 look good one last time, man.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Nah, you best to ever do it, bro. And ain't no way. Ain't no way. And I. And I wouldn't even. I just wouldn't. Just out of just the respect. And it was crazy because you came up like, I'm in there, and they're like, what number do you want? I'm like, 89. And they're looking at the thing. I was like, yeah, there's no 89. And then I looked at Sean Payton. Sean Payton was like, yeah, the best tight end ever play here is 84. I said, yeah, he's one of the best ever playing this league, too. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, like.

[Mercedes Lewis]

And that's. That's all positions, so that's not even a question.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, I appreciate that, man. Hey, man, enjoy it, man. Hey, Broncos look good. They got a nice defense. Defense is in a sensational boat. Is playing really well. Cortland, Sutton, Mims, hey, they got guys that can go make plays that can run the football with Harvey and Dobbins. Hey, keep it going, man. And who knows? Might see you saying, fran, baby, hey.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Let'S do it, man. I appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me, bro. This is the first time, you know, me and Sharp actually had a conversation, so I was geeked for that. Oh, sure. We always be seeing each other out and Hollering at each other, Joe, was a pleasure, man. Respect your careers.

[Chad Johnson]

Whatever you want to do. Whatever. You call it a Mercedes. You call it, okay? And we. We'll get oo there. We have pick him up and bring him back.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Michelle, man, appreciate y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Love, man. Thank you.

[Chad Johnson]

Appreciate you, bro. Have a good one, man.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Thank you, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, hey, that's unbelievable, man. Hey, 20 years playing that position. I think, guys, I think I could. I know I could have got 15, but ain't no way in hell I could have got 20. Yeah, but why not? Why you say that? But, you know, because, Joe, we used to hit. We bang. We don't do that. That we doing now. Oh, so you better tell him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, it was different. It was different back then. It was different.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I came up in the 90s where we were. Shells were shoulder pads. It wasn't that something. The shells that you have up underneath your pants, that's what they call shells now. Yeah, we literally had on shoulder pads and shorts and that was a shell day. But you thought it up. You thought it. You had on full pads Wednesday and Thursday. You thudded up nine on seven. Was real. Team was like, hey, hey. They were. We were thumping training camp hell. It wasn't no walk through. It was hell. We putting people on the ground in training camp and, you know, we. We do what they do now, these joint practices, Ocho. But we was going overseas, so we would go overseas. Let's just say we went to Berlin. And so we would get there on like a Sunday. We scrimmage. We scrimmage in the. The Dolphins, you know, we go places. We scrimmage. We scrimmage in the 49ers. We scrimmage in Seattle when we go to Japan. But yeah, it was. Man, that's. It's a lot. Hey, it's. It's a lot of fluff going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I'm not saying. Look, I'm not saying the guys aren't talented because they're super talented, because, you know. No, look, there's this thing called evolution. Players get better. They're more equipped, they know more. The training is better, they eat better. They. The cold tubs and they got red light sonic and all those things. Those things are better now. But hey, we banged for real. For real. You heard him say Oklahoma. They ain't doing no Oklahoma no more, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I need to fix this camera, man. Hey, I, you know, I. I had to get it. I got a new computer. I got A new camera. Because obviously the last two shows I had to use the laptop camera because the USB wasn't recognizing the camera for me to use through the. The actual Sony. So, you know, I bought a new camera today. I bought a new laptop, Joe, and they gave me. And even with the new laptop, a new camera, it still wasn't recognizing the camera. So they gave me a cam link. Is that what it's called? Yeah, a cam link. So I got the cam link, you know, plugged into the. The port and it was able to recognize on zoom, but now I don't know what's going on. It keep it, keep going in and out. Little elgato thing.

[Chad Johnson]

Probably say since you ain't paying me my 5,900, it's gonna keep doing that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In my honey, but God damn.

[Chad Johnson]

Might well throw it in there. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I owe you too, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, come on. Why we gotta get to this every time?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying, Joe, I don't remember betting you. Joe, I don't remember. I don't remember. I know, I know, I know I owe Unc. But I told.

[Chad Johnson]

You just said. You just said on a couple shows ago that you. That you remember owing me a hundred dollars.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For real.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, and I told you the season has started back and everything, but I told you I ain't gonna hold that against you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, hold on, hold on, Joe. Let me. Let me check the books. Let me check the books. Let me check the books. When I check the books, I'm gonna make sure. I'm gonna get back to you, okay? As far as uncle concerned. Listen, Unc, man, listen. Uncle had to get that back in blood, man. Listen, listen, let me. Stay with me real quick. Joe. Hey, Joe, listen to me. Joe. Joe. I've been. I've been begging Unc from a funko. I've been begging Unc for my high school jersey. I've been begging for the awards. Hey, Joe. He ain't sent me nothing. Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

So he's saying you gotta hold his funds. Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not only that, Joe, I had. I had to go break in his house and steal two of my trophies. Hey, Joe. I had to go steal these. Joe, you hear me? Oh, man, I put on my shiesty. I put on my shiesty football jersey.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, man, that too. It look good. Hey, you. You might want to say your last name. Johnson. They make you. Come on, stop playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, you can sit there. Right over here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you see. Hey, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

See how y' all playing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, see how y' all Playing.

[Chad Johnson]

You want the red one or the white one, Joe? What?

[Mercedes Lewis]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I won number two in Atlanta. Yeah, perfect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, there y' all go. There y' all go.

[Chad Johnson]

That out to you tomorrow, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, listen. Hey, listen. It's one thing. It's one thing about it. Oh, Mary had a little lamb.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't maybe put that shisty on, hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, all right. Hey, you know what? Hey, I'm gonna have to put this pool stick on it. It is May. Hey, you were back in the day, the country, Joe. Joker go across your head with a pool stick. Gonna do right? I just got to go put a pool stick upside his head. Chat. I know y' all understand. Hey, that thing look brand new over there, man. You put some use to it. It been used. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Joe, he don't play no pool, man. How you gonna bend over? How you gonna bend over on the table? He ain't got no hips.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, man, he came to, Joe, you see that? I said, okay. He know. I see how he holding. He know. Hey, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, anybody. Anybody can hold a tennis racket.

[Chad Johnson]

They call me Georgia Slim. I beat fast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Magician.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anybody know how to hold a tennis racket? Anybody know how to hold a golf club? Don't mean they could go. Anybody know how to hold a police. Don't mean they could shoot.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, man, we got a stream. We got a stream of pool game with us. I don't know about you, Joe, but I beat that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, you got a pool stick that hasn't been used. You don't know how to play.

[Chad Johnson]

No, don't worry about what's been used. I use it on you. You remember how Grandma had them switches in the corner? They ain't been used either, until you act up and all of a sudden, she use them on you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see? Hey, hey, Joe. That's. That's. That's gonna be our show, Joe. When football season end, I got. I got a TVU backpack, right? I haven't been able to use it, so. You know how you got all the streamers, Kai, Snot and. Yeah, all them boys. So we don't have nothing for the old folks.

[Chad Johnson]

I see. I see. Don't worry about this, Joe. Humper day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe. Well, we. Listen. We gonna. We're gonna have old folks time. We're gonna be. We're gonna bowl, we gonna go fishing, we gonna play football.

[Chad Johnson]

I already know. You don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We gonna court everything.

[Chad Johnson]

You don't know how to set no hook. You don't know how to set no line. You don't know nothing. Come on about no fishing. You don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait a minute. That's how I know. Hey. That's how I know. He don't know about me. I'm from Miami. I used to catch Goliath grouper back in 83.

[Chad Johnson]

Catch what kind of grouper?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Goliath.

[Chad Johnson]

They put your ass in jail, you catch a Goliath Grouper.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on. I threw him back.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's what I said. You better throw his ass back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I threw him back.

[Chad Johnson]

You don't throw it back, they gonna throw your ass in jail. You can't keep your Goliath.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, but listen, listen, statement real quick, real quick. They used to take me. They used to take me, the fisherman they. They calling Captain Jack. Captain Jack used to take me deep sea fishing. We used to catch Goliath grouper.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Lord.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, when he couldn't bring it in, I used to.

[Chad Johnson]

I used to get in the. Actually go fishing for Goliath grouper. They actually, like, just bite. So what were you actually recording by accident?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Recording by accident. He was like £630.

[Chad Johnson]

So what you. What were you actually fishing for, Snapper? Were you fishing for tuna? Branzino, what were you actually fishing for?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tuna.

[Mercedes Lewis]

This boy here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We were fishing for tuna.

[Chad Johnson]

All right, I tell you what, I'll oblige you. We'll go. We'll go deep sea fishing. We go shore fishing. We go whatever. We go. We go bass fishing. We can go crappie fishing. We go sheep head fishing, whatever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait a minute. Let's do the hardest one. Let's do the hardest one. Let's go spitfishing spear fishing. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. I'm a nomad. I can hold my breath by six minutes.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Spit. Let's go spitfish.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm telling. What? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey. I'm a free guy.

[Chad Johnson]

Look, we go catch. We can go catch perch. We can catch bluegill. We can. We can go fish, whatever. I'm not going hunting with you. First of all, I'm gonna need you to get six months of your gun training before I go hunt with you. Cause you're not gonna shoot me in my ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, no, no, I ain't gonna shoot you.

[Chad Johnson]

Hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know how to. Hey, hey, stay with me. Now, I know how to work a pistol. You hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

First of all, who going hunting with a pistol? What the hell you hunt for What? You hunt what? Oh, hey, hold on. Are we taking a high powered rifle. 30, 30. 30 06, 3, 08. Something like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got my switch. I don't need all that.

[Chad Johnson]

Ain't nobody going no damn switching no damn. But see what I'm trying to talk about? Chat. You see what I'm saying? Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe, he tripping. Let me show you how I'm hunting.

[Chad Johnson]

You gonna be going to the club. I'm going to the woods. I'm trying to. We gonna kill rat. A whitetail. We gonna get. We gonna kill hogs or something. He up there talking about some. Or we go quail. I don't care. But I need him to get some training because I'm not going nowhere with no gun. With Ocho. And he ain't never shot a gun a day in the damn life. He ain't finished shooting me in my ass. Hey, listen, me and the homies, we used to go paintball and. We used to go paintball and we. We divide up in teams, be like five over 10. Then we split up out in the woods and they come back and say, man, I can't be on this dude team. This dude just shot me in my face. Exactly. He going hunting. He. Man talking about he going hunting with a pistol. Who the hell with a pistol? Oh, there you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe. Hey. The animals ain't even gonna see me coming, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, they ain't gonna see me coming, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho, do you know how to get in the tree stand?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, do I know how to get in the tree stand? But, hey, I had a treehouse. I built a tree house back in. Joe, can you had a tree house when I was 13.

[Chad Johnson]

This man don't know how to. This man don't know how to stand in no tree stand. He don't know how to sit still. He. First of all, be quiet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, wait a minute. Carson Palmer. I went with Carson and Jordan Palmer. They took me. They took me deer hunting. I was in the tree stand for seven hours. I had to douse myself with people.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, don't piss. Oh, excuse me. But anyway, Ocho Joe, he gonna go out there with Creed on and all the animals go smell his ass from a mile away. Hell, no. I can go nowhere with you. He done got on. No, no, no. He don't know how to stay down. He don't know how to stay up. Oh, I'm not. No, I'm a chill.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe. Everything. Everything he talk about. I done did, Joe. I done did. I just. I just. It's not something that I'm that I'm. That I'm excited about. But I've. I've done everything one Joe. I've done everything once. All the hunting, all that fish and all that deal.

[Chad Johnson]

You gotta stay down when you know. You know how to stay downwind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You ain't got no choice but to stay downwind. Because if you don't stay down, when they gonna know you there? They got the. Hey, listen, them animals out there got the greatest sense of smell of all.

[Chad Johnson]

That's why I going with you, cuz. You going out there with cologne on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't going to wear no cologne, uncle. I ain't even showered in three days.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, he don't know how to wear no camouflage. He out there with a red Cristiano Ronaldo jersey and tell my dad where the animals at, huh? They smell it. They see your ass with that big old red jersey on. That would have F that. He don't know how to wear no camouflage, man. I ain't fooling on your back. He don't know how to dress, man. He ain't got no gear, boy. Listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I got.

[Mercedes Lewis]

I got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got some camouflage.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. That'll be a sight to see, boy. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why we gonna. We gonna stream it. We're gonna stream it 24 7.

[Chad Johnson]

I bet when I know how to hunt. If we go on squirrel hunt, we go rabbit hunting, we going quail hunting. First of all, Ocho, you ain't never shot no gun. You never shot no animal on the move.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, Time out. I didn't hit squirrels back in the day. I done hit raccoons and opossums down here.

[Chad Johnson]

What you was shooting with that BB gun, that Pelly gun?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who, me?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, I had a. A 64.

[Chad Johnson]

A 64? What the hell is that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, that's what I'm talking about. That's how I know you ain't no shooter. First of all, you ain't know what a 64 is. Yeah, first of all, that's what we carry. Hey, that's what we carry down here at the crib.

[Chad Johnson]

No, first of all, you shoot a squirrel, you first of all use a rifle, man. Cause it's a small animal. You don't want to mess up the meat.

[Mercedes Lewis]

Shoot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you something. Hey, Joe, anytime you shoot a squirrel, you gotta set an example.

[Chad Johnson]

What you said for you want to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Eat the squirrel, for the rest of the squirrels. And I'm not the One to play with. Don't come right here with that bull jab. Come right here. Hey, you kill an ant with a sled?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't got to worry about no.

[Chad Johnson]

But what you're trying to do because you're gonna eat the squirrel, Ocho, if you shoot him with a shotgun, you're gonna mess. You're gonna mess that. What ain't gonna be nothing there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you want to eat it? I'm shooting the squirrel to set an example for the rest of the squirrels. Not to come over here messing with the mangoes in the tree.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't care. The squirrels come. First of all, oh, we going out. We ain't shooting no city squirrels. I don't care nothing about that. First of all, you go to jail. I come from the city.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're not eating the squirrels. Yeah, we're not eating the squirrels in the city. You eat the squirrels.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what I'm saying. That's what we. You can't hunt in the city.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but I'm saying I. I mean, I can adapt.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh?

[Mercedes Lewis]

That's what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what life is about. It's about adapting. So I can adapt to what you like to do. If I got to be in the woods, I know how to act.

[Chad Johnson]

Have you ever shot a shotgun before? A 12 gauge 41020 gauge. Have you ever shot a high powered rifle? 30 06, 3030 308.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me tell you, before. Before football, Uncle, I was in the field. You hear me? Hey, hey, Joe. Unc don't know how, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would like that, Joe. On sweet Jesus.

[Chad Johnson]

I was like that. I'm telling you, you like. I ain't play you like the Y ends out here, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, Joe, I'm not proud of that lifestyle. I used to live back in 87.

[Chad Johnson]

But see, first of all, the Wyatt that's. I mean, shooting somebody upon. It's not like they shooting somebody from a distance. You not been to walk. You're not going to shoot an animal as close as somebody shooting a human being. You do realize it like three y' all like 10ft, less than 25 yards from each other. You shooting an animal from distance, Ocho, you do know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do know I was. I was in the Marines, right? You do know I was in the marines, right?

[Mercedes Lewis]

Do you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you do know? I was a sniper, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You was a sniper, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I hit a target for 420ft, Joe. 420ft at the bottle top. The bottle top off a Coke bottle.

[Chad Johnson]

You aim like. No, that man ain't shooting, hitting Nothing over no 100 yards. That's fact. Hey, Joe, 400ft. He might not hit a person from 100 yards away, let alone a damn bottle top.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I laugh for you before I lie to you, Joe. Hey, I knocked a bottle top off a Coke bottle from 420ft, and I.

[Chad Johnson]

Only got knowing how hard it is to hit an object from that far away, that small. Let me ask you a question. Take your glasses off. You know, take your glasses off. Let me see how you shoot. Take your glasses off, homie. Put the gun up. Okay, you got the gun. How you shooting? Yeah, yeah. Oh, hell. That man got a slingshot. This man got a slingshot. Joe. Hey, Joe, this man got a slingshot. Second of all, you shoot with that distance, you got both eyes open. Ocho, you not shoot from no one. I. I thought this man got a slingshot joke. This man be thinking, hey, he must be shooting Goliath.

[Mercedes Lewis]

And he.

[Chad Johnson]

David.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, I ain't gonna lie, okay, Ocho. Boy, that'll be some must see tv. Boy. I'm telling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm telling you.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. I'm not gonna, like, oh, I don't think you can hit Nathania out there. I don't think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey, listen, that's. That's what I like people. That's what I like people to think. I can't hit that. I can't hit this. But then they get hit. It's like, oh, he really like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Oo you. If you were to, like, try to shoot somebody, because you got to understand the distance in which you are. But I'm talking about an animal. I'm talking about a deer. I'm talking about a hog. I'm talking about a. Up in a tree. I'm talking about a quail. Because here's the thing. Let's just say we take dogs out. So the dog's gonna start tripping, is gonna start creeping up now. They're gonna put. They're gonna freeze and now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Unc, I used to have. I used to have pointers. I used to have pointers. I live in the city.

[Chad Johnson]

Chad, y' all believe Ocho can shoot? I mean, look at that. Look at that. Ocho. The way he aiming and shooting that slingshot. He not about to hit nothing, all right? I'm telling you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I'm.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I'm uncle. I'm gonna surprise you right there.

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