Nightcap Hour 1: Lane Kiffin’s DECISION: LSU or Florida?! + Arch Manning BIG PERFORMANCE + Diego Pavia SHINES in win over Kentucky + Notre Dame HANGS 70 on Syracuse

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 (Nov 23, 2025)

Lane Kiffin’s DECISION: LSU or Florida?! + Arch Manning BIG PERFORMANCE + Diego Pavia SHINES in Win Over Kentucky + Notre Dame HANGS 70 on Syracuse

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap Hour on Club Shay Shay, hosted by NFL Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe, dives into the chaos and drama of college and NFL football. From the never-ending Cleveland Browns quarterback woes to Lane Kiffin’s looming coaching decision, Jamar Chase’s suspension, and Tennessee Titans' collapse, Shannon and the crew—Joe and Ocho—mix sharp analysis, banter, and personal stories for a high-energy breakdown of the week in football.

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Key Topics & Timestamps

1. Cleveland Browns’ Quarterback Curse

• [02:30 – 05:58]
  The hosts unpack the alarming stat: Since rejoining the NFL in 1999, no Cleveland Browns quarterback has won their first career start (0–17), and the franchise’s instability at QB is dissected.
  • Quote (Joe, 02:30):
    “The Browns quarterbacks are 0, 17 in their first career starts since the team rejoined the NFL. This goes back to 1999. Let that sink in.”
  • Quote (Ocho, 03:42):
    “Maybe just organizational bad luck… still in search of one that they can call their franchise quarterback… That’s why they were so eager to do what they did with Deshaun Watson.”

Root Causes

• Too many different quarterbacks, coaches, and offensive coordinators year-over-year prevents any continuity.
• Joe:
  “You can't cheat chemistry and continuity, man.” [05:33]

2. Opportunity for Shador

• [05:58 – 12:25]
  Browns’ new QB Shador gets his first NFL start—Ocho frames this as a potential turning point. The challenge: facing the Raiders, with matchups, preparation, and Ocho’s tough-love expectations.
  • “If you go out there and it up, you know, all excuses out the window. You had a week to prepare. You had a week to get acclimated.” (Ocho, 06:34)

Keys for Success

• Scheme to protect against elite pass rusher (#98, Maxx Crosby)
• Build chemistry with receivers: “He gets an opportunity…to understand how they get in and out of breaks.” (Joe, 07:10)
• Gain confidence with first-team reps.

Potential Challenges

• O-line struggles; concern that defender like Myles Garrett could dominate

Predictions and Pressure

• Hosts avoid jinxing with stat predictions but believe game plan will be tailored to Shador’s strengths.
• Quote (Ocho, 13:16):
  “Once that young bull get in the rhythm and get any kind of confidence…shh…”

3. First-Start Memories

• [14:20 – 19:05]
  Joe, Ocho, and Unc recall their own rookie debuts in the NFL and NBA, highlighting nerves, surprise success, and how early confidence can set a career’s trajectory.
  • “As a rookie, man, you play so hard…cause I never wanted coach to have a reason to take me out the game.” (Joe, 25:00)
  • “Once you got confidence, it's a wrap.” (Ocho, 24:23)

4. Shador, NFL Viewership, and Streaming Dilemmas

• [29:19 – 32:31]
  The crew debates which game—Browns vs. Raiders or Eagles vs. Cowboys—will draw more viewers. Ocho and Joe predict Browns-Raiders due to curiosity about Shador’s debut.
  • Complaints about fragmentation in game access: “You gotta download eight apps. You sure do.” (Joe, 32:13)

5. Sports Betting & Modern NFL Fandom

• [32:31 – 35:07]
  The huge role of fantasy football and sports betting in driving NFL viewership is discussed, with stories of hitting and missing on prop bets and lottery numbers.
  • “Sometimes you don’t even care about the game. I just want to see CD get six catches.” (Joe, 33:36)

6. Jamar Chase Spitting Incident and Suspension

• [35:23 – 43:02]
  News breaks that Bengals WR Jamar Chase is suspended for one game for allegedly spitting on Jalen Ramsey, with financial ramifications. The hosts express disappointment, but note Chase’s usual mild demeanor and argue this won’t define his legacy.
  • “I don’t believe this moment should define Jamar Chase… the best apology is changed behavior.” (Joe, 42:41)
  • “The problem he calls is on the field; fuck as hell. That’s it.” (Ocho, 43:34)

7. Triple Crowns: NFL Receiving & Horse Racing

• [44:08 – 46:19]
  Comparing winning an NFL receiving Triple Crown (like Jamar Chase) to winning baseball and horse racing’s Triple Crowns.
  • “[Triple Crown] doesn’t happen often… You got to have the most catches, yards and touchdowns versus everybody, not just the NFC, but AFC as well.” (Joe, 44:38)

8. Kentucky Derby, Daytona 500 & Bucket-List Sporting Events

• [46:22 – 49:45]
  The crew swaps stories about attending iconic sporting events and debate the best ways to experience them (suites vs. stands).
  • “When you go to the Daytona 500, do not let them put you in a suite. You need to sit in the stand so you can get the feel.” (Ocho, 48:02)

9. Ocho’s Daughter, Horses, and Miami Life

• [50:23 – 52:45]
  Ocho reveals his daughter’s love of horses, shopping around for a (reasonably priced) horse as a holiday gift, and contrasts his Miami neighborhood’s country vibes to common perceptions.
  • “When you think Miami, you think South Beach. No, all the nice stuff. But I’m out there in…ain’t nothing out there but horses and stables.” (Ocho, 52:16)

10. Jets Bench Justin Fields: End of an Era?

• [52:45 – 56:01]
  The Jets bench Justin Fields for Tyrod Taylor after a lackluster season—sparking a discussion about the revolving door of failed quarterbacks in New York.
  • “It puts the Jets back in the same position that they've been in for a very long time. Since Joe Namath—in search of a quarterback.” (Ocho, 53:22)

Tyrod Taylor

• Veteran Taylor’s redeeming qualities and tricky matchup against the Ravens discussed.

11. Titans, Team Frustration & Leadership

• [56:58 – 59:16]
  Titans DT Jeffrey Simmons’ fiery press conference about the team’s inability to play complimentary football is aired and analyzed.
  • Quote (Simmons, 57:47):
    “I'm tired of sugarcoating… We need to be better… tired of losing.”
  • Ocho breaks down the importance of offensive and defensive balance:
    “There has to be some type of balance on both sides…Don't go three and out 30 goddamn three times.” (Ocho, 58:08)

12. NFL Teams with Back-to-Back #1 Picks & Rebuilding Pain

• [59:06 – 62:44]
  A look at struggling franchises, the difficulty of rebuilding, and the emotional toll of losing seasons.
  • “That's where you got to have real strong leadership. Because when one side is pulling their weight and the other side ain't, frustration start to bubble.” (Joe, 62:06)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Maybe just organizational bad luck… still in search of one that they can call their franchise quarterback.”
  — Ocho [03:42]

• “You can't cheat chemistry and continuity, man.”
  — Joe [05:33]

• “Once you got confidence, it's a wrap, it's a rap from that point on.”
  — Ocho [24:23]

• “I don’t believe this moment should define Jamar Chase… the best apology is changed behavior.”
  — Joe [42:41]

• “There has to be some type of balance on both sides…Don't go three and out 30 goddamn three times.”
  — Ocho [58:08]

• [On Shador] “He knows this is his moment and I feel like he gonna step up and shine.”
  — Joe [11:49]

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Recurring Themes & Tone

• Upbeat, candid locker-room realism: The hosts are unfiltered, supportive but quick to call out poor play or organizational dysfunction.
• Nostalgia & personal connection: Frequent flashbacks to their own playing days and the “little things” that matter in sports.
• Franchise dysfunction: Many segments return to the theme of systemic instability (in Cleveland, the Jets, the Titans).
• Fan perspective & betting culture: The conversation frames sports not only as players but as bettors and spectators, reflecting modern NFL viewership habits.

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Summary

This Nightcap Hour delivers all the heat of late-season football, from NFL and college coach dramas to player missteps and the grind of losing teams. Shannon Sharpe and crew blend playful banter, sharp football analysis, personal memories, and side stories about everything from cell phones to the Kentucky Derby—always keeping it real, unfiltered, and full of heart.

If you missed the show, you got the flavor: the Browns are still cursed, Shador's a must-watch, the Jets are resetting (again), and leadership matters as much as talent—even when hope is in short supply.

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Transcript

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[Joe]

Hello, it's your favorite sports funk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're gonna make OO cry. The Browns quarterback. Wow. The Browns quarterbacks are 0, 17 and their first career starts since the team rejoined the NFL. This goes back to 1999. Let that sink in. A quarterback has never won their first NFL start in Cleveland going back to 1999. So basically that's 27 years.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's. That's crazy work.

[Joe]

Look at, look at these names. From Tim Couch to Spurgeon win. Tom Brady. Still mad about that. Spurgeon win. Luke McCown, Charlie Fry, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Brandon Wheaton, Thad Lewis, Johnny Manziel, Connor shaw, Cody Kessler, DeShawn Kaiser, Kevin Hogan, Baker Mayfield, Dorian Thompson, Robinson and Dylan Gabriel.

[Ocho]

Hey, that.

[Joe]

That, that's crazy. Oh, hey, I think, hey, that's why.

[Ocho]

Maybe it's just. Maybe they just have bad luck in general. Maybe just organizational bad luck because to, to not have had a quarterback and to have, I mean they've had some success, but it was short lived. It was short lived that they're still in search of one that they can call their franchise quarterback. And that's why they were so, so eager to do what they did with Deshaun Watson. Because look at what they had to deal with for so long. This is what they've had to deal with for so long. That's why they, they were willing to throw whatever it was at Deshaun Watson because he understood the success that he had before. You know, those issues arose. And even after that rose, we still see the problem because we know what we getting.

[Joe]

You see the problem. Dojo and Ocho. Look at, look at the years. 99 they had a, they had what had a starter. 2000 they had a different starter. 04, a different starter. 05, a different starter. 06, a different starter. 08, a different. You see a reoccurring theme, Ocho? Yeah, man. Joe. You see the reoccurring theme? Yeah. No continuity. Yeah. You ain't just finna keep trying quarterbacks out there year after year and think you gonna win. Look at that. Think about it. 12 different quarterback, 14 different quarterback. 14 different quarterback. I mean, some of these in the same season. 16 Cody Kessler, 17 DeShawn Kaiser, 17 Kevin Hogan, 18 Baker Mayfield.

[Ocho]

Hey, also not crazy. And you know what else too, Joe? And un. Not only different quarterbacks, different head coaches, different officer coordinators, different plays. Having to continuously learn something New or learn a new system and not getting, like UNC said, any continuity, you know, as. As offense, this is what happens. This is what happens. It's always something new. So no one's ever to get acclimated and comfortable to one thing. And this is what it will always look like. Turmoil.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, I agree. You. You can't cheat chemistry and continuity, man. You can't cheat that. You know what I mean? If you're coming in every year with a different quarterback or a different oc, a different head coach. I mean, different system. Yeah, it's. It's a different system. So it's hard to catch rhythm and time and you know, that. That stuff takes a while, but I can see why they know why Ain't no quarterback. No one, no game one. That's crazy.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Well, I know one thing. Unc Shador, he gets a chance to start. This is the opportunity he's been waiting on. You know, there's no. There's no more excuse.

[Joe]

And he couldn't pick the better team to start against.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Listen, you have a chance to make history. You have a chance to make history and. And change the narrative, you know, and if things go well. Yeah, talk gonna be good. If things don't go well, we gonna let it be known. We gonna be. I'm. Especially me. I've gotten really good at this, Uncle Joe. I've gotten really good at being critical when things. When people. When people aren't playing well.

[Joe]

Yeah, we have. We. You got. We gotta. We got to talk about what we see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm not sugarcoating. Well, if you go out there. If you go out there and it up, you know, all excuses out the window. You had a week to prepare. You had a week to get acclimated.

[Joe]

With the offense, and you got. And you playing against the Raiders.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

That's just block 98 if y' all make a mistake. Block 98?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, matter of fact, you can. You could double and ch. You can scheme him all game. You could scheme a way to stop 98 all game. Chip him, double him, do whatever you need to do to give Shador time to be able to do what he does best. Throw the ball. Shouldn't be no goddamn excuses because, boy.

[Joe]

They throw him in against the Ravens. Them boy fighting for their lives over there. Well, I think the thing is. And plus he gets an opportunity. I think the biggest thing Joe Noo, he gives us an opportunity to work with those guys so he'll understand how they get in and out of breaks. He'll understand, you know, the, the, the. The tempo and the speed in which they run their routes. Because that's something that you can't. You need to be in there to see. Because one guy, he might takes a while. He might not get his head around. Ocho was a guy that got his head around real quick.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

So, you know, hey, I could put this ball out there before he come out his break. I know it soon. Ocho snapping his head around. Yes, sir. Other guys like, bro, the ball will hit you inside your damn head if you don't get your head around. Now you got to get in and out of those breaks. And I thought he threw the ball with some time. Yeah, he missed some throws. There was a couple of shallow crosses that he probably should have took, but he's a guy that wants to push the ball down the field. Their problem was they were unwilling to take chances and Gabriel was unwilling to take chances and push the ball down the field. It's hard for you to methodically. 3 yards here, 2 yards there, 5 yards here, 5 yards, 1 yard. It's hard to methodically go down the field and win games without at some point in time taking a chance to put the ball down the field. It's just. It's just hard to just do that. Every single down in and down out. They got to have some consistency. Obviously, they can't fall behind and take the new and take the running game completely away. But as long as they can keep the game, I'm able to run some. I can play action off of that. Ocho, give him some stuff where I get down flat. Hey, I get a flat route, I get an over route, I get a comeback, you know, give him stuff like that. Stuff that's going to allow him to get the ball out of his hands real quick at times. And there are other times that you're going to have to call plays specifically so he can push the ball down the field. Right. And I think they'll have some success. Look, what's it called? Might have another four or five sack game. Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett. That offensive line, did you see the office line? You see what the Cowboys do? The Cowboys ain't got two players combined that's good as Miles Garrett, let alone one.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you right.

[Joe]

And he ate. So I mean, Quinny Williams had a sack and a half. Odiggy Zula had two. I mean, Kenny cl. Everybody, everybody was getting in on action. Yeah, Kenny, I can just imagine.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know what? And if. If you think about it, un. As good as the. The defense is. This just might be the game. This just might be the game where that, where that. That 017 losing streak for quarterback starting in their first time. It might be snap the other. There's a good chance if he protects the ball and knowing the defense, the defense will get the ball back for him many of times on Sunday. It's a good chance. Hey, hey.

[Joe]

The defense should create some great field position for it.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe]

Because Gino is prime Gino lately. I mean, Gino is really high up on turning the ball over. Now, I don't know if he's leading the league in obsession, but he damn close put it like this. I don't know if he leading the room, Ocho, but he at the table where the guy that's leading an interception. Gino at the table having a conversation with him. You know, I'm right behind you. I'm probably gonna tie you up this week, so don't get too comfortable having that lead. Yeah, Shador just needs to be Shador. Like I said, get the ball out of your hands and don't take. Listen, Shador, I understand, like, you know, you looking to make the big play, but it's okay to throw the ball out of bounds. You're not going to outrun. You weren't blessed with your dad's speed. He weren't so that belly and back. You're not going to outrun these DNS. You're not, you're not. All you're going to do, if you're in field goal range, you're going to take your team out of field goal range. Make it manageable. Let it. If you take a sack, take a sack on second down. Oo now you put yourself further behind the sticks on third downs. They need to stay in front of the sticks and. But that's the thing that you want like young quarterbacks, Joe. You want them to stay in front of the sticks. You want it second and five, second and six. You wanted third and one to three, third at the bare maximum. Third and five, you start getting third, eight to 10, 12, 13. You asking for trouble? Yeah, asking for trouble. I believe in him, man. I think he gonna do. I think he gonna do pretty well this weekend considering, you know, with him having a week with the ones, right, the number ones. He hadn't done that all year, so. And I think he just know. He's just a young, confident dude, bro. I feel like he. He knows this is his moment and I feel like he gonna step up and shine.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

He waited. He Waited a long time, what, 12 weeks to get his opportunity. It didn't seem like it was gonna come.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But you know, hey, now the opportunity is here. Yeah. My brother said, hey, man, I ain't getting no run, man. They ain't give. It's. Hey, John Elway gonna call your number now.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Just make sure when he call your number, you pick the phone up.

[Ocho]

You ready?

[Joe]

You go.

[Ocho]

You ready?

[Joe]

Go. Okay. It took him 12 weeks for him to call his line, call his number. Shadora, answer the phone. Yeah, Answer the phone.

[Ocho]

That's gonna be a good one.

[Joe]

Shador spoke about getting first team reps. I'm truly excited for that, knowing that I have a piece of the offense to say so and how things fit my eye in place and. And the players exactly where they need to be. Seeing how that come in and out of route, seeing the structure of the old lineman, seeing their set, just having a feeling. I'm more of a field type of a person, so that's how I learned. That's how I do everything. I'm not just a. I'm a watcher. It's just going to happen. No, I got to be out there, feel it. I got to move around. I like so many details that it takes for me to feel my best and play my best. I'm doing everything in my power, and this team's doing everything in their power to. To help me get prepared. Yeah. Oo.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You, you. What, what you think the stat. What you think his stats gonna be?

[Ocho]

You know what? I, I, I, I don't want to say. I don't want to jinx it. I don't want to jinx it.

[Joe]

I just know you don't want to jinx it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I don't want to jinx it. I just know that Sasky understands what Shador strengths are going to be. He gonna. He gonna understand what Shador does well. So the game plan going to that game is going to be dedicated and geared towards what he's able to do. Well, for one that's getting the ball down the goddamn field, having a healthy balance of being able to run the ball. So play action works as well. When they do want to throw.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Ocho]

And make sure they do. They cannot under any circumstances, be one dimensional. They can't be one dimensional. So a healthy balance of the run, a healthy balance of the pass, and once that young bull get in the rhythm and get any kind of confidence. Joe, man. Shh.

[Joe]

I think, I think that comes with the prep, you know, throughout the week.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know Especially with the ones getting that. Getting that under your belt. That's going to create a lot of confidence for the young boy, man. Yeah. You know, going into the game, and I think that's going to help him, Uncle. No, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And the play goal, the play call is going to look completely different because you got a quarterback that can do something different. That. Yeah, for sure gonna look completely different.

[Joe]

Yeah. Ocho, you remember. Joe, you remember your first start? Ocho, what you remember about your first start?

[Ocho]

San Diego Chargers. San Diego Chargers. In. In San Diego, obviously, when they had the baseball field. Rodney. Had.

[Joe]

Rodney, yeah.

[Ocho]

Yep. Rodney Harrison Jr. Seal. Ryan McNeil, who. Who went to the. Mike, Went to, um. Played defensive back.

[Joe]

Yeah. Went to the, uh. Yep.

[Ocho]

I scored my first touchdown on Ryan McNeil in the corner, the end zone. And the scar is still there because I landed on the. On. I don't. I don't know if it was third base or a home plate. And skinned up infield. Yeah, infield and skinned up. My whole. My whole arm is still there. It's still there. That's. That's how deep. That's how deep that cherry was. Yeah, that was dope. That was my first. That was my first start.

[Joe]

Joe, you remember your first start? Yeah, my first start was. Obviously, it was my rookie year. It was second game of the season, Uncle Ocho. I was playing behind Eric Williams, who was a small forward for the Boston Celtics at the time. Yeah, well, he had. He injured his knee in the first game, so. Second game of the season, coach was like, we're gonna start you at the two. It was against the Milwaukee Bucks with Ray Allen, Sam Cassell, big dog. Oh, man, I came out there and had a time. You hear me? I put about 23, okay? Yeah. Young rookie. I want my 20 years old out there, man. Out there getting to it. You hear me?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You drop a little 20 for little easy 20 piece on them. What? Hey, look. See, all you need, especially when you're young like that is. Is. Is to see those type of performances, just to let you know. Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

I can do it right here.

[Joe]

I can do this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And next thing you know, boy, you be putting on a show for real.

[Ocho]

I like it, man.

[Joe]

I just. I just kept saying, man, man, they need to put me in. They need to put me. I'll be saying, oh, Joe, man, he put me in. I could make some plays. I could make some plays.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Lo and behold, they put you in. Ready to play the Chiefs? We getting ready to play the Chiefs. Hey, the Chiefs got Albert Lewis. They got Kevin Ross. They got Daron Cherry.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They got Martin Bayless. They got Neil Smith, Derek Thomas.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

Big Joe Phillips. Oh, man. They got Percy Snow. Yeah. I say, Dan Salamore. Oo. Yeah. I say. I say, put me in. Not against them. They got. They got, like, the number one, number two defensive football. So I'm like, yeah, we go. We gonna put you. We gonna. We're gonna start you and we're gonna put you in. I said, oh, okay. I said, so, you know, I'm like, so, what I'm gonna do? So they say, hey, want you to line up outside. Yeah. And we get into the. We get into, like, five inside, the five of the inside. We gonna throw you a fade. I like, Abba Lewis went to the Pro Bowl. Kevin Ross went to the Pro Bowl. So you mean to tell me y' all gonna put a rookie in and say, go run a fade on one of them? Yeah, yeah. Just jump up over the top of it. Y' all say that like, that's easy. Like. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hold on. What happen?

[Joe]

I ain't know no better. I was like, oh. Oh, Joe. So I. Hey, I told my brother, but your boy go get the game. They gotta play for your boy. What it called? Hey, they say jump ball. Jump ball. You know what I'm saying? Don't. Yeah. Okay, Joe. I get out there, they call it rock. Cause he has. He was compact, but he was strong. He got his hands on you. You call hell getting off him. Yeah. But anyway, they didn't. They didn't expect me to shake him like I did.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Because they thought it was going to be physical and. So just throw a jump ball, Joe. How about I beat him off the ball clean? I said, okay, he gonna lay it on the top. I would catch that. Ah, got him. Yeah, he back. Showed it. O Joe.

[Ocho]

Oh.

[Joe]

So I really had to jump up over the top of. To get it. Did you get it? I got it. Oh, you caught it. I got it. I caught it. Yeah. Hey, hey. I walk into. Oh. Oh, Joe. I walk into the line. I said, lord, if you help me catch this ball, you ain't gotta let me catch no more. My whole career, I don't make promise. Hey, hey, listen. Hey, hey. Cause ain't nothing. I caught it, though. I caught it. I caught it, Ocho. Yeah. And from that, that gave me the confidence. Because I beat a Pro Bowler. Yes. For my very first touchdown. So that gave me the confidence that I belong.

[Doug]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

Yeah, and I'm like. And I remember getting back and I remember going to the side because everybody, everybody came like, man, make a good job. Good day. That's where they make a play. And seven John told me, say, see, that's like, you. You can do that. I can do that. Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, I am. Yeah, I can do that. Yeah, that's me. Wow. I don't know why y' all surprised. I'm surprised too. Hey, I tried to play it cool. Yeah. Hey, I was so good. It's. Hey, get in there for. They throw me a short cross. Guy hit me in the back. I fumble it. I know, I know. I can't have no prosperity. I was gonna be able to have no prosperity, but then they put me back in. They put me back in. Say, hey, you just gotta hold on to the ball. They go, it's gonna happen quick.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, I run now. I run a goalball against cover, too. Yeah, man, I'm talking, like, soon as the ball hit my hands, you got. Hit me in the back. Oh, I held on to it, though.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

I held on to it, though.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay.

[Joe]

And threw a. Yeah, that was. That was like, man, I. I really. I really. And. And come to find out, I go back and listen to the. The TV version of it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And they. And the. The announcer said, coach Reeves is really high on this kid. Think this kid has a lot of potential. Yeah. Say, he didn't tell me that. Oh, I got potential. Okay.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

Yeah.

[Announcer]

Okay.

[Joe]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, one thing. Hey, Joe. I mean, Joe and Unc and those in the chat that have played sports, One thing about it, when you're not sure yourself, you know, and even if you are confident and you go out there and you perform well and whatever it is that you do, whatever. Whatever your respective craft may be, and you. You make a play or you do something good, and then you. You do it again, and you start to build that confidence. Once you got confidence, it's a wrap, it's a rap from that point on, and you just stack them one on top of another. And at some point, it just becomes. It becomes natural, it becomes consistent.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. Hey, look, as a rookie, man, you play so hard, bro. I'm talking about so hard. Cause listen, I just remember being out there on the court thinking, like, man, man, I'm out here with. Playing against Michael Jordan, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter. I'm playing with Antoine Walker, Paul Pierce. Like, I remember being in so much of awe that I was like, I'm telling y', all, bro, I couldn't really sleep as a rookie. Like, I used to be so geek for the moment. Like, I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. So you just wanted to play hard as crap? Cause I never wanted coach to have a reason to take me out the game. I don't care what it was. I was out there playing hard as. I don't know, trying to get as many deflections as I can. Hands everywhere. I ain't lying.

[Ocho]

That's funny.

[Joe]

Hey, it's just like when you see. Man, I remember the first time we played in Denver was a preseason game. We played the 49ers. Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, John, all them just. I'm like, damn. I'm really on the field. I'm really in the NFL.

[Doug]

That's them.

[Joe]

That's Jerry. I'm looking at Jerry like, Yeah, that Ron and L. Yeah. Like, I caught a touchdown in the preseason Ocho and then hit the hammer on him.

[Ocho]

Hold on. You were dancing in the preseason.

[Doug]

Boy.

[Joe]

Look here, I'm from an hbcu. I just caught a touchdown on the defending super bowl championship. Hey, I was going crazy. Yeah, man, I was, man. I was. And it was televised. It was a Monday night game. It was televised. Oh, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

No, they saw me. Everybody in Savannah State, they. Why? No, they watching my hometown Glennville. They watch it. I already know, man. That's. Man, I told y'. All. I know. Sharp, man. I told y'. All. Sharp like that, man. I mean, I was so happy.

[Announcer]

My.

[Joe]

Cell phone bill, probably 700. Cause, you know, back then, cell phone bill, they. They charge you about a minute. It was like $3aminute, Joe.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

It was like three, four dollars a minute. I mean, a phone bill.

[Ocho]

Hey, quick high.

[Joe]

That had that big old brick, too. I don't know why I had a brick, bro. I was a seventh round draft pick, like a 64,000. I got a cell phone bill.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, the motorola. The Motorola 8 something I know you talk about.

[Joe]

Yeah, that big brick. Yeah, they had the one that you had to. You had the pouch you had to carry. You had to carry like a pouch with it.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

That you carry on your person. You could. Yeah. And then they came with the portable. What's up, Joe? What was it? Was it. Was it free on the weekends? Could you call? That came later. At first it wasn't like that. You had to pay. And it was all like, if you go out of the area. It was Roman charge.

[Ocho]

Roman charges.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, man. The wrong charges, man.

[Ocho]

That baby, it'd be crazy.

[Joe]

I ain't no.

[Ocho]

Hey, let me tell you.

[Joe]

I didn't know nothing about the Roman chart. I just. Hey, they didn't explain it to you back then. They don't explain it to you now. That. This is what you get. And if you go over your data, you got to pay extra. They didn't explain it. Phone. This is what it costs. Blah, blah, blah. I ain't know about Roman. I ain't know. If you go out of thing. Roman was extra like $6. You get a call, I'm big balling Ocho. I'm taking my phone on the road. Yeah, you got money? What?

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, I forgot. I forgot. I forgot. What service provider. Yeah, I forgot what service provider I was with Joe and Unc. But I understood.

[Joe]

I forgot what I was with too.

[Ocho]

I. I had him explain to me about the minutes. And they said, we, if. If you use a certain amount of minutes and you hold on to it, you don't use your phone that much this month, the minutes gonna roll over and.

[Joe]

And they roll over, roll over to the next month. I say, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

So I'm gonna make sure I don't go over a certain amount of minutes. So I got a little bit extra going to the next month.

[Doug]

Joe.

[Ocho]

What? Hey, there was some days back then, boy.

[Joe]

Oh, them some days it don't work like that. You better burn through the minute so quick. Quick, man. What? You burn through the minute so quick. And then once they brought that weekend that after. Well, after seven o'. Clock.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And weekend free. Hey, I call. Hey, I call y' all at 705. Hey, you get no call during the day on the phone.

[Ocho]

On the phone all night long.

[Joe]

Hey, I call you when it's free. And then the weekend. Oh, you blurring that thing up. Hey, today get hot on the side of your. Oh, yeah, you got.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Hold on. And Joe. Hey, Joe don't have no girlfriend, though. On the weekend, y' all be on the phone. You be on the phone all day, all night.

[Joe]

Hold on.

[Ocho]

You wake up, the phone's sitting on your chest. Hello?

[Doug]

Are you.

[Joe]

You still there?

[Ocho]

Yeah, boy. Hey, it was some days. Hey, Joe, I know you did.

[Joe]

Come on now.

[Ocho]

Hey, on the phone all night long. Ain't don't be talking about nothing.

[Joe]

Ain't talking about nothing.

[Ocho]

Six, seven hours straight, man.

[Joe]

They made the phone. This phone got smaller and they had a little clip that you have them on your. On your side like that Startech. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

And the Sidekick, too. Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, man. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, them some good memories.

[Joe]

Let me ask you this, Joe and Ocho, which game do you think will have the most views? Browns Raiders or Eagles? Cowboys, Browns Raiders.

[Ocho]

Probably the Browns Raiders. I mean, there's a lot of people.

[Joe]

Man, it's a lot of people looking forward to seeing Shador play.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they are Brown.

[Joe]

It's in the early window. So they're not going head to head. They're not really going head to head because the. The Fox. The Fox game, the Cowboys, Eagles, I.

[Ocho]

Think, if I'm not mistaken, is that 425.

[Joe]

425, right. And so what you call was that. That 105 window?

[Ocho]

Yeah, so all. All.

[Joe]

All the Cowboys, man. Hey, did you see all those cowboy fans Monday night at that stadium? O. Did you see all those cowboy fans? I flew out. We flew out. Jordan and I flew out on Tuesday morning.

[Ocho]

Uhhuh.

[Joe]

Joe Ocho, I was like, hold on. They fans weren't going to Dallas. They flying to Atlanta. So I can just imagine the people going back to Dallas. I can imagine the people going elsewhere. Cause there was so many cowboy fans in that. In that airport. So many cowboy fans. I'm talking about cowboy hats, cowboy boots, that jersey CD jersey. I'm like, oh, my goodness. Yeah, people traveling, man.

[Ocho]

They travel.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, the Steelers, man, they love the Cowboys. Hey, the Steelers, they're both in the lake. Oh, actually, they both. They moved them. The Colts chief is in the early window, so the Colts chief is the one o' clock game. And now the. The Browns Raiders and the Cowboys Eagle are both in the same. In the same 425 window. Oh, it's gonna be interesting. Yeah, I still, I still think the Browns and Raiders gonna have the most views. And the way they do that. See, you can't get what you call them like, like sometimes you can have. They have. Okay, you can watch this game. This game, this game, this game. They're not gonna do it with these two games.

[Ocho]

You gotta pick one.

[Joe]

You gotta pick one. Hey, look, why it's so hard to watch the game now, man? You got to download eight apps. You sure do. Yeah. God, guess what, Joe. Hey, guess what? When that new contract come up, you're gonna have to download some more. Yeah.

[Ocho]

But that's how they get their money.

[Joe]

Netflix gonna want a package. That's how they get it. That, that's how these franchise. You see all these franchises, how they skyrocket in prices. I mean, a Broncos owner just, he, he just bought the Broncos for four and a half million. Now they were 6.8 billion. In five, six years, they've increased $2.3 billion. The Cowboys worth what, 11, 12, 13 billion. Jerry bought it for 103, 540 million. Hey, that's why. Because the revenue there's not. Look, there are a lot of sports. They, there's baseball, there's basketball. But don't nothing move the needle in North America. Like, like NFL football. NFL. Love some football. Especially two reasons, fantasy and sports betting. Cause you watch it intently. Are they gonna cover Ocho and then now the prop bets. Man, sometimes you don't even care about the game. I just want to see a CD get six catches. I didn't want to see a CD get set by a yard. I want to see what Chase, man. Hey, that's why I had. That's what I care about. I don't care. All that other stuff, I try to get these props. Hey, look, Uncle Oo, that's why I have to stop betting. I can't watch the game in peace because I got, I got my. I'm trying to hit. I'm like, man. And look, it seemed like when you watching it intensely like that, right? You ain't never gonna hit. But boy let you mess around, make a bed and end up falling asleep or something, boy, be right on the number. Every time I had to stop watching. That's how they do when you play. When you play the cash three of the cat. Hey, I know you happy. Happy about what? I know you happy. I know you know, your birthday came. I said, what, what birthday that was. My sister called me, come on. Yeah, I know you had probably had it. I said, had what? Your birthday. I said, huh, my birthday hit 0626, cash 4. You know what I'm saying? Don't you had it straight in, straight box. Yeah, a little cool. A little cool. 12, 500. 12, 500. I hit. Yeah. Did the cash three. My aunt's birthday, 7 11. Yeah, I played it, I had it 10 times straight. It came. That's 5,000. They tried to run it back past me, Joe, the next day because I played it that evening on Sunday and I played it again, broke up. So you know what? Y' all think y' all sleep, y' all gonna try to run it back again. Hey, guess what? They came, brought it right back. Brought it right back, Joe. And guess what? I was sitting on it again. Okay, another 5,000. Yeah, Joe, they can't get about.

[Ocho]

Okay. Matter of fact, you know what? I'mma do that now. You just gave me an idea. You know, I'm going play my grandma and my mama birthdays. I'm going to play my grandma and my mama birthdays. Probably play, you know, maybe do, do the year they were born. Yeah, I'm going to go play.

[Joe]

I don't, that's, no, that's normally what, yeah, that's normally what I do. You play your birth. If you playing it, you know, you can play it straight, combo, straight box. I played, I played it, I played it straight. I had it two times straight and one time combo, combo, back combo. Probably cost you $2 because it's extra. Because now anyway it come, those numbers come, it could come 6, 6, 2 0. It could come 6, 6, 0 2. Any combination and you'll get, you know, half of what you normally would get. So. Oh yeah, I, I, I'll hit it. I hit a lick on it. Oo, Jamar Chase. We had this conversation last night. Jamar Chase, what's the suspended one game. The one game suspension will cost him over half a million dollars. $448,333 in a game check and 58,824 in an active roster bonus. Chase plans to appeal and argue this one game suspension, claiming that if it was going to spin on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spit.

[Doug]

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[Joe]

And Doug here we have the Limu Emu.

[Doug]

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[Joe]

Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.

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[Joe]

His face and not on the man's jersey. The ground. Ocho. Oh, yo, that's not. Come on real. I mean, come on, Chase.

[Ocho]

He didn't even talk to the media, huh?

[Joe]

Hello. That's what in Rapaport said is that he said if he was going to spit on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spinning his face and not on the jersey. The ground.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I don't think he said that because he declined to talk to media. He declined to talk to everybody today, obviously, you know, once you get out of watching film on Mondays. He declined to talk.

[Joe]

I guess his team put that out. But anyway, I don't know how, I don't know. But first of all, you said you didn't spit. So whether you were spitting on the ground or you would have did X, Y and Z, you said you didn't spit. That's what you said. You said that after the game. Yeah, now the, all that Ocho, you know, they shoot everything, man. You know they shoot everything in 4K and you could actually see it. Yeah, yeah, you could. You can see pimples on an ant booty from the moon. That's how good the cameras are, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Chase.

[Joe]

Absolutely appeal it. But I, me, I, I just think you should, you know, call rams and say, bro, I'm sorry, my motions got the best of me and leave and, and, and, and because this one incident, this is not you. I don't believe this is you. I'm surprised that we actually have Ocho and I'm having this conversation and you're the topic of the conversation because you're ensnared in this. I wouldn't have believed it if you, you would have been the very last person they said a receiver. I probably. There are some other names I might have. Would have went to, but I wouldn't have been. I, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have put that, I wouldn't have put that on you.

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe]

So I hope, I hope that's what report in Rappaport said. He said his team said or he said. I don't believe it. I'm going to say. Let's just say. But for the sake of. But you did spit on him. Whether you would have. What you would have done. You spit on the man and it's going to cost you. But you'll learn from it. I don't believe this is the type of person that you are. We've all done things that we're, we're not. It's not our finest moment.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And don't. I don't think this moment should define Jamar Chase. They're going to be, they're going to be a lot of other moments that we can look back and define Jamar. Jamar Chase with. This is not going to be your defining moment. But the, the, the best, the best apology oo is change behavior. Don't let something like this happen again and we gonna be good, bro.

[Ocho]

The funny thing about it, when we talk about James, when we talk about change behavior players, I'm not just speaking on Jamar Chase in general to change behavior most of the time, you know, he gonna make you forget about it on the field.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Gonna make you forget about it on the field. And we never had problems out of Chase off the field anyway.

[Joe]

No, you don't never have problems from.

[Ocho]

So when, when you, when you think of a hypothetical if this scenario or this situation never happened and you just thought of some players that, that, that it would come from. It wouldn't come from him because he's one who causes no problems. The problem he calls is on the field.

[Joe]

Correct.

[Ocho]

Fuck as hell. That's it.

[Joe]

That's why, that's why I struggle. That's why you struggle. Yeah. Because you know him better than I do. And there was never any indication. He's so laid back. He's so much. If you watch him when he does an interview. He's sitting back.

[Narrator]

He chill.

[Joe]

He sits back like this here all the time.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So he. And a little bit that I've been around him. I've been around him a couple of times doing the autograph signing. I saw him at the Super Bowl. He's a chill guy. He's not one of these high strung guys that, you know, best liable to go off. He's really mild mannered.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So that's why it's so surprising. But, You know, look, like I said, you know, this season was supposed to be different. They missed the playoff last year. He had the Triple Crown. He's the first Triple Crown, my brother to win that and not make the playoffs. My brother won the triple crown in 92. They didn't make the playoffs. Yeah, he won the triple crown in 24. They didn't. So almost 30. Almost well over 30 years.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So it doesn't happen often because there's not a whole lot of people that win the Triple Crown. It's hard. So you got to have. You got to have the most catches, yards and touchdowns versus everybody, not just the nfc, but the AFC as well. Sometimes you could have yards, sometimes you could have catches something that somebody nips you at with. Touchdown. He. He had both. It's kind of like winning the Triple Crown in. In baseball. Yeah. Yeah. You could have a.380 batting average, but you got 40 home runs and somebody got 50 or somebody drives in 135. That's why it doesn't happen that often. Mickey Cabrera was the last one. Then you got to go all the way back to Yaz.

[Ocho]

Wait, who call you?

[Joe]

Scrimsky. Okay.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And they say who? Okay.

[Joe]

Yeah, so. Or the same thing in horse racing, you know, hey, you might win that first two, but that mile and a half at the Belmonts.

[Ocho]

That'S it. That's hell, boy.

[Joe]

Yeah. If you notice now, a lot of horses just like, hey, forget it. They just stay. They like. I don't even worry about it. Hey, we win the Kentucky Derby, we'll skip the Preakness. We'll see you at the Belmont.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Joe]

I mean, it was such a long time. And then, I mean, because everybody thought it was easy, you get Secretary in 73, and then you get Seattle Saloon Affirm back to back year. 77, 78. And then it's like, well, it's. Man, it's too hard. It's too hard, it's too hard. And then you get American Pharaoh. Do it. And then you come back with Justified Bob Baffert, two horses. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. You probably had more Triple Crown winners in baseball than you had in horse racing. But.

[Ocho]

And it's. That's difficult.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Ocho]

Hey, you.

[Narrator]

You be.

[Ocho]

You've been to the Kentucky Derby before.

[Joe]

I've been. Oo. We got. Hey, it's all. Oh, it's all about the hat. Yes. For a man and a woman. It's all about. I've seen women come with some hats and be barefooted. Be bare barefooted.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Because they know. I don't know. For some reason, it normally rains.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But. Oh, yo, these ladies have these hats. I mean, one lady had a hat. I mean, this. This hat was way out here. Like this here.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, your boy would have to have a. You, hey, young.

[Ocho]

You was out there sharp, huh? You were sharp.

[Joe]

If a fly lit on. If a fly would have landed on my old. Y' all to cut his throat. You see, you messing me up. You messing up the ensemble. Yeah, I was clean, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know. I didn't been there a few times. Obviously, when I was in Cincinnati, it's. Right. It's right down the street.

[Joe]

Right, right. As a matter of fact, hell, I flew into Cincinnati and drove over.

[Ocho]

Drove down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right down the street, man. It's a great event. I only did it one time. You know, I'm. I'm not in that kind of.

[Joe]

That's. That's where I met. I met. I met Bob Baffert.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Joe]

Him and his son. At the time I met. Rest his soul. I think D. Wayne Lucas. I met a couple of them.

[Ocho]

It's a great. It's great. It's awesome sport.

[Joe]

It's unbelievable, Ocho, because it was. It was on my bucket list. Like, you know, I've been to a World Series, obviously. I've been to a Super bowl, the Kentucky Derby. I want to do Daytona 500. I went to. I want to do Wimbledon.

[Ocho]

Listen, do me.

[Doug]

Do me.

[Ocho]

Do me a favor. Do. To give yourself some justice so you can understand the experience. When you go to the Daytona 500, do not let them put you in a suite. You need to sit in the stand so you can get the feel, to.

[Joe]

Feel them go around that track.

[Ocho]

Yes, yes. You got to be able to experience it. You got to feel those cars coming around, you know, the energy, the aura, the stands. You got the. Oh, man, it's on.

[Joe]

It's crazy, man. It's. It's crazy. I mean, it's it's something about when you feel. When you feel 800 horsepower and it's 42 of those cars, and they go in 180, 190 miles an hour. And they're this close. They're this close.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And those cars are damn near upside down.

[Ocho]

Unbelievable.

[Joe]

Hey, boy. Hey, hey, hey, would they be. Hey, they bump draft. That's a rescue. So the Terminator. Dale Earnhardt slingshot down in the back. Oh, man, I gotta see that one. I gotta see that. I want to see Wilmington, because I went to see. I saw the US Open. I saw Serena. She just got married to two a couple of years ago to David Lee. She the Dane, the tennis player. She married David Lee, the basketball player. I saw her and Serena play semifinal at the US Open on a Saturday night. What's her name? Wozniaki. Yep. She married David Lee. I think they got a couple of kids because I saw them in. I just saw them in Vegas, maybe for the Super Bowl. David Lee. Michael Phelps and his wife. And it was David Lee and Wozniaki. But, man, Ocho, I gotta. I gotta, huh? Yeah. You look at your boy.

[Ocho]

Hey. Hey, boy. You clean now. I see you. Okay.

[Joe]

You clean. Look, I pulled out. I was in a hurry. Was it a hurry?

[Ocho]

All right.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

Hold on.

[Joe]

Hey, hold on. It's April. Oh. So we might have to jump down there. Hey, Club Shay shape. I mean, a nightcap might have to go on the road at the derby, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, I get my hat ready right now.

[Joe]

Don't. Don't. Don't play with me.

[Ocho]

Hey. Because you know, when it. When it comes to putting them. Putting them things on. No, I put that. I put that. I put that you know what on there. I'm ready.

[Joe]

Yeah, we might. We about to go and do a little something.

[Ocho]

Speaking of horses, in Kentucky Derby, my daughter. My daughter Cha Cha, she plays tennis. Unc. She's phenomenal. She's.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Phenomenal. And she loves horses. Until I love. She said, I'mma blame her mama. I'mma blame my mama. We went riding horses this past weekend, a weekend before last. She asked me all about types of horses and telling me about saddles, and I'm like, man, where in the world.

[Joe]

You learn all this stuff at?

[Ocho]

I said, she's really into it. So I'm like, okay, okay, cool.

[Joe]

Okay. Your pockets, too.

[Ocho]

Hey, listen, so as soon as we finish riding, you know, the first thing, Christmas coming up. So the first thing I do, I'm talking to the lady. We on the trail we riding.

[Joe]

Ask the train.

[Ocho]

I say, you know what horses run? How much they cost? Okay, a thousand, fifteen hundred for some simple. Okay, bet.

[Joe]

What? Please?

[Ocho]

No, I ain't get. I ain't getting nothing. Too expensive now, you know, she, she, she young now. So I'm like, okay, what about Borden? What about feeding? Do they have places? Do they have places out here?

[Joe]

Yeah, that's where you spend the money.

[Ocho]

You know, they have board. It's like, yeah, that's. Yes, there's Borden. So I asked her, I say, well, listen, I'm gonna leave my information and, you know, send it to me and the numbers and what it costs weekly, monthly, and for the year. And I'm thinking about, you know, getting my daughter. I'm thinking about get a Pasafino. I don't want none too big. I want some a little small where the ride is smooth and apostrophino would be perfect for her. Yeah, I'm just curious. I'm kind of excited. I'm kind of excited for her because she loved him so much. And I think that would be one of the best breast surprises for one of. One of my 85 on Christmas morning.

[Joe]

The thing is, Ocho, is that, yeah, you get a horse for a decent price, you probably spend 1500, maybe $5000 on a horse.

[Ocho]

What you got to put into it completely different.

[Joe]

But the boarded and defeated. Yes.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but see, and to. Also you got to understand where I live in Miami, out that way, you know, because I'm. I'm further up north in west a little bit. Ain't nothing out there but horses and stables. That's it. And when you think Miami, you think South Beach. No, all the nice stuff. But I'm out there in. I don't even know what you want to call it. You know, you go to Walmart, you go to Target, and when you, when you driving, it's people riding horses up and down the street like we in goddamn Texas. Yeah, I'm serious. That's how far out I am from everybody.

[Joe]

Right? The New York Jets. Ocho are benching Justin Fields for backup Tyrod Taylor. The moves comes following the 2714 lost the Patriots last Thursday night. The game in which Fields threw for 116 yards on 15 or 26 passing. Fields signed a two year, $40 million deal with the jets last spring. The contract guarantees him 20 million in 25 and another 10 million in 26. Ocho does this bench and suggest that the Justin Field experiment is officially over.

[Ocho]

Yes, it does. And I hate that for Young Bull, I'm just gonna be honest, I hate that for him. And not only is the experiment over, it puts the Jet back in. It put the jets back in the same position that they've been in for a very long time. Since Joe Namath is in search of a quarterback number one, they're back in search of quarterback number one. I really. I really was pulling for Justin Fields and hoping this would be his season to have his own team. Things didn't go well with the Bears. He went to Pittsburgh. We saw flashes. We saw flashes of brilliance leading that Pittsburgh Steeler team offensively to a 42 record before he was benched for Russell Wilson that Mike Tomlin had said would be the starter once he gets back healthy. Now, Justin Fields, this is your team. You quarterback number one. You have nothing to worry about. You have to look over your shoulder. You can play freely, you know, just minimize your mistakes, protect the ball, and try to run that offense as efficient as you possibly can. And to this point, we in week 10. Damn near, if I'm not mistaken, week 10. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. We about to head into week 12.

[Ocho]

Oh, well, we in week 12 and just.

[Joe]

No, week 13. Yeah, they. We. This is week 12. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

I mean.

[Joe]

And by the end of the week. Yeah, week 12.

[Ocho]

Yeah. At this point, based on the numbers, what you've seen, we've talked about it all the time. You know, having games where you got 20, 30 yards at the half.

[Joe]

Yeah, man. Come on, man. 45 yards passing, NFL quarterback. Yeah, okay, okay, once I get that. But Ocho, back to back, back to back, man. No, and.

[Ocho]

And I'm. Let's. And sometimes when I think about it, it's like sometimes I think they sabotaging him, you know, But I know that's not the case. I know. Not the case because they. They can only sabotage you so much. You know, it. I know it hurt. I. I hurt for Young Bull because he. He's really. He really won the opportunity to be quarterback number one, and it. It just hasn't panned out or.

[Joe]

The.

[Ocho]

Jess is probably one of the worst situations to go to because you have clearly got. You have to be that much better at the quarterback position than everything around you. You got to. You got to be able to elevate everybody else around you, and he's not that kind of quarterback, man.

[Joe]

Aaron Rodgers and Devonte Adams couldn't help him.

[Ocho]

Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's. That's a good one.

[Joe]

So you put that. That green and white on, you already know damn.

[Ocho]

Well, listen, Tyrod, you know, proven veteran. Tyrod gonna get in there and the one thing about him, you know, he.

[Joe]

Gonna move by now. Let it go.

[Ocho]

You're gonna move that ball too. He gonna move that ball. I wonder who the jets got this week.

[Joe]

Who did just play. The Ravens.

[Ocho]

Oh, hell no.

[Joe]

Hey, in Baltimore, Tyrod. Hey, that's what Tyrod started. Remember Tyrod was the backup to Joe Pleco.

[Ocho]

Yeah, the Joe. Yeah, yeah, I remember. Yep, sure was.

[Joe]

And he started in Buffalo. He took Buffalo to the playoffs. People forget that.

[Ocho]

That's right. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

[Joe]

Yes. Simmons said he's tired of sugar coating things and is sick of the Titans not playing complimentary football. Let's take a listen to what Jeffrey Simons had to say. We need to be better. I mean, we can't keep sitting up here saying the same thing, trying to sugarcoat us for the media, for no, anybody. And I said it in the locker room, I said it on the field. I'm tired of sugar coding. And we need to be better. At the end of the day, we need to protect Cal better. There was a deal as a defense when knowing if you give up two touchdowns or you know, or whatever that it's going to be hard to win, man, then day it's about complimenting football. We have to play better team football. Sometimes offensively playing good, sometimes the defense. How can we play good as a team?

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[Joe]

We not playing good team football right now and showing. And like Mike said in the practice Friday, we had freaking four false starts Friday. We playing at home. We shouldn't have him in the false starts. Don't care. Tired of taking feelings. I'm tired of losing. That's what I'm tired of doing.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, he frustrated boy.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. You talking about the offensive line. He said how we have that many false starts. Are we playing at home?

[Ocho]

At home? Yeah. You shouldn't, you shouldn't have any because the noise is on your side or the lack of noise is on your side, especially when the office is out there on the field. It shouldn't, it shouldn't be any issues. I understand what he's. What he's saying. And the key, the key word that he kept saying over and over is complimentary. You know, offense play well, defense play well. There has to be some type of balance on both sides. Now you're not going to execute on every. Every single drive. Not every single drive, but meet me halfway, meet me halfway. Keep us off the field for a little bit. Don't go three and out 30 goddamn three times. I'm just. I'm just throwing that number out there. But, but in general Z, give us a chance to rest. Let's put together some drives, some consecutive drives together, you know, give us a chance. They're not even. With the way they're playing, they're not even giving themselves a chance to win games. Now it's a little position to get.

[Joe]

The number one pick again next this year. I mean, in 26oo. Yeah. Suck to get the back to back number one picks.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's tough. Well, hell, you know how bad you.

[Joe]

Are to have territory. You are in old Colts territory. Yeah, but. Oh. Cause you know y' all did that, right, Ocho? Who? The Bengals.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, Bangles are bad.

[Joe]

Johnny Carter, Big daddy Dan Wilkinson.

[Ocho]

Hey, the Bengals was bad, huh? I'm talking about back then.

[Joe]

You do realize I was in the league where y' all was terrible.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Y' all come a long way, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, we have.

[Joe]

Yeah. The Colts was terrible, too. Don't. Hey, the Patriots was terrible, too.

[Ocho]

Terrible.

[Joe]

Yeah, a lot of terrible.

[Ocho]

They were bad. They were bad. Hey, but, but Tennessee got a long way to go, huh? You know how bad you.

[Joe]

And.

[Ocho]

You heard me. You know how bad you had to.

[Joe]

Be or save the team. Hold on, Ocho. I'm trying to think who the last team to have back to back number one overall picks. So like we said, like the Bengals, right. Did with. I think it was Kajana Carter and big daddy Dan Wilkerson. Damn.

[Ocho]

What happened?

[Joe]

The same team has done it twice.

[Ocho]

Who was that?

[Joe]

Oh, it woulda done it twice. Back to back number ones overall.

[Ocho]

Oh, just the Bengals.

[Joe]

Oh, you give me the years, I'm probably gonna get it. Oh, yeah. With Tim Couch and the guy from Penn State.

[Ocho]

Oh, Cleveland.

[Joe]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Baker Mayfield and Miles Garrett.

[Ocho]

Oh.

[Joe]

What was the defensive lineman. He. According to Brown, if I'm not mistaken, I think Courtney went one and, and what you call him went two, didn't he? Yeah, didn't. Didn't Levar go to. To Washington after Courtney because they was on the same team. I think just like the Colts had the first two picks and they took Steve Edmond and they took the guy from Texas A M, Quentin Corriot, To Washington. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Three.

[Joe]

Wow. Chris Samuel, the offensive lineman. Yeah, Man. Yeah, it's tough. Oo, and, and, and, and, and that's where you got to have real strong leadership. Because when one side is pulling their weight and the other side ain't pulling their weight.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Frustration start to bubble.

[Ocho]

Yeah, Tennessee, you got to have some.

[Joe]

Real, real, real, real strong, yeah, Tennessee leadership.

[Ocho]

Tennessee has some chances to win that game. So they did.

[Joe]

They did. They absolutely did. Yeah, they absolutely did.

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