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Shannon Sharpe
Hey, we all love bacon, right? I mean, who does it? And did you know Oscar Meyer smokes their delicious bacon for 12 hours over real hardwood?
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
That's a really long time to perfect that smoky flavor.
Shannon Sharpe
In that time that Oscar Meyer is smoking their bacon, you could fly from Madrid to la.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Matter of fact, you could fly from Miami to the Bay Area and the Bay Area back. And that's the same 12 hours Oscar Meyer smokes their delicious bacon.
Shannon Sharpe
There is no wrong way to enjoy it. So go out and buy some Oscar Meyer thick cut bacon now and enjoy. Hey, did you know?
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J.R. Smith
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Shannon Sharpe
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. Ocho is running a little late, so we're going to kick the party off. You know him, the three point sharpshooter. Cleveland Cavaliers, New York Knicks, the Denver Nuggets. Won a championship in the bubble, the pandemic with the Los Angeles Lakers. One of the great three point shooters of our generation, of any generation. Mr. Swish himself. He's now an avid golfer, a wine connoisseur. I guess you could call himself a Samay. That's Mr. J.R. swish Smith. Thank you for joining us. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button and go. Subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed Wherever you get your podcast from, every subscriber matters, every subscriber counts, and we thank you for making Nightcap what it has become today. Please make sure you check out Shave Out. We do have it in stock. If we if you can't find it in a city or a state near you, you can order it. And with the holidays right around the corner, you have Thanksgiving and then before you know it it's Christmas and then New Year's. We'll make sure we have it to you before the holidays so you'll get an opportunity to celebrate right? Please go follow my media company page on all platforms that shame Media and my clothing company 84. With 84 being spelled out, our newest release dropped last week. We dropped I was hell when I was well I lied for you before I lied to you. T shirts, black Nightcap hoodies and by popular man Stay with me now hoodies and of course our best sellers unknown Ocho Teas. We got a lot of requests for uncle Teens to come in black and we dropped those over the weekend and now they're available in the store. Quantities are limited. Make sure you grab yours while supplies last. So Junior as well as I mentioned at the top of the show, Ocho is running a little late. And so now our newest basketball contributor, Junior Swish. Please go follow Junior on all his platforms and his podcast, his Par three podcast on all platforms that's at Par three. The Letter podcast. That's where you can find Junior on all this on all social media platforms. Oh, excuse me Junior. The Grizzlies whip up on the Lakers minus AD 131 to 114 early in the day Chat Laparon said when the Lakers lose, it's not going to be a 40 year old man's fault. It's on Anthony Davis. Not LeBron James's fault. We know Chandler's had a lot of course things to say about LeBron over the course of the years, but you watch this game, you watch them play without A.D. it was, it was, it was close for a little while and then the Grizzlies started raining threes and then they pulled away.
J.R. Smith
I mean that's to be expected though. They, I mean for one the Memphis playing at home, Jive's back. It's a lot of energy in the building. But again, no ad, no rui. The bench has been really suspect coming from the Lakers side. So it's, I mean that's to be expected. It's a tough road game especially earlier on in the season. You, you Know, obviously, when you, when you're number one A or one B guy is out, depending on what day it is. I mean, it's hard to call Bron anything other than 1 or 1A, so. But I mean, that's a tough situation. It's just a tough situation they ran into. And, you know, Memphis is going to be playing a lot better this year, obviously, because Ja's back and the team is healthy. But, I mean, that's a tough team to beat and to go in and walk in. And Memphis is already a tough place.
Shannon Sharpe
To win at, especially when they're playing at home. And we know they're the grind house. We know how they got to get up and down the crowd, get into the game. Ja, highfly his high fly here, the high wire act. He's levitating through the air. He's playing unbelievable. Obviously, he has a lot to prove. He missed last year, had a lot of situations going on with him the previous year, and he wants to show, hey, a lot of guys stepped up in his absence. You saw Ant man, you saw a lot of these young players starting to take steps forward in a place that he's supposed to have had his foothold in by now. He had to see, sit down, you know, some off the, off the court issues. You look at LeBron in 35 minutes, he was 15 to 24, 6 of 11 from 3, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 39 points. D'Angelo Russell, 412, 12 points. Austin Reed, 7, 17, 19 points. Cam Reddish did finish strong with 15 points. But when I look at this junior, I'm looking at the Lakers, I'm like, bro, y'all was suspect last year. Y'all brought the same back. How do you expect to get better if your bench was suspect last year? You made no improvements to it, and somehow you think, okay, well, AD is going to be. AD played good last year. Now he's playing all world. He's never played this good this early. Averaging 32 points, averaging 12 rebounds. Giving it to you on both ends. LeBron is doing what LeBron does. We know LeBron is going to average somewhere between 25 and 27 points a game. At the end of the season, he's going to give you seven to eight rebounds, seven to eight assists. We know that, okay? We're the consistent third guy. And then when those guys go to the bench, because LeBron can't play 45 minutes a night like he could when he was young, where are the points going to come from? Swish, who. Who can they count on? Especially Bench points, who can they count on?
J.R. Smith
To me, I would like out if I. And if I know Brian, how I know Brian, I think he's doing it now with Cam Reddish, like you to mold that one guy who's going to be that bench firecracker. You like, one thing off the bench, you get a firecracker dude who's really like. And that's one thing, like, I really loved about Malik Monk coming off the bench in Sacramento, because he. This dude could come, he could run, pick a roll, he can get above the rim, he can shoot the three, he can defend, he can get you big stops. He's an energy guy. He gonna get the crib out into it. So, like, when you got guys like that, you got. And that's the role that I fit into a lot of times in my career is, like, when you got guys like that, you got to figure out a way to get them going early, especially if they already feel like, all right, I'm coming off the bench, the guys in front of me, he's not better than me, but this is what's best for the team. This is the role. So in order for me to play my role, I'm gonna need you to feed me. Like, I. Cool. I may not be. I may not be eating steak and caviar every night, but I need a little lobster here and there. Like, yeah, you love the crab legs.
Shannon Sharpe
To do fights in the meantime. And plus, he has to be able also. Now, a lot of times you're going to start off, LeBron's probably going to be heading to the bench, so you'll be able to get your rhythm. Then when LeBron comes back in there, you're going to have to find a way to mesh with him and AD while they're on the court also, because we know those guys are going to get those shots. With AD's off the court, LeBron's off the court. Obviously, your firecracker that's coming off the bench, he's going to be allowed to get his shots. But when they come back into the ball game now, you're going to have to find a way to seamlessly transition and blend in with those guys.
J.R. Smith
For me, when I really think about that, it's a lot of kudos to Mike Woodson, because when I was with the Knicks and I did end up winning six man of the year, he found a great package for myself and Melo to play within. When Melo comes off the court and I'm in there in a situation to where I can be Aggressive and I could be as aggressive as I want. Then when he comes back and like especially in the trenches when it's the third and fourth quarter, when it gets to that meat and potatoes of the situation, it's almost to where it's like, okay, he's the vocal point, but y'all still playing ping pong. Like you involved in it, but you like, yeah, you just a back and forth game. Then you got stat rolling on picks and picking pops. Like you in a situation to where now you got a cohesiveness rhythm with all your scores, which are key pieces. And for what T. Lou used to do with a lot with Kyrie and Kev. In the situation where Bron is going off or Kai is going off off, he would find intricate plays for Kev to make Kev not only feel like he's a part of the team, part of it feel good about when he like he's involved to a situation to where he's not caught off guard, to where he get a. You might get a certain situation where they jump the screen. He get a pick and pop situation where normally they not going to leave Kev for pick and pop. They going to hedge and try and get back to Kev immediately. But you have those situations to where you know what, he ain't got a shot in four or five minutes. Let me just double team and see what happened. And. But if you playing that and if you're playing that way, you already have that cohesiveness within the group to where he not even tripping, he gonna get it off regardless.
Shannon Sharpe
I thought, I thought the Lakers got some really great looks tonight at threes, the ball just didn't fall. And in this, in the, like the second, late in the second and through the third quarter, I think what, what was it? The third quarter they were like seven, six or seven or seven or eight from the three point line, junior. And so look, when a team catches fire like that, you either match them or they're going to pull away from you. That. Those are the only. There's your only. That's the only two options. You can't make enough tools when they're going seven of eight or eight or nine or whatever they went from, from the three point line in the fourth. In the third quarter, if you either match them shot for shot or whatever the lead is they had, I guarantee you it's going to be double digit. It's going to be 13, 14 points by the time you start the fourth quarter. If you don't match that intensity from the three point line. And I don't think the lakers have great three point shooting. I think they got streaky shooters. LeBron is streaky. Kobe of the Ozarks, Austin Reeves, he's streaky. They don't have guys that you like. Oh, okay. They can just pull from here. And it's. I don't know.
J.R. Smith
The kid, Christian, what's his name? He got a ratchet. I can't lie. He got a ratchet. He just don't get. He's a lot of. I find him and a lot of times he's starting an offense, so it's hard for him to get to catch that second swing rotation to be on the right side, so. But I think he got a cannon though. Honestly, I just don't think he's in that position a lot. But again, like, for me, the hardest part about it is when you playing in this league and it's a three point shooting league right now, like even I watched the Boston game, they shot 53 threes. Shoot 53 threes in the NBA game. And there's only like 80, 90 possessions. Like, that's a lot of. Well, it used to be.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, basically your every possession, every other.
J.R. Smith
Possession, it was a point. I'm at the wine bar with my homie, I'm like, bro, this is the last eight possessions was all threes. So it's like if you don't have, if you can't, again, like you said, if you can't match that shooting, the team's going to pull away, especially if you can't create stops. So for me, a lot of those times, like in, especially over the last couple of years, I try to look at like the Lakers, like, what's your identity? Like, what's the identity of the team? Is it a scrappy team? Is it a front running team? Is your underdog team? Like, what type of team are y'all? Because that if you can under, like underline that. Cause I knew like for sure for us in Cleveland, like we was an underdog team, but coming out of third quarters, you. I knew for sure coming out of third quarter the team was going to make a six to eight hour run. Coming out the doors, we just started off slow. That's just the way it was. No matter what it, no matter how good we were at times, and that's just the way it is. But we was underdogs. So everybody in that system, in that situation, we already looked at it like, no, we are, we're already underneath, so we gonna come back anyway. But this team, I'M looking at it like, what sh. What's going to be the. Like right now, even the guys coming off the. Ben, who's that guy that was on another team that's coming to this team and be like, ooh, like a Lou Will or like a. Even the Nick Young or like, who's that guy coming off the bench? Like, hey man, we got a game plan around him. Like, like, watch out for this dude doing this. Like, there's nobody, right?
Shannon Sharpe
The Lakers, really not since Malik Monk have they had a guy that could come in and you know he can give the instant offense. They haven't had that guy. And they. And most teams have a guy that can come in and you know he can let it go. Lakers don't have anybody. The Lakers bench haven't improved because that's pretty much the same players they had last year. And their bench was suspect. So I don't understand what you thought was going to happen. Even if AD's playing at a great. At his best level, LeBron is giving what LeBron does still they can't play 48 minutes. So you're going to have to get. You need your bench to average what, somewhere between 25 and 30 points.
J.R. Smith
Because you gotta have your main guy anywhere from your main bench guy, six man guy, he's gotta be anywhere from 12 to 15 and that's gotta be any like a given night. He. I need at least 12 to 15. I can't. How you going three and you know, because at this rate, you the third dude. Like, and like, to me it doesn't make sense because obviously I think DLO has the game, he has the caliber of game like to fit as the a third guy. But I don't understand why it's not.
Shannon Sharpe
What happens to him. What happened to it? Sweet.
J.R. Smith
What's going on? I'm not gonna lie, bro. Like, it's hard to play next LeBron. It is. It's hard to play when you got like, it's different when you go from a situation like and no knock to him as a person or as a player. But like, it's different when you go from a situation where you in Minnesota and nobody has any expectation. And then you go from a situation to where you were back in the show and you got. You got those guys and they just wanted Chip in a bubble like granted a couple years ago. However you want to count it, discount it, whatever. The chip is a chip. So when you playing for the Lakers for one, and you got Braun next to you, that's a lot of pressure.
Shannon Sharpe
Because the expectations on both ends, you know what the Lakers represent. And you know every time LeBron touches the court, the expectation him is to be to the Finals. Because that's the standard that he set. And that's what I tell people. It's easy, hey, you playing when nobody give the damn if you, if you win by 25 or you lose by 25 versus you going and the stadium is sold out, road or home, it's a sellout. Different pressure and the expectations, the. A lot of times switch. And that's what I tell people a lot of times. Some of the greatest, the greatest killer of a player's career is expectations. Because not only the expectations that the player have for themselves, is that the expectations that you have when you go to an organization. And the, the expectations are to win. And they don't accept, they don't accept excuses or why you didn't win. They don't care. They just want you to win. And you in la, la, Boston have a different standard because they are the gold standard. Same thing with the Warriors. Now the warriors have built, excuse me, the warriors have built themselves into that model over the last decade. But we know what the Celtics represent. We know what the Lakers represent from the 60s to the 70s.
J.R. Smith
The Lakers, you know what you're getting, you know what you're getting. You know when you walking through this door, what you getting yourself into, right?
Shannon Sharpe
And so I, I can just imagine. And that's what I Playing with a great player. Yeah, they make the game easier, but they put a lot of pressure on your ass because they expect you to catch everything that they throw in your vicinity. They expect you to be where you're supposed to be. They don't want to hear nothing, Johnny want to hear nothing about no excuses. The guy got a good jam on me, I stumbled down, I slip. He didn't want to hear none of that because guess what? While you, while you out there horse jacking around, the guy trying to hit me in the back of my head.
J.R. Smith
Take my head off.
Shannon Sharpe
That's the same thing with LeBron. LeBron's like, Bro, I don't, I'm. I'm closer to the end than the beginning. And the expect. See the problem is, is that as LeBron has gotten older, they don't compare LeBron to anything else but a younger LeBron. And see the expect. The expectations haven't changed for him. They expect LeBron because once he went to all those final switch, they expect that to be. That's the expectation every year, no matter who he's playing for, no matter who's playing around 100.
J.R. Smith
And trust me, as a players, you feel that. Like, I knew for sure when we were in the finals, like, this is your seventh in a row. This is your eighth in a row. Ninth in a row. Like, bro, how many? Like, damn. And I gotta, I gotta make sure you win this joint. Because at the end of the day, like regardless of the situation, like when we won, don't get me wrong, we won. But when they start, when they show clips in 20 years, they're gonna show my homie like this is. He came home and they gonna show him and they gonna show me over here. Like, yeah, but they ain't. Like, it ain't about me, dog. This is, this is like, I knew that going in. Like, this is bigger than for the situation. It's like I look at it very, very different now and I hope, like, I wish I could talk to somebody like a Cam Reddish because like, bro, you got an opportunity to really, especially when they playing people like this, dog, like, bro, you, if you can come off the bench and go out there and like just average 15 to 16 off the bench, be consistent with it, take your shots. If they don't go in, they don't go in. But you got to take those same shots next game. That's the biggest problem I think with the Lakers right now is like when you see dudes miss you, they feel that monkey on their jacket and they're like, let me pump fake. 1 dribble, 2 dribble, probe, kick it out. Like, nah, bro, if I'm open, I'm open, I'm shooting. That ain't nobody telling me different, right?
Shannon Sharpe
But you gotta have confidence when you shoot it. As you can see, Ocho is joined us now.
J.R. Smith
Ocho, you got us the man moving around now.
Shannon Sharpe
I think he might be muted twitch when you. Earlier today, Chandler Parsons said when the Lakers lose, it's going to be 40. It's not, it's not going to be 40 year old man's fault. It's Anthony Davis, not LeBron James. It's on Anthony Davis, not LeBron. What, what do you, what do you make of that?
J.R. Smith
For me it's just availability. Anthony Davis, over the course of the years, I think people are getting fed up with AD and being him being available, especially at his age, and then seeing a person like LeBron at his age and being always available. But people don't. I think one thing that people don't understand about, you know, special specimens, like I look at Like Braun, you Ocho. Like, y'all are like, y'all are different specimens than everybody else. Like, I got a homeboy, like, we used to, we play together in Denver and we live down the street from each other. We walk, we work out, we do all of that. I can still go to Burger King after that. I could go to McDonald's after that. He gotta go get a salad because that's is just gonna transform different. But within that, with respect to ad, his body ain't built for this. Not, not, not in the sense of being available the way other people needs him to be available. His body is built for what he's doing right now. Listen, bro, you gotta sit down. You gotta sit down. And same with Joel Embiid. Like, don't get me wrong, I understand, like some of the older guys, you know, Charles Barkley or Patrick Ewan, dudes who play 82 games every game and was those guys in that time. But at the same time, we not working with that. We not working with the same steel. Titanium. Like, this is a different, It's a totally different metal.
Shannon Sharpe
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J.R. Smith
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Shannon Sharpe
Everything's different now. Swish. You look at the baseball players. The pitchers don't pitch as often as they once did. They got. They got a guy go three or four innings because they don't want the guy to see the guy, the batters to see them the third time through the lineup. So you got middle relief, you got, you know, you got a lefty, lefty matchup. You got righty, righty matchup. You got middle relief, you got a setup man, and then you got a closer. So the baseball players used to, you know, the pitchers used to pitch every fifth day.
J.R. Smith
To me, that's. That's way. That's more strategic. That's. But lesson, that's not necessarily availability or you guys.
Shannon Sharpe
Or you guys. It was. It was thought of as a badge of honor for you to play 82 games. Guys don't give a damn about no 82 games.
J.R. Smith
Thinking about that. They don't care about that at all. At all.
Shannon Sharpe
When we played, I mean, defensive line, but it wasn't. No. Oh, you playing 50 snaps and then somebody's gonna play 30. You played, you played until you couldn't go anymore. And then you came out when you got tired. It wasn't. No, okay, today you're gonna play 40. You're gonna play 40 other 65 plays or you go, no, you gonna play until you get tired. So if we ran 70 plays, basically, you're gonna be out there 60 of them.
J.R. Smith
I ain't gonna lie. Like, low management, all that. We didn't know nothing about that. So Pop started doing that with Tim and them, and that was still like. And that was like 20, 10, 20, like 11 somewhere in there, somewhere in that range. And it was like, bro, like, we don't. Like when I came, you play. You try to play 82 games, and you try to play 38, 40 minutes a game. Like, are you kidding? Like, low management. What you mean? I don't care. It's the worst team. I'm trying to go get 35 on the worst team. I'm trying to go get 35 on the best team. It's just. That's the competitive juices that you put. You. Like, I grew up, couldn't wait to get to this level. I dreamt about this forever to go sit down and nothing is wrong with me. Or just be like, oh, nah, you gotta, you know, you play 35 minutes tonight. So you gotta chill tonight, and then the day after tomorrow, you can go back out and play 35. Like, I don't. I can't even fathomly think of that in the game. Like, there's no way I gotta play today. Tomorrow, take a day off. The next day we playing. Like, that's. We. We playing.
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho, you got us. Yeah. You can hear me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
What's up? What's up, baby?
Shannon Sharpe
I just.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
I just. I just landed that. I landed, came straight to the hotel and got here as fast as I could, baby. Throw something on the floor for me, baby. I'm gonna pick it up now.
J.R. Smith
We got you. We've been waiting on you.
Shannon Sharpe
KD had high praise for Ja today, saying he's the most athletic person I've seen. Swish. Do you agree? Do you agree? If Ja. The math. Most athletic player that you've seen.
J.R. Smith
Basketball player. No.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
J.R. Smith
No.
Shannon Sharpe
You like Russ?
J.R. Smith
You like D. Rose the most athletic. I mean, D. Rose in his heyday. Oh, my God. But to me, honestly, the most athletic. I gotta go, Russ, bro. At six five, long arms, wiry strength, athletic, like, explosiveness, intensity. I gotta go, Russ.
Shannon Sharpe
Man. Having. Having. I. I never saw Russian at his prime. In his prime. I only saw Russ a couple years ago with the Lakers, and. But I saw Josh, and I've seen y'all on several occasions. The way that. And he offend. But if you look at his waistlines, he got. His legs really don't match his body because he's really fan frame up top, but he got. He got some legs on him. He built. He. He built kind of like a wide receiver. Ocho, you know, he not. He not wiring. He got some size to his. From. From waist down, right? And the way he can elevate and hang in the air and contort his body.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah, I. I haven't had. I haven't had the pleasure. The opportunity to watch y'all up close. I. I did see D. Rose up close. I've seen Russell Westbrook up close. But watching from tv, obviously, TV does. Does. You really does give you.
Shannon Sharpe
No.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Really no justice until you see a player of that magnitude play up close. But it is explosive. And Ja Morant looks from tv, I can imagine it looks that much more explosive in person. So at some point. At some point, I got to watch him play in person.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
But when it comes to players that are very explosive, that's. That's the top three right there. D. Rose. Yeah, obviously.
J.R. Smith
Russ.
Shannon Sharpe
Russ.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah. Westbrook. I'M trying to think who else played that, that, that, that intensity. They play like they angry. It remind me of Steve Smith. You know how Steve Smith. Steve Smith, Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Smitty. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Like they. Somebody did something to him. But who pissed you off? He did. They just played a game. Angry as hell.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, D. Rose with that app, was that that point guard that could. You don't normally swish. You know this. You don't normally have point guards that play above the rim. Russ played above the rim. Jock plays above the rim. D. Rose could play above the rim. Most of the time, the point card, they played below the rim. Now, Kevin Johnson was unique because Kevin Johnson could play above the rim. But so it was, it was. It's a rarity when you see it. But Ja consistently is a in. I mean, he has. He's one of those guys. And those guys do. Do a lot of damage in the paint. Cause if you look at Ja at the end of the year, you look at Russ when he was in his prime, you look at D. Rose in his prime, look at the point paint. So you have to be a guy to elevate in order to be able to get your shot off over those trees. Because if you, you know, John Stockton wasn't playing in the paint, you know, JK guys, the guys like that. Tony Parker, now Magic was different, but.
J.R. Smith
Tony Parker was the only one. Tony Parker was the only one.
Shannon Sharpe
Tony Parker, yes. He was the only ground based point guard that lived in the paint.
J.R. Smith
Oh, we couldn't stop it. That shit used to piss me off so bad.
Shannon Sharpe
And they kept your ass in the pick and roll.
J.R. Smith
You got him and Tim in the pick and roll. Then you got the other big white boy, Manu, and Tim in the pick and roll.
Shannon Sharpe
The pick and roll. Dribble, drive, dribble, handoff. I'm like, damn. Do y'all run any other offense other than pick and roll?
J.R. Smith
Dribble out, come back. Oh, Scotty Leia. Oh, my God. That should give me nightmares.
Shannon Sharpe
Man.
J.R. Smith
Pop used to kill us. Pop used to kill us.
Shannon Sharpe
Steph Curry scores 27 to lead the warriors past the Celtics. 118. 112. Steph Curry 27, Buddy Hill 16. And the warriors won their fifth straight game. Jason Tatum led Boston with 32. Derrick White had 26, six rebounds, and JB did not play. Everybody wanted this to be a revenge game from Jason Tatum, considering what transpired at the Paris Olympics, which he didn't get. I mean, there are some DMPs. And I remember telling Ocho. I was like, hold on. At the end of the day, that man is the only guy that's on this thing that's been a three time first team all NBA player. He's the only one that has three consecutive first team all NBA players. He's an all star and he's the reigning. And he's the champion. And you mean he's not the only.
J.R. Smith
Person though, you couldn't find.
Shannon Sharpe
No, no, no. I'm saying in the past three years, he's the only one that's been a three time. No, no. Well, obviously Bronwyn went like 12, 13 years in a row, but when you look at it, swish. You mean to tell me a man as credentialed as that, with no injuries, you can't find no minutes in the game for. I'm talking about not none. Zero.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
I think it was personal.
J.R. Smith
I think it's. Honestly, I think it's psychological barrier, like game. Yeah. Like, I don't think it's. I think it's personal, but it's not personal. Like it's a mental barrier that they break. Like they trying to break down on you. Like, like, like messing with you. Almost. Like how they. I wouldn't say how they did Gil because Gil was a completely different player. But like they just trying to mess with you. Like trying to mess with you to mess you. Like, because again, again, they know this game is going to come up. They got another game coming up in the west eventually. And then they go after, they, they, they around, see them in the finals. The way Golden State played, Golden State playing, the way they playing. Like, to be honest, it wouldn't be a surprise.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
I mean, is it, is it not too early because teams are playing this early in the season, being able to maintain that same, that same chemistry, that same momentum late in the scene, late in the season, it's still, it's still an 82 season game.
J.R. Smith
Yeah, but it's, I mean at that point it's health like for a team like, like a Golden State, they got like, they got that pedigree so they gain their style. Ain't gonna change. The style of the play ain't gonna change. It's just a matter of you can stay healthy at that point and then you can make ad. But to me, like when you talk about championship teams, that, that ain't gonna change. But like a team like a. Let me. Like a Orlando, like it. Shit can change a lot. Cause that's just the makeup of the team. One dude go down and one dude can't like other dude getting too much pressure, stepping up, not really used to being in that position. It's a lot of shit that can go. Like, it can falter in that. But for, like, a team like the Celtics, man. Man, I'm surprised, honestly, in the revenge game, I'm thinking, like, okay, JB gonna sit down so JT can go off. I'm thinking JT about to go nuts. Like, don't get me wrong. 30. 30. We had 32. 32. He had a good game. He started coming alive at the end. But are you playing the.
Shannon Sharpe
You. You were thinking. You thinking of 45.
J.R. Smith
Like, 55 and up, bro. They just. That's disrespectful, bro. You didn't play.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, there were games he had played in some game.
J.R. Smith
You the number one dude, and you the number one highest paid player. Now you the number. You. You on a cover of 2K. You just won the chip. Like, they. There's no reason for him not to be in the situation. You can't tell. Oh, he didn't necessarily fit the makeup of what we had going on. What do you mean?
Shannon Sharpe
This is what Steve Kerr said. Warriors coach Steve Kerr was booed at TD Garden. The crowd showed their displeasure over how he used Tatum in the Paris Olympics. Before the game, Steve Kerr said he doesn't regret his decision. We've got 12 hall of Famers, and we just committed.
J.R. Smith
He stood on business.
Shannon Sharpe
We've got 12 hall of Famers.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
He said he doesn't regret, like, let me.
Shannon Sharpe
Let me. Let me. Let me finish the comment, and we can respond. We've got 12 hall of Famers, and we just committed to winning, and we won the gold medal. I don't give it a whole lot of thought other than I didn't enjoy not playing Jason against Serbia, not playing Joel against South Sudan. Those are not fun decisions, but our guys are all amazing and committed to each other and committed to winning the gold medal.
J.R. Smith
Yeah, but not playing Joel against the South Sudan made more sense than not playing JT Against Serbia. Serbia. You, like, no disrespect to, like, a Devin. Like, to Devin Booker, but when I look at Devin Booker and I look at Jason Tatum, like, and he 3 inches taller than him.
Shannon Sharpe
But see, I. I think. Let me. Let me. Let me. Let me try to play devil's advocate Jason Tatum. Like, when you remember when they had the thing and they asked who wants to play? And Jason Tatum said, hey, I go, I'll play. Play. I don't care if I don't get no shots. I'll just play defense, right? So he was like, oh, look, I ain't got no ego. Hey, we got Braun, we got kd, we got Steph. This is the last one they go into. This is about them. Whatever y'all need from me, y'all need me to guard on the perimeter, I got you, Ant man. Y'all need me to go out on the perimeter, I got you. Well, hell, ajt, check this out. We got three big guns. This is the last. This is their last war. You down to be guarded on the. You guarded me, you, you, you good to be guarding on the perimeter. If you don't score for six points, I just don't think. I just don't know how. I just don't know how. That's Jason Tatum. That's Jason Mofoto. And you mean to tell me you can't get three, four minutes out?
J.R. Smith
Came off the bench on the redeem team?
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
J.R. Smith
This what I'm saying. Like, I like, you gotta find time for Jason Tatum, bro. I don't get it.
Shannon Sharpe
I agree.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Oh, I said, I said when the Olympics was going on, it got to be some internal. It got to be some personal. Because there's no reason someone like Jason Tatum who just coming off winning the chip is coming off the bench, let alone not getting any minutes. Something right. Something isn't right, even if you do have 12 hall of Famers.
Shannon Sharpe
Because if you think of Swish, you remember he was like the second best player in the previous Olympics behind kp. So how you go from being the second best player to not play it in a game or two and playing.
J.R. Smith
Limited minutes, when you say it's internal, I'm starting to think, like, maybe, maybe they was better because he didn't show up when everybody else showed up, even. Even after write off on winning the church. Because again, you gotta think he came late. He did come late. They had a chemistry with the first unit, which. Okay, cool. If you got a chemistry with the first unit and you got kd, Steph and Braun out there, I'm never going to tell you to mess that up. Go ahead, do that. But you mean to tell me, yeah, you can't find 10, 15 minutes for Jason Tatum on the second unit, man, you gotta think about how good that team is, bro. Like. Like if he could. If you can't find time for Jason Tatum, right, Think about if Jaylen Brown was on that team, where was he going to play?
Shannon Sharpe
Yes. We'll never know. He said, look, we committed to winning. Guys said they would do whatever it Took to win the gold medal. And it need. They needed that. Yeah, we needed those two. Those last two games from Steph Curry. LeBron. The first. The first three games, LeBron was sensational. I mean, LeBron was sensational the whole tournament, but those first three games, he was obviously out of his mind, played well the entire tournament. I'm not surprised that he won the tournament's most valuable player. Although people said Steph Curry should have won it for those last two games, I think Braun should have won it because LeBron was great from start to finish. Steph. Steph struggled the first three games.
J.R. Smith
I'm not going to say he struggled, but I think LeBron just outwardly performed everybody that it wasn't even close. Like, I think he. And. And it's not even. Like, for me, it's funny because, you know, you know, guys go for certain things. Somebody going for yards, somebody going for stats or something like that. It's like, bro, just be out there hooping, and he don't be going for nothing and be getting everything. So I know it's hard for other people who just sit there like. Like. Because a lot of. Like, this is. Let's just say that a lot of the knock on Steph Curry was. He didn't have no finals mv peas because kd so. So right when it comes to legacy, like, that matters to a lot of people. When buddy not going for it, he's just winning it, just playing off of himself. That's got to be, like, the best feeling in the world. I can only imagine, because he's literally not trying to change anything about his game. He's literally making it fit to everywhere he goes. It's. It's incredible.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Hey, when you say. You say Steph didn't have a good game early in the, like, obviously the first. We know with Steph being a volume shooter the way he is, especially when you're playing with the warriors, he's putting up shot after shot after shot after shot. Regardless, he's gonna open shoot. But you think about the amount of shots he took in those games. He just wasn't efficient. He wasn't taking as many shots. So it looked like he was playing bad as opposed to not being able to get in rhythm because he was missing the few shots he was taking.
J.R. Smith
That's a great point.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Now, once he took some shots, once we got later into them later games, when he started hitting, he was hitting.
Shannon Sharpe
Give me a as. Give me Steph's first three games because there was a couple of games he had, like, Seven points. He had like four points. And he took some shots. Ash, give me the first three games of Steph, but like you said, LeBron just, just did it so effortlessly is that he was scoring, he was rebounding. He obviously he was, he was, you know, he was in charge of the offense, and that's what he does. I mean, he's 6, 9, he can handle the ball, he can score the ball, he can get downhill. You got to get out of his way because he gonna bowl through you. He gonna find an open shooter. He had guys, he had marksman. I mean, think about it. He got Steph on one side, he got KD on the other side. And then now what you gonna do if you, if you don't pack the lane, he gonna drive down the lane because your guy can't stay in front of him. And when you bring the guy to help, and it don't matter where you bring it from, because he knows where you're coming from. And he can whip the ball clearly cross court. He can find him in the short porch, he can find him, he can find him at the timeline. It doesn't matter.
J.R. Smith
Let me ask y'all this. Would y'all agree that LeBron is probably the most all around best player on that team?
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah, absolutely.
J.R. Smith
So if you have, you ask 100.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
People, 100 people that same question, I'm sure 100 people are going to agree with you. Even if you're not a basketball fan. And if you know the game, you know LeBron is obviously the most.
J.R. Smith
Well.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Rounded player there is, or there was.
J.R. Smith
The reason why I asked that. So imagine having the best well rounded player and the smartest player in the same person on that team. When you got, you got Steph on one side, you got KD on the other side, you got ad, Bam, Devin Booker, Anthony Edwards, you, and you already the. The mo. The best at it. Like, bro, you read everything. No matter defenses, he's seen every defense, whether it was Serbia, Rush, was it Southern Sudan. Like, there's no package that you about to throw at him that he's not going to capitalize on shooters and weapons. There's no chance.
Shannon Sharpe
In the first game, on the 28th, Steph played 21 minutes, he had 11 points. Next game, the 31st, he had 21, played 21 minutes, he had three points. The next game, the United States against Puerto rico, he played 18 minutes, he had eight points. The next game against Brazil, he played 17 minutes and had seven points. So again, do y'all think he was playing well the first Four games.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
But you're not naming the most important thing in the point that I brought up. How many shots did he take? Yeah, he didn't take.
Shannon Sharpe
How many. How many shots did he take as cause one game he shot really poorly from three. There were a couple of games that he shot really bad. And I think that's what. Now those last two games, he shot the ball out of his mind. And they needed. Because you remember that what two guys came. Came out to get him and he switched it in both of them place. KD was wanting the ball. LeBron was asking for him to swing it around, and he's like, no, I got.
J.R. Smith
So he put on that night.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And that's. And hold up, he made. And of the 17 points, he had three Mayfield goals. Ash is trying to get me the. The field goal attempts and made in each. But look it. It's kind of like an all star game switch. You got the best players. Everybody can't get everybody a F to get the same number of shots that they normally get if they was on their own team and enough shots to go around.
J.R. Smith
You gotta be efficient at that point.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So you know LeBron normally takes 17 shots. Shots. KD normally takes 17 shots. Steph should take 17 shots.
J.R. Smith
But damn, you got eight, you got nine. We gonna live with your 11 to whoever rolling.
Shannon Sharpe
Against Serbia, the first game when he had, he was 4 of 8. The next game he was 1 of 9. The next game he was 3 of 8. Quarterfinals against Brazil, he was 2 of 3. And then he went 12 of 19. He went 8 of 13. Team.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
See, he told you he didn't even shoot them. The first three games where he had low points, he didn't even shoot overnight.
J.R. Smith
And three of eight isn't bad. It's just that it's Steph that makes.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, he was three. He was three. He was three of seven from three in the first game. 0 of 6, 2 of 6, 0 of 1, 9 of 14, 8 of 12. He got his rhythm. He got that rhythm in the semifinals against Serbia because remember, at one point, Swizz, they were down by like double. They were down like 18, 19 points. Points. So he had to catch fire or they were going home. It's really that simple. If he doesn't catch fire. And once he got it going, now all of a sudden they turned up the defensive intensity. Ant man book diving, making, making tough on the pass lane. Even kd, you saw KD fit in the chair. Hey, them boys ain't want to lose. They like, oh, hell no. We ain't finna lose this.
J.R. Smith
We ain't going out like this different prime depression when you kind of come home and people talking that. You mean like.
Shannon Sharpe
Because this ain't like in years past where we didn't send out this. We sent Steph, we sent Braun, we sent kd, we sent Jason Tatum, we sent Jordan.
J.R. Smith
Our generations, Mike, Larry, and Magic.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, yes. And you come home with something other than gold. See, and the thing is, you don't win silver. You lose gold. So that's. That's what that is. And, And. And. And think about it. The game. We. We, we, we is. It's like. It's like the Chinese losing table tennis. They created the game. You. You. You can't. No, no, no, no, bro.
J.R. Smith
No.
Shannon Sharpe
Hell no. You can't. Basketball. That's. If they brought NFL football. Let's just say they brought tackle football to the Olympics, and we never. We didn't win the goal.
J.R. Smith
I wish I wouldn't. I promise. I wish y'all would. Oh, my God.
Shannon Sharpe
How that. How that go? Look, old Joe. A game that we created here in the States.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah, that's gonna look bad. That's gonna look bad. Even though the European teams, they've gotten competitively better, tremendously. And it's a lot of them that are playing in NBA now, for us to go up there and lose and losing, we send our best.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
They would never.
J.R. Smith
Everybody on the team was an all star.
Shannon Sharpe
But here's the thing. Swish. And people like, well, and. And. And. And the world is catching up because they have a lot more players from Serbia, Slovenia, and all these places. But everybody on the air on the American team is in the NBA. Not every Serbian is in the NBA. Not every Slovenian, not every. A Brazilian, not all the other. The Freddy the Greek whomever. All of those players that's on that team aren't in the NBA, right? Every last one of those guys that was on the NBA in the Olympics, guess where they playing.
J.R. Smith
There's a few of those dudes on the other teams who got regular jobs, like they Masons that had at the crib. They cutting off road work or something at the crib. Nah, dog. Everybody on the. Everybody on the USA team, not only was they playing in the NBA, they was a. They're all star. Star, all star dog. If you lose that. Could you imagine? Oh, no. Oh, no.
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In Katie three years with Golden State, they won back to back titles which could have been a three peat had he not been for Katie's injury. When asked who's the best shooter with the game on the line, Lou Williams picked KD over Steph as the best clutch shooter. He's got everything. He's got a deep, deep Santa bag. Swish.
J.R. Smith
You agree Steph over kd? I think yeah. I mean, you know, he picked.
Shannon Sharpe
He picked KD over Steph. I'm asking you, do you agree with Lou Will or do you say Steph is the best clutch shooter with the game on the line?
J.R. Smith
I mean between the two, I would have to go Steph because I think to me I've seen Steph hit more. Go ahead. Buckets and big bigger buckets.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, that what he hit against OKC on that Saturday night from.
J.R. Smith
From about 40 and brought them from that they was down 3:1.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, that was. Oh, and plus Clay. That was also the night that Clay had 11 made threes in that playoff game. But when Steph hit that, I was like. And you can see him Like, I was like, I know damn well this man ain't going to line this thing up up. And I've been jail.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
He landed, landed right up.
Shannon Sharpe
And that's what, what you call him. Mike Bridget.
J.R. Smith
Bang bang. I ain't gonna lie, bro. He buddy, he's cold. I, I, I used to hate him. I ain't gonna lie. Him and Clay, I used to, I used to hate him. Like, I, and I was cool with him at one point. We played golf together, went to CP wedding together. We had a good old time, everything. And then out of nowhere we get in this situation where we playing against each other and the finals, consistent. I'm like, man, I hate this little dude, dog. I hate. And I know he hate me at the time for sure, bruh. And I tell you like, I, I, you can't do nothing but tip your hat at the end of the day. It's competition, but damn, that motherfucker good, dog. He both and that thing and the thing.
Shannon Sharpe
But swish. You know this as being a shooter to run as much as he's running and still have the capacity, the cardio capacity to put that shot up and to go from one side to the other and the one side to the other. I mean, Reggie Miller ran off picks, but Damn, Steph running 2, 3, 4 miles, they seemed like a damn game and still have the ability to catch and fire and shoot with the consistency and the accuracy and the distance in which he's shooting it from.
J.R. Smith
I think to a lot to the credit that you was just giving. One of our other dudes is kind of like built like a wide receiver. Steph is actually one of the strongest guards I've ever played against. He's not, he ain't frail. Like, he's not frail. He's very strong. He, he can, he's throwing people off. Like he can get to where he got to get to and he has enough strength to get, get it there. But it's like, you look at it, it's just like, oh, he flopping or he's doing this just, just. Cause off of the way the game is quote, unquote, quote called in the way it's played now, but dude is strong as hell. I'm not gonna lie. Like, he's definitely he, you got to give him credit on the miles and, and being able to continuously run and move and stuff like that, but he's strong as hell, man. So when you coming off those screens, you got strong hands. He ain't thinking about much. But all I gotta do is see where the target is at.
Shannon Sharpe
Man. It's being reported. Jason Tatum avoid Steve Curran instantly walks off the court after the loss. You think they could ever be cool? Swish.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Hell no.
J.R. Smith
I mean, I think so. I think they will. Just because it's like, it's. It's not really that. It ain't that serious. But at the end of the day, to me, it's like, why do that now? Like, you already, you already made it this like, nah, it ain't that big of a deal. I'm sacrificed for the team. We want to go. I'm happy. Da da da, da da. But then you want to make a scene during the year, you just walk like to me, you shake the man hand, dog. You lost, you won. Whatever the case was, it wasn't no bad blood then, right? So it shouldn't be no bad blood now in the public eye. And if it was bad blood, you should have addressed it when it happened. But now you just giving me too many different sides. Like, I don't know how to take it.
Shannon Sharpe
I know how to take it. I told Ocho at the time, Ocho told me, you think? I said, man, that man got pride. That man done been a three time all the first team, all NBA player. He been an all star game mvp. Done been to all these all star games. He won the title. And you mean to tell me you treating that man like he the 12th or 13th man on a regular roster? Oh, hell yeah. That man, that man got prop.
J.R. Smith
But my thing is, do you think it bothers him or do you think somebody people getting in his ear to where it should bother him?
Shannon Sharpe
Both.
J.R. Smith
I mean, I think it should bother him, but I don't really think it bother him like that. Like, I don't think it puts him in a position to where like. Like a, like he want that. Like that smoke?
Shannon Sharpe
No, but here's the thing though. Swish. It's almost like, you know how some guys on a team and you win the ring and they don't really contribute?
J.R. Smith
Hell yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
When people go back and look. When people go back and look at it, what you think they're gonna say about Jason Tatum and that in that 2024 redeem. Redeem team, he ain't do nothing.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
That's exactly what it is.
Shannon Sharpe
You know what they gonna say? Switch that man. That man got two dmp.
J.R. Smith
That's definitely Jason Tatum. I don't actually see to me, that's what like for me, I would be upset. I would be. I would be more upset and I would have voiced it like, I'm not happy, Brandon. We won, and I'm happy for the team, but I feel as though I should be playing in this situation. But now you making it like, I don't. I don't mess with dude after you already told people you rock with dude. Like, that's what. Like, what are you doing?
Shannon Sharpe
Well, he said when they asked him about his wish, he said it was definitely humbling. You know, when a guy saying something is humbling, you know, he feels experience.
J.R. Smith
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, this a humbling experience. Like, all right.
Shannon Sharpe
Swish. When the last time you think Jason takes him didn't play in a game that he was healthy to play?
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Probably, yeah.
J.R. Smith
I'm about to say, nah, probably not in elementary, bro. Yeah, it might have been elementary when his dad probably held him out. Probably like, nah, you ain't playing today because you did something, like, wrong or something. Like, that's the only time.
Shannon Sharpe
But he's. Yeah. It's hard for me to believe that he's. He's ever not been the best player or the second best player on the team. It's hard for me to see any other scenario switch.
J.R. Smith
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I. I find that hard to believe that he's. He's definitely not one or two.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
J.R. Smith
But even on that team.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes. So. But I'm saying. But I'm saying to not think about it. Swish. This, man. They play what they play 40 minutes and he didn't play. Play a single minute.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Think about it. Even when we didn't get a blowout, we look, hey, we up because there are some games. Hold on, let me see what she's got. We beat. Hello. Ashley took it down, but I was. I was looking. We beating some team, like, 122 to 87, 115 to 83. And you mean to tell me you couldn't find no minutes in there for you?
J.R. Smith
Well, at that point, it's disrespectful. You're not going to throw buddy in there for a minute and a half and like that. Like, you can't do.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, you don't. Hey, you don't know me the whole game, so you might as well just keep.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah, the disrespect is already done.
Shannon Sharpe
You done pooped on the man the whole game, so if you pee on his foot, it ain't that bad. Swish.
J.R. Smith
That's tough. That's tough. I. I'll be hot, bro. I'm. I don't know. So let me ask you this. Who would you rather be? The show. Would you rather be JB and not get picked?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yeah. But they had already. They had already chosen the roster before he went on this hot streak. Before you won Eastern Conference player, Easter Conference MVP and won the. The final. Before he won the Lab Bird Award, before he won the Bill Russell Award. They had already. Now, okay. Oh, I know what you're saying. You said when Kawhi got. When Kawhi got left out, bring jb. But it seemed like, who? Who?
J.R. Smith
His teammate, Derek White.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
J.R. Smith
Oh.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah. Damn.
J.R. Smith
You get final. You get not only Easter Conference mvp, you get Finals mvp, you win the chip. Your man is on the COVID of 2K. He get. He just signed for both of y'all sign for the bag. But then you don't even get picked. Yeah, I don't know. I'd rather be Jason Tatum. At least I got a pick.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but I was. I'm trying to think. Did I. I thought they might, but I was like, when you look at it, okay, they got LeBron, they got KD, Jason Tatum, right? Who's the. Who's the. Who's the other. Who's the other three or the four that they could. That they had on the table team? Because Derrick White was a guard. Holiday was a guard, Steph was a guard. Ant man with a guard. So you have four guards. Okay. You got Embiid, you got AD or your two bigs. Did they have another big Bam. So, yeah, so that's it. So that's seven. You got 10. So you got two bowl, you got two both. So you got book.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah, you forgot book.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Hey, Halliburton.
J.R. Smith
Halliburton. Gotta go. You gotta go. He gotta go.
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. You gonna cut the bad. You already the man that went through all that.
J.R. Smith
What you mean? Hey, dog, he to do a class project to sit in the back like, hey, yo, we got an A. Cool word.
Shannon Sharpe
He got a. He.
J.R. Smith
He got no participation. No, I can't say he did. No participation. You showed up for practice. Practice. He gave good. After the practice. He gave the schemes.
Shannon Sharpe
He. He brought the car, he brought the cardboard. You know, you got this one kid that bought. The parents got money, and they said, everybody, cardboard, paper.
J.R. Smith
He got all that, for sure.
Shannon Sharpe
The NBA suspends Joel and B for three games for shoving Philadelphia Inquirer columnist Marcus Hayes. The altercation stemmed from a column published in October by the Inquirer. That column, written by Hayes, criticized MB for missing games, but mentioned both MB's brother who passed Away tragically in a car accident. And Embiid's young son, who he named after his brother. The story has since been edited to remove mentions of either relative. Hayes will continue covering the Sixers following the incident. Was a three game suspension fair switch?
J.R. Smith
What? Nah. Hell no. No, he like at the end of the day, for real to me, you gotta like, like you gotta draw the line somewhere. If you want to critique me and my game, no problem. You got all of that. You can critique me, you can talk about me, you can talk about my availability, you can talk about my money with my salary, because everybody talking about it anyway. You can talk about my minutes, my shots, all of that. But you talking about my son, you talking about my, my, my dead brother. No, no, no, no. That's where we draw the line, dog. I gotta put hands on. I gotta put the paws on you, dog. Hands and feet straight up. I don't play. We don't play none of that.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Listen, that part, that's part of being a journalist, part of being an analyst. It's one thing to be able to critique, but what he did was. It was, it was in, it was in bad taste. It was in bad taste. You didn't have to go that route. There's a. There's a way to do things and get your point across without doing it that way. He did that on purpose, purposely, to jig and knowing that it would catch headlines and catch fire and it would upset him. He knew that you knew what he ordered. There's a way.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I, but I think I use the term swish. I don't believe that's the cup of water that caused the Atlantic to flood. I believe Marcus Hayes has been writing these articles.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And Joel Embiid has been fed up because what is causing is that the fans in Philly is starting to question him. And you remember swish? He said, said I've done too much for these, for this city, for the fans to be talking. This is like they talking. So you can tell the constant mentioning. Well, damn. When Joel gonna come back? Oh, he just signed a three year deal for like 130. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's been a continuation. Yeah, his health has been an issue. We know Joel Embiid would have been the first pick in the draft had he not had that back issue. And the caveat when you mentioned the Sixers all the time. Time. I'm not saying Marcus Hayes is right, but the caveat is always Joel Embiid's health. If they healthy, they can Make a deep run with Paul, George, Maxie. But if everything is always. Since Embiid has been in the league, everything is contingent on his health.
J.R. Smith
That's. But that. I mean, that's true. Everything is contingent on. From the Sixers standpoint, on Joel's health. There's been like that since. Even when Ben was there, it was like that. But my thing is, yeah, all I've done for the city, what he do? He put up some boys and girls clubs or something around there. What he do? He went to not one fight, but fans don't. He ain't went nowhere where he.
Shannon Sharpe
But swish. That's what a lot of times players don't understand. Although the fans in the community are very appreciative and receptive for what you do. Do they want you to win a title? They'd rather for you to win a title than put up a Boys and Club Girls club. They would rather put you to build a title than give. Give books to a library or something. Because at the end of the day, that's kind of why you're there. Although they're very appreciative of anything that you do outside of that. I don't want people to take. Misconstrue this and say, well, Shannon said no, but the fans are not looking for you to come into a city. City and says, okay, he gonna rebuild the city. Oh, he's gonna all the libraries and all the parks and the playgrounds. He gonna repave the blacktop. Nah, bro. Bring a champion.
J.R. Smith
Last time I checked, Philly is still one of the murder capitals. Like, would you stop violence? You stop guns? Like, what happened? I'm trying to understand, like, all you did for who they paid you a lot of money. What did you do for who? What. What they did a lot for you. Be grateful.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
J.R. Smith
Like, no, let's not get it twisted, bro. Like, this is where I like, for me, where I like. I don't. I don't. I find us in this weird space to where we're entitled. So, like, bro, you're not entitled to anything. You're. You're. You're entitled to scrutiny just like everybody else in this game, but you're entitled to a certain type of scrutiny. So that's where, for me, it draws a line for where to report what the reporter said, because I don't think he deserved that. But you, you don't. You ain't above nothing.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, sometimes I think, sometimes guys do things in the community and it thinks it makes them above criticism.
J.R. Smith
It is not.
Shannon Sharpe
I Don't care what I don't. Hey, you see, LeBron could build an I promise school, but if you don't play well, the fans are going to be upset and the writers are going to write stuff. Stuff that's not. That's not flattering. And that's their job. I can't. I can't look past what. He built the school. He played bad. So since he built the school, I can't say anything negative. Sweet.
J.R. Smith
Just don't tell me you did this out of the goodness of your heart, because that's not why you did it. You. You did this out of credibility down the road. Like I can get away with some. Like, all right, cool. Like I can skate. Like. No, that's not why you did it. You did it out of the goodness of your heart, right? So let's keep it that right.
Shannon Sharpe
So you said it's too. It was excessive, Ocho. I know you said it was excessive. I'm not surprised. Because you know what, you know Adam Silver and the director of punishment, Joe Dumars, what they're trying to do now, we can. We have to have a level. I understand you might disagree with what he's saying, but we gotta have a lip. We can't have that line crossed.
J.R. Smith
I mean, it sets better precedent. When you look at it as. As far as the organization and the NBA as a whole, it doesn't look good in totality. But at the end of the day, you gotta have these people like the reporters gotta answer to something.
Shannon Sharpe
You gotta realize these are people now. They got feelings, they got emotions. Just cause people see people think swish. And Ocho, you know, we. You and I have talked about this. Just because you make a lot of money, money, you ain't got no feelings now. You should be able to take everything. No matter what somebody say, somebody paying you 30, 40, 50, $60 million, man, if somebody will pay. It's easy for you to say that. It's easy if a person making 25000 or 50 000. But I tell you what, you ain't gonna let your boss talk to you any kind of way. If you was making 75 000, you making 25. Your boss, all of a sudden you get to raise a hundred thousand. Thousand. You ain't gonna let your boss talk to you. Yes, yes. For a normal person, if you put him in a situation, yeah, you would take more getting 60 million. But would you take more in your end, put it, frame it in your thing. You make 20, you make 50,000, you make 75 your balls. You get a raise to 125. You feel your boss or somebody can say whatever they can, they want to say to you stupid mf.
J.R. Smith
You stupid B. They can talk to you any kind of way. Way. No, sir. No, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
No, no.
J.R. Smith
Hell yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You know.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
You know what's funny? You know what's funny? Bosses and those in positions of power know who to play with like that anyway.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
You know who you can get away with being slick at the mouth.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
You know, and I guarantee, I know in B won't have no more issues with that reporter writing anything crazy or nobody else.
Shannon Sharpe
No, no, no, no, no. And I think the thing is, that's why, you know, sometimes you just say, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and go and exit stage left. Yeah, because you only go. You only go to a. Because like my grandfather say, boy, if you gotta always keep being the bigger man, you hanging with too many small people. I'm not gonna keep letting you take your damn sh. And you keep taking the shot, keep taking the shots. And you talk about, hey, oh, no, that ain't a part of nothing. Cause I ain't taking. I ain't taking no shots at nobody. And then I was just supposed to sit there and take it? Why, man, please, let me just go ahead. Hey.
J.R. Smith
I ain't gonna lie. Me and my.
Shannon Sharpe
I might let him one. I might let one or two of them slip. But like I said, I was very, very, very clear there with high expected. Can I treat people how I want to be treated, Ocho? I do.
J.R. Smith
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And if. If I don't, my thing is switch. I don't know how you operate, but if I don't rock with somebody, it ain't no man. I wonder if I may not. What if he rocked with me, man, I would. You know, I ain't in your face. I ain't in your circle. Hey, I'm over here, you over there. I'm going my way. I don't mention your name. Hopefully you don't mention mine. We cool now.
J.R. Smith
We're not cool. But all that, we straight.
Shannon Sharpe
No, you don't. No, we cool. I'm talking about I. I mean, he, you, you, you decide. I'm Antarctica, you the South Pole. We cool, right?
Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
That's it. I'm just trying to figure out why people feel they got to talk. Oh, talk. Just Cause, you know, you could talk to somebody any kind of way. Nah, man, them just words. Okay, well, go get a word to somebody else, because I ain't about that man. Man.
J.R. Smith
All the I'm just gonna fail boxes and find you in a bad situation. I'm telling you right now.
Shannon Sharpe
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
That's a really long time to perfect that smoky fl.
Shannon Sharpe
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Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Matter of fact, you could fly from Miami to the Bay Area and the Bay Area back. And that's the same 12 hours Oscar Meyer smokes their delicious bacon.
Shannon Sharpe
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Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay - Nightcap
Episode Title: Nightcap - Hour 1: LeBron & Lakers 4-4, Kerr & Tatum Drama, Joel Embiid Suspended
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guest(s): J.R. Smith, Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)
Release Date: November 7, 2024
In this episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe delves deep into the current state of the NBA, focusing on the Los Angeles Lakers' performance, the ongoing drama between Steve Kerr and Jayson Tatum, and the recent suspension of Joel Embiid. Joined by former NBA star J.R. Smith and former NFL player Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco), the conversation offers insightful analysis, personal anecdotes, and unfiltered opinions on the hot topics in basketball.
Timestamp: 08:12
Sharpe initiates the discussion by critiquing the Lakers' recent performance, highlighting their 4-4 record. He points out the team's struggles, particularly emphasizing the inefficiency from the three-point line:
Shannon Sharpe [08:12]: "I don't think the Lakers have great three-point shooting. I think they got streaky shooters. LeBron is streaky... If you don't match their intensity from the three-point line, the team is going to pull away."
J.R. Smith agrees, attributing some of the Lakers' woes to their lackluster bench performance and the absence of reliable role players:
J.R. Smith [09:04]: "To me, I would like out if I... having a firecracker off the bench is crucial. You need someone who can bring energy and scoring when LeBron and AD are resting."
Timestamp: 10:51
Sharpe underscores the necessity of a strong bench, especially when star players like LeBron James and Anthony Davis are not able to maintain extensive minutes:
Shannon Sharpe [10:51]: "You have to get your bench to average somewhere between 25 and 30 points. Without that, maintaining competitiveness becomes nearly impossible."
J.R. Smith elaborates on the importance of bench players who can seamlessly integrate with the starting lineup, ensuring continuity and energy throughout the game:
J.R. Smith [12:00]: "Cohesiveness and rhythm with your starters are key. Without a reliable sixth man, the team lacks depth and resilience."
Timestamp: 19:33
The conversation shifts to LeBron James' enduring legacy and the immense pressure that accompanies his name:
Shannon Sharpe [19:33]: "Every time LeBron touches the court, the expectation is to be to the Finals. It's easy to forget that he's closer to the end of his career, yet the expectations remain sky-high."
J.R. Smith reflects on the psychological toll of such expectations:
J.R. Smith [21:19]: "As a player, you feel that pressure. Even after winning rings, the scrutiny doesn't fade. It's about legacy and continuous performance."
Timestamp: 68:46
A significant portion of the discussion centers on Joel Embiid's three-game suspension due to an altercation with a Philadelphia Inquirer columnist, Marcus Hayes. Sharpe questions the fairness of the suspension, especially considering the personal nature of Hayes' comments:
Shannon Sharpe [68:46]: "Joel Embiid has been fed up with fans questioning him. Criticizing his availability and personal life crosses a line that shouldn't be tolerated."
J.R. Smith vehemently supports Embiid, emphasizing the inappropriateness of targeting personal tragedies:
J.R. Smith [69:17]: "You can critique my game, my shots, but talking about my son or my deceased brother? That's where we draw the line."
Chad Johnson adds that while journalists have a role in holding players accountable, there's a distinction between professional critique and personal attacks:
Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco) [70:24]: "Critiquing performance is one thing, but invading personal grief to make a point is excessive and in bad taste."
Timestamp: 40:27
The tension between Lakers' coach Steve Kerr and Celtics' star Jayson Tatum becomes a focal point, especially in the context of team dynamics and Olympic commitments. Kerr defends his decisions regarding player rotations during the Olympics, leading to public backlash:
Steve Kerr [40:34]: "We've got 12 Hall of Famers, and we just committed to winning."
J.R. Smith comments on the challenges Kerr faces in balancing team chemistry with individual player contributions:
J.R. Smith [65:13]: "They talked about doing whatever it took to win the gold medal, but how you don't even find minutes for a player like Jason Tatum is baffling."
Timestamp: 47:24
Sharpe and Smith discuss the indispensable roles of star players like LeBron James and Steph Curry in their respective teams' successes. They highlight the difficulty of maintaining team performance without these key figures:
Shannon Sharpe [47:24]: "LeBron is the most all-around best player on his team. Without him, the dynamics change completely."
J.R. Smith adds that the synergy between stars dictates the overall team performance:
J.R. Smith [50:21]: "When you've got LeBron, KD, and Steph on the same team, you have to optimize their roles. If one isn't performing, it affects the entire team's efficiency."
In wrapping up, Sharpe emphasizes the delicate balance teams must maintain between star performance and bench depth to meet lofty expectations. The episode underscores the complexities of managing superstar athletes, media relations, and team chemistry in the high-stakes environment of the NBA.
Shannon Sharpe [78:20]: "If I don't rock with somebody, it ain't no man. We gotta keep our circles tight and focused on winning."
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