Nightcap - Hour 1: Lebron scores 50k points, Lamont Roach joins the show, & do KD and Bud have beef?

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap - Hour 1 Summary

Release Date: March 6, 2025

Hosts & Guests:

• Shannon Sharpe: NFL Legend, 3x Super Bowl Champion, Pro Football Hall of Fame Inductee
• Chad Johnson: Co-host and former NFL player
• Lamont Rose Jr.: Professional Boxer and Guest

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1. LeBron James Achieves a Historic Milestone

The episode kicks off with a celebration of LeBron James reaching an unprecedented milestone in his NBA career.

Key Points:

• LeBron James becomes the first player to score 50,000 career points (regular season and postseason combined).
  • Regular Season Points: 41,871
  • Postseason Points: 8,162
• Oldest Conference Player of the Month: LeBron was named the Western Conference Player of the Month, averaging 29.3 points, 10.5 rebounds, and 7 assists per game.
• Chad Johnson's Personal Tribute:
  • Quote [10:40] Chad Johnson: "LeBron sent me the 50k ball. He signed it for me. It means a lot to me, to my family."
  • LeBron's gesture symbolizes mutual respect and recognition of hard work.

Discussion Highlights:

• Shannon Sharpe emphasizes LeBron's longevity and consistent excellence, comparing his career to legends like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant.
• Chad Johnson reflects on the emotional significance of receiving the signed ball from LeBron, expressing gratitude and admiration.

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2. Lamont Rose Jr. Discusses His Recent Fight and Future Plans

The conversation shifts to the boxing ring, featuring an in-depth discussion with Lamont Rose Jr. about his recent fight and aspirations.

Key Points:

• Recent Fight Outcome: Lamont Rose Jr. fought to a majority draw against a formidable opponent.
• Fight Strategy:
  • Rose utilized a defensive approach, confident in his ability to counterattack.
  • Emphasized preparation and familiarity with his opponent’s tactics.
• Rematch Clause: Rose has an immediate rematch clause in his contract, expressing eagerness for a rematch in July.
• Future Fights:
  • Interested in fighting top contenders like Terence "Lomachenko", Teofimo Lopez, and Shakur Stevenson.
  • Open to moving up weight classes if advantageous for unifying titles.

Notable Quotes:

• Lamont Rose Jr. [28:20]: "The fight went exactly how we planned it to go."
• Shannon Sharpe [44:17]: "Lamont, you’re moving up from super featherweight to lightweight. Were you afraid that moving up might rob you of some of the pot?"

Discussion Highlights:

• Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson delve into the challenges of maintaining peak performance and the importance of strategic weight class decisions.
• Lamont Rose Jr. shares insights on his training regimen, fight preparation, and the mental aspects of boxing.

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3. Addressing Tensions: KD and Coach Bud's Interaction

A brief segment touches upon visible tensions between Kevin Durant (KD) and Coach Bud, shedding light on team dynamics.

Key Points:

• Public Interaction: KD and Coach Bud had a heated exchange intercepted during a game, sparking media speculation.
• KD’s Statement:
  • Quote [62:48] KD: "Sometimes my way ain't the way that Bud want to do it, and vice versa. We are competitive as two individuals who want to see things done the right way."
• Shannon Sharpe’s Analysis:
  • Highlights the complexity of player-coach relationships and the impact of external perceptions on team morale.
  • Emphasizes the importance of mutual respect and effective communication within the team.

Discussion Highlights:

• The hosts discuss the nuances of competitive relationships in professional sports, drawing parallels to their own experiences.
• Shannon Sharpe underscores the necessity of maintaining professionalism and respect, even amidst disagreements.

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Conclusion

The episode of Club Shay Shay: Nightcap - Hour 1 offers a multifaceted look into the worlds of sports excellence and personal achievement. From celebrating LeBron James's historic scoring milestone to exploring the strategic and emotional aspects of professional boxing with Lamont Rose Jr., Shannon Sharpe and his guests provide deep insights into dedication, resilience, and the pursuit of greatness. Additionally, the brief discussion on KD and Coach Bud's interaction underscores the intricate dynamics that drive team success.

Key Takeaways:

• Dedication and Longevity: Achieving and maintaining excellence over an extended period is a recurring theme.
• Strategic Planning: Whether in basketball or boxing, thoughtful strategy and preparation are crucial for success.
• Respect and Communication: Healthy relationships and effective communication within teams are essential for overcoming challenges and achieving collective goals.

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Notable Quotes:

• Chad Johnson [10:40]: "LeBron sent me the 50k ball. He signed it for me. It means a lot to me, to my family."
• Lamont Rose Jr. [28:20]: "The fight went exactly how we planned it to go."
• KD [62:48]: "We are competitive as two individuals who want to see things done the right way."

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For those who missed the episode, this summary encapsulates the essence of the discussions, highlighting the remarkable achievements and the thoughtful conversations that drive the narrative forward.

Transcript

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[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, hold on. I got a question. I got a question before we get into the show. And you think Lamont Roach, right? You think he'll fight me if I ask him? Like I'm just before. Before he comes on. I just want to know from you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mean will he beat you? Yes, be who will he beat you?

[Chad Johnson]

You don't have no belief in your co host.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The homie. The homie. Max. Max Maxwell. Got you.

[Chad Johnson]

Brian. No, he got a knockdown. There's a difference. That's a part of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't even touching Lamar. Go putting them punches. You see Lamar, how he putting them punches together on Tank? Imagine you. You not used to seeing punches, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Yes, I am. I've been fighting the past six years. So I'mma ask him. I'mma ask him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Sparring is different than fighting. It's just like somebody else. It's like when somebody go receiver and they go out there and they're not used to how that ball gets up on them quick. They hit them all upside the head.

[Chad Johnson]

That ain't gonna happen to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how them punches hit you all upside your head. But you know what? When he comes on the show, we'll ask him. LeBron James became the first player to score 50,000 career points. When you combine regular season and postseason, he has 41,871 points in the regular season. He has 8,162 points in the playoffs. Ocho. He also became the oldest player to ever be named conference player of the month. He was named Western Conference player of the month. He averaged 29.3 points a game. 10.5 rebounds a game and seven assists. And the Lakers went 12, two in that span. LeBron James, 50,000 career points. The most conference players of the month, most conference players of the week. That's what LeBron James has done.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's what he's done. And he's also done a great thing for me. I know you've been a huge fan. You've been highly respectful of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Complimentary, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, complimentary of what he's done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Complimentary.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, complimentary of what he's done throughout his 22 year career. And listen, I asked a request, I sent a tweet out, and this is, this is the power of Twitter. This is how great Twitter is. I said, Listen, LeBron, can I get that 50,000 point ball when you hit, when you hit that milestone. He didn't respond to me, but he got in touch with Doug. He got in touch with Doug, Doug sent him the address and LeBron sent me the 50. The. The ball. He sent me the ball. Right, but hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not only did he sit here beside it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. He signed it. Let me finish, let me finish. Not only did he send me the ball. Listen, Chat, listen, I'm, I'm trying not to get him. I'm trying not to get emotional. Right? Because something like this, he sent a note with it. And this is what really touched me. This is what it really touched me. Chad, listen to me real quick. This, this means a lot to me. On the note, along with the ball, he said, ocho, I'm passing my 50k, 50k point ball to you. You've been a legend in your own right, and your energy, passion, and love for the game has always inspired me. This ball represents everything I work for. And I want you to have it as a token of respect for your grind and the way you've embraced everything you do. Because nothing is given, everything is earned. I appreciate you. I appreciate you, bro. Keep being great. Love, LeBron. And he signed it for me. You see, you see it say 50k. You see, you put King James.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It seemed like when he spelled James, he almost forgot how to spell his last name.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, that's because he left handed. So it write a little different, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just trying to figure out how you get all these milestones. You got the 40k ball and then you got 50k.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I, I got both of them. I got. Hey, LeBron, I know you're gonna see this, boy. Listen, I appreciate you and I, I promise I won't get emotional, but it's hard to hold back Tears, man. Especially for. For you to reach a milestone like this and want to give me the ball, man. That means a lot to me, to my family. And if at any point in life, I doubt it's gonna happen. If I'm ever on hard times, this will definitely come in handy. I love you, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you have a hard time, you go, you go, you go. Give it up.

[Chad Johnson]

I ain't gonna have no choice. True. I ain't gonna have no choice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't got no choice.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, like, like, like a chick on, like a chick on prom night a senior year. Give it right up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You giving it up, Giving it up.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but LeBron, hey, real talk, boy. I love you. I appreciate you. And this is going. This is going in the case. 50K, baby. King James.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know if people really understand what it's like to be great for that length of time.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, basically, since he set foot in the NBA, since he was 18 years old.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's 40 now. Yeah, he's been great. Yeah, he's been great. I mean, you can have all the criticism you could want. I mean, you could nitpick. You want to say, there's a game he should have shot instead of pass, or if you want to say, well, he should have did this instead of that.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But there's no denying his greatness for such an extended period of time. You can book in, you can say, oh, he was great here, he was great there. But you color all in between 18 and 40, and it's colored with greatness.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's remarkable. And I'm not sure we'll ever see it again. Somebody play at this level, I mean, yeah, they're going to be players that, I mean, you could look at Luka. Luka can average what LeBron average can get you. Rebounds and assists. But do we believe Luka's going to be doing this in year 15, year 20? No, probably not. Are we sure somebody else is going to be able to come along, Ocho, and play this long? They might have a stretch, a 8 year, a 10 year, or even a 15 year stretch. But when you extrapolate what he's been able to do for such a long period of time at the level in which he's been able to do it, man, it's a beautiful thing to watch. Like I said, I got an opportunity to watch Jordan his entire career. I watched Kobe his entire career. But this is remarkable what LeBron has been able to do.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And that's why I'm Getting emotional because it means so much to me, especially for a milestone, to achieve a milestone like this and to be willing to give that up, you know, so I could have it. I mean, I don't really never get. You know, I really get gifts people really give me. I'm normally. No, I'm. I'm normally the giver. So to get something like this, man, LeBron, I know you probably watching. I appreciate you, bro, but you're a real one, bro. I don't care what they say about you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It just goes to show you. Can you imagine if LeBron. Cause Luka is really the only guy that LeBron is truly trusted to have the ball exclusively in his hands.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now we go back and say, you know what, if LeBron had somebody he trusted and he didn't have to have the rock in his hand and he can do what he doing now, spot up. He can get to the high point, the high pick and roll or he could whatever, he can flash, he can cut. You see what he's doing at 40.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So imagine LeBron at 25 and 30 and he has a Luka that he doesn't have to worry about setting him up. He doesn't have to worry about running the offense. Luka can do everything that LeBron does and LeBron gets to focus on just this.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What do you think his numbers would have been? So now he doesn't have to worry about facilitating. Now his assist total might be a little lower because he's not going to have the ball in his hand. Primarily that's going to go to Luka, right? But you see scoring and the percentage in which he's shooting. Go back and look at since Luka's arrived. Look at his three point field goal percentage. Look at his field goal percentage. Look at his point total.

[Chad Johnson]

That's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everything has increased because you know what? A lot has been taken off of his plate. Ocho. He doesn't have to worry about facilitating for everybody. He doesn't have to worry about all that other stuff. He can just lay. Luka, you handle that. Let me, hey, let me get like three runouts a game, right? Let me get a couple of dives to the baskets. I hit a couple of threes, hell, that damn near 20 right there. But it's been unbelievable to watch. And like I said, I'm old enough to remember a lot of the great players. I saw Magic never saw. I saw magic in person one, but most of the time, I mean, to see Bird and Magic and Akeem and All these great players and now the Steph Curry, the KD's and all that stuff to see these guys play. LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, I don't think we're going to see somebody else get 50,000. Ocho, I really don't.

[Chad Johnson]

50,000 right now, plus Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here's what we're saying. We're under the assumption, huh, we're under the assumption that he stops playing. Who's to say this thing is not going to be 52, 53,000?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he can keep going, especially with Luka at the helm now. You know, Luka could take. Take all the pressure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He could easily play another two, three.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He could easily play another two to three years. Yeah. The question is, he says, keeping his mind sharp because he's been so to that routine. And I don't believe Savannah is putting the pressure on, like, hey, baby, you need to come home, blah, blah, blah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He like, no, because you like, hey, bro, I know what you like. When you. When you home, he gonna be moody as hell. So I can see LeBron legitimately, Ojo. I can see him playing another two to three years, and I wouldn't be surprised if that were to happen. But at the level that he's playing at, he's playing at extremely high level, and it's great to see Ocho. Beanie Buss says Anthony Davis wasn't happy. We have lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs, and we really didn't have anything that was going to look different going into the playoffs. Again, Anthony Davis was complaining about where he's being played, and he wasn't happy. So I think this was a positive for both teams. They got what they were looking for, and we got what we were looking for. Ocho, do you believe that was fair for Jeannie to say?

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, no, I mean. Well, kind of. Kind of to give him a reason, remember?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you like. You like for people to be honest. You like for people.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, I like for him to be honest. That was very transparent. That is why. That's why the deal was made. Listen, 8080 wasn't happy. Obviously. He didn't show any type of emotion. He didn't. He didn't show that. Any signs of him being unhappy, especially on the court. He went out there and did what he was supposed to do. But if you. If you're not happy and you keep things behind closed doors internally, this is what you get. They give you your wish. Now you got your wish. Just so happened that Luka became available and it worked in the Lakers favor. Okay, you not happy? Look, we gonna do your solid young bull. We're gonna send you over to Dallas and Luka gonna come over here and both parties are happy. I'm sure, I'm sure he's happy now. Well, I mean, outside of being injured. Outside of being injured.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me and I'm try to be like. AD wasn't asking you to go get in Joel. And be the Nicole Jokic.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just give him an able bodied person so he can slide to the four a little bit. And then the last five minutes of the game, I'll play the five.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

He don't like the look at AD's best years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had it with boogie. Yeah, Boogie was at the five.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

AD was at the four. If you go back and look at Javale McGee at the five, Dwight Howard at the five, AD at the four. But when it came down to crunch time, AG slid, AD slid to the five. And a lot of times LeBron was the four man. But he played the point. That was OJ. But here the. Here's the kicker, Ojo. In order for this deal to get consummated, AD had to waivers, no trade clause.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everything she's. Everything Jeanie Buss said could be true.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But considering the man could have held this thing up and Nico probably takes this deal to somebody else, just keep that behind closed doors, okay?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, listen, at this point, this is good. Maybe we get more owners being transparent and being honest and coming out and saying, well, this individual wasn't happy. So we granted them exactly what they wanted. And ain't nothing wrong with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It probably was. It's hard for me now. It's hard for me to see a scenario, Ocho, where this wasn't conveyed to them at some point in time, in the process, ahead of time. Yes, I'm gonna come. When he was at the Pelicans, right? Yes, for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause if you go back, if you go back and look at it, they had Javale McGee and Dwight Howard, right? AD's first year there, they won the championship. And you blow that up. Why would you not. And I get it. I mean, like I said, I don't think AD was asking for a. I need a top five center. He just needs somebody that could eat up the minutes so he doesn't wear himself down trying to bang with Yoke, trying to bang with Embiid, trying to bang with those big bodies. Let those guys. Now the Last five minutes. I got you, right? Don't even worry about it. I got you the last five. Let me at it. I don't really think. I don't really think that's a bad thing to say. Yeah, he said it on several occasions his last interview. I don't know if it was Dave McMenamin or Sean's, but he said, you know, hey, I would like to have a five. I think that's all we missing five. Let me slide the four. The last five minutes of the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I grind in the paint.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I just think the thing is, for me, me personally, like I said, hey, everybody's entitled toward their opinion. I think with AD being as class as he was. Cause he could have held it up and said, no, I ain't waving my trade clause. I came to la, I'm gonna stay in la. And then now Luca, maybe somewhere else or the trade doesn't happen. Now you get a bona fide superstar for the next 10 years in Luca. So like I said, I just some situations. Ocho, it is okay. It is okay for you to just sit on the truth. It doesn't hurt anybody if she keeps this. Ocho, is anybody harmed if she keeps this? Because the way she says it, it makes it seem like, well, we were kind of looking to trade AD because he was starting to complain and it started to become an issue.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see what I'm saying? I just think a situation like that just sit on that information, you know, it's. And that's, hey, that's how you feel, right? Got no problem with that. But it's okay if everything is not. Is not brought up. Everything is not mentioned because AD has played well. Yeah, he's been, he nicked a couple of times. I mean, but. And it ain't no harm in losing to you. Talk about one of the great players. It's going to all see when it's all said and done. We'll see what Nicola Jokic ranked. But y'all make it seem. Who the hell y'all think I mean, the Lakers put some, put somebody out every year. The Celtics were putting people out every year. George was putting people every year. When it's all said and done, Jokic going to be going to be up there. He has three MVPs in a four year span. He's probably going to finish second this year. Who's to say he doesn't win another one or another two or wins another championship. So losing to Nikola Jokic ain't bad.

[Chad Johnson]

Bad, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's like Toronto said, man, every year man, we we lost to LeBron. Really? That's what y'all feel bad about, losing to LeBron every year, right? A lot of people lost to LeBron or losing to Steph or losing to one of these other great players over extended period of time. There is nothing wrong with that.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Jo fought to a majority draw Saturday night. It doesn't look like he's too pleased with that. And there are a lot of people on social media that actually thought he won that fight. Joining us, Lamont Rose Jr. Lamont, how you doing, bro?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

What's up, man? I'm good, man. Thanks for having me. I feel real good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, thanks for having. Thanks for joining us. Take us through Saturday night. You go into that fight, you move up £5, you're 135 and you move up and you're feeling. I mean, everybody's letting man know he got no chance. Tank told you a couple of days earlier he gonna, hey, you not going the distance. Y'all shake very little, 250, whatever the case may be, you go into that fight, you know, Tank's a slow starter, builds up as the fight progresses. Know he's trying to land hook to the body, come up top with it. What was your process? What were you going into that fight? How did you want to fight? And did the fight turn out the way you thought it would?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Well, honestly, yeah. The fight went exactly how we planned it to go, honestly. You know, we familiar with him. We've been familiar with him. We just knew it was a matter of time for everything to fall into play. And back to the whole everybody not giving me a shot, saying I'm gonna get knocked out and all this and all that. I know what I'm capable of and I know what I can do. Like, they just, in a nutshell, they had me totally messed up. Especially when he bet me saying he was gonna stop me. What do I do? I told him himself. I said, you tripping. I said, I don't know what got into your head These last couple minutes, few days, whatever the case, you tripping, you know you not gonna do that. Dude, I don't even know why I told him. I said, I know you know you not gonna do that. Cut it out.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, listen, when you talk about. You're very familiar with them, and I understand you and your team, you went into the fight with a game plan. Is it familiarity, the fact that you guys probably trained together in the past, or you've been in camp together in the past, you sparred together? Is that why you were so familiar in whatever game plan your team did have and were able to execute? Is that why it went so well?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I mean. Yeah, it's one of the many reasons why it went so well. Even though we were kids, you know, some of them traits, characteristics and just ways of a man grew with him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

So, you know, some of the. Some of, like, some of the dirty tactics, I knew that he, you know, revert to that when that pressure built up, when somebody that was there that wasn't scared of him or somebody was there that was there to return fire. And you know what I'm saying, he ain't been in the ring in his professional career. He hasn't been in the ring with something like that or something like that accountable, what I got, right?

[Chad Johnson]

So what I thought, obviously, watching the fight, and when I look at all his tape fights, most of the time, obviously he starts slow. And then round five, six, he starts to pick it up a little bit. And by the time as he's picking it up, normally his opponent is deteriorating. The condition ain't where it's supposed to be. But I'm looking at you. They get to round six and seven, and he coming forward, and you ain't even. You're not even moving. So at that point, y'all mid range, you sitting in the pocket. And most of the time, when he hits somebody, they retreat. But you get. You took one to give one. I'm like, buddy boys, he boy coming at it.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm like, so did the power not affect you in any way where you didn't really care? Where you just sat in the pocket with him in exchange? Because most of the time, I mean, you gotta be cautious. You gotta be cautious because when throwing punches, you know you got a chance to get hit. You know, when you letting go, did you not care at all, or did you feel his power early and really, one word about it.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

So it wasn't that I wasn't. I wasn't caring. I was cautious, like you said. I was cautious, but the defense. The defense is there. And the confidence was through the roof. And I got a chance. You can keep a spade, a spade, like, you know what I'm saying? I see why he knocked people out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I'm not gonna say the power is overrated, but it. I. I've been in there with guys who could punch. I mean, like, with guys who could punch. So it's like, it's nothing. It was nothing new to me. I've been in there with middleweight champions. I've been in there with junior middleweight champions. I mean, like, as they were champion in their prime and stuff like that. So it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was confident in what I could do defensively, and if I get hit, I know, I know I was gonna give it right back.

[Chad Johnson]

Right? So listen, in the ninth round, I'm sorry, you know, I get excited about boxing. I don't mean to take over. Listen, hey, young bull. In the ninth round, you know, Javante took a knee. Obviously, there's some controversy behind that. It wasn't ruled and knocked down by the referee. I've never seen that ever. And in my years of watching, you know, watching boxing enjoy, enjoying the sport of combat sports in general, did that moment impact your strategy for the remainder of the fight?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I'm gonna say no, and let me tell you why. Yeah, the simple fact that he took the knee is it was really a boost because it's like, all right, all right. What we doing is working. We know that he looking for something. It should have been a knockdown one. So that's why I'm yelling at the referee, like, keep counting. Like you tripping. Keep counting. That's a knock knit. Because if y'all didn't notice, he started to count. He started the count.

[Chad Johnson]

He did cut it, and then he stopped.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yes, he stopped.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

So when we. When he resumed the action, I'm like, what you doing?

[Chad Johnson]

Keep counting.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Like, you can't do that.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

So. And then it wasn't even registering or processing through my mind the other rules.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

To the simple fact that he could have got disqualified for having his corner come up to the ring and assist him doing the round or wiping his face. You can't do that. Or he can't turn his back on the. Like, during the fight. That's cause for. That's the wave at all. He took a knee and then turned it around and went to the corner. A breath or usually turn it turn, stop the fight.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, I ain't know that I'm watching you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A lot of times when people hit Tank, like Ocho was saying, they retreat. But it seemed like you had a strategy, like, if he hit me, I'm gonna hit his ass back just as hard as many times as he me. And I don't think he expected you to return the kind of five that you returned because you wobbled him a couple times. And I'm not so sure that I've seen Tank wobble. Like, when you caught him a couple of times and you was getting through the guard, I mean, hey, normally a southpaw fighter, that lead right is a home run right down, and it's right down Broad Street. And you kept touching him with it, for sure.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

It was one of the. It was one of the many things that we trained for. Obviously, he happy go lucky with his left. And they've been working for his whole career. He's been knocking these dudes out. So, you know, we've been training, we've been sitting on the left, being able to. Working on countering, working on, you know, being able to block and come back. And we had some pretty fast guys and then we had some pretty strong guys that I had to, you know, switch rounds with every, like, you know, every sponsors. So, you know, we was ready, we was prepared. And like you said, them dudes wasn't really, really cracking him back. And I was really throwing that fire at him. And the accuracy was really. Probably pissed him off, too. And the fact that I was busy, it's like, all right, this ain't stopping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought you did an unbelievable job of keeping the pace up. Like Ocho said, he's a guy that likes to start slow, so he has some energy reserve. So when he comes out from five through 12, he's like, I got a lot left. I know. Hey, I ain't really spent no gas. Hey, I just been coasting. I've been on electric mode now. I got fire. I got this gas in the tank I'm going to unleash. But it meant you met fire with fire. And I've heard Floyd say that, like, when he went into a fight, he never watched tape on the guy that he was fighting. He left that up to his corner to watch the fight and then tell him instructions. He would take all that information, and then once he got into the ring, blah, blah, blah. Do you watch fight? Do you. When you going against a fighter, do you watch them or you leave that up to your corner to watch and then give you an instruction to what you should do?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I don't watch them a lot. I'm just so, I just so happen to be a boxing fan that the fact that I do watch him fight, you know what I'm saying? Like, I really like boxing. He is, he's just somebody to watch. He's a spectacle. He's a knockout artist, skilled guy, like one of the better pound for pound fighters. I like watching good fights, so I do know some of his tendencies. But, but to study him, not really. I left it up to my dad. But one time, one day, like one day in camp, we did sit down and watch a few of his fights back to back.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, hey, listen, Tank has publicly expressed interest obviously in a rematch. You want a rematch as well? Are you open to immediate rematch or do you have a, you don't need a tune up, but do you have a tune up fight just to keep yourself going or do y'all running right back?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Immediate, immediate. And just to let y'all know, like in, in my contract, immediate rematch was signed. I signed for the immediate rematch. When I signed for the first fight, just in case he lost or just in case it was a draw. So they put that clause in there. They put a rematch clause in there. So I already signed the rematch clause.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, so when you got a rematch clause, how long we taking, how long is the break before you start training again? Is it, is it six months from now?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Is it at the end of the year? It's up to the A side and when they want to fight. So I'm thinking it's gonna be soon. I'm hoping it's gonna be soon. Let's say that.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, I'm saying from a boxing standpoint, as a boxer, what is soon to you? I mean, when you say soon to me, I'm thinking a month. I know that's, I'm thinking July.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't gonna, I'm thinking July.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

So I'm thinking July. I'm thinking July. I'm thinking July for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, but if I'm not mistaken, Lamont, I think I read something that he reached out to Lomachenko side and see if they were interested. Hey, did you see, did you read that also? Did you see that?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I did see that. But you can't, you gotta, you can't believe everything you see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

And if it is, if it is true, then, you know, that'd be funny. But I'm pretty sure the rematch happens and I'm pretty sure that's the next fight for both of us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But let me ask you this, would you be interested? Go Ahead. I'm just. Would you be interested in fighting Lomo or Teofimo Lopez?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Of course.

[Chad Johnson]

Or me?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Oh, hold up, Chad. Hold up, Chad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, put pause on him. Put pause on him.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Hey, Chad. I mean, hey, if. I don't know if you seen me fight Saturday, I really do.

[Chad Johnson]

I was there. I was there. Hey, listen, I've been studying you for years. You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uh.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Oh, okay, I can.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, Listen, I don't have the time, but I could tell you your tendencies right now, round one through seven.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Okay?

[Chad Johnson]

So if we was to get in there as far right now, I could tell you what you're gonna do by looking at your feet. You. When you. When you. When you got your hand down by your hip. I already. And you step forward, you're gonna faint. Know what I ain't gonna do? I ain't. No more keys. But listen, I've been studying you. I know you. So if you want to spot at any point, if you get ready for the next fight, right?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I think I seen you work yourself.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got hands.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got pillows at the end of his life.

[Chad Johnson]

Lamont, listen. No, no, no. Hey, Lamont. Where I'm from, they call me Hella Hands. Yeah, they call me Hella Hands. But listen, I reflected on your performance right in that fight, bro.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I don't.

[Chad Johnson]

Your game plan was phenomenal. Everything you did, you executed from round one all the way to 12 after you have a fight like that and you put on a show like that. What aspects? I mean, like.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Like what's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many.

[Chad Johnson]

How do you improve off of that? Because if they. If you were to grade your performance that night, you get an A plus.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So what do you go back. What do you go back and work on after putting on a goddamn show like that, man?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Just. Just. Just going on. See, my thing is, I always want to get better all the time. No matter if I do have a good performance or not, I just go back and I watch the tape and see what. What he do. Obviously, if whatever he come with the next one, then we just gotta still capitalize. We're gonna add to what works. If it ain't. If it ain't broke, don't fix. But we're gonna just. We're gonna add to it. We're gonna build. We're gonna build. We're gonna build. Might try to, you know, pick it up so we can see if we can get that stoppage or not. You know what I'm saying? Never know. That's how you capitalize. That's how you capitalize.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, well, your condition was on point, bruh.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

It was on point. 15 round fighter, man. 15 round fighter over here, man.

[Chad Johnson]

For real?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yeah, for sure. 13, 14 rounds.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, what time? Or no time.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Nah, what time? For sure. What time?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Cause you know, I did 22 rounds, no clock.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Chad, we gonna get you a camp. Maybe you can get me ready for the rematch.

[Chad Johnson]

A matter of fact, bring me to camp. I ain't gonna charge you. I ain't gonna charge you. I give you. I give you four rounds. I let somebody else go forward, not come back for another four.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Fair exchange, no robbery. I like that.

[Chad Johnson]

I bet, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lamont, will you put pause on this, man?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't beat him up too bad, because I need him. I need it for nightcap. I want him to come back. Talk about slurring. I don't want him to come back talking like the champ.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

He gonna be all right. He gonna be, I think. I think gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't you getting body blows. Don't. Don't hit him on his head. Just get body blows.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. My deep, my defense, my defense is my offense. I ain't gonna get hit.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A lot of times when guys win and they get a rematch, they're like, well, I don't have anything to improve upon. And they run into a problem. Because you had a draw. Do you. Can you go back and say, you know what? In this situation here, I should have did this instead of that and I might have been able to land something? Is that how you go back and approach the fight because you didn't get to win and so you like, well, I didn't get the win. I didn't lose technically, but I didn't win either. And I think as a fighter, you know, draws and ties, that ain't what we do it for. We want to be win. We want to be on the top spot. And because you didn't land on the top spot, you feel that. You know what? Go back and watch this fight through 12 rounds. Maybe if I pick it up through the first three or four rounds, maybe that's a round or two that I win. And we don't even have this discussion at the end because it looked like they gave you round 12. Had you not won round 12, he.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Would have won the fight, which is sad, honestly. So to me, I thought I won the fight. Clearly, I thought I won a close Fight, I thought I won a very competitive fight. I'm not saying I steamrolled him or whatever, but to me, I think I won a fight. Now, granted, ninth round should have been called a knockdown. Two judges on the official scorecards gave him the round 10, nine. If that was a knockdown, I win the round 10, eight, that's a three point swing. I would win. A unanimous decision.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

So you gotta take all of that into account. It's three ways that. It's three things that could have happened in that ninth round alone with that knee, it could have been a 10, eight round, scored a knockdown, it could have been a disqualification, or I could have won by tko. So honestly, when you look at that and you say I gotta draw against the number one spectacle in America, a pound for pound talent and a guy with a 90% knockout ratio, you look at it and like, okay, if you got a draw, more than likely you was supposed to win that night. So even though I didn't get to win, I'm not a moral victory guy. I'm pissed that I didn't win, honestly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, exactly.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I'm pissed that I didn't win, but I really think that, that I should have. A lot of people think that I should have. And the rematch is just going to make it worse for him because I got to rev it up, like you said, I got to do something. I got to do something. I got to pick it up somewhere to turn this around and make it a victory for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lamont, you're moving up from super featherweight to lightweight. Were you afraid that moving up might rob you of some of the pot? Because that's, you know, normally guys that move up, they lose some of the sting. Were you concerned about that or you gonna stay? Are you gonna stay at Superfeather, or are you looking to move up to maybe go 135, 140, even higher?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Now, one thing that 135 gave me is a lot more stinging. I ain't gonna lie. Five less pounds I had to lose. So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what do you normally walk around at Lamont?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Normally, I want to say especially, especially if I'm in the gym. No, no, no. I walk around like 150, somewhere around 150, 149. On a good day, if I'm on vacation, I don't get no higher than 55, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, so you. So I think that works. I think that's one of the things that helped Floyd Mayweather, because Floyd is not a naturally big man. So it was Easy for him to stay at 147. Cause Floyd only walking around at like 155 to begin with. So he going for six, eight weeks. He losing five pounds. That's his sweet spot.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yeah, for sure, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's another thing with you. It's not like you're walking around 165, 160, 165, and you gotta strip down 35, 30 pounds, you only having to come down 10, maybe even 15 pounds at a max. So that's a lot. That's not that drastic. Where you see these guys have to go through this massive dehydration in order to make weight. Because, man, you keep doing that, fluctuating your body, man, it takes something out of you, man.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

It definitely takes a toll on you for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, after a fight like this, how much time do y'all take off? Like, I mean, before you get back in and gradually just start building yourself back, not only in the shape, but just making sure you don't lose that rhythm and consistency.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

It's tough, man. Especially how boxing is today. That's more so like a personal. So me personally, I don't like being out the gym too long. I get cussed out by my, by my doctor because he tell me to take a break. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. So, and I understand because your body, you need to heal, rest. I've been through an eight week training camp and then went through a hard 12 round fight. So, you know, you know, got to get your body together, take some time off. Because when you peak, when you peak and you peak at the right time, and I think I peaked at a certain time Saturday night, it's, you know, it depletes you. So I get a little rest, I get a little rest, probably like two weeks. Then I want to be back in the gym one because I probably get too heavy and I'm like, I don't feel, I don't feel right.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. You don't feel right.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yeah, and I be bored. I normally be in the gym, so.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, right. Where you live at what state?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I live in D.C. okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, I'll make a little trip down there. Man, whenever you get back in the gym and you want to start sparring, I'm gonna come down there and I got, I got a little.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I don't know. I'm a bad man, Chad. I don't know.

[Chad Johnson]

I know. I'm a bad man too. That's what my teacher called me when I was in high school. But listen, I got a Little bit for you, right? We gonna do eight rounds, right?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

We gonna do eight rounds?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, we're gonna do eight. Yeah. If you can. If you can beat me at least four rounds. Now, you know LeBron James, he just scored 50,000 points, right? Yeah. He sent me the ball. If you could beat me, if you can win more rounds than me, I send you this ball he gave me to put up.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I'm calling my dad right now. We'll set that up. We're going to set that up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gonna take that ball up off.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Him, right in the trophy case.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Right in the trophy case.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Right on top of the clothes, as.

[Chad Johnson]

A matter of fact, I'm gonna make it easy for you. I'm only using my jab hand on you.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Oh, man, you giving me. You giving. You giving it away?

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, I mean, listen, I can take what I'm gonna do and still win.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

That's what I do.

[Chad Johnson]

I told you, they called me hella hands.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I'm telling you, you're giving the prize away. LeBron ain't gonna like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, no, you ain't gonna get that. You think I'm gonna lose to you and lose that ball?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Oh, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, let me ask you this, Lamont. After the Tank fight, who would you like to fight after Tank? Are you gonna stay? Are you gonna go? Are you gonna stay? If you. If you go back, if you rematch, you beat tank at 135, are you gonna stay at 135 or slide back down to 130 or go up even to 140?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

It depends on what's available. If the champions at 35 are available, I want to fight them. I want to unify. Obviously, that's good for my career. That's like legacy fights. And on top of that, they big money fights. Money. If they. Not. If they're not available, I would go definitely defend my title at 30 and probably try to unify there, because I can make 30 comfortably. And I feel like I run that division. Like, I probably can even go undisputed if they let me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a lot, Lamont, being a student of the game. I know you heard your dad. You weren't around there, but I know your dad has told you or whomever in your corner about the Four Kings, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Leonard, and how they fought each other and all the top contenders in that they fought him. You go back to the 70s, you look at the heavyweights they fought. Norton fought Ali, he fought Frazier, he fought Shavers, he fought Ali. Nobody duck. Why Is it now Lamont, that we have guys and they want to cherry pick and don't want to take it seemed like. And I love Floyd, but Floyd that 50 0. Because nobody wants to take an ass whipping now because now they feel like my legacy is ruined. I lost the fight. Some of the great fighters, we don't look at Ali because he lost three or four times even when he looked bad fighting Trevor Burbank, Hillary Holmes, we don't hold that against him. We don't hold against Leonard, we don't hold against Hagler, we don't hold against Hearns, we don't hold against nobody. I don't know and I hate that. I love Floyd and I'm glad he's undefeated, but everybody thinks now if I be undefeated, I'm going to be revered like Floyd and it's not going to happen.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

It ain't, it ain't. Floyd is one of a kind fighter, man, any kind of his own. Even if a lot of people do go undefeated and retire undefeated, it's not going to be the same. And it's not going to be the same because Floyd put in this work. Floyd fought them guys when, when he was able. He fought everybody, he fought them guys and he, he earned the, the right to fight who he wanted to, when he wanted to. Whatever the case may be. He that's, that's just a once in a lifetime fighter. I don't know why the guys are not. Well, maybe I do. I'm gonna give you a little scoop. These guys are worried about the money that they can make if they told you if they still have a O on their record, they think that a blemish would knock down the value of their, whatever they have in their contract or whatever they have presented to them, which is, you know, crazy to me. I think if you put on a good enough fight, no matter if you win or lose, the performance is what matters. It's really what matters. So people gonna pay to see you fight? If you fight the good fights. That's what, that's what they gonna pay to see it? Yeah, that's. They gonna pay to see it. That's why pay per view numbers used to be so high, because people are gonna pay. They want to see certain fights, they want to see them fights.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at Mickey, look at Mickey Ward and Arturo Gotti. That was jam packed law. Didn't matter. People still paid big money to see that because they know they were going to get action for sure. But now Lamont guy's like, you know what? Yeah. If I fought Lamont, I can make 15 mil. But if I fight this guy that I know I can whip, I can make 10. So why take the chance for an extra 5 when I can get this can over here and I can whip him for 10? So I just get me a couple. I get me 5 or 10, or give me 5 or 10 or need $10 million fight. Why would I need to take a risk for two of those big fights? No, I don't do that.

[Chad Johnson]

But then you got to think about that. Lamont, I told uncle the other night, we talked about this too, right? Not only do certain people not want to take risks, but you want to build it up until you get to the really, really good fight. So if you got like, you talk about the folk kings back then back in the day, right? And today, if you got the best boxes, right? And if all the best boxers fight each other right now and not have fight after fight after fight and actually build it so people want to actually, actually wanna watch. And you can maximize your pay, that's a little different. Think about how long before Earl and Bud actually fought. Yeah, look how long it took. Look how many fights they had because there was a buildup to it. So from that standpoint, I kind of get it and understand you wanna maximize your pay. You also. Nobody wants to lose, but at some point, they ain't gonna have no choice but to fight each other.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you gotta understand, they gotta be right. But think about it. And Lamont, you know this. Sugar ray went to 160 to flag Hagler. He definitely did.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

He definitely did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He didn't come down. They went to him. And you talking about 130, 135. They went up 2. Sugar Ray was 147, went to 160. Hagler Hearns was 147, went to 160.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

He definitely right about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's middleweight.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

And Ray Ray and Duran started at.

[Chad Johnson]

35, so that he was that small.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yeah, one of the best lightweights to ever do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, a lot of those guys started. Yes, a lot of those guys started there. Ojo, 30, 35, Fort Floyd, 30, 35, 40, 47, and Ford de la Hoya 54. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of them guys. Yeah. And have Pacquiao's an anomaly. Pacquiao started at like 1, 106 and blew through and blew through everything.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Always eight division, eight division champion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not gonna see that. You even. Even when you look at Armstrong, you look at all those guys, nobody's doing this Again, nobody's gonna do that. Yeah, I mean, basically you'd have to start at, say you'd have to start at like 140 and go to heavyweight to try to clean. To try to clean out everything.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Clean house.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If that ain't not happening, that ain't happening at all. Roy wasn't a no. Yeah, Roy went 60, 68, 10 years straight.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Middleweight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If Roy had. Had Roy just stayed there and not stripped the muscle that he put on to go to heavy. Because I think that took a lot out of him. Yeah, that took too much out of him. He probably should have stayed. He probably should have never come back down or just took his time. But Roy won the title, couldn't get nobody else to fight. Gave the title up and came back down. And he wasn't the same after Tarver beat him that one time. He was never the same. Cause he got started getting beat by fighters that Roy would have mopped the floor inside of five rounds with him for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what's next, Tank? I mean, excuse me, what's next, Lamont? What's next after this Tank fight? You say you want to fight whoever the big money fight is. Who? A Lomo, Teofimo, Haynes, Garcia, whoever.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

The champs at 135 right now are Shakur, Keyshawn Davis and Lomachenko.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, good.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

That's, that's who we're going to be looking at after, you know what I'm saying? After. After I beat Tank. After I beat Tank in the rematch, you know, if them guys ain't available, then we gonna go to 30 and defend my 130 pound championship.

[Chad Johnson]

So listen, out of those three you just named, who would you prefer to fight first if you can't get all three? If you had a preference.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

If I had a preference, I don't really got a preference. I would put a blindfold on and pick whichever one. It don't matter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, tell him about whoever owned his ass whipping. That's what I want.

[Chad Johnson]

Who want his ass whipping for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As a matter of fact, I tell you what, I tell you what, Lomo, you gonna get it first, so you gonna get it after I get Tank. When I get Tank, I'm gonna get you at the first of the year. Hey, Shakur. I'm gonna come see you in July. Keyshawn David. Hey, at the end of the year on 27, I got your ass whipping too.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Hey, sound good to me. Yeah, sound real good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, man, I appreciate it. Congratulations. Great fight. It wasn't the outcome that you had hoped for because you trained for eight weeks, had a great camp and you put the time in to win. It didn't go his way. But who knows what's going to happen July, August, when the next fight come around. Wish you the best. And guess what? Come back and join us again when the fight happens and we'll see what happens after that. Lamar, appreciate you.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I will do. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. I'm going to see you in D.C. no doubt. Yeah. Get my contact. We'll bring you out for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Body. Cause he need to talk. So don't hit him in his jaw.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

I don't want him to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's what I want you to do. Yeah. Yeah. Make it like that's what I want. You here with him.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yeah. Make sure I record it, too. We have it on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I need you to do. Record.

[Chad Johnson]

All right. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Appreciate that, everybody. Have a good one, bro. All right.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

You too. Thank y'all, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Yo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, bro. All right.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Lamar Rose Jr. Man, that's unbelievable, man. It was great talking to him. O you have you. That's. That's your thing, boxing your thing.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, that was fun. That was fun. I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was. It's always great to get these guys. You know what? I'mma reach out to Roy because I want to hear what Roy got to think on this. Roy Jones, I'm hit Roy up tomorrow and see if I can get Roy to come on and talk about this fight.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, matter of fact, yeah, that'd be that. No, that'd be good.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

You get wrong here.

[Chad Johnson]

Roy could tell you the stories about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When we so smart, man, you ain't want none of Roy.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I'm saying. No, we. Come on now. You know Roy from down here, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I know.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, me and Roy used to spot when I was in high school. I used to spot with him sometime.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he from. He from the same place Brooks from.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, man, why he quick than a boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Jesus Christ.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he from Pensacola.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you right down Pensacola.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he from D. Brooks and I played with another guy named. Oh, Emmett from Pensacola too.

[Chad Johnson]

Emmy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who? Emmy Smith. Emmy from Pensacola. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Emmy from Pensacola.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Yes. That's Roy. Homeboy. Roy, Emmett. They homeboy for.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, man, I ain't know that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Even from Pensacola.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay. Well, I just learned something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[Chad Johnson]

I used to be piecing Roy ass up. Why? And some days, boy, we got to get Roy on here, man. We talking. We got some good stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We'll get it. Ocho. Kevin Durant and Coach Bud got into it last night. Check this interaction out. Ocho. During the timeout early in the game, Coach budden hoser grabbed KD's arm in an apparent attempt to pull him in for a conversation. But KD pulled his arm away. Then they engaged in a brief animated conversation before parting ways. KD spoke about it after the game. Let's take a listen to what KD had to say.

[H]

Yeah, that's what usually happens when you don't know the dynamics of a relationship. You know, you catch something on tv, you did a quote, and now you pushing that narrative as if me and Bud don't do that shit all the time. We competitive as two individuals who want to see things done the right way. And sometimes my way ain't the way that Bud want to do it, and vice versa. And he allows me as a player on the team, a veteran on the team, to voice my opinion. If I, if we both didn't care, we would never have stuff like that. You know what I'm saying? So I am glad that the wind is going to sweep all that stupid stuff under the rug, because they couldn't. People couldn't wait. Even some people in Phoenix, in here couldn't wait, wait to run with that, you know, and say, oh, this is, this is the reason why the team ain't playing well because of that specific thing. But come on, man, that shows that me and Bud really care about trying to break this trying to win basketball game. So he understands where I'm coming from. I understand exactly where he coming from. It's just people on the outside don't know the dynamics of the relationship. So, you know, in order for them to get some attention, they gonna run with. With stuff like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You heard it?

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He says, hey, sometimes I see things one way. Bud don't see it that way. Sometimes Bud see things one way. I don't see it that way. We have difference of agreement. We have a difference of opinions. And hey, he cares. I care. We trying to get this shit righted. And he's right. I mean, look, that makes it seem like that's never happened before. I've seen coaches and players, they shove each other at all, curse, all that kind of stuff. It happens. You get two animated, testosterone driven men that I believe what I'm saying is right. He believes what he's saying is right. Two people can't be right. Maybe, hey, two things can be true. Maybe you're right and maybe he's right. But at that point in time, we don't see it that way. I want you to see my point of view, right? No, bro, I need you to see my point of view.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I Don't know what happens. But I know KD went crazy in the fourth quarter and they were down 23 and they won the game. That's what I do know.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, the funny thing about it with the Suns. Listen, when you're losing, everything is magnified. When you're losing the way they are, even though they won that specific game, everything is magnified. Unless you played organized sports in a structured environment, you'll never understand that dynamic. You'll never understand it that goes on all the time. Especially when it comes to a player of that magnitude. That's great. And you have a coach and the coach wants to see you do your best, or if you're not playing to your full potential, they gonna get on you just like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

That happens. Not just at the. At the. At the. At the elite level with NBA players, NFL players. It starts even when you're young. The problem that you gotta worry about is when you have a coach that cares about you and he stops talking to you and he doesn't try to correct you. He's. He's not on your head and trying to get you to do things the right way, that mean he doesn't care. So what I see as a former athlete, stuff like that happen, it resonates with me because I've been in that situation before with Hugh Jackson getting on me on the sideline, of course, because I'm trying my hardest. Hey, I fire back. You know, I talk back a little bit. But you know, Hugh, man, he would grab me by the neck. Man, don't play with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, by the day, you from Carton.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you don't play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you a damn fool. You good people, but you. You good people. I like you. But you know what? You're right. You're absolutely right. With a lot of times, like, you know, in the heat of the battle, you forget, like, man, I shouldn't do this in front of all these people. Cause there's 70, 80,000 people watching and there's cameras everywhere.

[Chad Johnson]

You forget sometimes, don't you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do forget. You absolutely forget. I always try to be mindful, you know, hey, let's get this behind closed door. I'm just gonna give you a look.

[Chad Johnson]

You mean like that look you gave me when you thought I was late on first day? Like that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey. N. That was. That was like. Like coaches, like, hey, bro, look here. I won't allow you to say anything to me. Mary Porter didn't say, right? That Porter ain't never called me no mo folk. She ain't never called me no SOB So now, if you think you can call me that now. You know what? I'm gonna take this uniform off. I'm gonna whip your ass, because I know I ain't gonna be here. But all that. All that, all that stupid. You know what? I don't play that. Nah. Give me that. Cause. Nah. I don't play like that, Ocho. I don't. So we had a. We just had. I had a great understanding. Hey, bro, don't. Hey, come on now.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't your kid. I got kids. You got kids. I got kids. You just can't talk to me any kind of way. Trust me. Tell me what I did wrong. I'm not gonna make that same mistake twice. But you're not finna call me dumb. You know you stupid. No, no, no, no. Okay. I can't get that like that. I ain't fitting to hold you. Y'all can talk about sensitive all you want to, but I'm big. I'm huge on respect.

[Chad Johnson]

Respect?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I give it to everybody. I believe every man or woman deserves a certain level of respect. Now, when that level of respect dissipates, it's best that you and I go our separate ways. That's okay. We don't. Look.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

We.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And there's sometimes, Ocho, like, when you on a team, you ain't gonna get along with everybody.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you do your thing. I'm gonna do my thing on this thing. Hey, when the whistleblower try to go out certain ways.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about the locker room? A.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, I don't even know you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There it is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There it is.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There it is. All this, man, you ain't.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was a teammate. You not. You not buddy. Buddy with everybody that's on your team. You buddy. Buddy with everybody in your work office. Y'all go out to lunch and do happy hour, Go to each other's crib. No, that's. I mean, some. Some guys are close like that, Ocho. They are.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some guys not. This ain't college where you see. And you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna pass the guy in the hallway going to class, or he might be in the same class, bro. A lot of these guys, they got families, they got kids, and y'all, you know, we. We on different wavelengths, and that's okay. We just trying to do the same when we at work, hopefully, we got the same goal. Ojo to try to win as many games we possibly can once you go home.

[Chad Johnson]

Done deal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. But I'm not making too. I'm not making too much out of it when the Katie interaction has happened. Like I said, I've seen coaches, hey, coaches and players, man. I seen college. I seen basketball player beat the basketball coach so down we had to go pull him up off it. I ain't. When I say he beat him down, Ocho, when I say he beat him down, right?

[Chad Johnson]

He must have said something slick, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what he said and. Cause you know, I. Hey, you know, I'm looking out the bathroom, where did I see him arguing? I'm like. Cause I ain't never seen. Look, look, don't you. I've seen players and coaches argue in that setting on the football field, on the basket. Okay, that's one thing. But bro, we not in that environment. We not on the football field. We're not on the basketball court. And you argue with me like we just two ninjas in the street, right? So I like. But damn, I said, man, let me go on down there before something pop off. So I go down there, I'm just, you know, I'm. It ain't got nothing to do with me, so I really shouldn't be. The next thing I know, oh, Joe. I be like, okay, you probably asked for it. Because first of all, you don't live on campus. For you to bring your ass back on campus after practice is over, to come back up here in front of this man, you probably was getting what you deserve.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Uh huh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where I intervene when he started kicking him, putting feet on him, I said, nah, I can't let you do that. Yeah, you gotta go get it. I had to get him up off him. And I'm like, bro. And look here, coach, go ahead on now. Cause if I turn this man loose after I done got him up, obvious, that's on you. That's on you now. Round two. I said, hey. I called mother. I said, hey, man, get coach up out of here. Ocho, when I say he whipped it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

So that was the coach, that the player was part of the team?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. Was the player allowed to remain on the team after that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I think he ended up leaving on his own, but he didn't kick him off. If I'm not mistaken. I think it was the coach fault.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, so he must have been a star player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't a star player, but he was a good player. He was a decent player.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But my thing is, if I'm a coach. Here's the thing.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you let a puppy lick you in the mouth, you better be careful because he gonna grow up to be a dog and he'll bite you.

[Lamont Rose Jr.]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold.

[Chad Johnson]

On, hold on, hold on. Boy, that was a good one. Well, you know, I don't go nowhere without it now. Yeah, if you let, if you let.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let a puppy lick you in the mouth, he'll grow up and bite you when he become a dog. See, if you put yourself on that level. See, the problem that the coach had is that he put himself on that level to be with the player. So the player no longer looked at him as the coach. Right? He looked at him as like, like a common. Like.

[Chad Johnson]

Let a puppy lick you in the mouth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's why that's ocho. That's why with kids, you stay up here, Ocho, you don't say, oh, that's my friend. Oh, that's my best friend. Me and my daughter, me and my son, we like best friends. Ain't no we not. No, no we not. I tear your ass up, I'm dead. The Volume.

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