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Shannon Sharpe
Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us. Ocho. This is our last show of 2024. Yeah, let's go out with a bang. Yes, sir, the very last show. Thank you guys for making Nightcap what it is. Because without you, OO and I and the Nightcap family can't be what we have become. And it's thanks for your eyeballs and your ears and your support. So here we are, the final show of 2024. We gonna go out with style. The San Francisco 49ers lose at home to the Detroit Lions. To the Lions. Put up another 40 ball. You're going to have to score points to beat this football team. Very well coached offensively, they're as good as we have in the NFL. And everybody keeps talking about, oh, wish the Cincinnati Bengals got the best offense. Are we sure?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
Are we sure?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
All I know is one team is averaging 34 points a game. Now what is Cincinnati's averaging? But we'll get to that in a minute. We gonna hold on. But it's gonna be fireworks. I got me a nap in today, too. It's on. Yeah. I just want you to know I will kick so much ass tonight, my feet gonna stink. I just want you to know my feet gonna be stinking because I'm kicking ass tonight.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, bro, you feeling good tonight, huh? Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I'm on one. I want one of those. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. That guy is the Liberty City legend, Bengals Ring of Fame honoree, the Pro Bowler, the All Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please hit that subscribe button. Please hit that like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. As I mentioned earlier, guys, thank you for your support in 24 and beyond. You've been down with us from the jump and we appreciate that. So let's continue this thing in the 25, but let's make sure we close out this show in 24 with a bang. Please go check out Shay by La Portier. The holidays heading into 25. What better way to celebrate heading into 25 than with a bottle of Shea by La Portier? If you can't find it in a state near you order it. We'll ship it directly to you. And one more thing, please drink responsibly. Go follow my media company on all of his platform. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, our newest releases just dropped last month. We've got T shirts, sweatshirt, as well as stocking stuffers such as such as beanies, cousins and mugs. Quantities are limited. Make sure you go grab yours while supplies last. Hopefully everyone has received their merch Monday, Tuesday of last week. Obviously Christmas was on Wednesday and then we had Thursday, Friday, Saturday. And so hopefully by today everybody has received what they ordered. They're pleased with what they order and very happy with the quality in which they thought it would be. Let us know what you think, guys. Ever since Black Friday, we put all the merch on sale ever since Black Friday. So a little better part of six weeks, Ocho, this, the, the merch has been marked down, right? It goes back to original price at the top of the year. So January 1st, the original price will go back into effect. So if you want to take advantage of the the Black Friday pricing, you have tonight and tomorrow because on Wednesday it goes back to the original pricing. Thank you guys for your support because without you, this wouldn't happen. Tickets for the super bowl show In New Orleans. Our first spring tour stop are on sale now. The link is pinned in the top of the chat. February 6th in New Orleans. Be there. We've been nominated for two sports podcast awards, the best American football podcast and best sports comedy podcast. Please go vote for us. The link is in the chat, pinned on our social pages and in all our social bios. The lions defeated the 49ers 40 to 34. Detroit improves to 14 and 2, including a perfect 8 and O on the road this coming Sunday against game against the Vikings will determine which of those teams finish atop the NFC north and gets the number one seed. That's what you want to have happen. NFL couldn't have drawn it up anyway any other way. Ocho, you got two teams battling out. There's more than stake. You get the division champ and you get the team to get the number one seed. Tonight's victory marked the first Lions road win against the 49ers since 1975. And you got to go back. Ooh, 1937. In which the team scored 10 touchdowns and nobody punted 10 tubs. Yeah, no punts. The partner took the night off. I know what you call them. San Francisco, which. Their kicker, he took the night off, too. I ain't want to say nothing, but he did, Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He sure did.
Shannon Sharpe
He took the night off. But, ocho. The Bengals 142 go on the road 40, 34 over the San Francisco.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on, hold on. You just said. See, I know you got us on your mind. You understand we're the best team in afc. But you said the Bengals.
Shannon Sharpe
I said. I said the Bengals.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Detroit Lions go on the road and they beat the 49ers 40 to 34, 14 and 2, Detroit 6 and 10. San Francisco. San Francisco played very, very well. But I just want to know.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Did those two do. Did those two interceptions that Purdy through, did they play any role in them losing this game? Any role whatsoever?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, absolutely.
Shannon Sharpe
Be careful what you say now. Be careful what you say because I've heard you say before.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Absolutely.
Shannon Sharpe
Are you sure? Are you. Is that your final answer?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Hey, there were points scored off those turnovers.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay? So when Joe Burrow turned the ball over against the Bengals and the other team score. I waited till you say that. You see what I did? You see? I walked you right into that. Hey, I asked you, were you sure?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, you. Hey, listen, you walk me right into that one. You walk me right into.
Shannon Sharpe
Talk about purdy and the 49ers.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, Purdy. Purdy can't make those kind of mistakes. You can't make those kind of mistakes. Obviously you're already behind the eight ball as far as. As far as you don't have any play, you don't have any chance of making the playoffs right now, you know, but in order to win a game plan against a team like Detroit that can put up a 50 ball at any point because you have a. You have a. A head coach that's going to play extremely aggressive. He's going on fourth down, third down, second down. He going on. He'll go for it on fifth down. If they had got them down. So you have to make. You have to be conscious of your decision making and when you're throwing the ball. Kirby Joseph, a young ball player having a hell of a season.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Having a hell of a season with great ball skills. Two interceptions tonight. One Purdy sale on the, on the, on the mid dig route. Then the second one, he. That. That's straight film.
Shannon Sharpe
He stared it down.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, that's straight film study. Not only staring it down but just. Just knowing the tendencies and what they want to run based on formation and alignment. He jumped that right away.
Shannon Sharpe
I was wondering.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Purdy has to play better. He has to play.
Shannon Sharpe
I was wondering how long, how many times they're going to let him run the dagger route before somebody jumped it. Yeah, how many times did we see Piers all running? How many times did we see kittle running? How many times did we see Juwan jennings running? I'm like, well, damn, y'all just going to let him run dagger or over the whole game. Ain't nobody going to jump anything.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, they kept. They kept doing it over and over, just using different players.
Shannon Sharpe
That's it.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Exact thing. Same exact thing.
Shannon Sharpe
And the thing is. And you know, Purdy doesn't have the strongest arm. So he's got. See, he's gotta. He's got to kind of glance at it because he doesn't have an arm. It's like I trust it and I can get it there. He's staring, throwing it in anticipation. And Joseph, you look at Joseph, he steady watching his eyes and he steady drifting like, okay, you going that way because you ain't got the kind of arm to look me off here and.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Go back over here, come back to it.
Shannon Sharpe
No, no, I ain't worried about it. I'm not worried about it. And Joseph made two great play like you said. He sell that one on Pierce all. No, he sell that one on. Yeah, Pierce all. And then he sell another one on. Use check. Yeah, well, back. Yeah. And so, but the Lions, Ocho, look, their defense, you can have, you know that defense give up a lot of points and yards, but you gotta score.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
The likelihood of you beating Detroit and you scoring 17 points, you scoring 20 points, I don't believe you're gonna do it.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That ain't gonna cut it. That ain't gonna cut it.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't believe so either.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's what makes that, that's what makes the next game that they have, if I'm not mistaken, they, they playing the Vikings, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Vikings in Detroit.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, that's gonna be a shootout. That's going, that's going to, that's going to be a shootout. Now in this game, obviously I get the, I get the edge. The goddamn Vikings simply because of the defense that they have in the amount of pressure that Flores is going to put on golf. So I mean that's, that's going to be an interesting one. I'm excited. I'm excited for the Lions and the, and, and what? Listen, what Dan Campbell has been able to do in such a short amount of time in changing a laughing stock of an organization around that fast, that fast with off season acquisitions, trades via, you know, via draft is unbelievable. The way they put everything together.
Shannon Sharpe
You look at what Brad Holmes has done, you take Jameer Gibbs, everybody say, you don't draft the running back with the top. Got a top 10 pick. You don't take Gibbs, you get JMO, Jameson Williams, he's. And he's coming off an injury, so you don't even play him. You got, you're like, man, the likelihood of us getting a receiver next year that's as talented as this kid isn't very good. Let's get him, we can stash him. They go out, they draft Aiden Hutchinson. We see what he did. You know, they made the trade for Jared Goff, Auburn, Ross St. Brown. Let's sign him long term to make sure we have him in the fold. Pensul, we're going to make sure we sign him, have him in the fold. Oh, let's start tying up some of our younger players. But they've done a great job of drafting. That's the key. They've done not just the first round Ocho, but if you go look at the later round picks, they're doing extremely well. They're very smart, judicious with their free agent money. Knowing that, you know, look, we got a quarterback that's making a ton of money. We got an offensive tackle that's made making a ton of money. We got A wide receiver that's making a ton of money. And you know, JMO going to be coming up. He going to be knocking at the door pretty soon. And so they've done a great job of tying up people that they want for the long haul. They've done a great job of that. Brad Holmes, he deserves a lot of credit. That's the general manager of the, the Detroit Lions. Give him some credit because for a lot of times they, they, they wasted some picks.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You know, they hit on Megatron and then Charlie Rogers couldn't stay healthy. Roy Williams had a great couple of years. Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And then he rest in peace.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he moved on. And so I, I like, I like what I'm seeing from Detroit. They got a very good look. Look at Jerry Goff with 26 and 34. Three touchdowns. Clean game. Jibbs, 18 rushes, 117 yards, one touchdown. They had 33 rushes, 152. And because they're so balanced, 34 rush attempts, 33. I mean, 34 pass attempts, 33 rush attempts. Yeah, balance. And because they can run an Ocho. So now when he sticks that ball in the belly of Gibbs or Reynolds or running those running backs, everybody's sucking up.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They got to. You got to react.
Shannon Sharpe
You gotta.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
In that split second is all you need.
Shannon Sharpe
That's listening. Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And you see that play they hit Almond Ross St. Brown on the dig rock. He pitches. Daymo. Coming. I said, boy, look here, Detroit Lions, boy, they got more tricks than a thousand dollar escort. Boy, they got bad. They got a bag. I'm just saying, Ocho, he was in his bag tonight. I'm just saying, Ocho, I'm just saying.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Wait a minute, hold on now. Now I don't know the price of escort, but escort is close to a thousand dollars.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, it all depends what you want. But they got the tricks. I mean, hey, at the trick. Hey, more and more tricks cost more and more money. You know what I'm saying?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, okay, okay.
Shannon Sharpe
A plain hamburger might cost you $2. Add pickles, that's another 50 cents. Add lettuce, that's some more money. Add onions. Add bacon. Add eggs. You know what I'm saying, don't you? Add avocado. See what started as a two dollar burger, by the time you get it, cost you $10. Go to phone call, come over there. She come over the phone. 500. Okay, what you want? Want a back rub, that's another 250. You want something else, that's another 175. I'm just saying. Ojo. I don't know. I ain't never ordered one, but I'm just saying. I can just imagine. I can just imagine.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one.
Shannon Sharpe
But this was a very. This is what you want?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
At the end of the season, you get Detroit, you get the Vikings. Meaningful, meaningful game. You get Pittsburgh and you get Cincinnati. Meaningful, meaningful games. You want games to mean something, and because they mean something. Look, Josh Allen's gonna go in there. He got a consecutive start streak going. They don't break that. So he's gonna come in and take one snap. He probably hand the ball off. And that's his day. Yeah, that's his day. Patrick Mahomes, he ain't dressing out. Andy Reid said, we haven't decided. I need to talk to my starters. What we gonna do? They're not playing, guys.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So Carson Wentz is going to start, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Carson wins. Is going to start.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So even with Carson wins. Even with Carson Wentz starting, we understand he's had some success at the quarterback position as. As of late, obviously towards. I'm not sure after his injury, he wasn't as good as he once was.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Know what Carson Wentz can do when he plays well, I think Andy Reid is going to have him in a position, which is why I felt so confident about. Even though they're playing the B side of the Chiefs. I feel so confident in the Chiefs winning because they can lean on their defense as long as Carson Wentz could play.
Shannon Sharpe
How many of the defensive starters you think gonna play?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's only 53 people on the roster now. They can't.
Shannon Sharpe
They kicks.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They kicks it every goddamn body. I guarantee you, somebody got to play.
Shannon Sharpe
They do. I guarantee you gonna be a lot of practice. Practice squad guys get called up this week, right?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Ooh. Hey, you know. So it doesn't even matter for them anyway, huh?
Shannon Sharpe
No. They got the number one seed already sold up. They're locked in the number one. Buffalo's locked in the number two. The winner, Pittsburgh. And Baltimore gets locked into three and. And Houston is locked into the four seed.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay. Is it too late for me to renege on that bet and take that bet back?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, it is. It's too way too late.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay. Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
Too late.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay. Okay. I'm definitely too late.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't know if you heard of the song by Tavares. There was a group called Tavares and they had a song best. One of the best songs was called Too Late, right? Yeah. We done locked the store. We done locked the door, right? Cleaned up the store. It's too late.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Damn.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, I appreciate that. So I make sure you're in New Orleans. Make sure you bring a little extra for your boy. I appreciate that. Really appreciate that. But The Detroit Lions, 40, San Francisco 49ers 34. Detroit improves the 14 2, including a perfect 8 and O at home.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Tonight marked the Lions first road win against the 49ers since 1975. So almost 40 years.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Crazy.
Shannon Sharpe
Last beat the 49ers on the road. Obviously, we know they lost to the 49ers last year in the NFC championship game. They came back, they wanted to come out here because it was a very important game. Very, very important ball game for them. But you look at Ricky Piersol, had his best game as a pro, what, six months after getting shot in the chest.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Boom. Eight for 141 and a touchdown. George Kittle, eight catches a buck 12. Tremendous. Juwan Jennings, seven for 67. Ocho on the outball, he had him. I don't know. You can't throw that light, that outball late.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You gotta throw.
Shannon Sharpe
Listen in the back of the head.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
If you don't have the arm strength for one as a quarterback, you gotta know. You gotta know your arm arm strength.
Shannon Sharpe
You gotta throw that thing on anticipation.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You got to know, listen, when you take that drop, when you come in from under center or if you're in the gun, you can't take no hitch. You got to hit that third, step back, go. The ball got to go, it got to be gone.
Shannon Sharpe
You got no hitch.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You have to anticipate it. If you don't have the arm strength like a Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers, some of those dudes that have, you know, arm talent like that.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You ever get out, get it out of there. Purdy has to have better anticipatory skills, man. You. You have to. And tonight he was off.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. When that back foot hit, that ball's gotta come outta there. And that's what a lot of times when guys that don't have the arm, you go watching when Joe threw that ball, or when you say Steve Young threw that ball. That ball is 1, 2, 3, boom. It's gone. It's gotta be. And Jared Goff on the fourth down, he's gotta throw that ball in anticipation. The field is so condensed. The defense is not going to disperse like they would, because they don't have to. They don't have to worry about somebody running by him. So they got the Back of the end zone. He's got to throw that. When Laporta gets to the top of that route, that ball's got to be gone.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Ojo gotta be gone.
Shannon Sharpe
It's gotta be gone. And when he. When Laporta caught the touchdown on the angle. He was late on that one.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That one. Yeah, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
It's just the db. I'm like, bro, why are y'all getting so. First of all, if the db, all he had to do was glance. You think Laporta is going to run a goalball? And they just ran the back on the swing route. Come on. Come on, defense. Now. Y'all smarter than that. Now, okay, what's the likelihood of Laporta running up the rail and they run a swing route? No, what they're trying to do is to get me to widen, to take the bat, and they're gonna bring Laporta back.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
How you know that? Sharp.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Wherever you leave from, they gonna replace you.
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How you know that? Cause I know you don't know that. That's why I know. That's why I know that. Cause I know you gonna take the cheese.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, we dangle the cheese out there. He gone?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Come in Right behind him. Thank you. Appreciate you. Appreciate you leaving your door unlocked. Not gonna go on in here and pillage the place. And by the time you get back, I'll be long gone. But your items will be missing. Yeah, but the Lion. The Lions win.
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Shannon Sharpe
Willing to take less money to stay with the Bengals. Being paid as the number one receiver isn't the top motivator. I'm playing with one of the best quarterbacks, one of the best wide receivers, that things open up for me in this office. Everyone gets the chance to be spotlighted. I just read an article today that T. Higgins market is going to be somewhere a little bit, a little north of 30 million a year on the free agent market?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
Now, look, that's his choice. I think he's saying all the right things. You don't want to because you know Ocho, if he goes, oh, he's selfish. Why he's selfish. Mike Brown made all that money. He ain't paid but a handful of people since he owned the team.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You got, you got, you got, you got to talk to him. I can't say it no more. I mean, you. Can you please tell the people in the chat? I'm sure we, I'm. Listen, I know we have a lot of Bangle fans in the chat right now. I know we do. Can you please tell them the importance of your first contract as a player after you put all the work in to get to this point? And I, I know, I know he means well. I know he does. I would love to see him stay. But you, you got to say something because I didn't say it. I don't think people listen to me because they've been arguing me down. You know, my, my fans, you know, that I love, Dear. They've been asking me down based on what I said. Maybe if they hear from you. I, I, I don't know, man.
Shannon Sharpe
The first contract, especially T. Higgins, was a, a second round pick. If I'm not mistaken, your first contract is what solidifies everything. Now, that gives you, if you want to down the road, Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
If you want to take a little less money or you want to give them a little haircut. Now, look, when I say give you a haircut, I ain't getting no damn ball head. Now, I ain't getting no Kojak. That's what you call a ball here when I was growing up. Okay. Hey, the old man going to. Hey, hey, Green. Give me that. Kojak. That meant a ball head. Nah, I ain't getting no, I ain't getting no ball. Now, if you say, okay, I'm gonna stay. I could go get 30, 31 million as a free agent. Now, you gonna give me 28, 29. So when I project it out, that's about. Okay. I'm gonna lose 10 million. I can. You know what, Ocho? With a couple, you know, with a couple of incentives here and there, I do a couple of appearances, I can make that up.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
But when you tell me on the free agent market, I can get five years, 160 million with 80 million guaranteed, and what y'all can only get to is 120 million. Oh, hell no. 20 when you start. Once you get past 20, 30 million.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
I can't even hear nothing y'all saying. Yeah, I mean, y'all bull driving.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
No, I can't give. Because here's the thing, Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
If you. If the networks were to go to the NFL. Yes, sir. Y'all cut us a deal, what you think they gonna say, Ocho? No, they're not getting no deal from. The NFL, is not giving. Because I don't think y'all understand. Chad, stay with me right here. Do y'all realize that even though, like, ESPN has paid 2.2 billion and Fox has paid 2 billion, and all these networks, do you realize even on playing the 2 billion, the 1.8, the other 2.2 billion, that in order for ESPN to show video clips.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
They got to pay for that, too?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
11 minutes of video clips is about $2 million. Let that sink in. Chat. Listen to me. 11 minutes worth of video clips. How many video clips do you think ESPN show in a day?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
A lot.
Shannon Sharpe
How many you think they show in a week? Same for Fox, Same for cbs. Same for NBC. Same for Amazon. Think about that. So I just. Hold on. It's like, Ocho, yes, sir. I go pay $200,000 for a car. You mean to tell me I got to pay for the umbrella that come in the car, too? You can't give me that as a discount. God dang.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I mean, listen, listen, I. I just. I. I don't understand. And I. I think about the nature of the business. When it comes time to get paid for one, the teams are going to come to you with your best interest in heart or in mind. They're going to lowball. They're going to lowball you. Of course they're going to lowball you. You know, I. I understand. I know the game that they're going to play, as much as I love the game of football. But I understand the bidding war. I understand what it's going to take to get your money. I understand what it's going to take to get what you deserve. Already having a $55 million quarterback. Already having a Jamar Chase who should be paid top premium dollar as a one.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
As either he should reset the market. Right. Or no.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, yeah. He gonna be. He gonna be. He gonna probably be. He gonna probably. He gonna touch 40. He's looking to touch 40.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Cause. Cause if you got him last year, Ocho, he said, okay, give me a million. Give me $2 million per year, plus another 5 million more guaranteed than. Than Jenna got. Right? And I'm cool with that. But y'all make me play. Hold on. I got the triple crown. Y'all made me play. Y'all made me swim these shark infested waters. Waters.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And I came out on the other side.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm breathing heavy.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
But I'm in the promised land. Yeah. Now y'all gonna have to break bread.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, it's.
Shannon Sharpe
You're gonna have to break bread.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's different. You know, it was a gamble. It was a gamble on the Bengals end, you know, and you want to say and mention, oh, he has two years left on his contract. And I said. I said it before the season started. I wouldn't care if he had 50 years left on his contract. Please understand the type of player and individual you have.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Not what he's doing now, but what he's going to continue to do in the foreseeable future. You might want to lock him up and get him a little cheaper now as opposed to letting him play. And now you see what you got. You got a goddamn triple crown going on your hands. 15, 16, some goddamn touchdowns. Nah, I mean, listen, you can't play now. There's nothing you can say. There is no excuse now that you can say nothing.
Shannon Sharpe
Both of them, T. Higgins, too. They made T. Higgins play on the franchise tag. Yeah, man, he upset about that. Yeah, they made Chase go back and play. He upset about that. But if you notice, now here's the thing. If. If neither guy is willing to give a discount, the fans gonna label them selfish. They don't care anything about winning. Well, considering that you don't want to pay the guys, that means you don't care about winning either. Yeah, because I just want y'all to know, everybody think, well, that's what Tom Brady did. There have been a lot of other guys that's taking discount that didn't win like Tom Brady. So just like you take Tom Brady and like him Be the outlier. What about all the other guys that took discounts that didn't win Super Bowls?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
This is what people have to understand about Tom Brady's situation, about being able to take less. For one, you have Bill Belichick. You had a great. You had a great coaching staff. You have a organized structural organization that was built to win. So I'm taking less because I understand what I can do, what I can do if. With taking less, and what Bill can do when it comes to drafting and bringing in free agent players. Okay, it worked. It worked because they had a system. So you know what? Okay, I could take less. Not only can I take less, but I'm also married to the richest woman in modeling as well.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Whatever. Whatever I'm missing out on. I make the four times ten because she makes three times what I'm making anyway. A year.
Shannon Sharpe
We got a 2. We got a 2. We got a two income household.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What?
Shannon Sharpe
Most NFL players don't have a two income household. I'm just being fat. And that's. Listen, and I don't want y'all to try to beat Ocho up tonight, right? I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But what Tom Brady had with his former wife Giselle is unique. Most NFL players, their wives aren't working, and if they are working, they're not generating that kind of income. So it's easy. When Tom was making 10, she was making 25. So that's a $35 million income household. Most. Most households, it's not working like that. Now, I'm not saying there might be some. That they have a little. A little side hustle going on, but.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
For the most part, the money they. The money she making is different. Yes, she making quarterbacks, she making number one quarterback money, but she was making.
Shannon Sharpe
That 10 years ago. Yeah, yeah, she was making that 10 years ago. She was an entity. She was already a business. As a matter of fact, she was more popular when Tom. When they got together, she was a bigger name.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Shannon Sharpe
You know, you big. When you go by one name. Now, most Brazilians, when they become something, they go by one name. You get Pele, you get Ronaldinho, you get Neymar.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Neymar.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you get Kaka.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Huh?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you get, you get, you get. That's what, that's when you know when you can go by one name.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
LeBron, Steph, Magic, Jordan, Toby, Shaq.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, Ocho. Hey, speaking of, I. I just did something with Shaq tonight. I just did something with Shaq tonight.
Shannon Sharpe
What you do to Shaq? What you do with Shack?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Tonight we was breaking. Breaking. Breaking cards. Breaking cards memorabilia. So, you know, people watch the chat on TikTok and they. They personally, but they don't know what's in it. And so we open it, and, you know, it's Jim Kelly. We pull John away tonight, sign autograph stuff. So they.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They pay for the item, but you don't know what's in the item until we open it.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, okay.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Like that. So me and.
Shannon Sharpe
So it's kind of like. It's kind of like potluck. You never know what you're going to get. You know, you get something just like, don't know who.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah. Shaq told me to tell you. He say it's no problem. It's no issues. He love you.
Shannon Sharpe
Love you.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So many.
Shannon Sharpe
I will see. I will see it, man. Look, I ain't got no problem with Shaq. I've known Shaq a long time.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
The trainer that used to train me trained Shaq. I ain't got no beef with Shaq.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Shaq know. I ain't got no beef with him.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. He just told me to tell you he loved me and he.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, I'll see him. I'm gonna catch up with him next time I'm. Next time I'm in the A. Cause he's down there. He's a little south of me, but I'm gonna catch up with him. Ocho, check this out.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
Four leading NFL receivers in the NFL were all born within 120 miles of each other. Jamar Chase was born in Harvey, Louisiana. Justin Jefferson St. Rose, Louisiana. CD Lamb. Opelassa. Opelassa. Opelassa. I guess that. Correct me if I'm wrong. Y'all let me know the correct pronunciation of Louisiana. Brian Thomas, Jr. Was in Walker, Louisiana, and for a bonus, Malik Neighbors was in Lafayette, Louisiana.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And that's crazy, huh? Now, listen, we're not talking about just any four players.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Just talk about. No. Any four players. We talk about elite.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But Brian Thomas, Jr. I'm not sure how many of y'all in the chat actually watch the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm not talking about the tv.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. He for real. He for real.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He is the real deal. The real deal. Matter of fact, I tweeted. I tweeted. I tweeted him multiple times talking about him. His plate, you know, part of the season. He sent me a jersey to the house. Brian Tomlin Jr. And the Jackson, the Jacksonville Jaguars Twitter account. I appreciate y'all. I love you. I got my jersey. It's already framed up, so I definitely wasn't putting that on. But Malik Neighbors, the real deal. Matter of fact, Malik Neighbors is the reason why the damn Giants don't have the number one. The number one pick no more. He basically said, I'm going to take things into my own hands and I'm going to go ahead and cut a goddamn fool because you ain't putting me with no goddamn rookie quarterback next year. Bring me somebody here that season.
Shannon Sharpe
Give me a vet, the perfect situation. If you're not going to be able to position to get a rookie, I'm gonna go get Sam Darnold. Remember, I told you last night, hey, hold on now.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You got to be careful now. Let's be careful. Remember Sam. We saw Sam Donald with the Carolina Panthers.
Shannon Sharpe
Right? Right.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We saw Sam Donald with the New York jets, right? Now, you take Sam Darnold and you put him with the Giants. You give him what he deserves based on his play this season. Now all he has is Malik Neighbors. Now, is that something you really want to do?
Shannon Sharpe
You remember? Hold on. Didn't he have. Didn't he get Garrett Wilson, the rookie of the office? The rookie of the year.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
Wasn't he the quarterback with Garrett Wilson?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So, you know, obviously they're going to need some more pieces, and the Giants got cap space.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Now, now, now they're gonna have some.
Shannon Sharpe
Dead cab space with the quarterback, losing the quarterback, but they're gonna have some space to go out and get somebody else. Hey, hell, I'll make a play. Hey, him and T. Higgins pair them.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Up.
Shannon Sharpe
With Sam Darnold.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, okay, I like that. But wait, where at, though? You talking about New York?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, the Giants.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
See, now. Now you talking. Imagine that. Malik neighbors on one side, T. Higgins on the other. Sam Donald is the quarterback in that New York market. In that New York market.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Man, stop playing. Hey, T. I know you're gonna see this, you know, and I just. Listen, I'm. You know, I love you to death. I love my Bangles to death. But I just want you to. I want to see you get what you deserve, you know? That's all.
Shannon Sharpe
It's almost like. Ocho, this reminds you of, like in the. In Pennsylvania.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Montana. Moreno, Namath, Kelly. All of them. From that little pocket.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So many, you know, what's old boy name? Rebus? Aliquippa. Tony Dorsett. Aliquippa. I mean, that. That little smaller Pennsylvania, A Lot of hall of Famers came out of there, but this is, I mean, within 120 miles of each other. It'll be interesting. They probably, you know, Chase and Jefferson, they probably know each other before they got on the recruiting trail. You know what I'm saying, Ocho?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because you know, you know why they know each other? Because whatever, whatever, whatever parts of Louisiana they were from, they didn't just start getting good. They've been good.
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They've been good way back then. So obviously, you know, you know players in different counties in different cities that are playing well. So I'm sure they know each other, especially the seven on seven stuff when they were coming up. And I'm sure they crossed paths in those type of areas and environments.
Shannon Sharpe
Chase is going to win the triple Crown. Jetta is having an outstanding season. He's over 100 catches. Malik neighbors, he's on pace. Well, the only thing is that he's got Brian Brock Bowers, who needs nine catches to set the single season record for tight ends. He has eight, four more catches than Malik Neighbors. He has 108. Neighbors has 104.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But listen, that's it. That says a lot too, man. Yes, Brock Bowers was the real deal at Georgia. He was a real deal. I didn't know what he would be in the NFL.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, I knew.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We've seen many players, we've seen many players dominate, you know, at the college level and they get to the NFL and absolutely disappear. But Brock Bowers is. Everything is advertised.
Shannon Sharpe
Boy, you know why I thought he.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Everything is advertised.
Shannon Sharpe
You know why I thought he would be good, Ocho?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
Because he's not a finesse tight end. He's an old school, put his hand in the dirt tight end. Okay. Tremendous run after the catch. He has great body control. He got great hands, can catch the ball in traffic. He's good run after the catch. Now, is he Gronk, is he Mark Bavaro or some of these big George Kittle? No, right? No, no, no, no. He's not there. Now, I'm not saying he's that, but he's a decent. And what I tell guys all the time, are you more of an asset in the passing game than you are a liability in the run game? Because if you are, you can play. You can be special in this league. Because that's all I'm asking. And that's what I told about said, Mike, I'm going to be more of an asset than I am a liability now. Now, if you want me to Try to hold up against Reggie and Strahan and Bruce.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
It ain't happening. So I'm gonna go ahead and tell you right now, go ahead and put somebody else in there, and when it comes to passing down, let me go and get my little passes and I'll come on out. But dangle just wear me out all day long. I'm gonna get me a couple of wins now. And so that's the way you gotta approach it. But four leading receivers all within 120 miles of each other. Chase, Justin Jefferson, C.D. lamb, Brian Thomas Jr. And Malik neighbors for good measure. Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey. As great as Malik Neighbors is Brian Tomlin Jr. Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. Like, I would probably lock them up. And I have footage, too. I have footage of me locking up Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase. And I think I would probably do the same. Them league Neighbors and Brian Thomas.
Shannon Sharpe
What's up with all these pairs? You got Odell and Jarvis were together. Yeah. You got Jetta and Chase were together. And you got Neighbors and Thomas were together. What the hell?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. They might. We might have to call LSU wide receiver University.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And some people say. Some people say it's Ohio State.
Shannon Sharpe
Ohio State.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Some people say it's Alabama. I don't know. Right now, Alabama was hot. Alabama could run.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Now they had Julio and they had Ridley, and they had Amari. Cooper.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Cooper.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Judy. Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They had a nice wall. They had a nice pipeline coming through. But them goddamn LSU Tigers, boy, they.
Shannon Sharpe
Knocking on the door now they doing something special. Ocho. Ocho. Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What happened? What happened?
Shannon Sharpe
After a 417 loss, the Cowboys wasn't bad enough. Then you had Michael Parsons. This is what Michael Parsons says, okay? They had two big runs, three good deep shots, he told reporters. Other than that, we made them earn it. You take away the scoreboard, and it was about five plays that decided the game. That's why they keep the score.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, hey. Michael funny, man. Michael funny. Listen, glass half full. I understand what he's talking about. I understand what he's talking about. I'm saying I can understand what he's talking about. Like, you take your score away. I felt we played well enough.
Shannon Sharpe
No, you didn't. That's why you gotta be 41 7.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I know that. So I'm trying to understand. I understand what he's trying to say, but the delivery in the context of what he's trying to say, it don't fit.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, so what about your team because, you know, okay, you said them. You only scored seven. So how many plays? So what happened to that?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't know.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't. Bro, do you understand there's nothing when you loot Ocho. Yeah. If you say if the score was 28, 27, the score was 28, 31, you got a compelling argument. If a play here, play there, Ocho, when you get beat 41 7, they got a whole lot of plays. You got no plays.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm confused.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, it makes. It make. It makes no. It makes no sense. It probably made sense to him right there in that moment. But I guarantee you, if you go back and he listened to it, he'd be like, you know what? I should have thought that one through. I should have thought that one through before I said it. But he might really stand on business about what he said because maybe he's the only one that understand what he meant. Yeah, that could be it.
Shannon Sharpe
That's what delusion does. A delusional person believes what he sees, what he or sees. She believes what he or she says. That's what delusion causes you to do.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
It's okay to say, guys, hey, they were just a better team today. That's what happens. You play a better. You play a good team like that and you don't take care of your responsibilities. This is what's possible, 41 to 7. But to sit there and say it was a play, it was five plays. I'm confused, Chad. Am I the only. Are y'all confused? Am I the only one that's confused by what he said? It's. Oh, Ocho, it's okay to say nothing. It's okay to say, you know what? They just build a better team today.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, chalk it up. They beat us. They beat us both times. They scored this many points on us in Dallas. We came here and they beat us. They're just the better team. It's okay. Nobody. Not that there's not one Cowboy fan. There's not one realistic cowboy player that think the Cowboys that showed up yesterday are the equivalent to the Eagles. Not one. If you're honest with yourself. Because if you're not honest with yourself, that explains why you're in the predicament that you're in.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Not. Not even close.
Shannon Sharpe
Not even Ocho. It's not even close.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, they don't went. They don't went to their third string quarterback and he throwing touchdowns on you and you talk about you. A couple of their third string quarterback is doing damage to y'all.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. You know, the Cowboys played well the past two weeks, though, especially defensively.
Shannon Sharpe
They, they play because they have no expectations. You see what happens when you don't have expectations? You see now I told you, Ocho, they went in there. Tampa, good team. Ain't nobody expect anything. Tampa gonna blow em out. They win a couple of games, you're like, okay, they beat, they beat the Commanders. Yeah, they beat, they beat a, a Tampa. And you're like, oh, yeah, the Cowboys. Oh, Jerry started feeling himself. I love the way McCarthy got these guys playing. They, they didn't pack it in. They played tough. Okay, now we're gonna see what y'all gonna do.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Hey, what's books in them? It wasn't pretty.
Shannon Sharpe
No. But I'm just trying to figure out at 41 to 7 what plays that you could have made that would have made a difference.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Difference in the game. Yeah. Well, he said there are five plays. Maybe them five plays was when they scored.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Okay, that explains them. What about the plays that you didn't make?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, what about. So, so what happened to your offense? So when your offense had the ball, what did they do?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
He's. I'm assuming he's talking about his defense against the offense. Okay, what about your offense against their defense?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right. You guys, you gotta, you gotta speak as a team. You gotta speak for the team. You can't speak from an individual standpoint or just your side of the ball.
Shannon Sharpe
Jerry gonna be upset. Texas Monthly. I'm assuming this is a magazine in Texas, right? It's the biggest magazine in Texas. They named Jerry Jones Bum steer of the year. His ownership, the Dallas Cowboys, have become a money making mediocrity for transforming America's team into America's punchline. We're giving Jerry Jones our highest dishonor. Oh, can you see the picture? Can y'all see the picture on the screen?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. And why they got Jerry?
Shannon Sharpe
We're gonna get that, we're gonna get that focus here. He's not gonna be happy, Jerry. Like positive stuff written about him, right?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, wait, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
Shannon Sharpe
Now.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You can't, you can't say you want positive stuff written about you when that's just not what is given right now.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, they got Jerry shaped like a football and they kicked it.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What are you going to say? Positive about what was going on with the Cowboys right now, Outside of him not knowing the. Not knowing when to stop talking.
Shannon Sharpe
You remember that, that radio personality? Ask him that question and what did he say?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, that's right. That's right, that's right. I forgot that he tried to abuse his power.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, okay. They say, Jared, bomb steer of the year. You finally won something, Jerry.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
All right, it is messed up. Messed up, Chan.
Shannon Sharpe
But I mean, in order. But here's the thing, is that, Ojo, you have to do a self analysis of yourself and you have to be honest no matter what. It is not just a business. I think everybody at the end of the year, before you go into the new year, you look back and says, okay, here are some things that I thought I did really, really well. Here's some things I think I need to do better. Here are some things I was just God awful at and that can't happen again. Everybody should do a deep dive. I mean, a lot of people do a deep clean of their home.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
You know what I'm saying? Hey, I'm gonna do, you know, I'm cleaning this and I'm, oh, I'm getting rid of some stuff. I'm, you know, I'm gonna do this X, Y and Z.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
I think we all should do that. Do a deep dive, a self analysis of ourselves and then we can come out. Okay. Okay. And just try to be a better person. Jerry refuses to do that.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I like that. I like that. I like everything you just said. I'm gonna take that into account and I'm gonna do that at 11:59, right before the ball dropped.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, you should. You should. I mean, I think everybody should. I mean, I do it every year. There are things that I've done that I'm pleased with. There's some things that I've done that I'm not pleased with. There's some things that I know I can do better. You're always trying to improve the moment you're certified as a person. You're through as an individual.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that's it. That's it.
Shannon Sharpe
And I don't think enough people understand that. Some people, like, you know, I, I don't just look at it with, I got money. Really? Yeah. I don't want money to be a horrible person. I don't. Yeah, I don't.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You can't, you can't allow money to be your idea.
Shannon Sharpe
No, it can't.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Most people allow money to be their identity.
Shannon Sharpe
That's. It allows them to control you, become a prisoner to the, to the dollar.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And so that's, that's not where I am. I think everybody should do that chat, you know, maybe look, look back at yourself and like, man, what did I do well, what could I. What could I have done better? How could I become a better father, a better mother, a better brother, a better son, a better boyfriend, better girlfriend, a better whatever, a better employee, a better employer? Whatever the case may be, there's always things that we can improve upon, and I think we should try to improve upon those things.
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Shannon Sharpe
Cowboys legend Michael Irvin the playmaker believes his former team needs more hey, make it up. But without Harris. Michael that lives in Dallas blended for the Cowboys. But when I say that, let me read what he says. I'mma read what he says in its entirety. I just think it's time to go in another direction. I hear this late surge to be maybe go stay with Mike. I'm not on that bandwagon. What I believe is this team needs more discipline. I'm not saying Mike McCarthy is not a good ex and old coach, but I think the teams need more discipline and it's hard to bring that in. When you say the guy doesn't have the firm hand of discipline is going to bring somebody else in and help with that discipline. That doesn't work. You can't come off as soft and then try to get tough. It's a wrap. You got to come in and tough and then lighten up because the guys feel that they've earned some respect, earned some loosening up a little bit. But you come in loose and then you try to get firm. That's just get flat. That's exactly right. It's easy to be firm and lighten up as opposed to be soft because you see it as a parent, the soft parent. You don't been soft for the whole for like three, four years. And you get in here. Johnny and Johnny said as opposed as opposed to when Shannon said it's different. Yes. Cause they know with shadow. Hey. The kids know when Shannon yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey listen. And matter of fact just like that how you just did it. I I can picture my grandma right now. I'm up there in the choir sitting in the pew playing around with somebody and I look out there, I look out there and you can see her doing the same thing. Boy, if you don't, you don't stop. Can't scream in church. I think I can get away with it.
Shannon Sharpe
Shot them grandparents, ventriloquists, they be talking to your lips don't be moving. You'll see nothing because I'll be over there. I'd be over there asleep. My grandma look at my brother. Yeah, my brother hunched me like this. And I look over my grandma.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You can repeat everything.
Shannon Sharpe
That wasn't the Holy Ghost, y'all. When I started crying in church, that wasn't the Holy Ghost. My grandma told me she'd go cut my tail when I got home. That's what that was. I just want y'all to know. But you're right. You're right. I've always said that.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
You know why they don't have discipline? Because the coach has been emasculated. From the moment he steps in, Jerry controls it in the moment that the player real. It's like that with parents. If the child knows he can circumvent one parent in order to get what he wants from another parent, they'll do that, and you'll never have that child's respect. The same goes for players. They don't respect Mike. They like. They might like him. He might be great. As Mike says, great exes and nos. But Jerry has allowed this to happen. You know who the guy that had control and had discipline? Jimmie Johnson. You know the other guy that had control? Bill Parcells. Now, tell me the last time he hired somebody like Bill Parcells. We've seen Chan Gailey, we've seen Dave Campo, we've seen Wade Phillips, we've seen Jason Garrett, we've seen Mike McCarthy. Now, which one of those guys remind you and strike you as a disciplinarian, as parcels and Jimmy Johnson?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
None of them. None of them were. None of them are. None of them were. You know, and if things are going to change, you know, the change has to start. It has to start all the way at the top, and it ain't going to start. Countless people that I've also talked to and was kind of curious being that they're a little bit more closer to that side when it comes to, you know, owners and, like, does he have to do this? Does he not see he's getting in his own way or his team is successful? Yes. When it comes to making money. Yeah, I'm talking about.
Shannon Sharpe
But that's how you measure success now.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, listen, I'm talking about on field product, man. But I. I get it. It is what it's saying. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over every goddamn year and expecting different results. So.
Shannon Sharpe
The blindest man isn't the man that's blind. It's the man that chooses not to see.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on where is my pen and pad, bro?
Shannon Sharpe
It's a saying. Ocho. He got his eyes wide shut.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I lost my damn notepad, man. God damn it. That was a good one.
Shannon Sharpe
That's it, Ocho. Jerry refuses to see. Right, Ocho? I want to win.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I want to win my way.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But your way's not working. It's not working. It makes no sense to me.
Shannon Sharpe
There was a lot to take away from the last presser of the season from Cowboys DC Mike Zimmer. He walked off the podium holding back tears, explaining why his son Adam, who passed in 22 was a big reason he came back this season. Said he had no feelings really around his contract status. Someone said has to want you in order for him to return in 25. Wish he had done things his way earlier in the season and called it his biggest regret of the year. Cowboys Demarion overshadow responded. We want him. Doesn't matter what you guys want.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, you know, the final save. Couldn't die.
Shannon Sharpe
Demarion you had. He was having an unbelievable season. I think he's going to be a phenomenal player once he get back. That's a very serious injury. So he might miss the entire 2025 season. I just want him to come back fully healthy because he has a bright, promising future. But at the end of the day, his full quote. This is what Zim said. I wish that when I. When. When I came in, I did everything the way I wanted it done. That was probably the struggles at the beginning. I was just doing things I was uncomfortable with and so I had to do what I had to do. I've said it. Some coaches, you come in here, what's the situation? They were good last year. Right. So I come in. I don't really want to rock the boat. I wasn't as tough as it typically am. True. Because you know them. Yeah, listen, I probably wasn't as hard headed about it as I think the best way to say it. That's what I regret the most.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You think he's coming back?
Shannon Sharpe
Here's the thing, Ocho. If you got a new coaching staff, the coach is going to want to.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Bring his guy and that's exactly what he's going to do.
Shannon Sharpe
That's the problem with J. See, here's the thing. It's kind of like with the Lakers. The Lakers hire head coach and then they put the people on your staff. No, I want. That's what they try to do with T. Lou and then you try to undercut him and say, okay, I'm going To give you a three year deal. Now everybody else getting five year deals, right? And then y'all not. How you gonna give me a. A less than. A less than market value deal and then you gonna hire my staff. That's Jerry. So, Jerry, want to point? Who you. Oh, oh, Mike Zimmer. You're gonna be the deal. Hey, you hiring Mike Zimmer as your D coordinator? Oh, you hired this guy as your offensive coordinator?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Calling all the shots. Gotta get out your own way.
Shannon Sharpe
Prime rips reporters that Shador wouldn't want to play for the Browns or the Titan. It will be multiple idiots that will say things that are totally aren't true. Regarding. I would like Shador and Shiloh to play in the NFL if I were to say it directly. To whom it may concern. Not an attention seeker. I don't know NFL commission personally. I do know. Oh, I do know NFL commission personally. Dropped. He like mic drop. Look, I hadn't talked to prime in a while because look, he's getting ready for the bowl games. I don't want to bother. I'm a bother his ass now. He ain't got no bowl game to play. Yeah, he ain't got no bowl game to play for, so I'm a bother. Dance tomorrow. I'm calling tomorrow.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I talked to Prime. I talked to prime yesterday on day before yesterday. He was checking. He was checking on me, right? About my situation. You already know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I need to go in depth. He's like, everything good on there? I said, yeah, everything good. He said, man, I'm. I'mma hit. I'mma hit. Unk. I. I was. I was waiting on my spirits to get back up because, you know, we lost. We lost the ball. So I. I need a few days and myself. So, you know, he hit me and I thought I said, every, Every. Everything is good. Everything good. So you know what? I'mma come on in with you guys. You know, I was like. I said, I like, nah, don't. Come on.
Shannon Sharpe
Don't.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Come on. Let's save it. Let's save him. February 6th.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Knock. All he want to do is clown me. Nope, that's all he want to do. That's all they do. When he called, he sent me a text. So, no, the thing is, in times like, I think I read something where he said he had. Y'all forgot. Y'all was talking like this, but y'all forgot. I got time today. The only thing I tell time is like, when I'm going to 25. I ain't chasing no lie. Yeah, I'm not gonna chase it. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna shoot it down. I'm not gonna try to refute it. Whatever y'all believe. Run with that.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It is what it is.
Shannon Sharpe
It is what it. Now I'm gonna see how long it goes because that's one thing we know about a lie. Watch. Watch how quick it disappear. Yeah, watch how quick it disappear.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know. You know what? I don't like to not getting back to prime, you know, with that door and whatever Reporter says, you know, he wouldn't want to play for the browns. I mean, why even write something like that? It has. It has to come from somewhere or you just making it up.
Shannon Sharpe
A lot of times people want to. Want to be the first to report something because if you said that, you know, the first man to climb Mount Everest, the first man to put a man put on the moon, right. It's not the second. It's not the second guy they remember. It's the first guy. It's Roger bannister that broke the sub 4 minute mile. It was element Edmund Hillary and notice and the sharper sherpa that scaled Mount Everest. Right. Who remembers the second guy? Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Who was the first guy to run sub 97 Usain Bolt. Who was the first guy to run sub 9 6? Usain Bolt. Now the second guy, the next guy. No, no, Tyson Gay ran sub. So did the predator. What's his name? Predator from Jamaica. Johan Blake.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Johan Blake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's his nickname.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I didn't know that. Okay, okay. That's the first.
Shannon Sharpe
But nah, my prime gonna be all right. He's done a great job. And you know, I, you know, I call him from time to time. He's like, bro, hey, you got favor, you anointed. And they're gonna take their shots.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, always. Hey, listen. And then with them taking the shots, he's someone that can handle it, though. That's different.
Shannon Sharpe
Because like you said, Ocho, he's been dealing. He's been dealing with this his entire career.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
He's been primed his entire. He's been time his entire career. And he knows how to handle it.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And I don't know how he does it because people have been taking shots at him, hey, since he got to the Falcons, right?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. He good. He good.
Shannon Sharpe
Former pro bowl Jamal Adams regret asking for a trade from the jets fans. I didn't know I heard him like that. I didn't realize I had that Much impact. Now, I would tell myself, don't make an emotional decision. No, you left the jets and your career was the same that you thought it was. Because I don't believe Ocho, if he'd have had the career that he was having at the jets once he went to Seattle, I don't believe he has this regret.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right, Okay, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. He was, I mean, Jamal Adams, good man. Yes. Especially around that goddamn box. Inside the box. He was. He was really.
Shannon Sharpe
He could attack the quarterback. Great at run. I mean, he's a little stiff to him, so he wasn't great at pass coverage, but that's okay. Every. Everybody is not. Everybody is not going to be Ed Reed. Everybody gonna be Troy Palomalu. Everybody ain't gonna be that Ronnie Lott. Everybody gonna be Woody Rod or Charles as they transition from corner to safety. And that's okay. But that's why I'm saying sometimes Ocho and I've gotta do a better job of this. Sometimes you gotta take the emotion out of a decision.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Ooh. Now that's. That's the hard part.
Shannon Sharpe
Boy, you got something. You gotta. You gotta being able to make a.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Decision and then compartmentalize separating the two emotions. Boom. You over here. Decision. Most decisions are made based on emotion.
Shannon Sharpe
What happens when emotions are high? Logic is low.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Ooh, that's another. Ooh, that's another. That's a far. That's a bar. Where's my damn pen and pad, man?
Shannon Sharpe
That's what you have to understand.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And look at me again. Now. Get it to me.
Shannon Sharpe
When emotion is high, logic is low. Every decision. Look, every decision. Trust me. I've analyzed everything that I've done, and I've replayed the scenario. What I did. What could I have done differently? What should I have done differently?
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
I'm learning, Shannon. Take the emotion out of it. Sometimes people that are saying these things, they're saying just to get a reaction. Look, I got Shannon Sharpe to say this. I got Unk to say that.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
They don't root for you. And that's the thing that you have to understand. Ocho. Everybody that show up on your timeline isn't for Ocho. Everybody that's on my timeline isn't for Shannon Sharpe.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
And you have to, like, you know what? A lot of times now, like I said, y'all. They say stuff. I see it. I'm gonna let y'all rock. I'm gonna let y'all have it, right? Think y'all. Y'all Win. Y'all want a response? I respond to the ones like, look, this is what I saw. This is why I said this. This is why I said that. But I'm not going back with no negativity. Life is true. Like, God has put me in this position right here, in a position that I didn't think I would be in as fast as I am. And I'm not so sure. Like, I got to know I got a prayer, sister. I know my grandma said, stayed up many a night on her knees, and God heard prayers I didn't even know he was listening to. I'm not going to go back and forth with people that don't have Shannon Shar best interest in mind. I know who they are. That's my team. I've surrounded myself with some really good people, right? Everybody. Everybody moving forward has gotten vetted. Ash, hey, she knows that's her responsibility. She does the hiring. C.J. has that. I let them run what they're supposed to run, right. I'm normally the third of the fourth smartest guy in the room. And I'm okay with that.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I like that.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm okay with that. But they know they have the responsibility. I trust them. I sincerely trust them. I said, I hired you for a reason. I said, you're my first hire. Hell, I hired Ash. She like, Shannon, what we gonna do? I said, I don't know. She said, well, if you don't know, I'm still going, right? He had a job at Fox. And she left to come with me. I'm paying out my pocket.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's live.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm paying out my pocket.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
C.J. the same thing. He said. He said all I needed. You gonna give me benefits, cj, I got you. Yeah, CJ left. I told Jordan. He's like, hey, boss, I don't know. I said, look, you can't take no damn pictures from Cincinnati, right? So either you coming to la, I'm gonna have to find somebody else. Uncle, come on my way. I don't know how he got there. You drove with U Haul, didn't you? Oh, you have your stuff. He had stuff shipped. But we put this team together.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And, hey, it's been on with it since. It's been on onward and upward since. We've hired a lot of people. We've hired a lot of people for Nightcap. We have a lot of people that's doing a lot of great things. And so, Ocho, I just had to learn, hey, take it on the chin, right? Just take it on a. The group Turns like Shannon. You can't say Shannon. Why you try to fight every battle? Why you try to fight every battle? It's okay. Yeah, let God fight him.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, you know what? Especially in relationships and is more so the women, I think things would be much easier if they chose their battles wisely. Everything. Everything. Don't have to. You don't have to address everything. Not every damn thing.
Shannon Sharpe
Come on. I just, you know, I thought Jamal Adams should have, should have, should have stayed at the Jets. I don't know. Maybe it was in his contract. He wanted to get paid. Sometimes, bro, the grass ain't always greener.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No.
Shannon Sharpe
And it's really difficult. It's rare. It's really, really rare, Ocho, that you can build up something here and then go somewhere else and it be the same. It's difficult. And I remember having a conversation with a great player, and he called me, he said, unc, Timmy, what you think I should do? I said, I'm going to be honest with you. I say, where you're thinking about going, they're never going to love you like you, like they do where you are. I say never. I don't care what you do. You'll be loved where you are.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
You're just going to be another piece. He stayed and. And I don't think enough guys realize that. Yeah, I mean, I get it. Ocho, like free agency and they won't pay you.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
But when you request things.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, what's fair is fair based on where he was at the time. Being a safety, you got to hit it when the stove is hot. And the stove was hot for him.
Shannon Sharpe
Right. And let's think about it. Because think about, had he not did what he did and he had gotten hurt, then he wouldn't have got that money at all.
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The volume.
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Podcast Information:
In the final episode of 2024, hosts Shannon Sharpe and former NFL star Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson engage in a spirited discussion covering recent NFL developments, team performances, player contracts, and leadership dynamics within teams. Titled "Nightcap - Hour 1: Lions’ Perfect on Road, Cowboys are America’s Punch Line, Coach Prime Shuts Down Rumors," the episode delves deep into the intricacies of the current NFL season, offering insightful analysis and candid opinions.
The episode kicks off with a detailed analysis of the Detroit Lions' impressive road win against the San Francisco 49ers, securing a score of 40-34.
Shannon Sharpe ([04:22]): "The San Francisco 49ers lose at home to the Detroit Lions. To the Lions. Put up another 40 ball. You're going to have to score points to beat this football team."
Chad Ochocinco Johnson ([05:08]): "Yes."
Sharpe highlights the Lions' offensive prowess and strategic coaching, praising their balanced attack with 34 rushing attempts and 33 passing attempts. He commends General Manager Brad Holmes for his effective drafts and trades, which have significantly strengthened the team.
The conversation shifts to individual player performances, focusing on notable Lions players like Jared Goff, Jibbs (Juwan Jennings), and T.J. Hockenson.
Sharpe and Ochocinco discuss the impact of interceptions thrown by Jared Goff, attributing the loss of the game significantly to these turnovers.
A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing player contracts, specifically focusing on T.J. Hockenson and Jamal Adams. The hosts debate the fairness of contract offers and the impact of financial decisions on team dynamics and player loyalty.
Shannon Sharpe ([26:37]): "I think he's saying all the right things. You don't want to because you know Ochocinco, if he goes, oh, he's selfish. Why he's selfish."
Chad Ochocinco Johnson ([27:30]): "It's about fairness based on where he was at the time. Being a safety, you got to hit it when the stove is hot."
Sharpe emphasizes the challenges teams face in valuing top players appropriately without overextending financially, drawing parallels to other high-profile contracts like Tom Brady's.
The hosts critique the Dallas Cowboys' coaching strategies, particularly targeting head coach Mike McCarthy's approach and the overall team discipline under Jerry Jones' ownership.
Shannon Sharpe ([49:53]): "Jerry controls it from the moment he steps in. The players don't respect Mike because Jerry has allowed this to happen."
Chad Ochocinco Johnson ([50:40]): "Most people allow money to be their identity. It allows them to control you, become a prisoner to the dollar."
Sharpe and Ochocinco argue that the lack of discipline stems from inconsistent leadership and management interference, which undermines coaching efforts and team performance.
Towards the episode's conclusion, Sharpe and Ochocinco reflect on the importance of self-analysis, personal growth, and managing negativity both on and off the field.
Shannon Sharpe ([50:22]): "Everyone should do a deep dive, a self-analysis of ourselves and then come out and try to be better."
Chad Ochocinco Johnson ([51:34]): "You can't allow money to be your identity."
They discuss the necessity for athletes to separate personal emotions from professional decisions, emphasizing that success requires both emotional intelligence and strategic thinking.
The "Nightcap" episode of Club Shay Shay offers a comprehensive analysis of recent NFL events, focusing on the Detroit Lions' strategic victories, the complexities of player contracts, and the challenges of coaching and team discipline. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson provide candid insights, blending their extensive football knowledge with personal reflections on leadership and self-improvement. This engaging discussion not only informs but also inspires listeners to consider the multifaceted nature of professional sports and personal growth.
For those who missed the episode, this summary encapsulates the key discussions and takeaways, providing a thorough understanding of the topics covered in this dynamic podcast episode.