Chad Ochocinco Johnson (4:41)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (4:41)

The first game. We're going to talk about that. It wasn't much of a game, the turnovers. We talked about it, Ocho, but it's something about when Buffalo and Kansas City get together.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (4:50)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (4:51)

In the postseason, it always comes down to one play, one possession. And the master of the one possession is Patrick Mahomes. If you give him a shot, yeah, he's going to do something spectacular. Thank you guys. Welcome to the booth. Welcome to the nightcap. Boost Mobile. Visit Boot the nearest Boost Mobile store or boost mobile.com to join their 5G nationwide network today. Thank you again. Boost Mobile. Ocho, please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you Hit that like button. That way you can catch your favorite aunt, Shannon Sharpe, and the Liberty City legend, your favorite nephew, Bingo's ring of fame honoree, the Pro Bowler, that's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Guys, please go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from, tell a family friend and loved one to do likewise. Make sure you check out Shave by La Portier. We do have it in stock. Kansas City, Philly, y'all celebrate. What better way to celebrate than with a bottle of Shade by La Portier. If you cannot find it in a city or state near you, order it. We'll ship it directly to your door and you will have it before Super Bowl Sunday. So if the big game, you can even celebrate. But one more thing. Please drink responsibly.

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Yeah.

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (6:51)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (6:51)

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (8:55)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (8:57)

Didn't go back the next year. They won it again. He was Finals mvp. They went back again. They got swept. They went back again. In 84, they lost.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (9:07)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (9:09)

No, they lost to the Rockets in 84. They went back again. They won in 85. They lost in 86. They won 87 in 88. So the only thing I could think that could rival this off the top of my head, and Ash just threw this up here as a thing of trivia and chat. Y'all feel free to chime in. If the better start to a career, Magic is right there with him. Because Magic has what, three finals MVPs? Two records. He has three MVPs, but he would have to see. Go back to there. Bonocho Patrick Mahomes is sensational.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (9:39)

I don't know what else to say.

Shannon Sharpe (9:41)

I don't either.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (9:42)

I don't know what else to say about him. You say it all the time. Everybody says all the time. When it comes to playing special, in moments when the game is on the line, when you absolutely need it, if there's somebody who want to put the ball in their hands at a crucial time in the game, who else are you picking at the quarterback position? Out of everybody that's ever played outside of Tom Brady, you got to go with Mahomes.

Shannon Sharpe (10:10)

I'm going with Mahomes even. I'm going with Mahomes even with Brady. If I take him. If I take him at this point in time in their careers, I'm taking Mahomes because of one thing. His legs.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:20)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (10:21)

You see the two touchdown runs you see the first down run. That's why I would take him, because he can do everything. Brady, he can make every throw. He can make plays outside the pocket. And that's not to. Look, we know what Tom is. I still believe Tom is the Goat. Right? Now, Mahomes just passed. Because I had him tied with Joe. Yeah, right. Now I got him in second. Whoa, whoa.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:42)

I got a question now.

Shannon Sharpe (10:43)

Go ahead.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:44)

Now we have to have a conversation. Chat. Y'all got to stay with me real quick. Now we got to have a conversation. When we talk about the Goat. When we talk about the greatest quarterback of all time. If Mahomes is able to go to New Orleans, you hear me? If he's able to go fall into that Superdome and perhaps pull off a 3P. We got to have a conversation.

Shannon Sharpe (11:05)

We're going to have a conversation, Ocho. But I don't think we can put him in front because he's still. Even if he were to win, he's still three behind. Now, let's just say, for the sake of argument, my bad. He goes back and forth. Pete, it's done. We ain't talking no more.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (11:18)

Right?

Shannon Sharpe (11:19)

Ain't nothing else to discuss. If Patrick Mahomes. Let's get past this. You're going to have that discussion because nobody else has ever done it. Nobody's ever done a three peat in the super bowl era. Has there been teams that win championships? Okay, yes, but we're talking about the super bowl and when Mahomes. Because here's the thing, Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (11:36)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (11:37)

On third and four, most teams are going to run the ball burn. 34 seconds, 35, 36 seconds off the clock. That's not what Andy will do. We've seen Andy far too many times. Put that ball in his hands. He said, son, I believe in you. Last year against the Baltimore Ravens, what did he do? He threw the ball to MBS 30 yards down the field. Andy is not going to sit on it. Ocho, I'm gonna turn it back over to you. To this.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (12:03)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (12:03)

I had a conversation with you last week.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (12:05)

Talk to me.

Shannon Sharpe (12:05)

I said, ocho, when Spags feel threatened, what's he gonna do? He gonna blow it up. When he felt threatened with Josh on fourth down and he felt threatened, what he did.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (12:15)

Hold on. This is the thing about it. This is the thing about it. Spags waited until the right time for an exotic blitz they hadn't seen. All game?

Shannon Sharpe (12:26)

Yep.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (12:26)

All game. Spags sat on that. Like, think about that. When you talk about playing chess and you Talk about playing checkers. You ain't blitz like that to that magnitude the entirety of the game. But you wait on the right moment to use that one exotic blitz, and it got home.

Shannon Sharpe (12:44)

He gonna blow it up. Anytime he feel. If you go back and study spags, especially when he's been with Kansas City, that's all. When you threaten him, you get in his territory and he feels the momentum, he's going to come. He's going to give you zero coverage, what we call bomb blitz. He's looking to blow it up, and that's exactly what he did. Kincaid. I think he kind of lost it in the life. He misjudged it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:06)

Now, this is because Josh still.

Shannon Sharpe (13:08)

Excuse me. Excuse me. Josh still made a hell of a throw to throw it off his back foot. Give Karloftus credit because he didn't drive him into the ground. He was close. He hit him. Let him go.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:18)

Let him go.

Shannon Sharpe (13:18)

Ain't gonna get. I ain't gonna get no foul in this place.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:21)

Ocho, you know, you know, you know, Kincaid, catch that ball. You know that we talk about. We talk about something totally different now, right?

Shannon Sharpe (13:28)

We pro. Because we. Now, they might get a touchdown, but I'm not banking against. Because you mess around and get a touchdown and you lead 35, 40 seconds on the clock, and they got two timeouts. I ain't betting against my homeboy.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:38)

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Listen, we've seen him do it before.

Shannon Sharpe (13:42)

We've seen. We started getting the field goal range with 13 seconds.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:46)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (13:47)

Josh is probably thinking, what the hell do I gotta do to beat this man?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (13:52)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (13:53)

What happened. What was that last year? What happened last year is that somebody beat him and, oh, Kansas City went to Buffalo and beat him. He like, damn, I just can't beat this man in the postseason. I wanted home field. I got it. He come to my house, kick my ass. I go to his house. He kicked my ass. So can I go? I need to go to another conference and play on the super bowl. And then maybe I just get to the super bowl like that. And I see him in the super bowl because he keep beating my tail before I get to the big dance.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (14:23)

Listen, we are in for a treat. We are in for a treat. If you have. If you have a AFC team, if you're a Bengals fan, a Ravens fan, a Bills fan, or a Chiefs fan, and I'm trying to think what other teams might be in contention. This is going to be for the next decade, huh? It's going to be a joy to watch for the next Decade. Those four quarterbacks go at it and see who ends up in the AFC championship. And. But they got. They got to knock. They got to knock the big man down.

Shannon Sharpe (14:52)

They got to knock him down.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (14:53)

You got to knock down the big domino.

Shannon Sharpe (14:55)

You got to knock him down. And they've done a great job. He's taking less money, Ocho. He's supposed to be the first. He's supposed to have got $60 million five years ago. He said, nah, I'm good with this. He's supposed to have got 60, 70 million dollars. Now. He said, no, I'm good with this. He said, because I need C.J. yeah, I need y'all to have some money because McDuffie is going to come up and I'm going to need y'all to pay him. But I'm also need y'all. If some of these free agents, wide receivers become available and we can get them on the low, I'm going to need you to get them. And you see, he's all. He's like, at the end of the day, he's going to make way. He going to have enough money. And Tom realized that. Yeah, Tom like, bro, when you got that kind of money, Ocho, you get what they call acquisition. So, hey, bro, I got this big deal coming out for you. Hey, check this out. Don't nobody know about it. For 250, I'll let you get in. I give you a percentage. I just read today that Jeff Bezos bought $250,000 worth of Google stock before it came available. Now that's about 3 million shares. Yeah, go Google, Google and see how many 3 million shares is. When you got that kind of money, people like, well, damn, how guys got that kind of money? Next thing you know, they was making 50 million, had 100 million, and now they had 500. They had a billion. Ta da.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:08)

Yeah. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (16:09)

I ain't telling what somebody told you. Tell me.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:10)

I know.

Shannon Sharpe (16:11)

I.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:11)

And you know, you got to think about it, too. Also, people in the chat, you have to understand, everybody's not as fortunate. Everybody in the situations like that, most of the time, most quarterbacks in a situation, you don't have the revenue or the stream of revenue and income off the field.

Shannon Sharpe (16:27)

No.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:28)

So Tom Brady. Tom Brady was different. Tom Brady can take a home team.

Shannon Sharpe (16:32)

Discount, you know, and he had a wife.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:34)

He had a wife that's making 40, 40, $38 million a year. So it's different. It offsets what you not getting from the team.

Shannon Sharpe (16:42)

It.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:42)

All right, then you think about. You think About Patrick Mahomes, sponsors, endorsements, coming off the field. So the pay cut that you're taking to allow Andy Reid and the Hunts to build a team around you so that you can compete and be in contention year in and year out, you making up for it anyway.

Shannon Sharpe (17:00)

Yeah. And the Hunts have already said, don't worry about it. You're never going to have to worry about anything. Because guess what? After next year, they're going to tear it up again.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:10)

And you know what? You know what they gonna do? They gonna give you more upfront.

Shannon Sharpe (17:13)

More upfront. That's what it is.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:15)

So it doesn't. So it doesn't hurt the cap, and you're gonna be all right.

Shannon Sharpe (17:18)

And you see him, the MLS team, he invested in that. I think he got a piece of the Royals invested in that. So when you have money, Ocho, if you have money and you a good person, you're not a jerk, people will want. Hey, check this out. They take. We getting ready. Getting ready to start a MLS team or we getting ready to buy this MLS team? We'd love for you to go in with us. We just want your name. Gonna cost your ex. Oh, really? Call your financial people, see if it's real on the up and up.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:46)

Boom.

Shannon Sharpe (17:46)

There you go. That's how it happens. But I thought Josh played really well. And Ocho, I told you, I don't need him to be Superman. The one thing he didn't do. See, I thought the game was about to get out of hand until Patrick Mahomes fumbled that ball and gave Buffalo life. I thought that game was about to get out of hand, Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (18:02)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (18:03)

Yes, sir. I thought it was about to get. I said, oh, Lord have mercy. And then Buffalo. Give Buffalo credit. They made. Cause they came out in the second half, O2. And I don't know if you agree with me or not. It seemed like they made a concerted effort to run the football.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (18:16)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (18:16)

James Cook, Josh Allen, I forget the. Hold on. Let me look at Davis. Davis, Davis, Johnson. I thought they'd say, you know what? Let's run the football. They're playing this soft coverage. They try to kind of try to play us with nickel a 4, 2, 5. Let's run the football. And they started running the football. And Cook started having some success. Johnson had a run or two. But Kansas City, I mean, I really don't know what you say about Mahomes, because every play that he made that he had to make, he found Juju about to get. He slings it to Juju. And juju breaks away. Give Buffalo credit. Kept him out of the end zone on that one. But guys, I don't. Listen, Pocho, let's go ahead and let's go. The elephant in the room.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (18:56)

Okay, Come on.

Shannon Sharpe (18:57)

On that fourth down call, everybody said, well, he got it. Guys, I'm trying to figure out. And I was asking myself, how does the guy on the far side of the field with all those bodies, right. Says he's got it. When the guy right here closest to him said, no, no.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:13)

Yeah, yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (19:14)

Here's the thing, Ocho. He has the ball like this.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:17)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (19:19)

The ball is not over the line.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:21)

Line.

Shannon Sharpe (19:21)

Yeah. Your shoulder is. It's where the ball is. But the ball didn't break the plane.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:27)

Yeah. At all. He did. He didn't break the plane. And the. The smart thing you want to do. Most people say, why you don't extend the ball, man, you extend the ball in them trenches like that. It's coming.

Shannon Sharpe (19:37)

You see, he fumbled. One of them, you see, he fumbled.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:39)

He got it back when he jumped over the pile. It can't get back to him. Now. You got lucky there.

Shannon Sharpe (19:44)

That's not it. Because here's the difference, Ocho. In the goal line, once you break the plane, it's dead. It's dead in the field of play, it's alive. It's still lying. You go over and they punch that ball out and they get it. That's their ball. There's a big difference between the two. Between the goal line and the line that's in the line of play, that's in field, the line of scrimmage. But I didn't think he got it. And when they. And when I looked at it in real time, I said, he didn't get it. Yeah, he didn't.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:10)

But we obviously didn't. People, People were arguing the call. Talk about his. Yeah, but where the ball is, it's.

Shannon Sharpe (20:16)

It's.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:16)

If you had the ball tucked into your chest and you not passing line, if anything, you would have to extend it for you to get the first down.

Shannon Sharpe (20:23)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:24)

You can't. You can't do that in that scenario in the trenches like that and that scrum, you just can't.

Shannon Sharpe (20:29)

He didn't. He didn't want to. The thing was. Oo. He didn't want to fumble it. No, no, no, no. So he had the ball, he held it tight. Cuz he know guys go. And so in the holding it tight. Now I got. They got you wrapped up, so now you can extend it. Oo. Because I got my Arms around you, and I won't let you do this right.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:45)

And what you want to rely on. You want. You want to. You want to rely on your teammates and your offensive players to kind of push you forward?

Shannon Sharpe (20:51)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:51)

Obviously, the momentum will stop.

Shannon Sharpe (20:53)

And the Chiefs, they got him stopped.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:54)

Yeah, they weren't having it. Damn.

Shannon Sharpe (20:57)

That was.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:58)

That was a good game, though, man.

Shannon Sharpe (20:59)

That was a good game. Worthy. Worthy showed he got better and better as the year progressed. Filling in for Rasheed Rice, Hollywood Brown was gone. Hollywood came back, had a couple of big catches today. Juju came in, had two catches. He only had three targets. He had another one. Mahomes overshot him in the middle of the field, and he jumped. He overshot him. Mahomes overthrew him. Hollywood had a big catch. Kelsey was very relatively quiet. They did a great job. I wanted. They probably. They probably didn't think. I thought Hamlin held. I mean, looking at the all 22 at the high above, I thought Hamlin held him several times. They didn't call it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (21:36)

Yeah. I mean, what they. What the refs did allow them to do. They allowed him to play football.

Shannon Sharpe (21:41)

They did. They allowed him to play a little bit today. You muted, Ocho. Yeah. You muted. Well, OO was muted. Boy, this was a good game, I think. Look, I understand that Buffalo. If you're. You're. You're a Buffalo fan and you didn't win, I could understand your disappointment. Yep. You're back, Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:09)

Okay. Yeah, I did. I was switching. I wanted to. I want to switch to the mic so I can use the mic because I'm glad to hear the damn echo now. I was saying if. But as far as the holding calls are going now, what I did like about the ref. The refs allowed him to play football. We're going to allow you to play football. Now, the holding calls or the pass interference calls. Now, they did call if. It was egregious and you were impeding the player from getting to a spot.

Shannon Sharpe (22:31)

And they should have.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:32)

You got to call some of those.

Shannon Sharpe (22:34)

Yeah, you got to. You should have. Yeah, the one on McDuffie. Yeah, it was a. It was a PI. Yeah, but that. You can't. Josh Allen couldn't throw that ball any better.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:44)

No, no.

Shannon Sharpe (22:44)

McDuffie couldn't have any better coverage. Touchdown.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:47)

The one to Mac Hollands.

Shannon Sharpe (22:48)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:49)

Yeah. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (22:49)

That was nice.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:50)

That was nice.

Shannon Sharpe (22:51)

Holland stuck his hand up because what's basically what you call him had his other arm. He stuck it up, the ball said poop.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:57)

That was perfect. That was good. That was a good catch. That was a very good catch.

Shannon Sharpe (23:00)

Great catch. What, to have 147 rush yards average, basically almost four and a half yards of carry. The one thing about Kansas City, see Kansas City, I thought they let the game get kind of almost get away from them. They started running it on first down. Well, what happens when you don't run, when you run on first down and you don't get positive yards? Now it's second and long.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (23:25)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (23:26)

Now you. Or second and they got a cup. They got trapped behind the line a couple of times. So now it's second and long. Now Buffalo dials the blitz up on you. Now they trap you. Now it's third and long. You get a procedure penalty. Now it's even. Third and longer.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (23:42)

Third. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (23:43)

If you see what happened, they went back, they said, uh, man, let's go back. Throw it on first down. Because if you think about Ocho, they opened the game, they throw it in the first. The first blue. They got this, the new formation. You know, Andy, Andy, a couple of things that you haven't seen him before, never seen before. But, man, this was an unbelievable game. I expected it to be what I got. I expected Buffalo to play tough. I expected Kansas City to win a very, very close game because it come down to turnovers. Now they got one and they turned it into points. Josh fumbled the ball, but he was able to jump back on it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (24:20)

Jump back on it. But, man, I feel, you know, I want to say feel bad. I don't want to say feel sad. But for Buffalo fans, for Buffalo fans, if you're a Bills fan, like, you just. You have to be happy in a sense. Obviously you didn't. You weren't able to make it to the Super Bowl. But every year you're gonna have a chance. And if you keep chopping wood, at some point, at some point, you gotta beat the man. And you're probably going to beat the man. This just hadn't been your year. You continue to get close, closer and closer and closer. And at some point, it's gonna happen. I don't know when. With the way the Chiefs are playing, with the way Mahomes is playing, I don't know when that will happen.

Shannon Sharpe (24:59)

And Andy ain't going nowhere. No, Andy's in. Andy's rejuvenated, Andy's invigorated because they keep Andy young. I know Andy was. Andy was in Green Bay with my brother. And so I know Red, my brother thinks the world of him. He used to go to the Pro bowl. And his wife would come to the bar and sit down and have a drink with us and laugh and talk. They're great people. But this situation right here, at some point in time we're going to start mentioning Andy as a top three four all time coach of all time.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:31)

All time. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (25:33)

All time. All time. You look at what he did in Philly.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:37)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (25:38)

You look at what he doing now, there's a chance in the next two years Andy can have 300 regular season wins. Yes. Three tops. And, and, and how old is Andy? 66. I think it's 66.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:55)

67.

Shannon Sharpe (25:56)

66.

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Shannon Sharpe (28:54)

Hey guys, it's Matt Jones. Drew Franklin from the Fade this podcast. We got a great episode coming up. Picks in all the sports. Football, basketball, we do them all. But here's a preview of this week's episode. I've seen people in the gambling community kind of make jokes about fade this and we just goof off and don't even talk about the games. Bring your records and set them on this table right now. All you out there that are spend two hours talking about the games and will in the last seven years and night games, they've come in and haven't scored 20 points and you get too detailed. Bring your records right here to fade this. We'll, we'll talk about books and cooking and Kevin Costner and still make more money betting on sports than you will. And this episode was brought to you in partnership with DraftKings. To hear more, listen and subscribe to Fade this on iheartradio or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hold on. If Pete Carroll could take his ass on 74. Yeah, yeah, you right, you right, you're right, Andy. Guess what, Ocho, he got Mahomes for another decade. Yeah. At men. At men if he wanted. Now, I'm not saying he's going to be. He's going to coach Mahomes for the next decade. But I'm saying he got it if he wanted. So what's the likelihood of Mahomes not winning at least 10 games? They got 17 games. I don't see a scenario where Mahomes dips under 10. I can see he's going to win somewhere between 11 and 14 games a year. For the foreseeable future. Now, this thing about this notion. And see, this is why you got to capture the moment. You believe Josh, you believe Lamar, go keep knocking on that door, and he gonna get there.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (30:35)

Oh, yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (30:35)

So if he gets there, that means, guess what? Josh is not, right? You say Joe Burrow, you believe he go. That means Lamar and Josh is not going to get there, right? So at some point in time, you can only have one. And you got Mahomes, you got Lamar, you got Joe Burrow, you got Josh Allen. Now, those are your four big guns. Those are the Four Horsemen of the afc.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (30:57)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (30:58)

Now, you got some guys that's on the peripheral. You got a Justin Herbert. I believe they'll be better. Jim Harbaugh in his first year, got them to the playoffs. He's right there. Bo Nix is right there. So you got so. But you got the Four Kings, the Four Horsemen in the afc. My homeboy, Lamar Burrow and Josh Allen. Right? And you there. And here's the thing that you got oo. At some point in time, you not going to be able to dodge them all. You're going to have to knock one of them off in order to get to where you want to go. You're not going to be lucky and have somebody else. Well, man, somebody knocked out Mahomes, and then somebody knocked out Burrow, and then somebody knocked out Allen, and then somebody knocked out this one, and somebody knocked. And you got smooth. Say, you're gonna have to see one of those Four Horsemen for the next decade. If you want to go. If you want to get to where you want to go, you're gonna have to beat one of them Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (32:02)

You know, it's gonna be exciting. It's gonna be an exciting next 10 years. You know, obviously, I'm looking forward to my Bangles getting there again. I'm looking forward to Joe Burrow. Now, if we do, we need to do in fixing that, you know what you need to do most. Hey, can you hear me okay?

Shannon Sharpe (32:19)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (32:19)

You sure?

Shannon Sharpe (32:22)

Huh?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (32:24)

Okay. Okay. I'm good now. Okay. Okay.

Shannon Sharpe (32:26)

No, I'm just doing regular. I'm just doing regular season wins. Yes, he has 301. When you combine the postseason.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (32:33)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (32:33)

But I'm just talking regular season win. He's at 273. I think coach. Coach Shula has the most regular season WINS at what? 328. Then Coach Belichick. Oh, Coach. Y'all challenge. 330, right? 323. 318. 302. Oh, yeah. Coach Belichick better hear him and come back and he gonna be passing. It could be a situation next year. And it could be at what, 285 next three years? Within the next three years. Ocho, he's going over 300.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:12)

Yeah, yeah. Most. Most definitely.

Shannon Sharpe (33:13)

He's going over 300.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:14)

Most definitely. Most definitely. Where's Belichick at?

Shannon Sharpe (33:18)

He's number three at 302, right? Three hundred and two.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:27)

That'S dope.

Shannon Sharpe (33:29)

Now Andy's like, you know what? Hey. He talked to the wife and she's like, hey, Andy, you having fun? Is keeping you young. Stay. He mess around and stay as long as Belichick had Brady.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:43)

Right. Well, we got. We gonna have to come. We'll have a. We're gonna have to have. We're gonna have to have a conversation.

Shannon Sharpe (33:49)

Hey, he must rather have 400 wins.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:52)

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Shannon Sharpe (33:55)

Yeah. 400 wins. It'll never be broken.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:57)

Absolutely. But you know what? Also with that, you need so many things to go, right. Health, health. Yes. On field health. Mahomes staying healthy.

Shannon Sharpe (34:06)

Yep.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:06)

The pieces to that puzzle, you know that's going to always change. No matter what, it's going to always change. But Golly Boy, that 15. That 15 make everything go, boy. Jesus, he's special.

Shannon Sharpe (34:19)

Another chap. Another champion Bulls playoff heartbreak history. Wide right against the giants. Super Bowl 25 low out losses and three Super Bowls. The 2022 overtime thriller in Kansas City. Buffalo led with 13 seconds. They get in field goal range, kick the field goal, and then Mahomes takes them down the field and they don't look back. They never let him. Buffalo touch the ball. He hits Travis Kelce walk off. Touchdown. Wide right, 2.0. The same team last year in the playoffs. Ocho in their building. And then you have Dalton Kincaid dropping Kansas City. A brutal run of events. They like, bro, what's hanging over us?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:58)

You know what?

Shannon Sharpe (34:59)

You just going, look, you're just going against that guy. How many people said the same thing about Brady? But if you go back and study Brady, for the most part he got tripped up by guys. Now he lost to Peyton. Now Peyton is not a guy. Peyton beat him three times in the AFC Championship, beat him once and ended beats him twice in Denver. But if you go back and look at Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Eli.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (35:28)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (35:28)

And Tannehill. Who the ever thought, Jake, who the ever thought, yeah, those guys would be the. The guy. So it's like, think about it. You thinking like, who beat Mahomes? Tom Brady, who else got him in the playoffs. Joe Burrow.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (35:44)

Joe Burrow. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (35:47)

So it's gonna be, it's gonna, it's. Man, I was, I was watching this game and it's just. You know what I'm saying, Ocho, you watch a game and you. When a game lives up to what you expected.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (35:57)

Yeah, well, actually not only did it live up to we expected, it exceeded my expectations as well. Yeah, it exceeded that because it went down to the wire. It went down to the wire, Dan. It went down to the wire.

Shannon Sharpe (36:10)

But all the games do though, Ojo, for some reason.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (36:13)

Do you notice that? Yes.

Shannon Sharpe (36:15)

Every last one of their games and one possession games, I don't want none of my home because they won like 18, 19 straight one possession games. You get him in a one possession game and now he has the ball and he needs a field goal to beat you or he needs a touchdown to beat you more times than not. Or he needs to stay on the field so you don't get the ball back. You see what he did today? It was. He had to lead. He like, I ain't gonna let y'all get the ball back in Baltimore, you know, hey, you see Lamar getting his helmet on last year? He getting ready to go back. Cause they about to make a stand. Uh, Andy called a play. Andy say, no, I'm not throwing it to no damn flat. Throw the ball down the field.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (36:57)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (36:58)

How many quarter, how many coach quarterback combinations you think in that situation? I ain't talking about the regular season, when tomorrow. I'm talking about with the finality of the playoffs. How many quarterbacks have you ever seen put the ball up 30 yards down the field?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (37:12)

None. But you also, you know what? That's trust. That's trust. The head coach trusting the quarterback to know if the throw is not there, don't throw it. But if it is there, I trust you to be able to make that play and not turn the ball over.

Shannon Sharpe (37:25)

And if you go back and look, look at the play that they picked up. I thought Pacheco got down a little bit out of bound. I didn't see the replays, but I thought he tried to get the first down and try to get down. They said he stepped out. But if you look at what they did, they brought Pete Wright in. Pete Wright is really the receiver back. They crossed him. They shoot him up, break him out in the flat. Now whoever got him got to go over the top.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (37:49)

They got to bubble around. That's all, that's all he got.

Shannon Sharpe (37:53)

Hey, all you got to do is make him bubble. If you make him bubble, you've done your job. Game over, game over. Mahomes hits him, he gets the first down, stays in bounds. At that point in time, once he got the first down, it was over. It didn't matter if he went out of bounds or not, but he did a great job of staying in bounds. But when you look at what he was, what, what Mahomes has been able to do now, mind you guys, I don't think people understand this. He didn't start his rookie year. He started one game. He started one game. So in seven, this is his seventh year. This is his seventh year of starting. This is eighth year, huh? Yes. In seven years of starting. AFC championship. One super bowl, lost super bowl, lost AFC Championship. One Super Bowl. One super bowl in the Super Bowl.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (38:38)

That's crazy.

Shannon Sharpe (38:39)

He don't know anything else but AFC championships or Super Bowls. That's all he knows. He doesn't know what it's like to lose a wild card or division. That's all he knows. And so now it's kind of like Brady. Once you get used to playing high stakes poker, your nerves and the stomach that you have for those moments is not the same as everybody else. Sometimes you become desensitized. We say that a lot now because of what we see happening in America. We become desensitized to it. Yeah, he becomes Ocho. The biggest advantage you can have over another man.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (39:15)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (39:15)

Is his fear. That's the biggest advantage you can have. Right. They know when they see 1:5 in a pressurized moment is unlike anything they've ever faced before. And because he's been in that moment.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (39:32)

So many times, so many times, it's like normal. It's like Brady, it's like normal.

Shannon Sharpe (39:38)

Brady had been in that moment so time at a very young age.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (39:40)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (39:41)

You see Brady's first year starting championship, win the super bowl next year, they don't do anything. And then they go back to back. Now he desensitized to that. He's built up a tolerance.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (39:51)

And you know what? You know what's funny? I think a lot of people, I think that also comes from where a lot of people complain about, oh man, they be cheating, they be cheating for the Chiefs, blah, blah, blah. The fact that they win so much, the fact that they're in contention so much, the fact that Mahomes would be able to do what he's done in such a short amount of time, you know, it's taken away from his greatness in itself when people refs into it now Again, sometimes at certain opportune times, maybe call do go their way. But the greatness in Mahomes needs to be not only studied but paid a little bit more attention to to understand why they are where they are year in and year out. It ain't got nothing to do with no goddamn refs. Now you. Some people might have some gripes, there might be certain situations that might go in their favor. But that goddamn 15, man, he's special, man.

Shannon Sharpe (40:42)

The difference between him, what you gotta do with him and Brady and Joe is that a lot of teams have great quarterbacks and they win a lot of regular season games. But when they get to moments like this, that's what made Joe, Joe cool. That's what made Montana that he's down and he needs to go 92 yards and win. And he does that. Jerry's playing great. And then they won 200J at X slant and he hit John Taylor on the backside. Yeah, but you got to get a little break. Louis Billups has an interception and he drops it. Maybe we don't look at Joe in the same. Joe won four Super Bowls and he never threw an interception in a Super Bowl. So when you look at it, Ocho, it's one thing to have a great quarterback and win a lot of games.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (41:24)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (41:25)

It's another thing to have a quarterback who win games. And when they get to moments like this, this is what separates him and Brady and Joe. 17, he's only lost. Hold on. 1, 2, 3. He's only. He's 7. 13 and 3. 3. 17 in 20 playoff starts with three Super Bowls.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (41:46)

And you know what's funny? When you say them numbers right, we ain't talking about no goddamn video game. We talk about real life. We talk about the best of the best. We talk about the 1 percenters, the best of the best. 17 and 3. You've been to the AFC championship seven years in a row. There are 32 other teams.

Shannon Sharpe (42:09)

This man is about to go to his. Ocho, do you realize this man is about to be in his fifth super bowl in seven years of starting.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:16)

Can I tell you something, Uncle? Can I tell you something? If you play video games, I'm just giving you for context. If you played Madden and let's say you were really good, you were really good and you were competing against some of the best players in the world. In the game of Madden, you couldn't replicate what Mahomes is doing. No, you couldn't replicate it. Even as one of the best gamers in the world, it might Be a horrible analogy, but there's some people in the chat that might understand what I mean.

Shannon Sharpe (42:44)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:45)

To how good Mahomes is and what he's doing and how it's unreal. You're not supposed to be able to do what you do. And you know what's funny? People gonna look at this and say, well, the Chiefs are able to do it all the time and think it's normal.

Shannon Sharpe (42:58)

That ain't easy.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:59)

They think it's normal. They think it's supposed to happen like this.

Shannon Sharpe (43:06)

No, man, please. You know what? When you play this game as long as you and I have, and I've had a little success, you realize, like, damn. Yeah, I was fair to cheating compared to them, bro. I know you happy. Mahomes one.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:26)

Oh, that's my dog, Titus.

Shannon Sharpe (43:29)

Come on.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:30)

What up, twin?

Shannon Sharpe (43:32)

Bro, I shut you in the room. How did you get out of the room? That's what I want to know.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:39)

What up, twin?

Shannon Sharpe (43:41)

Who you rooting for? You want to be the Cleveland Browns mascot? They don't win, but they throw plenty of dog bones. I don't want no dog bones. I eat farmer's dog. I eat nutritious food. They got peas, they got chicken, beef. Yes. Turkey. Man, this joker here, man. Oh, I mean, guys, I mean.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:03)

Oh.

Shannon Sharpe (44:04)

Oh. Hey, down. Hey, down. Down. Chad. I don't know. I don't really. I don't think you guys really, really understand what you're witnessing. Think about that. I want you to think. I want you to think about it as great as Brady was. Think about Grady Brady, his first. Cause when Brady won his first three, there was a decade plus before he ever went back. Yeah, he's won three, and he's already back.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:40)

That's crazy.

Shannon Sharpe (44:41)

Do y'all. Do y'all understand? Guys, get an appreciation. Don't be talking and look, because what you do, if you keep talking about refs, you are undervalued, and you won't be appreciative of what you're witnessing.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:53)

Yeah. From him.

Shannon Sharpe (44:53)

You watch football for years, right? You. I. I played with Joe and Dan and John and. And. And Manning and Brady and all the greats. A lot of the greats that made that all century team. Yeah, I played in the E. Dan Marino, John Elway, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Joe Montana. That's six of the 10 guys that made that team. I played in the era in which they played and saw them. What this kid is doing, y'all don't appreciate it because you're so caught up and talking about they're getting. No, no, you can't get enough calls in order to get to five Super Bowls in seven years. Because if you could it, why didn't anybody else do it?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (45:35)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (45:36)

Yeah. If it was that, if all it was were calls, why haven't anyone else ever done what he's doing?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (45:42)

And of course, you know what people. People counter would be. Well, the calls are in their favor because it's the Chiefs. Well, the call. They're in their favor because, oh, the NFL wants. Oh, it's scripted. They want the Chiefs to always go. Listen, I. I don't. I don't think people. You. You can't under. Undermine on how. Undermine not only the success of the Chiefs, but the brilliant mind that is Andy Reid.

Shannon Sharpe (46:03)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:04)

In the play of goddamn 15 in Patrick Mahomes. You know, even. Even I sometimes. Even I. Sometimes I question some of the calls. I just do. Because at times they come in, they come, hey, what up? What up? What up, Teddy? They come at the. At the opportune times, and for some time, some. For some reason, at times, they're in favor of the Chiefs. No, even. Even I am. I am critical of that at times, and I've been wrong, especially when I broke it down statistically. And look at the stats, you know, where the refs aren't in favor of the Chiefs because they're at the bottom of the goddamn league when it comes to getting calls.

Shannon Sharpe (46:40)

But you know what, Ocho? You know why it looks like that? Because at the most opportune times, when somebody's beat, then what do they teach you to do? Hold him.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:48)

Hold him.

Shannon Sharpe (46:49)

Grab him. Just don't give up the touchdown.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:51)

Yep.

Shannon Sharpe (46:52)

Okay. I ain't gonna give you no touchdown. I'm gonna make you earn it. Now, you might fumble, ball might get tipped and throw an interception. You make it seem like they're throwing. They're not. Hey, ain't nobody. They ain't getting no call holding calls when they down 15. It's a crucial situation, and the defense understand the gravity of the moment. And so in order for me to make sure they don't score, I've gotta hold. I've gotta pass an affair. That's what it is. But, guys, y'all gotta appreciate this because you might not see it again. And we thought what we saw with Brady, especially his first years, but think about it. After 2005, he didn't go back again until 2013, 2014. So there was a decade. Mahomes has been in the league seven years, and he's in his Fifth Super Bowl. Do y'all really understand how. Think about. There's only one other guy that's ever been in that many Super Bowls, and that's Tom. In 23 years, he's been inspired in seven.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (47:51)

That's crazy. That's crazy.

Shannon Sharpe (47:55)

Do you understand how hard that is?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (47:59)

That's video. That's video. That's video game type stuff, and I don't. It's video game type stuff, and I don't even think you can replicate it in a video game.

Shannon Sharpe (48:08)

No, you can't. So this is what Josh said. To be the champs, you got to beat the champs. And we didn't do that tonight. Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (48:21)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (48:21)

Chad's going crazy right now. We've got 84,000. We're going to try to get to 90. We're going to try to get to 100. So tell your friends. Through the first seven season as a starter, Tom Brady was 14 and three. Patrick Mahomes is 17. Three AFC titles, Mahomes five, Brady, four Super Bowls, three Brady, three MVPs in the Super Bowl. Mahomes three Brady, two MVPs in the regular season, two for Mahomes, zero for Brady. So at the present, where they are now is really. And you go look at the touchdowns, right? That Mahomes is thrown versus Brady in the.

T-Mobile Representative (49:10)

It.

Shannon Sharpe (49:10)

It's unbelievable. I just. I'm glad I got an opportunity to see. I'm glad I got to Brady because I didn't think anybody could even come close. But lord have mercy, this kid. This kid might even surpass it. And for us, for us to even have a conversation about it tells you. Speaks to how great he was. Ocho. But there was another game. So the team that the Kansas City Chiefs will face in the super bowl are the Philadelphia Eagles. And they crushed the Washington Commanders 55 23, setting a new record for the most points scored in an NFC championship game. It's the fifth time the Eagles have made the super bowl and their second appearance in the last three years. The only triumph came in 2017. Saquon.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:54)

Hey, hey.

Shannon Sharpe (49:55)

118 rush yards and three touchdowns.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:59)

I'mma tell you something, right? Let me tell you how I knew Saquon in business. When they ran the ball in the first drive.

Shannon Sharpe (50:06)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (50:06)

And the safety came down. Hold on the backup. The backup moved out the A gap or something. I'm like, how you getting washed? How you getting washed like that. Saquon bounces outside, then the safety coming downhill. He arm tackling. He arm tackling.

Shannon Sharpe (50:22)

He ran. I'm like, ran through that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (50:25)

What are you doing? He ran right through that, went and scored, and his lineman came to celebrate, and he looked at his lineman and said, nah, we ain't doing none of that. Ain't none of that. Just shake my hand and went to the sideline. I said, man, you know what, boy? The game over. The game is over. The game is over. Based on. He really meant business about he really meant business today. I'm coming here with one sole purpose. I'm finna run the ball straight down. I throw. And he set the tone right off. Jump. Now, the commanders had some opportunities to play some good ball, but you. Four turnovers.

Shannon Sharpe (51:04)

They scored on. Got points on all of them. All of them.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (51:08)

You can't. You can't win like that. You can't win like that. You. You just can't. There's nothing you could do. Jaden Daniels, as good as he's been all season long, phenomenal play. He's been great. In a game like that, in order to have a chance, you can't turn the ball over. Special teams, it hurts you.

Shannon Sharpe (51:28)

Yeah. Because they scored a touchdown and guess what? They kick it off to you and you give right back to them and they get another one, another one back to back.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (51:34)

So that means not only that, it puts the pressure and to put the onus on the offense and James Daniels. Now you got to play perfect, damn near perfect football. You got to play damn near perfect football, and it makes it impossible for you to do so. You can't beat yourself.

Shannon Sharpe (51:50)

No, you can't beat yourself.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (51:51)

It's gonna be hard enough to beat. That's exactly what the Commanders did. They beat themselves.

Shannon Sharpe (51:56)

Yeah. I mean, careless turnover mean you get the ball punched out. You run into the back of the guy and the ball comes out and you know, Eckler gets the ball, he gets up and boom. Yeah. Punches it out. He gets a punch down. Then Jaden threw a. A pick late in the ball game in the end zone. Michael made a great intercept. What's his name? Ojo? The db. Oh, Mitchell.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (52:22)

Quiiyan. Keon.

Shannon Sharpe (52:23)

Yeah, he makes a great interception on that play. But when you turn the ball over against a team like this in their building and they're firing pretty much on all ceilings because you look at. You look at Jalen Hurts. 20 of 26, 246. A touchdown didn't put the ball in harm's way. They ran the ball 36 times for 229. You see the difference?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (52:45)

You know what? He don't.

Shannon Sharpe (52:46)

You see the difference? Yeah. Hey, Baltimore. Hey, Baltimore. At some point in time, Todd, Monkey, y'all gonna learn your lesson. You see what they do? Yeah, you see what they do? Even when he get hit in the backfield, you see what they do?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:00)

Keep running it. Hey, you know what else I like, though, Unc? You know what I like about today? I like the fact that they ran the ball right.

Shannon Sharpe (53:08)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:08)

And even I've been arguing about, you know, the passing game. Jalen Hurst, get the ball to A.J. brown, you know, just give him a shot. Even when you see one on one, you know, anticipate. If you see one on one and you see the safety in the middle of the field, you don't have to hold the ball away from him to get open. Even if he's even. That's A.J. brown. You trust him, you know, you throw the ball up to him. That ain't. That ain't 50, 50 with Young Bull. That ain't 50 with him. 50, 50 with him. That's 70, 20. He coming down with that nine times out of 10. Nine times. So the first time, there was a blitz that came and he held the ball, waiting to see if he was going to beat Latimore. It didn't work. They punted the ball. They got the ball back. The very next series is fourth and five, fourth down.

Shannon Sharpe (53:51)

I saw the play. That might have been Jalen's best throw. That might have been one of his best throws of the year. Ojo, he can't throw it any better.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:59)

Perfect. In the bucket. There you go. You give somebody like that, you give somebody like that a chance, Just give him a chance. Put the ball in the vicinity, put in the area, he gonna come down with it nine times out of ten.

Shannon Sharpe (54:12)

One of them Santa Claus throws, he dropped it down the chimney.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (54:14)

Yes, sir. Other than that, the game was brilliant. It was brilliant on both sides of the ball. Special teams. Jalen played well. Saquon did what Saquon was going to do. He set the goddamn tone at the beginning of the game.

Shannon Sharpe (54:27)

Absolutely set the tone in the beginning of the game.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (54:29)

I knew what time it was.

Shannon Sharpe (54:31)

And because he did that, now I'm throwing on one, on one coverage because I got to get down. I can't guard this guy with a light box. Come down in the box.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (54:36)

You ain't got no choice.

Shannon Sharpe (54:37)

I can't. I can't. I can't stop it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (54:39)

I got a question for you. I got a question for you. Listen, Spags loves to play two shell. Spags rarely has somebody down in the box. So what's going to happen.

Shannon Sharpe (54:48)

Are we going, are we, are we.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (54:49)

Going to trust my front four to get home?

Shannon Sharpe (54:51)

You're going to have to. I don't think they have, they don't have, they don't have, they don't have any qualms with putting McDuffie on Brown and then playing coverage everywhere else. They don't. They don't. They, they won't battle now.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (55:07)

Okay, I see what you mean.

Shannon Sharpe (55:08)

They won't battle now with that matchup.

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Right, right, right, right, right, right, right.

Shannon Sharpe (55:11)

But the thing is, is that the tight ends can give Kansas City problems and they got a good one in Goddard.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (55:17)

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Shannon Sharpe (55:19)

Now, Calcatera, he's more of a blocker, but he can, he can make some plays, right? He can. They don't throw him the ball much. He's more of a blocker. The, the receiver guy is Dallas Goddard. And I mean, what, what if. Was he there? Was he there? Was he the one that threw, who threw the touchdown pass to Nick Foles on Philly Special? It wasn't Goddard, though, was it? I don't think Goddard was there.

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:25)

Hey, how do you. How do you, how do you count it? How do you count. How do you count it at that? If. If you were spags? Do you go small? Hell, can I, can I go nickel? Can I go nickel?

Shannon Sharpe (58:34)

They'll run you off the field.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:35)

Huh?

Shannon Sharpe (58:36)

They'll run you off the field.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:38)

That I'm talking about on third downs, though, Trey Burton.

Shannon Sharpe (58:42)

Okay. I mean, it can't be. No, you can't, you can't. You can't. You can't play. You can't play them nickel because they'll run you off the field, Ocho. They ain't got no problem running the football now. See, sometimes teams get. Well, I got a quarterback. I'm paying $50 million. I need to throw. I need to show you how valuable it is. Right?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:59)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (59:00)

That's not what the Eagles. Eagles ran the ball 36 times today. 36 for 229.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:10)

I would love to see the Chiefs. I don't know. I don't know how the Chiefs stack up against the run. I would love to see those numbers.

Shannon Sharpe (59:17)

They put you in a situation, Ocho, where you really can't run the football because you playing catch up. So that's their run. Defense is to try to make you catch up. Right? Now the question is, can it? Cause Philly, Philly likes to play Tuchel because they believe they're front four and they're front. Zack Braun Is playing out of his mind.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:34)

He's a real deal.

Shannon Sharpe (59:36)

He played out of his mind. And that front four that they got led by Jalen.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:43)

Matter of fact, speaking of Braun, you know what? When you got Jalen Carter and you got. What's young bull, what's your young bull name?

Shannon Sharpe (59:50)

Oh, Nolan smith.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:52)

No, number 90. Number 90. You got them two boys.

Shannon Sharpe (59:54)

Oh, Jordan Davis.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:55)

Jordan Davis. You got them two young bulls in front of you. You man, listen for them things part. Them things part to see like Moses, if you got any bit of talent at that middle back, man, the show is yours.

Shannon Sharpe (60:09)

Yeah, they got, they're, they're, they're real. They're real. They're, they, they, they're formidable. Say I bet, man, if I, if Saquon like, hold on. Hey, Nick, when y'all stop running that tush push, man, let me get the tools.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (60:24)

Touchdowns. Yeah, yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (60:26)

I mean, what you call about? Hearst got three of it, got two of his touchdowns. Saquon supposed to have five toes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (60:33)

Five touchdowns. Yeah, today five.

Shannon Sharpe (60:35)

That's what I'd be like. I'll be trying to get history. Hey, come on, man. Hey man, get out that too much push.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (60:39)

You know what, stuff like that, stuff like that too. Like I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not for, I'm not for going against coaches wishes, but it kind of like that. I wish Jalen had a little bit more. It's an a power or call of the offense. Like you know, Peyton Manning, let's have this thing off. You know how Peyton Manning would be. They'll sit him on the side, he'll say, nah, I'm not doing that. And he'll do his own thing.

Shannon Sharpe (61:04)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (61:04)

And it always worked. I wish Jalen would do that. So in situations like that where, you know, Saquon has the opportunity to make history, I would change the play to some type of dive or just something direct where he can get those touchdowns as opposed to the touch push.

Shannon Sharpe (61:18)

Cause on that, on, on one of that run, man, I saw him, I was like, oh man, Saquon you gonna regret going down at the one yard line. Anybody go, they better get his ball. They about to get his ball to hurts and he about to power with wearing the end zone. Ocho with his 9th rush TD hurts passed Steve Young for the most all time rushing touchdowns by quarterback in NFL history. That's liar after street. Three straight encroachment penalties on Washington trying to stop the tush push. Guess what happened. The official said if you continue this, we can Award points. Cause as Ocho, what you gonna do? Put the ball in the end zone. The official say, yep, you jump up size one more time, that's exactly what we gonna do. We gonna put the ball in the end zone. Cause you're only going a half a yard.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:05)

Ocho, they gonna get it. Listen, they gonna get it every time.

Shannon Sharpe (62:10)

They stopped them. They stopped him once and it felt good. Cause I think it was Lovu that went over the top. Yeah. Kind of like what they did with Josh Allen.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:17)

Josh Allen, Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (62:19)

They went over the top and stopped. It's like, okay. And that was a rule. I didn't even know. I didn't even know it was a rule that they could award points.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:28)

I've never heard of that either.

Shannon Sharpe (62:31)

I never heard of it either.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:32)

I haven't been that deep in the rule book, and I haven't seen that situation happen ever before.

Shannon Sharpe (62:39)

But you look at the. This was almost a perfect storm for the Eagles. Jalen Hurts, extremely efficient. 20 of 26, 2:46, 1 touchdowns, no turnovers. Saquon 15 rushes, 118 yards, 3 touchdowns. Long of 66. Long of 60. Will Shipley comes in, has a 57 yard, took to the house 4 for 77. Jaylah Hurst, 10 or 16. He had a 9 yard run, but he did a great job. His thing is protect the football.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:06)

Yeah. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (63:07)

They can't. Washington, the commanders, you see the difference? Commanders. Now, last week, you guys got the turnovers. Y'all drop 45. This week, y'all give up the four turnovers, you get 55 dropped on you.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:19)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (63:19)

Every time there's a direct correlation. The more you turn it over, you decrease your chances of winning and you increase your opponent's chances of winning.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:30)

Well, look. Look at all the teams in the playoffs look at all the teams in the playoffs that turned the ball over. Huh?

Shannon Sharpe (63:35)

You know, they going home.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:37)

Everybody going home. The proof is in the pudding. You know it is. The proof is. I got a question for you.

Shannon Sharpe (63:43)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:44)

I don't mean to put you on the spot like this.

Shannon Sharpe (63:47)

Who I'm going with right now?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:48)

Yeah, I want to know who you going with, man. Yeah, I know it's tough. It's tough. Chad, who you going with? I know we got a lot of things. We got a lot of evil.

Shannon Sharpe (63:56)

I thought from about Ocho, to be honest.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:59)

Yes, sir.

Shannon Sharpe (64:00)

I thought from about week eight or nine, I thought the Eagles were the best, Was playing the best football. They were the best team. And I said it and I kept repeating it. If the Eagles faced The Lions. I'm taking the Eagles. Right. Because of their defense. And Jerry Goff, sometimes he turns the ball over.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (64:24)

Yeah. You don't know which one you getting. You don't know what golf you're getting.

Shannon Sharpe (64:27)

And if you turn the ball over and it's going to be the same thing. If you go back and look at it, the game that the Philly played a couple of years ago against the Eagles, I mean, against the Chiefs, it was that turnover, that scooping score.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (64:38)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (64:39)

That hurts. You know, got the ball in. In Kansas City, got their footing, and they go on and win the ball game. They get. They come out the second half and dominate, and the next thing you know, they're. They're winning their second. And they come back this last year and they beat the 49ers for their third. But when you. When you run, when you 20th. No, 20 of 28. Excuse me, I said 20 of 26. Excuse me. 20 of 28. 246, Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (65:05)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (65:06)

And you get 36 attempts for 229, you're extremely balanced. Because think about it, you had damn near me. Cause when you take the sack yards, ocho, they had 230 yards passing. They had 220 yards rushing. They had 28 pass attempts. They had 36 rush attempts. How many rush attempts did Buffalo, I mean, Baltimore had last week? Cause you're talking about a team that can run the ball just as good.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (65:32)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (65:33)

You talk about a team that can run the ball just as good.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (65:35)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (65:36)

Lamar Jackson can throw the ball just as good. Tight ends just as good.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (65:42)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (65:45)

I think. I think the Eagles defense is a little better. That's me personally. How many pass attempts they had? 30. How many roasted tips did what you call them have? No, how many did Derek Henry. 16 for 80. Yeah, 16. He averaging five yards of carry. You only give him 16 or 10. He should have had 30 by himself. They.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:18)

They. I think if I'm not mistaken, I forgot what quarter that was. They went away from the run.

Shannon Sharpe (66:22)

Second.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:23)

Second. Yeah, they went away from the run.

Shannon Sharpe (66:24)

But then they came out in the.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:25)

Third quarter running and got back on and went straight. And went straight down the field and scold.

Shannon Sharpe (66:31)

Yeah, this got this game got on hand early. 14, three the first quarter, and then they get 12. Then they get 13. 13 the second. So you're going into half oo, you're down 27 to 27, 15. You're like, okay, we get a play, we right back in the game, turn the ball over. Boom. And then got our score. 21 nothing in the fourth.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:52)

Yeah, it's a wrap.

Shannon Sharpe (66:55)

Eagles are. They're home. They're feeling good. They got them turnovers, and they just like, you know what? Let's go ahead and step on the gas. Let's go ahead and just end this thing. We don't need to have any further discussions about what could possibly happen or. We had them while you had the momentum, and that's what you do. You see what happens when you get the momentum, Ocho, you step on the gas, go ahead and end the thing.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:17)

Listen, and don't. Don't get conservative most of the time. What we tend to see is we see the play call and become conservative, trying to make sure we don't want to lose the game and allows the other team to get back in the game, and it causes the game to be closer than it should be or closer than it needs to be. You know, but you kind of slick, too. Now, you said a whole. You said a whole lot of nothing and didn't answer that question that I asked you. I said, who we got a whole time.

Shannon Sharpe (67:42)

We don't got to pick right now. I want you to think about how many shows we got got. We got Monday, we got Thursday.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:48)

What you scared of? But listen, we got. We got all them days. Listen, we got all.

Shannon Sharpe (67:52)

Because we want people to come watch. If we already done pick, why they gonna watch?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:55)

I wonder who they gonna watch anyway. They gonna watch.

Shannon Sharpe (67:58)

No, we want to make sure they watch because I'll give. I'll give them back Thursday at the live show.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:04)

Okay. Okay. Oh, you gonna wait till we get to New Orleans?

Shannon Sharpe (68:08)

Yeah. And plus, we got draftkings. We got draftkings later in the show. We got some coming.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:13)

It. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay. But I got it. Well, hey, Chad, who y'all got? Y'all. Chad, who y'all got?

Shannon Sharpe (68:19)

We just want it. If we get a type of game that we got against the Chiefs and Buffalo, we'll take that. If we take the. If we get a game like we got last year, Right. Or the year before with the Eagles, I'll take that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:30)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (68:31)

I just don't want no. I don't want no 55, 23. I don't want no blowouts.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:34)

No. No.

Shannon Sharpe (68:35)

And so hopefully that's a thing of the past.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:37)

Honestly, based on. Based on those two. The two teams that we do have going into the super bowl, we not going to get no blowout game like that. Because the turnover that. The command his head, you not going to get that from either side of the ball. Mahomes ain't turn the ball over like that. Jalen hurts. They're not even going to allow. They're not even going to put Jalen hurts in a position where you can make those kind of turnovers and make those plays. Everything is going to be efficient. How do you make sure things are efficient for the Eagles? And the Eagles have their best chance and opportunity to host that goddamn Lombardi Trophy. Get that motherfucking ball to 26.

Shannon Sharpe (69:07)

Yes.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (69:08)

Give it to 26. What is the answer that they going to have for that? What's the answer? All I need you to do. All I need y'all to do is man on man at the point of attack. Hold your man for one second until he goes by. Once Saquon gets to the second level, man, listen, man, two things gonna happen. Either he gonna make the tackle or he gonna hit his head off the goal post. Yeah, that's it.

Shannon Sharpe (69:37)

I'm. I'm just interested to see how they're going to the defense, what Spags is going to employ, right, to try to slow down Saquon. Because for me, I know what Saquon could do. Yeah, Hertz. I'm going to make Hurst beat me. They'll have to beat me throwing the football. I'm going to try to push him out of the pocket. I don't want him to get comfortable throwing from the pocket. I want to get him off rhythm. I'm going to make him make decisions, and I'm gonna make him. He's gonna have to make the right decisions. That's the way I'm. I know what Saquon can do.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (70:11)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (70:11)

I've seen. I've. I've seen his body of work this year. He's damn near 2,500 yards. I've seen it. I know. I. I know what he can do. So I don't need to get to the super bowl and say, oh, prove it. Prove it to me again, right? In super bowl hell. He might go for 200. Yeah, I don't want that to happen, Ocho. I don't. So if Jay, if. If. If Hertz throws the ball for. He's efficient like he is, he has a couple of touchdowns down. Cause I'm going to neutral. I want to. The thing is, you got to neutralize Saquon's big runs. It's the big. If you notice ocho, it's a 60 yarder. It's a 70 yarder. Sometimes he's getting multiple big runs. You gotta neutralize that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (70:52)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (70:53)

So if he has 25 carries, 30 carries, and he has 120 yards, and his longest run is 10 yards. You live with that, right? You ain't got no choice, Ocho. I can't give him a 78. I can't give him a 66 or 60.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:06)

I can't.

Shannon Sharpe (71:07)

Because now that team gets invigorated, the defense, everybody's flying around, special teams. Yeah, I, I, I'm not, I'm not going to let that happen, Ocho.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:16)

Funny. The funny thing about it. The funny thing about it is once Saquon gets going, Once he gets going, it opens up every.

Shannon Sharpe (71:24)

Absolutely.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:24)

It opens up everything else. The playbook looks like Disneyland if you're running the ball and doing what you want to do.

Shannon Sharpe (71:32)

Well, hey, if. When he's running the ball. Now, Kellen Moore's play sheet looks like a Cheesecake Factory menu. You know, they got that big old menu, and they got about seven, eight pages. They got like, 1500 different cheesecake, and they got, like 1700 different chicken dishes and another 300 pasta dishes. That's what the playbook look like when Saquon is running the football. Because I can call whatever I want.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (72:06)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (72:07)

And I don't believe they can stop it, but it's. Now, you just go, oto. You just calling stuff. What? We only practiced that play one time, right? Call it. I call it. It's going to work. It's gonna work. Ocho. Let's take a listen to what Jaden Daniels had to say after the game. Obviously, man, it's, man, it's just. Excuse my language, but just, I couldn't be prouder of the guys in the locker room. You know, just year one, everybody not really knowing each other. Rookies, the vets did a tremendous job of, you know, bringing us in and helping us out, and we all just meshed and, you know, we got to this point, but at the end of the day, man, you know, we lost it. But we'll move on from this.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (72:59)

Well, Jayn Daniels. Boy, you ain't got nothing to feel bad about, boy, because your expectations, the media, you know, those on the outside listening, this is not what they expected. They're not expecting for you to be in the NFC championship after how many years? Oh, 30 something. 30 something.

Shannon Sharpe (73:17)

They hadn't been there since, what, 91.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (73:22)

Mind you, this is your first year as a rookie, you know, this is your first year as a rookie. You ain't got nothing to hang your head about. Boy. Stop playing. Boy, I know y'all lost a day, but you good. You gonna Be good in the nfc, you are one of the quarterbacks that nobody gonna have to worry about you in the same conversation. You in the same boat with Burrow, Josh Allen Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. Every year, y'all gonna be in contention as long as you healthy and they continue because y'all got a two year window. Jaden, I know you're gonna see this too. You're gonna see this. Y'all got a two year window until it's time to get that bag where they can build pieces around you. And every year it's gonna be you. Jalen hurts. Who else we got in the NFC that's like, that, that's gonna be like, like, dang.

Shannon Sharpe (74:09)

What I thought you gonna say somebody NFC East, Nobody.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:12)

Okay. I'm gonna leave at that. I mean, we, we Talk, we talking.

Shannon Sharpe (74:16)

49, the 49ers, and Brock Purdy, Green Bay, Jordan love.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:22)

Oh, so it's, it's more, it's more quarterbacks in the nfc though. Okay.

Shannon Sharpe (74:25)

No, no, no. Well, they're about. No, no, no.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:28)

It's only, it's listen, it's a forehead of Munson and in the AFC.

Shannon Sharpe (74:30)

But hey, you still got C.J. stroud, and we ain't put C.J.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:33)

Stroud.

Shannon Sharpe (74:34)

We think he a little low. Justin Herbert little low.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:37)

Oh, my God.

Shannon Sharpe (74:39)

So, no, they low. They just got those big, big, big game hurdles.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:44)

Big boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, if you're a Commanders fan, you have to be feeling good.

Shannon Sharpe (74:50)

Oh, you feeling great.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:51)

The fact that you were able to get to this point and understand that you got to this point because of the quarterback play and everything else around him, defensively, they played well. They gonna be all right.

Shannon Sharpe (75:03)

And you still got Stafford over there in the nfc too, huh? Matthew Stafford?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (75:08)

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I, I, I, I saw a little rumors about a trade for staff, huh?

Shannon Sharpe (75:13)

Where he going? Who gonna trade for?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (75:15)

I don't know. I saw, you know, him and Cooper cup not together, but I'm just saying.

Shannon Sharpe (75:19)

Him making moves, I mean, he's gonna want money. I mean, he gonna want, I mean, he gonna want 50.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (75:26)

Yeah, he worthy of it. He worthy, worthy of it. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (75:32)

I mean, I think they're gonna.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (75:33)

Look, I'm happy, I'm happy, I'm happy for the, the Commanders. Yeah. I'm not even a commander's fan. You know, I'm a fan of the game of football. But what I was able to witness Jayden Daniels do this year, the damn fans in, in, in D.C. they, they got to be happy, you know? He should be happy.

Shannon Sharpe (75:50)

Oh, yeah, for sure, Mom. They got a lot to be excited about in the upcoming years. The first year guys. There ain't no guarantee. Now, I believe they got the right pieces in place as far as in the front office, Ocho, to make the moves, to put around this team. That's what you need. You probably go, hey, I like Zach Ertz. Probably gonna need a running back. I like Brian Robinson, but I need another piece, right? I like the wide receivers, defensive, I'm. I like Lovu. They got, I mean, they got what you call them, their pay. I don't think Louvoo Duron Payne played today. Allen played, but I don't think Daron playing.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (76:40)

I think he was hurt he didn't play. Yeah, they gonna. They gonna be all right. They gonna be all right. They gonna be all right. Goddamn commanders, man. I salute you. I salute y'all, man. J.D. i love you. Mama Daniels. Mama Daniels, you did a hell of a job, sis. You hear me? Now, I know you said he can't have no girl, but he deserves to celebrate. Now go ahead and let him date somebody.

Shannon Sharpe (77:04)

Go ahead. That's what they catch a slipping that what they can't. Don't celebrate.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (77:13)

You gotta understand now, Mama Daniels, you gotta let him. Let him celebrate. Let him have a little fun now. Like, he's had a phenomenal year. He got the entire city on his back. You know, he's exceeded expectations as a rookie coming in, almost made the super bowl, played in the NFC championship, you know, you gotta, you know, give him some leeway. Let him have a little fun.

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