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TJ Hockenson
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Darren Waller
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Jack Jones
Well.
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TJ Hockenson
Welcome in to Nightcap. Now we don't have Unknown in Ocho. We got TJ and Rack Wall. That's Darren Waller taking over. We we hijacking we have taken over Nightcap, me and my dog. So we gonna be with y' all for the night. Bear with us. Now. You know the highlights. We gonna talk sports, we're gonna talk relationships and everything in between. I don't know if we'll really get to the relationships. We may. I'm a married guy. My dog, I believe he's single. He was once married. So we gonna get into everything. But with no further ado, I want to introduce Darren Waller, one of the best tight ends. It's crazy because his story and how he made it to the league, my story and how I made it to the league is one of a kind. It's one of a kind. So tell the people a little bit about yourself, your journey. You don't have to get too in depth with it unless you want to, but very, very inspirational. Now, this ain't what Chad and Oh, what Chad and Shannon be doing. This our version of Nightcap. So let's rock out.
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Jack Jones
Yes, sir. Nah, not blessed to be here, bro. My name is Darren Waller. For those of y' all that don't know me, I played eight years in the league. I retired just about a year ago. Played tight end for Baltimore my first three, four years before I got suspended for a year for drugs, alcohol, all that. Came back into the league. Got picked up by the Raiders, which is where my career kind of took off. Had back to back a thousand yard seasons. Made a Pro bowl, ended up my last year with the Giants. And yeah, it's been a fucking wild ride for me. Like I said, I was drug addict, alcoholic, like full blown, you know what I'm saying? So I'm blessed to be alive, blessed to be, you know, have had the career that I had and just to be, you know, 32, retired, not having to worry about no bread or nothing like that.
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TJ Hockenson
Let them know you, you got a lot of money. Let them know I got. I got that paper. I ain't worried about that.
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Jack Jones
We all over here. We ain't tripping over here.
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TJ Hockenson
Yeah, now, now, this is a perfect day, night, whatever you want to call it. So you know, my boy retired because he on the bigger and better things and bigger and better things. And y' all want for everybody that's listening, y' all go get on. He gonna tell you what platformer song my boy make music, he rapping. And he just so happened to be dropping the song today. So y' all make sure y' all go stream his music now. Tell the people how'd you get involved and what Made you say, damn, this music has become therapeutic to me outside of the football realm. What. What came with that, how that happened?
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Jack Jones
Yeah, so the music, for me, I feel like it really started with learning who my great grandfather was. He was a legendary jazz pian. Like, old people, like, be running up on me like, you're Fats Waller's great grandson. And once I really started to learn that, my parents had me and my sister playing piano when we was real little, and I was in, like, band and shit in middle school, and so I really had a passion for music. But then it's like, football kind of started taking off in high school and college and all that, so I wouldn't really worry about music, for real. And once I got drafted to the league, I was bored. My rookie year, like, when we first got a lot of free time, rookie camp and all that shit. You in the hotel. And so I was like, fuck it, I'm just gonna start writing. I always said I would start and just see where it went. And so that was 2015. I've been putting out projects probably every couple years since, and now I really feel like I'm really developing in my sound and shit. For real. Like, I really have some songs that, like, you know, people really starting to look like, damn, like, all right, like, I see what you got going on, and. Yeah, so we plug in tonight. Nightcap fucked up letting me get on here today. So we plug in this song.
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TJ Hockenson
Yeah, tell them. Tell them the song, what platform, and they go stream that thing.
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Jack Jones
Yeah, it's a song called Choose Myself I'm dropping tonight at 9:00pm Pacific Midnight Eastern. It's on Spotify, Apple Music, wherever you stream at. Search My name. Darren Waller. It's gonna be there. It's probably one of the songs I'm most proud of that I ever made or that I ever probably will make. So I'm extremely excited for people to. To listen to that. So go spin that.
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TJ Hockenson
So Titan U is taking place this week?
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Jack Jones
Yeah.
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TJ Hockenson
How many times did you attend?
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Jack Jones
I think I went to the first two, first two or three, because I went when it was just like infant.
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TJ Hockenson
Stages just getting going.
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Jack Jones
Yeah, it was like 15, 20 guys. It was guys that were, like, starters on their teams. And then it starts. They got a. Like, they got getting bigger backing because it was. It went really well early on. So they had more sponsorships and they started bringing, like, dudes who were like, a third tight end on a team. Like, everybody in the league could come if you just got drafted, you undrafted, free agent, like, whatever. You were some. As a couple dudes from college, like, everybody could come, so. And it was, you know, weightlifting, route running. You know, Kittle and Kelsey, them boys, they get after it too, so they got, like, night activities going on. So it's a. It's actually a really cool event. They do a really good job. They got. Greg Olson is there too. So they're getting a lot of sponsorship, a lot of money, Bud Light, Bridgestone, like all these big sponsors putting it on. So it's a. It's a solid event.
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TJ Hockenson
Is there one thing from your time there that still stays with you today that. That you got, whether it was from Travis, Greg, George, or just any other tight end that was there that you still remember that helps you on the field and also off the field.
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Jack Jones
I would say just being around, like, Trav and his energy and just how he approaches route running and just his craft, like, he's real. He's earned the right to be incredibly creative. Like, we see him on tv, he just doing. We be like, what the fuck is he doing? But like, he's earned the right to do that. And he's just like, emphasizing, like, putting your personality into the routes that you running. Because a lot of dudes, like, you know, like, dude trying to make the team, like, whoever it is, they. They run robotic routes and lines on paper. Whereas, you know, somebody like him, you put in your own flavor, your own sauce on them routes. Once you understand the details of them, it takes that to a whole another level and you making come to life that really might not even have been able to come to life just because of who you are. So I took that away and I was like, yeah, you really just gotta, like, stand on who the fuck you are. Like, I'm gonna cuss my hand.
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TJ Hockenson
Can we. Let's get into the real nuance of route running and coaching in the league. We gonna. We gonna try to keep it a buck here. As you were coming up, and I know for myself, did y' all type in coach teach you how to be a better tight end, or did he teach you how to be a better football player? And I know those things are married, like, but running routes and getting open. Did you learn that on your own? Other players or your coach? Cause I'm gonna give you my opinion.
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Jack Jones
So for me, yeah, so I grew up, so you gotta understand, like, I started playing offense in college at Georgia Tech. We were in a triple option, so we was blocking like 80% of the time for real. I was. I run a goal a hits a post or Something or they would be like a play action crack post or something like that. But we weren't really getting that kind of route running, teaching and technique there because I mean, that's just one they was asking us to do. I got to Baltimore, I feel like my rookie year, my coach was Bobby Ingram. He played in the league for like a decade.
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TJ Hockenson
Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Seattle.
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Jack Jones
I feel like he was giving us some game my rookie year. But then my second year they moved me to tight end and it was like at the end of my rookie year, they were like, yeah, when you get back, we think we're going to try you at tight end. So I was like that. They didn't even tell me nothing for real. I just got on YouTube and was just like, man, let me see what that was. Back when Zach Ertz was getting like 120 catches a year, Travis Kelsey, Greg Olson, I was watching Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, like Jimmy Graham, I was just on YouTube, I was like, I'm just gonna do what, what they doing, like. And my tight end coach, like he was an old lineman in the league for a bit.
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TJ Hockenson
Happens all the time, bro. That's where I'm trying to go with this. It's like when people think the NFL is like the best of the best, best coaches, best players. But very rarely is a coach, your position coach gonna get you better at your craft. You gotta do that on your own.
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Jack Jones
No, that's facts. I look at teams now and you talk about like team, they like talk about all the teams gotta develop this player. It might be like maybe five teams that have people if that, that have people that can actually player. They begging and hoping that you come in with, with skills ready to go. Yes. Yeah.
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TJ Hockenson
Like, like. And I think people don't realize that you get better on your own. Now they will teach you football. You'll understand the game from an ex's and O's perspective a lot better. But you know they gonna give you little technique things here and there. And if it works, they get all the credit. If it don't work, you suck. If it don't work, you suck and you not. And so I tell off. Cause I train a lot of guys for the combine receivers and tight ends. And I'm telling them like, when you get to your team, it's not all the time, but 90% of the time, your coach ain't gonna tell you how to get open. He don't know. Cause if you're a receiver, you're a tight end. Your coach was an online what the Fuck he know about running a route. He don't watch somebody run a route at like. And so that part of it is at least with the NFL people you really have to invest in yourself away from the facility and away from the team. And if you don't do that, your career is short lived. And luckily for you, you're able to get on YouTube and see what the best are doing and translate it. Because some people get on YouTube, watch them and get out there and still fuck it up. They still gonna get out there and mess it up because they mind. They just, they can't do it. So that, that part of it I. Not many people know about the league. It's get better on your own or watch everybody else play and be watching tv. I'm better than him. He couldn't fuck with me.
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Jack Jones
Yeah.
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TJ Hockenson
But that. And I think that's pretty much league wide.
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Jack Jones
Yeah.
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TJ Hockenson
Every position, I would say the O line probably get developed the most. The coaches really make them better. Outside of that, unless you got an Eric Yarber with the Rams, Keenan McArdle with the Vikings, Sean Jefferson. I don't even know where Sean at now. But if you don't have one of them coaches, you in trouble. And if it's a receiver coach that I left you out. I left you out. Cause you don't know what you're doing. Take it personal.
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Jack Jones
Yeah, yeah. You gotta get your bag deeper on your own. Like for the young boys that's watching. Like you got to take into account, you got to find you somebody you can work with in the off season. Like ask the vets that's around you that's really getting to it. I guarantee you they got somebody like, you really got to invest in that on your own.
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TJ Hockenson
And that's why when I brought up tight end, you it we getting better amongst our peers. Right. Me and Chad have talked about doing the receiver aspect of tight end. You, they kind of, you know, y' all was our inspiration on doing that. We gonna see where that go. Now let's get into. It's a couple days old, but man, I'm sure you're an athlete. You watch a lot of NBA, huh?
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Jack Jones
Yeah.
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TJ Hockenson
What were your thoughts? One, it was a great series.
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Jack Jones
Oh yeah.
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TJ Hockenson
But it was the least watched series in however many seven game series. First seven game series I believe in nine to ten years. But people weren't tuned in because it was an Indiana Pacer team and an Oklahoma City team. Small markets thought on the series. I believe if Hollenberg don't go down, Indiana may Win that. And I'm going in really different tangents here, but the NBA, they got to figure this Achilles injury out, bro. Like, I don't know what's going on with these dudes. Like so many of them are tearing their Achilles. A lack of strength, is it a lack of mobility, is it too many games? Is it too many games at a young age in aau? And the wear and tear, it's so many variables and a lot to unpack. So let's go.
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Jack Jones
Yeah, man. I mean, shoot. Starting with the series. Yeah, I mean, I feel like people put so much stress on the markets and I guess the average person that's tuning in wants to see a LA and a Boston or a New York and whatever. But you look at those two teams and you look at the series that we got, like that's, that's ball being played at its highest level. You look at the depth on both teams, like the character on both teams. You got so many dudes that are like fine tuned and perfect for their individual roles. Like it just creates that back and forth. I want to see shit go 7. I want to see wars like, you know what I'm saying? That's what, that's what we got. And with Haliburn going down like he was cooking in that first quarter in that game seven. So it's like that game definitely would have been completely different, at least down to the wire in my eyes. But probably you could make an impact for a Pacers win. But yeah, Halberton going down and it's like you got guys going out there with a calf injury when that calf locks up and you trying to load up on that back leg. The calves biomechanically, that calf is taking a lot of that force.
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TJ Hockenson
Did you have any major injuries when you played like.
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Jack Jones
Nah, not lower body. I had a torn labrum in my shoulder, but I just rehabbed that in the off season, the final month with it. But yeah, no major injuries for me. For real. But that Achilles motherfucker is crazy. Like I was around with Steve Smith senior tore his Achilles and he was trying to rehab it and it's like one calf was hum, humongous and the other calf was like, like it was like non existent for a while and just like the work he had to put in. I seen Ben Watson tore his Achilles too. So it's like that's a, that's a major, major. That's like damn near 12 months.
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Darren Waller
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TJ Hockenson
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Darren Waller
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TJ Hockenson
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Darren Waller
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TJ Hockenson
I don't really have much in my purse. Oh, let's see. Hand sanitizer. It's lavender.
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Darren Waller
I'm good. Seriously.
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TJ Hockenson
Let me check this pocket. Oh, mints.
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Darren Waller
Really, I'm fine.
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Darren Waller
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Jack Jones
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Jack Jones
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Darren Waller
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TJ Hockenson
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Darren Waller
Create when it's tip off time at my house, there are a few things that are must haves on my checklist because you know, I have to have an iconic watch party. First of all, my fellow friends and fans. Check. Got them in the building. My favorite jersey. It's lucky. Yes. Check. I'm wearing it right now. An iconic drink that's a fan favorite. Check. Hypnotic can turn any cocktail into an iconic creation. With its game changing color and tropical flavor, Hypnotic should be in everyone's starting five. For me, I consider Hypnotic like the point guard of my game day roster. Because not only is it versatile, like having it on the rocks or as a base for cocktails, it also finishes smooth. Qualities every point guard must have. And just like the banners in my stadium letting people know that we take Championships seriously. Having Hypnotic at my watch parties lets people know that I also take quality seriously since it's crafted with superior ingredients for a championship level drinking experience. So you're saying I know hypnotic is great, but describe it. What's the flavor? What's going on here? Well, it's got a unique mix of premium vodka, tropical fruit juices and a hint of cognac. Again, to put it in basketball terms, this is balancing out my roster. We call this balance in the business and it's a hit at watch parties. The Hypnotic comes out. We're adding a splash of color and flavor to every buzzer beater moment and everyone has a drink they can enjoy that tastes amazing. And guess what? You can find Hypnotic nationwide at your local liquor store or favorite bar. It's probably easier to get than, you know, those courtside seats which are available, but look, Hypnotic is available everywhere. So the next time you need a break from the action with a distinctive timeout, look no further. Grab a bottle of Hypnotic and make your next basketball watch party iconic. Enjoy the vibrant taste with friends and turn every game into a memorable celebration. Hypnotic where every sip is a slam dunk. Hypnotic liquor Bardstown, Kentucky 17% alcohol by volume Hypnotic reminds you to think wisely. Drink wisely. Are you still quoting 30 year old movies? Have you said cool beans in the past 90 days? Do you think Discover isn't widely accepted? If this sounds like you, you're stuck in the past. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. And every time you make a purchase with your card, you automatically earn cash back. Welcome to the now it pays to Discover. Learn more@discover.com credit card based on the February 2024 Nielsen report.
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TJ Hockenson
Yeah, I don't know. When you look at Damian Lillard, okay, he's a little older. JC Tatum's young. Halliburton's young. KD tore his at an advanced age, so. But shit, KD came back like it wasn't shit. Still balling I. They just got to figure that out. I don't know. I don't know what it is. If it's strength, mobility, I don't know. But for Halliburton, it sucks because Boyne was cooking three threes in the first quarter. Nine points. I'm like, oh shit. And I picked, I had, I picked Oklahoma City to win it. But I found myself rooting for Indiana. It was kind of weird, but yeah, man, prayers to him. I hope he recovers. He's probably going to miss the entirety of next season because it happened so late in the season. But you think Oklahoma City. Do you think this is a start of a dynasty considering Alex Caruso is their oldest player at 31?
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Jack Jones
Right? Yeah. I think you just gave like, a great detail of just like, how young the nucleus of that team is. And you look at young teams, you think, like, they could be flashy in a lot of areas, but there might be, like, some giant holes. They don't have really any holes. For real. They're the best defensive team in the league. They got Shay, league mvp, J Dub, as your number two scorer. He's taken over a couple games in the finals. Chet holmgren might be 20 every now and then. He's a rim protector. You got Hartenstein setting screens, protecting the rim, catching putbacks and oops and. And whatnot. You got Caruso leading, playing defense. Lou Dort so lockdown defenders like you got dudes come off the bench. Isaiah Joe led the team in three point percentage during the season. It's like you have so many roles that are covered on that team. It's like. But I mean, that Western Conference is a motherfucker. And teams are going to be coming.
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TJ Hockenson
So it's one team particular down in Texas, actually two. Actually down three. The Rockets gonna be better with kd. They gonna be a fucking problem. Yeah, they gonna be a problem. They got they closer now in kd. When Kyrie come back with the Mavericks, that gonna be a problem. And if Cooper flag, if he can acclimate himself to the NBA game, Ad Cooper flag, they just re signed Gafford, and then when Kyrie come, they gonna be a problem. And then you got Wimby, Sterfon Castle, the second pick, which probably is going to be Dylan Harper. They gonna be a problem. I'm a Laker fan, so we damn sure gonna be a problem. At least. Fingers crossed. Playing. I hope we. The Western Conference is gonna be a bloodbath. Golden State, as long as Steph and Draymond there. Yep, they gonna all they gonna be a problem. And so a dynasty. When people start throwing that word out there, I don't know. Denver, with Jokic and Jamal Murray, they coming back. It just is so much that has to take place for you to be a dynasty. But they so young that it's like, damn, I don't see why not. Shay Gonna put up 28 to 32 average every season as long as he's healthy. Can Chet Holmgren, can he take the next step?
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Jack Jones
Right?
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TJ Hockenson
Can he take the next step offensively, defensively? He gonna give you rim Protector. He moves his feet very well to be a big guy. And he's real thin, but he not. He not a punk like you. Not just dogging out like that. Like, he looks like he can be dogged out. Nah. And it's because he's so thin, you like mama take his little ass down. You not dogging Chat homegrown out, right? And so from that perspective, they. Everybody has an opportunity and a chance to be that. I don't see it taking place. I just. With the Rockets, bro, everybody stay healthy. I don't know how they lose. If you put a lineup of Van fleet, point guard, KD611, Jabari Smith, 610, Sangum611. And who. Who else we gonna.
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Jack Jones
Thompson. You get Thompson.
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TJ Hockenson
Amir Thompson. There we go. Six, seven, you gonna do with that lineup, right? And then you got Tori Easton coming off the bench. This is the crazy part with the Rockets that not many people talk about. 1, 2, 3. The third pick of the draft last year, Reed shepherd, got no burn. The third pick, Cam Whitmore, he come to the Lakers, he play, he getting big minutes. Got no burn. And so I look at the Rockets like, I'm impressed. If they can stay healthy now, can kd? And he said, it is not my responsibility to lead. And to a certain degree, and this is what I don't like about sports. And we can tap into this, too. Why is it that when you're the best player, they expect you to always be the leader? Sometimes the best player isn't that he don't have that leadership type of personality. The guys ain't following him.
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Jack Jones
Yeah, I think he. I think when he says, I, I, it's not my job to lead, I think he's saying it's not my job to lead in the traditional way that you think somebody's supposed to be a leader. Like, as far as being like a Ray Lewis type of gotcha. There's different ways to lead. Like, he can just lead by his example. Like, I think the biggest jump the Rockets can take is, like, you get Amin Thompson attached to KD's hip. Day in the lab, getting shots up, and Amin Thompson develops a jump shot. That motherfucker might be a league MVP at some point. You know what I'm saying? Like, so. But, yeah, I think there's so many different leadership styles in sports. I'm one of them. I always thought, like, damn, like, I can't be a leader. Even though I had a C on my chest, I'm like, am I really, like, a leader? If I'm not giving the pregame speech and having everybody ready to jump out their skin. But I'm more the dude that's like the wolf. The wolf leads from the back of the pack. It's like we're not letting you know, if I see somebody slipping, I see somebody's confidence dropping, I'm gonna be the first one over there to them, telling them who they really are, telling them to remember who they are and like, keeping their mind, keeping their chest up. You know what I'm saying? So that's more the leadership style I have. And I think that's KD as well. But, like, yeah, you don't gotta be that rah rah pregame, punch a hole in the wall guy to be a leader.
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TJ Hockenson
Were you? Were you? Obviously you, from gathering what you said you wasn't a rah rah guy during the game.
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Jack Jones
Nah, I'm. I'm more so I'm talking like I am right now. Like, you can, you can feel like.
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TJ Hockenson
Did you talk shit to the defense during.
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Jack Jones
It took a lot for me to talk shit to somebody.
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TJ Hockenson
Okay. We. We're a lot different then.
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Jack Jones
Yeah.
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TJ Hockenson
Like, I was not rah rah before the game. Like, before a game. I'm chilling, I'm real calm. Like, don't come here. You know how you get in the huddle and everybody walking up headbutting you, and I'm like, bro, don't head butt me. Not head but me. I'm not jumping up in the pile before the game. I'm not. I've never. Did you ever. Have you ever done a spot?
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Jack Jones
Hell nah, bro. Hell no.
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TJ Hockenson
Oh, I never did that one time.
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Jack Jones
Crackhead activity, bro.
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TJ Hockenson
Bro, I. I never did it one time in my career. I don't know what that is like, but guys used to do that all the time. So that. That wasn't me. But when the game started, I don't know what happened to me, bro. Like, I would just go crazy. Like, I would talk shit to the refs, I would talk shit to the other team. Like, I would listen. I would listen to a lot of Jeezy before the game. And then right before I came out, I would turn on it's in the Air, the DMX version of Phil Collins. The DMX version of that. And I don't know what it was, bro. I would just. Like, if I was playing today, I would get thrown out because I would go at the ref so much. But back then, like, I'll never forget one line judge, he called a penalty on one of Our linemen. And I looked up at the jumbotron, and I didn't think it was holding, so I said something to him. This motherfucker was like, fuck you, tj the ref. I was like, fuck you. And so we was just going at it. Ten minutes later, he came up to me. We good? I said, yeah, yeah, we good. Today's game, I'm getting thrown out. I'm getting thrown out. And so that to me. But. And a lot of my teammates would tell you, like, I let him. And I didn't choose to be a leader. As you can see, I'm a talker. I like to talk. And so guys, like, I'm a lead by example. If I feel you not working hard, I'm not calling you out in front of everybody. I'm going to come put my arm around you, like, bro, we all dream to get here. And now you acting like it don't matter because if you weren't here, you would be upset. But you taking being here for granted. And so, yeah, man, that leadership part, I don't believe it always has to be the quarterback. It always has to be the best player.
- [29:53]
Jack Jones
What you just described is leadership. Like, we have a picture of what we think it is, like in the middle of the huddle, pregame speech, but what you just described is real leadership. How you bring somebody to the side and that's what I want, bring the truth to them. Like, that's leadership.
- [30:07]
TJ Hockenson
Look, Jack. Jack, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you.
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D
You can hear me?
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TJ Hockenson
That's my dog. Look, look, look. So this perfect segue, just so y' all know, this Jack Jones, this. I know him as Jack. Jack. Been knowing this boy since he was 14. Seen him go from a. I guess a little boy to a young man to a grown man with children. I love this boy like he my son. For real. Like he a family member, man. Could you hear the conversation? That's Darren Waller. You know who that is, right?
- [30:35]
D
Yeah, I know who that is.
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TJ Hockenson
Yeah. If you didn't, he would have lost your little ass. Jack.
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D
Crazy out your mind?
- [30:41]
TJ Hockenson
Hey, let me. Let me bring you into this conversation about leadership. What's your take on leadership as far as the best player? The coaching staff wants him to be the leader as opposed to just the locker room determines who the leader is, whether it's the best player or not, or the quarterback, whoever it may be.
- [31:05]
D
I think the leader is based on what you do every day and the consistency. You know what I'm saying? You don't get that leader Role because you're the best player or because you're in a certain position, you get that leader role because the work you put in and how you lead the team and how you get the guys to rally along and how you get guys fired up, you know, it's a lot of things that go with that, but I don't think it's position. Position based. I don't think that.
- [31:34]
TJ Hockenson
All right, so we. We gonna. We gonna talk about you and we gonna bring the people into your story. So I'm gonna let him tell a bit of it. But Jack, Jack grew up, born and raised, Long Beach, California. Go ahead and Google Long beach if y' all not familiar with it. His family is well known in the Long Beach Beach. From what I was told back in the day, it's two families that run Long beach, huh? The Joneses and who are the Calhouns. That's what I was told. Jones is in the Calhouns. But Jack, Jack, man, in high school, unbelievable on both sides of the ball, defense and offense. And I tell people this all the time. And I'm not just saying this because you here and because, you know, I wouldn't. I don't sugarcoat nothing. This boy, when he was a boy, used to practice. So I never seen a kid in high school practice as hard as you. And I think I've told you this plenty of times like we used to. Jack, Jack, slow down. I'd never seen a kid this young practice that hard and love football the way that you loved it in high school. Like, it was just. We gotta tell God. Come on, bro. Go harder. Jack, Jack, get out the shift. No, you, you, slow down. You. He was like that at 14 years old. Genuinely love football. He done had some mishaps in the league. And I get on the phone with him and I'm like, Jack, come on. Your situation. I believe you. One of the best players in the league. That's not in the league, that should be in the league. Because if you was in the league, you'd be starting on at least 28 of the 32 teams. We know that. I'm a vouch for him. For any team that's listening to this. We done had conversations.
- [33:30]
D
Yeah.
- [33:30]
TJ Hockenson
Deep conversations. What, the last three weeks? Probably.
- [33:33]
D
Yeah, yeah.
- [33:34]
TJ Hockenson
Just making sure you got your shit straight. You're a father. You have matured. And we all mature at different rates at different times. And they can't expect you to mature on a timeline. You're going to mature on your timeline. With that being said, kind of take us through Going from New England to the Raiders, you finally get a coach that believed in you, that same coach that was with us at Long Beach Poly and AP Antonio Pierce, and where you are now and what you're looking to accomplish moving forward.
- [34:15]
D
I mean, just the whole situation, it was a. It was a blessing, man. A humbling experience, you know, that's all I got to say. And I'm blessed to be able to play with ap, you know, a high school coach, a guy who. Who've been watching over me, you know, pretty much, you know, a lot of. Part a lot of my life. So, you know, that's a blessing. I don't take that for granted. But looking forward, man, I just. I just look forward to, you know, getting another opportunity and really proving myself, man. Just really proving that I've grown and I've learned, that the mistakes that I made is they already made, you know what I'm saying? And I don't want to keep making those mistakes, you know what I'm saying? I don't want to be one of those guys looked at as, like, a bad kid or a bad man or somebody who's uncoachable or somebody who doesn't fit in programs. I want to be that guy that fits in every program. I want to be a star in my role, you know what I'm saying? It's just, like, I had to go through them times to learn and to understand, and it's like I went through those times, and I'm just ready for the next opportunity just to prove myself and, you know, take full advantage of it.
- [35:22]
Jack Jones
No doubt. Jack, I want to ask you a question. Cause I didn't even. Your Rookie year was 22, right?
- [35:28]
TJ Hockenson
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [35:30]
Jack Jones
So I was on the Raiders in 22, and you was on the Patriots, and I was out of practice. I had an injury. I remember one day we came into the meeting, post practice, into an offensive meeting, and everybody was like, man, it's this rookie out there that's. That's talking crazy, that's trying to go at Tay. Like, you think, like, there's a lot of vets in the league that are not trying to step to Tay. And here you are as a rookie, like, out there at training camp, like, what's. Like, what's up? Like, trying to compete with the best receiver in the league, you know what I'm saying? Like, where does that come from? Like, and tell the people, like, the type of edge that it takes, especially as a corner and somebody that's, like, really out there shutting shit down. Like, you can't just be out there, Timmy, like, hoping you could run with Tay. Like, you really gotta step out there knowing who you are and what you bring to the table. So, like, can that be taught? Is that. Do you. Are you born with that? Like, speak to that?
- [36:19]
D
I mean, I feel like you built that through the work you put in, man. Honestly, like what TJ said. I was a guy in high school who put in so much work, so I just felt like nobody worked harder than me. You wasn't gonna outwork me. I feel like everything I did, I was gonna do it better, you know what I'm saying? If you beat me, this rep, that was just. I'm gonna win the whole battle, though, you know what I'm saying? So when I. The mindset I had going up against Tay was just like, I'm not here to put my toe in the water. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to go in head first. I'm trying to go in and guard the best receivers week in and week out. That's what I wanted to do, you know what I'm saying? And I believe in my abilities, and I believe I could do that, and I will do that. And when I get my opportunity, I'mma prove that.
- [37:05]
Jack Jones
Hell yeah.
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Let me check this pocket. Oh, mints.
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- [41:19]
TJ Hockenson
Moving forward Jack Jones, the person if you're a general manager, you a head coach, why should they feel comfortable signing you on your roster? On their roster, feeling like you may be a liability? What would you tell them if they asked you that?
- [41:42]
D
I mean, a liability? In which ways do you know?
- [41:45]
TJ Hockenson
Off the field, Personal on the field? I don't believe anybody has any questions on the field. Jack Jones, a ballerina. To me, everything is off the field. I know your character. I know who you are. I know the environment you grew up in. And that environment is me or you. I'd rather you than me and deal with the consequences. But as we mature or that ain't always the right way. And you've learned that and you're still learning that. Jack, Jack the person, not the player. Because I don't believe there's any question when it pertains to the player. It's the person.
- [42:30]
D
I've grown, man. I'm not that same young man I used to be, you know what I'm saying? I got kids. I got my babies depending on me, you know what I'm saying? I can't just go out here and make the same mistakes or the same decisions I used to make when I was young without kids, you know what I'm saying? So I just kind of feel like my babies, man, they just, they just, they weighing on me a lot more, you know, I'm spending a lot more time with them and it's just like, it just mean a lot more to me, you know what I'm saying? You know, I already love the game. So just the fact that I'm not on the team and I, and I can't say like, yes, I'm in the NFL right now, currently, today. It crushes me. It hurts, like, you know what I'm saying? Because I love ball, but man, it's my babies, man. I'm a changed man and I feel like everybody around me can see that. And you just have to get around me to See that.
- [43:23]
Jack Jones
For real shit, you talking to somebody that, man. Like, where people at one point in time in my career try to define me by my character at a certain point or take a snapshot of who they thought that I was, but that. That was not the end narrative of my story. After that, there was. It was Pro Bowls. It was the best years of my career. Me, you know what I'm saying? Having a C on my chest. And people, like, really respect what I brought to the table, because that. Who was the true me, that was the real me. So I understand what it's like to go through and, you know, react in certain ways to whatever it may be in life. But, man, there's still so much of your story that is going to be written, man. Like, don't even think about this time as, like, ever being an ending or being. Or doubting yourself just because you haven't found a home yet, bro. Like, you still got a lot to bring to the table and. And God's got a lot more in front of you, bro. For real.
- [44:13]
D
Appreciate it, man.
- [44:13]
Jack Jones
Yes, sir.
- [44:14]
TJ Hockenson
Hey, in your short career. Short career, who's the best receivers that you had to guard and who's won five years? No, no, no, no, no. There's some good players. And who's one that surprised you? Like, oh, shit, he got something to him. I didn't think he was like that.
- [44:37]
D
That one player, Jack Jones, that's the only one. I ain't gonna lie. You know, these boys can see me. I'm keeping real, man. If I'm really in my bag, it.
- [44:47]
TJ Hockenson
Don'T got nothing to do with seeing you. What receivers have you covered? Where you like? They good? Yeah. No. Matter of fact.
- [44:55]
D
Matter of fact, speaking of that practice, that practice, that Raider practice in New England, I mean, when I was in New England, it was. I don't even remember his name. I just remember he was a number 89. And I was talking so much stuff to Tay. I ain't gonna lie. That boy came out there and went two for two on me.
- [45:12]
TJ Hockenson
I was so sick, you know? You know who. Who number 89 is, Darren?
- [45:17]
Jack Jones
You know, back in 22, I think it was.
- [45:21]
D
I want to say, like. I want to say Cooper. Maybe it was like Cooper something or something Cooper, I think.
- [45:27]
Jack Jones
Nah, that was amari Cooper at 89, but that was a while ago. That was before I even got there. Brian Edwards was 89 and 21, but I think he went to the Falcons at some point. I don't know.
- [45:38]
TJ Hockenson
Oh, no.
- [45:39]
D
Maybe his name was Tony. I Think Tony was. Does that sound right?
- [45:43]
Jack Jones
I don't know, bro.
- [45:44]
TJ Hockenson
He was. He was at 89.
- [45:46]
D
For sure. For sure, little bro.
- [45:48]
TJ Hockenson
Sorry. Sorry, bro.
- [45:49]
Jack Jones
If you see this, I'm sorry, bro.
- [45:52]
TJ Hockenson
Was it Keelan Cole? It was key.
- [45:55]
Jack Jones
I really don't think KEELAN Cole was 84. I definitely remember Keelan Cole, boy.
- [45:59]
D
Yeah, I remember. And that's my dog.
- [46:01]
Jack Jones
Oh, man, that's one of a kind, bro.
- [46:05]
TJ Hockenson
Yeah. Yeah. So key. Key, like you, I trained guys. He was one of the first guys that I trained when he came out. Yeah, you know, he. He acting now. He. He trying to get in the Hollywood. He out here.
- [46:17]
Jack Jones
Should be, bro. He should be doing some comedy skits, bro. Like, he a clown. For real.
- [46:21]
TJ Hockenson
Yeah. So, Jack. Okay, nobody gives Jack Jones problems on the field as far as a receiver. Give me corners that you not say, model your game after, but you like to watch, to try to pick up little things here and there.
- [46:43]
D
I mean, all the guys who they say is top corners, like, literally all of them. Jalen Johnson, Jair Alexander, Jalen Ramsey, A.J. terrell. Well, miss, I'm missing somebody else on that list. So I'll be watching. Like, Patrick's entertaining a lot.
- [47:07]
TJ Hockenson
Yeah.
- [47:10]
D
I think that's it. I watched a little bit of Darius Clay. I'm a fan of him, but I don't know, I just never really tapped in that much. I'm gonna start looking into him a little bit more. But I just watched all the top guys who they say is the top guys, and, you know, I just. I don't know, I just try to be that. Be better than that. Whatever you want to say when.
- [47:29]
TJ Hockenson
When you. When you look at the situation where here we sit. June 24th, a lot of training camps begin probably 21 to 27 days out. When that time comes. Jack. Jack Jones. I call him Jack Jack. So when you hear me stuttering with that, it's because, you know, I'm calling him what we call him and not his buys. Jackie Jones by his real name. If you are not signed, you gotta let her. Like, you're gonna still be working like you are signed. Because my last season, it was a lockout, and I wasn't. When the lockout ended, I want to say it was like either late August or early September was just like last minute bow 2012 or 2011, whatever it was. And I was working out, but I wasn't really working out. So then I started, like, trying to work out and rush everything, and I strained my calf. And then I got signed like, four days later. Played With a calf that I couldn't burst, like, I couldn't really run. I go about 80%, but I could never get to a hundred. And they wouldn't tell me this. I got coaches telling other players, like, yeah, man, TJ lost a step, literally. And I'm like, bro, my cat. Cause I can't run. And so I say that to say whether you are on a team or not. And I believe you will, and I believe you should be. Boy, you better be working like you on the team. Because when that opportunity come, they don't care if you've been working out hard. They don't care if. Oh, I didn't think I was going to be signed. You know the saying, you stay ready.
- [49:34]
D
You ain't got to get ready, you.
- [49:35]
TJ Hockenson
Ain'T got to get ready. And so my message to you is, stay ready. Mentally, I know your pops is on your ass. I'm on your ass. Pause. But there's no more motivation than the babies you got. If you don't do it for nobody, you do it for them and yourself. Because a talent like you shouldn't be damn where I'm going to sign. And it's Jack Jones the person, not Jack Jones the player. Now, we gonna leave that. Hey, what you like to do outside of football? I know you be playing video games. I'll beat the fuck out you imagine. I know you be playing. I will beat the fuck out you imagine. But outside of that, yo game at all, hey, do you be playing? Do you just play like, head to head or you be on franchise?
- [50:30]
D
Shit, I mean, it really depends. I'll be playing all that for real.
- [50:35]
TJ Hockenson
You play franchise?
- [50:36]
D
Yeah.
- [50:36]
TJ Hockenson
I'm gonna add you to some leagues. I mean, you're gonna get your ass beat.
- [50:41]
D
All right? For sure.
- [50:42]
TJ Hockenson
We're gonna see here. And you. You play video games or you too grown for.
- [50:45]
D
That's being a booth, being in on a video game.
- [50:50]
Jack Jones
Once I started making. Once I started making music, I just like video games. Just kind of just like, fell off naturally.
- [50:56]
TJ Hockenson
You ain't got notes. So how often you in the studio? Who, me?
- [51:01]
Jack Jones
Oh, him.
- [51:03]
TJ Hockenson
You ain't rapping.
- [51:04]
D
Yeah, I don't rap.
- [51:05]
TJ Hockenson
Talking to Mr. Waller, I might just.
- [51:07]
D
Show it up the way I gotta change the screen.
- [51:09]
TJ Hockenson
No, you. You look like you rapping with all the jury on, like, something I gotta.
- [51:22]
Jack Jones
Say. I'll be. I'll be in the lab. I got my engineer, he lives in Houston. And so I'll fly him out. Or I'll either go there for like three, four days in A row. I'll usually, like, stock up writing some shit. Probably like three, four songs by the time I go see him. Probably like once a month. And then we'll cook up on the spot too, get a couple songs. So every time we link up, it's three, four songs that's getting done. And yeah, so I'm not recording every day. Plus, I think feel like. You know what I'm saying? I rap about real life, shit that I'm going through, shit that I'm really experiencing. So I'm like. I feel like I gotta have life lived in between. I can't just be like, caved up in a studio thinking I'm about. Write about some real studio in your house? Yeah, I mean, I'm in the. I'm in the room right now.
- [52:01]
TJ Hockenson
Yeah. Yeah, it looked like it. That's why I asked.
- [52:03]
Jack Jones
In the studio, I got the acoustics and I got the computer monitor set up right there.
- [52:09]
D
You know how to play anything else? Like John's piano or anything?
- [52:12]
Jack Jones
I've been playing piano for about a year now. I know how to play a lot of songs. I got really gotta learn, like, theory and. For real, But I'm not. I ain't no real piano player. I could play you some songs, but.
- [52:21]
TJ Hockenson
He asking you that because all them artists that come up out of Long beach, that's what it is. It's all kind of artists because it's a small city, but it's so many people with so much talent now. You know what, Jack? Not many people know. Let me ask you this. And I just thought about it. When we start talking music again, you grew up playing in a Snoop New football league.
- [52:43]
Jack Jones
Yeah.
- [52:44]
TJ Hockenson
How was that, man? Because Long beach just sent a lot of dudes to the league. And at least for me, Willie McGinnis was one who always made it and was balling. But he was always present at Paulie. All seasons. He coming to Paulie. He retired. He was at Paulie three, four days a week. So between Willie Mack and Sue, how was that plan with a Snoop U. Football team with other guys that are now in the league?
- [53:18]
D
Yeah. Nah, that. That's a. That's. That's where the competitive nature come from. You know, we've been competing since we was 6, 7, 8 years old. And it was like real competitive. Like we lose games, we crying after winning a fight. You know, it feel like we done lost the super bowl after a regular Saturday, like, you know what I'm saying? So. Nah, but. But. Shout out to Snoop, man. Shout out to Willie that they was always there every time they could be, you know?
- [53:42]
Jack Jones
Cause they.
- [53:42]
D
They got a really busy schedule, but they definitely helped out a lot of kids in Long beach, you know what I'm saying? Putting that league in there, putting the teams around, and, you know, some guys took advantage of it.
- [53:55]
TJ Hockenson
So, Juan, we appreciate you joining us, man. Thank you. Now, any of you teams listening? The majority, man. Y' all got my number. I done had the same number 25 years. That's how old. I done had the same number for 25 years, man. Y' all call me. I'm gonna get y' all the real. I ain't gonna. Now, one thing I won't do, I don't lie. I ain't gonna lie for him, but I believe in this dude. Because we all have lessons and we all have trials, and we all have things that we don't like. And Darren is a perfect example of that. Like, had a lot of misfortune early in his life, in his career. Got a second, third chance, boom, we good. And you, Mr. Jack, just made a couple bad decisions. And they not like, oh, my God, what was he doing? Passionate. Sometimes that passion works for us, and sometimes it works against us. Yeah, we gotta channel that the right way. So if y' all don't believe he can do it, I'm vouching for him. He can do it because I'm gonna be, like I said earlier on his ass, like, back pockets, you're too good of a player to not be playing on Sunday. But always remember, man, the league don't give a fuck if you playing or you ain't playing. You either gonna roll with them or you gonna get your ass ro. So just make sure you doing. You holding up your end of the bargain. Stay out of trouble, Take care of your babies, take care of yourself, take care of your family, and let these teams know they can trust you.
- [55:48]
D
Nah, for sure, man. I appreciate you, man. I appreciate y' all having me.
- [55:51]
Jack Jones
Good man.
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TJ Hockenson
Love you, dog. You need something? Holla at me, man.
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I love you, too. All right, Darren.
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Jack Jones
Peace, bro.
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TJ Hockenson
The volume.
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Jack Jones
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TJ Hockenson
Cool, crisp, and fresh.
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Jack Jones
There's a reason why it's the number one man's antiperspirant. And it's back in Walmart Target and other stores now for under $4. So try it and see what the fuss is about. Head to your local Walmart, Target and try to OG Cool rush for yourself.
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TJ Hockenson
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