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Nightcap Hour 1: NEW NBA All-Star Format is a SUCCESS + Joe CALLS FOR Zion to do DUNK CONTEST + Adam Silver FOCUSED on ELIMINATING Tanking
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Ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc. And that is my partner and co host, Liberty City's own bingo's ring of fame honoree, a former pro bowler and an all pro. That is Chad Ochocinko. Johnson and the third member joining us tonight after All Star weekend. He's a University of Arkansas alum, Little Rock, Arkansas native, a seven time NBA all star from the Atlanta Hawks and recently nominated for the Basketball hall of Fame. He's ISO Joe Johnson. Joe, what it do and what's happening?
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Uncle Ocho
What's happening?
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, we good over here, bro. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Again, thank you for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by Laportier, head over to laportiercognac.com if you cannot find it in a state or city near you. It is the premium VSOP Cognac, the best tasting premium VSOP cognac on the market. What's up French fry? Try it compared against other cognacs and you'll see we have the best tasting smoothest cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. We got a very special guest joining us tonight, Keyshaw Johnson, who won the dunk contest. But first, the new round robin format of the 2026 NBA All Star Game was an instant hit. The Team USA stars featured MVP Anthony Air with Tyrese Maxey. Cade Cunningham won, beating the star USA stars, I mean, excuse me, stripes, 47, 21 in a rematch because the Stripes beat them earlier in the championship games. But the three round robin game showed the All Star giving more effort than previous. Scotty Barnes and Darren Fox hit game winners in the first two while Kawhi scored 31 in the third game of the team's 47. And they and the dagger three with 3.5 seconds left eliminated the world team led by Victor when Minyama and Nicola Jokic. Joe, the first three games, Adam Silva couldn't accept it in a any better. The Stripes, they ran out of gas in that last game. The three games back to back to back with that kind of intensity, kind of caught up with them. But Joe, did you like what you saw from the first three rounds and do you like this format?
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Uncle Ocho
Man, I loved it, Uncle Ocho. I thought it was great. I thought it brought crazy excitement to the game. Something that we all been as fans, that we all been stressing about over the past few years. So those guys brought it. The main thing was they competed, Uncle Ocho. They came out, they put it on the line. You could tell, you could tell the old, the old head. They didn't want to lose to the.
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Joe Johnson
World, the world team.
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Uncle Ocho
The world team they didn't want. So they came out and played hard. But Unc, I think you right when you have to start that engine, then cut it off and then start it again, try to get going. Them young boys, hey, them young.
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Joe Johnson
Them.
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Uncle Ocho
Young boys read about the building that last game, but I thought it was fun, man. I thought the whole All Star weekend was dope. Uncle Ultra. I'm talking about from the, I thought the celebrity game. Ah, you know, yeah, six, seven, whatever. But I thought, I thought the, the, the young cast, the rising stars game was pretty good. A three point shooter out the Don contest. I thought, I thought it was a success, you know, for the NBA. It was a good look.
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Joe Johnson
This whole weekend, Ocho you muted.
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Shannon Sharpe
I say I like the new format. It was exciting. A lot of people have been complaining about the All Star Game not, not being, not for the, not the players not playing to their full potential. You know, out there lally gagging, playing around, trying not to get themselves hurt. But they competed. And that, that's the one thing, that's the one thing we asked for is for you guys to compete. There's only, there's only one time out the year where you get all the stars on the court at the same time. And the format that they have right now, the formula, they finally found the answer on a way to get everybody to compete. And I, I, it was exciting for me and uncle, you know how I feel about basketball. It's not something that I, that I really enjoy watching but, but tonight I really did. I really enjoyed it.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I like this format also. I thought Victor women Yama set the stage and he made it known. I'm competing, right? Oh yeah, I'm, I'm competing. I'm blocked. He was blocking shots. He was challenging. He did not, they were not selling with no whole lot of, you know, trying to throw lobs and shooting from half court. Yeah, guys took some deep shots but they were open and, but I, I like this format. I think this is what we should see. Now is it, is it playoff basketball? No, but it's better than it's been the previous seven, eight years.
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Uncle Ocho
I agree.
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Joe Johnson
There's no denying that you might be like, well let's get back to the east and west and okay, fine, if you want to make it east and west. But if it's going to be this competitive, if this is the only way we can make the game competitive, guys, I'll say stick to this format because I'm not so sure. That when you get all the guys and you split it up east and west, you still going to get this competitive nature. The young. The world team wanted to win.
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Uncle Ocho
Right.
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Joe Johnson
Neither one of the USA teams wanted to lose to the world team. That's why you saw them compete the way they did. You saw fouls. It wasn't no ease. No. Yeah. You got some breakaways. But when, when. When we got up under the basket and guys got up under the basket, they filed the ish out of them. Yeah. And that's the way it should be. I ain't giving you nothing cheap.
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Uncle Ocho
Right, Right.
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Joe Johnson
Go to the free throw line and make it. And then that third game, Kawhi went crazy. Joe. I don't know. And I've been watching a lot of all star games. I've never seen a guy when the level of competition is like this. Yeah, I got to get this hot. He dropped 31 of that 47.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah. He was unconscious in that third game. Okay. Ocho, you know what? You know what's special about it is because it's in his house.
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Joe Johnson
Yes.
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Uncle Ocho
In his arena, in his state. You know what I mean? So in his city. So I feel like. I feel like Kawhi, he really came out and gave us what we wanted to see because I think they needed that push from him. They needed him.
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Joe Johnson
If he don't play like that, they lose it.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah. You can see the guys just deferring to him, too. Obviously, it was his moment. And that's. That's what it's about, bro.
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Joe Johnson
When you get a guy like that.
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Uncle Ocho
Going in the atmosphere like that, you want to continue to feed the high hand. And I thought he put on a terrific show that Game three.
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Joe Johnson
He was. He was. He was unbelievable. He was unbelievable. And it wasn't a whole lot. Yeah, he got. I think he got a layup and he got. He stole the ball and got a dunk. But other than that, it was threes and midis. And like I said, I'm not saying other guys haven't been hot, but when we watch Stephen put him that three point clinic.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Guys, he was. He was open. They weren't playing. They weren't competing.
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Uncle Ocho
Right.
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Joe Johnson
This was competing.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Joe Johnson
You know, in AD got. When AD had 50 and I think he had like 17 dunks.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
This was like NBA basketball. When you see guys, when you seen Donovan Mitchell, you've seen Kobe and you've seen Steph and Clay, guys get hot for a quarter. Guys were competing. Wimby was hitting threes in guys face guy, he was turning around, making shots. KD was making shots and they needed every last one of those points because if they don't get them, the world team was about to beat the strikes.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah, they, they, they were, they were.
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Joe Johnson
I mean, he dropped 31 and then that three. It's like you knew it was going in, right? You knew it was going in. But unfortunately they ran out of steam. They played the Stars team again because remember, they had to lead on the star on the stars. The stars come back. Ant man thought he had done it again just like he did in the first game. Guess what? They come back. LeBron hit a cutting Donovan Mitchell. Mitch kicks the defox in the corner. So that is basketball. That's what we want to see. They were competing today. Go ahead. Oh, hey, hey.
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Shannon Sharpe
Joe and Unk. I, I think they figured it out with the format in this formula that they have and getting the players to actually play without having to incentivize them with the way they've done it. But I think there's still one thing missing. The dunk contest is supposed to be the one thing that everybody really wants to see. They need to get, find a way to get the dunk. The dunk contest being the one thing that everybody wants to tune in to see. I'm not sure what they need to do.
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Uncle Ocho
No, you know what they need to do?
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Shannon Sharpe
What?
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Joe Johnson
The guy. You gotta want to come.
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Uncle Ocho
You gotta have a mega stars to play in it. You need the Zions. You need those dudes, bro.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
I mean, same thing they said about getting the star quarterbacks to go complete the Pro Bowl. How many times you see Tom Brady at the Pro Bowl?
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Shannon Sharpe
You right, right.
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Joe Johnson
Some guys ain't coming. The guys don't, they don't want, they don't want to compete. So this notion where Jordan did it and that guy. This is a new era.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Guys are marching to their own drunk, their own beat. They're doing things their way. They don't care that Kobe competed. They don't care that Jordan and Dr. J and, and some of the great dunkers who were the great players in years past have done it. They don't care about that. That doesn't move them.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Know what I, I think, I think what I really think, UNC and OO is that, you know, in this era everything is, is magnified far greater than it was in the 90s because we didn't have obviously the social media.
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Shannon Sharpe
Social media.
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Joe Johnson
Correct.
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Uncle Ocho
So like, if you get, if, if you get embarrassed, they gonna Continue to show it over and over and you probably continue to see it. I think that's one of the reasons why these dudes don't compete neither. You know, everybody has their own brand. They don't want to lose this, that and third. So, you know, I kind of see why we'll never get the mega stars to join in. The dudes with the, with, with, with the signature shoes, things of that. So that's what we want to see. We want to see them, the megastars, get out there and compete, bro, and put on the show.
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Shannon Sharpe
I would love it.
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Joe Johnson
And it used to be the great dunk. But here's the thing. What has transpired now is that the three point shot has replaced the dunk as more exciting. Man. You see guys, you see guys now coming down. They launching threes. They heat checking. Okay. Oh, he don't. Okay, fine. Good. We've seen it. But now with the three point shot, the three point shot now, Joe, is more exciting than. Because that's. Because. What do you see? You see guys run to the three point line and they looking to end the game. If you think about it today, what are we talking about? 3 point shot by Ant Man. 3 point shot by Defox. 3 point shot by Kawhi. Ain't nobody mentioned nothing about no dunks.
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Uncle Ocho
No.
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Joe Johnson
LeBron had a great put back.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Bronson missed the ball and LeBron dumped it on the guy's head. Ain't nobody mention it until I just brought it up. We saw it. But the more, the more interesting thing now is the three point shot. Steph has made that. Now everybody want to shoot the ball and turn the. I already know that's going. Let me head on down. I ain't going to hold you.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, right.
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Joe Johnson
That's the thing now, Joe.
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Uncle Ocho
Right.
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Joe Johnson
So I, I don't know if we'll ever, if the dunk contest will ever be what it once was. Because like you said, Joe, the stars used to compete. Guys that were in. Jordan was actually in the all star game. Dominique was in the all star game. Guys used to beat Clyde Drexler, Dr. J, Larry Nash. Those guys that competed, the Kobe's, the Vince Carters, they were actually in the game.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Now you got the bag bar. And still we had to get an eye. A guy that's not in the league to come up. And I'm not so sure that if he, if, if the dunks that he showed last night, say these were the dunks I was going to dunk, he'd have been a four time champ, Joe.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
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Joe Johnson
A.B.
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Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
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Joe Johnson
He'd have been a four time champ. But what it is. But I just don't know how. I don't know. OO if we're ever going to get the best players.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
To compete in the dunk competition because a lot of the best players aren't high. KD is not a high riser. Jokic is not a high riser. Giannis is seven foot tall. A guy that's seven foot tall don't look good.
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Shannon Sharpe
Duncan.
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Joe Johnson
All you got to do is tiptoe.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
It's not even creativity with that.
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Shannon Sharpe
Right. It's not even them though. Uncle. Uncle Joe is about those that are, that are dunkers that had the creativity to it. You know, obviously it's not. The, the best players aren't the best dunkers and.
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Joe Johnson
Right.
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Shannon Sharpe
The best dunkers don't have the most creativity. So it's about finding those that, that excel in that specific area, in that specific craft. That's exciting. Zion is one that, that I can think of. John Moran, you know, those that play above the rim and I'm not sure how you can do it. They make so much money where, where even if you incentivize it, it'd be hard to get them to compete in it. Especially at a time like that. Especially if you don't make the All Star Game just to go down there just for a dunk contest.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
I mean the, the in the incentivization would have to be so large. It had to be worth it, man.
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Joe Johnson
Guys, that's not going to compete, Joe. You know, they want that little time, they want that little three, four day, that little mini break. They get down to Jamaica or, or Mexico or somewhere. Somewhere with the, with the wife, the girlfriend, the family, whatever the case may be. They want that. They're not going if it's. Oh, Joe. It's kind of like who goes to the suit. The actual super bowl game. If you're not playing any man, you might go down there because you have advertising sponsors. You got to go to Radio Row. But other than that, you're not going.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
And you damn sure it wasn't nobody that didn't make the Pro bowl coming to the Pro Bowl.
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Shannon Sharpe
Right.
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Uncle Ocho
Right.
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Joe Johnson
So these guys like, I ain't in it, so what the hell? I'm going. Why am I spending my money to go somewhere? No, I'm with the NFL. I'm gonna let the NBA spend their money and fly me there or get me there.
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Uncle Ocho
Right.
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Joe Johnson
And then, you know, I'll participate. But I thought this was very interesting. I love the competition. I love how guys ratcheted up. Guys made shots and we know they can make shot. You're in this league, you can make shots. But they, everybody was forced to make shots today. And I think, I think everybody that watched, I think they were very excited. Look, we know the last game, 4721, it was a blowout. The stars were fresh. They had, they had 20 minutes off and they could recover. The last guys. What's up, bro? The last, the old, the, the Stripes, Joe, they needed that break, right? But, but the play, because they exerted a lot. You know, when you trying to win, you exert a lot of energy. These guys exerted a lot.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
And they needed to. Yeah.
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Uncle Ocho
And, and when you look at it, the Stripes brun them, they didn't really have no, they ain't really had no big. They just had shooters.
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Joe Johnson
Duran was killing them.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Uncle Ocho
So when you playing against Duran and Wimby and all them, you know what I mean? It's already, y' all already at a disadvantage. But for the most part, I thought they competed. Except their last game, it was just too much. Them young boys ran them out the gym. But it was fun, man. It was exciting. I mean, they had me glued from start to finish. So, you know, from a fan standpoint, I'm, I'm, I'm super, super appreciative of that. Yeah, yeah.
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Joe Johnson
You get an overtime game in the first one. You get a game winning shot. You get a game. I mean the, the, the Stripes had to leave, had to leave for a long time. And then ant man goes crazy and he hits what he thought was a game winner. And then the. They swing it, swing it. And Dearra fox right up in the corner as the buzzer. Bam, man. And then you get. Now you got the Stripes against the world.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
And you get kawhi going bonkers. LeBron hit a couple of logos. KD did what, did what KD does. But it was Kawhi. Kawhi goes crazy. And before these injuries start to besiege him, Kawhi was a top five player. He was the best two way player in basketball. And it wasn't close.
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Uncle Ocho
Absolutely.
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Joe Johnson
When he was at his apex. Yeah, those, those last two. Well before he got the injury, before Zaza cheap shot, slid his foot up on his ankle. He twisted his ankle against Golden State.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Those two years after Timmy left. Yeah, he was the, he was the best two way player. And it wasn't close.
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Uncle Ocho
I agree, I agree.
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Joe Johnson
He was, he Wasn't close. The injuries have robbed him. But we see. Yeah, when he's healthy.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he's.
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Joe Johnson
Oh, he held when he. Well now.
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Uncle Ocho
Oh, man, you put. Hey, look, at the end of the day, Uncle Ocho, you put him out there with some great talent, some guys who really know how to play. Yeah, like I'm saying, I know he's still option one on a team, but uncle Ocho, you put him on a team to where he don't have to work as hard and he can just kind of pick his.
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Joe Johnson
Get to his spot without having to.
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Uncle Ocho
Bring the spot and do his thing, man, he's still gonna be crazy effective and he could still help a team win a title.
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Joe Johnson
Yes.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, hey. How tall is Kawhi?
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Joe Johnson
About six, seven, seven, six, seven.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay, okay, okay.
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Joe Johnson
He can't play defense like he once could. The knee injuries, the quad, all those, the stuff has robbed him of that ability. But he's still offensive. And plus he's got the taste of offense in his mouth. Yeah, because you know, we did with Timmy. He deferred to Timmy. He was more of a defensive player. Yeah, but once Timmy left and Pop said, well, we need you to score more, he's like, hold on, man, I got 25 points. I'm a first team. Oh, damn. The hell with that defense, man. People don't be talking about that defense. Hey, they talk about this offense and he's sensational. He got a mid range game. He's taught himself how to shoot the three ball because he could not shoot the ball like this when he first got into the league. Now he get to that midi cash.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, he's just trying to get to.
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Joe Johnson
A spot dancer today. Hey, you see them dancing?
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Uncle Ocho
Yes, sir.
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Joe Johnson
In, out, crossover back.
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Shannon Sharpe
I got one for you though. Hey, Joe and un. Who got a better mid range game? Kd Kawhi Ashe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I've been paying attention now. Yeah, yeah.
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Joe Johnson
If we just go. If we just go in pure mid range.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
I would say it's probably between Kawhi and KD over Shay.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah, I'm probably. I'm gonna go. I ain't gonna lie. I'm gonna go. Kawhi Mane.
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Shannon Sharpe
It's automatic.
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Uncle Ocho
Ojo damn near. He's just trying to get to a spot, bro. He's just trying to get to a spot. He gonna raise up. You know, obviously he can. He'll throw a few pump fakes in there, but I'm talking about a mid range assassin. Obviously they all mid range assassins, but Kawhi for some reason, bro, I don't.
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Joe Johnson
Know what it is.
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Uncle Ocho
It's. You know, he. And he don't have a lot of arc on his shot neither. Uncle Ocho. It's kind of like a straight line drive. But it's cash. Yeah, it's cash.
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Joe Johnson
I. I think. I think the thing is, like, because we, like Katie had. But Kawhi has turned himself into a great three point shooter. A joke.
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Uncle Ocho
Yeah, he is. Yes, we.
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Joe Johnson
We know KD has always had that. Now, for me, Shea is not the three point shot maker that those guys are.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
But man, Kawhi can hang. He can put the a. He's. He's phenomenal. And I. I hate that injuries have robbed him of some of his best years. Yeah, but when he's cooking, he gonna.
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Uncle Ocho
Hey, look, but Uncle Ocho, he been playing well over the past few months in.
- [23:40]
Joe Johnson
In the NBA. He.
- [23:41]
Uncle Ocho
What? He averaged. He probably averaging about.
- [23:43]
Joe Johnson
He averaged about 26. Probably about 26. Yeah. I mean, he just 25, 26.
- [23:47]
Uncle Ocho
You know, he. He been playing a lot more lately. Yes, he's out there. He giving you at least 25 a night, man.
- [23:55]
Joe Johnson
You know, he's middle of the night. What? He dropped 40 something the other night.
- [23:58]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Who they was playing against this. It was a good game too, that boy. One off.
- [24:06]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, but this was. This is. I. I think Adam Silver probably got on. Got on the NBA played and headed back to New York. It's like, yeah, I think we got something.
- [24:15]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [24:15]
Shannon Sharpe
Excited.
- [24:16]
Joe Johnson
You're happy now he's probably asking, okay, guys, what can. How do we improve upon. Yes, it's great foundation. It's the first time this format we see. How do we improve upon that? Now, Steph said shock waves when he said, oh, I see y' all next year in the three point competition.
- [24:32]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, hold up, hold up, though. My boy Dame dollar. He got something to say about that. He going for.
- [24:37]
Joe Johnson
That's why he coming back.
- [24:38]
Uncle Ocho
He coming back. Hey, hey, and kudos to the NBA for letting him play in it because he hadn't played all season due to the torn Achilles. And for him to come out and put out and come out and put on a performance like that. Uncle Ocho. Hey, that was impressive, bro.
- [24:52]
Joe Johnson
Oh, for sure. That was impressive. So you can get Steph, you can get Dame, get Clay, get Book, get kd, get.
- [25:02]
Uncle Ocho
Bring Con back. Bring Khan.
- [25:04]
Joe Johnson
Gotta come back. Absolutely. Yes. He's gotta come back. Bring him back.
- [25:08]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, I like a nipple.
- [25:11]
Joe Johnson
Cause now we got, you know, we got some. We got some three point Marks, because we got guys that's made a lot of threes, hit a lot of big time threes and clutch situations, but it's. And I need the finals to be between Dame and Steph.
- [25:23]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [25:23]
Joe Johnson
Oh, I need to. Hey, look, I. I get it, Joe. It'd be great that Steph is going to be in there, but I need the finals to be between Dame and Steph.
- [25:32]
Uncle Ocho
Man, listen, but check this out.
- [25:34]
Joe Johnson
If you.
- [25:34]
Uncle Ocho
Devin Booker, boy, you got to be kicking yourself because he missed them last three threes. All he needed was one.
- [25:40]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, he had him.
- [25:41]
Shannon Sharpe
And all, all three. The last three went, hit the rim, came out.
- [25:46]
Joe Johnson
Man, he had him.
- [25:47]
Uncle Ocho
He had him. He had him. But it was. I ain't gonna lie, that probably was the best event to me, honestly. I mean, the All Star game was great, but the three point shootout, I. I like to see the shooters, bro.
- [25:58]
Joe Johnson
And it's been like that for some time because why? Because you have the best three point shooters competing.
- [26:02]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [26:03]
Joe Johnson
You're getting Steph Curry competing, you getting Dame competing. You're getting the better three point guy. You're not getting the best dunkers.
- [26:10]
Uncle Ocho
Nah.
- [26:11]
Joe Johnson
And that's not a knock on these guys.
- [26:12]
Uncle Ocho
We get some good ones. They just.
- [26:14]
Joe Johnson
It's just the fact of the matter. Yeah, go ahead. What you want to say, Joe?
- [26:20]
Uncle Ocho
I say we getting some. Some decent ones, some good ones. But I want to see Zion. Brian gonna lie. I want to see him. I want to see him in this format. In the dunk contest.
- [26:33]
Joe Johnson
I'm.
- [26:34]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm telling. I'm gonna tell him. I'm gonna tell him, Joe, because that's who I put.
- [26:37]
Uncle Ocho
That's what I'm be putting my bread on.
- [26:39]
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- [29:40]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm going tell him.
- [29:41]
Joe Johnson
Hold on. Let me ask you a question. Is Matt McClung entered or is he not entered? If you put your money on anybody other than him, you high?
- [29:50]
Uncle Ocho
He had a good run Unc. It's over with.
- [29:52]
Joe Johnson
Did you see, if he come back and do those dunks that he showed, he winning again, Joe. I think Zion got dunked, and the guy threw the ball between his legs.
- [30:02]
Uncle Ocho
Ocho.
- [30:03]
Joe Johnson
And he called it. He went backwards. He kicked it with both feet. He kicked it with both feet and dunked it backwards.
- [30:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, he nice. Now.
- [30:16]
Joe Johnson
What are we supposed to do that, Joe? And because it looks good, because why, Joe? He's six foot tall.
- [30:21]
Uncle Ocho
Six, two, six, one. Yeah.
- [30:23]
Joe Johnson
So you know the show. That's why. Look. Come on, Joe. Look at this.
- [30:27]
Uncle Ocho
Nah, that's nasty. I ain't gonna last. Nasty, huh?
- [30:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, boy. Hey, once upon.
- [30:33]
Joe Johnson
Look at this one. Did you tell me. Tell me they gotta give him a 75 on this one. Look at this joke. Come on. Just over. He do those three dunks right there. It's over, Joe.
- [30:44]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, look, y' all heard Ant Man? Y' all heard Ant Man. Y' all talk about the world and all this. We still. We still the best. Don't get it twisted. If I. Hey, if Zion gonna make his mind up, man, I know he could top all that. Stop playing.
- [30:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I mean, and Zion is creative with it, too. He always gonna come with something different. I mean, he did it in college. He doesn't do it much in the NBA. Every. Every blue moon, he catch a little fast break, he'll switch it up. But if you give him time to think and be creative, knowing he got a dunk contest coming up, man, ain't no telling what he might come up with.
- [31:19]
Joe Johnson
And the thing is, with this. With this kid, he's so. He's so creative. I mean. Yeah, and that's what you got to do. Because it's hard. I mean, because we've seen Aaron Gordon and we've seen Zach Levine doing some dunks. You're like, well, damn, what are they gonna do now? Jump over the moon, right? We don't see the man jump over a car. We saw Blake Griffith jump over the hood of the car. Mike McClun Drop over the body of the car, reversing. Nigel. We gotta pull the moon in if somebody jump over the moon.
- [31:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, didn't. Didn't Blake Griffin compete in the dun contest? Yeah, he jumped over the car over the ikea, right?
- [31:54]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [31:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. That was exciting then.
- [31:58]
Uncle Ocho
Boy, it was close. It was a close one. Hey, but listen. Yeah. Matt McClung, he's creative because he does dunks that really we ain't never seen before. And that's what we want. We want that creativity. We want to see something that we ain't never seen before. It's something that these guys can do. They got to just be creative in the dunks. And I think that's the biggest key.
- [32:18]
Joe Johnson
Plus, the difference is now, Joe, these guys, because, like, Jordan wasn't practicing no dunks. Jordan was working on his game. He's like, I'm just gonna get here. And I figured out once I'm up in the air, what I'm gonna do. Matt mcclung is actually practicing these dunks. You know, Ms. Carter says, okay, the last day. Okay, a couple of nights before I put something together. Now, when you talk about mcclung, that he has this kind of time because he's not on an NBA. He's in the g league. He probably taking a month or so. Like, okay, let me see what I can come up with, because I don't know why we haven't seen somebody fake a thought of the dunk yet, that he comes up and his homeboy throws it between his legs and he catches.
- [32:55]
Uncle Ocho
It and dunks it back right now.
- [32:57]
Joe Johnson
That was nice. Kick boat. You kicked the ball with both. How you not kick the ball out your damn hand? But he kicking with both feet and still donkey Joe.
- [33:07]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, hey. At six feet to be getting up like that. Yeah, it looks great. It looks great on camera. It looks great in person. So I can see how, you know, he's won a few of these dunk contests. He got style, bro. You can't take that away from. We got to give him a lot of credit.
- [33:23]
Joe Johnson
And it's just like with spud Webb. We've never seen somebody that small jump that damn high, man. He couldn't palm the ball, so he had to slam everything off the court because he gonna go up and get it.
- [33:35]
Uncle Ocho
Oh, yeah.
- [33:35]
Joe Johnson
But we had never seen anything like that. He actually won. And Dominique was doing Dominique things, but he couldn't rival that because nobody had ever seen a guy jump that high, that size, man.
- [33:48]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, they always got advantage. The smaller dunker who can get up. That's why Nate Robinson has won a dun. You know what I mean? Like, them small guys who could leap, yeah. They got a great. They got a greater chance.
- [34:01]
Joe Johnson
It just looks different because if I mean a tall guy. Duncan. You're like giannis Duncan or. Or Jackson, bro. You seven foot tall.
- [34:09]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. It's not.
- [34:10]
Joe Johnson
But a guy that's a foot shorter than you, that's elevating like that, and he got creativity. It's just hard for a guy that seven, six, six, 10, six, you know, Jordan was another guy. Jordan was six.
- [34:21]
Jacob Goldstein
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- [34:21]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Yeah.
- [34:22]
Joe Johnson
So he was a little bit. He was creative with it. Yeah, Kobe was creative with it. You could have got his creative. Like Joe said, they got. They got elevators.
- [34:32]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [34:33]
Joe Johnson
Oh, it's gonna look crazy. And it. And that's what. And that's what those guys have. But I was. Look, I don't know if we'll ever get. I don't know if the dunk contest will ever get back to what it was, because I'm not so sure the big. The big guns are going to ever participate again, Joe, because the best dunkers. The best dunkers don't make the All Star game like they used to.
- [34:54]
Uncle Ocho
Right.
- [34:55]
Joe Johnson
Vince Carter was one of the. Was a top 15 player. Kobe, Jordan, Dominique, those. Dr. J, those were top players. Right? Well, you only got to have. I mean, Zion didn't make. Now. Now you. Hey, hey, just come. But I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. Normally guys do that early in their career, Joe. If they ain't done it by the first five years of the league, they not doing it.
- [35:17]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [35:17]
Uncle Ocho
That's why I think. I think if. If John Zion can get back to All Star caliber, you know, play and make the All Star game again, Uncle Ocho, I think they'll definitely think about it. But like y' all said, just to be flying down there for the dunk contest. Nah, we ain't doing it because you only get four or five days of rest, and they play heavy minutes, so. Them dudes not coming down there to do that, bro.
- [35:39]
Joe Johnson
Exactly.
- [35:40]
Uncle Ocho
Now, if they have to already be there if obligations for the All Star Game, then maybe we'll get some of that. But just to be coming for the dunk contest.
- [35:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Nah, nah.
- [35:49]
Joe Johnson
Or you get a guy like Jason Richardson. Jason Richardson. What was rich about six, four, Joe?
- [35:55]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, he about six, four, six, five.
- [35:56]
Shannon Sharpe
He could jump, boy.
- [35:57]
Uncle Ocho
That's my dream.
- [35:59]
Joe Johnson
You see how it look when he's dunking?
- [36:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. You know who else?
- [36:01]
Joe Johnson
Vince Carter. You see how it looks when he's dunking?
- [36:04]
Shannon Sharpe
You know who else could jump out the gym?
- [36:05]
Uncle Ocho
Who?
- [36:05]
Joe Johnson
That.
- [36:06]
Shannon Sharpe
That goddamn Shannon Brown boy.
- [36:08]
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He. Craig crazy.
- [36:09]
Uncle Ocho
He got some pogos, boy.
- [36:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
- [36:12]
Uncle Ocho
Then they have some pogos. Hey, look, what y' all probably don't remember is that year Vince Carter won the dunk contest, bro. It was so many stars in the dunk contest that year, from Tracy McGrady to Steve Francis to Jerry Stackhouse. But Vince Carter was so, so great that night.
- [36:29]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [36:30]
Uncle Ocho
Nobody even remember them dudes even being in There, bro.
- [36:32]
Joe Johnson
They don't. Yeah, that's the.
- [36:34]
Shannon Sharpe
That's the one, right?
- [36:36]
Joe Johnson
Was y' all green in that contest? Remember Jar Green was the one that blew out the candle?
- [36:40]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, I think he was in the one with, like, Dwight. How would it.
- [36:45]
Joe Johnson
Okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, but see that. That's creativity. You know, you dunk the ball and you blow out the kettle in the process. You're like, damn.
- [36:55]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, G. Green. Hey, he was. He was a hell of a dunker, too.
- [36:59]
Joe Johnson
Oh, yes.
- [36:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [37:00]
Joe Johnson
Yes. And the guys that we're talking about, they. They. I mean, after Vince dunk. After Vince dunked on Frederick Vice in the Olympics, people like, nah, he got the ball. Let me go and move out the way.
- [37:11]
Uncle Ocho
Talking about when he jumped over, dude. Yeah, yeah.
- [37:14]
Joe Johnson
If he jump over seven two, dude, what chance you got? He got Zoe. He posterized Zoe.
- [37:21]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, see? Hey, he didn't got. He didn't got all of them. If you're a shot blocker, Vincent guy, he got so, so good.
- [37:27]
Joe Johnson
Oh, and he be twisted with it, too. Cause you think you got to come out the baseline. He come to the front of the rim.
- [37:36]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, listen.
- [37:37]
Joe Johnson
Oh, whoa.
- [37:37]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, hey, Ocho. That was one dude, I swear when I came into the NBA. Cause Vince Carter was Vince Carter in 2001. He was the real half man insanity.
- [37:48]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [37:48]
Uncle Ocho
He had been said. He was the one dude you could not game plan for. Like, because he shot so many unorthodox shots, you didn't know if he was going left right which way he loved. Like, he was. I thought he was. I thought he was next up, bro. Yeah, I thought he was next up.
- [38:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [38:04]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, He.
- [38:05]
Joe Johnson
He. He could. He could flat out do it, man.
- [38:07]
Uncle Ocho
He. He was special.
- [38:09]
Joe Johnson
But. But this All Star game, I don't think anybody have anything to complain about.
- [38:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, no. You know how people are. It's. It's as great as it was for those that wanted something different as opposed to how it looked the other years. And then my dad Lally gagging and bull driving, shucking and driving. Somebody gonna have something to complain about, Uncle Joe? Oh, always.
- [38:30]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [38:31]
Shannon Sharpe
As great. As great as all the events were, you know, somebody gonna find something to complain about.
- [38:36]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, we just. I. I think it's. It's hard letting go. Sometimes the hardest thing to do, guys, is to let go. The past, and a lot of times, the people don't want to let go to pass. Man, I remember Big Ocho, man. You remember back in the day, we used to sell the porch. We playing checkers, talking ish.
- [38:55]
Uncle Ocho
Man, the memory, it's hard.
- [38:57]
Joe Johnson
It's hard to let that go. So it's hard to let the Jordan and the Kobe era go because a lot of times that's when people. That's when in the NBA was really starting. You saw that the eight early 80s with magic and Bird, the competition was ratcheted up.
- [39:15]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [39:16]
Joe Johnson
David Stur, like, oh, and then they get this kid that can fly. No, literally, he could fly. Jordan can literally fly.
- [39:22]
Uncle Ocho
Yes.
- [39:23]
Joe Johnson
And so now he took it to a. He took it to a level that it. The NBA could have only like, lord have mercy. Yeah. We got Bird and Magic and their competition is the great Lakers, Celtics, the most rivalry and the most stored rivalry and maybe at all of sports. But they. What, they couldn't fly. Like, this kid could be charismatic and guess what? Now he got a brand, he got a shoe. And the shoe didn't retire when he did.
- [39:51]
Uncle Ocho
Still going.
- [39:52]
Shannon Sharpe
And he's still going.
- [39:53]
Joe Johnson
Stronger popular now than he was when he played.
- [39:56]
Shannon Sharpe
He said the stand, man.
- [39:58]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, look, that's why, that's why I'm. That's why I'm glad the young guns won't. Because, you know, you get to really see Anthony Edwards personality and who he is, Uncle Ocho, and he'll tell you straight up, I'm always at these boys neck. I'm always trying to beat these boys. And that's the competition. Yeah, that's the competition that we, that we look forward to. Yeah, you can idolize those dudes, but once you get in between those lines, man, go with them boys next. And that's what he do every time he play against the KD's, the bronze, the Stephs. So I can really appreciate that. I think, you know, kudos to Ant for winning mvp. I thought he was amazing tonight. He came out, he set the tone. Like he said when he seen Wimby playing hard, he tapped in. He tapped in. And that's what we wanted to see.
- [40:42]
Joe Johnson
But that's what it takes. Because when you see all the guys taking all. Hey, if you see two or three guys taking half court shots, yo, you know when I get my hands on the ball, I got to get me one too. Now I'm just letting you know. I'm just saying, Ocho. I'm just saying. Yeah, you see a guy try to catch the ball, one hand. Let me show what he missed. They missed theirs. I'm gonna get mine. So I, I got to try it. It's a snowball effect, right? Everybody shooting logo threes. Everybody shooting half court threes right. But this was, this was very entertaining. Kudos to the mish. Kudos for wimby. Hey, striking up the band. The party started. He got it started. Like, I'm gonna make shots. I'm gonna challenge everything. Don't you bring your ass up in here. Throw it out.
- [41:27]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Hey, and that's crazy, bro. Seven five moving like that. I'm talking about anchor. Anchoring a whole defense by yourself. Like he gonna be running the league, guys.
- [41:39]
Joe Johnson
And you gotta worry about him, Joe, because you like, oh man, he can't damn where he come from. Yeah, you like, hey, Joe. Hey, hey, win back there. He guarded somebody with a three. Yeah, I get me a rebound. I'm getting ready to go back. And he done slapped it to the.
- [41:55]
Uncle Ocho
Board and starting to break.
- [41:56]
Joe Johnson
Hey, starting to break with that, man. But this was a very good game.
- [42:05]
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- [44:53]
Uncle Ocho
How you gonna do that?
- [44:54]
Joe Johnson
Though Dan Walker said, I'll continue to say the NBA is thinking about is thinking on tanking is completely wrong. As long as you allocate talent by the draft, you'll never stop tanking. The goal should be fewer teams to tank the shortest amount of time possible. The answer to that is obviously get rid of the lottery and draft by reversed order. The worst teams get the best players improve, move out of the tank phase. But you said, Joe, if you don't mind me asking, how does San Antonio get wimby?
- [45:31]
Shannon Sharpe
I got lucky.
- [45:32]
Joe Johnson
They tanked.
- [45:34]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, they were trained.
- [45:35]
Joe Johnson
They got stuff on Castle. They can't. Duh. The same way. The same way the Houston Rockets got Elijah one. I think it's been going on.
- [45:48]
Shannon Sharpe
So how you, how do you eliminate it?
- [45:49]
Joe Johnson
Is it even going on? This. Is it even possible? Let me ask you a question. How long have you. How do you eliminate sports betting?
- [45:58]
Uncle Ocho
You can't.
- [45:59]
Shannon Sharpe
You can't.
- [46:00]
Joe Johnson
Thank you. Okay, There you go.
- [46:02]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, you can't eliminate, you can't eliminate the tanking phase because, I mean, kind of similar to like, like I was saying about this draft, right? You know, teams will play the players that they have. You know, that don't mean they trying to win. You know what I mean, Uncle Ocho?
- [46:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
- [46:22]
Uncle Ocho
Like, you know, they, they, they Understand what's coming up, bro. They understand how deep this draft is, and everything is magnified nowadays. Yeah. Tank has been going on, but nowadays in 20, 26.
- [46:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [46:33]
Uncle Ocho
Everybody. Everybody got eyes on everything. So we know everything that's going on.
- [46:37]
Joe Johnson
We see the microscope is a little bigger. They tried to do away with tanking. That's why they instituted the lottery. Because the Houston Rockets tanked so bad, they say, the hell with that. We ain't allowing this no more. So they came up with the lottery in 85, and lo and behold, Patrick Ewing somehow ended up at the Knicks even with the lottery.
- [46:57]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [47:01]
Joe Johnson
Shaq goes to Orlando.
- [47:04]
Uncle Ocho
Brian go to Cleveland.
- [47:07]
Joe Johnson
Wow.
- [47:10]
Uncle Ocho
Cooper flag go to Dallas. Yeah.
- [47:14]
Joe Johnson
Come on, Cooper flag. After they made one of the hugest blunders, now Luca's gone. How did they get. How did they get another guy that has the same complexion as Luca to go right back to Dallas?
- [47:27]
Jacob Goldstein
It.
- [47:27]
Shannon Sharpe
It almost. It almost make you think. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but it's funny how everything aligns to work out in their favor.
- [47:36]
Joe Johnson
Yes. I'm.
- [47:37]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm just saying I could be wrong.
- [47:43]
Joe Johnson
But it's. It's. Look. And Dan Walking also said fans of bad teams don't mind tanking. They will support tanking. The issue. Tanking without a payoff, thus multiplying the number of teams trying to tank. Adam Silver has created that problem and made it worse. They need to reverse the curse, reverse course, and stop coming up with stupid ideas to fix what they. That can't be fixed. You're right. It can't not fix anything.
- [48:07]
Uncle Ocho
I think. I think Adam Silver, he's.
- [48:11]
Joe Johnson
He's.
- [48:12]
Uncle Ocho
He's a little ticked off probably about the Washington. The Washington situation.
- [48:17]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [48:17]
Uncle Ocho
With Trey Young and Anthony Davis over there. Not. Not playing no more this season. Obviously. Jaren Jackson, they say he has surgery, so he's gonna be out the rest of the season for the Jazz.
- [48:30]
Joe Johnson
And he probably had. He probably had a. A toenail removed.
- [48:34]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. And what Memphis doing with John, when John coming back? Nobody knows, bro.
- [48:42]
Joe Johnson
But they. But, Joe, when I look at. When I look at these guys, and I'm not saying they're not gonna be good, but I don't look at franchise altering players coming out in the draft.
- [48:51]
Uncle Ocho
In this draft coming out.
- [48:52]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah. I'm talking about franchise altering. I think there's some really good players.
- [48:57]
Uncle Ocho
Right.
- [48:57]
Joe Johnson
But do you see a LeBron? Do you see a Wimby? You see. I don't know, Joe.
- [49:05]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Ocho. I see some guys who can change the trajectory of Just the superstars and megastars in this league. That's just me personally. I think we got some guys who. Now y' all gotta understand, a lot of these dudes, just freshmen, man, they just one year removed from high school. So they still in this little boy body that they have. They ain't feel that like LeBron was when he came out.
- [49:27]
Joe Johnson
Them.
- [49:28]
Uncle Ocho
Them dudes ain't.
- [49:29]
Joe Johnson
They ain't built.
- [49:29]
Uncle Ocho
They not built like that. They don't have that.
- [49:31]
Joe Johnson
Ant man. You see an Ant man in this draft? Ant man was a guy that spent one year in college, University of Georgia, and came in supreme athleticism. Ant man was a football player that decided to say, you know what? Hey, I'm done with football.
- [49:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [49:45]
Joe Johnson
A lot of these guys just cons. I don't like guys that just concentrate on one thing, Joe. What you mean just play basketball year round?
- [49:52]
Uncle Ocho
Are you talking about it?
- [49:54]
Joe Johnson
I like guys that play multitude because each sport helps the sport.
- [49:57]
Uncle Ocho
Right, Right.
- [49:58]
Joe Johnson
Track helps you in. Football, helps you with speed.
- [50:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [50:01]
Joe Johnson
Basketball with your hand. Eye coordination. Football helps with physicality. So it's a mesh.
- [50:06]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, I agree.
- [50:06]
Joe Johnson
And it used to be Ocho man, you couldn't. I. I've never seen a guy that just. All he did was play like one sport. Yeah, everybody played basketball. If you played basketball, you played football, or you played baseball or you ran track, those are the only options.
- [50:21]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [50:21]
Joe Johnson
At a small school like what we had, we didn't have a wrestling team, a golf team, or a soccer team. But you played baseball, football, basketball. And you played two of the four. Yeah, most guys played three of the four.
- [50:32]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Yeah. Most guys played multiple sports coming up. Mostly it was a lot of cats who I played with. They played. They. Even though they played basketball, they grew up playing football. It's just kind of what it was. Some ran track, some did all three. But yeah, I agree with you. Because you, you, you kind of. You more filled out, it seems like when you start, when you play football and you move over to basketball, like them guys play with like a little different edge.
- [50:57]
Joe Johnson
Look, and that maybe has something to do with LeBron. Cause LeBron was a football player until his sophomore year.
- [51:02]
Uncle Ocho
That boy had a nice wide receiver. Yeah.
- [51:06]
Joe Johnson
Hey, Ant man was a football player.
- [51:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Young Bull. Young Bull. I mean, obviously we all saw Cooper Flag play, right?
- [51:13]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [51:14]
Joe Johnson
Yes.
- [51:14]
Shannon Sharpe
So Young Bull less at byu. You don't think he is a. Yeah, you don't.
- [51:19]
Joe Johnson
AJ debonza is.
- [51:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Is Cooper Flag that much more polished than him? We don't think he can go to A team and do the same thing Cooper Flag is doing.
- [51:26]
Uncle Ocho
I do. Ocho, I think he. I think he gonna come into the league okay. Ocho, I think his first year, he.
- [51:31]
Joe Johnson
He.
- [51:32]
Uncle Ocho
I got him averaging at least a dub. He gonna average a dub his first year. If he go to the. If they gonna feature him, right? Like, he gonna go to a team to where he can get featured, to where they play through him. Let him play through his mistakes, let him make mistakes, let him learn from his mistakes. You know what I mean? That's kind of. That's how, like, guys like LeBron, Melo, D. Wade, and them came in. They was able to play through them mistakes.
- [51:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [51:53]
Uncle Ocho
You know, they was ahead of their time, but those guys learned at an early age.
- [51:58]
Joe Johnson
And I think the thing is, Joe, also, is that you go back and look at the guys that you mentioned, they had veteran players, except the D. Wade, because D. Wade, he ended up getting Shaq.
- [52:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [52:07]
Joe Johnson
And then, you know, the Shaq. I think Shaq was there for, like, three years.
- [52:10]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [52:10]
Joe Johnson
But for the most part, you look at LeBron, they had a team, and then all of a sudden it says, you know what? In order for this kid to be what we think he could be, we're gonna have to remove some of these players.
- [52:20]
Uncle Ocho
Right.
- [52:20]
Joe Johnson
Because he's never going to be that. Because they still want to show that they're better than he is. And so he's. And you hear guys. He's competing against guys on his own team because they didn't think he was that good.
- [52:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [52:31]
Uncle Ocho
Right.
- [52:31]
Joe Johnson
So he. They had. They had to remove those guys and say, here, this is really the key. This is the key.
- [52:37]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [52:37]
Joe Johnson
This is the master key. And he took off from there. But you're asking everybody, and everybody just doesn't have the maturity. LeBron James had grown, man. Maturity at 18 years of age. I agree. And you don't have a whole lot of guys like that. And he's. He's followed. I don't know. You know, the man laid in his room at night and to be great. Let me tell you something about greatness, guys. Greatness is boring, man. You know why greatness is boring? Because you do the same thing over and over. It's very mundane. You wake up in the morning if you're a basketball player, and you get your 5,000, you get your thousand shots in.
- [53:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [53:14]
Joe Johnson
And you go through your drills, and you do that over and over and over and over and over. Routine. Tom Brady did the same thing over and over and over again for 23 years. Peyton Manning. Greatness is boring. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant is boring. It's monotonous. Everybody can't handle that. Ant man was talking about it today. He said, man, the one thing I Learned about the U.S. team, he said, they do the same thing. I watched Steph, I watched KD, and I watched LeBron do the same thing over and over and over and over again. He said, that's the one thing that I took away from it. Get a routine and stick with it.
- [53:51]
Uncle Ocho
Yep, yep. He said. He said it this summer, too, when he was training. He said he go to the gym every day. He go home, he say it's boring. But I come here, I come to the gym, I work every day and that.
- [54:02]
Joe Johnson
And you.
- [54:02]
Uncle Ocho
Right. Greatness is boring. That's why I try to.
- [54:05]
Joe Johnson
It's monotonous.
- [54:06]
Uncle Ocho
I try to tell my son, Uncle Ocho, he a freshman in college, bro, I try to tell him, bro, you gotta develop. You gotta have a routine that you stick by. I'm talking about, I don't care how you feel. I don't care. You know, I don't care about none of that. You played good if you played bad, man. You gotta have a routine and you got to stick by it. That's the only way that.
- [54:25]
Joe Johnson
That's.
- [54:25]
Uncle Ocho
That's. That's what the great ones do.
- [54:28]
Joe Johnson
That's it. I remember. And the thing was, like, if it rained now, I couldn't go outside and run. I got me a wood ray treadmill. Go up to 20 miles an hour, incline to 25, 30. Guess what? I'm running it ranged. So you can't stop me, right? You can't stop this. But it's very boring. But, man, you say, man, you boring. You do the same thing over and over. You damn right I do.
- [54:53]
Uncle Ocho
Right? And I'm great at what I do.
- [54:56]
Joe Johnson
Because I want the same level of success that I've been enjoying. Because this, this works.
- [55:01]
Uncle Ocho
Hello.
- [55:02]
Joe Johnson
So you go back and look what LeBron say. I get up, I work out, I come home, eat, I take a nap.
- [55:10]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [55:11]
Joe Johnson
Routine you have to sacrifice. You want to be successful. I want to do X, Y and Z. Okay, well, Q, U, R, S, T is what you're going to be able to. Have to do to give up to get X, Y and Z. It's really that simple.
- [55:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, it's so funny. People think they can take shortcuts. They think they can cut corners to reach that end goal. It just. It's. It's unbelievable. I don't think people understand the discipline. It takes to be successful at anything, not even basketball, just, just in general.
- [55:41]
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- [55:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, Joe. You know, you can't cut no corners and nothing happens overnight. Everybody's looking for instant success. It's there. Anything that you get overnight that's in success, it's going to be short lived. It's temporary.
- [55:54]
Joe Johnson
Correct.
- [55:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Guarantee you, no matter what, no matter what it is, it's temporary.
- [56:00]
Joe Johnson
And so you just have to, you have to keep, you keep working at it. And so I'm saying great. Look, and everybody doesn't want to be great. And that's okay. I don't knock anybody. I want you to be as great as you want to be or as sorry as you want to be. I wish you the best.
- [56:14]
Uncle Ocho
Now, they want to be great.
- [56:17]
Joe Johnson
Have at it.
- [56:18]
Uncle Ocho
They want to be great. They just don't want to put their work in like the great ones do. They want the finished product, but they don't see the stuff in between. They just want to see what's finished. That's why when you see these kids, they watch TV and they emulate what they see on tv. They emulate the finished product. They don't see the thousand, what he.
- [56:37]
Joe Johnson
Did to get to that point. Yeah.
- [56:38]
Uncle Ocho
They don't see the thousand shots this dude putting up every day in practice, working, shoot a thousand free throws to keep it, to keep his free throw percentage at 90%. Like, it's a lot that goes into it.
- [56:50]
Joe Johnson
Everybody, Joe, everybody wants to go to heaven. Nobody wants to die. The Bible teaches that's the only way you can enter the kingdom.
- [56:58]
Uncle Ocho
Right?
- [56:59]
Joe Johnson
Everybody wants greatness, but nobody wants to put the work in or the sacrifice that it takes to get to that greatness.
- [57:04]
Uncle Ocho
Man.
- [57:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, what are you doing when nobody's watching? What are you doing when nobody's watching? And not only that, are you working on the right things that make you special? And the funny thing about it, when it comes to sports on, it's a lot of receivers, right, Joe? It's a lot of basketball players.
- [57:25]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [57:25]
Shannon Sharpe
There has to be something about you. If there's, if there's, there's 32 teams and there's one, one number one on each team, what is it about that, the number one on each team that makes them special and different from everybody else. You need one niche, Uncle Joe. You need one niche that separates you from everybody else, that makes you special.
- [57:46]
Uncle Ocho
Gotta outwork them.
- [57:48]
Joe Johnson
That's it.
- [57:49]
Uncle Ocho
Gotta work on one look, one thing.
- [57:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Everybody can run, everybody can catch. What is it about you that's gonna separate you from everybody else?
- [57:58]
Uncle Ocho
Absolutely. One Thing that's special and what is it, what is it that you're doing when you're not on the field or on the court or at practice? The things that you do outside of that arena, outside of that gym off that field, bro, is going to determine how successful you're going to be once you get on the field of the court. You know what I mean? That's got to be different, bro.
- [58:24]
Joe Johnson
I look at it like when I got to the league, probably like my second year, probably about my third year. So 90, 91, 92. I made my first Pro bowl in 92. I started thinking, oh Joe and Joe, I said, you know what, man, there's some damn high school kid think he gonna get my job. Damn. The guy that's in the league, the high school kid want this job.
- [58:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [58:45]
Joe Johnson
Oh, bro, you can't get this.
- [58:46]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [58:47]
Joe Johnson
I already know your mama and grandma ain't starving like mine.
- [58:50]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
- [58:51]
Joe Johnson
I know your mom and grandma ain't grow up like mine.
- [58:53]
Uncle Ocho
Right.
- [58:53]
Joe Johnson
I know you ain't grow up like me.
- [58:55]
Uncle Ocho
Right.
- [58:55]
Joe Johnson
I already know you ain't gonna put your body through what I put my body through to achieve, to stay here.
- [59:00]
Uncle Ocho
Right.
- [59:00]
Joe Johnson
I already know that.
- [59:02]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Different type of attachment.
- [59:05]
Joe Johnson
The easiest thing I've ever done in my life is play football because God blessed me with that ability and that's what I wanted to do. Now imagine getting up for the next 20 years and doing something you don't want to do. Working in those fields, cropping tobacco, catching chickens, loading watermelons, bailing hay, clipping onions. Now and you're doing that for 250 a day. You're doing that for 15 a week and you're working 12 hours and you're in the hot ass sun and you don't get no health care and if you don't work, you don't eat. Guess what? If I get injured, they still gonna pay me my money during the year.
- [59:44]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [59:46]
Joe Johnson
So football was the easiest thing Shannon Sharp has ever done because I wanted to do it. And God blessed me with that ability. I ain't want to catch no damn chickens. 16, 000 chicken for 16 after I just worked 1212 hours in the hot ass field cropping tobacco, Right? Oh yeah, by the way, I made another $10 doing that.
- [60:06]
Uncle Ocho
Different type of attachment.
- [60:10]
Joe Johnson
And then, and you know what I. Oh, he sold his soul. So what soul? What the son in that hard ass field didn't take, the NFL did.
- [60:22]
Uncle Ocho
Man.
- [60:25]
Joe Johnson
I told Joe Ocho, everybody want to go to heaven. Don't nobody want to die. Everybody wants success.
- [60:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Nobody want to play.
- [60:33]
Joe Johnson
But they want the shortcut, man. Ain't no shortcut to success. The only place you will find success before work is in the dictionary.
- [60:44]
Uncle Ocho
Hello.
- [60:46]
Joe Johnson
I don't know what you look. I don't know what type of. You know, if you look at Webster, Miriam or Thorndike, Barnard, whatever, one of those. Whatever dictionary you choose to use, but that's the only place you're going to find success before work. What would you really.
- [61:02]
Uncle Ocho
Man.
- [61:02]
Joe Johnson
Man, I can't do. Man, I can't do that, man. I don't know how. You eat the same thing every day, huh, boy? Yeah, I don't know. If you ever had to go on a day where you didn't have anything to eat, you'll be gladly to have the same thing that you had yesterday. You ever been so hungry, Ocho, you swallow and your stomach say thank you? Oh, I ain't nothing went down. You just get hungry.
- [61:27]
Shannon Sharpe
God damn you. You were starving like that. I ain't went through that one there, boy.
- [61:36]
Joe Johnson
People say you got lucky. You know what luck is when preparation meets opportunity.
- [61:40]
Uncle Ocho
There you go.
- [61:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Come on, now.
- [61:42]
Joe Johnson
It seemed like the more I prepared, the lucky I got. Man, it's amazing.
- [61:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, it's funny how that work, huh?
- [61:49]
Joe Johnson
You notice that on joke?
- [61:51]
Shannon Sharpe
It's funny how that works.
- [61:54]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [61:58]
Joe Johnson
The one thing I've never been shy about, and my grandma used to always tell my. Tell my brother and I did. She would always say, take all this to make a man. She said, hard work won't break your son. But she knew, helping her pick these peas, doing all that carrying a robot tobacco by myself. I've been working in the field since I was five years old. I didn't know my grand used to give me a dollar to stay out the way. Well, I get. I give him that dollar back because I need to be out there with my cousin. Them working. Didn't know that soon enough I was gonna be in that damn field working, wishing I could be home. But I had to gave that up, Joe because they had to see op will work. I didn't know Ocho at Joe, if that like, you know what? If I did a poor job, they might send me home. But my pride wouldn't let me, right, man, I couldn't let my cousins. I was the youngest by two years. I couldn't let them beat me, right, probably. I carry row by myself that roll 150 yard low. I'm carrying that row by myself. And saying, lugging first, picking second, picket always stripping the stall. I can do it. I' ma carry them big old feed sacks. I want to do. I want to do whatever my brother and big cousins were doing, I wanted to do it, man. I got to the NFL hot. What? It felt like 70 degrees out there to me. Hey, man, but I'm just. And I. I mean, me and my. When my. Me and my brother, we get together, he came out here for. And I told Joe, I don't know if you. Ocho, no. He came out here for Christmas. It was the first time that he and I had spent Christmas together in 38 years. 38. Yeah. 1987 was the last time, because after that, he goes to the league. And, you know, I'm doing my thing. I'm. I'm at Savannah State. I'm at Denver. I'm at Baltimore. I work at NFL. I mean, cbs. I'm working at Fox, and I'm doing my own thing now. So you're like. And we just thinking. And I'm showing around the house. He's like, man, he put his arm on my shoulder. He said, bro. He said, bro, I'm proud of you. He said, you ever think we'd be here? I looked him down, his eyes say, yep. I said, because, Barney, Mayor Porters made sure if they didn't give us anything else, they gave us the ability to work hard and to be disciplined. Right? If you got. If you willing to work hard and you.
- [64:35]
Uncle Ocho
Discipline, take you a long way, you.
- [64:38]
Joe Johnson
Want to go, man, you can go wherever you want to go. And that's what I try to tell my kids. That's what I want my kids, you know? Look, ain't nothing wrong with your kids struggling a little bit. Now, see, we got the mindset. Sometimes we gotta get out the mindset, Ocho, man, I don't want my kid. So you don't want your kids to work hard. So you want to think they could. They could swing their feet.
- [64:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, it got to be a healthy balance to it, Uncle Joe. Yes. It got to be a healthy balance to it. Healthy balance to it. I'm not listening. I'm gonna lead you to the water. I'm gonna do that part. I'm not gonna help you drink.
- [65:15]
Uncle Ocho
Right?
- [65:16]
Shannon Sharpe
You have to. You're gonna have to learn something, because when I'm no longer here, ain't nobody gonna give you nothing.
- [65:22]
Joe Johnson
Nothing.
- [65:22]
Uncle Ocho
Hear me?
- [65:23]
Shannon Sharpe
At all. Nothing, Nathaniel. And most of the time, parents that continue to give their kids everything, where they have no drive or they have no inspiration, where they have no motivation to do anything, you Know, once that water's cut off, you got to be able to survive for yourself, man.
- [65:39]
Joe Johnson
Yes.
- [65:39]
Shannon Sharpe
You got to be able to, you know, defend for yourself. So, I mean, I. I do enough now. If. If you're in dire need and it's emergency, I got you. I understand that. I understand that situation.
- [65:51]
Joe Johnson
I was last choice, not first option.
- [65:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, come on.
- [65:54]
Uncle Ocho
There you go. There you go.
- [65:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Let me write that down.
- [65:57]
Joe Johnson
I'm last choice, not first option because you. My kids had it good. Cause guess what? They got a free education. They got a car paid for. They had no debt coming out. None. And you. I said, choose whatever you want to do. I'm going to support you. 1000. I don't want you to worry about. And I gave money monthly. Now, my oldest daughters, I don't know how she would be overdrawn. She get the money at noon, right. One o', clock, she overdrawn. $30. I don't know how, but she was overdrawn. But that day, she's gotten a lot better now. But. But I was like, hold on. I'm like, because. And this is what I told him. I said, look, if something. Something happens to me, and I. I pray I leave before you guys do. Ain't nobody gonna give to you like.
- [66:52]
Uncle Ocho
Your daddy does, man.
- [66:55]
Joe Johnson
Now, and what I leave you, if you're not careful, you'll spend it all. And people be looking at you a damn fool, like your daddy left you. All of that. And what y' all got to show for it.
- [67:03]
Shannon Sharpe
I think that's the hard part right there, too, Uncle Joe.
- [67:06]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [67:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I can't. I. I can't. I can't get my kids to have my mindset. I can't. Kidding. To. To think the way I think when it comes to. To, you know, being financially savvy. They. They not.
- [67:19]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, because they didn't. They didn't. Okay, Ocho. They didn't grow up how you grew up.
- [67:25]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Yeah. They.
- [67:26]
Uncle Ocho
They didn't go through the things that. That we had to endure, you know, as kids, things that we had to go through.
- [67:32]
Joe Johnson
We.
- [67:32]
Uncle Ocho
We struggled, made it, and we created this environment for our kids.
- [67:38]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [67:39]
Uncle Ocho
So they didn't have to struggle. Yeah. You know what I mean?
- [67:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [67:42]
Uncle Ocho
That's the hardest part.
- [67:43]
Joe Johnson
Like.
- [67:44]
Uncle Ocho
Like y' all said, man. That's the hardest part, bro. Having a healthy balance into what to give them and what not to give.
- [67:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Not to. Yeah, I. I say. I say. I say no plenty of times, if I can just. If there's one thing I would love for my kids to understand from my oldest, even to goddamn French fry. Every time we go into Target, you ain't got to get a goddamn toy. Every time we pass a restaurant, we don't have to stop and get you something to eat. Okay, yes, we do. But I'm just saying stuff like that. I wish my kids will understand the value of a dollar, man. They don't like my grandma. Don't tell me money don't grow on trees. Hey, listen, it's. It's coming in, it's coming in. But every time something come in don't mean we got to be spending it, man.
- [68:24]
Uncle Ocho
Listen, Ocho, that first. That first semester, my son calling me down there every week asking for some money. I'm like, look, bro, you better go get you some bread, some sandwich meat, and you better try to learn to make you some sandwiches or something up in there, nigga. Yeah. Hey, I mean, my bad, dude.
- [68:40]
Joe Johnson
You need learn to make you some.
- [68:41]
Uncle Ocho
Sandwiches up in there. Cause let me tell you something. If you think you finna be hitting me every time you get low, boy, you got a good thing coming, man.
- [68:49]
Shannon Sharpe
You ain't got nothing.
- [68:50]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, when I was in college, I had some bread, some sandwich meat, and I had that little grill you put on, you smash it down and make you two sandwiches, man, listen, you better go get you something and stop playing.
- [69:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, this one. This one here. This one here, my son. My son freshman in high school. He go to North. He just. Just came on camera real quick. Birthday came up. You know, I say. I say, boy, what you want? What you want for your birthday? Man, I want a shopping spree. But what the hell is a shopping spree?
- [69:19]
LifeLock Advertiser
What?
- [69:21]
Shannon Sharpe
A shopping spree. So I call his mom. I say, man, listen, Savie said he want to go on a shopping spree. What you think I should give him for his birthday? Well, you know what? I think you should give him sixteen hundred dollars. Sixteen hundred dollars? That's it. Okay, well, bet I gave him two thousand. I gave him a little bit extra.
- [69:38]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [69:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, boy, about a week went by.
- [69:41]
Uncle Ocho
Burn rubber through that day.
- [69:42]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Pops. Hey, you said you were gonna give me an extra thousand, wasn't you? I see it's been six days with.
- [69:49]
Joe Johnson
Your money.
- [69:53]
Shannon Sharpe
A gone, and you know, you know how they are in high school. Fashion. Got to be fly, you know, you got to be. You know, I'm like, come. Come on, dog.
- [70:01]
Joe Johnson
You know what got me, guys, was that. And I don't know if you guys experienced this, because I sacrificed spending time when I was young. I was trying to buy back time. I was trying to buy back time. And so every time they are from life size, from life size Barbie to scooters, to this and to that.
- [70:20]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [70:20]
Joe Johnson
And then I think her like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I can't buy back time.
- [70:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes sir.
- [70:27]
Joe Johnson
I'm your dad, I ain't a bank. Let's, let's work this thing out here.
- [70:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes sir.
- [70:35]
Joe Johnson
That'S what I had to do. Oo, cuz anytime when it their mom wouldn't give it to them, they called me. Got it. They got it.
- [70:44]
Uncle Ocho
Well, she telling them to call you, call your dad. Y' all know how this go, man, stop playing.
- [70:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
- [70:53]
Joe Johnson
But, but like I said, the thing is that look, I work. So you guys, I say I've got everything I want. I've said God has been, God has been too great to me.
- [71:02]
Uncle Ocho
Yes sir.
- [71:03]
Joe Johnson
I wanted Ferrari, wanted Rolex, I got all that, man. I say but I said but guys. I say now, but come on now. Understand? Like I said, I hope I go before they go. But I say if whatever I leave you guys, if y' all not careful, it's gonna be gone. Because the thing is, is that I make money, I have money saved and I got money coming in. So I don't. I say but at the way y' all blow through money with none coming in to match this. Because I already know what y' all gonna go get.
- [71:34]
Shannon Sharpe
What they gonna do.
- [71:35]
Joe Johnson
Y' all go get some fancy ass cars, multiple cars. I know what you're gonna get. I already know. I know you.
- [71:44]
Uncle Ocho
It gonna be in some trouble, boy.
- [71:46]
Joe Johnson
Yes, yes, yes, yes. I said, but y' all gotta, hey, you gotta be smart. I said if you think you can come into a large sum of money with the spending habits that you guys have and it's gonna stay, you sadly mistaken.
- [72:02]
Shannon Sharpe
No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. If you don't have financial discipline, just for example, obviously I know we all have bills, we all have overhead every month. But if you don't have the financial discipline with a hundred dollars, you ain't gonna have it with a thousand. If you ain't got it with a thousand, you ain't gonna have. With a hundred thousand, you ain't got. With a hundred thousand, you ain't gonna have it with a million. It doesn't, it, it always starts small. It starts small and you work your way up. It just. And it, it so many of us, a very, very large percent of us burn through it so easily. Burn through it so easy. And most of the people say oh, don't worry about it. Spin. Anyway, we gonna get it back. We gonna make it back. Every play. Every play. Unc ain't gonna always hit.
- [72:45]
Joe Johnson
Nope.
- [72:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Every play or every move. Whatever you do have you getting, it ain't gonna always hit. Which is why it's so many people I can think of during my time that had money and it's going now because you always thought it was gonna always hit.
- [73:01]
Joe Johnson
I mean, at some point in time, Ocho, like I had. I mean, I had cars. I mean, I had so many cars, Ocho. I gotta drive. I gotta drive cars down the hill. I'm laying in my bed one night.
- [73:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [73:17]
Joe Johnson
And I'm thinking to myself, I got to be. Well, first it started and I was at my grandmother's house. I'm staying with my grandmother.
- [73:24]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [73:25]
Joe Johnson
I'm in the back room with my grandmother.
- [73:27]
Uncle Ocho
Huh.
- [73:27]
Joe Johnson
I got a Ferrari 600 Benz.
- [73:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [73:31]
Joe Johnson
And a Parked out in the driveway. And I'm sleeping in the room in my grandma house. I ain't even got my own house.
- [73:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. You did that too?
- [73:40]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [73:41]
Shannon Sharpe
I stayed with grandma in the city in my first three years in the league.
- [73:45]
Joe Johnson
And I'm thinking to myself, then I went to freaknik, you know, I went to freak Nick a couple of times.
- [73:52]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [73:52]
Joe Johnson
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Me and my brother, we go to freaknik.
- [73:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [73:58]
Joe Johnson
I called my agent. I said, hey, man, I'm moving to Atlanta. He said, I thought you won the place in Savannah. I don't know, Mo. I'm moving to Atlanta. Find me somebody. Find me somebody can sell me a house. But. And so now I'm in Atlanta. I got this house, Joe. I'm laying the bed. I got a Ferrari 512, Tusta roaster. I got a 110 Bentleys. Azure mother top, drop top. I got 600 Bens.
- [74:27]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [74:27]
Joe Johnson
I got a Range Rover. I got a. I got a Yukon. Denali.
- [74:32]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [74:32]
Joe Johnson
God damn Rolls Royce.
- [74:34]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [74:35]
Joe Johnson
I was like. And I'm like, I bet, you know. You know what I'm saying? I walk. Hey, I. I let the garage up, guys. I got my hand in my pocket. I say, man, what I need a million and a half. Two million dollars worth of cars. A million dollars. Get this.
- [74:56]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, you know. Hey, you know what's funny? We all done been there. We didn't all, Joe. I'm not sure if you've done it.
- [75:02]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [75:03]
Shannon Sharpe
During my younger days, too. Those that I grew up with, I. I never forget the stories. I always wanted a Chevy growing up, Joe.
- [75:10]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [75:11]
Shannon Sharpe
I always wanted a. Don't as we call it down here, Miami. I always wanted a don't. My grandma, but, you know, she's a church lady. She's not having that, right? She's not having that. She's not. You ain't finna be like them dudes out there running the street and driving them fast cars, making all that noise coming down my goddamn block. Ain't happening. First time I got some money on. First time I made it to the league. What you think I went and got me. I went and got me a donk. I never forget my dog Chevy.
- [75:39]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
- [75:39]
Shannon Sharpe
Don't Chevy. My homeboy down here in Miami, his name is Van Dyke. He sold me my first don't drop after I got one Uncle Joe.
- [75:48]
Joe Johnson
Now you end up getting five.
- [75:52]
Shannon Sharpe
So if I'm driving the home, I need my homeboys to be able to have something to drive, too. I had seven Chevys. As great as I am when it comes to being responsible with money, I have seven.
- [76:03]
Joe Johnson
We all go through it, Ocho.
- [76:05]
Shannon Sharpe
When I move, I need everybody else to be able to move with me, too. Man. Listen, man, I did that. I did it. This is.
- [76:13]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [76:14]
Shannon Sharpe
This is the thing I like about the people I surrounded myself with growing up where I'm from, is they understood when it was time to. To. To. To pull the reins back. It wasn't no pushback, right? It wasn't no. Oh, man, he acting funny. That everybody understood. They understood, you know, okay. He done enough. He didn't showed enough love. I didn't gave back to my area, knows who. Who I grew up with to make sure they could experience the Pro Bowls. They can experience all the. The events I used to have to go to, the red carpets and all that. So they understood. When I got about year five in the league, I pulled back them reigns and started doing all that cheap. And ever since then, from like 2005 on, I've been the same way the whole time.
- [76:56]
Joe Johnson
Yo, I got.
- [76:56]
Uncle Ocho
Hey.
- [76:57]
Joe Johnson
Oh, yo, Joe. Ocho. I go home for a cookout.
- [76:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [76:59]
Joe Johnson
I shipped the Bentley.
- [77:01]
Uncle Ocho
Oh, yeah.
- [77:02]
Joe Johnson
I put it on the back of a truck. Yeah, Take that down. I need people to see this. Yeah.
- [77:05]
Shannon Sharpe
For real.
- [77:06]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I get. I get to the house. I get to the house one day after I done shipped everything down, I'm walking in the house, my sister say, chateau. She called me. They called me Chateau. She called me Chateau. She called me Chance that day. She called me Chateau. She's like, chateau. Winner's enough, Enough. And I'm looking. I'm like, what you talking about? She likes Shannon now. She don't change. So when she called me Shannon, okay, now I know she's real. You really need all those cars. I said, I know. She's like, Shannon, everybody know you got it right? That's it. That's all she said. Because the one thing about my brother.
- [77:58]
Uncle Ocho
And sister, they gonna.
- [77:59]
Joe Johnson
They're gonna shoot me straight, right? I'm like I said.
- [78:01]
Uncle Ocho
And I looked.
- [78:02]
Joe Johnson
I don't look at them like my sister, brother in law. My brother and sister's more like my mom and dad because they did everything for me. They taught me how to tie a shoe, they taught me how to bathe myself, taught me how to tell time and things like that. So they're more like. And so I listen to them. I've never, you know, I don't raise my voice to them. I don't get mad and go back and forth with them. They say something, I listen. Even though I might get upset, I don't change words with them. I got rid of all that stuff. Now I got a Range Rover. Joe Ocho and Joe. I got a Range Rover. I got that range rover in 20. It's a 2013. I got in October 2012. So what? That is about 14 years. Yeah, I got about 39000 miles on it. I got a BMW that I got seven years. It just turned 105 on it. I don't go nowhere. I don't drive. So why I need all these cars?
- [78:54]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [78:54]
Joe Johnson
I don't. God gave me every car. I want a Ferrari. I wanted a Ferrari. I wanted a Rolls Royce and I wanted a Mercedes. Yeah, he done gave me that tenfold. So now cars, don't they. As my granny just say, they don't raz my bearing like they once did.
- [79:09]
Uncle Ocho
Right? Right.
- [79:10]
Joe Johnson
So I'm cool.
- [79:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, I. I wonder. Hey, you know, you know how it is, Joe and uncle. You work that hard and as a kid you dream of having certain stuff and, and you, and. And you reach and you get it and it feel real good for a little bit. But you know, after a while I had all them calls Unc. Man, it just like. It got to a point where I understood. I outgrew it in the sense, but I outgrew it so early. I wasn't even in my prime yet. Yeah, my prime yet. And in that light bulb, it clicked. Well, why the hell I'm driving a Ferrari? Why I got a Lambo? Why I got this big. Remember that big ass diesel truck I bought on that big. That. Yeah, that real Big semi truck. Yeah, Joy had a big semi.
- [79:57]
Uncle Ocho
I had one of them, too, Ocho. Like, six doors on it.
- [80:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, the International.
- [80:01]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had one.
- [80:04]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm like, what the hell am I doing? Because I had gotten myself to a point where what my name was more valuable than anything I got purchased. Whatever it is I was driving, I ain't really needed, because whoever see me, they already knew who it was. I was the value, Right? It got to a point where I understood, well, God damn, I'm tripping because it's me, so I don't really need it no more. And once that light bulb hit, man, it was perfect. It was perfect. And I'm like, why? I'm trying to press these women, and all they got to do, they can Google how much I'm making. So ain't no need to really be driving no Ferrari or no Lambo no more. Because, Ocho, what's the point?
- [80:47]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, you.
- [80:47]
Uncle Ocho
You. Hey, you burn out. You burn out after a while, guys, you know, we. We all probably come from a little or nothing. And then once you get.
- [80:55]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I had less than that. Hey, hey.
- [81:01]
Uncle Ocho
And once you get a chance to really splurge on yourself, man, listen, I had a time, bro. I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm still.
- [81:07]
Joe Johnson
Oh, you owe.
- [81:08]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [81:09]
Joe Johnson
Ocho. When I. When we first started, Joe, I told Ocho, my grandma said, boy, good times, they gonna know you nothing they don't. Good times, they gonna know. O' Shea sharp.
- [81:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [81:18]
Joe Johnson
Y' all talking about. He ain't done nothing. He ain't been nowhere. I've been every place I wanted to be.
- [81:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
- [81:24]
Joe Johnson
I've done everything I've wanted to do. I promise you. Yeah, yeah, man, look here. I've been blessed. Beyond blessed, but, hey, but you have to go through that and, you know, and. And sometimes I like that, you know, when is enough enough?
- [81:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [81:45]
Joe Johnson
What's enough? Because when it came to success, it was never enough. Ocho. I'll go to the Super Bowl. I'm a first team All Pro. I made the Pro Bowl. That wasn't enough.
- [81:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [81:56]
Joe Johnson
I got a thousand yards, a thousand yard let all tight end catches, yards, touchdown. First team all. Probably Pro bowl and Super Bowl. I need something else.
- [82:06]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah. Yeah.
- [82:09]
Joe Johnson
I mean, I'm being for real. Yeah. I'm trying. I'm everything else. I mean, I was. I was greedy. I was selfish about that because. And then I. And I just. You know, I wanted my kids to see just how hard their daddy worked so they could appreciate it, you can say, hey, you know, I wish my daddy would. And. And they would be. They would have valid. All of them would have valid, valid arguments. But the one thing they will not be, all my kids will tell you, they still. Daddy, you still discipline and you still just work just as hard. Is when you was in your 20s.
- [82:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
- [82:48]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [82:50]
Joe Johnson
And I'm damn near. I'm heading. Headed. Headed towards 60.
- [82:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Damn.
- [82:56]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Yeah. After you. After you get to a certain point, Ocho.
- [83:01]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
- [83:02]
Joe Johnson
You realize the only thing left to do is to get old. Don't let nobody tell you otherwise.
- [83:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [83:08]
Joe Johnson
After you reached a certain point of your life, you've gone everywhere you wanted to go. You've done everything you wanted to do, and you had some of the most gorgeous and beautiful women in the world. Now it's time to just sit back and say, you know what? Okay, Lord, I'll take every week. I'll take every month that you give me.
- [83:27]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [83:28]
Shannon Sharpe
And you got me thinking. I like that. I like how you say that.
- [83:31]
Uncle Ocho
What you got. You think, Ojo.
- [83:33]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, everything the way he put it. I mean, he put everything into perspective. Now.
- [83:37]
Joe Johnson
We.
- [83:37]
Shannon Sharpe
We done did it all. We have been all over the world. We didn't. Had some of the best.
- [83:42]
Joe Johnson
And since they say you only live once, Joe. Ocho.
- [83:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. Praise God.
- [83:46]
Joe Johnson
Do it right.
- [83:47]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey.
- [83:48]
Joe Johnson
And once is enough. Hey.
- [83:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [83:49]
Joe Johnson
I want to live this life again. I don't need to live like this the way I live. Joe, don't. Joe.
- [83:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, come on now.
- [83:55]
Joe Johnson
I think I want to live like this again.
- [83:56]
Shannon Sharpe
Take your time.
- [83:57]
Joe Johnson
Oh, no. More than enough.
- [84:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
- [84:02]
Uncle Ocho
But, hey, it's one thing y' all ain't done, though.
- [84:05]
Shannon Sharpe
What's that? What's that, Joe?
- [84:06]
Uncle Ocho
Y' all ain't jumped the broom.
- [84:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, we finna have a double wedding, Joe.
- [84:10]
Joe Johnson
It's coming, Joe. It's coming. Okay.
- [84:12]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm gonna get married. I'm gonna get married, Joe.
- [84:17]
Joe Johnson
Coming, Joe.
- [84:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I'm gonna get married, Joe. I know my baby watching, too. Hey, Fluffy. Yeah, Joe.
- [84:22]
Joe Johnson
What? Hey, Joe. We gonna triple this thing up. I'm sure we get a good. Hey, we could do a triple win get.
- [84:28]
Uncle Ocho
We get a good deal.
- [84:30]
Joe Johnson
Good, good deal. A free for one. What?
- [84:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Can you imagine that? That's a joke. Hey, Unc, that's never been done before. Three weddings in one. All in one.
- [84:42]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, Joe, if we stream that thing live.
- [84:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, hey, boy.
- [84:46]
Uncle Ocho
Hey, hey, hey. Y' all still trying to make it sound real sweet.
- [84:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, I'm telling you, I'm in charge. I'm in charge of the part, the reception, the entertainment.
- [84:59]
Joe Johnson
Oh, Lord have mercy.
- [85:00]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm in charge of the entertainment. I already got you. Y' all could take care of the food in the guest list.
- [85:07]
Joe Johnson
No damn food, huh? That's the thing that I care the least about.
- [85:12]
Shannon Sharpe
You don't care about the food?
- [85:13]
Joe Johnson
No.
- [85:14]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, you know, people will talk about you. You got the right kind of food at your reception, man.
- [85:18]
Joe Johnson
First of all, I guarantee you won't nobody be there for the shark party that's gonna talk about sharing the shop. I promise you that.
- [85:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Okay. What about open bar? We gonna have open bar?
- [85:29]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. You have open bar?
- [85:30]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah, we're gonna.
- [85:31]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, hey. I can't wait to get some of that 1948, boy.
- [85:35]
Joe Johnson
Huh? You mean 1942, but close enough. You six years off that.
- [85:39]
Shannon Sharpe
That one. That one right there. That one right there. Hey, hey, Desperado.
- [85:45]
Uncle Ocho
No, hey, hey. No, no, no. We're gonna have cater the wedding with that Laportier.
- [85:50]
Joe Johnson
Oh, yeah, yeah. Too.
- [85:52]
Shannon Sharpe
But we got to have. We got to have a variety of things that everyone likes to enjoy. A little bit of Julio. A little bit of Julio. Don.
- [85:59]
Uncle Ocho
Yeah.
- [86:00]
Joe Johnson
Desperado.
- [86:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Desper.
- [86:03]
Joe Johnson
Reposado. Not desperado.
- [86:05]
Shannon Sharpe
That's what I said. I said. I said resposado, but yeah.
- [86:09]
Joe Johnson
Okay. Close enough.
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Shannon Sharpe
Honestly. Honestly.
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