Nightcap Hour 1: Nightcap Hour 1: Miami STUNS Ohio State in CFP Quarterfinal + Cowboys RELEASE Trevon Diggs BUT LANDS in Green Bay + Anthony Edwards FRUSTRATED with TWolves

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1 (Jan 1, 2026)

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This episode of Club Shay Shay’s Nightcap Hour 1 dives into a dramatic slate of recent sports headlines: the Miami Hurricanes’ shocking defeat of Ohio State in the College Football Playoff quarterfinals, the Dallas Cowboys’ sudden release of star cornerback Trevon Diggs (who landed with Green Bay), and Anthony Edwards’s frustration with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Host Chad Johnson (“Ocho Cinco”) and fellow co-hosts (including Joe “Iso Joe” Johnson) blend expert analysis, storytelling, banter, and candid takes on the sports world.

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Miami Hurricanes Stun Ohio State: CFP Quarterfinal Recap

[03:55–11:13] Miami’s Defensive Dominance and Historic Upset

• Game Summary: Miami upsets #2 Ohio State, 24-14, knocking out the defending champs. Miami advances to the VRBO Fiesta Bowl, awaiting Ole Miss or Georgia (05:55).
• Key Players: Miami’s QB Carson Beck (19/26, 138 yds, 1 TD); RB Mark Fletcher (19 carries, 90 yards); and a defensive front led by JT Jason Taylor and edge rusher Ruben Bane Jr. (07:40).
  • “Carson Beck was really good tonight. He didn't turn the ball over ... on that crucial third down ... he lowered his head, got the first down ... they win by 24-14.” — Chad Johnson [04:40]
  • “This is what the Canes are built on. And tonight they look like the Canes of old ... that defense came to play and played lights out football.” — Chad Johnson [07:41]
• Defensive Dominance: Miami’s defense held Ohio State to 45 rushing yards, notching five sacks for –42 yards. The D-line’s relentless pass rush and run-stopping were compared to classic Miami teams of the ’80s–’90s (07:41–09:29).

[08:25–11:13] Inside the Upset: Trench Warfare and Playoff Pressure

• Ocho Cinco highlights how elite matchups are “won up front,” crediting Miami’s D-line for setting the tone (08:25).
• Joe Johnson adds: “This is what makes college football so exciting because it’s just one game, man. I just got to be better than you one game, and I thought Miami came out and controlled it from start to finish.” [10:49]
• Love for Ohio State’s Jeremiah Smith, who despite the loss, “was out there moving.” [11:10]
• Discussion pivots to Miami recruiting and legacy receivers, and why top local recruits sometimes look out-of-state (14:45–17:33).
• Memorable Segment: Miami’s defensive linemen (Lightfoot, Ruben Bane Jr., Akeem Mezador) get shoutouts for their “old school” Hurricanes play style (10:03).

[21:32–23:29] Who’s Next? Lookahead to Ole Miss–Georgia and CFP futures

• Chad and Ocho assess Georgia vs. Ole Miss and playoff implications. Both teams “have gotten better,” and the keys will again be defense and mistake avoidance (21:32–22:15).
• “Everything in Georgia is predicated on defense ... I'm going to stop your run and then hunt your quarterback.” — Chad Johnson [22:15]
• Importance of discipline and composure emphasized: “Who can manage the emotions, who can take care of the football?” [22:24]

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NFL Shock: Cowboys Release Trevon Diggs, Packers Scoop Him Up

[27:41–35:57] Cowboys’ Decision and the Player–Coach Dynamic

• News Break: Dallas releases CB Trevon Diggs; he lands with the Packers.
  • Team cited multiple factors, not just his choosing to stay behind after a game; performance, commitment, and rule infractions contributed ([27:41], [29:10]).
  • “I like to give context: Terrell Davis led the league in rushing … 3x All-Pro … had a Sesame Street appearance. Coach said, ‘No, you're getting on the plane.’ … We came as a team, we're leaving as a team.” — Chad Johnson [29:27]
• Chad explains the “production vs. tolerance” principle: “They were tolerating behavior when they were winning that they couldn’t stomach when they were losing.” [30:16]
• Ocho reflects, “I like a healthy Trayvon Diggs because 95% of DBs play not to get beat and only 5% play to make a play. And Trayvon Diggs is in that 5%.” [33:49]

[35:57–44:36] Player Transitions, NFL Culture, and Career Lessons

• Discussion highlights how NFL culture and coaching expectations shape team decisions.
  • Joe: “Grass ain't always greener,” responds to Ocho’s optimism about Diggs’s fresh start in Green Bay [39:10]
  • Chad: “When production is up here, tolerance is up here. Tolerance will never outweigh production. I don't care who you are.” [37:14]
• They dive into locker room dynamics, leadership, and the hard realities for aging or injured players.
  • Ocho: “If you're not the big dog, you have to learn to play the game.” [46:26]
  • “It's a real fine line between confidence and delusion.… How do we handle that?” — Chad Johnson [48:42]

[49:46–51:49] Notable Quotes on Authenticity and Life Lessons

• Chad: “Samuel Johnson had a quote... every man will try to possess characteristics he don't have, basically in the hopes of coming for something he's not — to gain fame and applause for which he cannot keep.” [49:46 & 50:13]
  • Ocho: “That’s why I love just being myself, Joe. You know, I ain't never changed.” [50:27]
• Segment closes with reflections on playing for love of the game, organizational discipline, and stories about being fined for celebrations or uniform violations.

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NBA: Anthony Edwards' Frustration with Timberwolves

[61:56–66:29] Timberwolves Slump and Ant Man’s Reaction

• Anthony Edwards leaves the bench late in a blowout loss to the Hawks (126–102). Coach Finch: “Obviously frustrated … but he needs to stay on the floor and root for his team.” [61:56]
• Joe Johnson analyzes the mindset: “He was ballin’… but nobody else was giving him anything. Plus, the Hawks were hitting on all cylinders.” [63:02, 63:54]
• Ant’s homecoming in Atlanta: pressure to perform for family/friends amplifies the frustration.
• Discussion on Atlanta’s Jalen Johnson’s breakout, “He’s the prototypical forward in today’s game… no weakness … averaged a triple-double this whole month.” — Joe Johnson [64:36]
• Players empathize, reflecting on personal experiences with home crowds and team letdowns.
  • “If you was playing and … you got your whole family and friends out, getting blew out… I totally cut up on the Falcons.” — Chad Johnson [65:28]
• Consensus: While Ant’s emotion is understandable, sticking with the team is expected. Joe: “I can also understand how Ant man feel too.” [71:54]

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Side Topics & Notable Banter

Anecdotes on Fines, Celebrations, and Authenticity

• Ocho’s infamous “dollar to the referee” celebration, $30k fine: “It was a catch ... just jokingly trying to bribe the ref. ... The NFL fined me about 30,000 the next morning.” [53:54]
• Ocho and Chad banter about fashion fines for long towels, colored socks, and “if you look good, you play good” philosophy (55:15–56:34).

Life/Relationship Wisdom with Ocho and Chad

• Playful discussion about relationships, money, and finding the right people in life and sports (“You need you a nice foundation. Something you could build on.” — Ocho [70:20]).

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Conclusion & Key Takeaways

• CFP implications: Miami’s physical defense and fearless approach signal a program resurgence; they await the winner of an evenly matched Georgia vs. Ole Miss tilt.
• NFL business: Cowboys’ Diggs release is a high-profile example of how NFL culture, player production, and off-field factors intersect; Diggs gets a second chance with a playoff-bound Packers squad.
• NBA realities: Anthony Edwards embodies both star frustration and the expectation of leadership — passion is vital but so is being with your team in defeat.
• Enduring themes: Authenticity and learning to “play the game within the game” matter, both in sports and life.

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Most Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Carson Beck was really good tonight. He didn’t turn the ball over … they win by 24-14.” — Chad Johnson [04:40]
• “They were tolerating behavior when they were winning that they couldn’t stomach when they were losing.” — Chad Johnson [30:16]
• “It's a real fine line between confidence and delusion.” — Chad Johnson [48:42]
• “That’s why I love just being myself, Joe. You know, I ain't never changed.” — Ocho Cinco [50:27]
• “You need you a nice foundation. Something you could build on.” — Ocho Cinco [70:20]

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[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Thank you guys for joining us. Thank you for spending your New Year's Eve with us. At least for the meantime. We cannot thank you enough. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite uncle, My partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bingo's ring of fame honoree. A former Pro Bowler and an All Pro, he's Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the Big three. Joining us tonight from the ATL University of Arkansas alum Little Rock, Arkansas native. Seven time NBA all star for the Atlanta Hawks areas ISO Joe. ISO Joe Johnson. Thanks for joining us Joe. How you doing tonight?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mike check one two, one two. God damn Mike won't plug in. My bad fellas.

[Chad Johnson]

Ed McMahon that big ass Mike. Thank you guys for joining us again as you watch the you University of Miami take down the number two Ohio State and the defending champ Ohio State Buckeyes by the score of 24 to 14oo. I guess that's why you paid that money because Carson Banks was really good tonight. He didn't turn the ball over. He didn't put the ball in harm's way. And on that crucial third down he lo. He did something in the fourth quarter that he didn't do in the second quarter to keep a drive alive. He slid. This time he Lowered his head, got the first down, kept the drive alive and they ended up going down and score. And they win by the score of 24 to 14. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed if you already have it. Wherever you get your podcast from, we can't thank you enough for your support and your continued support. We look forward to seeing you in 2026 like we did in 23, 24 and 25. Again, thank you everyone for your support. Make sure you check out my Cognac shade by La Portier. We have it in the OG bottle, which is the 750. We also have it in the 375, which is the junior bottle, but it's still the great same quality, great taste, very smooth going down. Y' all know I'm on that right now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I see you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

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[Chad Johnson]

Drink from the ball. I ain't no telling. My eyelids might drop on my eyeballs. That's the only thing that's gonna be dropping. Give me. Give me another. Give me another 20 minutes. Old choice, Joe. I will be gone drinking more liquor and peeing foam. Ah, that's all good for you. So make sure you head over to laportier.com if you cannot find Laportier in a state or city near you. It is a premium VSOP Cognac. The smoothest, best tasting VSOP cognac on the market. Try it compared against others and you'll see we have the best tasting cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Hey, be smart tonight. Take Uber. Don't have anything to prove. Take your Uber. Hey, have as much fun as you want to have bringing in a new year. But make sure you're safe. Make sure you protect yourself and others. Go follow my media company page on all of its platform that Shay Shay Media and my clothing company. 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. The Canes did what many didn't think they could do. They won. The 10 City Canes have upset the defending national champs. Miami is headed to the VRBO Fiesta bowl with will it await the win of the Ole Miss and Georgia Carson Beck was 19 or 26. 138. One touchdown. Mark Fletcher ran the ball extremely hard tonight. 19 carries, 90 yards. They ran the ball 37 times for a buck 53. They got off to the great start. Their defense was outstanding. Bang is the real deal. A JT Jason Taylor has done an outstanding job with that defensive line. Ocho they were getting after saying they were on his. You know what.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And they shut down the run 25 carries. I mean excuse me, 24 carries, 45 yards, 45. They had. They had what, five sacks for minus 42 yards. They did a number attacking the quarterback once they realized they could not run the ball against that four. And that's what Miami Hurricanes, that's what they're known for, a defensive front. You go back and look at the Jerome Browns and the Danny Stubbs and the McDougalls and the Warren Saps. This is what the Canes are built on. And tonight they look like the Canes of old. The offense didn't have to do a whole lot. They wasn't extravagant. Ocho throwing the ball for 300 yards. They didn't have 150 yard rusher but they. Hey, they played great behind that running game. And that defense came to play today and they played lights out football.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, a game like today, uncle and Joe, games like this, when teams are of equal value, of equal skill, of equal. Of equal quality. Those type of games are one up front.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's one down. It's one down there in the trenches and they set the tone. Not only did the Miami Hurricane score offensively, hit Fletch out in the flat, right. You talk about studying film with brother with. Hey, hey. A smoke route, Joe. I haven't seen DB smoke route. Great understanding and what's coming and hold on un he. He don't go to the man with a man. He go where the ball is going to be in order for the ball to get to the man Y it goes right in the goddamn pass lane and take it to the house for six. Once. Once they was up 14 zip and I saw that defensive line and bang with them boys was making goddamn saying uncomfortable and him not being able to sit back there and. And. And make plays and, and dissect and be surgical with that ball. I knew it was going to be a long night for Ohio State. Ohio State. What was Ohio State? They was favored to win the game. What about three?

[Chad Johnson]

I think about a touchdown. Eight? Maybe eight? Yeah, I think so. Wasn't favorable about like eight and a half.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. By the time, Joe. By the time it got to the end of the second quarter.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know what the. I don't know what the odds were in Vegas, but I know they had to flip and they had to change. They had to. The way that, the way it looked, they dominated the whole game. Not only. Not only the whole game, but up front. Boy, that goddamn D line they got after. If you can't. If you can't run the ball against that front foe, it's a rap.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's a rap.

[Chad Johnson]

Lightfoot, Ruben Bane, Jr. Akeem Mezador, Ocho. I. I don't know. I told him, I said running backs, if you stand flat footed and catch it up line blessing linebacker. Yeah, he gonna sit you in the quarterback's lap every time.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, unless. Unless you weigh 300 something pounds, you're going backwards.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe, you watching this game? What do you think about how the you took it to him? I mean, right away, they were not in awe of this ball club. I understand you're the defending champs and you've won so many games in the regular season, but that ain't got nothing to do with us. We come here. And we're not in all of you. We are the you. Yeah, we've had some lean years. We haven't been what you've been over the last two decades. But this is a different story.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm with y'. All, Man, I thought Miami controlled it, you know, up front with that defensive front, but this is. This is what makes college football so exciting because it's just one game, man. I just got to be better than you. One game. And I thought Miami came out and controlled it from start to finish, but I do love the Jeremiah Smith kid from Ohio State. Man, he. Man, I don't know if it's me, but Uncle Ocho, that boy out there moving.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Joe, he from the crib. Joe. I've been watching High school. He went to Shamanade, Joe. He the real deal, Joe. I'm not sure how the Hurricane let him get outside of Miami. I don't know how.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he making three and a half, $4 million a year.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He making four. He making four, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

That's what I'm saying. That's how they let him get out of there. And plus he saw the lineage. Ocho. If you go back and think about all the first round draft pick receivers, a Booker and Jigba, Harrison Jr. David Boston, Chris Carr, you go back and study the history of Ohio State, they got Joey Galloway. So you go back and look and he says, I want to be a part of that. Brian Hartline was the receiver coach. He was a great receiver there. So that, that kind of explains it. Go ahead.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Okay, Joe, that. Hey Unc. And that explains it. I love the name you just, you just written off. Right? But hold on now. The Miami Hurricanes and had had a group that came out with him as well.

[Chad Johnson]

Not, not, not like Ohio State.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on, let me finish now.

[Joe Johnson]

Go ahead.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Andre Johnson, Roscoe Paris. I mean, maybe the name tonight might not be as.

[Chad Johnson]

You was good, you was good with Andre Johnson and Santana Moss. You probably should have went to Michael Urban. You probably should have went to Reggie Wayne. You probably should have went to downtown Eddie Brown.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Devin Hester, Reggie. I mean, it's a lot of them. I'm just. Yes, I'm giving you an example. Like the Hurricanes, he could, he could have, he could have kept that legacy of robbers. He was coming out of Miami alive too. I understand Ohio State, I think it's.

[Chad Johnson]

Probably more recent, Ocho, if, because if you look at Marvin Harrison Jr. You look at Olave, right? You look at Garrett Wilson, you look at in Jigba, you look at him Abuka. So he's probably looking at it from that standpoint. Ocho it recently. And that's not to say that Miami, because as you mentioned Stanley Shakespeare, they had downtown Eddie Brown, they had Mike Irvin, they had Andre Johnson, they had Reggie Wayne, Santana Moss, they've had some really good receivers. But as far as recently, if you go back, look at the past 10 years, Ocho, they probably got seven, eight first round picks.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

And you see what, and you guess what, you get to see them every single Sunday and see what they're doing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You're right, you're right.

[Chad Johnson]

No, but, but I think that's the biggest thing in heartland coached all those guys. So when he comes in there, he said you saw Marvin Harrison Jr. Top three pick, you saw Ibuka, you saw in Jigba, you see all these guys. Garrett Wilson was rookie of the year. Chris Olave, another thousand yard season. I'm telling him, I believe you got more talent in all of them. Yeah, bigger. You're just as fast, you're strong. You're six three son. You're 215, 220 and you can run four. Four. You have something that look, those are little. I mean Chris Olave is a big guy, but he ain't 6:3, 2:20. This is a big, this is a big kid. I saw it. They had the camera on it. When he caught that, I said God.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. He moving too. He moving.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh he can move.

[Joe Johnson]

He moved.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know that's, that's why the first thing you remind me of when you look at him on remind me Andre Johnson. Maybe not. Yes, maybe not as big yet because he's not. He, he hasn't filled into his body right like he looked like Johnson.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe, he still got that teenage body. Yeah, listen. And next year the same reason that why they got Chris Henry Jr. Because he see Jeremiah Smith. And I get to go back go learn from Jeremiah Smith. Each one teach one. We saw this with Alabama when they had Julio Jones, they had Calvin Ridley, they had a, A coupe, they had Devonte, they had rugs, they had Waddle. You see what they did? They had Jameson Williams, they had Meche. You see what they do? Each one teach one. So hey, Alabama had that streak. Now it's Ohio. It's Ohio State's turn now. Oh but look, it wasn't that. Ohio State didn't Ohio, Ohio State to me never seemed comfortable because normally they go out there, they would their defense limits team. They gave up the fewest amount of points, they kept the fewest amount of passing yards. They kept the fewest amount of everything. They number one in the fbs. And all of a sudden, excuse me, a team is going out there that's not in awe, that's not afraid. They go, hold on, that ain't supposed to happen. Who did that to us?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And so now Ohio State. Miami. Miami. If don't turn the ball over, who knows? This thing might have got out of hand sooner. Give Ohio State credit. Hey man, I love that Caleb down that kid. That kid is a Solid tack. He don't miss no tackles.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, I thought, hey, he.

[Chad Johnson]

Johnny on the spot. He coming with bad intentions, too. He's not the biggest. He's. I mean, what, what do you think he is? Ocho? 6, 6, 2, 10, 2, 5, 2.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

10, 2, 15, something like that. But Woody makes up what he. For what he lacks, his size. He makes up in, in other areas. He's rangy as hell. He can play down in the blocks. Hell, he can play. You can play free. And one thing about it, in open space, he's come. He making that tackle every time.

[Chad Johnson]

He making the tackle every time. Every time. I, I, you're right. You're absolutely right. So I don't think. Look, Julian, Sam was 22 or 35. 287, two interceptions. But I don't think this year, he's never been under this kind of duress.

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

You want to find out what a man could do, Joe? Put him to the test. I got to put him under fire because I don't know. I don't know if you can handle it. If I don't put you under the, if I don't put you under the gun. And so guess what? That front for it, they blitzed it once, once or twice, but mainly it was at D4.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They didn't have to. They didn't have to blitz. If I'm getting home, Joe, if I'm getting home with four, what I'm bringing extra for and, and putting my back.

[Chad Johnson]

It's sacrificing the back eight. Correct.

[Joe Johnson]

So it, it take, it puts me in the mind of just like the super bowl, right? The Eagles, how they got after my home.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Bingo.

[Chad Johnson]

If you got a front.

[Joe Johnson]

Yo, who can get out to that quarterback, man? Listen, I guess the defensive line is a premium, huh, in football. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. That's why. That's why everybody tried to get the parcels. Everybody trying to get a Miles Garrett, everybody trying to get a Max Crosby, Aiden Hutchinson. Yes. You need those guys. You need an aerodonald, you need you. If you can get that. You look at when the Patriots were undefeated, it was that front four, oc Straight tuck Canty. That's what. That's what for. So we're not gonna give up. We're not gonna give up any big plays.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

We're gonna make you nickel and dime your way down the field, but we gonna punish the damn quarterback.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's what you've seen tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what they did.

[Odoo Representative]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. The same thing when the Broncos played Carolina, when you got Vaughn and Dware. You had Malik Jackson, you had Derek Wolf. We ain't got to. We don't got to bring no pressure. This four right there, you can't block these four. We don't need to sacrifice the back end by breaking an extra guy. When you block these four, then we'll consider it. But until then, now we just go sit back here and look, look, the knock hell out you. But Miami, that was a bit. That was very impressive AD Kane's put people on notice, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

They put people on notice.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Now this, this is the thing I'm curious about. This, this old Miss Georgia game, I'm not sure how that's gonna look. I'm not sure how that's gonna look.

[Chad Johnson]

What Georgia played them earlier. Didn't they play them earlier? And that Ole Miss had them under control. And then Georgia just went haywire. I think the score was like 40, was like 43.38 or 42, 35. It was a high scoring game. Oo, but I think. I think Georgia's gotten better. Ole Miss has gotten better.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, but both, both have gotten better is the reason why they are where they are now.

[Chad Johnson]

43, 35. Oh, that was the final score.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. So I'm. I'm curious how that game is gonna go. When Georgia gonna show up, which Ole Miss is gonna show up, which team is gonna make the least mistakes, who's gonna win the battle of the trenches up front. That's where it's gonna start. Whoever wins.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you know, everything in Georgia is predicated on defense. You know, Kirby. Kirby, Check a page out of Coach Saban. I'm going to stop your run and I'm going to come hunt your quarterback.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I'll tackle. I'll tackle the running back on the way to the quarterback. My intentions are to get to him, but if you had him the ball, I tackle his ass. But just so you know, I'm coming to get you. But Carson back. The thing with the got the canes in trouble is when he turned the ball over, when he. Take care of the football. Joe. They're a very talented football team and they can do some good things. They lost games. You go back and look at the games that they lost four turnovers against lsu. I think they lost another against Virginia. I think that was the only. The two. Two games they lost. They go on the road. They beat Notre Dame. In Notre Dame, they beat A and M and A and M. So clearly they're a very talented football team. It's just that who can manage the emotions, who can take care of the football? And I felt like I was looking like, damn Miami, when y' all had the momentum, I thought y' all should, should have put like 21 points. Did you, did you leave? Did you give yourself enough separation? Yeah, because that game got really, really close. Ocho, that game got really, really close. But when the defense had to bow.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Their backs, they, they boated.

[Chad Johnson]

They boated, they boated. But Ohio, but Ohio State goes down, there will be not, there will not be a repeat champion. Something that we haven't had in a very, very long oh since the Georgia Bulldogs went back to back. But you look at what they had, boy, they had an ass load of first round draft load of first round draft picks to go. They had five guys on the defensive side of the GO to go in the first round. And then the next year they had Jalen Carter and all those other guys. But the Miami Hurricane stunned number two Ohio State Buckeyes by the score of 24 14. They await the winner of Ole Miss Georgia in the Fiesta bowl did you.

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[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh Joe. I know you heard this. You and Joe. Trayvon Diggs was released by the Cowboys and later picked up by the Packers. Brian Schottenheimer said the first time Trayvon Diggs approached him about wanting to stay in D.C. was after Dallas win against the Commanders on Christmas. Schottenheimer added his protocol is unless there's a family emergency, all players fly to and from the game as a team and the other players asked early in the week and were told the same thing. Schottenheimer emphasized it was not only the reason why the team chose to waive him, it was a multiple factors like performance and other elements. Said he truly wishes Diggs nothing but the best.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe, listen, I understand this. There's protocol, their rules you have to follow. There are standards that you set in place as a team that all players have to follow. But due to the circumstances. Right, stay with me real quick. You probably feel different about this due to the circumstances. As a coach, one player asking, is it okay if I stay behind the C family and do whatever it is, even if it's not a family emergency, knowing that our season is over. We not going nowhere, Joe. Joe, we ain't going nowhere. Hey, coach, listen, I just want to stay behind, man, real quick with the family. I mean, I'm gonna be back the following day. I'm gonna come back the following day. Okay? I mean, I don't. I me, obviously I'm on the outside looking in now. I don't see no problem with it. Especially when.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's not like we're preparing for the next season, okay? We have to. We have to prepare for the following week, which is the last game of the season. We ain't going to the playoffs, Joe. We ain't going nowhere, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Didn't that man tell you so? Let me ask you a question. Did he fly early in the week to go see his family or did he fly on the team plane?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Talk to me.

[Chad Johnson]

The man told you we fly. We came as a team. We're leaving as a team. Everybody kept talking about, well, Shoddy went to Wyoming. Shoddy did not go to Wyoming from D.C. he flew his ass back to Dallas and then got on the plane and went to Wyoming. Yes, sir. You know what, Chad? Excuse me, Ocho and Joe, I like to give context. Terrell Davis led the. Led to AFC in Russia in 96. Yes, 97. He won the Super Bowl MVP in 97. He was a three time first team all pro, 2,000 yards, won the MVP. We were playing the Giants on a Saturday. He had an appearance for Sesame Street. Mike, can I stay? No, you're getting on the plane. We came as a team. We're leaving as a team. He flew all the way back to Denver only to get his ass, go to bed, get up the next morning and catch a plane back.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, I told you, I've been telling you since we got on this thing, Ocho. And I'm not here to beat up Trayvon Diggs. But what did I tell you? I kept telling. I said, ocho, you never tolerate anything in the win. You wouldn't have lost.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

I also told you production intolerance. Now, you. If you. He said there was a lot of other reasons. You mean to tell me this is the first year that Trayvon Diggs has blown off treatment? He's been late to something. I guarantee you, I bet your doorknob to a bucket of cow manure. And the doorknob is diamond. A 50 carat diamond, flawless. D flawless. Internally flawless, if you want to make it. I guarantee you the season that he had 11 interceptions and he was the first team all pro. I bet you he was late to something. Yeah, you see what happened? They were tolerating behavior when they were winning that they couldn't stomach when they were losing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

You see how you go, Joe. Now, I told. I also told you, Ocho, he took chance. I say, you got to be careful because he's not a speed merchant. If you lose anything, you take those same risks, you go set yourself up for failure. Now, when he came back, see, you didn't notice that Ocho, they played a cover. They read, they. They motioned McConkey, they ran him up the rail. He tried to play 2 to 1. They threw the ball over his head.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

See, I see everything, but I wasn't gonna say nothing, but see, because I don't want people to think I'm beating up. I'm just trying to provide you context. I give you another story. Shannon Sharp, 2002. My grandmother's in the hospital. We play Tampa on a Saturday night. I go to Coach Billick. I said, coach Billock, my grandmother's in the hospital. I wonder if it'll be okay that if I stay overnight and then go. I had already told him, but I just wanted to make sure. I said, coach, Billy, you remember I talked to you earlier this week? I said, my grandmother's in the hospital. We're close by. If it's a problem, hey, I'll get back on the plane because I don't want. I don't want anything. He said, you know, hey, I'm glad you reminded me, but hey, go take care of your grandmother. I stayed overnight Sunday, got up, flew to Savannah, stayed there, come back Tuesday. I was in meeting on Wednesday. Wednesday, he said, unless it's a family emergency. Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Did he say that? Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

A family emergency. Mike Shanahan made td, a Super bowl mvp, a league mvp, a three time first team all pro. He had an appearance in New York. Oh, choke he there. Do you know how long the flight is back to Denver? And then had to get got and come right back.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Five long ones.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

That's cold.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just trying to explain something to you. Chat. I don't try. I'm not trying to beat up Trayvon Diggs. But once the man told you. But I. I saw the. I told Joe you weren't on this summer. I told oo when Michael Parson was laying on that table, what I tell you?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, oh, he was going, that was it. That was it. That was it. But you know, Michael Parsons wanted. Hey, at that point, Joe, Mike ain't there at that. At that point, body language let you know I'm done. When Trayvon Diggs, obviously another point. You think about the situation where he chose not to get treatment on his knee in the off season. He chose to do it away where he was rehabbing that and then. And decided not to do it in Dallas at the facility so they can keep track and see how far you come along. That's.

[Odoo Representative]

That.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That might be part of where it all starts.

[Chad Johnson]

It is.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

As far as this year is concerned. I'm. I'm not trying.

[Chad Johnson]

Slater, go ahead. Oh, go ahead, finish.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, but I'm just saying, Joe, I know now I'm thinking. I'm thinking about what I get with the healthy trade digs. I understand what you do, Joe. A un. I talk. I say it all the time. And I talk about the defensive backs in the NFL when it comes to them playing. Now, I like a healthy TRAYVON DIG Because 95 of the defensive backs in the NFL, they play football not to get beat. And you got 5%. And Joe, you got 5% that's out there to make a play. And Trayvon Diggs is in that 5%. I don't care what nobody say. He's in that 5%. I'm finna try to make a play sometimes. Try to make that play. He gambles.

[Chad Johnson]

I gotta play. But you gotta play within the scheme. Ocho, Ocho. Oo. Hey, I'm gonna be late. I need you to cover for me. I can't just be late. And don't tell. You can cover for me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

So he can't play a coverage without telling the Satan. Hey, look, man. Hey, yeah. Get over the top of this. Cause I'm gonna jump it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm gonna jump. Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Brian Schottenheimer is trying to change the culture. Hopefully Jerry's allowed him to do it because far too many times Since Jimmy was gone, players could do something, circumvent the head coach Joe and go to go straight and go straight to Jerry. Hopefully Jerry now has a wall up that says no, y' all deal with Shoddy because you got to change the culture. Now I don't know if this true, but there was a guy talking about, and I guess he's a day to day guy. I guess he a beatrider or something. And he was saying that when they were doing team stretching, he said everybody would be in their groups and they'd be stretching so forth and so on, he said. But Parsons and, and Diggs were off to the side doing their own thing. He said it rubbed in the wrong way. Now, I don't know. That's true. Maybe he got got an ax to grind with Micah. Maybe he got an ax to grind with a Trayvon. I don't know. But as Shoddy said, one of the reasons that we cut him was because we told him that he was not allowed to stay. And then there were a host of other reasons, so. Production intolerance. Ocho, let me ask you a question. Oh, to me, had he stayed, Joe, had he stayed. But he had six picks, four pass breakups, a forest fumble. Are they cutting?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, absolutely not. Okay. Actually, hey, I got, I got another question for you. Let me tell you something, Joe. I know that's your team.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You love your dad. Cowboys. I understand that, but think about all the people. Hey, hey. And chat. Think about all the people that have recently that have left the Dallas Cowboys. Tell me how they've done once they departed. I'm telling Joe, stay, stay with me. Trying to talk. I'm not talking about the Cowboys in general. I'm talking about the players that have been able to, to find love and, and, and, and, and go on to greener, greener passions.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Everyone that seemed to, to seem to produce and, and, and, and maybe for Trayvon Diggs, maybe it's great that he's going to a change of scene. Not only going to, he's going to a team that had the chance to compete in the postseason for a change.

[Chad Johnson]

He says he's healthy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Come on now.

[Chad Johnson]

The Cowboys for the longest time said that he wasn't. Jerry said that he wasn't helpy healthy. Shoddy says that he wasn't helping. I don't oo you and I not there. We don't see the man. He said he's healthy. I've got to take his word for it. Even though they say he's Not. They are not in his body. Just like when people tell me, hey, you good, bro? You don't know how bad, but how bad. How bad this pain is. Don't tell me.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm good, right? Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Hell, I know. I know my pain level at the very. On the pain in which I could. In which I can handle. Again, chat. I don't mean to beat a dead horse. It's called production intolerance. And when production is up here, tolerance is up here. Tolerance will never outweigh production. I don't give a damn who you are. Yeah, you see it all the time. Well, how was he able to get it? Because he makes the company money. He produces sacks, interception yards, touchdown. That's how.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, take your time now. Come on.

[Chad Johnson]

As my coach in college told us, he said, I'm gonna treat y' all all fair. Yeah. But I ain't treating you the same.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey. And a little bit, though, I'm. There's a way you got to do things right.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You have to learn as a player. You have to learn to play the game within the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I kind of see. I see your side clear as day. I see your side clear as day. But I'm just understanding as the coach, I think because of all the issues that he's had with Trayvon in general at the. With the team that we don't know about the rest of the stuff.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Why he didn't grant him that reason to stay back. I think. I think. I think it would have been different. It was someone else that may have asked, and you know what? I mean? I just want to see my family a little bit. It's okay if I stay back and do X, Y and Z. But the fact that they asked him to do things in the past, and he chose not to be there. No, we ain't gonna let you stay. You get on this flight if you need to go wherever you need to.

[Chad Johnson]

Go, you catch and go all the way back.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

We'll be flying from. And then we'll see you Wednesday morning.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I agree with y' all saying. I think it. I think it was time for Trayvon to get a change of senior. I'm with you on that, Ocho, but the grass ain't always green over there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But, bro. Oh, it's green. It's green. It's green and green Bay.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, what you always say? Every year you got to update your resume.

[Chad Johnson]

Now I got your resume.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, we don't know what next year gonna.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yo, no, he not Ocho. No, he ain't the same player.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, but hey, listen, sometimes you're not the same player. You go in the right situation, the right environment, you able to flourish.

[Chad Johnson]

But so I'm supposed to give you the same money even though you're not the same player?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, we ain't going that far yet.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but here's the thing, Ocho. Plus he didn't have any more guaranteed money. So I got no more obligation. I got, I ain't got to pay you no more. Because guess what? Now, even now the Green Bay picked them up, they got to pay that 420, $230,000 for that last game check. I ain't got nothing to do with that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know what? They're not really worried about that. I know. They know, they understand, they understand the piece that they are getting and they're gonna put the piece that they are getting based on what they see, what they've seen and what they're knowing he can do and put him in position to be able to do the things that he's good at. And I, I, I like that for Young Bull. I mean, I wish, I wish it would have worked out because who doesn't want to play for Dallas Joe and all who don't want to have that goddamn star in the helmet? But I think the situation and the relationship with the Cowboys and Trayvon Diggs is gone. It's going sour.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it was headed that way. Jane Slater, my point was Joe and Ocho, Jane Slater, who's the insider who covers the Cowboys, and she's like Mary Kay Cabot. When Mary Kay Cabot speaks about the Cleveland Browns, you listen to her. When Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys, you listen to her.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

And she was like, he reached out to her. But she said she can't recall where Jerry has ever find a player for not showing up. I think she's been covering them for a decade, at least a decade.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

And she said she can't remember. So that should have been an indication to Trayvon. Right? That was a warning, Ocho. Yeah, I don't really if I'm going to cross. If I'm crossing the railroad tracks, I don't really have to see the train. If I see them arms go down in the red lights flashing, I don't even gotta see it. I just know the train coming.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yes.

[Chad Johnson]

All the time that he's probably been fined. I mean, all the times they've been done. Jerry probably forgave that cuz he had 11 picks. He's the first team all Pro. He's going to the Pro Bowl. So once them arms come down, I'm coming up to a railroad track. Man, where the train at, man? I can beat it. That should have been an indication. I believe Brian Scheimer is trying to change the culture there. Two, two too many times guys have been doing whatever they want to do. Now we're a team. That's one thing Mike preached. Nah, we're not going to come out here. We're not no all tournament team. You're going to be dressed like you dress on Sunday. Now, if you don't wear pads on Sunday, yeah. Come out to practice with no pads. But if you wear pants on Sunday, don't you bring your ass out here with no pads. So whoever don't have on pads and you wear pads on Sunday, take your ass back inside. I ain't moved because I ain't wearing no pants. All I had was shoulder pads and a helmet. That's how you have to do it, Ocho, if you want to change the culture. Sometimes, Joe, and you notice in basketball, you got to get some of your better players because they're bad apples. You got to get them out of there because sometimes the. Some of your best players are most influential and they'll influence other guys. And I don't want that on Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, hey. I feel young, but you already know what you need when it comes to winning games, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, you know what you're gonna need? You're gonna need. You're gonna need some dogs.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, well, they want to get some D line, they better get some D linemen. That's what they need. They need somebody that can hunt the quarterback.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That, too.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, I don't. I don't care. I don't care anything about yourself. I don't care who they are.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

You better get somebody to go hunt that quarterback. Because without that pressure, if you let him sit back there and just pat this ball like it's seven on seven.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'll pick you apart.

[Chad Johnson]

You saw the game on Sunday night. You saw what they did. You saw the Rams and Seahawks go up and down the field. You've got to have somebody to put pressure on that quarterback. Ocho, I don't care how good your cornerbacks are. They can't hold up all day. They cannot let them do it. And. And for the production that Trayvon was giving them.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

They finally said you're not worth the headache.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Well, listen, they said it was one game left in the season and they're not going to the postseason.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean that, Ocho. I told you they were moving on after the season. He just fed the process up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He expedited. And you know what I think? I think he doesn't see no problem with that. Because if he saw a problem with that, if you was worried about the.

[Chad Johnson]

The.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The consequences of him staying back, he wouldn't have done it. He wouldn't have done it because they already told him no. So he sped it up also. We have to see. Man, you know what? Man, we ain't going no goddamn. Well, they. They've been playing with me. I'm telling them healthy. They not. They not let. Let me play. I was. I'm a healthy guy. A healthy goddamn scratch. I played today. I'm asking if I can stay back. They said no. You know, man, do you.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me ask you a question, Ocho. You got the three years. You've been that last three years. You got three touchdowns. Cincinnati not gonna let you do what they normally do if you had 13 touchdowns in three years.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But listen, I'm witching with you, right? And I'm picking up, which we writing.

[Chad Johnson]

And picking up since that'll let you act a fool. You had 1300. You had 1400. You had 1600. You had 90 catches. You had 85 catches. You got 55 catches. Your name Chad Johnson, and you need to act accordingly. I'm just telling how it is. I'm just telling you that that's how co. That's how it works in the real world. You ask, but. Well, man, such and such late. Such and such. He might be 20 minutes late, 30 minutes late, but when he's here, he's very productive. He gets the job done. You here early and be bull jabbing you at the water cooler gossiping I about he late. He come in late, sit his ass down at his desk, a cubicle and go to work. Guys, life ain't fair. You got to stop judging and think. Everybody. What I do. It doesn't work like that. It never has, and it never, never will ever. Once you understand that. Job. The job. Life is so. So. It's so easy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, it is. Hey, Uncle Joe, when it comes to basketball, when it comes to football, when it comes to the corporate world, when it comes to any and everything dealing with life in general, it's a game within the game. And the better you learn the game, the better off you are. You better off you are. The higher. The higher you are at the top of whatever it is you're doing, the more you get to Play the game your way.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But if you, if you're not up there, if you're not the big dog, if you're not the one calling the shots, you have to learn to play the game.

[Chad Johnson]

And I think the thing is, Ocho, you mentioned that he's now in Green Bay. His best friend, Michael Parsons in Green Bay. Although we know Micah towards knee ligament and he's gonna be out, but he's, he's there with somebody familiar. We talked about, we talked to the young gentleman last night. Higgins, our state receiver goes in the second round and then he goes in the third line. Jalen Noel. Jalen Noel, he goes in the third round. Familiarity, someone there that he knows. He's not going to be there by himself. But I, I just, I, I just want him to get back to being who and what he is. He has to understand Ocho, when you're not a speed. The thing is, when you're not a speed merchant, Ocho, and you have a knee injury, see, like Tyreek, like you said, okay, Tyreek's not going to be 4, 2, 5. He gonna. Boy, 4 3, 8, 4, 4 flat. That's still faster than 85, 90% of the NFL.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

But when you 4, 5, 5, 5, 4, 6 and you have an injury. Nah, you gotta play, you gotta play defect. Cuz you gotta play straight up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And also, not only do you have to play straight up, it's all about having a feel for the game and understanding the game. You played DB for a very long time. You being 4, 5 and having somebody 4, 3 across from you, you understand it's all about leverage, it's all about angles, using your hand to be able to reset yourself, reposition the line of scrimmage. It's so many different things. And I love Uncle. You know how I feel when it comes to talking about dbs. Yes, I love that, Joe. I love talking from perspective because I play receiver. So I understand what you got to do as a DB to be able to always be able to, to flourish or throw into the ball. So I think even if he's not the same Trayvon Diggs of old, there are things that you can do to manipulate your game to make sure you stay on top of your.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I think it's the hardest thing to do.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he'll still be effective, Uncle Ocho. I think he'll, he'll take some time to really get acclimated in Green Bay and really show that he can, he can get back to being a top corner. So I'm sure you're going to take the challenge on this? For sure.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

The hardest thing to do is to convince ourselves we're not what we used to be. It's a real fine line between confidence and delusion.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Come on, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Be careful. Listen, I'm gonna say it again, Ocho. There's a real fine line between confidence and delusion. Yes, sir. How do we tell ourselves? How do we convince ourselves? Because this is what made us great. The confidence, Joe. That's what made Joe Johnson who he is. That's who made Ocho who he was. The confidence. But as we start to age, as we suffer injuries and we're not the player that we once was. We want. Excuse me. We once were. How do we handle that?

[Joe Johnson]

That's tough.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Samuel Johnson had a quote. He says, almost every man will waste a part of his life. Ocho. Trying to possess characteristics he don't have to gain. Applause for which you cannot keep.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Come on, now.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Do me a favor. Rewind that Pa for the people that didn't hear it. So. So it can marinate a little bit. Y', all, that real quick, man.

[Chad Johnson]

We all and we every man will try to possess characteristics he don't have, basically in the hopes of coming for something he's not. To gain fame and applause for which he cannot keep.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, man, that's. That's why I love just being myself, Joe. You know, I ain't never changed. Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Joe. Them folk tried to give me the chain so bad in the league, Joe. I. I couldn't do it. I didn't know anything else outside of just being myself, Joe. I ain't had no choice but to be good at what I do because I'm not conforming to what y' all think I should. Where the was y' all when I was in elementary?

[Chad Johnson]

This is high acting. When I was in high school and.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Played and I scored, this is how I acted. Where was y' all when I was watching the Hurricanes in the 90s and Randall Hill, Lamar Thomas and all them boys and Michael Irving scoring? They acting a fool. When I'm looking at the TV telling my grandma I want to be like them. Oh, now I made it. Now you telling me I'm supposed to change? Man, I'm gonna be every bit of Liberty City in Dade county every time I get a chance. I don't care about the money you paying me, Joe.

[Odoo Representative]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

You just had a control.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Why you think I never change? I'm not here playing for the money. I'm going to remain authentically myself, everything that made me, me, and I'm gonna keep doing it. It don't matter how much money you take from me, Joe. I played the game of football free because the one thing they use for us to be able to keep us under control and to keep blind. So they take what they think we value most. Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Take his money.

[Chad Johnson]

I value that. Hey, you know what I love about our tight end, the All Pro? You know what I love about him? He played his game for free. I stood up and said, yeah, but everybody else need to play for free, too. I ain't gonna be the only mofo player for free. I just. Just so we clear, Joe, you know, Joe, they use that. He play for free.

[Commercial Announcer]

You're right.

[Chad Johnson]

But I need everybody else to play for free, too. I ain't the only one gonna be playing for free. And the thing is, Ocho, Mike. Mike didn't really have a problem with celebrating and all that. He said, long as you don't call your team a penalty.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

You don't call your team a penalty. So somebody did something dirty to me. Yeah, I'm gonna get your ass back. I ain't gonna cost you no pill, but I'm gonna get you back.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I'm gonna get you back. Right? Hey, hey, hey, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

If one.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, one thing about it, Joe, you know, I. I hate to say it in. In. In this way, in these words, right? But that's the only way to keep them in line. Excuse me. Excuse my language. Excuse my language. You know, you take the money, that's the only way.

[Chad Johnson]

I got to take what you value. But in the mom, what they do, Ocho, they hit your family. Yeah, because you value that. Your mom, your wife, your kids, your mom. What. What do you value? See, in the NFL, they know you value. You want it. You work hard to get in the position. Ocho became an All Pro. He became a Pro bowl player so he can make money. He value money. That's why he worked his ass off. He wanted it. He wanted to be able to put. Be in position to take. To take care of his family. Well, let me take a little bit off it. Let me take a little bit of this off it. Let me light this load a little bit.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, it ain't work.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't work. It ain't working.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, matter of fact, hey. Oh, tell Joe by that time I tried to.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Commercial Announcer]

Hey.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'll kill me. Hey. Oh, he was at CBS then, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

I was.

[Joe Johnson]

I was.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Let me tell You.

[Chad Johnson]

That was before D. Ocho, you know, that's before that. Before now, when everybody think the game was sold. Cause they really think the game sold now. So if you were to do that now, man, they might. Oh, yo, they might take. They might suspend you.

[Joe Johnson]

What he did? What'd you do?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So I caught him.

[Chad Johnson]

He had a call. They got a call, and he just tried to get official $.

[Joe Johnson]

Wow.

[Chad Johnson]

Like to change his mind on the call.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, it was a catch, you know, and I forgot. Who is it, Billy? Who was the Ravens coach at the time?

[Chad Johnson]

Brian Billick.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Brian Billick threw a red Challenge fan. I felt I caught the ball. So I'm thinking to myself, I'm sitting there, you know what? I'm finna just play around real quick. I had a dollar in my sock. The dollar in my sock was for a celebration. So I used the dollar as just jokingly trying to bribe the ref. When he came up outside the replay booth and I tried to hand it to him like, go ahead, Joe. The NFL fired me about 30, 000 the next morning.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, they ain't playing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, look, look. It's moments like that, Joe. I ain't worried about that 30, 000. I'm not even tripping. I'm out here having fun and entertaining. And on top of that, I'm playing to the side. I'm playing. I wouldn't just know anybody, Joe. I'm acting a fool, but I'm great at what I do as far as producing is concerned. So it. I mean, the Bangles didn't care because they understood week in and week out, whether he was playing home or away, there's one person we don't have to worry about. He might act a fool and have some fun, but he gonna show up every effort game.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey. Okay, Ocho. Hey, look, I wasn't giving them nothing back. You hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

They got me with something with uniform. They got me with the uniform, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Thing, Joe. Socks. Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Cause you know, you got songs got. You can't show no skin. So, Joe, the guy tackled me. I'm supposed to pull my socks up, bro. I ain't. I ain't thinking about that, man. I'm thinking about the next relay. I'm thinking about beating old boy again or beating somebody else.

[Joe Johnson]

And they find y' all for that. How much?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, 5,000. Yeah, the first. The first offense was 5,000. And that. That was another place where all my money went. I wore a streamer towel, Joe. You know, the little Gatorade towels y' all had the Long Gatorade towels. Be on the bench. I cut me a streamer towel and had a streamer towel hanging on the side of my hip. Mind you, they give you towels as well, Joe. I want mine long. I want mine long and pretty so when I run. So if you look at. If you look at some pictures of me, sometimes I have an orange chin strap. Depending on what color jersey wearing. Sometimes they have a black chin strap, Joe. I ain't, man. Sometimes. McLease was gold, Joe. Our colors, orange or black. What I'm doing with gold, you're just.

[Joe Johnson]

Doing what you want to do out there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And I'm doing, man.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Listen, you look good, you play good.

[Chad Johnson]

And if you play good, yeah, Joe wasn't lying, Ocho. And Joe's whole career, he was only fined $6,000.

[Joe Johnson]

Nothing back, man. Hey, Ocho, where I'm from, two technical.

[Chad Johnson]

Files and an ejection when I get ejected.

[Joe Johnson]

I got ejected. I think it was like one time, but I.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You. You cuss.

[Joe Johnson]

The referee must have been some muscle. No, I don't complain to the refs when I play, man. I played through all that. So if I. If I got onto the ref, it's. Cause it's something really happy, man. And you missed it, bro. He deserved it.

[Chad Johnson]

He deserved it.

[Joe Johnson]

But I ain't just out there just hollering at the ref for no reason.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nah.

[Chad Johnson]

Remember, Ocho, you take this with you. Almost every man will waste a part of his life trying to possess qualities it does not have in an attempt to gain applause for which he cannot keep.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, man. Come on now.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, let me ask you this. Do you think he can actually help the packers defense to SEC? The packers have the seventh best pass defense in 2025. Was this a favor to Micah, or do you believe Trayvon? Because they're kind of banged up in the secondary. Yeah, but do you believe he can actually help them?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. The fact that they're seventh in pass defense, they're going to put him in positions to be able to do what he does well, whether we believe he's the same or not. And they going to be all right. Obviously, that front four that you do have, that can get home when they do play, once they get into the postseason, I think Trayvon is going to be spectacular in the way they use him and that that's what matters most. It's not like, damn, our front four is not good. We can't get to the quarterback, so now we need our back end to carry us and do what they do man and people maybe hey Joe, you got maybe two damn maybe three seconds to throw the ball when you playing against them goddamn packets even with in the absence.

[Chad Johnson]

We will get the football in just a second.

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[Chad Johnson]

Easy today oh Joe, this is right up your alley. Anthony F. Edwards was clearly frustrated by the team's performance tonight. They lost 126, 102 to the Atlanta Hawks after head coach Chris Finch pull wolf starter Ant left the bench went to the locker room with a little under eight minutes left in the game. The Hawks led at the time 109 to 80. Finch called timeout after the called called him out after the game said obviously frustrated with the performance and rightfully so, but he needs to stay on the floor and root for his team. Today's game continued a frustrating stretch for the Wolves, who have lost three of their four games despite Ant man averaging 31.3 during that stretch. Minnesota sitting 2113 this year in sixth place in the west, according to ESPN. Ant man and Atlanta native who played college ball at Georgia, had a number of old friends and family at tonight's game, including his grandfather. Damn, I get all that, bro. You down 30, Joe. You ain't coming back with eight minutes to go down. You ain't coming back.

[Joe Johnson]

But you know you got to control your emotions, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

But I'm. I'm no, I'm saying that's why Fitch took him out. Yeah, yeah, I get what you're going.

[Joe Johnson]

But my thing is, here's what Ant man thinking. He thinking man I'm back home at the crib. I'm finna come out and show out. Cause he was ballin'. He was ballin'. He the only one was ballin'. The rest of them dudes act like they didn't even know they had a game. And I think, you know, he thinking to himself, man, I got all my people out here. Y' all come out. We put on this lackluster performance in front of my folks out here. Yeah, he got a little beside himself. He was pissed off, I could tell. But I thought his play was pretty good. Uncle Ocho, he was balling. He only. I mean, he had 30, I think, like in the third quarter, like they couldn't stop him. But nobody else was giving him anything on his team. Plus, the Hawks were, man, they was hitting on all cylinders. Uncle Ocho, they weren't missing. They moving that basketball, everybody touching it.

[Chad Johnson]

Didn't they have like 20 something? Three. Joe, here's.

[Joe Johnson]

Here's the thing, because I've been hearing a lot of the rumblings about Trae Young, and when he's came back, you know how the Hawks haven't been playing great.

[Chad Johnson]

They.

[Joe Johnson]

You can't game plan for the guys who's out there. Now, when Trey is not out there, you. It's hard to game plan for those guys. You know what I mean? Like, when Trey is out there, he's such a focal point of the offense that, you know, you put so much attention on him that, you know, I think it kind of creates a little havoc or whatnot throughout the team. But I think when Trey doesn't play, everybody just kind of plays freely. Nobody's really getting double team, triple team. Jalen Johnson has been spectacular throughout this.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Where the hell did he come from, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

He got hurt last year. He would have been an all star last year, but he got hurt this year. They got him in places on the court to where he's so effective. But he's the prototypical forward in today's game of basketball. I mean, he could do everything. He could shoot the 3, he rebound, block shots, play defense. He can playmate. He has no weakness. And you can tell. Look, if you look at the month of, I think December, he averaged a triple double in this whole month of December. He been.

[Chad Johnson]

He been balling.

[Joe Johnson]

He's been balling.

[Chad Johnson]

He had 34 tonight on 15 to 22, three or six from the free three point line, one on one from the free throw line, 10 rebounds, six assists, two steals and a block. But ant, man, you said Joe, ant man had 30. He 10 of 18, 3 of 8 from 3, 7 of 8 from the free throw line. He played 33 minutes, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, can you imagine, uncle, if you was playing. If you was playing and y' all came out here and you playing against the Falcons. Unc, you got, you know, you out here doing your thing, but y' all getting blew out, and you got your whole family and friends out. Like, man, I. I totally cut up on the Falcons.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, we went down there 97. The devil went down to Georgia. You're looking for a soda steal. I did a number on them. I hit him up. I hit him up. Oh, trouble for, like, five for a buckle. A buckle. Three of the tub, 64 yards. Second play of the game. Third player of the game come home.

[Joe Johnson]

And show up and show out.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Yeah, I had 20 tickets. I hadn't spent that. But they got to see me show.

[Vizio Promoter]

Up.

[Joe Johnson]

Like it didn't hit, you know.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Joe Johnson]

It just. It just wasn't a game, man. The Hawks was hitting on all cylinders, and, you know, I know he probably was like, man, we got to come out here and get a win. And it just didn't happen that way. They actually got embarrassed.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, the 24. But the game really wasn't that close.

[Joe Johnson]

It wasn't.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, it wasn't that close, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

At all.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, speaking of basketball, you know, I'm. I'm down here in the Bahamas, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm at the cigar bar at Baja Mar, right?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm sitting there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm sitting there with the missus sitting there smoking a cigar. And I'm looking down on my phone, and I see somebody sitting in front of me. I can see him on my peripheral. He said, what's up, Ocho? And, you know, I only really look. I say, hey, how you doing? Happy New Year, sir. You say, oh, so this is John. I look up and. Goddamn John. Stars, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, is it. Boy, you in Cambodia, y'.

[Joe Johnson]

All.

[Chad Johnson]

All of you in Cambodia getting frequent fly, ain't you?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah. I'm gonna bring it in, right? I'm gonna bring it in upside down. But listen to me, Joe. The flight from Miami to The Bahamas is 18 minutes.

[Chad Johnson]

That's it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I could have swam here, but, you know, I normally. I normally fly Spirit, but I jumped on. I jumped on the JetBlue flight, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I heard JetBlue got some nice flights.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Hey, I don't give him 72.

[Joe Johnson]

Almost.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, 72. So I, you know, I jumped on It. And you know, we going to the parade tonight. You see what my shirt say? Hey, you can see what that say on Valley Boys. Valley Boy. Hey, you see what I say right now?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Valley Boy. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The greatest, the incomparable, the only one, the Valley Boy, the Junko. Tonight you don't start till 2 in the morning. So I'm excited. I'm happy. I'm sure, I'm sure I have some, some Junko fans here in the chat. You know, Valley, we bringing it home today. They have Boxing Day parade. We came in second. And so we got the New York. The New Year's Day parade, which you could brag about for the Next, the next 11 months.

[Chad Johnson]

Everybody got a hat on, so I figured I'd put me a hat on too.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What's your hat? What's your hat say, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Nightcap.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, let me tell you something. When we get out, when we get on, when we get off this, when we get off this show tonight, it's going down well, that's what it's gonna be. Nightcap.

[Joe Johnson]

You hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Matter of fact, put it back. I'm cap my night.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, when I get off. Nightcap. I wish I could get on some, but, you know, poor hustle. Nobody knows the trouble. I see.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, I thought you had something, though. What happened? Are we supposed to have a double wedding in 2026? You supposed to be on point number two pencil.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, I don't want to rehash anything but your money, your boy money jump funny. So, you know, you know, the phone, the phone don't ring quite like it used to, you know what I'm saying? The phone don't rang. I did tell you my number, but it, it wasn't ringing like it supposed.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on, I'mma tell you something. I'm gonna tell you. This is, this is a good thing. This is. Yeah. Now, if. If your phone not ringing because the money's not what it is. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They not the one for you.

[Chad Johnson]

They're not the one. Okay. I'm glad you said that. Glad you said it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

This is what you need to understand, See, globally, not just here in the States. Globally, I'm known for not spending no money.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Known for not being a TR ick, you know?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Like you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, I'm tight. I'm a 50 50, okay?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Joe, I ain't got no problem pulling what really likes me.

[Joe Johnson]

Right? Right, Right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know? So there's somebody out there for you, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. And you're gonna find it. You're gonna find in 2020. It ain't got nothing to do with no money.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because you don't need no liability.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you right.

[Chad Johnson]

You right.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And you need you a nice foundation.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh? Huh?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Stable.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Something you could build on.

[Chad Johnson]

Build on it.

[Joe Johnson]

Legos.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You stacking. You stack one on top of the other, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I was hoping to build. I was hoping to build on something into the new year, but, you know, I. Okay, I'll wait till I get into the new year. I was hoping I had a sturdy foundation upon me, you know what I'm saying? But, you know. Okay, I take your word for it. Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you good. You good. Matter of fact, I got somebody for you. Where? It ain't even about no money.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, nah, nah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Some. Sometimes. Sometimes, Joe, even Unc need direction and we go, hey, sometimes a woman can be your gps.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, don't you. You ain't got to play Cupid with it, man. Just let it happen organically. Let it.

[Chad Johnson]

Let it. Yeah, that what I'm do that. I'm just saying, you know, I had me some seed, I got me some seeds, I let them dry, I plant them in fertil soil. I'm going see whatever grow. I'm going see what's going to grow. I don't know what's going to grow with you. I planted a lot of seeds though.

[Vizio Promoter]

Right?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That man.

[Odoo Representative]

Hello.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, they out there busting them guns already.

[Odoo Representative]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

But I. I get the frustration, but I agree with Chris Finch. Look, we understand that you frustrated, but your team, they cheer for you when things are going well. Yeah. They need you. They want to see you on the sidelines cheering for them.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I agree.

[Chad Johnson]

I get your frustration.

[Joe Johnson]

I agree.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what?

[Joe Johnson]

And I'm sure it needed to be addressed, but I can also understand how Ant man feel too.

[Chad Johnson]

What are you doing?

[Joe Johnson]

I can also understand what happened, man.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know what Ocho doing.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, we can see you, bro.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You saw I cut out for a minute, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

No, you didn't.

[Joe Johnson]

I did. I seen it cut out for a few seconds, like quick.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey. No, I'm saying, hey, my whole. My whole zoom and everything went away, I guess in the hotel, and then it just came back. Oh, okay. We good? I'm back now. I'm feeling good tonight. But I don't even drink alcohol.

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