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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
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Shannon Sharpe
Hello Ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. You watch the Indiana Pacers do what they did the last series, go on the road and and take a 20 lead going back to Indy. Yes, they are. They're up two old. They're in a commanding position. You don't see this often, but they've done it in back to back series. A commanding 20 lead, 114 to 109. Thanks to a red hot shooting night from Pascal siakam who had 39 big points. They have six guys in double figures like they normally do as a committee team and they win this ball game on the road, 114 to 109. Y' all know who I am. I am your favorite unc, Shannon Sharpe, my partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bengals Ring of fame honoree, Pro Bowler All Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And our special guest tonight joining us to break down this game, Indiana 1114 to 109, is the 1981 Finals MVP. He's a two time champ and he's out of the University of North Carolina at Charlotte. The number 12 overall draft pick in the 1977 draft. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Cedric Cornbread Maxwell. We'll get to a second how you got that name, Cornbread? I think I got a pretty good idea, but we're gonna let you explain this to us. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. I want to thank each and every one of you personally for your support and your continued support. When Ocho and I launched this thing almost two ago, we had no idea it would take us to the height that it's taken us. But we could not have done that without you. So thank you so much from Ocho and I and the entire crew at Nightcap. Thank you and hopefully we'll get your continued support. Please make sure you check out Shave by La Portier. We have it in stock. If you can't find it in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours before they're gone. Before we get to the game. Guys, I want to make an announcement. Guys, we decided to postpone the Nightcap tour. We look forward to seeing you guys in summer of 2026. It's going to be even bigger, even better. But Ocho and I have come to the conclusion that this is the best thing as of right now was to postpone the tour. We look forward to seeing each and every one of you in 2026. Some of you guys that have already got the tickets, you probably received the emails and further instructions. But I want to thank you for your support. Ocho and I want to thank you and everybody at Nightcap want to thank you. But we postponed the tour until 2026. Now let's get into this ball game. The Indiana Pacers go on the road. Now remind you, they did this to the number one seed, a team that won 64 games in the regular season. They went on the road to Cleveland and. And they took a commanding two old lead on the road. And what did they do? People might have thought that was a fluke. They go on the road again in the conference finals and take a 20 lead against a very good New York Knicks team. And they do it 114 to 109. And again six guys in double figures. Pascal Siakam was sensational night. 15 of 23 shooting three or five from the three point line, 36 big points. N. Smith had 12, Miles Turner had 16, Nem Hart had 12, Halliburton 14 and 11. And they got TJ McConnell in only 14 minutes. He gave them 10, 10 big points. That's six guys in double figures again. And that's normally how they do it. Cornbread, you've seen this team play against your Celtics over the years and this is how they normally do it. They have might have one guy, but normally it's a bunch of teams. 14, 13, 16, 19. And they did it again tonight. When you watch this game, Cornbread, what was it? What is it that the, the the Pacers are doing? Or is it something they're doing or there's something the Knicks aren't doing?
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I think it's something that the Celtics are doing. I mean the Celtics, that's who I want to talk about.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I know you.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Something I think that the Pacers are doing. I think what the Pacers are doing really well. They're moving the basketball and they move bodies. The body, the ball does not stick as much. And because of that, defensively you cannot rotate and trap as much. That happens when the Knicks have played other teams. The ball sticks and their defense becomes that much more fluid, and they can do damage that way. So when you move that basketball and you move bodies, the Knicks don't move as well defensively as other teams do.
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Shannon Sharpe
Watching this game, Ocho, I was looking at it early, and I saw like, the. The Pacers got out to a good lead, and then the Knicks go on this run, and I'm looking at this game, at the half, I'm like, knicks, I think y' all in trouble. I think that y' all in trouble. I say, because they've walked you down from 14 with under three minutes, and now you got a nip and tuck ball game. And the thing that the Pacers do, they're going to play with. They're going to play with pace. They're going to push the ball. Whether you make the shot, Brad, or you miss the shot, they are pushing. Halliburton is looking to get that ball ahead to Siakam, to N. Smith, Miles Turner, because they run the floor. And like you said, they do a great job of moving. And they don't have a guy that you say, oh, I got to get him the ball. They don't have a dominant guy, a Luka or Jason Tatum or one of these great shades that got to have the ball. So you don't know on a given night, it could be one of either six guys that can be their leading scorer, and that's very difficult to defend. Jalen Brunson is averaging almost 40 points a game, eight assists the game, and he's shooting 54%. Yet they find themselves down.02. Ocho, when you're looking at the Knicks, and I think you picked the Knicks to win.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, sir.
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Shannon Sharpe
What is it that you're seeing? What's been most disappointing from you for you, I mean.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, for the Knicks, obviously. I need more people to contribute at the half. I mean, with Jalen Brunson doing what he needs to do, Mikhail Bridges was okay. I know he came along in the second half, but the patience are winning collectively as a group. Everybody's being able to contribute. I think it's too much pressure on Jalen Brunson to keep them in the game. Regardless, Pacers can pass the ball and always keep the ball moving offensively. Them and Trans the Pacers in transition, running up and down the floor. I think everyone else has to contribute as well. Cat, I mean, what did cat have tonight? Unc?
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Shannon Sharpe
Cat had 20 points on 6 to 14. Shooting 14 shots isn't enough, not even close. Mikhail Bridges had 18 shots.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, now we down now. We down 02 in the hole. I'm talking about we. I'm just saying specifically because I picked the Knicks to win this series. That goddamn Halliburton unman. Listen, he was very efficient tonight. He only had 14 points, but still his shot selection. And when he chose to shoot.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Oh, it's Chad. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Chad. Stick a fork in. They're done now.
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Shannon Sharpe
They're done.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah. You're going to already. I didn't stellar, did I? Already? Yeah. Oh, they're done. I mean, I don't think that you look at them the first game they lost that psychologically it does a lot of damage. But then you come back and you play. Okay. And you lose the second game. Right? Where are the people that were rocking the Celtic bus the other day when I was on it, when we left that arenas, they were trying to tip it over. Those same quiet people left out there like church mouse. So I think that you look at the Knicks. This is a team that plays with emotion. What they've done, they take them, they've taken the emotion out. You said something about the pace that they run. Let me tell you what happened during 1984. I swear to God this how it happened. We played the Lakers in game three. They beat us so bad, we score. I didn't even think Magic took the ball out of bounds. He was right behind me dribbling.
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Shannon Sharpe
I was like, damn this.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Did they take it out of bounds? I mean, but that's what great teams do. They don't allow you to get back in a position of resting. And that's what the Knicks want to do. They want to rest. But as long as you attack them and you make them play on the defensive end and you make Carl Anthony Towns accountable, you make Brunson accountable on the defensive end, that is what hurts the Knicks in who's going to. Are you looking at over there? Who's going to score after that? Right?
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Shannon Sharpe
Corre, you said something very interesting. You said the team that plays on the motion and they lost that first game. I don't know if it was they lost the first game or how they lost the first game because we hadn't seen a whole lot of teams lose games like that when they have such a lead with that few, with that amount of time on the clock. So it's like 1,447 when somebody has a nine point lead with like 50 something seconds to go in the ball game. And they lost that ball game and, and they come out and they really couldn't get any separation. They could never get, build up a 10 point lead or 14 point lead like they did in game one. So now everybody is in that building. They're waiting to erupt. The loudest I saw them is when, when Brunson hit that three and they get within three points with like 30 seconds to go in the ball game. Prior to that they were like just sitting, like hoping something could go their way so they could get into the ball game.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Why, why are, why are we so surprised by this? You're talking about. What did they do when they played Cleveland the same game? They kept back at the end of the game and they won. Rick Carlisle, I played with Rick Carlisle as a young player. He was always somebody who got at it and he was at a high pace and he made guys accountable. He does that with this team. The problem that the Knicks have is the fact that you look at that Pacer team, they have championship DNA. Ricardo has it, Siakam has it. Who over there on the Knicks has that championship DNA? Who are you going to ball to at the end of the day? And I think that's the huge problem for them. They are a team right now that's played with great emotion and they've been lucky. They were lucky to beat the Celtics twice in those first two games in Boston. But now, chickens have come home to roost now. But.
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Shannon Sharpe
Jalen Brunson in game two, 36 points, 11 assists on five made threes. Only MJ and LeBron have more 35 point Tennessee playoff games in the Eastern Conference. Jalen Brunson, like I said, in games one and two, he's averaging four, almost 40, 39 and a half, eight assists on 54% shooting. I don't know if it's over cornbread. I think in order for them to have a chance, they've got to win game three. They got to win.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
This over.
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Shannon Sharpe
We've seen them go on the road.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You've always talked about your granny, what she did when she went to check me. What did she do? She stuck a fork in it.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, she stick a fork in it. Yeah, baby. It's done.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
See if any blood came out, if any blood came out of. It wasn't done right. What the Knicks are. I don't. I thought that. I really hated the Laker fans and the Laker fan base. They have nothing on the arrogance of the Knicks when they, when they want these jokers having. And I said that to Steve Mason. I said, oh, I tell you what, act like they've Been there before. And I said, oh, hold on a minute. They haven't. And last time, last time they won the championship, I was in high school. It was my senior year. I'm going to turn 70 years old. So I'm not saying anything bad about them. They played hard. I like what Brunson does. I like what they've done with their team. But I just think the Pacers right now are the better of the two teams and executing, especially at the end of the game and when it really counts, they've done it twice.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I think the thing is. Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead. Make your point.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I was going to say, cornbread, you're not giving the Knicks any chance to come back. Regardless of how the Pacers play, despite how they look the past two games, the Knicks, you know, for. For that matter, you don't give them any chance to come back and make this a series.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Chad, let's go on. Let's. I want to drink beer, but that's. That's been a case. Okay.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Me and you.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
But if they get back, I just don't see them getting back, especially on the emotional end, the same place. I like the way they play. Tibbs has them playing hard, but when you get an Indiana team playing the way they are right now, going home, smelling blood. Smelling blood. What we've seen this team do so far this year, when they smell blood, they turn the Sharks niece, Smith has been big, knocking down shots. This isn't like, you know, you don't. I'm not wishing them bad luck, but I just see again, one team that executes a lot better at the end of those games, and they've won two games, and we shouldn't be surprised.
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Shannon Sharpe
And I think the thing is, it was concerning for me at Ocho. You and I talked about this with Joe the other night is that you got what you got from cat. You got 30 plus points from Cat, you got 43 points from Brunson, and you still lost. So if my big gun. Hey, Corporate, you know this like, hold on, y' all. Two big guys just went off and we still beat y' all. What's the likelihood of y' all doing this? Four, five, six times? Six more times? The likelihood is not Jalen Brunson averaging 43. I don't see that happening. Cat averaging 36. I don't see that happening. And we saw what happened tonight. The difference is they're so dependent on Brunson. Yeah. You see the Pacers, you don't know who's going to be Their leading scorer night tonight, you can bet 98% of the time their leading score is going to be Jalen Brunson.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
No wonder you have one of the top rated shows. The way you analyzing this thing, you wouldn't think you were a damn Laker fan. You really wouldn't. And you know I hate you because of that.
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Shannon Sharpe
I ain't a Laker fan. I'm a LeBron fan.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Well, I don't care if you still wearing that purple and gold. And I hate to see it.
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Shannon Sharpe
I mean, I used to be a Celtic fan. You know, growing up. Bird was my favorite player.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Join, join the crowd there. Come on back. Let me say, come on back home. Come on back to Mayo, okay? Don't worry about that. And I love LeBron. I think he's done so much for this league and man, and I'm kind of like you, I kind of wonder why people hate on him so much for what he's done, especially when it's off the court, you know, all the things he's done on the court. But off the court he's been brilliant. He hasn't been in any trouble. He's gotten kids to go to school. He's a great role model. So again, I don't understand the hatred for LeBron, although I did hate Magic like that, and I still do. So that's a whole nother story.
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Shannon Sharpe
And you look at it, the Knicks, Miles Bridges played 45 minutes, OG played 36, Jalen Brunson played 39. And that's a far cry from what they did the other night. Now, obviously the game went into overtime, so you had an extra five minutes. So you got 48 minutes in regulation, plus another five, that's 53. But those guys played heavy minutes. I'm surprised that more guys didn't play heavy minutes. Like OG wasn't in the 40s, Cat wasn't in the 40s. Josh Hart only played 29 minutes. I thought Josh Hart, he's really. Josh Hart does a little bit of everything. He rebounds, he plays defense, he scores, he assists the basketball. He had one assist, he had one steal, he had one block, and he had six rebounds and six points.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
If he does not put his fingerprint on this series in these next two games. Hey, honey, give me a broom instead.
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Shannon Sharpe
I need to give me a broom.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
If they don't win. And I love Josh Hart. The thing I love about him, he could have played during the 80s because yes, he's tough minded. He goes and he's scrapping. And against the Celtics, he had an imprint on all those games, knocking down shots, getting rebounds. But in this game, this last game, Tush Hart wasn't even effective. And he is the heart and soul of what they do emotionally. And they don't get it from him, who else are they going to get it from?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, and you know he only, he has six points, but he got two of those in the last 30 seconds when he got that late layup. So I was surprised that. I mean, because you got 20 from bridges. Okay, I can live with that. You got 16 from OG only only on 11 shots. You got 20 from Cat on 14 shots. He needs to be somewhere around 18 to 22 shots his damn self. Jalen Brunson, you know he's a volume guy, 13 of 27. He did what he was supposed to do. Jalen Brunson did what he was supposed to do. Now I'm thinking if Josh Hart gives you somewhere 14 like he normally do, like we know he can. But like you said, I agree with you. Graham Cornbread, his imprint, six rebounds, that's not nearly enough. One assist, one steal, one block. That's not the Josh Hart. Josh Hart is somewhere around 8 to 12 points a game. Double digit rebounds, like 7 to 9 assists, if not a triple double, he's that. Getting that personal.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You add on to that, getting steals, making, mixing it up and this in this last game, essentially he was never involved. And that's not the way he. Because you know what he is, he's an energy guy. He's a high energy guy. And when you don't have the energy guy go over there giving you points or, or rebounds or something like that, it's tough. Now what you need to do O, go over there on that bench, Go down that bench. There's about five or six other guys down there. Find me, find me two or three points. Can you find me any points out of that?
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Shannon Sharpe
Kibbs is only. But here's the thing, Cornbread and OO we talked about this the other night with Joe. They only gonna play seven guys, eight guys at the max.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And you know Mitchell Robinson, he's he, he's only going to get your put backs and you're going to get your lob. So you're not running any offense for him. So you really can't really count on him. Say, Mitchell, can you give us 10 to 12? Are you going to run five alley hoops, five lobs? Are you going to get five put backs? I don't think so. And so they look to file him to break the Knicks Momentum. I was surprised he played as many minutes as he did. Think about it. He played more minutes than Cat.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You know, I've never seen a guy as petrified going to the line. I mean, you would think that that is. That's his last meal. You think the Executioners aren't going to come out? He don't want that ball. He's about to get fouled. He can't. And it's smart. And this is what I love about the Pacers. Look how smart they played. Look what they did. And then a key stretch there. Robinson was in the game and they came in and they fouled him.
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Shannon Sharpe
And momentum.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Smart. Smart teams. Yeah, smart teams do that. Both you guys play football. You know what momentum is.
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Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
If you, you either have it or you don't. If you don't have it, all of a sudden you lucky your ass out. And this is the. That's why I think the Knicks right now are pretty much that.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, yeah, I'm surprised that Mitchell Robinson played as many minutes. He played the same amount of minutes as Josh hart. He played one more minute more than Cat. Miles McBride played 25 minutes and they only played eight guys. And you go look at, you go look at the Pacers. They, they played 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. They played 11 guys.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah, yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
I mean, you see, you see?
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah, that's it. That's it. Fresh bodies. Which is so funny. There are about six guys over there on that bench. They score about as many points as I did tonight.
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Shannon Sharpe
I mean, they, they might as well be here with me because.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Because those guys were never involved in the game. Oh, so you know how it is. Sometimes you have guys who are real players and some guys you can have who are perpetrators. Some guys know when the big games happen. I've seen you. I've saw Shannon play before. And in the big games, hey, look, you're stepping up. But then there's some guys in the big games they don't want to be. They don't want that ball, but they don't want to be around it.
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Shannon Sharpe
Foreign.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So what do you, what do you think? What do you think Tibbs does, I mean you. There's only, only five or six or six or seven players like un said that actually play. Does he, does he change up the lineup? Does he add. Allow people to play so you can get those two or three points that you might need that can help you down a stretch?
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah, Tim's isn't like that. Timbs was in Boston with Paul Pierce in that group and they go with the rotation and he saw it. This is the people who got him, this is what he's done and these are the people he's going to go with. Me, I mean I'm looking over there, that Celtic at the roster and I'm looking at the Knicks and I'm trying to think right now. I think, why are some of those Knicks, you know, old school players? Why are they on the floor? Right? I mean, I look at some of them guys like, damn, why, why is that dude right there on the floor? Maybe he should get. Grab one of those guys. My good buddy Bernard Kings there, he could score some points now.
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Shannon Sharpe
Bird dog, bird dog knees bad now, now, hey, hey, Car brand, you know, bird dog knees was bad when he was 29, 30. You know, they shot that at 65.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I saw him walking down the arena. I was like, damn, man. I've gone back and I hated them as a player too. But I really felt bad when I started seeing some of the things right now that happened. But the Knicks, they're going to have to find a formula or going to have to grab one of those guys at the end of the bench and try to get a spark. Tibbs is going to have to change what he does because what he's doing right now with the two games, you're close. As you guys know, close comes in horseshoes and nuclear war. That's the only, that's the only way Close comes in. And I just don't think that this team right now has enough at the end of the day going in. It's like when I saw you look at the stat sheet before we came on, you know, Shannon, you were looking down like somebody had just on the stat. I said, dude, what's wrong? Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
And, and, but if you notice, look at the teams that have deep benches. Look at okc. Look how many people. Look how many people Minnesota play. You see OKC playing 10, 11 people. Indiana playing 10, 11 people. You burn them out because Tibbs play those guys heavy minutes in the regular season. So you can imagine now they went. Now they had a short series with Boston, but they had a very long series with Detroit and they had to play heavy minutes. Even though it was a short series, they played heavy minutes. And so now you come into physical.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Physical minutes. Yeah, that's the thing you talk about. You add physicality in with long minutes, man, that doubles the output of what you're talking about being physical.
- [28:32]
Shannon Sharpe
And there's something called expectations. So you see, the Knicks didn't have these expectations when they played Boston. Boston was the prohibitive favorite. Now how does it feel? You're no longer the hunter, you're the hunted.
- [28:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [28:49]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Oh, as they say, when we playing all fun and games until the damn rabbit gets the damn gun. Yeah, that's how it goes out. So I look at this team and the Knicks were. They played well. Detroit had a chance to beat them. They did at Boston had a chance to beat them. But they play well enough that they won. Now as you said, they are the darlings of the city right now. The darlings of the city. So now the expectations you talk about is on some of these guys shoulder. And it looks like it might just be a little heavyweight.
- [29:25]
Shannon Sharpe
First time going to the NBA finals and since what, 25 and a quarter century. Oh, everybody's talking about that. Oh, man, this might be our chance to get our first championship in 50 plus years. Everybody's looking at that. And so you're looking, you looking past Andy. Oh, like Andy's looking at like hell. This our first chance to go to the NBA Finals in 20 plus years too. We ain't never won one.
- [29:48]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You're right. I love the look on John Stark's face today. I was like, he always just crumpled over. And these are the same guys and your guy, Bernard, Keith, text me after the game that the Knicks won the first two, text me and say, keep your head up, big fella. You gotta be rubbing, rubbing it in or it makes you laugh, makes you cry sometimes.
- [30:14]
Shannon Sharpe
It absolutely will. The all NBA teams were just announced on the first team. All NBA. Giannis Antetokounmpo, Shay Gilgis Alexander, Nicola Jokic, Donovan Mitchell, Jason Tatum. Any surprises there?
- [30:30]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
No, I think those guys, to me, Tatum was great. Shay was the mvp. And you could look at Jokic. Is Jokic right now maybe the best Maybe the best player that. One of the best players we've seen at that position. And no offense. I love Kareem. I love Kareem. I love Wilkins. But when you look at Jokic, his body of work, what he's able to do, he said he's turned into a monster all of a sudden.
- [30:56]
Shannon Sharpe
I thought she was about to say, maybe he's the best player in the game. I can say, you could drop that maybe. Oh, yeah, he is the best player now he's working on world. When he's done, the question is, where do we put him? Because you mentioned. You mentioned Shaq, you mentioned Russell, you mentioned Will you mention Kareem? Okay. Olajuwon, Moses, whatever the case may be. I just named six guys who many believe are six of the best centers to ever play the game. David Robinson, wherever the case may be, when it's all said and done, where are we going to put Nikola Jokic?
- [31:29]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
This is why I will change Jokic. He is the best player right now. But what he doesn't do, he doesn't control the defensive end. That's what made Elijah one to me and I play with.
- [31:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, he's the best. The best defensive center ever.
- [31:46]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
The greatest player ever to play the game is Akeem Olajuwon. Let me tell you why, because he did it on both ends. Michael controls his man, defensively, his man. But Akeem controlled the game on both ends of the floor like nobody else has ever done. Both ends, not one end. Russell controlled it on the defensive end. You know, Wilt control it on the offensive end. You look all the other, but you look at Olajuwon. There is nobody like that. That young African that I played with, that was. I thought he was killing lions the way he played. He was a beast. He was a.
- [32:23]
Shannon Sharpe
He was. He was. He was special. He was. He was special because like you said, he could do it all. Hey, the fade away. He had to drop step. He had the moves. Oh, man. Hey, fake here, and next thing you know, he's dunking it over there. I mean, and the defensive man, but that's right.
- [32:39]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
And then add defense in that. He is blocking shots. He's letting the league. He was leading the league in steals. He's one of the few guys in the NBA history that had a quadruple, though.
- [32:51]
Shannon Sharpe
You remember the first one, they had cornbread. He had it. And they ended up taking a rebound away from him. So he didn't get it. He came back the next night, two nights later and got another one.
- [33:00]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I'mma do it. You know what? You want to take it from me? I'm going to show you how to get it done again. Yes.
- [33:06]
Shannon Sharpe
The second team all NBA team. Jalen Brunson, Steph Curry, Ant Edwards, LeBron James, Evan Mobley. You remember Cornbread, the way they used to do it, they used to take two guards. They used to take a center and a small and a big. Now they say it's positionless. You might have five guards, be all first team all NBA. You might have five bigs, be first team all NBA. Because if you look, you basically got three guards with Brunson, Curry and Ant, man, and then you basically got two forwards, LeBron and Evan Mobley.
- [33:42]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
The game has changed from what I knew in my era. You know, I had 13 for my entire career. I look at Steph Curry right now. Steph Curry, as much as I think about him, he changed the game. He has changed the game. I talked to his dad and I said, man, your son, I hate the fact he's changed the game. He's destroyed the NBA the way. And his dad said, you know what? There are a lot of shot takers, but not a lot of shot makers. And when you think about that boy, his quick release, his handling of the basketball, I didn't see it coming. I asked his dad, I said, did you see him being that good? His dad said, no, I didn't see this. So the second team you picked up, I think you could, you know, could easily say that that qualifies. Chad Hungren was a guy I might want to put in there because of the. The record that Minnesota had.
- [34:32]
Shannon Sharpe
That might happen. But they did have another guy that make it. The third team all NBA selection was Cade Cunningham because he was an All NBA selection. He gets another $45 million added to his max contract that he signed last off season. Ocho, Tyrese, Halliburton. Okay. James Harden, Cat Carl, Anthony Towns, and last but not least, Jalen Williams. So OKC did have two guys to make the all NBA team. And remember, Lou Dort made the all defensive team. So they got three guys. That's on. That's an all NBA selection. Two on basically the offensive side, the other two and the other one on the defensive side.
- [35:11]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Here's the thing that I love about that, but I'm a hate is the fact the NBA rules salary caps is going to destroy that particular team because you can't keep that team together. No, no, no, no, no okc. So you're going to make it so that, you know, I love super teams. I didn't like the Lakers when they're winning, obviously, but love is. I love the Bulls, you know, I love the dominant teams like that. But, you know, now, because you have the salary cap structures and, and the aprons that they talk about, OKC is not going to have all those guys. They're the man.
- [35:44]
Shannon Sharpe
They made it cost prohibitive. They didn't want any more super teams anymore.
- [35:47]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Why? Why you love super teams?
- [35:50]
Shannon Sharpe
But they. But Cor. Red. See, that's what I tell people. See. Cause a lot of times they tell, oh, LeBron. Did I say there were always super teams? What the hell do you think the Lakers were? What do you think the Celtics were in the 80s? They were a super team. You talk about bird, Mikel Parish, D.J. they had tiny Archibald one year. They had Bill Walton, who was the sixth man who I got traded for. Oh, Bill Walton. Yeah.
- [36:16]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Damn, that hurt. That hurt.
- [36:19]
Shannon Sharpe
And you got. And you got Magic. Think about it. You got Magic, Kareem James Worthy. You got Michael Thompson.
- [36:26]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah.
- [36:27]
Shannon Sharpe
You got Jamal. Come on, people. That was a super team. See, here's the thing, people. Like, if you. If the general manager put a super team together, we're okay with that. We don't want the players to say, well, you know what? I like cornbread. Hey, man, I like bread, too. And oo, what you think about going enjoying bread over there? Such and such. No, they don't like that.
- [36:49]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
But if a team.
- [36:50]
Shannon Sharpe
But if the general manager puts it together, we got no problem with that.
- [36:54]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Well, how do you feel right now, you or OO feel about what happened in Dallas? Dallas goes away, gets Serena Luca. Hey, like that, big fella. How does that taste to Bull? They give her Luca and then they turn around and they get the kid from Duke. This seems like it wouldn't. They're going to be dangerous next year. They are. If they can get healthy and you got Kyrie Irving coming back, that team could be really dangerous. And to me, what it does is pushes the Lakers that much further down. I don't want to see.
- [37:24]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't want to smell like, hey, but let me ask you this. The Mavericks do have that first pick. Now, there's going to be a conversation sometime in the coming days between Giannis and Milwaukee's front office. Would you be willing to part with that number in the overall draft pick for an opportunity to bring Giannis and pair him with AD and Kyrie when he comes back?
- [37:47]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Bye bye, first round draft choice. Look, I don't know what Cooper might do, but I know what Giannis is doing. So if I had a chance to do it and reset my program, and if you're Milwaukee, you know you're going to lose Giannis. Yeah, I go out, I make that trade, I grab some pieces, and I get ready for the future. But, you know, in that case, yeah, I. I make that deal all day because we know what Giannis is capable of doing. He's a proven product, Shannon Ojo. That's what he is. He's a proven. He's not. He is not a bus rider. He's a damn bus driver. And that's what.
- [38:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on, Cornbread, I got a question for you. Let's say they get rid of Cooper flag, right? Does go to the Bucs. Does Giannis come in and automatically, automatically make the Mavs a championship contender?
- [38:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely, I think, yeah.
- [38:41]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah, he. Because one thing he's going to bring in, that physicality, that's something that the Mavs have not had. So you say, you get. If you get him, you get Anthony Davis and you get Calvary. Those guys healthy and put together, man, all day. I look at the mass right now and. And I'll. I'll come here. Anybody that knows him, I said fire, Nico, fire.
- [39:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Good. Exactly.
- [39:06]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Good job, Nico.
- [39:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Good job.
- [39:10]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Oh, here's a question I have to ask you, though, since you, you know, you. You're a pretty physical guy. What, are you going to go ahead and grab the guy who came to LA and take him out and run him up and down the beach? You gonna go out and grab.
- [39:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, you saw. Hey, you saw him. He been in the gym, he eat his wife preparing good meals for him. You see that?
- [39:30]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah.
- [39:30]
Shannon Sharpe
You see his body? He's starting to look good.
- [39:32]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You can. You, you know what? You can prepare them meal. But Oliver Miller, when he played down in Phoenix, they had a basketball, and then he was running the fight. He have a ball boy going, getting them hamburgers. So until I see. Until I see him, until I see him in that position, Luka, you know, he has to be in shape. And I would he. And look, he's around the place where you're going to get in shape in LA. The stars, the bodies, LeBron James, the best we've seen right now, stand in shape. You're there. I mean, I grabbed one of you guys right now, man, I give you a million dollars. Just take me on a program and regiment to get my body and shit.
- [40:12]
Shannon Sharpe
I got you.
- [40:13]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Okay, okay.
- [40:14]
Shannon Sharpe
But you know the thing, Cornbread, and I tell people this all the time. It's easy to get in shape in the off season.
- [40:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [40:21]
Shannon Sharpe
It's like it's in a basketball player. It's getting in late at night, at three o' clock in the morning and making the right decisions. I ain't gonna eat no pizza. I'm not gonna eat nothing fast food. I'm not gonna eat anything processed. So that's the problem that the guys have. They get out their game and they grab chicken and it's not baked or it's not, you know, it's not roasted.
- [40:40]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Shannon. That's not true. That's not true. I hate to butcher bubble, but now they have meals prepared for them out.
- [40:47]
Shannon Sharpe
They don't want that.
- [40:48]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
No. A lot of them eat it. A lot of them come off the. Well, a lot of them come in on the bus and they have meals which you prepare for them. So the guys don't eat like we did during the 80s, 1984, getting ready to play the Lakers. I had a Big Mac super sized my fry, a large orange soda and. And this is before the damn game. So that's how we ate during that time.
- [41:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [41:13]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Now players have an opportunity. It was. I look at these guys now, they have a. They have a chef in the morning, they have dinner. They have lunch cooked for them. They have dinner after the game. I mean, I don't even know why they get per diem. I mean to me it's, it's, it's amazing the way and I love it. I'm not jealous at all. I love the way our players are being taken care of.
- [41:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho, we had this conversation. Think about it. In NFL, they get breakfast prepared for them, they get lunch prepared for them and they get dinner prepared after. They watch after they meeting and to take home with them.
- [41:47]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah.
- [41:48]
Shannon Sharpe
How can you be out of shape? And with all that state of the art equipment they got. They got physio, they got massage therapists, they got cryo, they got infrared corporate, they got every. I'm talking about state. When I say state of the art.
- [42:01]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah.
- [42:01]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm talking about 50 and 70 $500 million facilities.
- [42:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [42:04]
Shannon Sharpe
There is no reason.
- [42:07]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on. But you know everything you just said cornbread to everything uncle just said. They have the state of all of everything. They have everything that they need at their beck and call. But for some reason, I don't know why. More injuries. Injuries are more prevalent today. Everyone seems getting hurt.
- [42:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Cornbread.
- [42:23]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I remember back in the day and matter of fact, I'm not too far from you. I remember back in the day we used to play outside when you were young and you go in the house and get your glass of water during the summer. No, what you what your grandma, your mama told you go drink water holes on the side of the house.
- [42:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
- [42:40]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
We weren't getting hurt back then.
- [42:41]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't understand what the problem is.
- [42:42]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You be old school.
- [42:43]
Shannon Sharpe
And I.
- [42:44]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
And. And here's the thing. I look at the Boston Celtics, have one of the best players around be Jason Tatum.
- [42:49]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [42:50]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
The thing, I felt like Jason Tatum got hurt. It wasn't because he didn't train hard enough. I just think he played too much basketball. He played during the Olympics, he played during the championship. And here's my true belief. If you don't rest your body, your body's gonna rest you. And you have the. You've seen it before when you and I played. I know when I played during the 80s, when we got through playing, the boys who tell us, man, take three months off, don't do it.
- [43:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, we take. Yeah.
- [43:20]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Now these guys go year round. And Unc and Ocho, I tell you, this is what I hate. I hate the fact that they. Damn. Changing jerseys and laughing at each other. I hate that. Oh, my God. I hate that. I hate that. There's nothing I hate more than that. 1983, we're playing the 76ers in an exhibition game in Knoxville, Tennessee. We went and we won the game. We went and got in the restaurant, we went there and ate. The 76ers got there after us. They saw that we were there, they hated us so bad, they left the damn restaurant, didn't even eat. That's how pissed off they were.
- [44:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Because in 81, y' all had. They had y' all down 3:1 and y' all came back. You remember that, Brian?
- [44:10]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
They remember better than we did. Watch this. This is how it goes off like this.
- [44:18]
Shannon Sharpe
They did. They. I. I thought about. I thought the Boston Strayler, Andrew, Tony, I thought he. I thought. I thought they had y' all. I thought they had your brand.
- [44:27]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
He was. He was absolutely a beast.
- [44:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [44:31]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
And I talked to. I was talking to a couple of 76s, guys, motiques in particular. He said, man, I've never played in a more physical series than we had during the 80s. And those were just great series that if you go back and you. To them, these games won by everyone was won by one or two points.
- [44:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Two points.
- [44:49]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
The last. Last five games we played, the separation was about six points. So, yeah, they were physical games. I understand it's a different era, and I love these guys but, man, the money that these guys make now, they shouldn't.
- [45:03]
Shannon Sharpe
It shouldn't. It should be no issue. And I don't know if I've ever seen this before. You had four unanimous selections on the all NBA team. Giannis was a unanimous. He got 100 first place votes. Shay was a unanimous 100 first place votes. Nicola Jokic, 100 first place votes. Jason Tatum. 100 first place votes.
- [45:25]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Man, somebody gotta have some balls and break away from that, please. Ain't nobody could go 100. Shannon, you're oto know ain't nobody go 100% of nothing. Come on.
- [45:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. What power forward you giving a vote and taking it from Giannis? What guard you taking a vote from and giving it. What guard? You What?
- [45:48]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Shay.
- [45:48]
Shannon Sharpe
You taking a vote from Shay and giving it to somebody else? Okay, what big are you taking a vote from Nikola Jokic and giving him two?
- [45:55]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Jt, you know, when you write goddamn Shannon, you right, that's all. I. I can't argue with you. I take a sip of the soda. You. You're right. I can't argue with that. Those are points which are valid, but I just don't. It's just hard for me to see a guy get a hundred percent of anything. You're not right. People say this thing like, you know What? I work 110 can't work 110 can't do it. That's all you can get.
- [46:24]
Shannon Sharpe
But that's all you got.
- [46:25]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
100. No, you, you worked 100%. That's it.
- [46:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Jayson Tatum was named All NBA First Team for the fourth straight year. Cornbread. It doesn't look like it's going to be a fifth consecutive year because he's not going. He went to the same surgeon that did Kevin Durant's. Now, if you remember Kevin Durant, it happened in June of 2019. Kevin Durant, you know, 2019 rolls around, he doesn't play it. 20, 20 rolls around, they go into the bubble, he doesn't play. So he took off a total of, if I'm not mistaken, about 18 months. Now, I'm not saying Jayson Tatum is going to take off that amount of time, but if you look at Kevin Durant, if somebody didn't tell you he has suffered a tornadic Achilles, you wouldn't know it because he picked right back up where he left off.
- [47:13]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I totally agree with you. But here's the difference. One is age. Jayson Tatum is 25. 26.
- [47:20]
Shannon Sharpe
26.
- [47:21]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
When what happened. When you think of Kevin, when they heard that he was almost 30 something.
- [47:26]
Shannon Sharpe
So yeah, he was 29, 30.
- [47:28]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I always said as a broadcaster, I see guys fall down when they're in the 20s. I said, oh, he hurt and damn boneless, ain't even formed yet. His muscles still, I think, Tatum, his recovery will probably be easier because he's a yacht a lot younger and he doesn't have as many miles. But like you, I don't, I don't foresee him coming back, you know, for this coming year because I think that if you look at this team, Brad Stevens has an opportunity right now to reset and he's going to have to reset because of the salary structure. I'm not sure if it's going to.
- [48:00]
Shannon Sharpe
Be Poingas ain't coming back. That's one not coming back.
- [48:03]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Wow.
- [48:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Wow. You guys, you know that I know that.
- [48:06]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You got it.
- [48:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Now the question is, are you bringing Derrick White and Holiday back? Cause they both got big salaries. What are you going to do with Al Horford? Okay, you're probably going to keep JB because you're going to be without JT. But I'm not so sure that when JT comes back, it's hard having two players making 300 mil.
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Shannon Sharpe
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
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Shannon Sharpe
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Shannon Sharpe
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Rock, paper, scissors for it.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Rock, paper, scissors.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
No, the Wells Fargo active cash credit card card. Visit Wells Fargo.com ActiveCash Terms apply. JB is a great player. Yeah, but what happened to Giannis, this. What happened this year with Luca this year. All bets are off now.
- [51:19]
Shannon Sharpe
I totally agree.
- [51:20]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Anybody can be moved in this league now, you know, don't get too stuck up on being around. You might be moved so in Brad Stevens because he's going to have the flexibility of when he won a championship. Joe Missoula is a great coach. Can Joe Missoula have team right now that is going to probably struggle a little bit coming out of the gate because you don't have that great player. So I think it's going to be a total reset. I believe it's going to be a facelift for the Celtics. And then on top of that, you have a new.
- [51:51]
Shannon Sharpe
A new regime.
- [51:53]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
And you know, the. The. He's. He paid 6. $6 billion for this. 6.1. Yeah. So, I mean, I know that's chicken change to you and your brothers, but you know, for me. Yeah, I know. That's why. I don't understand why I can't. I can't find a dollar and I can't kill one.
- [52:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Brent, I take the. I take the point one. You keep the things, man. Just Give me the point one, Ocho. I'll be. I'll be happy with that. But I think the thing is what the teams. This Luca trade, it tells me. I don't know what it tells you, Ocho. I'll be interested to hear what you and Brad think is that team, like, we're not going to let y' all the great players hold us hostage. We'll move your ass because y' all had too much power. I mean, don't get me wrong, superstars had some power. They've never had the kind of control that these guys got.
- [52:44]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Right.
- [52:44]
Shannon Sharpe
I heard Bird talking. Bird said they didn't run nothing by me. Hey, I just. Hey, I go in the locker room, but I got a new teammate. They ain't ask me.
- [52:52]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Nah, that. Hold on a minute. That's a lie.
- [52:56]
Shannon Sharpe
I gotta get it out of here. I get it out of my. I love.
- [52:59]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I love Larry, but when I got traded in 1985 or 86 with Bill Walton, they ran that by Larry.
- [53:08]
Shannon Sharpe
And he signed off on it.
- [53:09]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah, he signed off on it.
- [53:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, Brad, I'm sorry to hear that.
- [53:12]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I'm not believing you. You saying a lot of stuff, but players, players did have a little bit of power, but now they have so much more because they are a commodity. They are. This is. This is a. A Fortune 500 when you get one guy right now. So, I mean, their ability to control games, to manipulate teams, teams bend over backwards, you know, on the road right now. You know, when I. I was in the NBA, we had to wash your own row uniforms my first couple years.
- [53:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Damn.
- [53:45]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Oh, yeah. So, yeah, you know what?
- [53:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Charles Barkley said that, yeah, guys will.
- [53:51]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Go on a two week road trip. And there was some guys who were so nasty, they wouldn't even wash the uniform. You would grab that uniform and you could throw it up and throw it down on the floor and it would stand up by.
- [54:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Stand up on it. Yeah, that's. That's. I seen him like that.
- [54:05]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You're like, you ain't go. Who. Why would you want to guard that smelly guy right there? So, I mean, it was a different time. I appreciate what the teams are doing. I appreciate the players. They are tremendous athletes. But I tell you what, I would. I'd be hard pressed to find some guys right now. As you talk about. And on all that smoke. They. They don't want these.
- [54:25]
Shannon Sharpe
They, they.
- [54:26]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
They ain't looking for.
- [54:27]
Shannon Sharpe
They.
- [54:27]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
They come in and they talk a lot, but, you know, those guys want that.
- [54:30]
Shannon Sharpe
No, but see back there, hey, you could Be talking all kind of crazy to somebody. They swing on you back. But, you know, back then, you wasn't getting fined with 1500. Now they put a fine on you. Now you might lose a million, $2 million. Cornbread. Them guys like, dog.
- [54:44]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
What's the million dollars you got making $70 million? What's that?
- [54:49]
Shannon Sharpe
I. I ain't giving away no money.
- [54:50]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I know you. I know you're not, but I'm just talking the way the league is now. How many times we seen Draymond get. Draymond get fined? He's been fined over a couple million dollars. A couple of million. He's giving money back. So. So guys aren't afraid now when you start talking about that money. But I don't think no guys want to fight, Ocho. I don't think nobody want to fight no more. Ain't nobody. Because we saw Shannon. We saw Shannon at the Laker game. I think.
- [55:18]
Shannon Sharpe
There you go. There you go. I ain't want no smoke. I ain't want no smoke. You.
- [55:24]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
No, no, no. When you walk, when you take a foot on the floor and start pointing to a guy. Yeah. OO Come on, now, you.
- [55:33]
Shannon Sharpe
I look down, I'm like, I ain't on the court. I made sure I wasn't on the court. I ain't do. I ain't do what H. Daddy did. I ain't run up on the court. Nobody. You know what I'm saying? Let ask you a question for OO.
- [55:47]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
OO didn't even want something. That smoke.
- [55:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He wanted that smoke, bro.
- [55:50]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah.
- [55:51]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, smoke was coming out his ears, you know.
- [55:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Look how I was dressed. Don't joke, man. I had a $4,000 car to get old. I was. You know, I was like, hey, hey. Well, nothing.
- [56:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, you had a what?
- [56:02]
Shannon Sharpe
You know, a little car to get a little something I had on, you know?
- [56:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, okay.
- [56:05]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Well, yeah, you know what? Yeah. Your grandma's flipping right now in. In up in heaven, telling me he got a 4000. You told me so many stories about how much money you guys didn't have, and now you talking about you were heather cardigan for $4,000.
- [56:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, hey, corporate, you from the South. You know, it wasn't money. Money wasn't flowing like it is now.
- [56:27]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Couldn't. Couldn't do it at all. My. My father would grab my gr. My father would give me a dollar, and he asked me next week. Didn't I give you a dollar last week?
- [56:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. How long you think that dollar gonna last?
- [56:41]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
So it is a different thing.
- [56:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Let me Ask you this cornbread, tell me how impressive you think this is. LeBron James made his 21st all NBA team at the age of 40. And this is what he tweeted. He said, all NBA at 40. Low key. Crazy to me right now, sitting here watching the playoffs and just thinking about it. Blessed beyond. I can't even imagine. Absolutely. How impressive do you think we'll see another player like LeBron?
- [57:08]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
No, no, no. Not, not. Because the genetics, the circumstances, all the stuff, the will to win, the work ethic, that's what, that's what makes him, to me, the goat. When I start thinking about, oh, I know you turn your head when I said that. You look.
- [57:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, I like that. Go, go ahead, talk about. Go ahead, talk about. I'm going. Sit back. I'm just gonna listen. Go ahead.
- [57:27]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Only reason I say that is because of what he's done over this whole period of time. The number of points. Everybody talks about his losses and the playoffs, well, he got there. Don't, don't, don't forget this. Wrong. But Michael Jordan, his first couple years, got swept. Swept. Didn't win, didn't win a game. So I think that the goat conversation to me is really different. But I am a huge fan of who LeBron is and what he's done on and off the court. But at this age right now, to be relevant in the NBA, just be damn relevant is already always just crazy.
- [58:05]
Shannon Sharpe
All right, this is what Mike Wilbon had to say earlier. We know who Mike Wilbon is. He says, I'm not going to sit here and say that LeBron James has to be considered better than Magic Johnson. That's garbage. I'm not going to say LeBron James has to be considered better than Bill Russell. That's garbage. I'm not going to sit here and say LeBron James has to be considered better than Kobe Bryant. That's garbage. LeBron James is one of the greatest players of all time in all team sports. I'm sorry if that's not good enough. Turn the page. Get over yourself. In other words, I'm not going to proclaim and Support and wave LeBron James flag for greatness, but if I say he's less than number two, that's not good enough for you. To hell with you. Well, I mean, if you're not gonna say so, why would you say he's number two? If you're not gonna say he the greatest, if you're not gonna say he's, he's better than those guys that you mentioned, why would you Even say anything about him being number two. Yeah.
- [58:55]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You know, I think that people like to say, because you're in the conversation, you made one of the best points I think I've ever heard. When you did your hall of Fame speech, when you talked about, you know, your brother.
- [59:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
- [59:07]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
And then that. And I'm not a cheerful person and I don't like you. I didn't like you that way. But when you said that I am not the greatest player in my household, that to me, told me who you were as a person. Because of my. Because of what LeBron James has done, the way he's been brought up. You know, mother, mother doesn't know his father, what he's done, how he's educated himself. I look at the totality of who that man is and what he's done on the basketball horizon. He's playing. There are guys right now who's playing Will, who are. He's 20, 25 years old.
- [59:48]
Shannon Sharpe
He wants to be their dad.
- [59:49]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Crazy. Yeah, well, we ain't gonna say he is their daddy, but we just, we let that go. The DNA test might be out there one day. Who knows?
- [60:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, you know what's funny though, Uncle Cornbread, when you think about it, I think about the conversation. When it comes to the greats, when it comes to two greats like this in basketball, you talk about football, you come to the greats, you talk about Tom Brady's and your Steve Youngs and your Patrick Mahomes. The Jordan LeBron conversation to me is one that will never end. That's based on preference on who someone likes. And I think the conversation itself is something that will continue to go on and on and on. It will have a never ending story because there's so many variables that go into it and what people to them makes that individual their goat. Yeah, it's like one of those things that I personally would stay away from because it's never ending debate. We like three things that I've always stayed away from. When it comes to being on a certain platform, or any platform for that matter, that is never ending. Race, religion, politics, and politics. It's never ending and it can go on and on. And depending on who you talk to, you could be there for 24 hours because there will always be something to discuss and something to talk about. The LeBron Jordan debate, man, it's just one that just.
- [61:11]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
But here.
- [61:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Never see the light of day.
- [61:13]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Here's the beauty about that. That he's in the conversation. That he's in the conversation. If you're One of the top. One of the top five players ever to play the game, period. That's enough for me. I don't need no more than that. You don't need to be whoever, the best. No. He's one of the top guys to ever lace his shoes up. Although he is the Laker now. And I hate him because of that. I hate him because of that. I still respect him because just like Magic Johnson, I don't like Magic, but I respect him for what he's done for, you know, the people that. The black people in the communities, what he's done for the people who have aids, for entrepreneurs, all that stuff. I respect him for that. Now, if he. If I would do this. If I wouldn't give him. I wouldn't give him a glass of if. If he was on fire, I wouldn't.
- [62:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Pour the water on.
- [62:11]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I drink it because that's how.
- [62:17]
Shannon Sharpe
I just think. Look, it's easy to say that because I think Michael, I think Will Bond does have a great relationship with Jordan because I've heard him have other takes on other being the greatest. When he talks about boxers and he talks about Ali and other sports that he said that he feels very comfortable saying this, but it just so happens, this discussion, that he's not going to say that.
- [62:37]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
That's his boy. Come on. That's his boy. Okay.
- [62:40]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm just saying because I've heard him have other discussions where he had no problem.
- [62:45]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Michael Wilbourne. But that's his boy. Mike. Is his boy Mike in Chicago. Michael, we're born in Chicago. You can't go against that man.
- [62:55]
Shannon Sharpe
And I get it.
- [62:55]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah.
- [62:56]
Shannon Sharpe
Say that.
- [62:56]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Yeah.
- [62:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Because a lot of times when people ask me a question, look, man, I'm biased. Yeah. I played with John Elway, so I. Y' all want me to say no? Come on now, my brother, in certain situations, I'm biased. I'm not going to be able to. I can't separate it. Most of the time I can. I can be objective. But in this situation, when I'm talking about a family or something like that, I'm biased. No, I can't separate the two.
- [63:18]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I walked in the room my first year, my second year in the league, I was averaging 18 and 10. There was a white guy that came on the court for our first practice, and I gave him a clap like this great white hope. And it was Larry Joe Byrd. Let me tell you what. By the time that practice ended, I went to the first black person I could see. I said, you know what a damn white guy can play down there. So I learned the thing. You don't judge a book by its cover. You really don't. And, you know, God's a funny guy. God doesn't give me one, but God gives me the two best white players ever to play together in Bird and McHale. And I dare say I might have the white. The best white team ever. When I think about if I get those two and I put Havlicek in there, I put Dave Cowers in there, I put Pete Maverick in there, all white teeth. I got it. I got it now. Hands pat in basketball, so I was prejudiced as a player, but my God, those guys could play the game at a high level.
- [64:25]
Shannon Sharpe
You want to talk about this? Michael Beasley also chimed in on the Jordan, LeBron debate. With Jordan, they don't talk about negativity. But with LeBron, we watch his good, his bad, we watch his ups, his downs, and he's been so great, we don't have anything else to say. So we talk about his son.
- [64:41]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Well, here's the thing. During his era, there wasn't social media like it is now. Oh, yeah, that's the kicker. Unk. You know, you and you and Ocho. You know how social media is, Uncle.
- [64:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
- [64:57]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I'm all over the paper. Social media. You never read about some of the things some of the people have done and said a social media has changed the landscape for any athlete out. And if you don't understand it, then you're a fool out there. I said that. I mean, Joe Mazzola said, I want to insulate Jason Tatum. I said, joe, you can. He said what I said because of social media. That man got 5, 6, 7 million people following him every time he's doing every commercial out there. God bless. But you cannot have the good without, the bad without. And people report on it because social media is so big now.
- [65:36]
Shannon Sharpe
It absolutely is. And Jordan has said it. But say he don't know how he could have handled social media, because think about how he's done. You know, how he's been able to sculpt his life now. He's been in a bubble from the first, from 84. I mean, he doesn't know what it's like to have a normal life. He can't go anywhere. He can't go to the movies. He got to rent the whole movie theater out. He can't go to the. He couldn't take his kids to the skating rink. He had to rent the whole skating rink out. So LeBron is the same way. I mean, LeBron moves a little bit more freely than Jordan. I mean, because you really never saw Jordan at events like what you see LeBron going to a high school basketball game or pulling up at a college game. It's just so hard for him to be.
- [66:16]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
I wouldn't want LeBron. LeBron loves the social media. He dictates and he acts in a way that he is able to orchestrate. Some of the things with the social media that doesn't happen when you talk about LeBron, when you talk about what happened on with Jordan. Jordan was looked at as this guy, and from then on, he didn't worry about it. You said, and then you saw how he was exposed when it was the last dance. I had Robert Paris on my podcast, he said, he said, let me tell you right now, he said, michael Jordan is a damn bullet. He said, we played him and. And I was on his team that dime and we beat him. And then after the game, he said, they were in the locker room, he said, Michael was standing there and he said, michael, how you like the mass kickers we gave today? And Michael said, if you keep talking, I'll kick your ass. Well, my buddy Rob, Robert Paris said, look, you and nobody else. And Robert walked up to him and said, you know what? I got rings already before I got here. So there was some exposure to who Michael Jordan was as a player.
- [67:21]
Shannon Sharpe
I admire him.
- [67:22]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
He's from North Carolina, from Wilmington, right down the street from my hometown of Kingston. Squad. I understand who he is, but nobody would have ever thought that we would have had a guy that would become that big, that big in basketball. And I played with the Birds, I played with Magic. But none of those guys will ever rank what Jordan has done. A standpoint of being on that route, Mount Rushmore. Except maybe LeBron James, the shoe.
- [67:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Because Cornbread, you remember, like guys had shoes like Moses Malone and Iceman, they wore Nike. Nike wasn't that big back in the late 70s, early 80s until Jordan took it over. And then you had the weapons, the cons, bird water cons, magic water cons. Dr. J made the con really famous. But when they retired, okay, the shoe went away. Anybody. Wasn't nobody else rocking the weapons and the Jordan, the birds and the magic. But Jordan, Jordan ain't dribbled a basketball in 25 years. Yeah, and he still got the number one selling shoe.
- [68:24]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
You write about that and people say that right now about his ex wife, Juanita. How the hell do you try to go date her when you walking up in his shoes? How you. Hey, Baby, how you doing? Whoa, what you got on your.
- [68:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Whoa, whoa. Take the shoes off. You'll come before you come in here.
- [68:39]
Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
So, man, you guys, you know what? Let me tell you this before I go. You guys have been brilliant. I am so appreciative of being on your show. I can't wait to come back and thank you, bro. I see. When I see you two young black men working and doing what you've done, man, to me, I just, look, you're young, you're black, you get brilliant. And always remember who you are. And that's why I love both you guys. So corporate.
- [69:04]
Shannon Sharpe
I appreciate that, man. Thanks for coming on. When you get another moment, stop back by. Cause probably when you come back by the Lakers, probably be having. Hey, Ojo. We spent like 20 minutes trying to get him set up with the camera talking to him and his wife talking through it. So he had his camera on. He'd been on there for like an hour. He wait till he been there for an hour. That was corporate. Maxwell, the 1981 Finals MVP over the Houston Rockets where they had Moses Malone on that team. I'm trying to think of all the players that they had on that team. I think they had. Who else was on that team?
- [69:44]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Moses Malone.
- [69:46]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm trying to think. I don't think Rodney McCray was on that team yet. I think he was on the 86 team, but the Celtics beat them in six games. But yeah, it was great to have cornbread on, man. I know, like I said, I used to follow the Boston Celtics. That was my team. Larry Bird was my guy. And it was great to have cornbread on. So cornbread, when you get a chance, stop back by the volume.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
Check.
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Cedric Cornbread Maxwell
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