Nightcap Hour 1: Patrick Mahomes COOKS the Commanders + Vikings MAKE MISTAKE moving on from Sam Darnold + Kevin Stefanski NOT FOCUSED on Shedeur + Jerry Jones MISSES Micah Parsons

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1 (October 28, 2025)

Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap dives into the latest NFL action and drama, led by Shannon "Unc" Sharpe and Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson. The main topics include Patrick Mahomes' dominating performance against the Commanders, the Vikings' questionable decision to move on from Sam Darnold, the Browns' quarterback conundrum involving Shedeur Sanders, and Jerry Jones’ regret after losing Micah Parsons. The hosts bring their usual witty, passionate, and unfiltered style to all discussions.

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Chiefs vs Commanders: Patrick Mahomes Puts on a Clinic

Segment Start: [06:09]

Game Recap & Analysis

• The Chiefs opened the second half with three consecutive scoring drives, pulling away from the Commanders to win 28-7.
• Unc: "Patrick Mahomes tosses three touchdown passes in the second half as they win comfortably 28 to 7."
• Unc: "The Commanders squandered too many opportunities in the first half... when you're on the road and you don't take advantage, when a team gets their rhythm, especially at home, they're gonna pull away." [06:09]

Mahomes’ Mastery & Commanders’ Misses

• Breakdown of poor receiver play by Hollywood Brown leading to turnovers.
  • Ocho: "That route was a terrible route by Hollywood Brown. Even Mahomes went to the sideline, bro. And you noticed he disappeared after that, didn't he?" [07:08]
• Unc: "Regardless of what route you running, you always have to stay friendly to your quarterback and understand...how to not only get open, but continue to create separation..." [07:25]
• Chiefs’ offense found their rhythm; long drives (90+, 80, 70 yards) turned a close game into a rout.
• Commanders’ defense performed well in the first half, creating pressure and playing effective zone/man coverage, but failed to capitalize on turnovers.

Stats & Strategy

• Mahomes: 299 yards, 3 TDs, 2 INTs, 4 carries for 30 yards.
• Kareem Hunt and Isaiah Pacheco combined for strong production on the ground.
• Chiefs were balanced: "Targets—Kelsey 8, Rice 9, Worthy 7; catches—6, 9, 5.” [14:55]
• Unc: "He's really looking to buy time and hope somebody comes open. And that’s what makes him so dangerous." [14:55]
• Commanders’ inability to run the ball or protect Mariota in the second half sealed their fate.

Officiating, Home Cooking & Perception

• Discussion about missed officiating or home bias.
  • Unc: “I'm not saying the refs are cheating, but they was cooking.” [18:17]
  • Ocho: “You want to get there as close as you possibly can because you got a really hard job...and it's only going to get worse since the implement of gambling.” [18:23]

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Chiefs’ Receiving Corps & Personnel Questions

Segment Start: [20:36]

Taquan Thornton’s Disappearing Act

• Ocho: “I'm not saying what he was when he was in Baltimore or what the year that he had in Arizona. I'm talking about right now. Based on what you saw… Taquan Thornton was their best receiver.” [20:52]
• The hosts are baffled by Thornton’s reduction in role post-return of Rashee Rice and Hollywood Brown.
• Discussion suggests Chiefs may not value him enough, even after strong production.

The Business Side of Rosters

• Unc: "When it comes to those that have already been paid, those who are making top dollar, they gonna see the field first." [21:15]
• Speculation that Thornton will find a bigger opportunity elsewhere because his tape is now strong.

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Vikings’ Quarterback Situation: Missing Sam Darnold

Segment Start: [26:41]

Wentz Goes Down, McCarthy Sidelined

• News: Carson Wentz has season-ending shoulder surgery; only backup is undrafted rookie Max Brosmer.
• J.J. McCarthy, a 2024 top-10 pick, has only played 2 of 24 possible regular-season games.

Letting Sam Darnold Walk: Regret

• Unc: "I still for the life of me can't understand why you let him walk out that door... he looked very good [in Minnesota]." [27:26]
• Ocho: “A completely different person.”
• Darnold now playing well in Seattle; Vikings are left with mystery and mediocrity.
• Suspicion that McCarthy’s "injury" might be cover for lack of faith ("Ain't nothing wrong with that ankle." [28:44])
• Ocho: "They love calling players divas...but the most important position is quarterback and we don't have that. Great players start to act up now." [28:44]

Quarterback Contract Logic & Development

• Discussion about rookie contracts, patience, and the balance between youth vs. proven commodities.
  • Unc: “Sam Darnold is 28. J.J. McCarthy is 22. I’m bringing Donald back, giving him that lower tier…to see what he can do for us the next two or three years.” [39:03]
  • Calls out Vikings’ impatience and how benching McCarthy long-term doesn’t make sense.

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Browns’ Quarterback Carousel: Stefanski, Shedeur Sanders & Locker Room Risk

Segment Start: [47:40]

Joe Flacco Benched; Dylan Gabriel Struggles; Shedeur Sanders Sidelined

• With Flacco and Gabriel each going 1-3 as starters, fans and media question why rookie Shedeur Sanders isn’t getting a shot.
• Coach Kevin Stefanski dodges questions, insists “The focus is where we are right now, Mary Kay. That's not my focus. Guys, can we stop asking these questions?” [48:03]
• Unc: "We already know what the play was—they didn’t want him. It was Andrew Berry’s pick… someone forced their hand." [48:13]

Locker Room Dynamics

• Team risks losing player trust. If results don’t improve, leaders like Denzel Ward or Myles Garrett may speak out.
  • Unc: "At some point, you're gonna lose the locker room, too." [50:36]
• Ocho: "He won’t push the ball down the field. It’s hard, you can’t run the ball. You sure you fish, you short fish." [48:55]
• Ongoing speculation that Sanders is only “injured” for politicking purposes, not for true injury.
  • Unc: "You know, ain't nothing wrong with him. The same way there ain't nothing wrong with J.J. McCarthy." [51:45]
• Ocho: "They don't seem as interested in putting Shedeur in as we're interested in seeing him." [51:08]

Offensive Limitations & Future Outlook

• Browns lack skill talent on the outside; offensive coordinator bears responsibility for failure to play to strengths.
• Acknowledge Browns might be headed back to the draft—but see no savior QB on the horizon.
• Unc: "There's been some great quarterback play in college, but there's none that can come to the Cleveland Browns and be like, ‘oh shoot, we found the one.’ There's nobody." [60:20]
• Discussion on the fleeting patience for rookie QBs and carousel of starters (“damned if you do, damned if you don’t”). [59:48]

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Receiver Comparisons & Cowboys/Bengals Skill Talent

Segment Start: [55:30]

Bengals vs. Cowboys Duo

• Debate over which team boasts the better receiver tandem.
  • Ocho: "You think your duo better than Dallas duo?" [55:30]
  • Unc: "Not only do I believe that our duo is better than Dallas's duo, but it's, it's, it's... We are better as a whole." [55:49]
• Discussion pivots to Jamar Chase/Tee Higgins vs. Dallas’ CeeDee Lamb and George Pickens.

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Miscellaneous NFL News & Bye Week Culture

Segment Start: [63:23]

Jets QB Decision (“after the bye”) and Defensive Woes

• Jets’ coach Aaron Glenn won’t name Justin Fields starter yet: “This is the bye week and we're going to focus on us.” [63:23]
• They analyze why Fields’ win over a bottom-ranked Bengals defense isn’t enough to base decisions on.
  • "You win a game against the 32nd best defense...really gives me no gauge." [65:20]

Jerry Jones & The Cowboys’ Defense

• Dallas’ defensive struggles highlighted; regret over losing Micah Parsons and a lack of pass-rushers.
• Bengals equally struggling on defense—ranked 32nd—“we both in the ugly contest.” [64:44]

NFL Bye Week Traditions

• Light-hearted look at how players value their limited days off.
• Ocho: "Them days go by so damn fast. You're like, damn, did we even have a bye week?" [68:30]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Unc (on Mahomes’ second-half adjustments): "Mahomes started processing that information a little faster. Oh, y' all playing zone. Well, hell, I'm going to be surgical." [13:55]
• Unc (on team roster politics): "When it comes to business...those that have already been paid...they gonna see the field first." [21:15]
• Ocho (on underused talent): "You mean to tell me this man can't get on the field and get 10 plays? He can't get one target...after doing what he's done?" [22:00]
• Unc (on QB transitions): "Now he's in Seattle and he's flourishing. He is flourishing. JSN or having a effing ball." [42:57]
• Ocho (on ‘diva’ label): “We like to show a little enthusiast... when we do it, it's called divas; when they do it, it's called passion.” [33:49–34:09]
• Unc (on locker room): "At some point, you're gonna lose the locker room, too, huh? Yeah, you're gonna lose the locker room." [50:36]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Chiefs vs Commanders reaction: [06:09]–[19:32]
• Chiefs' WR depth & Taquan Thornton: [20:36]–[25:05]
• Vikings’ QB dilemma/Sam Darnold: [26:41]–[44:24]
• Browns’ QB situation & Stefanski on Shedeur: [47:40]–[60:13]
• Bengals vs Cowboys WR debate: [55:30]–[56:34]
• NFL bye week culture/Player traditions: [62:32]–[68:30]
• Jets’ QB/Defensive rankings: [63:23]–[65:06]

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Tone and Style

The episode is equal parts film-room analysis, locker-room storytelling, and uncensored banter—true to the personalities of Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson. The hosts mix genuine insight with playful jabs, using their player experience to contextualize on-field drama and front-office decisions.

Transcript

[Unc]

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[Colin]

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[Ocho]

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[Unc]

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[Ocho]

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[Unc]

Oh, yeah. Yes.

[Ocho]

Ab.

[Unc]

Ab. Ab. Absolutely. Listen, it all comes down to being sharp. Being sharp and precise. Regardless of what route you running, you always have to be stay friendly to your quarterback and understand, you know, how to not only get open, but continue to create separation to be able to catch any and everything. You know, for. For Hollywood, as long as he's been playing the game of football, you know better than that.

[Ocho]

Yeah, you can't run the right like that. You got to put pressure on the db. You got to make him think you're going deep so he's going to want to get on top of you. If you start back, Ocho, if you take three steps and you looking for the ball, you don't run no go route like that. Who runs a go route like that?

[Unc]

You're not. You're not fooling nobody. You're not gonna fool nobody like that.

[Ocho]

Oh, and, you know, I'm sure that was a situation. And then he hits Trav in the head with the ball and it pops up in there, and B wags end up. End up picking that off. But I thought once he got it going, guys made play for him. He did a great job of using his legs sometimes to run his way out of harm's way and sometimes to buy time. You see him hit Rasheed Rice on a couple of plays like that. He found for a touchdown, the running back for a touchdown. You see him. Trav. He hit Trav a couple of times after using his legs to buy time. But I thought. I. I thought overall, once they got it going in the second half, they had drives of what, 90 plus yards, 80 yards, 70 yards. And it really broke the ball game open because for the first half, Ocho, I thought the commander's defense did a great job. Looney.

[Unc]

Listen, they did. They did a phenomenal job on them. This. And whether they play zone or whether they played, man, they added pressure and they played a really good game. The one thing I don't like about the first half of the commanders, and the Chiefs are one of the few teams that when they. When they turn the ball over, commanders have to capitalize. You got to make them pay. You got them. You got to make them pay. Because at whatever point the Chiefs catch that momentum and find that rhythm, you want to stretch that lead. As far as possible to make the game a little easier, make it a little more difficult for them to almost into a point where Centaur you got to make them damn near one dimensional where they don't have a choice but to throw to get themselves back in the game, right? But the game was too close once they caught fire.

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[Unc]

Turned off news altogether.

[Colin]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[Ocho]

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Feels like it's trying to divide people.

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[Ocho]

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[Colin]

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[Unc]

And Mahomes started processing that information a little faster. Oh, y' all playing zone. Well, hell, I'm going to be surgical. Yeah, I'll find every hole because every time there's a defensive play called, there's always a hole in my home. Knew exactly where to go with the ball. Every goddamn time. Those plays where the defense actually called the right play. Okay, you got me this time. But I'mma beat you with my legs. Then he go beat you with the guy with his goddamn legs.

[Ocho]

So I. I think. And you're right about that. Especially when you're on the road, when you're on the road. You try to keep the crowd out of the game as long as you possibly can. As long as they're not cheering, as long as they're sitting on the hands at the edge of their seat and they're nervous, you're winning. Yeah, but when you get those opportunities, because the momentum is going to swing. If you look at the first half, the commanders had the momentum. Had it. Now, what happened is that in the second half, the Chiefs got the momentum, and when they got the momentum, it went 14. It went 14, 7, 21, 7, 28, 7 in the blink of an ey and the game's over.

[Unc]

Hey, it was. It was a rap. And they. They would. Where they scored, what, three. Three straight possessions.

[Ocho]

Three straight possessions. And then they ran the ball, you know, ran the clock down late in the box or they could have let y. I'm surprised they didn't, you know, but I just thought they did a great job. They were really, really balanced. Ocho, you look at it. Targets. Travis Kelsey had eight targets. Rasheed Rice had nine targets. Xavier Worthy had seven targets. And you had six catches, nine catches, five catches. So you saw what they was doing. He bought time and found juju on a couple of routes. He bought. Found bout time with his legs and found a Kareem Hunt in the end zone with his legs. He's done a great job. As he's gotten older, he's doing more and more with his legs. He will run, but he's really looking to buy time and hope somebody comes open and. And that's what. That's what makes him so dangerous. You don't want to bless him because he will come out of. He will jump out the window on you and take off running. But he will. But he's also looking. He's constantly trying to process information. Can I throw this ball over the head? Is there. Is there a gap somewhere I can fit this ball in to get me 10, 15, 20 yards down the field and pick up a first down? But I thought they ran the ball well. You look at Kareem Hunt and Isaiah Pacheco, what they did running the football, 12 carries, 58 yards, nine carries, 40 yard. Mahomes had four carries for 30 yards, 30 rush attempts, 148 yards. So basically almost five yards of carry. That's good enough to win. Very balanced. Mahomes had 299 yards passing, three touchdowns, two interceptions. He was sacked three times. I thought they did. I thought Martin did a great job of putting pressure on him. They did a great Job of. Of forcing you out of the pockets, but you got. When you get there, you got to get him on the ground. I don't know what that last X. I don't know what he was. He saw Mahomes, gave himself up, and then you still gonna throw him down right there in front of the referee, and you don't think he's gonna call, he's gonna throw a flag?

[Unc]

That's frustration.

[Ocho]

That's. That's all.

[Unc]

That's all frustration. That's all frustration at that point. And y' all, obviously, okay, I can't hit him all game. We haven't been able to get to him all game. He's been getting out the pocket, extending plays. You know what? I finally got a hold of him. I'm gonna give him a little extra just to let him know I'm here. And it didn't matter at that point.

[Ocho]

No. And when you look at it, Ocho, I think they didn't run the ball nearly as much as they needed to, because now all of a sudden, the pressure started to get into Mariota. He had eight rushes, 28 yards. Koski Merritt had nine for 25 yards. That's not enough. And it looks like McLaurin might have nicked that groin to that hamstring again, because he ended up coming out. I thought he made some great plays. Hell, I thought Debo was a catch right there at the pylon. And then I was looking at like, man, that's a catch by McLaurin in the end zone. That was a touchdown. Now, I don't necessarily know if I was an official Ocho I would have overruled because I couldn't see that right leg. The inside leg. Did it hit down, out of bounds? He did get the elbow down. And you look at the left leg. The left leg didn't come down. But where was that right leg? There was never a clear view of where I could see what his right. What his right leg was doing. So I probably wouldn't overruled it. But even in real time, I thought that was. Those were catches with Debo and McLaurin. Hey, but, you know, hey, that was a situation. I'm sure they said, oh, that's the Chiefs getting home cooking. The Chiefs getting home cooking.

[Unc]

Wait, listen. I'm not. I'm not saying the refs are cheating, but they was cooking.

[Ocho]

I think the thing is, Ocho, if you go back and look up it, a lot of them were out of position. Like that catch on the sideline. There were really no officials Right there in the, in, in, in the vicinity. So you got to be in better position. Now he, they were looking at McLaren when he was in the end zone and they're trying to see but you want to get there as close as you possibly can because you got a really hard job is his feet and does he hold on to the ball? If I look at where he catches the ball, I can't pay attention to his feet. So they really have a hard job and that's really the job of two people. Yeah, that's why you always see him check what, what you get. Was he out of bounds back there? Nah, he didn't step out. Okay. But he touched the pylon. It's good. So that is a two man job. But the guys got to be in position. The guy, the women and the men, they need to be in better position to make sure they're on top of those calls so they can get it right. But it's a tough situation and, and it's only going to get worse since the implement of gambling. And what we're starting to find out now, people are going now is really going to ratchet up. It's really going to ramp up and say see, I told you. I knew it all along. Bad. You can't fool me. High team play like this one week and then the next week they act like they ain't never seen foot or a ball.

[Unc]

Yeah. And it's the funny thing about it. Now people can say what they want to say. You can say the ref cheated, you can say that they didn't. But you understand when you ever have a quarterback, when you have a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes, it gives you a favorable chance to win any match. Yes, favorable chance to win. To win any game. Obviously there was some turnovers early in this game. The command what they needed to do to capitalize on those turnovers. And you saw what happened. And it's funny how the conversation about the Kansas City conversation about the Kansas City Chiefs had changed as the weeks have gone on. First they washed. They're not the same as they used to be. The receiver the plan bad in the first two weeks they started 02, which they haven't, they haven't done before to now looking like the Kansas City Chiefs of old. And it was only a matter of time it was only a matter of time of players getting back healthy. Rasheed Rice coming off suspension, Hollywood Brown being in. Travis Kelce actually getting back to form. And with hey now, now they hitting on all cylinders and we still probably Even have. We still haven't even seen probably the best Kansas City Chiefs team we can see just yet.

[Ocho]

I'm just trying to figure out what happened to Taquan Thornton. How does a guy be, be that involved? And I understand Rasheed Rice coming back.

[Unc]

Right.

[Ocho]

I get that, Ocho. But when a guy puts up that kind of numbers, you've got to find a way to get him on the field.

[Unc]

They got so many options, man.

[Ocho]

Look, it's hard for you to convince me that Hollywood Brown is better than Taekwond Thornton based on what we've seen this year.

[Unc]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm not saying what he was when he was in Baltimore or what the year that he had in Arizona. I'm talking about right now. Based on what you saw. Hollywood. Hollywood Brown was in there and Taquan Thornton was in there when Rashid Rice wasn't. Twice. Tyon. Tyquan Thornton was their best receiver.

[Unc]

Yeah, he was, he was making some plays, he was making some catches, you know, especially deep balls when it was needed. And, and it mattered most. And I knew, I knew they were going to play like this. I, I understood that. That's why when we had him on the show, and I said, listen, once that door opens for you, make sure you put your foot in there, cross it, and close the door behind you. Because this is the type of game that they play. When it comes to business, when it comes to those that have already been paid, those who are making top dollar, they gonna see the field first.

[Ocho]

I get that. Rasheed Rice, I get that with Rashid Rice because he is their best receiver. Oo we saw the maturation when he came in as a rookie, and he got better and better and better and better. And as the year he was clear cut, he was the number one receiver.

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[Colin]

Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

Obviously had had some issues. I think he got nicked and he got that situation, got himself off field, got that behind him, got that issue resolved. But I, I, I just, I'm looking like, damn, you mean to tell me this man can't get on the field and get 10 plays? He can't get one target, he can't get two targets now. Oo after doing what he's done in the absence of Rasheed Rice, look, we're not trying to start no conflict, but I think everybody in Kansas City and I think people that watch the game, follow the game, study the game, you're like, hold on. How does a man go from playing that well to not even getting in the game? Barely getting in the game, not getting Any targets.

[Unc]

In a sense, I'm not even upset. In a sense, I'm not even upset because I. I understand the doors with the way he played when everyone else was out. When Hollywood. Brad wasn't there. When. When Hollywood was there. No, no, no, no. When he. When he wasn't there. Hollywood. Hollywood wasn't there yet. He was hurt.

[Ocho]

Where was he at? Not this year.

[Unc]

What? Wasn't he hurt early on when Taekwond kept making all those plays, making those.

[Ocho]

Hollywood was in there. It was Hollywood. Xavier Rice, Xavier Worthy.

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[Ocho]

And. And. And.

[Unc]

And Taquan N. N. Some. Somebody. Somebody was missing. Somebody was missing from the equation. But Rashid R. Okay, either. Either way. Either way. Taquan Thorne was. Was arguably easily based on what we were seeing.

[Ocho]

Yes. That's all I'm saying.

[Unc]

But this is the only thing. This is the thing I like is you've already put it on film now. You already put it on film, which you can do when you actually put in position to make those plays. So that door and the opportunity to play somewhere else where they will probably use him in his skill set that he does have, with that kind of speed, it's gonna pay off. It just might. That's not going to pay off where he is now because obviously they. They don't appreciate we was able to do because you have too many other options. You got too many other options.

[Ocho]

And maybe it may be it's a situation. Ocho. Maybe he's. Nick, maybe there's something going on that you and I don't know about.

[Unc]

Him. Ain't nothing. Ain't nothing wrong with him.

[Ocho]

Scenarios out there, bro. Damn.

[Unc]

You know, you know the game them folks play? You know the game they play. Hold on. Hey, I'm, you know, I'm sitting here. I gotta. I gotta. I gotta grab this chair. I'm sitting here on my suitcase. Hey, look what I'm sitting on. You heard me.

[Ocho]

Look. Yeah. Lord have mercy.

[Unc]

It hurt my butt.

[Ocho]

Yeah. See? Yeah. Xavier. Think about Ocho. Xavier Worthy was injured and now Hollywood was there.

[Unc]

Okay, that's. That's what I meant. That's what. I knew it was one of them. I knew it was one of them.

[Colin]

I just.

[Unc]

So, yeah, it was Xavier. That's. That's right.

[Ocho]

But Taekwondo, it may be some situation, Ocho, where T plays the same position as Worthy. Hollywood plays a different position.

[Unc]

Right?

[Ocho]

Because, you know, you got two speed guys, so maybe that's the situation. But I. I was. I was right. I was trying to figure out, like, well, damn, how he go from being so productive today. I'm near, he damn near inactive.

[Unc]

Yeah, yeah, it's, that's, that's crazy. Now. I've seen it so many times. I've seen it so many times. Which is why I don't want to say the wrong thing because they, they are winning. But when, when you have, when you have a team like that where they can, they can, they can plug and play different players in different positions and because you have Patrick Mahomes, it's going to always work regardless of who you put out there. I mean it's hard to argue the fact on. It's real hard to argue the fact.

[Ocho]

And then juju is so versatile. Juju blocked juju make the tough catches over the middle. He understands, he doesn't miss hot reads. And that situation where they run the fake, I'm trying to figure out, I'm like Noah, why would you run a seven route, bro? You should try to score a touchdown. Don't run that at the angle. Get that up the field. I'm like, guys, guys, do y'. All. I don't, I don't, I don't get it. I ain't trying. I'm trying. If I got the defense, fool, and the linebacker is trailing me from the inside, I, I'm not trying to get a 20 yard completion. I'm trying to get a 40 yard touchdown. And, and you see how Mahomes threw the ball? Mahomes threw him up the field because B Wags was trailing on the inside. He was like, he wanted to catch it and, and get tackled out of bounds. No, bro, take that up the field. Yeah, I, I don't know. May, maybe, maybe it was set up like that. Maybe it was, hey, to be a 20 yard completion and not a 40 yard touchdown. But that, that there's like, you know, the way we ran around like, look, if somebody's over the top, you flatten it off. If somebody's in the trail, you keep it high.

[Unc]

Right? Yeah.

[Ocho]

Vikings quarterback Carson Wentz is set to undergo season ending shoulder surgery on his non throwing shoulder oo and will be placed on injured reserve. JJ McCarthy began the season as the starter, but who has missed the last six game with a high ankle sprain. He's expected to play Sunday in Detroit. The only backup Minnesota roster is undrafted Rookie Max Brosmer. J.J. is not. Huh? Yeah, exactly. He was undrafted, so you know even less about him. J.J. mcCarthy has not only played two of 24 regular season games since he was drafted with the number 10 pick in the 2024 draft. Oh, Joe. How bad are the Vikings missing Sam Darnold?

[Unc]

Listen, they missing Sam Donald very, very much so. Very much so. Listen, the way Sam Donald played last year, I still for the life of me can't understand why you let him walk out that door. I just don't understand for the life of me. And not knowing what you were getting with JJ McCarthy. I understand he was a high round pick. I know what he did in Michigan. I, I get that. But listen, he. There's no problem with him sitting behind and learning from Sam Donald with the way he played last year. You don't let a quarterback, as hard as it is to come by quarterbacks that you can find that can maximize everything you want to do offensively. He did everything well. He didn't look like the Sam Donald with the Jets. He didn't like the Sam Donald and goddamn Carolina. But for some reason everything in Minnesota, it looked good. He looked very good. Similar to how Daniel Jones looked with the goddamn Indianapolis coats. Like a completely different person.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, a completely different person.

[Unc]

And the same person is still carrying on right now in Seattle.

[Ocho]

And he still.

[Unc]

Yes, and now you struggling. Now you're having quarterback woes. He didn't know what to do. And I think they not playing JJ McCarthy on purpose, ain't it? Can't be nothing wrong with him, Unc. Can't be.

[Ocho]

I mean he was out a long time with a high ankle sprain. Normally guys get. Guys were getting back in three high end four weeks. This be six weeks that he's miss. I'm just saying.

[Unc]

You know, goodwill. Ain't nothing wrong with that ankle. Ain't nothing wrong with that ankle. You know that boy J.J. hey, Justin Jefferson, boy, he gonna cut up this week, you hear me? But let, let things don't go right. Let things don't go the way they should be. You know, they love, they love calling players divas and all this that are passionate and want to win and understanding that in order for me to have success, in order for us to have team success, we got to have the most important position, have a good person, a good player with the ball. And we don't have that. Hey, them great players that we all love, they start to act up. Now.

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[Unc]

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[Ocho]

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[Colin]

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[Unc]

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[Unc]

They love. They love. Hey, they love the. I'm not sure where that, what that. Where that term diva came from. I'm not sure, you know, but you know, when, Sir?

[Ocho]

When it came from, y' all misbehaving.

[Unc]

Yeah, hey, we don't misbehave. We're just passionate about the position that we do play.

[Ocho]

We like what y' all call it.

[Unc]

Yeah, we like to show a little enthusiast, you know, a little in it, a little energy. You know, when we do it, it's called divas when they do it. It's called passion.

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[Ocho]

Called passion.

[Unc]

Yeah, it's called. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know the word, the definition change depending on the. Let me, let me. I'm not gonna go there.

[Ocho]

It's been reported that went tore his labrum and dislocated his shoulder in week five and they still played. Let that sink in. So he's got a torn labrum in his nor. Non throwing shoulder and it's dislocated. You're asking him to play through that?

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

You got a guy that you took with the number 10 pick last year that you were so set that he was going to be your guy that you let a guy walk out the door that, that had thrown like 30 plus high 30 touchdown for you and fewer than, I think fewer than 15 interceptions if I'm not mistaken.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So you let that guy walk out the door, but now you got a guy that's a journeyman. He's turned into a German. Yes, he was the number two pick in the draft and yeah, he had a nice two, three year run and Philly, then it all fell apart and he's bounced around ever since. But so now he's a journeyman quarterback. You're willing to keep a journeyman. You're willing to ask a journeyman with a torn labor and a. What's being reported? I don't know, I'm just reading what's being reported. You're asking a guy that's a journeyman quarterback that has a torn labrum and a dislocated non throwing shoulder to go out there and gut it up. Instead of putting a guy out there that was a high draft pick that you believe so much in.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

A guy that you saw go through the totality of a season and play exceptionally well, you let him walk out the door.

[Colin]

Ah, hey.

[Unc]

I know what Sam Donald looks like before he left, might have left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, but the position he put you in in the regular season to even be in contention to be in the playoffs was phenomenal. It was a great run. It was the kind of run where you bring someone like that back who gives you a chance. He puts you in position, he allows you to maximize what you want to do offensively. With his decision making and chemistry that he built with Hawkinson Addison and Justin Jefferson, you don't, you don't let that walk out the door because now you have a situation like you do now where we're saying goddamn JJ McCarthy has, has been injured on the sideline with a high angle Springer for six weeks. I know that's a. I know the devil is a lie. Somebody lying. I don't know who it is. Because now you're not sure. Now you really don't want to put him out there based on what you saw already when he was, when he had the opportunity to get out there, it didn't look like it should. It doesn't look like you guys made the right choice. So now you're relying on Carson Wentz to save the day.

[Ocho]

Yeah, look, and he, look, Ocho, he's on in the second year so he could get better. But I had my questions about him because they ran the ball way more at Michigan than they threw it. So I was always like, okay, what happens when they. When they're going to require you to throw the ball? And the days of you just being able to run the football, you got to throw it in this league, I don't care who you are, they're going to come a time that you're going to have to, and more time than not, you're going to need to throw the football. And so I was always a little leery on that part. Now, I will say this. I. Look, I thought they could have kept Sam Darnold, but I knew they wouldn't keep Sam Darnold for the simple fact of the money. And they tied up into J.J. mcCarthy. He was the number 10 pick in the draft. Ojo. And. But it wasn't a lot of money. Now, if Minnesota had backed the Brink's truck up, said, okay, we got 40, 45, 50 million, I get Minnesota. But this is a very digestible contract. This was almost like a Baker Mayfield contract.

[Unc]

Yes.

[Ocho]

30 million is the lower level of a starting quarterback.

[Unc]

Yep.

[Ocho]

And so I was a little surprised that it didn't go to 30, that they didn't look at least for another year or two. Hell, if. And I get it, this is not a very fair assessment, but Jordan Love rode the bench. Now he's backing up somebody much more substantial and proven. But he sat his ass on the bench. Aaron Rodgers sought the bench, so there's no harm in that. And look, if. If Sam Donald doesn't make it this year. But Sam Donald is not old. Sam Darling is 26. So if he continues to play, well, hell, I'll move on from JJ McCarthy. I ship his ass out.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Because JJ McCarthy is what? How much younger is JJ McCarthy than Sam Donald, Ash? Because I think Sam Darling is 26 years of age, so it's not like he's 30, 32. And plus, you're dealing with a quarterback, so they. They. You know, they like dog years. That 20. That 20. That 26 is really like 14.

[Unc]

Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

So it's not like other positions. How old is J.J. mcCarthy and how old is Sam Darnold? Okay, Sam Darling is 28. J.J. mcCarthy is 22.

[Unc]

Only 22?

[Ocho]

22, yeah.

[Unc]

Oh, man. Listen, I. I'm not. I'm not a gm. I'm not an owner, but I understand. I know who gives us our best chance to win, and I'm not gambling. Regardless of him being the number 10 pick, there's no problem with him sitting. He has A he has a team friendly contract. Even being a number six, I'm bringing Donald back and giving him that lower tier. No disrespect, I'm speaking in football terms, of course, in quarterback money. To see what he can do for us the next two or three years.

[Ocho]

At least the next two before I have to. Because I really don't have to make a decision on Sam, on JJ McCarthy. Oo until year, year four. Going into year five, I got to make a decision.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So I don't have to do a deal with him. I mean, obviously guys that are playing get deals done after their third year if they're that guy. So I get that. But theoretically I can go into, I could go into year four, says, okay, I've gotten two years of Sam Darnold. I think we've maxed him out. Okay, jj, I'm gonna give you a year to prove it. And then with a. But I'm not in a situation. But I think the thing is, Ocho going into that year, that year four, now I got to pick up his fifth year option.

[Unc]

Yeah. And one thing about it too, you know what I don't like? You know, I think it's the perfect situation for him. You played at Michigan, so you used to being in that type of environment. Obviously you come from a school where you ran the ball, you know, a high percentage of the time. But your quarterback, your quarterback, you're in the NFL now and if you can't throw the ball to Jordan, Addison Hawkinson and Justin Jefferson, you don't belong. You just don't. Oh, yeah, nail this way, you just don't belong because that's one of the better receiving cores in the NFL. And even if, even if you can't bring yourself to their level of play, they're so good, they can hide whatever weaknesses you do have as a quarterback. And the fact that he can play going into week six and we talk about it's still an ankle sprain, something ain't right, and it damn sure Ohio Spring, that's not it. I mean, we know that. And I'm not sure what they're trying to hide, but whatever weaknesses that he may have as a quarterback, they have to find a way to hide it because you have the players around them that can hide it. You have the players around them can hide it.

[Ocho]

Well, I think the thing is oo, you can only hide it for so long. It's like an Easter egg. They might not fight it, but somebody gonna find the Ms. So whatever your weakness is as a Quarterback. Oo. We gonna find it sooner or later because as long as you continue to play with, we gonna find out where you weak at. That's just. That's just. That's just how. That's just how it is. And so I, I agree with you. I just knew based on the NFL, the number 10 pick, they really like this guy. That I don't know if it's true. It's like reports that he wanted to be guaranteed a starting job. Seattle guaranteed him a starting job.

[Unc]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Oh, you.

[Unc]

But you talk about Sam Darnold. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

And so under that. Those circumstances, but it's hard for me to believe Ocho, somebody gonna pay you $30 million and you don't start.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Unc]

Yeah. And there, there aren't very many places that he could have gone to after he left Minnesota where they weren't going to guarantee me, guarantee him the starting job. There wasn't anybody there. You're gonna have to look over your shoulder and understand, okay. Their pressure is on me. If I don't play well, they're probably going to put this guy in. You, you, you in a great. You in a great spot. I, I think Minnesota would have been a great spot for him to come back. I'm not sure what management was thinking. There's a reason why I'm not a gm. There's a reason why I'm not an owner because that's, you know, the choice of decision I would have made. And now he's in Seattle and he's flourishing. He is flourishing. JSN or having a effing ball.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they, they. And I, I think Ocho, when they moved on for. They moved on from Geno.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Now you look at a situation. They moved on from dk. They moved on from Lockett. It seems like Lockett went to Tennessee. Now he's going to be reunited with Pete Carroll and Gino and. And Las Vegas maybe. A lot of people like, man, what do they have? They got Jackson, Smith and Jigba. They got jsn and he is phenomenal.

[Unc]

Yeah. And listen what we can do as well, because he's not too far removed from winning a Triple Crown. I love Cooper Cup. He might not be the Cooper cup of old Cooper cup at this.

[Ocho]

He can still make plays.

[Unc]

He can still make plays. He can still. He's still one of the better, better route runners. One of the better creatives of what I like to say, artistry when it comes to running routes.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

He's still one of those. Despite what people may think he just.

[Ocho]

Not, he's not going to be used like that. That's not Sean McVeigh's system. Sean McVeigh. If you look at the way Sean McVeigh used Cooper cup, you look at the way Sean Mcveigh used Puka Nakua. Yeah, that's not what he is. They're not going to use him like that because first he's not the number one. That's jsn.

[Unc]

Yes.

[Ocho]

So now the jsn, he's going to get the favorable, he's going to get the, the favorable play calls. He's going to be the first target. And so, but if you go back and look at it, Ocho, I think Cooper cup only had one 1000 yard receiving season. That was the triple crown season.

[Unc]

That's. That's funny how that works, right? That, that's funny. I and, and I saw that before with understanding with them you won the triple crown. And I remember going back and looking at some of his numbers. Me and TJ who's from Zada were talking about at one point and he told me, well, go look at all the stats from, from before that. And it's unbelievable. With the right system, with the right coach and putting you in the right position, in right position to make certain plays, they can manipulate the offense to where you can succeed. No matter what. Yeah, no matter what, they can do it. And obviously when it was time to work and wiggle him out that system. Here comes P. NUA Yeah.

[Ocho]

You draft players, you draft players, you need smart players. Those guys on the bigger side, they're not your typical slot. You look at Puka, you look at Cooper cup, they're not these, they're not the Julian Edelman, they're not the West Welkers, they're not your typical slot receivers. They're on the B, on the bigger side, which means they, they're going to have to be able to take more punishment. Because when you catch that many balls, oo you got to get a damn assload of targets. Cuz Cooper cup caught 140something balls. That means he's 190, 200 targets, 1900 and what, 1930 yard receiving yards. He was well over 2000. He was probably, he was damn near 200 catches on the season. When you tally up what he did in the postseason, right? And you look at the yardage, he was wet. He was like, I think he was like 23, 2400 receiving yards.

[Unc]

Jesus Christ.

[Ocho]

And you look at what he did in the playoff games. So he probably had another 30 another 30 plus catches. So you figure tackled another 30, 35 catches with, with another 45, 50 targets. Now you see, hell, he might have had 230, 250 targets and caught 190 of them.

[Unc]

When I think about it like that, as dynamic, as dynamic of a playmaker as he was, I would always, I always sit back and hypothetically think, damn, I wonder what my numbers would look like in that situation being that you know, I'm. We're.

[Ocho]

We're a lot of punishment. Oo huh. That's a lot of punishment.

[Unc]

Hey, I could take punishment, you know. I ain't got no problem going across that middle and doing some of the, doing some of the things that really made me uncomfortable. I can sit there and tell you now, I mean I wasn't comfortable, you know, sitting there running, running screens. I, I don't like that. I, I like to be having a, somewhat of a no, you're not gonna.

[Ocho]

Catch that many balls getting pushed down the field. Lo they can't throw that many ball pushing you out the. Not. No, not no hundred. And you know, he caught 140something balls. So think about how many, how many, how many screens, bubble screens that he actually caught. I don't like how many, how many, how many little smoke routes?

[Unc]

Yeah, I don't like those. On. I'm gonna be honest with you. It that it, it. It gives me a certain level of uncertainty, a certain level of uncomfortability with, with me not being able to have my eyes on what's in front of me and me having to focus on the ball now, having to run around and understand and being able to read defenses and knowing where everybody's going to be and what their job and knowing when I can get out of breaks, I can protect myself. I know what's coming. I know where you're coming from. I know where the pursuit is coming from. But having to turn real quick and everybody got eyes on me like I'm a damn pump returner. That makes me uncomfortable.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it is.

[Unc]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[Ocho]

The Browns bench Joe Flacco. After one and three stint as a starter, rookie Dylan Gabriel is one in three. Many in Cleveland are wondering if Shador Sanders now deserve his own shot. Well, today Kevin Stefanski was asked by Mary Kabbat whether he's considering the possibility of playing Shador. And his response? The focus is where we are right now, Mary Kay. That's not my focus. Guys, can we stop asking these questions? Y' all know this man don't Want to place your door.

[Unc]

You know that. Young people. We know that. And people. I see people you know in the chat.

[Colin]

Not.

[Unc]

Not in the chat, but just in general. When we talk about the Cleveland Browns. Oh, it's. It's. Damn. What's the word? When they don't like someone and they. They. Now they doing them wrong. I forgot the word to use. But listen. We already know what the play was. We already know what the play was. They didn't want him. It was Drew Barry. No, Andrew Barry.

[Ocho]

Andrew.

[Unc]

It was Andrew Barry's pick. It wasn't. It wasn't the owner. It wasn't Stefanski. So this is exactly what they want. This is exactly what they want. It seemed as if they were. That someone forced their hand to take this pick, and they don't want to give him an opportunity to play the game. From the small sample size that we've seen from Dylan Gabriel, he has now, had he played four games that they're.

[Ocho]

1 and 3, he won't push the ball down the field. It's hard. You can't run the ball. And all you do is that you sure you fish, you short fish. Because the big fish. The big fish don't swim close along the shore. They're out the deep. And so to get points, you got to push the ball down the field at some point.

[Unc]

Yeah, but maybe he's. Maybe he's not. He's not that comfortable doing just that yet. Because we saw him push that. Push the ball down the field. And in the goddamn preseason, we saw him push the ball down the field. I see him. I saw him throw short balls. I thought I saw him throw eddy meed. I saw him throw, dig routes. I didn't really see him throwing. Throw anything deep, but I think there's a certain level of uncomfortability that they don't have because offensively, they're not calling plays for him to push the ball down the field because obviously maybe that's not what he's good at. That's the only thing I think of. Because if he was good at doing it, you would call the plays that call for him to do just that. What we're asking of. In order for you to win games, he's not giving the Browns their best chance to win games. And the fact that Kevin Stefanski understands that my job is on the line because this is the guy I stood up on the table for and who I wanted to make know the start of our team. At some point, you're gonna lose the locker room, too, huh? Yeah, you're gonna lose the locker room. It just take the right person to say something. Denzel Ward, Miles Garrett, you know, you know your captains, you'd be like, listen, we need to do something. I mean, to see Miles Garrett frustrated like that. The way. The way he was understanding that offensively, we not getting it done, knowing the check needs to be made. I mean, but I think that's a hill that Kevin Fanck is willing to die on because this is my guy. And he knows. I mean, his job ain't in jeopardy. He's not in the hot seat. Not in the hot seat.

[Ocho]

So you don't think so?

[Unc]

No. Hell no. Absolutely not.

[Ocho]

Joe Flacco training Cam completion percentage was 58.7 in his first. In his four start, he was at 69. Then he went to 56, 58 in his last game as a starter, he was 47%.

[Unc]

Hey, somebody in the chat. Funny as hell to my ear. Dealing with Gabriel did throw it down the field, but it got intercepted.

[Ocho]

I. Look, man, look, I. I'm just tired of, like, man, push your man. They don't seem as interested in putting Shador in as we're interested in seeing him. And who knows what would happen if he got in there, but I think we want to see what would happen.

[Unc]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

And my thing is he like. Well, he didn't play. He wasn't even the number two. Bailey Zappy was the number two on Sunday. Say he had to deal with a back injury. Well, how you heard his. Well, he just standing on the sideline so I could get why his back was tight.

[Unc]

Hold on how he have a back surgery, but he was out there throwing balls in pregame.

[Ocho]

I'm just. I'm just out there warming up.

[Unc]

Look, you know, ain't nothing wrong. Ain't nothing wrong with him. The same way there ain't nothing wrong with J.J. mcCarthy.

[Ocho]

There's nothing wrong with him.

[Unc]

This is just the game that they do play. If you understand the game and understand what they will do and what they will report, knowing that there's nothing wrong with you to cover their you know what. And get us on the outside to shut up. But listen, I played the game. I understand that some of the things that you will do when you don't really want a person to actually be in the game and to contribute, you don't want to look wrong. You don't want to be wrong in the decisions that you've made. Of course you're not going to play him because you know he probably will go in there and succeed. Shador Sanders works and operates very well in a chaotic environment. And that's environment that has been created for him because of who he is and obviously also because it's, that's, that's. They, they didn't want him. But he will operate very well in this type environment and they don't want that to happen. So what do we do? We say he's hurt, his back is messed up. You tell, you tell the reporters, chemist defense. He says, hey, don't ask me. The focus. The focus is what it is right now. It's Dylan Gabriel and doing everything we can to make sure he improves week to week. But the clock is ticking because the next thing that's gonna happen, it ain't gonna be the reporter saying something and asking questions. It's gonna be the own players in your locker room.

[Ocho]

Dylan Gabriel, his training count completion percentage was 55% and his four starts he was at 58, 56, 72%, 60%.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So it looks like he's right about where he was in training camp.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And because they're, they don't have the best playmakers. They don't have, they don't have the Detroit skill position players, they don't have Green Bay skill position players, they don't have senses, they don't have CD and pick. That's not what they have. So when you don't have that level of talent on the outside and you have a marginal quarterback, what do you think you're going to get?

[Unc]

Listen, you know what? Then the onus, the onus at that point is on the offensive coordinator who's calling the playski. Okay, well, listen, I understand I have a quarterback right here in Dylan Gabriel. There are certain weaknesses that he does have, but I have Njuku Tillman, Jerry Judy. I know what they can do. I know what they can do. I know what their strengths are. How can I put them in the positions? Creativity. Creativity in a creative way.

[Ocho]

Creatively.

[Unc]

Yeah, creatively. What, the rope? What's wrong with me? I'm talking too damn fast creatively to hide some of the things and the flaws that Dylan Gabriel is not good at. So now you, you can't make him taller.

[Ocho]

So you can't. You can't make him grow 4 inches. So you can't do anything about that. You can't make him have a stronger arm. You can't do anything about that.

[Unc]

No.

[Ocho]

His offensive line is not the best. There's not anything you can do about that because you have what you have. So I don't really know where you. I don't know how much better it can get for the Browns based on what you have currently.

[Unc]

Yeah, I, I. Listen, I don't know. I'm. I'm all, I'm, I'm all out of suggestions. I mean, everyone else has suggested, you know, do this, do that. What everybody wanted, they got. You got what you wanted. You got your quarterback. You got Joe Flacco going now having success, you know, in the air, throwing to two of the greatest. The. The greatest duo in the NFL. Now Dylan Gabriel's your quarterback, but you're still in the same. You're still in the same place. You sit in the same position.

[Ocho]

You. You think. You think your duo better than Dallas duo.

[Unc]

Come again? Ask me, Ask me that one more time. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you ask me, think about what you asking me. Then ask me again. Then ask me.

[Ocho]

I will ask you. Do you believe that your duo is better than Dallas's duo?

[Unc]

Well, not only do I believe that our duo is better than Dallas's duo, but it's, it's, it's.

[Colin]

We're.

[Ocho]

We're.

[Unc]

We're. We are. We are better. We are better as a whole. And this is no disrespect to CDN Pick, but they right below us. And it's close, too. Huh? You hear me?

[Ocho]

Yeah, he damn right it's close.

[Unc]

Stay with me now. It's. It's close, but because of Jamar Chase, it edges us out.

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Unc]

And tt is very good. You know, George Picking could do what T. Higgins does.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I think you do a little better.

[Unc]

Yeah, I mean, yeah.

[Ocho]

I mean, yeah, I think so bad.

[Unc]

They about equivalent now he can go up and get it. You know, Tiger running routes, them 50, 50 balls turn 80, 20 when it's them too.

[Ocho]

Yeah. And the thing I like about Pick is Pick is angry. He get his ball, hands on the ball. He like, you gotta tackle me. I ain't going down. I ain't running out of bounds. You gonna have a tackle me?

[Unc]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho]

I love that. And I look, I love the focus that I've seen from him since he's arrived in Dallas. I love that. I love. I. I love that.

[Unc]

I told you it was a simple.

[Ocho]

I just. Shador has been liking IG posts today that are calling for him to start for the Browns after the by week. Hey, we'll see.

[Unc]

Whatever you got to do. Whatever. Whatever you got to do. And obviously, going into the bye week, this is the Browns bye week, right? Yes, they definitely not. He did Definitely not name the starter during the bye week, but we're gonna see what happens. We're gonna give Dylan Gabriel another week. Another week to get. To get better, to improve himself based on what he's done so far with the four stars he's had. Who. I wonder who they got coming out to buy, huh?

[Ocho]

That's as usual, have coming out of the buy.

[Unc]

Oh, man.

[Ocho]

And my thing is. Oo is that, no, you don't have to do anything. It's just like, who they got the jets coming out of the buy.

[Unc]

Shoot, ain't no telling.

[Ocho]

I think that's as good. That's as good as any time to let Shador start well in the Jets. Yeah.

[Unc]

Yeah. I. I think Dylan Gabriel will be the start against the Jets. Ain't no telling. Jess might come out there and. And Molly walk. They. You know what that.

[Ocho]

Oh, they already beat y', all, so they got confidence now.

[Unc]

Do that. Don't do that. Let's not bring up the past. Let's not bring up the past. Let's look forward, because in the Bible, it said, do not look that behind you, therefore, so you can see where.

[Ocho]

You go with, I don't know, your eyes closed. The way to beat y' all up. You know, look, there's only so much. I mean, because I think the thing is, I think for the most part, he's done. He said all the right things. I'm a support Dylan. You know, hey, he blocked. You know, we in that room. I think everybody. When Joe was in the room, I think Shedeur is saying all the right things. I think he's been coached up. I think he's been groomed to play that position, to say all the right things, because you are corporate when you're in that position.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But I think deep down, he believes he's better than Dylan Gabriel.

[Unc]

You know, he believe that every player that has competition at a Pacific position believes they're better than the person that's in front of. Yeah.

[Ocho]

You know, and unfortunately, y' all won't. He said, unfortunately, y' all won't give me an opportunity to show you that I'm better. I mean, look, there's only one way. There's only one way to prove it. Give him. Go. Let him go out there and. And give him four stars. And let's see. I think the thing is, Ocho, I think they're gonna let this thing with Dylan Gabriel go a little longer for the simple fact you don't want to play. You've already moved on from Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco got four starts. Are we really trying to get Dylan Gabriel four stars? Okay, give Shador four stars. It don't work out with your door, but go back to Dylan Gabriel. It don't work out with Dylan Gabriel. Go back to sh. I. I don't know if that's where you want to be at. Oo. I don't. I don't think that's where you want to be.

[Unc]

Listen, listen. Tansky is in a tough position now. He's in a tough position.

[Ocho]

Damn if you do. Damn if you don't.

[Unc]

Yeah, basically that. That's exactly what it is. But I think it's okay for them to. To. To have a quarterback carousel and being able to make those changes, those changes when necessary, because you need to find out what you need to do for the foreseeable future.

[Ocho]

If they're probably going to go back into. They're probably going to go back in the draft and get a quarterback. But, I mean, looking at the quarterbacks, I'm looking around college right now, I don't see anybody. I don't see anybody that blowing my socks off, like, oh, I got to get them. I gots to have him.

[Unc]

And I'm glad you just said that because obviously everything at the quarterback level. There's been some great quarterback play in college football, but there's none that can come to the Cleveland Browns and be like, oh, shoot, we. We found the one. There's nobody.

[Ocho]

Cleveland is more than a player away, though. Oh, that's the problem. They're more than a player away.

[Unc]

Wait a minute. But they're more than a player away. But if they can get the right quarterback, which is the problem for the past now 36 years, then you're a little closer to where you want to get to. But you can't even get past. You can't even get past step one.

[Ocho]

No.

[Unc]

Well, you had the quarterback in a minute.

[Ocho]

You had the quarterback. You just need to get some pieces around Baker and let him heal. Yeah, but, you know, the damage was done. You, you, you. You know, I guess conversation, you know, he felt like they wanted him to be something that he wasn't. They wanted him to be more button up, more structured, and he's a guy that. He wants to dance. He. He cool with the locker room. The guys like him, and so that wasn't their cup of tea. Well, if the guy's gonna win, damn your cup of tea. I'm trying to win.

[Colin]

Yeah.

[Unc]

Hey, that's all that matters at the end of the day. Especially for quarterbacks, is based on wins. Wins and losses.

[Ocho]

Yes. So we'll see how this thing plays out. I think, you know, Cleveland goes quiet for a minute. There's no games. There's nothing to report. I don't know how much they're gonna. Oh, they get the whole week off of the bye week. They gone.

[Unc]

What you mean gone? They practicing.

[Ocho]

They ain't practicing. You got to get the week off.

[Unc]

Wait, they change the rules or something? Yeah.

[Ocho]

Ash, look up and see. I think that's a rule. You get the whole week off.

[Unc]

Oh, man, I ain't never see, man. What?

[Ocho]

No. Hell no. We got. We got Thursday.

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[Unc]

Man, we.

[Ocho]

We got fried. We normally. We got Friday, Saturday, Sunday off. We had a half day Thursday. If everything went good, you know, we got a half day Thursday. But it was. I hope. Now we got a week in Baltimore. But Mike Shanahan wasn't playing that. I don't know what.

[Unc]

I don't.

[Ocho]

I was like, damn, man, they. Man, such and such. Yeah, we got that. We getting the whole week of. I'm like, well, damn, we ain't got no week off. They get the whole week off. Yeah.

[Unc]

That's crazy. So they got to do any work they want to do. All by yourself. But obviously, during the bye week, you want to get away from football.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Unc]

You want to reset mentally. You want to reset mentally. Get yourself away from anything football related. Go home, you know, get in your game. I mean, just do whatever. Detach from the game of football in your bye week. That's. That's the point of it. And when you do come back, you'd be ready to hit it.

[Ocho]

All I know is I. I heal my. A lot of my own injuries. You're not going to keep me here on the bye week. No, because I got something. I'm Nick. Oh, no.

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[Ocho]

You good? Yep. They sell lights at the convenience store. Your eyes don't have medicine. The only other you got, you got that rabbit turd ice. I got to get that cube dice. It's all. All the same.

[Unc]

Yeah, it all does the same at the end of the day.

[Ocho]

Aaron Glenn declines to Name Justin Fields Quarterback 1 After the jets bye week despite his first win of 2025. Glenn said, this is the bye week and we're going to focus on us. I have time to make that decision. Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Unc]

I mean, listen. And obviously you have time to make that decision also. Aaron Glenn understands that he was playing against the bangle defense. He also understands he was playing against the bangle defense, which really hasn't been good, you know, all year long. Ever important. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't, don't do that. But I mean, he understands that. So.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I went to the Super Bowl. Y' all was good.

[Unc]

Oh, yeah, we. Hey, hold on. The year we went to super. We was middle of the pack.

[Ocho]

That was good.

[Unc]

We was middle of the pack. And that's all I'm asking for.

[Ocho]

Tada.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

So where are you now?

[Unc]

Oh, well, hey, I don't know what number we at. What number you think we at?

[Ocho]

Lord and whale poop.

[Unc]

Hey, man, Unc is bad.

[Ocho]

I don't know if you guys are worse than Dallas, but you're close.

[Unc]

You think?

[Ocho]

So y' all fighting it out.

[Unc]

I wonder, Ash, Ash, who. Who has a. Who defense is worse? Is it us or us or Dallas?

[Ocho]

I mean, both of y' all in the ugly contest.

[Unc]

Hey, we both in the ugly contest.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Unc]

Hey, we might not be the ugliest, though.

[Ocho]

You know what?

[Unc]

The ugly. But we not the ugliest.

[Ocho]

We gonna have. We gonna have two winners. Is. See, I told you.

[Unc]

Wait. We deadly 30. We 32nd in defense.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Unc]

God damn. I. I don't. I don't. I don't like that.

[Ocho]

I don't.

[Unc]

I don't like that. I don't like that at all. Like, I don't know what it is.

[Ocho]

I don't know if there's a whole lot you can do about.

[Unc]

It upsets me. Now you see why Aaron Glenn doesn't want to make a decision on who he wants to start. Because you went and you won a game against the 32nd best defense. Look. Look at me. 32nd best defense in NFL and you win. So that really. That really gives me no gauge on how well you can do when you play against a competent defense, because it's going to be a different ball game if you're playing somebody else. Damn, man. 30, 32. Yeah, it. Well, hold on.

[Ocho]

Y' all was. Ocho. This is where y' all was last year. Why you surprised? So tell me who.

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[Ocho]

The addition that you guys got because you got last year. He had 17 and a half sacks. He led the league in sacks. You were dead last. You don't have anybody even close to that this year. So where do you expect to be? You expect to move up how?

[Unc]

Well, I'm just. I'm just. I'm just thinking about some of the moves we made in the draft. Demetrius Knight, phenomenal player. I mean, he's. He's made A huge impact.

[Ocho]

You told me that. And then, and then Bryce Hall, Breeze hall. Just go out there and have a day for days.

[Unc]

Yeah, he did, he did. But Listen, I mean, 44 can't be everywhere now. He's only, he's only one man. He can only do so much. We need everybody to come to the party.

[Colin]

That's the problem.

[Unc]

I don't think everybody had a ticket to the party. They did have a ticket to the party. I think that's the problem.

[Ocho]

But ain't nobody brain nothing. Yeah, D. So we had to escort about. We had to let him go. Hey, man, look, I think the thing is, look, I'm gonna say if I'm Aaron Glenn, I'm gonna sell ag. I'm celebrating this. I, I, I don't have to make a decision. First of all, ain't nobody in the building. All the guys. The guys are gone. Yeah, the guys are gone. So go somewhere warm. Go to Miami, go to la, go to Vegas. Go do something fun. I'm not even thinking. I, I can honestly say that when I on the bye week, I didn't think about football. That was the last thing on my mind. That was, that was the time for me not even think about football. Not think about nothing. You know, go somewhere. But see, it was different for us, Ocho. We only got two and a half effing days. We didn't have no week.

[Unc]

Yeah, I think, I think the most I probably had is maybe three, maybe four days. But them three or four days on, we talk about detaching until about reset, mentally getting away from the game of football. I'm in Miami, obviously, you know, I don't club, I don't do none of that. I go home, man, hit that swimming pool. No, I didn't, didn't really get hurt. So, you know, I did think go bike riding back back then. I used to, I used to enjoy my little huffy. Yeah, what a huffy is.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I know the huffy is.

[Unc]

Yeah, do it early, early morning on early morning bike ride to make sure I keep my conditioner going and shoot. That's about it. And play video games. Yeah, I want to see a football. I didn't want to see a pig skin. I didn't want to hear anything. You know, you go home to your homeboys, they always want to talk about the season. I say, man, bro, look, I ain't trying to hear none of that. Don't ask me nothing about the season, though. I ain't worried about who we playing. I ain't trying to Hear none of that. But what we gonna do? We get. Let's hit South Beach. Let's go to News Cafe and sit outside and people watch, you know, fish.

[Ocho]

Man, them days go by so damn fast. You're like, damn, did we even have about a week? I say, I think they. They skipped some days very fast. I mean, it's Monday. Next thing you know, it's Thursday. I'm like, man, what happened to Tuesday, Wednesday? And then. And then if you bad. And then if you nicked. I remember my last year in Baltimore, we got the whole week off. I ended up getting my knees drained before I left and then had to get them drained when I got back.

[Unc]

Wait a minute. Speaking of drain. Speaking of knees drain, why wouldn't I play in the flag football game? And goddamn in London? And I hit. I hit the turf, right? Yeah, I got it. Why I gotta burst a sack?

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Unc]

Now on my left knee. My left knee, look like I'm goddamn Professor Clone. And I refuse to get it drained. And I don't know where to get the sleeve from. You know? You know, you put a sleeve over there.

[Ocho]

Yeah, just get one of those. You want those? One of those. You go to the. The CVS and get one of those. Okay, look, compression, compression, stock compression.

[Unc]

Yeah. Boy, I gotta get one on my left knee. I used to get him when I played, right. You know, you hit your elbow. Man, my elbow used to be so fat. I used to always wear a little wristband to cover it up. Oh, man, you should be. That's fun.

[Ocho]

Now, I used to fly because I had. I had swelling bad in my joints, my knees, my ankle. And I always wear compression stockings. I wore them on both. On both. Bring them up to your knee. Above your knee.

[Unc]

Yeah.

[Colin]

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