Nightcap Hour 1: Pistons BLOW Game 5 vs Cavs + Lakers Pull POWER MOVE on LeBron + Shannon FURIOUS Laker Fans Deny LeBron is BETTER Than Kobe

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 (May 14, 2026)

"Pistons BLOW Game 5 vs Cavs + Lakers Pull POWER MOVE on LeBron + Shannon FURIOUS Laker Fans Deny LeBron is BETTER Than Kobe"

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Episode Overview

This Nightcap Hour 1 episode features NFL Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe alongside cohosts Joe "Iso Joe" Johnson and Chad "Ocho" Johnson, diving deep into the NBA Playoffs’ biggest headlines. They break down Detroit’s stunning collapse against Cleveland in Game 5, debate LeBron James’ legacy with the Lakers vs. Kobe Bryant, and explore what it means to be considered truly great in sports. With passionate analysis, player anecdotes, and some playful ribbing, this episode unpacks crucial moments, tough fan debates, and what separates stars from legends.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Detroit Pistons' Collapse vs Cleveland Cavaliers

Summary:

• The Pistons lost a 9-point lead in the last two minutes and ultimately fell in overtime to Cleveland, a result that drew strong reactions from all three cohosts. The crew dissected careless turnovers, Detroit’s overreliance on Cade Cunningham, and the pivotal performances on the Cavs’ side.

Highlights & Quotes:

• Detroit’s Mistakes and Cade’s Responsibility:
  • “Cade gotta stop turning the ball over... he played too well tonight to have [that late turnover] be what we kind of remember this for.” — Joe (09:11)
  • “He played 48 minutes... he’s all they got offensively.” — Joe Johnson (10:20)
• Supporting Cast & Fatigue:
  • “If K don’t get no help from nobody else… Jenkins gave him a solid 19, Tobias... probably his worst game of the series.” — Joe Johnson (09:54)
  • “For Detroit, their main guy plays every minute, carries a huge load — too big to avoid mistakes.” — Paraphrased consensus
• Jalen Duren & Defensive Limitations:
  • “Jalen Duren... he finished with five rebounds, nine points, minus 16... That’s two more than a dead person!” — Shannon, referencing Charles Barkley (08:32)
  • “Sometimes he’ll give you 20, sometimes he gives you nothing.” — Ocho (12:36)
• Cleveland’s Clutch Play:
  • “You gotta alleviate the others and make the stars be stars. But if you let a guy like Strus get on you... that’s a game he potentially won for them tonight.” — Joe Johnson (13:44)
• Playoffs Pressure & Boneheaded Plays:
  • “In order [for Cleveland] to continue to play, Detroit had to do some dumb, boneheaded things, and they did.” — Joe (25:10)

Timestamps:

• Breakdown of Pistons’ final minutes: 08:30 – 13:16
• Praise for Cleveland’s unsung heroes (Strus, Paul Reed): 13:16 – 15:52
• Game management & the turning point (free throws/turnovers): 15:52 – 17:41

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2. Crafting Greatness & Offseason Work

Summary:

• In a broader discussion, the panel examines what it takes to build a championship or all-time career, especially the role of offseason development, creating a “foundation,” and finding what sets a player apart.

Highlights & Quotes:

• Offseason is Everything:
  • “You can't work on your game during the season... that's why the offseason is so important. That's where you build a foundation.” — Joe (41:17)
  • “Greatness is boring... It’s doing the same thing over and over and hoping for the same result.” — Joe (43:07)
• Player Development:
  • Long discussion about specific trainers (Phil Handy, Chris Johnson, Rico Hines) and why stars seek out coaching, but also how pros sometimes resist help for fear of sharing credit. (46:00 – 48:40)
• Specialization vs. Well-roundedness:
  • “If you’re great defensive like [Thompson] is, man... It’s just too many times he don’t even look at the basket when he got the ball. For me.” — Joe Johnson (28:20)
  • Ocho compares the needed “niche” in sports to value in any team context (42:16 – 43:05)

Timestamps:

• Offseason, routines, and what makes players great: 38:34 – 45:28
• Importance of player trainers and credit: 45:44 – 48:40

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3. LeBron vs. Kobe: Lakers Legacy Debate

Summary:

• Shannon and co. launch a fiery, data-driven defense of LeBron James’ impact on the Lakers—and in every franchise he’s played for—while calling out the double standards in public perceptions versus Giannis, Jokic, and even Kobe. Lively stats comparisons and cultural realities of Lakers’ fandom fuel this conversation.

Highlights & Quotes:

• Lakers Before & After LeBron:
  • “Before he arrived at your franchise, you winning about 40% of your games. Once he's there, you win about 62%... Basically, that’s a 22% increase.” — Joe (51:14)
• Double Standards for Success:
  • “How many championships does Giannis have, Joe?... One... How many has Jokic won?... One... but only one [LeBron] is deemed unsuccessful.” — Joe (51:57)
  • “You see, if I don't like you, you can't do enough good to make me like you.” — Joe (52:29)
• Kobe’s Enduring Shadow with Lakers Fans:
  • “No matter what—even what you reading off the stats—even... how great LeBron has been for them, nothing will unseat how they feel about [Kobe].” — Ocho (62:10)
  • “See, that's what the problem is, Ocho. It's like—if I say LeBron is bad, I'm saying Kobe ain't any good.” — Joe (64:09)
• Personal Histories and Changing Allegiances:
  • “I tweeted something in 2012 that I said—LeBron, Kobe and Jordan were the greatest players I ever seen... My mind changed: I thought this was the girl for me, Joe, but after she left me high and dry, I changed my mind.” — Joe (55:00)

Timestamps:

• Lakers' franchise transformation with LeBron (stats rundown): 51:14 – 53:48
• Legacy double standards, perspective on Kobe and LeBron: 54:12 – 65:24

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4. Memorable Anecdotes & Lighter Moments

Summary:

• The crew share candid stories about offseason training, NBA pickup runs, Ocho’s humble basketball ability, and what it’s like to balance personal pride with embracing help or new teammates.

Highlights & Quotes:

• On seeking coaching help (and not wanting others to take credit):
  • “If I were to go somewhere and I get some assistance, he might take credit for my success. And I don't want nobody to take credit for my success.” — Joe (47:34)
• Ocho on adjusting roles for team greatness:
  • “I told him, you get that boy [TO], I ain't got no problem being Robin to the Batman.” — Ocho (68:16)
• Riffing on player skill sets and what they refuse to do:
  • “I don't want the wiggle where everybody's in front of me. I want to know where everybody going to be at while I'm running.” — Ocho (70:11)
• On old tweets and evolving opinions:
  • “The greatest basketball players of all time. God. Air Jordan, Kobe. In that order. Look at the date.” — Joe reading his 2012 tweet (71:05)

Timestamps:

• NBA trainers and offseason skills: 45:44 – 48:50
• Ocho’s NBA pickup story and team dynamics: 46:49 – 68:24
• Old tweets & player rankings: 71:05

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Notable Quotes

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|-------|---------| | 09:11 | “Cade gotta stop turning the ball over… he played too well tonight to have that be what we kind of remember this for.” | Joe | | 13:44 | “You gotta alleviate the others and make the stars be stars...if you let a guy like Strus get on you… that's a game he potentially won for them tonight.” | Joe Johnson | | 25:10 | “In order [for Cleveland] to continue to play, Detroit had to do some dumb, boneheaded things, and they did.” | Joe | | 41:17 | “You can't work on your game during the season... that's why the offseason is so important. That's where you build a foundation.” | Joe | | 43:07 | “Greatness is boring... It’s doing the same thing over and over and hoping for the same result.” | Joe | | 51:14 | “Before he arrived at your franchise, you winning about 40% of your games. Once he's there, you win about 62%.” | Joe | | 62:10 | “No matter what—even what you reading off the stats—even... how great LeBron has been for them, nothing will unseat how they feel about [Kobe].” | Ocho | | 64:09 | “See, that's what the problem is, Ocho. It's like—if I say LeBron is bad, I'm saying Kobe ain't any good.” | Joe | | 71:05 | “The greatest basketball players of all time. God. Air Jordan, Kobe. In that order. Look at the date.” | Joe |

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Episode Structure

1. Opening/Intro & Pistons-Cavs Recap (04:08–18:44)
2. Detroit’s Issues, Cleveland’s Execution (18:44–27:53)
3. Player Development & Greatness (27:53–45:28)
4. NBA Trainers, Pickup Runs, & Teamwork (45:28–49:02)
5. Power Moves, LeBron’s Impact & Lakers Legacy (49:02–66:19)
6. Kobe vs. LeBron—Emotions and Facts (66:19–End)

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Tone & Takeaways

• Reflective, deeply knowledgeable, and unfiltered
• Strong respect for statistical context, but recognition of fan emotion
• Gentle ribbing among panelists keeps the mood light, even as debates heat up
• The hosts blend personal experience with honest debate—underscoring both the emotional and analytical sides of sports

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If you missed the episode, this breakdown gives you the key moments, debates, and lessons—both in stats and in the heart of the game.

Transcript

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

What I told you yesterday. I told you he was gonna be in the mirror all goddamn day today.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey.

[Ocho]

All day practicing.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Oto, I'm that damn backup. You don't want to get no damn rip. I know that. Huh?

[Joe]

See? We in good hands now. I feel. I feel very, very comfortable oo. Taking me two, three weeks off. Let Joe handle that thing.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Let him get, man.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe, when we. When we on vacation now, you know, I'll pop in every blue moon and give you five minutes, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool.

[Joe]

I got.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. I got some special guests who will be on here with me, man, you know? Yeah. I'm wrapping some things up. I'm had. Y' all right, baby?

[Joe]

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[Joe Johnson]

Hey, it's the same thing that we've talked about with Detroit, man. You look at it. If K don't get no help from nobody else.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

Jenkins gave him a solid, you know, 19 to buy Tobias is probably his worst game of the series. You know what I mean? It's like Ocho, he. He got so much. He carrying on his damn back. Yeah, he gonna now he can't have no six turnovers.

[Joe]

I'm with you.

[Joe Johnson]

But some of them mistakes he gonna make, bro, just by fatigue, I mean his usage.

[Joe]

He played 48 minutes.

[Joe Johnson]

I know they went into overtime, but, bro, he's all they got offensively. I mean, Paul. I thought Paul Reed came in and gave him a lift. Hell, he made it to where it was hard for you for him to put Durant back in the game. Yeah. So. But when you look at Thompson, Akay Ocho, a. A as great as he is defensively and three blocks, four steals, five assists, seven rebounds, he has so many opportunities where he can still put some points on the board. Meaning, like he gets offensive rebounds, he looking to kick out. Like he ain't even looking at the goal just to even be aggressive sometimes. You know what I mean? You right there in the paint. I just feel like they rely on Cade so much, and if he's not heroic, hell, it's hard for him to win.

[Joe]

Joe, you said something very interesting is that if you look at those three turnovers, what was he trying to do, playmake for somebody else? He could have just went. He could have easily just gone to the basket, but instead of going up, he's trying to dump it off and the guy moves the ball, goes out of bounds or somebody ends up having the basketball. Yeah, four. Four turnover. I think he had four of his six turnovers. And, And. And after the half. That one in overtime was a killer. Yeah, because he got. He got picked clean. Yeah, he got picked at least. If you turn the ball over, Joe, if you turn the ball over and you give me an opportunity to set my defense. Yeah, I'm disappointed because we didn't even get a shot up at the rim. But if you turn the ball over, if we don't even get a chance to set our defense, we cooked.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we cooked. Nothing we can do.

[Joe]

Go ahead.

[Ocho]

You. I say you also have to think about it, too. Like Joe said, I think for one, you need Tobias Harris to play. He played great all series, Joe. Hell, he's been playing great all the entirety of the playoffs, but I think tonight is a night with Tobias Harris. Need to show up and take some of that pressure off of Cade. Now, I know he played a lot of minutes, but he need to be one of those that can. When they needed a bucket, he need to come. He need to step up to the party. I'm not sure what's wrong with brother Thompson. As great as he is defensively, I

[Joe]

see he's offensively challenged. That's what's wrong with him.

[Ocho]

We can't use that excuse, especially once you get that next. That next level.

[Joe]

It's not an excuse.

[Ocho]

You don't want to be. You don't want to be one dimensional. You can't be one dimensional.

[Joe]

Well, he can't change that, right? He can't change that in the series. He's got to work.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I understand. I'm not sure what was wrong brother. Jalen Duran either, Joe, you know, for somebody.

[Joe]

What do you mean? What's wrong with him?

[Ocho]

At. Sometimes they give you 20, sometimes to give you 20, sometimes to give you nothing.

[Joe]

Not in the playoffs.

[Ocho]

I don't understand. I don't. I don't understand what's wrong.

[Joe Johnson]

I think his best game in this postseason is 15. 15, bro.

[Ocho]

But this,

[Joe Johnson]

that's the biggest difference. I mean, hell, he ain't no guy who you gonna just come down and throw the ball to. His.

[Joe]

His.

[Joe Johnson]

A lot of his points came from pick and roll with K or energy and effort buckets, but he ain't getting none of them. Hell, you can't only with five rebounds or two rebounds in the game, bro. Like, I don't really know, man. I think Detroit got some soul shoes you to do. But we still gotta give Cleveland credit.

[Joe]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Johnson]

James Harden give James Harden.

[Joe]

He needed this. James Harden needed this game.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, he did.

[Joe Johnson]

He did. He did give Struce credit coming off the beach. He was huge. Yeah, he was huge difference maker. He was the difference.

[Joe]

He absolutely was, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Struss, Is it Struce or Strauss? A young bull was efficient tonight, Joe. You know, man, Efficient as hell.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. He's one of those others who we talk about, bro. You can't let.

[Joe]

You gotta.

[Joe Johnson]

You gotta alleviate the others and make the stars be stars. You know what I mean? But if you let a guy like Struse get on you, Ocho, hell, that's a game he potentially won for him tonight just by his efficiency alone. Hell, he only took eight shots. All of them were threes. He was six for eight from three. I mean, what, what, what better. What better complimentary piece you want next to, you know, Mitchell and Harden in those situations where a guy's making shots, bro, I mean, he did his job tonight. He did his job because I don't know why d Wade be out there. He just be running sprints.

[Ocho]

Hey, wait, is your weight. Is your five right?

[Joe Johnson]

Either. Either four? Small four.

[Joe]

No way.

[Joe Johnson]

He didn't want to be gone.

[Joe]

Alan and Mobley is the four and five.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, listen, he begging three with no points.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man. Hey, he be guarding Cade. I'm like, why the hell they got him guarding Cade?

[Joe]

Cause they don't really have anybody else they don't have. I mean, if you think about it. And so when he came, when he comes out, that means Strus comes in. And you see Struse basically guarded K because you can't put Allen on him, you can't put Mobley on him, and Donovan Mitchell and, and, and. And James Harden can't guard him. So he's your next option. He's the only. He's truth and what you call him. Maybe you might be able to think about throwing Merrill on him or maybe Tyson, but you feel more comfortable with Wade and, and Stru's doing it. And I thought Struth challenged as much as he could. Kate had it going tonight. He played well enough to win, but you can't turn the ball over like that. You can't.

[Joe Johnson]

You can't turn the ball. You can't turn the ball over. Okay, Ojo, but I'm gonna keep it real, man. Cleveland ain't got not one person who can stick, bro.

[Joe]

He get whatever he want, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

He get. I'm talking about every time, too. Every time I. Hey, look, he may even need to be a little bit more selfish, if you ask me. You know, I mean, because I know he tried to get shots for these other guys and get them involved, but it's like, damn, some of the passes he making, they don't do nothing with it. It's like some of the passes he making, he giving you great opportunity, but it'd be a missed layup or missed. I'm like, hold on, bro. I'd rather you shoot that one.

[Joe]

I, I, I, I totally agree. I, I, I just think the thing is, we can say two things can be true. Detroit actually gag, but there, we've seen it before. Ocho team where the opportunity was there, they just didn't take advantage of it. Give Cleveland credit, because in the process of gagging, somebody had to put you under duress, right? And then somebody had to follow through. And you see Cleveland, they made every big shot. And I was, I was just getting ready to tweet, and I got distracted. I said, james Harden is going to miss one of these free throws. I think he's gonna miss one of these free throws. And I be damn if he ain't miss one and they don't get the rebound. You see, you realize the ball's not yours until. Until it's in your Hands. He missed the free throw and you don't get it. What have you done? It's kind of like a shot. Oh, you played great. Okay. But the ball goes up and you don't get the rebound, you ain't got nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, right, right.

[Joe]

Oh, Jordan Sport, you get to get them to third down and then you can't get off the field. What good is getting them to third down if you can't get off the field?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Joe]

Oh, you shut them down on first or second, they ain't got nothing but they come on the field. First down, first down, first. Eventually that's going to catch up with you. Eventually. Go put absolute on your ass.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

What happened? And then I don't know what took him so long to file. I mean, hey, how many decade have five files? No, he had. Yeah, you got to take that file sooner. You let five seconds run off the clock for no reason. But I think Cleveland, I think Cleveland bright Cleveland Cavaliers played unbelievable under. Under the rest like that. We talked about this. This series might have been. It should have been over. If shooter doesn't turn that ball over. This over not. Joe, it's four. It's. It might be four one.

[Joe Johnson]

You're right. You're right. And when you got. You know, I think Allen and Mobley gave them great contribution tonight. Meaning? Meaning they were super solid.

[Joe]

35 and 18, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, you know, you just don't. You can't have one with 18 and then another one with four. You know what I mean? So this is a great balance for them. I thought they big guns played well and then like you need the other. You need somebody to come along, somebody who can help win a game. And that was truce, bro. Hey, look, they've done what they needed to do. Now. I. I guess, you know, if you. Cleveland, obviously you want to close them out in six. This will be six, right? Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, they got to hold on. It depends what the game, what the next game at, huh?

[Joe]

Cleveland believe it.

[Ocho]

They got to close it out. They got to close it out. I feel good. I would love for this game to be one of James Harden games where he has an out of body experience similar to that when he played with the goddamn Rockets. He's been to up and down. Gotta protect the ball. Donovan Mitchell gonna be Donovan Mitchell. I was, I was hoping he'd get that shut off before regulation ended, you know, but they trapped him and got that ball out of his hands.

[Joe]

That was a foul, huh? They should have called a foul on Jared Allen.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no, that was clean. Thompson got that out clean.

[Joe]

No, I'm saying Allen tripped him. Thompson was going to get the ball and Allen tripped him.

[Ocho]

Hold on, Unc. Do you really want to call a foul?

[Robert Smigel]

In that moment, another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier this week. My guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an acapella band with their between songs Banter or where

[Podcast Interviewer]

does your group perform?

[Joe]

We do some retirement homes.

[Robert Smigel]

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Timbo]

Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the Internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source. The athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight reel. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports slice on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slice Life 12 TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

[Joey Dardano]

Hey, I'm Jared O'. Donnell. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out help. On the Internet. Help.

[Joe]

Somebody, please.

[Joey Dardano]

But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently, I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions.

[Joe]

Psych.

[Joey Dardano]

I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant and recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, let it ring twice. One ring is too scary. Cream of Chicken soup.

[Ocho]

Hey, Cream.

[Joey Dardano]

Cream of chicken soup. This is help from a hypocrite the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Kultura Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Leigh Ann]

Will Ferrell's Big Money players and iHeart podcast presents soccer moms. So I'm Leigh Ann. Yeah. This is my best friend Janet.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Leigh Ann]

And we have been joined at the hip since high school. Absolutely. Now, a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger, hips wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey with all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Well, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. You had a white collar sub here just hanging.

[Joe]

What are y' all doing? Microphones. Are you making a rap album? I would not. I would buy. It cuts through the defense like a hot knife through sponge kick.

[Leigh Ann]

That sounds delicious.

[Joey Dardano]

Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer.

[Ocho]

I love this team and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on.

[Joe]

Oh,

[Leigh Ann]

listen to soccer moms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe]

What's up, fam?

[Isaiah Thomas]

It's Isaiah Thomas and I'm C.J.

[Podcast Interviewer]

toledano. And our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luka and Austin Reed and finding ways

[Podcast Interviewer]

to win no matter what.

[Isaiah Thomas]

He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before, and he knows without Luka and Austin Reaves, I gotta manipulate the game.

[Podcast Interviewer]

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I think Joker's gonna be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed, he has to guard Julius Randle, and then he has to give us everything. He gives us on a night to night basis on offense.

[Podcast Interviewer]

And when it's friends stop by, like Quinton Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too.

[Joe]

Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell, get the flying. He running up the court, licking his

[Joe Johnson]

fingers while he got the ball. Like after you go through a training

[Joe]

camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Get your Ass up and down the court and you going to get the ball.

[Podcast Interviewer]

So listen to Point game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe]

It's a foul.

[Ocho]

Nah.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

You got. You got. You got to be cautious. You don't. You don't want to end the game. And no, not. Not out. That.

[Joe Johnson]

That.

[Ocho]

That's.

[Joe]

That's. He's going. He's going. He. But here's the problem. Tony Brothers wasn't even looking at him. Go. Look. What.

[Leigh Ann]

Look.

[Joe]

Tony is standing right there. He's looking this way. Alan and. And Thompson right here.

[Ocho]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. And then to buy with that. Hey.

[Ocho]

With that foul and send them to the free throw line.

[Joe]

Yes. With 1.4 seconds on the clock, I would.

[Ocho]

I wouldn't want to end the game like that. I wouldn't want to end again. I'd rather go to overtime.

[Joe]

So if that's the case, guess what I should do? I'm gonna file somebody because you don't want the game to end in the file. So I'm just gonna foul hell out of me and say, okay, let's just go to overtime.

[Ocho]

But listen, if you think about it, too, if you think about it, right, if you. If you think about football, right, Every single down, Joe, no matter what, especially in the interior. In the interior, you can call a foul every single time if you want to, because every single time there's something going on, it has to be egregious. And you can see that trip was probably. It was more of a mistake as. As it being done purposely so I wouldn't want the game to end.

[Joe]

But they always call tripping. That's. They always call that. Yeah, they call. They call tripping about five times the other night. I give you a prime example. So you did. Would you have wanted the Philly game with Bradford iv? Hell, juju you that call and just let him play.

[Ocho]

That was egregious song. That was. That was. That.

[Joe]

That was a game to end like that. Ocho.

[Ocho]

Hey, I. I understand what you mean. I. I just don't. I. I love that the ref, he held his whistle in that moment, allowed them boys to go to overtime and allow the game to be decided by open play, not a goddamn foul.

[Joe]

Well, he. Guess what. He allowed it to be side to open play. Allen tripped him. He didn't call the foul. He allowed it. But no, I think the Cavaliers being down and being able to be resilient and to continue to play. But you know what? In order you can continue to play Detroit. Got to be. Got to do some dumb boneheaded things, and they did. They did. You can't, Joe. Cade is your.

[Joe Johnson]

Cade.

[Joe]

Come on, Cade. You better than this. And you know what? I wouldn't even been mad if he took every shot. If he look at. If he look at JB and say, bro, I ain't passing this ball. I don't give a damn unless they trap. Unless they triple team me. I ain't giving this ball up. I. I let the. I'll let the 24 second clock run out.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Cause guess what? You let four of them go out. If they don't. If they don't. If they just don't score on one possession. I let 24 seconds run out, Joe. I guess what. I will win the game.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, look, hey, look.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

I still don't put it past Detroit to come back and win this series.

[Ocho]

You think they gonna get two games in a row, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

I think they can. I don't know if. I don't know if they will, but I think they built to where they can go in Cleveland and get.

[Ocho]

And win games built like that, Joe. And Tobias is struggling, trying to carry the whole team on his goddamn back with no goddamn help.

[Joe Johnson]

They went. They went through this last series.

[Joe]

No, you know, but this is the first game. This is really the first game. And what this game? Six and. And. And. And 13 games that Tobias did not play well. He did not play well.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Now he played well in the first half. You look at.

[Joe Johnson]

He made.

[Joe]

He was making plays in the first half. I don't know what happened in the second half, but he was playing well. I just think the turnover just caught up to him. You can't turn the ball over like. Yeah, they had. They. I mean, there was some costly turnovers. And Thompson, bro, you got to stop filing you. Joe. What he's doing is putting them in the penalty so early. They shot 38 free throws. They shot 38. They're plus 13 from the free throw line.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, got a question.

[Joe]

And James Harden is just going bloom, bloom, bloom. Now he, you know, hey, you know, he's like, yeah, yeah, you probably. Yeah, you. You. You messed those up a couple times. You'd have been, oh, he felt some type of way with that missed free throw. They come back and had won this ball game. And Donovan Mitchell, 6 and 6. You can't. He's putting them in the. He's putting them in the penalty. They. In six minutes, they shooting free throws. And you know how Aggressive. Donovan and Harden are. If they don't settle, they're gonna put pressure on you. And when they put pressure and they eat. Look, he's a hell of a defender, but, bro, don't work on any sliding drills. You got to work on shooting drills. You're killing your team.

[Ocho]

Hey, if Thompson's strength is defense right now, and he's not really that good on offense, does that mean his twin is probably the opposite?

[Joe]

No, his twin is exactly the same. His twin is a little better offensively.

[Joe Johnson]

A little better, right?

[Joe]

Yeah, a little better.

[Joe Johnson]

But. But I agree, man. That. That the off. This is an offensive game nowadays. Now, if you. If you great defensive like he is, man. Man, listen, he could be a hell of a player in this league, bro.

[Ocho]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

It's so. It's just too many times. He don't even look at the damn basket when he got the ball. For me.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean?

[Joe]

I agree.

[Joe Johnson]

And it's like, you know, it's just so much a. And then when you think about Harden and Mitchell, see, they. These are two. Two prolific scores in this league who really know how to use their body and use your aggressiveness against you.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. So we know you're gonna be trying to deny this. That. And it's just a little slight change of pace, bro. To where I speed up, slow down. Now you run into me now. But now you know what I mean. Now you done picked up y' all in the penalty. I. I agree with you. This is a learning experience for Thompson, bro. Guard needs two experienced guards who are drawing a lot of fouls on.

[Joe]

I thought he learned last year you gotta be better. You know who he had to guard last year? Bronson. And what Bronson do Stop. Let him run into it. And guess what? James Harden and Donovan Mitchell are the exact type of that. They're different type players, but they are. They're smart and they know how. Like you said, Joe, use your aggressive against you. All they're going to do is get you on their back. Get. Hey, keep you back there. Dribble the basketball. And guess what.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Joe]

You gonna try to block it. And guess what? They're gonna jump back into you. And they go into the free throw line, it's either. And what are they shooting? Two.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you went through. But I didn't.

[Joe]

With Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson is the master of that.

[Joe Johnson]

He is, bro.

[Joe]

James Harden started this as Houston with that dribble. Keep that dribble alive. He got you on his back.

[Robert Smigel]

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy. Not quite on Humor Me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier this week. My guests, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Sydal help an acapella band with their between songs banter.

[Podcast Interviewer]

Where does your group perform?

[Joe]

We do some retirement homes.

[Robert Smigel]

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to Humor Me with Robert Smigel and folks friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Timbo]

Last night, a blown call changed the game. This morning, the Internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source. The athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff that nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight reel. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports slice on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slice, Life 12 and the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok.

[Joey Dardano]

Hey, I'm Gerard Adonno. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out help. On the Internet.

[Ocho]

Help.

[Joe]

Somebody please.

[Joey Dardano]

But there's so much more to me than that. I'm an actor. I'm a comedian. And recently I've become quite the helper myself. And on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with my sage advice and thoughtful solutions. Psych. I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant and recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to man. If I'm calling you, even if you're on your phone, let it ring twice. One ring is too scary. Cream of chicken soup.

[Joe Johnson]

Egg cream.

[Joey Dardano]

Cream of chicken soup. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite as part of the Michael Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your Podcasts.

[Joe]

What's up, fam?

[Isaiah Thomas]

It's Isaiah Thomas and I'm C.J.

[Podcast Interviewer]

toledano. And our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without

[Podcast Interviewer]

Luca and Austin Reed and finding ways to win no matter what.

[Isaiah Thomas]

He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before, and he knows without Luca and Austin Reaves, I gotta manipulate the game.

[Podcast Interviewer]

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.

[Isaiah Thomas]

I think Joker's gonna be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed, he has to guard Julius Randle, and then he has to give us everything. He gives us on a night to night basis on offense.

[Podcast Interviewer]

And when it's friends stop by like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history, too.

[Joe]

Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell, get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball.

[Joe Johnson]

Like you go through a training camp

[Joe]

with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court and you gonna get the ball.

[Podcast Interviewer]

So listen to Point game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Leigh Ann]

Will Ferrell's big Money players and iHeart podcast presents soccer Moms. So, I'm Leigh Ann.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Leigh Ann]

This is my best friend Janet. And we have been joined at the hip since high school. Absolutely. Now, a redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip. Just a little bit bigger, hips wider. This is a podcast. We're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey with all the snacks and drinks. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Well, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar stuff here? Just hit.

[Joe]

What are y' all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album?

[Leigh Ann]

No, I wish you both.

[Joe]

I would buy. It cuts through the the defense like a hot knife through sponge cake.

[Leigh Ann]

That sounds delicious.

[Joey Dardano]

Oh, you're lucky I'm not a drug addict. You're lucky I'm not an alcoholic. You're lucky I'm not a killer.

[Ocho]

I love this team, and I'm really trying to be a figure in their lives that they can rely on. Oh,

[Leigh Ann]

listen to soccer moms on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast casts.

[Joe Johnson]

You got. Hey, you got to be super disciplined when you're playing against these guys, like, super disciplined. I mean, like knowing tendencies. You know, when James drive through the lane, he gonna have that low scoop to where he wants you to reach in. And he. And you know, you smack his arms like he, he foul baiting you, bro. And you got to know that that's why you have certain teams, when they played against James Harden in the playoffs, it's keep your hands back. Don't even stick your hands in there. You know what I mean? They just too good in that aspect of creating files. And they using it against Detroit, but, man, Detroit, they're gonna be. They kicking.

[Joe]

They let this one get away, this one get away. People like. But you won't. You want Detroit to win. I don't care. I want a game. To be honest. I want game seven. We get something to talk about.

[Ocho]

Listen, hey, I tell you ahead of time, I don't see the Cavs and Donovan Mitchell and James Harden let this game get to seven. I. I just don't. I'm just telling you now, especially playing at home, you want to close. You want to close it out, you know, get you. Get you a little bit of rest before you have to deal with them goddamn Nicks.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Damn. I don't know. Well, that's the mindset you hope they do.

[Ocho]

Got it, Joe. And Joe, listen, you've been wrong all goddamn playoff series long.

[Joe]

Joe,

[Ocho]

hey, as great as a knowledge as the game of basketball is that you do have. I have been right. So I think it's your best bet is to probably go along with what I'm saying.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, listen, hold on. I'm not counting Detroit out. I know you.

[Joe]

I know you.

[Joe Johnson]

I understand what Cleveland should be thinking and what they probably are thinking, but I'm think I know what Detroit thinking, too. Like one game at a time. We got to go down here. We got to have a game seven period. We got to win game six. So we going to throw the whole sink at y'.

[Joe]

All. Hold on.

[Ocho]

Who is the whole sink? Tobias and. Tobias and Cunningham. That's the whole sink.

[Joe Johnson]

Now, I see they switched up. What happened?

[Joe]

Duncan Robinson was out his back sore back way.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, Jenkins gave. Gave him great contribution. I mean, hell, he started off the game, he scored by the first seven points.

[Joe]

Yeah, they need Duncan spacing. They need his spacing because you got to guard him because he's go look. He's looking to get that three off.

[Ocho]

To get that three off. Yeah.

[Joe]

So I. I just think the thing is, look, and I. Yeah, I agree with you. I thought. I thought Jenkins played well. He had eight or 17, two or eight from the three, one on one from the free throw line. But Tobias. Tobias was one of seven from the three. He didn't shoot a free throw, which lets me know he was settling.

[Ocho]

And he wasn't aggressive.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he was.

[Joe]

He was settling. James Harden, 11 to 14. What you call him? Six or six. Donovan Mitchell, Evan Mobley, five or six. Jared Allen, four or five shrew to three or five strews. Two or two. I mean, look at. Look at everybody except Dean Wade. Way we just get cardio in. But for the most part, all those guys look at this. And then. Oh, man, During.

[Ocho]

Hey, how tall you. How tall you said during is, huh?

[Joe]

Like, damn,

[Ocho]

seven foot.

[Joe]

He just right. Right now, he a notch above Ayton.

[Ocho]

Notch.

[Joe Johnson]

That's it.

[Joe]

Because you know what? Watching him play these players.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I. I've been watching the entire time. I ain't got no choice.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, listen. What I've noticed is he trying to get the ball now and trade his own.

[Joe]

You saw that. Oh, Joe, you saw that too, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Lead right to a damn turnover.

[Joe]

The hell you doing? You know damn well that ain't your game.

[Ocho]

You gotta add, he got. Listen, I. I hate when y' all talk about players, right? Obviously, I'm not sure how basketball works, but if there's a flaw in my game and something I don't have and I know it's being exposed and in times that are important, like right now, I wait till the offseason come and add whatever that weakness is and add it to my game.

[Joe]

Oo he tried to do this in the game. I'm like, Patrick Ewan. Y' all remember when Patrick. Y. He started to do it a bit? It's. Hey, so when you practice that. When did I say? Work on that. Have you ever worked on that play before? Have you ever worked on that shot before? But so now you get in the game and you want to try that?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, you do that.

[Joe Johnson]

I said, listen, I seen the man dribble between his legs. I said, hold on. All right. Damn. Hey, hey, hey. Like Peter Paul. Peter Paul say, try it out. Damn.

[Joe]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Like during. Like, hey, I can't get nothing going. I'm gonna hoist up something. He said, I can turn right to a turnover. I'm like.

[Joe]

I'm like, gee, I'm like, off season. Oh. You know, it's hard to really work on your game during the season. You can't, because you got meetings, you got practice, you got games. You don't have that time to just devote two, three hours to just go over route running or, or, or, or move. Yeah, you work on little moves. You know, we got individual periods. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

Work on stuff.

[Joe]

Yeah. You can't work on the you base. Not just a warm up. Yeah, yeah, that ain't nothing. Just some warm up. Yeah. Off season, when you work on your game. I'm working on stuff individually. Then if y' all get runs, Joe, you know you get your runs in. I try to put it to use. Hey, I'm working on stuff in the off season now when I get back to many camps now, this is my opportunity. Let me see, let me see. Hey, let me see how this is.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. Yeah, right.

[Ocho]

And you know what? Hey, that, that foundation, that foundation of craftsmanship based on the position you play. Joe and unc, it's building off season, it's building all season.

[Joe]

It is.

[Ocho]

Once you get into that structured environment, whether it's basketball, football, hockey, I don't care what it is you play. It's all X's and O's. You got to already be the finished product once you get there. All that trying to work on stuff and change the game in the middle of the season, trying to add stuff. Ain't no room for that.

[Joe]

Nope. Because it ain't brought like, like Joe, you look, you can test to this. Joe, you land in a city late at night, I mean, you might get in 1, 2 in the morning. Okay, you want to sleep in. So by the time you land, by the time to get your ass off the bus, I mean off the plane, get on the bus, get to the hotel, it might be 2:33. Well, you got shoot around. What? You got shoot around 11, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

And well, on days like that, you, they may, yeah, you may have shoot around probably 11. Or if you got a game the next day, we'll probably just have a meeting at like noon or one o' clock in the hotel.

[Joe]

So you can't work on your game because it's. So what you gonna do? You can't get. Okay, go to the gym, work on your game. Now you're going straight to the game and you still can't work on it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So everything is just rolling so quick. That's why the off season is so important. That's where you build a foundation of what I'm going to do to hopefully be able to carry over into the season. Yeah, that's why we always preach how important, you know. Look, I get it. Go ahead and get your little vacation out the way. Because when you come back and set that foundation on you, the foundation is everything. Strong foundation. There can be no cracks.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, there can be.

[Joe]

No, I don't care. Because one pig built his house on a solid foundation. The other pigs built on some bull job.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

They badass had to run to the homeboy house or they about to be baking. Yeah. So get your foundation. Your foundation is everything. And work on and work from there. But.

[Joe Johnson]

And have a. Hey, hey. And you got to have a mean routine.

[Ocho]

Yeah, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm talking about a routine that you stick to no matter what the hell going on.

[Ocho]

You know what, Joe? That routine becomes boring too. Joe, it is. Talk about it all the time. About it all the time. That routine. Hey, find you. Find you one or two things. Every player, you have to have a niche. There has to be something that's special about you. Because everybody. It's a bunch of receivers. It's 32 teams. But you got to have one thing about you that is special that separates you from everybody else. Everybody. Fast, Joe. Everybody can't. Joe. But what is it about you that makes you different from the next person, not only on your team, but on the other. On the other 31 teams, which creates that value. That's what creates the value in you, Joe. I can do this, but nobody else can. Even though they can run and catch. But this one special thing about me, this is my niche. And this is why I'm a value to whatever team I play for.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

What we say all the time. Greatness is boring because it's. Monogamy is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for the same result. See, insanity is doing something over and over and hoping for a different result. Greatness is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for the same result. You see people, man, I don't know how you eat the same thing over and over. I can see you don't eat the same thing. And over. I can see how you look. I see big things in your future and I talk about a job promotion, but people get mad at me, Joe, when I. Man, how you. What? Bro, it's really not that complicated.

[Joe Johnson]

It's not.

[Joe]

It's really not. I say what you're doing is. You're mistaken. The habit for hard work. You think because you do something every day, you actually working hard?

[Ocho]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You doing that out of habit. Man, I get up every day at 4 o'. Clock. What you do? Man, I'll be busy. Bees are busy, ants are busy. What Are you doing? Yeah. To become great. I think we should. We should also highlight this, guys. Everybody does not want to be great.

[Ocho]

True.

[Joe]

We're specifically talking about people that want to be great have a burning and a desire to be great.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

It requires not only discipline, but it requires a commitment, not a promise. A promise is like pie crust is thin and easily broken. It requires a commitment. Everybody ain't committed to do this thing every day, all the time, dream about it, think about it, live it. Boy. Man, all you do. All you do is work out, man. What. What else you got? Because that's all I want to do. I want to be great. Because I do realize this is. As an. As a professional athlete, there's a very short shelf life. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a doctor.

[Ocho]

Small window.

[Joe]

30 years at this. I don't get 40 years at this. I get a finite period of time, I can walk away and say, hey, man, if I had just ate better, man, you know what? If I hadn't gone out, Joe, man, if I had just worked out a little harder, man, if I did, boy, if I could have studied, if I'd have known what I do then, what I know now.

[Ocho]

Now. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. Hello?

[Joe]

Man, come on. During. You, you, you. I mean, ain't no way you should be eight, nine points.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe. Hey. Who. Hey, who's the.

[Joe]

Who's the.

[Ocho]

Who's the NBA guru? When it comes to offense, where most of the players go to, it got to be one person.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. Meaning, like training.

[Ocho]

Like offseason training. Like, if you want to work on the office.

[Joe]

The guy. What's the guy with the beard? The Cavaliers.

[Joe Johnson]

Who? Chris Johnson. Chris Johnson out there in la.

[Joe]

What's the guy. He used to be coach. He was with Ty Lu. He was with the Lakers last year. No, no, no, no, no. Phil Handy. A lot of guys go to field.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Kyrie worked with Phil. He worked with a lot of guys. Phil. Phil worked with a lot of guys. Feel great at what he does.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

That's what.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Him. Hey, him. Him and Chris Johnson.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. UCLA runs.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know Rico. Rico, he's assistant coach for the Philadelphia 76ers.

[Joe]

Oh, is he?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but he still had them runs out there in la. He still got all them young guys together in the summer, and, you know, they play pickup. He teach them how to play. Ocho, you know, he got a nice thing. I played out there back in my day, man, he been doing that for a minute.

[Ocho]

I played at ucla. I did one time. I did a run one time with Westbrook.

[Joe Johnson]

Did you really?

[Ocho]

I was so for God. And I'm not saying I was a baby. I was young, but I was still able to move where I wasn't a liability out there with them boys. And I tell you one thing, I got the ball. I ain't do nothing with it but pass that. He had me looking silly.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Little boy getting it oo since I came into the league, you know, it. It. When I told you, when we had Master P on here and I told y', all, Master P got on our team, boy. Hey, it be some real Hoopers in there, bro. Hey, Ben Davis and Paul Pierce used to host them games in the summer. Used to go down up there.

[Ocho]

You know, who can hang with them boys. Even though he never played that level, but he's good enough. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

But you know. But you know what, guys? I don't know. I don't know what it is. Because a part of me think that if I were to go somewhere and I get some assistance, he might take credit for my success. And I don't want nobody to take credit for my success.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And I'm going to Elijah 1. If I'm a big man. Yeah. I want to work on my offensively. Who got feet? What big man had feet like Elijah one. LeBron went to him. So many guys have gone to it, developed that the up and under, the fade away. Wimby. Think about it. Not just Rockets players, outside players. He said, hey, I ain't hoarding this knowledge. If you want it, I'm more than willing to share it with you. You. But you got to break. You got to like. I don't care. You don't know how good you can be if you don't care who gets the credit. Man.

[Joe Johnson]

I know, man.

[Joe]

These dudes here. Oh, they got his. I know. If I was a basketball player, I know. I. Hey, where am I deficient at? I'm watching and I'm seeing where I'm deficient at.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Who can help me working on that. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

Going to get right.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm working on that.

[Ocho]

Matter of fact, Joe, I might go see Phil Handy before I play.

[Joe]

You go ahead.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I might do that and sharpen up my little foundation.

[Joe Johnson]

You can go see whoever the hell you want to see. That ain't gonna help.

[Ocho]

That's what I want you to think, playboy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. It ain't.

[Ocho]

I tell you one thing. I tell you one thing. Back in high school, do you know what they used to call me?

[Joe Johnson]

What they call goodness?

[Ocho]

My nickname. I have school.

[Joe]

There he go.

[Joe Johnson]

Way to use that.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, I like that one. I use that one. Hey, I used that one today at the workshop. Why?

[Joe]

Oh, you use it all.

[Ocho]

I had to use that one. That was a good one.

[Joe]

The next segment is brought to you by Tommy John, where comfort is the new power move. And the Lakers pulled a power move on LeBron. On March 31, the Lakers defeated the Cavaliers to secure LeBron James, his record breaking 1200 29th win. It was the same night Luca passed 15,000 points. Rui passed 5,000 points. JJ Redick reached 100 wins, according to Dave McMenamin. Lakers GM Rob Pelinka gave the game ball to Reddick over anybody else. And LeBron felt Palinka's priority was yet another example of the Lakers taking him for granted. On other notes, he has had a great relationship with JJ Redick. One thing the Lakers got right, the Lakers approach and how they show interest in retaining him. And their plan for any discount will be a factor. LeBron James. Here's LeBron James before Cleveland and with LeBron, seven years before he got there, there was 219 and 223, 40% win rate. The seven years with him, they won 63% of their games. LeBron J. Miami, before he arrived, there was 149 and 179, a 45% win rate. His four years there, they were 224 and 88, a 72% win rate. Cleveland before, when he returned, they were 97 and 215. They won 31% of their games. And his four years there, they went to four NBA Finals. They won one of those NBA Finals and they were 211 and 117, a 64% win rate. The eight years before LeBron got there, there was 269 and 371. They won 42% of their games. In the eight years with LeBron, there are 357 and 278. That's 56% win rate. So overall, before he arrived at your franchise, you winning about 40% of your game. Once he's there, you went about 62% of your games. So basically that's a 22 increase. Now this. And people like, oh, LeBron ain't do nothing. Eight years in Milwaukee. How many championships does Giannis have, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

One.

[Joe]

How many NBA Finals have he gone to? One. Right? He's Finals MVP in eight years in Denver. How many championships have Jokic won. Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

One.

[Joe]

Interesting. Now one guy. Now Giannis is deemed successful. Jokic is being successful. Only one Ocho with the same amount of championships.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

A finals mvp. Only one is deemed unsuccessful. You see how they did that?

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You see, if I don't like you, you can't do enough good to make me like you.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. Hello.

[Joe]

But if I do, you can't do enough wrong to make me dislike you. We see that going around. We don't. We don't get political here, but we see what's going on.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You see what I do with Ojo?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm with you when you're right.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. You watch a lot of Matlock? Hey, hey. That was my guy. Matlock.

[Leigh Ann]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Ironside. I don't know if y' all remember Raymond Burr. Ironside, he was in a wheelchair.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, Matlock. Heat of the Night.

[Ocho]

What you know about Heat of the Night? What?

[Joe Johnson]

Come on.

[Ocho]

Oh, Joe, Grandma used to watch Heated the Night, boy.

[Joe]

Man, come on. Hey, Joe, let me give you. I want to give these Lakers fans and all these Lakers. Now, this is what the Lakers record was in 2013. 14. They were 27 and 55. They didn't go to the playoffs the next year, there was 21 and 61. They didn't go to the playoffs the next year there was 17 and 65. They didn't go to the playoffs the year before. And in 2016, when LeBron James took off the NBA championship, there was 26 and 56. But, boy, the Lakers were bad. Boy, people couldn't wait to see the Lakers

[Joe Johnson]

in LA winning them amount of games.

[Joe]

You do realize in that time frame, they got Brandon Ingram, they got Alonzo Ball, they got Drew Randall. Now, how in the world would you be able to get the number two pick in the draft if you win, if. If you in the playoffs? How is that possible? How you get Lonzo ball if you in the playoffs?

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Joe]

Something. My granny used to say it all the time, Ocho, something in the milk ain't clean, but I'll let y' all keep on talking. But I. I. Hold on. Ain't no way to go with that. Give me Kobe at last. Pull up Kobe's last eight years. I want to see how many NBA. How many times. Let's see what he did his last. That's all we want. Last eight. We just go do the comparing and contrasting. Because I tweeted something in 2012 that I said, LeBron, the Kobe and Jordan were the greatest players I ever seen. And Then somebody. Somebody retweeted it. I say, but, you know, four NBA titles, four Finals mvp.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Seven. All NBA selection. And I say, my mind changed. I thought this was the girl for me, Joe, but after she left behind dry, I changed my mind.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

But people make it seem like you can't have it. You can't change your mind. So once you say something, I'm sure at some point in time, you probably might have thought this football player. I'm sure a lot of people say, well, Joe Montana was the greatest quarterback, or John Elway, or Dan Marino was the greatest quarterback. Peyton Manning. And then here come this kid that went in the sixth round from Michigan. I'm sure at some point in time, somebody said this guy was the best defensive player, whether it was Merlin Olson, whether it was Deacon Jones, it was Bob Lilly, Randy White, Mean Joe. But then this kid out of North Carolina came along. They had 56 on his back. And I'm sure that the corners, they probably said with Dick. Night Train Lane. Nah, it was for Lester Hayes, Mel Blunt, Ken Riley.

[Ocho]

Ken Riley? What you know about Ken Riley, huh?

[Joe]

So this, then, this little kid, skinny kid from Fam. From four miles.

[Ocho]

Kim Riley. Famu. Rattler. You don't. You don't know nothing about them rattlers, man. Hey, you know Ken Riley? Hey, Joe. Ken Riley, the only banger in the hall of Fame with Anthony Munoz.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, really?

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. He don't get enough. He don't get enough credit, man. Enough credit. Boy, he was good. Boy.

[Joe Johnson]

I learned something new every day.

[Joe]

We're gonna start from his last year. His last year, Kobe retired at 37 years of age, he averaged 17 points. 3. We'll give him 4 rebounds, 3 assists. 2014 at 36, he was 22. 6 rebounds, 6 assists in 2013, 14, he was 35. He averaged 14 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists at 2012, 13 at 34, he was 27. 6 and 6 at 2011, 12, he was 33. He averaged 28. 5 and 5 at 2010, 2011, he was 25. 5 and 5. He shot 45 in 2010. He shot 43 in 2011. He shot 46% in 2012. He shot 42 in 2013, 37 in 2014, 36 in 2015. Run me, run me, Bronze. Run me, Braun. Because we, like, do context, Joe. It wouldn't be fair. Ocho. We got to provide content.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Michael, listen, because you.

[Ocho]

You can't argue points and facts without context. And most of the time today, especially for you Hunk, you know, you want to be factual. You want to have. You want to have the facts in. In the stats of support, whatever it is you're trying to get across.

[Joe]

Because, see, I think the thing Michael Beasley told. He taught us, he said, man, you judging by decisions, but you didn't know the choices that I had. I'm just gonna provide a little context for you, because I know y' all like context. I got to give you why I said something or why this. Cuz, you know, y'. All. Y'. All. Y' all told me Kobe was still that apex predator. That's what y' all told me. That's what Laker Nation told me. Yeah, that's what you told me.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, we know, Braun.

[Joe]

Numbers don't surprise it. Don't surprise it. Don't spoil the surprise.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Hey, I got a question before you read off broad numbers during those times where Kobe's numbers were what they were. Was he injured during that time?

[Joe]

Whoa, whoa. Hello. All I'm saying, the man. 35, 36, 37. My guy, 40. So you.

[Ocho]

You going to compare. You're going to compare the numbers based on age at the same time.

[Joe]

LeBron, remember, LeBron didn't start the season. LeBron got hurt. Remember he missed the first 15 games?

[Ocho]

Okay.

[Isaiah Thomas]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yes, sir. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

So this is what he did when he got to the Lakers. 27, 8 1/2. 8. Do you realize there have only been four players to average that old kind of number? I think it was. I think Oscar did it. I think Jordan did it, Russ did it, and Harden did it. But all of those guys did it before they turned 30. He did it at 32, 33. These guys were doing it at 25, 26. So what guys was doing at 25, 26. Go. James was doing it 32, 33. Then the second year, he was 25, 8 and 10. Championship. And then he went 25, 8 and 8, 38 and 6, 29, 8 and 7, 26, 7 and 8. Last year, moving to the second option with Luca there, he gave you a robust 24. What was it? 24, 8 and 7. And then this year, yeah, he gave he a. Give you number a little 20, get a little 24 spot at the second option. DeLuca, he gave you 24, 8 and 8. And then this year, at the third option, 21, 6 and 7, shooting 55%. 51. Basically 52 from the floor. Has he ever shot less than 50? When he. With the Lakers. Okay. The year they won the championship. So his second year There when he averaged 25, 8 and 10, he shot 49.3%. Other than that, Joe, he's never shot less than 50 from the Lakers.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't think people understand

[Joe]

how

[Joe Johnson]

tough that is to do. Like to. To be that efficient, especially as you get up in age. Bro. The man 41 years old, what he shot this year, 51.

[Joe]

I think 51.5, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

That's. That's. I. I guarantee is nobody's ever done that.

[Joe]

Even he can't do enough good if he walk on water. People say the only reason he walking. Cause he can't swim. If he could swim, he would swim in the water. He wouldn't walk. Cures cancer, they say. What about diabetes Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah, right. Hey, you know, the funny thing is about. About this conversation.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

And you think about what Kobe means to la.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

You think about what Kobe means for the Lakers, what he's done for that franchise, you know, from the time he got there, you know.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

To the time. To his un. Untimely demise.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Despite what he looked like towards the end of his career, I don't think there's anybody that can come to the Lakers and unsee what Kobe did. Just. Just no matter what. Even what you reading off the stats, Even if you read. Even what you reading off the facts.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

And how great LeBron has been for them. Those are the Kobe fans or those that appreciate what Kobe has done for them. Nothing, nothing will unseat how they feel about that man. So when the conversation comes, nobody tried to. I understand.

[Joe]

That'll be the equivalent of all of a sudden Chase. Chase gonna have better numbers than you. But that don't take away from what you did. Nor is Chase trying to erase what you did. See what people see. Here's the problem that you're running into. Ojo and Joe, correct me if I'm wrong, you step in at any point.

[Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Joe]

Because. Because it was Kobe and LeBron for the longest period of time.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I can't get past that. You trying to come make us forget about Kobe. You trying to erase Kobe's legacy? All those Kobe legacy is. Is. Is enriched in Mount Rush. Rushmore cemented. Yeah. But people can't see. I can't. I can't. Look, Kobe is Kobe. Hey, no matter how you slice it, Kobe is a top three Laker all time. No matter how you slice it. Some people say Kobe, some people say Magic, some people might slot Kareem. But however you slice it, he ain't getting out of the top three right Right. There have been some other greats. You got Elgin Baylor. You got Wilt Chamberlain. You got Jerry West. You got James Worthy. You got mikan. You got LeBron. Kobe ain't getting out of the top three. And that's okay. It's okay to say, man, Kobe is great, but LeBron is a bad. It's almost like if I say LeBron is bad, I'm saying Kobe ain't no good.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Joe]

Right. See, that's what the problem is, Ocho. It's like if I say. If I say, man TO was a bad boy. What about oo? OO was great, too. I'm talking about to, right? If I say. If I say Jerry's good. Oh, you don't like Moss? Man, I. Hey, man, you know what I love? You know what I love in the morning on my cereal show? Bananas. Why you don't put blueberries on them? Damn. I don't dislike blueberries. I'm saying. I. I'm highlighting. I like bananas. You can like what you want. Yeah, but to say I hate LeBron and he ain't been good for the Lakers, you're not being just. You're being disingenuous.

[Ocho]

Okay, I got facts.

[Joe Johnson]

Facts. I. I think. And when you think about it, the fact that Kobe. That was the only team that Kobe ever played for was the Lakers. You know what I mean? He won, what, five titles? And, you know, yeah, they. They. They have had a disdain for LeBron over the years. Hell, when he won the Laker. When you won the Laker and you come playing against Kobe and y' all a mono amo. Yeah, they had a disdain. And the fact that he's probably moved around to a few different. Different franchises and left his stain, you know, I mean, they embraced him, don't get me wrong. But. But, yeah, they. They would never put him over Kobe, nor should they.

[Joe]

And he didn't go there to try to be. He wanted to go. Because think about it. We just read off what they were before he got there, right? They was winning 17 games. Ocho, 27 games. You was damn near getting a lot. You was damn near getting the number one overall pick. It's okay. I like Kobe. I love Kobe, too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Kobe and Bron were my two favorite players. Kobe was my favorite player before LeBron. Burns is from D.C. prince George County. He knew about Kevin Durant. I ain't know nothing about Kevin Durant. He said, let me. Hey, Sean, let me tell you what I do. I'll get. Hey, I'll give you LeBron if you let me get Kevin Durant. Cause it was my turn to take the next great player coming out of college. So it was my turn to get kd. He wanted kd. Cause KD was from his neck of the woods. I already had Kobe.

[Joe Johnson]

I said, hold on.

[Joe]

You gonna give me LeBron? And I still got Kobe for Kevin Durant. Oh, yeah. I jumped on that with both feet, Joe. I jump that with both feet.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I got one in the east and one in the west. And all you want is Kevin Durant, man, please. Yeah, got it. You remember. You remember they was thought they was going to the finals, and. And. And LeBron averaged 38, 8 and 8. And Orlando put them out. You remember they had the Muppet Series with Kobe and LeBron? I got the T shirt now. Y' all know how long ago they been. That's been, what, 2018. I still got a T shirt 16 years later with LeBron and Kobe, the puppets on it. Y' all remember the commercial used to have on? And Kobe be going crazy. LeBron said, Come on, Kobe, man, stop.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to like them.

[Joe]

You can. You could. Look, I can love a player, but I ain't gonna hate, man, look what I look like. Hate what Ocho looked like hating somebody. Ocho, prime example. You could have. I mean, I think it helped because you and TO was best friends before he ever arrived in Cincinnati. Yeah, but if somebody came and they trying to help you win a championship, man, I don't know why the fans, they're gonna say, man, I don't know why he came here. We got Ocho. Ocho, I got Ocho can still be y' all guy. But I'm trying to help Ocho. Ocho want me to come help him get a championship.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey. Hey, Joe. Well, I stood on that table. I was in Mike Brown office. I told Marvin, man, go get 81. I don't care what you got to do. I don't care what, man, go get 81. Boy. Boy, I'm so bad. That was. That was such a joy. I was like a little kid in the candy store joke.

[Joe Johnson]

Just normal.

[Ocho]

Dog was coming to play with me. I'm getting ready to be able to play one of the best in the world, boy. Joe top three all time, Joe. We on the same team.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Oh, hell. I told him, you get that, boy. I ain't got no problem being Robin to the Batman. Oh, I'm taking a backseat, Joe. Absolutely.

[Joe]

Think about that. Think about that. What Ocho had done for that organization. At that point in time, Ocho was the best receiver. I, I joke with him and you know, talk about downtown Freddie Brown or I talk about Ike Curtis. Yeah, Green. AJ Green. You had slim pickings. I was in the air with slim pickings. I was like, but Ocho, Ocho was the best. And for him to say, you know what? I slide to number two.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Quick.

[Joe]

After six pro bowls in a ten year span, all pro, the leading receiver.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't many guys.

[Ocho]

Hey, Joe, I, I understood what was coming. I, Joe, I understood what was coming into that building, boy. You hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. Was it more of. Obviously he was your partner, but did you look at it like, damn, I know he gonna take a lot of pressure.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no. Because I didn't see it as pressure. I was gonna get mine regardless. I understood with that dynamic how he could come help us and elevate us offensively. I understood what he could do in the slot on the outside. And then, not only that, they were always playing design for me. And Joe, when I played, I, I didn't need a whole bunch of volume catches. All I needed was folk. Four or five catches a game. Joe, I'm getting off. Yeah, I wasn't doing all. Yeah, little bubble screens and you know, slant routes. Joe, I'm running, I'm running routes. I'm over 100.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. But nowadays you'll be running that little bubble screen now.

[Joe]

Want to get down the field.

[Ocho]

Hey, you, you heard you.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Un.

[Ocho]

Ly. Joe. That, that makes me uncomfortable. I don't. Yeah, I need to know.

[Joe Johnson]

I need to be running routes when they run.

[Ocho]

You hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

When they run that bubble, you got to have some wiggle.

[Ocho]

I, I got wiggle joke. But I don't want the wiggle where everybody's in front of me. I want to know where everybody going to be at while I'm running. You get what I'm saying?

[Joe]

It's that side impact. It's that collision. Cuz you got to realize, I catch this, I'm coming inside. Here come dt. Here, come in here, come live middle backer.

[Ocho]

I don't want none of that, Joe. And you know what? And I, and I could, I could be honest, Joe. That. That's not my strength with, with the ball in my hands. That ain't my goddamn strength. I can't do what Chase do. He bouncing off tackles, bouncing off linebackers.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

That ain't me.

[Joe]

I want to catch the ball, beat the corner, outrun the safety. That's it. In the middle backer. The safety corner.

[Ocho]

Oh, no, I don't want no part. Hey, Joe. I don't want no part of that.

[Joe]

Here. Here's the tweet, Joe. Here's the tweet that they've been digging up.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, let me see.

[Joe]

Look at the date. When I tweeted that, what did it say? The greatest basketball players of all time. God. Air Jordan, Kobe. In that order. Hey, look at the date.

[Joe Johnson]

March 11, 2000.

[Joe]

Okay, tell the people, Ocho. Tell the people what happened in 20. In June of 2012, that year in Miam.