Nightcap Hour 1: PRESSURE is on NEW Eagles OC Sean Mannion + Bo Nix CLAPS BACK at Sean Payton + Josh Allen BLAMES HIMSELF for Bills FIRING Sean McDermott + Giannis to GOLDEN STATE?!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1 (Jan 30, 2026): PRESSURE is on NEW Eagles OC Sean Mannion + Bo Nix CLAPS BACK at Sean Payton + Josh Allen BLAMES HIMSELF for Bills FIRING Sean McDermott + Giannis to GOLDEN STATE?!

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Episode Overview

In this high-energy episode of Nightcap Hour 1, Shannon Sharpe ("Uncle Ocho") teams up with Joe Johnson ("ISO Joe") and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson to break down the NFL and NBA’s biggest stories. The trio dive deep on the Philadelphia Eagles hiring Sean Mannion as their new offensive coordinator, the public spat between Sean Payton and Bo Nix, Josh Allen taking the blame for Sean McDermott's firing, and swirling NBA trade rumors—especially around Giannis possibly landing with Golden State. The conversation weaves in sharp personal anecdotes, locker-room banter, and candid industry insights, maintaining the hosts' signature mix of humor and straight talk.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sean Mannion Hired as Eagles Offensive Coordinator

Time: 04:35–16:24

• Background & Skepticism

  • Mannion’s rapid ascension: only two years coaching (Green Bay assistant → quarterbacks coach), nine-year NFL career as backup QB.
  • Joe Johnson: “I like the hiring, but I don't like the fact that I didn't get the opportunity to interview for the OC job. I know what they need: creativity. They're too predictable.” (07:11)
  • The Eagles’ offense last season became stale; the consensus is Jalen Hurts needs more freedom, more playbook diversity, and a real vote of confidence from coaches.

• Jalen Hurts' Growth

  • ISO Joe: "I want to just see more from the quarterback. Jalen Hurts… improvising a little more… I think he second guesses himself quite a bit." (08:03)
  • Ocho: "Sometimes when you call plays… a player knows, damn, they really don't think I can do X, Y, and Z?… He's been to two Super Bowls, he's won a Super Bowl MVP—that should be enough. Let him be a quarterback." (09:14)

• Offensive Line & Saquon Barkley Impact

  • Injuries disrupted Barkley’s effectiveness, making life harder for Hurts.
  • Anticipated improvement: healthier O-line, more consistent run game.

• Call for "Seasoning"—Creative Scheming

  • Joe Johnson: “Add a little seasoning to it, change it up a little bit… just adding sauce to it." (14:17)

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2. Sean Payton & Bo Nix Disagreement

Time: 18:08–26:16

• Mistrust & Old-School Coaching Clashes

  • Payton overshared about Nix’s injury history; Nix held his ground with media.
  • Joe Johnson: “Head coach and quarterback supposed to be aligned… Bo already showed up, he not the one; you ain’t gonna be just talking to me any old kind of way.” (18:51)

• Old-school vs. New-school Players

  • Ocho: “The players different now… that old school way Sean Payton has is not going to work.” (19:05)
  • Comparisons to legendary coach Parcells and his abrasive style.

• Coaches Deflecting Accountability

  • Critique of Payton deflecting blame for a key 4th down call by talking about Nix’s health and firing the OC.
  • Ocho: “Let’s talk about that call. I felt if we went up by 14… But all this misdirection? That’s the art of misdirection. I effed up, let me see how much commotion I can cause.” (24:06; 35:19)

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3. Josh Allen Takes Blame for Firing of Sean McDermott

Time: 36:40–44:35

• Allen's Accountability

  • Allen stated: if he made “one more play” during the Denver game, McDermott would still be coach.
  • Ocho: “It’s easy to say what would’ve happened without knowing the actual outcome. We know what did happen.” (37:22)
  • Hosts praised Allen’s leadership in accepting blame.

• Playoff Pressure & What-Ifs

  • Regular playoff appearances are appreciated, but not enough—expectations were Super Bowl or bust.
  • Joe Johnson: “Even though that’s not where you want to be, if you’re right there every year, one of these years we gonna get over that hump.” (38:01)
  • Missed throws and turnovers in big moments define legacies.

• Comparisons to NFL Greats

  • Anecdotes about Joe Montana and other great QBs who overcame mistakes with clutch plays.

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4. NBA Blockbuster Rumors: Giannis to Golden State or Knicks?

Time: 47:44–59:20

• Steph Curry on Trade Rumors (Quote)

  • Steph (via Ocho quoting): "We're not ignorant to what's going on around the league—rumors, trade talk and who's on the block… But until somebody tell you put the offer on the table, all you doing is burning my minutes." (47:44, 54:09)

• Likelihood and Cost of a Giannis Trade

  • Hosts debate whether Golden State or New York could realistically land Giannis, what assets it would require, and the league-wide ramifications.
  • ISO Joe: “I don’t really want to see Giannis in Golden State. I don’t want to see him in the West… I wouldn’t mind seeing him go to the Knicks or Miami.” (48:54)
  • Deep dive into hypothetical packages: OG Anunoby, McBride, draft capital, etc.

• Player Empowerment in Trades

  • “You gonna be in a rush because you know who run the league? The players.” (51:47)
  • Acknowledgement of stars dictating destinations, leveraging contracts.

• Discussion: Lakers as a Destination

  • Realistic? Not likely unless they massively gut the roster—not even LeBron is movable due to his no-trade clause.

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5. Karl-Anthony Towns' Trade Rumors & Player Psychology

Time: 61:55–68:21

• KAT’s Response to Rumors

  • Ocho (paraphrasing KAT): “I’m not worried about what anybody has to say or people write… focus on getting wins.” (61:55)
  • ISO Joe: “He can say this doesn’t bother him, but he's human. You hear these whispers.” (62:46)

• Expectation vs. Reality—Playing in New York

  • Fans’ frustration with Towns’ perimeter-oriented game; desire for inside physicality—breakdown of Knicks’ historical culture.
  • Ocho: “Cat game ain’t really New York… they want you to bump and grind down there and that ain’t Cat’s game.” (65:03)

• Trade Anxiety and the Human Side

  • ISO Joe (on getting traded): “You gotta uproot yourself, go somewhere else, establish yourself. That’s the nature of the business, but at the same time, you thinking, ‘damn, I gotta start over.’” (68:21)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Play-calling & Confidence:

  • "If you call plays and don’t open it up…the player feels you don't have confidence in him." – Uncle Ocho (09:14)

• Accountability in Leadership:

  • "It’s easier to blame someone than to accept accountability, especially in a situation like this." – Uncle Ocho (21:19)

• Comparing Creativity in Offenses:

  • "Add some seasoning… just add sauce to it." – Joe Johnson (14:17)

• Player Power:

  • "You know who run the league? The players." – Joe Johnson (51:47)

• Cultural Fit in New York:

  • "Cat game ain’t really... New York. They want you to bump and grind down there, and that ain’t Cat’s game." – Uncle Ocho (65:03)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [04:35] – Intro to Eagles’ OC hire; deep dive on Mannion’s background
• [07:11] – Joe Johnson critiques Eagles' predictability and need for creativity
• [09:14] – Ocho on Jalen Hurts deserving trust and playbook expansion
• [18:08] – Bo Nix vs. Sean Payton; player-coach alignment issues
• [24:06] – Discussion of distraction tactics and misdirection in coaching
• [36:40] – Josh Allen’s self-blame for McDermott firing
• [38:01] – Joe Johnson on playoff consistency vs. championship expectations
• [47:44] – NBA trade rumor segment: Giannis to Golden State/Knicks
• [61:55] – KAT reflects on trade rumors; hosts discuss NY culture
• [68:21] – Joe Johnson shares personal experience of being traded

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Tone and Language

The trio keep it real, with seamless switches between technical analysis, locker-room banter, and storytelling. Humor is threaded throughout—especially when discussing “seasoning” offensive schemes, recounting family discipline, or drafting NBA trade hypotheticals. The vibe is unfiltered honesty, delivered in the lived-in cadence and vernacular of ex-pros talking amongst themselves.

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Closing

Nightcap Hour 1 balances hard-hitting football and basketball analysis, culture and business of pro sports, and the off-the-cuff wit of its hosts. Each segment pulls back the curtain on the complexities of leadership, accountability, and life in the league—whether on the field, in the locker room, or in GM offices as trade deadlines loom.

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Transcript

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

No problem.

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[Joe Johnson]

You know what Unc, I'm gonna be honest with you. I like the hiring, but I don't like the fact that I didn't get the opportunity to interview for the Office of Coordinated Job for the Eagles. I know what they need. What they need is creativity. Now where coach is coming from under that umbrella tree with Kubiak and goddamn Sean McVay. I think it can be good with the officer with the offense needs in Philadelphia is a little bit of creativity. Young. I agree they're too predictable. You know I mean, you. We talk about it all the time, Joe. Knowing what routes are being run.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Based on receivers alignment. I mean, just, you know, no creativity at all. I think if. If he's able to bring some of that and open up, Open up what Jalen Hurts is already able to do and add something else to his game, I think they're gonna be all right.

[Uncle Ocho]

You like it? You like it, Joe?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't really know, to be honest with you, Uncle Ocho. I don't really know much about the coach, but I. I think I want to just see more from the quarterback. Jalen Hurts, you know, just improvising a little more. Uncle Ocho. Getting outside the pocket, making plays and. And throwing dots, bro. I think he got it in him. I think he second guesses himself quite a bit. But the Eagles, they. They definitely got a nice squad, man. They can get back on track and get back to playing championship ball. But I think it's gonna come down to quarterback play, man. Him. Him, you know, getting outside his comfort zone and being a playmaker.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I like that, too.

[Uncle Ocho]

Go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what? Just. Just to piggyback on what Joe was talking about, I would love to see Jalen be able to do a little bit more. Some of the things that people say he can do, especially when the running guy, the running game is stifled as it was last year. I would love to see him be a pocket passer. I would love him to see. Obviously, the offense wasn't predicated on him having to do anything outside of what they call, but I would love them to add a little bit more on his plate, give him a little bit more so we can see him develop more as a pocket passer outside of what he normally does.

[Uncle Ocho]

I like it. I think the thing for me, Ocho, is that you said they need to open up the playbook and allow Jalen Hurst to be more of a quarterback. I think the thing sometimes is that when you call plays, you can. A player knows like, damn, they really don't think I can do, but X, Y and Z. And so by doing that, you like, damn, do they got confidence in me? Cause they call him plays as if they don't have confidence in me. Because somebody that calls plays, they allow me the freedom, the latitude to do a lot of things. And this offense really. I don't know if this offense allows Jalen Hurst to do a lot of the things that he could potentially do. And especially now at this stage of his career, his sixth or seventh year in the league. Ocho, you got to open the damn playbook up. You got to let him be able to go to the line and change plays on his own. He's not a first or a second year quarterback. You don't have to keep the training wheels off. On, on, excuse me, on for perpetuity, allow him to be a quarterback. He's going to two Super Bowls. He's one elite. He's won a Super bowl mvp. That should be enough. That should say, you know what? I have faith in this young man. I'm going to take the wheel, I'm going to take the guardrails off. I'm going to allow him to be what I believe he can be. I just think the thing is like when you call plays for a significant amount of time and you don't open it up, the player starts to. Starts to feel that you don't have confidence in him. And then when you don't have confidence in him, I don't care what you hear. A lot of people say, you just need that one person to believe in you. The one person. And some. And maybe that's this offensive coordinator. Now, he's very new. Ocho, he started out as an offensive system assistant. He became a quarterbacks coach last year. And Jalen and Jalen Hurst, Jordan Love had a really good season. He got Nick and didn't have the type of season that you know, you would hope had. Got up to a great start, start against Chicago, but they end up faltering late in that ball game. But I like this hire. Maybe look Green Bay and in the west coast system and I think there's a misnomer. They still want to run the football, but they do so much more off of it than what the Eagles were doing. And, and I think the thing is with Jalen, hurts legs. I think he does a great job. Yeah, he's strong. He can squat 600 pounds, but I think he does a great job of getting out of bounds. I think he does a great job of getting down and not test, not taking unnecessary punishment. Now look, sometimes you're gonna have to. On third and one, Ocho, fourth and one. You're gonna have to lower your head. You're gonna have to get that extra yard. But for the most, for the most part, he does a great job of taking care of himself. I, I like this hire. I like it. I do.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

You got it.

[Joe Johnson]

I done messed up my camera. Hold on.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, I don't know what this. I don't know what he doing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey. Huh. But the Saquon, the running back hey, man, I don't know what happened, but it seemed like one year made a huge difference because I think when he's dominant, when he's dominant like he was a year, a year ago, I think it's a lot easier for Jalen. It is back there as well. Yeah, but, but, but the fact that I, I think, you know, he was decent this year, but he wasn't what.

[Uncle Ocho]

He was the previous year. No, you're right, Joe. I think that he's the, the, the, the, the way you help the quarterback the most is run the football. They made a cut. Teams made a conscious effort to stop Saquon Barkley. The offensive line was beat up a lot. Also, Dick's Dickerson had surgery right before the season. Jurgenson had surgery, if I'm not mistaken, in the off season he wasn't totally healthy. The right guard, they didn't really find an adequate replacement for Makai Becton and, and you saw Lane Johnson go out. He was in and out and he was dealing with injury. So the offensive line as we knew it the previous year wasn't even close to what it was. Now you're going to get lame back. Hopefully Dick Dickinson doesn't have to get surgery. Jurgenson doesn't have to get surgery. They'd be able to not train instead of rehab. So that should, that should help Saquon a lot more. That should help this offense a lot more. Because when they run, when Saquon was running crazy. Now all Jalen Hurst does stick the ball out to Saquon and pull it back. Now you got Devonte, now you got A.J. you got Goddard and those guys running scot free. So that's definitely a, A plus when you can run the football. Go ahead, Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, I, I, but I, I want them to evolve when they're not able to run the ball. I need the creativity, I need the schemes, I need the different formations I need the most. Yeah. Yes. They're put. Putting A.J. brown in the backfield, putting Devonte Smith in the backfield. Some of the things you see them do with puking the cool. Some of the things you see them do can bring that same type of creativity or a similar style to west coast offense without really taking away from what you actually do, just adding, adding sauce to it. When you got. Damn, Joe. When you cook food, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You add, you add seasoning to your food, Joe. That's all I'm asking the Eagles offense to do. The new offensive coordinator to do. You already got your recipe right. Add a little seasoning to it, change it up a little bit. So when you get in situations where the running game's not working, you're still able to operate in other ways. That's all.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Uncle Ocho, I think for me, you know, when you look at it as players, it's only so much the coaching staff can do, man. You know, we get in between those lines as athletes. We the ones got to improvise and make plays at the end of the day, you know what I mean? So as much as the coaches help, when you get out there in between those lines, man, it's got to come out of you, you know what I mean? Like, you got to be a playmaker. You got to make things happen.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think the thing is, in last year, they didn't really have a guy that could scheme guys open. Yeah, sometimes it comes down to talent, and sometimes I have to call the play Ocho, and I just say, ocho, you got to go beat this guy. I ain't got nothing creative. I ain't got nothing exotic. I'm not stacking anybody. I'm not putting anybody in motion. I'm not put. You know, I'm not doing anything like that. You see. You see what Clint Kubiak did? He put JSN in the backfield. He slips him out. He runs the 7 route. The backers get confused. They go one way, and next thing you know, he's wide open for a touchdown. Or you see what Sean McVeigh does in that situation where he does it with Puka and he gets guys open, he gets devonte open at some point in time. I can't scheme you open, son. Sometimes we pay you $20 million. You just got to go get the f open. That's what it comes down to. You just got to go get open sometimes. Now, I'm going to always try to put you in the best situation, but sometimes it's you versus him. You want it more. Now, look, I can't make a living oo running 15 digs and four outs and three goals on the left side. I've got to get more creative than that. I just do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I agree.

[Uncle Ocho]

So I like to hire. I know. I don't know how well he'll do, but I remember him coming out of Oregon State. Oh, that's your. That's your alumni. That's your brethren.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that day. That. That's my alum. That's my alum. That. Yeah, I like him. Listen, when you. When you mention him coming under from that umbrella tree with Kubak and Sean McVeigh, I'm sure he gonna bring some of that sauce with him. He got to. You got to. Because them, hey, them Eagles fans, them Eagles fans, they don't play.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. You know, you had, you had Kellen Moore for a year. Oo in his first year there. You go to the super bowl, you win the Super Bowl. They look dominant, they look really good. And the only time they seem to be challenging the postseason was get the Rams. And the Rams had to throw in the end zone and, you know, and the guy, he kind of dropped it. The guy made a great play on it, but other than that, they ran through everybody else that was in the postseason. Kelly Moore parlayed that, got a head coaching job at the Saints. Best of luck to him. He's done a great job. But you take for granted. And you think just because, well, they got the same talent. But no, everybody doesn't have the same mindset. Everybody doesn't have the same IQ to call certain plays and down and distance and area of the field. So Kelly Moore is great at that. You saw what he was doing in Dallas. They were the second highest scoring team. Dak was throwing for 4,000 yards, routinely having great season. They just couldn't get over the hump. The defense let him down some, and when the deep, when the offense faltered, the defense couldn't bail him out. And with the defense and offense made one mistake, it was pretty much over because everybody was just going up and down the field. But I think, I think Manning would do a great job. An interesting exchange of words happened this week between Sean Payton and his franchise quarterback, Bo Nicks. Guys, let's take a listen to the exchange between Sean and Bo.

[Joe Johnson]

A condition that was like predisposed right at that where when the.

[Uncle Ocho]

They always find a little bit more when they go in.

[Joe Johnson]

And it wasn't a matter of if, it was a matter of when. Didn't have any predisposed issues.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, my ankles were feeling really good.

[Joe Johnson]

He said he had one in high.

[Uncle Ocho]

School and then he said he had one at Auburn.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think he really should share.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How many surgeries I've had in the.

[Uncle Ocho]

Past, to be honest with you. But because I don't, you know, he.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Doesn'T really even know that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well. Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. Hey, they. Hey, hey, listen, if I'm not mistaken, the head coach and the quarterback supposed to be on the same page at all.

[Uncle Ocho]

You're supposed to be joining him.

[Joe Johnson]

Those. Hey, Joe, them, the two people that's supposed to be aligned and everything on and off. The field.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

And Bowden already showed up. He not the one. You ain't gonna be just talking to me any old kind of way. We've seen that with him. That was his first year, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Rookie. Hey, Joe. He had. He had the buck up at Sean.

[Uncle Ocho]

Talk about, man, no, I'm not one of them crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm not one of them. And so this is another example of. Boy, you sharing a little too much information like what you doing. Hey, hey, Unc. The players different now, man. The players are different. You have to conduct yourselves and carry yourself a certain way. That old school way Sean Payton has is not going to work. No, he's been able to bully other players. You know his approach and how he treated Russell Wilson on the sideline. You not finna be able to do that. Come on now. Yeah, both showing you he's treat.

[Uncle Ocho]

He's treated a lot of players like. That's. This is who he is. This is Parcels. He learned under Parcels. This is how part you. You remember Parcels. When he said that about Terry Glenn, he wouldn't even speak to because he didn't want to, but Jerry Jones did. He wouldn't speak to him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And he called. He called. He called Terry Glenn a derogatory term. Even his wife say that's unnecessary. We called him.

[Joe Johnson]

She back down?

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, she got a groin injury or something. She got something going on.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, because he was hurt.

[Uncle Ocho]

So that. That. That's who this is. This is who Sean Payton is. Me, I probably would have had a problem with that coaching style because you can't talk to me any kind of way. I won't let you talk to me any worse than what my grandmother talked to me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So hold on. Y' all think he do that with all this?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, it doesn't matter. It does not matter if you're the superstar or the lowest tier. Absolutely. That's. This is who he is because that's how Parcels was.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Old school. That's that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Old school. Old school. Yeah, but I mean all this distraction. And look, he fired. He fired Joe Lombardi, who's the offensive coordinator. And they look at a date, they see this Davis. Was it Davis Mills? What's the. What's the quarterback's coach? Davis Mills. But now you see. Well, he's looking for an offensive coordinator. Well, if you wanted. If you wanted to, because I believe you could have demoted here. You just the way you handle it. Ocho Joe, you demote if you want. If you want Davis Mills to ascend, you just demote. And then Joe Lombardi's like, hey, either I can. I can step take a step back or I can, or I'll just move on that way. It's his choice. But when you fire the man because of a call that you made, even if there is a case that you want Davis Mills and you, Davies Web, even if you want to keep Davis Webb, it just looks suspicious that you fired a guy that didn't call any play. And he damn sure didn't call that fourth down play. But now the reports are that he's looking for another offensive coordinator. You had one. You call that, Sean. You just got to own that one. And sometimes Ocho and I know it's hard. It's hard. Sometimes it's hard, Joe, to admit when you're wrong, when you made the mistake. It's hard to admit that it's easy to place the blame or something. Man, who left this damn refrigerator open? You know damn well you left that refrigerator open. But it's easy to try to put that on somebody. Man, who left this? My grandpa. Who left these lights on? You the last one in there. Everybody in the. Everybody in the room. What you mean who left the light on? You did. But it's easier to blame someone than to accept accountability, especially in a situation like this, Ocho. Because this was an opportunity to get to the super bowl. But there's not enough people in close proximity that you can put that blame on. The defense gave up less than 200 yards.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Joe Lombardi does not call plays. So who did decide to forego points and go for it on 4th and 1 and run a very similar play that you ran the scored on the first touchdown, knowing that the likelihood of them giving up a similar play is not very likely. Give them credit defensively because they blitzed. There's like, if you run the ball, we're going to stuff. You run. And guess what? We got you out flanked to the short side of the field, too. So you did. You're dead to right? You're done. You're done.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You would have to hope for. Hey, Joe. It would have had to been a busted coverage. Somebody had a slip in the hall. But running, running that boot to the short side of the field.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nate Jackson, who I. I remember nasty Nate. A player injury, history, medical details or confidential information. Sean Payton refused to discuss any player injuries all year. Then when Bo Nicks get hurt, all of a sudden he's singing like a canary. Weird. To say the least. It is.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, I think he's doing it basically to take away from that F up that he had. Yeah. Yeah. So now the conversation that's being had is the exchange between. Between him and Bo instead of that goddamn ass for down call that bone.

[Uncle Ocho]

That bonehead play, he went for her. Yo, but that's. But. But that's what I do. If I mess up, let me say. Cause what you did as a child, Ocho, when people get on me, they talk about my clothes or they talk about the way I talk, I start talking about somebody else, they start laughing at them. They forget that somebody had got on me first. So what I do to make y' all stop forgetting about that? Ocho said that effed up call, man. Let me fire the offensive coordinator. Let me talk about Bo Nix was predisposed.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Just because you're predisposed to something. I have a cancer. Runs in my family. So does diabetes, high blood pressure. Now, I've had prostate cancer, but that doesn't mean I don't have high blood pressure. I don't have diabetes. So just because you're predisposed, that doesn't mean you'll get it. That means you're more susceptible. Yeah, there's a greater possibility. But. But why are you giving out this man details about his medical history? He said okay. If he said it, they should have it on record. You don't need to regurgitate it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, no need to tell us.

[Uncle Ocho]

And besides, that still does not excuse. I don't care if he had both legs in a cast. They got to do that call you made. Let's talk about that call. I felt if we went up by 14, 10 would have felt like 14, considering how poorly and inefficient they were. Ineffective they were at moving the football.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm. Like I said, like, I. I think Sean's a phenomenal coach. I just think some of the things. Is that the old school in the way you talk to player and. Look, Ocho, you know I'm as old school as you come, but I do realize that you got to talk to people a certain way now, the way the. The way you and I was raised, we could never raise our kids like that. We going to jail. Oh, no, we going to jail, Joe. It's really that simple.

[Joe Johnson]

Like that?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, well, my grandfather, grandma, mama just pick up something and bust hell out you broomstick. Shoe hitch. It ain't no matter which is stitching, cords, train tracks. You going to jail.

[Joe Johnson]

I used to tell you. Yeah, Grandma used to tell you, go get me a switch from the tree. You know, I mean, hey, I'M gonna get the. The flimsiest switch I can find.

[Public Ad]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Just to kill time. Because I know she gonna send me back out to get the right thing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

There you go.

[Uncle Ocho]

But you got to be careful, Ocho, because some of them flimsy ones that things don't break, they just. Hey, I try to find me something that's brittle. Oh, this thing look real good. Hit me one or two times and it's all over the floor. You gotta. You gotta be careful when you bring back in the house. But hey, the trick. Yeah, hey, they be knowing you gotta stay close.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, the trick, you got to stay close to her when she tries.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah. So she gets some of that. But here's the thing. She get mad. Cause you know, you don't made a heal just like you. Hey, somebody make you bite your tongue or somebody make you stub your toe. If my grandma stop being a patriarchy, start gritting them teeth, I'm gonna change your ass.

[Joe Johnson]

I never forget them days. It's so funny, you know, I'm not sure how y' all got beaten, but my grandma used to beat me. She used to talk. Yeah, she would talk with every. With every lick. I told you. Yeah. Not to be acting up in them people school embarrassing me like that. Oh, my goodness. So mind you, I got the whole beating was a whole nation.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, my grandma told me I should have told your ass up last week when you acted up. And then. Yeah, Joe, you know what? You know, used to make me mad. You have relatives come over. You know, I had to tear that boy ass up. Ain't nobody asked you that, granny. Why you gotta mention that? Yeah, I sure told that ass. And I shut down on him.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I never forget. Hey, hey, Joe. Yeah. Hey, Joe, grab my favorite line. I'm sending you to school. And I'm telling you right now, if I get a call wherever you show out, that's where you're gonna get woe out. And lo and behold, boy, if I'm acting a fool in class. And that teacher called. I remember I got embarrassed in front of the class one time. Boy, as a freshman at Beach High, I never forget. And she came in that class. Obviously I'm a little older now. And she walked in that door. Hey. Sat in the chair right behind me. Man, I was so embarrassed. So I'm so embarrassed.

[Uncle Ocho]

I was worried about it. Calling the house. That phone was disconnected. Calling. You want to. You ain't get it. All you get is a busy tone. Go ahead, call.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Go ahead, right?

[Uncle Ocho]

That ain't Got nothing to do with me. But, oh, my old big mouth sister.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

She snitched on you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Granny. You know that boy don't listen to nobody. Hey, shut up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's. Cause that's. The uncle said he used to snitch on him. Yeah, yeah, they snitched on her.

[Uncle Ocho]

I would. But the best thing about it, because you gotta realize, like when I was in. My sister's eight years older than me. So that was in kindergarten. My sister was like a what? A freshman. Freshman in high school. Then I had two aunts, so I went 73. I think Gladys graduated in my 73. So Gladys might have been a senior. My aunt Gladys was a senior. Jane, Sherman, Libby. So all them. So, you know, back. But it's funny. The white. The black people sat at the front of the bus. The white people sat at the back of the bus.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

When you was in school?

[Uncle Ocho]

When I was in school, the whites, we sat in the front. The black people sat at the front. The white sat at the back. So my two aunts would sit together, living. One of my. And Spanky and Buck. My sister would sit together. I have a seat by myself, stretched out. You understand? What?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Can I sit with you? No. And what have you, a big old seat by myself.

[Joe Johnson]

It never be. It never.

[Uncle Ocho]

It never. It would. It would never be. You don't know. If you knew what you. If you knew what you know now, then you would have did things differently. You would have behaved differently. But I'm not so sure. Oo. If we had behaved differently, we wouldn't be who we are today. Because it took Joey. It take all that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Cause I already know. I was. I was good in school, but I was. I was sneaky. I would, you know, I would do stuff. And when my. With Libby or Spank get the best of me, I'm taking off. I'm Holland. I'm telling.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey. My granddad be like, hey, who made that boy cry?

[Joe Johnson]

A d. A deep voice and all.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's how you talk. Hey, leave that boy alone. So you know ain't nothing wrong with me but since he say leave that boy alone who made that boy cry? Now I got to cry. Oh, oh, I'm about to run. That's how. That's how Spain got so fast. Cause he had to catch me before I tell Papa.

[Joe Johnson]

Pay, you gotta pay me something.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Uncle. Oo. My girl probably used to talk to us through the screen, though. He wouldn't even let us in the house. He like, what you want, man? We come down here to chill. Now, I know y' all come down here trying to pimp me and your grandma.

[Uncle Ocho]

Get away from r. That was. That was. That was a. And live. I tell. I tell. I. I couldn't help it. I don't know why I was like that, though. We weren't raised like that. Spanky would never tell. Would never tell. The youngest, Marinell would never tell on Gladys. Gladys would never tell on Marinell. Sherman, Dean, and Jane never told on each other. But me.

[Joe Johnson]

And see, I know. Hey. I know. Hey. Hey, Joe. Hey, we talked about, you know, that hypothetical situation with. With the rip if we had 24 million to split.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. We might not be able to do it.

[Uncle Ocho]

That was long. Times was tight.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But you know, it's. If it was in you back then, it's still in your knife. Joe, what you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What you trying to say?

[Joe Johnson]

We might have to take uncut, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You already know. Cause this man ain't trying to now. They already know. We go. Hey, what y' all find in the house? Nothing. Well, damn, y' all was gone an awful long time. Yeah, but we had to make sure we, you know, make sure we went through the house thoroughly instead of leaving, like, calling somebody. We done stashed a couple of. We don't stashed a couple of bricks. He want to take all the money.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they. They don't know. They sent us on the case. Right. So listen, we went on the case. We thoroughly checked the house upstairs, downstairs, did everything we needed to do, went behind the walls. We under the beds. Matter of fact, we checked the dog house. We digged up the dog house to make sure there was nothing up under the dog house. And we didn't be. We didn't find anything. We did paperwork. Matter of fact, we called. We called in backup. After we stashed everything we needed to stash, we ain't find nothing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think that's the conflict that me and OO gonna have. I'm willing to give something.

[Uncle Ocho]

Thank you, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ocho. They gonna give us probably a little bit of whatever.

[Uncle Ocho]

They're not gonna give us anything. Joe, man, you know good and well. You know.

[Joe Johnson]

You know good and well, man, you look.

[Uncle Ocho]

But that's how y' all know we.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

We all got five.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes. Let them have the other five. That level eight. So guess what? OO we gonna get some new vests. We gonna get some new body cams. We get some new cars, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I don't like. Damn, My camera went. I Meant my light went out. Hey, you know what? I don't like that. I'm gonna have to take both of y' all out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

See what I'm saying? Greed.

[Uncle Ocho]

Greedy. He greedy.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, hey, God. God. God put that there for a reason. God put it there for a reason. Y' all talking about giving it back. Listen, stuff don't happen by accident. Blessings in that kind of magnitude. That ain't no actual.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't say we give it all to him. I'm saying we give some of it to him.

[Joe Johnson]

It. If he wanted him. If he wanted them to have it, he would have put it in there.

[Uncle Ocho]

How about this here? We consider that our tides.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, well, we give it to the church. We a give it to the station.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no. That's, that's, that's the tie. That's, that's what we left for them. I would break the church off, too, but I got. You got to get. Break the church off in increments.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You.

[Uncle Ocho]

Know, you can, you can't just go dump a hundred thousand. The church, they're gonna be looking at. They gonna be looking at you sideways. Not.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, you done told them.

[Uncle Ocho]

Exactly. Yeah. You know, dropped off the bag.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I'm help with the building. Fun. You know, they always want to get them windows fixed.

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, that, that build, that building ain't never been. That building got no roof, ain't got no windows to it. They got nothing. So I already know the building for. I already know that building ain't gonna get completed. So I would start with a piano. I'm gonna buy some new pews, new pool pit. I would do all that. The building for it is a lost cause. That's the bridge to nowhere. But no, I, I, I just think Sean. I think we're all in agreeance here that Sean is trying to do the art of misdirection. I effed up, right. Let me see how much commotion I can cause. Yeah, it's gonna be a long until they get back into a similar situation in advance. There's not gonna be. You're not going to be. No, not, not, Not. An egregious, like an egregious era like this. And when you have a backup quarterback, I don't know if he'd have been. If they would have killed him as much if he'd had both Knicks, but, you know, you got a backup. You know the weather is going to get worse because that's what the forecast had predicted. And then you still roll the dice by going for it and you crapped out. Josh Allen blames himself for Sean McDermott firing and believed that they would be in the super bowl right now if he had made one more play. If I make one more play that game in Denver, we're probably not having this press conference right now. We're probably not making a change. In all honesty, we're probably getting ready to play another game. Well, the weather in New England was worse than the weather in Denver, and you were gonna have to play a lot better, a lot better than what you played in order for you to advance. Now, I'm not saying that they cut, I mean, this wishful thinking. Not everybody can say that, Ocho. You know what, Ocho? If we had beat Pittsburgh, if y' all beat Pittsburgh that year, Carson doesn't get hurt. It's easy to say what would have happened without knowing the actual outcome. It's easy to say this. What would have happened?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

We don't know what would have happened. We know what did happen. But you're right, you're right. I'm not, I'm not surprised. I think a lot of people are surprised that Sean McDermott. But Ocho and I was talking about this Joe in October, and I told, I said he on the hot seat. He's like, man, you think so? Autumn, postseason. I said, yeah, but he ain't got to the play. He ain't got to the Super Bowl. And you got Josh Allen. Many believe He's a top three quarterback, especially now that he has that MVP. Another season in which he had 40 plus touchdowns. That's five, six seasons in a row he's had 40 combined touchdowns. And you haven't gotten to the super bowl yet. So I, I, I knew, I, I knew the writing was on the wall.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And it, it, it's funny. And, and Joe, this is probably why I'm not a gm, probably why I'm not an owner, because they were always making it to the playoffs. To me, even though that's, that's, that's not where you want to be, but the fact that they're one of the few teams that would be in contention every year. So if we not making a Super bowl, but we right there, and knowing Coach McDermott is my head coach, one of these, one of these years, we gonna get over that hump. We gonna get over that hump. So now you change the head coach, but obviously you didn't go out. You didn't go back and get, you didn't go out and get anybody new. You just, you, you have Joe Brady who was already there. So I'm. I'm assuming even still, they're probably going to get there, and it's all going to come down to Josh Allen and what he does in the postseason.

[Uncle Ocho]

Absolutely. It. And it normally, it always does. That's why he makes the most money. That's why more times than not, that's the guy. That's the face of your franchise. So when that guy plays well, you see Drake May, he made. He made. He made a few more plays than what Jerry Skittle made. You see Sam Darnold, he made a few more play. And that's what it comes down to in those big moments like that, Joe. It comes down to that. You, a. You want the ball in your best player's hand. Basketball, you want the ball in your best player's hand. Now, if we can force it out of your best player's hand, if we can make an auxiliary, your second, third, or fourth best player, take that shot, I can live with it if he makes it. I just can't live with it if your best guy takes and makes that shot.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right, right, right. I. I think with Josh Allen, obviously, Uncle Ocho, y' all know his competitors, man, when you have a. When you're in the playoffs and you have a game the way he did.

[Uncle Ocho]

What he had five times, he had four turnovers. Yeah, they had five total turnovers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. And, yeah, so I like the accountability that he took because, you know, it hurts going into the summer. Uncle Osho, you got to deal with that pain. And you keep replaying it in your head. Man, if I could have just had maybe one turnover versus four or five, you know, maybe we could still be playing. So I understand that part, because you don't get a chance to get that back till you start back playing. You know what I mean?

[Uncle Ocho]

And plus, Ocho, we talk about the turnovers. He missed a throw that would have won him the game. He had to. Tight end on the far cross. Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

And he rushed it, too.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

There was no need to rush that.

[Uncle Ocho]

And that's the thing. Not only did he have the four turnovers, all the turnovers would have been forgotten. If he makes that one throw, makes that, that one, and sometimes we talk about it, it's two or three plays that really determine the outcome of the game.

[Joe Johnson]

Outcome of the game. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You hit that throw, you turn the ball on four times, ain't nobody talking.

[Joe Johnson]

About those four turnovers because you'll be playing. You'll be playing next weekend.

[Uncle Ocho]

Everybody talk. Yeah. I give you a prime example Go back and look up that championship game. The catch by Joe Montana. See how many turnovers he had in that game. Go look it up. What do you have? Four or five turnovers. But don't nobody remember Joe had that minute. I watched the game. I know how many. Go back and see how many had. Does anybody mention the turnovers that he had in the NFC Championship game? O Joe. Joe. All they talk about was what the catch. That throw. Yeah. And really and truly he said I was trying to throw it away because I needed to get it over too tall. Who's 6 foot 8, 6 foot 8, 6 foot 9.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

So it doesn't matter how bad you play, all that goes away if you make one play. What, what did Joe. I think he had three interceptions and a fumble is the 81 championship. And that was the end of the Cowboys. I'm sorry, Joe, Come on, chill.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got chill.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on now.

[Uncle Ocho]

But, and we we've seen Tom have a couple of turnovers early. We've seen great quarterbacks have turnovers early. But we only remember the good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

You find it. It's. And so all that, Everything Josh said is true. He knows, he knows if he plays well, they win that game. And Sean McDermott is still okay. See, don't nobody remember that, though. So unless you watch the game.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

How many, how many had Four picks and a fumble.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

But everybody remember to throw the catch.

[Joe Johnson]

Who is, who is that tight end, number 87.

[Uncle Ocho]

Dwight Clark was a wide receiver, rest his soul. He's passed away. I think he had, I think he had Lou Garrett.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay. Oh, Dwight.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, they had Dwight Clark, Freddie Solomon. I think that that was the year they ended up playing Cincinnati in 81 in Detroit.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we should have won that game.

[Uncle Ocho]

Erroll Cooper. And then guess what? Y' all played him again in the 88 Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

We should have won that game.

[Uncle Ocho]

Lewis Billups had to had the game one. He dropped the pick. Remember? That was the game. Jerry goes for 200.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, Jerry.

[Uncle Ocho]

49Ers as a team turn the ball over six times. We don't remember that. We don't remember that and still game. Damn. Because why oo that throw. And they went on and won the super bowl. So ain't nobody talking about no turnovers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Uncle Ocho]

But, but Josh, I, I, I, I love the fact that he's like, look, I got to bear a lot of responsibility on this. You know me, I, I, I've got to take better care of the football. And when the opportunity presents itself, I've got To make that throw. Josh Allen too good not to make that throw. That's not a difficult throw. That's not a. That's not an Eli Manning, demario Manningham throw. Ocho. Yeah. That's not that kind of throw.

[Joe Johnson]

It was simple. It seemed like. I'm not sure why you.

[Uncle Ocho]

I don't know either.

[Joe Johnson]

He didn't have no pressure, and the tight end weren't wide open.

[Rob Gronkowski]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm talking about, hey, Joe, the title. He might have been too open. Too open. He's just sitting there chilling. That would have been an easy. Easy.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's just up. That is not a drop in the bucket because they're the underneath guy. But the bad guy was trailing. Tight end had done came clean. He had split this. He had in between the both of them a lot of space and he overshot him.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

Well. So we'll see if Joe Brady is the right guy. Is the right guy. I think he has. I think he has a couple of years to get this thing turned around. They probably. They need some. They need a one if. If A.J. brown is available. You got to go get him. You gotta go get him. Oh, you got to. And you definitely need to let him go, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know, I know. They. It's been a little disgruntled over there in Philly with A.J. brown, but, man, you let him go, what you gonna get in return, Uncle Ocho, you take.

[Uncle Ocho]

You take. You take the draft capital. Because sometimes. Sometimes, Ocho, look, I think for me, just listening to AJ Talk, even after. Even after being, what, a second team All Pro, even after making a Pro bowl, winning the super bowl, he like, right? I don't feel what I thought I would feel. So I don't know what's going to make him happy. So at that point in time, and then ask you now, maybe a. He. He's like, you know what? It ain't gonna be better anywhere else. Blah, blah, blah. And he. He says, I want to stay. But I think the thing is now considering how. How it ended, I. I think. I think it's best for the Eagles to go their way and AJ to go his.

[Joe Johnson]

I told you. See, I told you, huh? Told you. Told you. I. I can see it now. You on one side, Keon Coleman on the other. You know, hey, Joe, I'm gonna get Keon right this off season, come back with a whole. A whole different mentality. That's all it come down to up here. Get to get that out. Get that out your way, man. Shoot. Keon Coleman, AJ Brown, they're gonna be like Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right, now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm telling. I'm telling you.

[Uncle Ocho]

So we'll see what, what, What Buffalo does as far as free agency, what they do in the draft to. To finally be in a position, you know, hopefully you can get back to that position again. You get back to the playoffs, Ocho and say. Because the thing is, ain't no guarantee you get back to the playoffs, and if you do, there ain't no guarantee you'll be in a more favorable position than what you were.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man. And the chances of everybody being out and being hurt like they were this.

[Uncle Ocho]

Year, the likely of that happen.

[Joe Johnson]

These, These. This was your best chance. So next year, the year after, you're gonna have to run the gauntlet. Right. You gotta. You're gonna have to beat them, boys.

[Uncle Ocho]

We. Oh, Cho. Steph Curry answered the questions about Giannis trade rumors this week, saying we're not ignorant to what's going on around the league. Rumors, trade talk and who's on the block. We've always had an expectation, myself and Draymond, on just knowing the conversation happening all the time. I don't ever get into hypotheticals. It's a waste of time, it's a waste of energy. It's not my job to do that. Mike Dunn leaving in the entire front office, I'm sure making calls, I'm sure they're taking looks and see what's going on. And if there's some. Something material, something real, we have a conversation about it and the decisions are made. That's our process. It's always been that way. Golden State has long waited for Giannis and the position to be a competitive offer. I don't know, Joe. Do you see a scenario where Golden State has the pieces, the draft capital to get a Giannis or. It's going to be a bidding war, and I think it's going to be a bidding. Maybe the Knicks or some other team.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think it's going to be a bidding war. And I don't see the warriors getting him, because when you think about it, Jimmy Butler's hurt.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Uncle Ocho]

So you can't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Obviously, you can't trade him. And I don't know if Milwaukee, if they have anything else that Milwaukee would like. No, honestly, I'm. I. I don't really want to see Giannis in Golden State. I don't want to see him in the West, Uncle Ojo. I want to see him stay out East.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I wouldn't mind seeing him go to the Knicks. Or Miami, I think, you know, it definitely helped with disparity in the league as far as keeping the talent. Spread it out.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because that west is a gauntlet, man. It's going to be tough trying to come out there West, Uncle Ocho.

[Uncle Ocho]

Especially when I got a question when Yolk get back.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Joe, you said you love to see him in Miami, right? Is there a scenario, any type of scenario, where they can keep Bam and have Giannis too?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't, I don't.

[Uncle Ocho]

I, I think so. I, I think I, I don't think they want to get rid of Bam, but they, I don't know how they keep Hero. I don't know how they keep. Where in that scenario though, Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's the thing.

[Uncle Ocho]

And I know they really like where. I think they really like where. I think Pat is not happy that he hero seems to get nicked every year and he, I, I think he's talked about that. He's a good player, but we need him to be a good player for the entirety of the year, not for three quarters of the season.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right. Hey, and, and Giannis, he fits that culture over there, that he culture. Hard working blue collar guys gonna bring it every day, you know what I mean? But I'm be honest, I really want to see him in New York. Uncle Ocho. I, I just from a basketball standpoint, as a fan, you know, when New York is playing well and going deep into the playoffs, obviously it's great for the game and, and it'll help, be honest, brand plus it'll help the Knicks as well. I think they got some pieces on to where they can give up and make it happen. That's what I'm saying.

[Uncle Ocho]

But, but Joe, I'm gonna need Cat. Cats are given. But I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need, I'm gonna need OG Geek. I'm gonna need either Josh Hart or I'm gonna need. What's the other one name? Bridges.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Mikhail Bridges.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm gonna need one of them along with Cat, Mac, bride and draft picks. Now I'm not saying I need all three of them, but I'm gonna need one of them. Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you go. You could, you could get like, you could get like Cat, OG, maybe McBride and some draft picks.

[Joe Johnson]

Not three. Just make, make two. Joe, come on now.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, bro, that's Giannis.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, you hold on. You can get, you can get Cat and you can get McBride and drink and then you get.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm gonna need one of the other ones.

[Joe Johnson]

You're not taking three of my players, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on, Ocho. The man still got two years left on his contract. If I'm Milwaukee, I ain't really in no rush to do nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you gonna be in a rush because you know who run the league? The players, actually.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right.

[Public Ad]

He.

[Uncle Ocho]

So he got this year and 26. He a free agent in 27.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know how. You know how to play as our Joe. If he say he want out, which he's not gonna do publicly, you know damn well to get him out.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, but you. You. You.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm just not gonna take no anything now. You know, I need some confidence.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Where we can still be so I.

[Uncle Ocho]

Can be competitive, because I'm not the likelihood. I mean, think about it. Kareem left in what? Kareem left at what, 70, 74, 75. And it took you to 2011 to get. So it took you 20 plus years to get another player. What's it like, little. You think you're gonna get another. Kareem was a. A top 35, a top 50 and a top 75 player. Giannis is a top 75 player. He'll be a top 100 and so forth and so on. What's the likelihood you think you're gonna get another one of those players in the very near future? Ocho. So I gotta. I gotta. I got. I gotta get a premium for him.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, are you. You ain't getting a premium from it because you're not getting equal values.

[Uncle Ocho]

But I gotta get something.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

I see.

[Uncle Ocho]

Man, I can't give up my whole. I mean, that'll be the biggest mistake since Aesop gave his kingdom away for a horse. I mean, you tried to be a jack of the beans, dogs. You want me to get this thing away from some jelly beans and hope they grow? He.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yanis Giannis morphed into what he is today, though. Uncle Ocho. Them first couple years, it was rough.

[Uncle Ocho]

He was rough.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What? He was nothing like this Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He was skinny like a little bean pole out there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Y' all almost had him. Joe Giannis.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What you mean?

[Uncle Ocho]

He almost came to Atlanta. Yo. The draft picking.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. But they not to get Giannis to come here.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, no, no, I'm saying when he was. When he was. When he was in the draft.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, you'd have to give up too much. They gonna want Jalen Johnson. They gonna want all that. They gonna want Alexander. They gonna want Alexander. Walker.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we. We stopped listening at the first name you said.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, see, they gonna want that. They probably gonna want a kangaroo. Kangaroo. They go, hey, they gonna want all that. And then by that point, like, so what have we done? He back. He back in. He back in Milwaukee. He just happened to be in Atlanta. He further south. Depleted your whole team.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You done depleted your whole team. And you probably ain't got but like two, maybe three years left with him.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, you can't do that for sure. So. But look, Steph's like, look, I don't. I don't really deal with. Y' all ain't finna get my hopes up. There'll be conversations. Just like a lot of other teams are trying to position themselves to be able to get one of the top five, top six players in the NBA now, right. If and when that. That becomes serious, I'm sure that Joe and Mike Dunn, Levy, they'll reach if Steve, they'll have a sit down conversation with me and say, what do you think? And I'll give a. I'll do this or that. It's really that simple. All this hypothetical and this could happen, and that could happen. Let me know when. When Milwaukee says, put your offer on the table. Because until then, until somebody tell you put the offer on the table, what we doing? All you doing is burning my minutes. Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, you know it's coming. February 5th is right around the corner.

[Uncle Ocho]

And if it doesn't happen this summer, if it doesn't happen at the trade deadline. It's happening this summer, Joe. It's happening this summer.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think some. I think it's gonna happen before.

[Joe Johnson]

It's gonna happen before the.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got, he got, he got. He got the remaining of this year, Ocho and Joe, and then he's a free agent in 27. So theoretically, he only got one more year on his contract, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. So I think. I think they want to go and probably get something done. What you think about him going to the Lakers?

[Uncle Ocho]

What they gonna give up? Austin Reed?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Austin Reed, Rui Rui, Austin Reeves.

[Joe Johnson]

What.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Else you can throw in there?

[Uncle Ocho]

Marcus Smart.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know.

[Uncle Ocho]

I think you gotta keep Marcus Smart cause he's your best own ball defender.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Or if I could get Giannis in LA outside of Luka and LeBron, whoever. I got to give up. I'm probably gonna give up Ayton.

[Joe Johnson]

But you gonna. You're gonna be playing three on five.

[Uncle Ocho]

We playing that way now, huh? I don't know if you noticed his motor his motor don't run his motor. He don't, he don't run hot for me. I mean, I, I, I just can't. It's just his attitude. It's the, the, the, the lack of dazzledness. It's the who.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, so you giving up Aiden too?

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So Austin Reeves, Aiden, it's gonna, it's gonna talk.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's gonna take Austin Reeves probably Rui. That, that first pick. Pick swaps. Yes. Y' all talking about Trey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

LeBron.

[Uncle Ocho]

LeBron has a no tr. Okay, let me explain this to you. LeBron has a no trade clause. In order for you to trade LeBron, he would have to wave just like Bradley Beal did. He waived his no trade clause in Phoenix. Yes.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And he ain't waving it to go.

[Uncle Ocho]

To, no waving it to go to Milwaukee. He ain't waving it to go anywhere. Now there's a possibility he might not be back because I think he's gonna have to take a pay cut to come back because if, if Austin Reeves is not dealt with, they're going to sign Austin reeves to probably 200 million. 242, 32 something. So with that being said, you cannot trade a man. He had. He was one of the two players that has a no trade clause. No other player in the NBA has that currently. One player. LeBron. Not Jokic, not Durant, not Greek freak, Giannis, nobody Shay name a player. Only LeBron has a no trade clause. So that's pie in the sky. That's wishful thinking. He ain't waving it to go to. Y' all think that man gonna wave his no trade to go to go to Milwaukee after he, after he done came from Cleveland.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man, listen, that's must, that's must. See tv if you can get Giannis and Braun on the same team.

[Joe Johnson]

That's not fair. But that's gonna cause problems though. Joe Goddamn. Luca ball dominant and Giannis ball dominant. So who the hell gonna bring that?

[Uncle Ocho]

Well, Luca and LeBron can handle the ball. LeBron has done a great job of playing off the ball. LeBron don't really. LeBron is not really on the ball anymore. Mainly the two, the two ball handlers has been Luca and AR has been out. And so LeBron has been on the ball a little more. But even though he's conceded some of that to Marcus Smart.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I agree. And if you, Giannis, and you do get, and you do get a chance to be in that situation. Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Obviously you won't have the ball as much in your hands because you can do so many other things, right. It's kind of like when KG went to Boston. You know, they force fed him in Minnesota, but when he got to Boston, he won defensive player of the year, all that, you know what I mean? Because he locked in on the defensive side and he said, look, we got Paul Pierce, Ray Allen. Those guys offensively can get off. I'm gonna get mine. But at the same time, I'm gonna lock in defensively, shut my man down, be the anchor defensively. And I think Giannis can do that, the same thing. I think he can be an anchor defensively. And the Lakers need that man. They need that interior presence, shot blocking. And then when he get the rebounds, he can bust out, push it on a fast break and create opportunities and plays not only for himself, but the guys around him. That would be a great situation, actually.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

How tall Yannis, how tall Giannis is?

[Uncle Ocho]

Six eleven.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Six, eleven, seven foot.

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man. Cheat code. We a whole cheat code out here.

[Joe Johnson]

So he like Katie, basically. I mean, I'm talking about height wise.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yes. Yeah. And you got to realize Boston outstanding defensively because they had Tony Allen, they had KG guys that were guys that would really lock in and play defense. That was it. That was their whole thing. This is what we gonna do.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And you know, KG came from averaging anywhere from about 20, 25 and 12 Minnesota. And then when he got to. When he got to Boston, he was still averaging about 20 and 12. But, you know, his. His points dipped a little bit, but his defense.

[Uncle Ocho]

His defense picked up shot blocked because he didn't have to focus on offense, he had to focus on offense in Minnesota. Right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ocho, you don't know what to do with that, man. Chill out.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Hey, y' all talking basketball. Y' all got me hyped. What? Y' all got me hyped.

[Uncle Ocho]

O Joke. The baddest speech writer of them all, a short film co directed and produced by Steph Curry, won the short film grand prize jury at the Sundance Film Festival this week. It's the. If I'm not mistaken, I think it's going to be the last time that it's going to be held at Sundance is going to be in. Wow. It's in Wyoming. Right. But if moving it, I think they're moving it to Boulder because that's what Robert. I think that's what he found it back in the 70s, but I think this is the last year that it's going to be. Huh? I'm sorry, Ash. When I have free time, I'll be reading Carl Anthony Town say he isn't bothered by being mentioned in trade discussion with the books about Giannis. I feel like I've been in trade rumors a lot for a lot of times. For a year. For a year. Damn near that don't matter to me. I don't look at social media or none of that stuff. I focus on the job at hand, which is trying to get wins every single night. As long as I do that, I do my job, I go home happy. I feel accomplished. I'm not worried about what anybody got to say or people write or anything like that. He's taking a step back, deceiving. In 44 games, he's averaging 20 points, 11.6 rebounds, 3 assists. Ocho. Joe. Joe. Let's see. You think Cat is in decline? He's starting to show some decline.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't want to say decline because, you know, when I watch him play, obviously he had nights to where he looks spectacular, but then he has some nights to where he like in single digit points. It's almost like, you know, it's almost like he's just not giving the effort. But I, I think, I think he, I think he's still a great asset to the team. They got so many guys who can put up numbers from OG to Mikhail Bridges, obviously Brunson, so they don't need him to carry that load night in and night out. But they do need him defensively, you know, locked in on whoever it is.

[Uncle Ocho]

When he do that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I know, I'm just. Okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

I was just asking.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he averaging 11 rebounds, but that's what I'm saying, you know, we, he. He can say that this doesn't bother him, but he's human.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, of course.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You hear these whispers. Yeah, you hear these whispers. You hear all the stuff that's going on around you, Right. And we, and we try to act like it don't bother us, but it does, bro.

[Uncle Ocho]

It does.

[Joe Johnson]

So you, you think, you think him hearing those rumors. Uncle Joe and, and you think it, if it does bother me, you think it affects his game too?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't, I don't know if it affects his game, but as a player, you definitely, you definitely hear the whispers, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, if you want to be in New York, obviously.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Who want to leave New York and go to Milwaukee.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Uncle Ocho]

Got nothing but a Harley Davidson plan. Who riding motorcycles? Cat. Don't look. Cat have to get a special motorcycle for them long ass legs.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right. And he from that area too, so.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah. Cat from Jersey. Yes. He Home?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Just got engaged and everything. He ain't really trying to uproot the family and go to Milwaukee.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, no, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

The team don't care nothing about it.

[Uncle Ocho]

They don't, but you have to understand.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Not if they can get better.

[Uncle Ocho]

Of course. And Giannis is an upgrade. There ain't a whole lot of players that Giannis is an upgrade from. Right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[Uncle Ocho]

But you have to look, when, when, when, when, when, when Cat was the de facto guy. Cat go get you 25. But then Ant man came and now he ain't the best player anymore. He goes to New York, he ain't the best player.

[Joe Johnson]

Whoa, bro.

[Uncle Ocho]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, my ass.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I think a lot of people, especially Knicks fans, they just want to see Cat assert himself, you know, a little more than what he's doing instead of just selling for jump shots, you know, every night. Being a seven foot center. Uncle Ocho, who shoots, shooting threes, probably more threes than anybody in the league.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They want him to get on that block. They want him to cause mismatches so they can create opportunities for these other guys. That's what, that's what the riff is about. For real.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Uncle Ocho]

It's. Look, when you in New York, what are they known for? They had big guys, they had a. A Willis Reed, bang. You had Oak and you had a Mason, you had Charles Smith, you had Xavier McDaniel. They like grit. They tough. Cat game. Ain't really. Ain't, Ain't New York. I know you think New York, you think Broadway, you think Madison Avenue, and you think all. They want you to bump and grind down there, and that ain't Cat game. I've come to the realization, Joe. I think you finally come to the realization. Cat ain't really trying to do the bump now. Hey, back in the 70s, that was a dance on your. The bump. I don't know if you remember the bump.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, what you said.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat woman.

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Uncle Ocho]

OO Doing the bun.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Doing the bu.

[Uncle Ocho]

That's the bump. O. Doing the bump.

[Joe Johnson]

That's the bump, Joe. Hey, Joe, I. I used to do the bump at, at the prom. At the prom. They let you know who played the oldies at the prom.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, the bu. The hustle. Do the hustle. But that's, that's. But that's, that's not his game. And, and at some point in time. Joe, how long can't be in league. A decade. Cat been league about 10 years, ain't it? Maybe a little more sure. Probably about 11. Yeah. Yeah. So and so at this point, you are. What you are. To ask him to be something that he hasn't been in his previous 11 years and to say, now, this is what we need you to do. I just. It's just hard. It's just hard for him to do it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's just not in his makeup.

[Uncle Ocho]

No, no, he's a finesse. He's an outsider. He don't want. Hey, he don't want that ugly. He don't want that. Joel and B gonna bump. I think, you know, there are times I think Joy and B shoot too many threes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, get on that block. Like, yoke. Yo get him. Hey, yo, get somebody down there.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, he punishing, but he got a different type of bag, though, huh? Yo got a completely different type of bag than goddamn cat. So he willing to get down on that block. Hey, and got. And got about 32 different. Different tools in the toolbox. He can.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hello. Hello.

[Joe Johnson]

And yo, nice with it.

[Uncle Ocho]

What's wrong with.

[Joe Johnson]

Yo, his ankle messed up, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Like, hyper extended it.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Hey, hey, when you hyper, extend your knee and. And you get up, right? Joe, it feel like it's. It feel like spaghetti. Like it's. Like it's no support there. I. Yeah, I remember. I remember that feeling, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

So, Joe, you. Joe, you heard trade rumors. So. So when you hear it, you like, man, I'm just gonna play my game. It's gonna happen, whatever happened. But when you hear the reporters come to you every day, well, Joe, have you heard about this? And what are your thoughts about this? Does it. Does it get annoying? Or do you like, well, damn, I'm out here balling my ass off. Y' all won't try to get rid of me. The.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The times I got traded, it was in the summertime, both times. And it was, you know, when I left Phoenix to come to Atlanta, it was, you know, it was time for me to get a new contract. So it was a sign and trade deal, which is understandable.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, you. You welcome that. Cause you ain't want. You ain't want. You ain't want Phoenix to trade. You want that bag now?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm trying. I'm trying to get that bag, but when I got here to Atlanta to. And got traded to Brooklyn, you know, I was called totally off guard. I got a call from Darren Williams, who was playing for the Brooklyn Nets already.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, the point guard.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he called me Ocho one day. He said, hey, it's like, it's like in July. He like, hey, what you think about coming out here playing in Brooklyn? I'm like, bro, where you getting this from? He like, man, he. He was like. Just said, what'd you think about it? I said, well, you know, it's whatever. That's what they gonna do there. That's what they gonna do. And two days later, without me talking to the team, without the team calling me, obviously, we had just brought some new people in the front office, like Danny Ferry. Danny Ferry came into the front office.

[Joe Johnson]

I remember Danny.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And he didn't.

[Uncle Ocho]

He was.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Poker face. He. He wasn't telling nobody nothing. Like, he never spoke to me or talked to me, period. He can't. I was the first person he traded, and that was it. So, you know, that's kind of how it happened. But during the season. I've never really heard trade rumors during the season, but, yeah, it affects you, bro, because at the end of the day, like. Like, uncle say, you know, you gotta uproot yourself, and now you gotta go somewhere else and try to establish yourself. So, I mean, obviously, it's the nature of the business, and this is what we signed up for, but at the same time, you thinking like, damn, I gotta start all over. I gotta learn these new dudes again. I gotta learn this coaching staff again. I gotta learn this different organization and how it's being ran. So, yeah, it's a lot that comes into play with Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Why? The truth say he. He been locking LeBron down in that. In that Eastern Conference when he played Miami, and LeBron put 49. Paul Pierce. The truth.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Paul, funny boy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, he a special individual. Ain't nobody. Hey, hey, like I said, they had. They had a great defensive team that year. But to stop LeBron, maybe you can contain him a little bit.

[Uncle Ocho]

But if he.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

If he's going 40, 45, 49 points, man, you ain't stopping nothing, man. You. You know he gonna get his. You just gotta hope those other guys around him don't, Don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't get this.

[Uncle Ocho]

He like, man, I've been playing LeBron, hey, I'm LeBron stopper. LeBron said, okay, stop this.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

They say, hey, look, because Anki Ocho, you know, that Boston Celtics team with Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, they kind of. They sit. They kind of sent Braun to Miami because he knew he couldn't win in Cleveland, playing against that big three led by. Led by Rondo as well. So that's. That's what he's really talking about. You Know, like, man, we sent him on. We. We. We canceled all that. But when he got to. When he got to Miami, when he.

[Uncle Ocho]

Had some equivalent players, you ain't send him home.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, sir. Hey, they had some epic battles, boy.

[Uncle Ocho]

But they had them because, remember, they in game. In game five, they beat. They beat Miami in Miami. And KG and Paul Pierce said, we ain't coming back here because Game 6 was in the Garden. LeBron said, Y' all will be right back here for game seven.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Watch that boy lost his mind in the Garden. Braun, did they?

[Uncle Ocho]

Game six, 45 and 15.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm talking about it, wasn't it. It ain't one just a 45 Ultra. It was a loud 45.

[Uncle Ocho]

It was how he got.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Wasn't just like he had 20 free throws getting to the money.

[Uncle Ocho]

You hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

And you know, Brian remind me of myself a little bit in high school.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yo, go ahead and tell him to cut it out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he already know. I don't know what's wrong with him.

[Joe Johnson]

No, I'm just saying. I'm just reminiscing on, you know, some of the time when I used to play basketball, Joe. That's all.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. You know, you lose it after a while when you're not. When you haven't done it in a long time. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes the muscle memory come back. Sometimes it don't, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

It didn't. Cause we saw you shooting them trash cans. It ain't coming back.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I mean. I mean, listen. Hey, I told you I wasn't dressed right. I wasn't dressed properly, so I really couldn't extend like I wanted to. I couldn't get my form together. My T shirt was tight, the jacket.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Was heavy, and you were playing against a bad mo. Foe. At the end of the day. At the end of the day.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Uncle Ocho]

Unc.

[Joe Johnson]

There you go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm just.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't bring it up.

[Joe Johnson]

There you go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm just saying now.

[Uncle Ocho]

Unc brought it up. Laughs.

[Joe Johnson]

It'S okay. And so. Hey, Joe, let me. Let me know your knee, right, though. Let me know you need.

[Uncle Ocho]

Right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

My knee. My knee. Hey, it's getting better and better by the day.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay? I hope so, because I. I want you to do me a small favor. Right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What's up?

[Joe Johnson]

Like, remember. Remember pro versus Joe's? Yeah. I think we need to go ahead and have a one on one, Joe, me and you. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, we can do that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. We need to make that one of them episode too. And when I. When I. When I. When I trash, Joe, you know, when we go to 11 and you get this work, I don't want to hear nothing no more. No more trash talking about, you know, you. That's. This is what I do, Joe. I'm gonna talk you out your game anyway.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, I ain't gonna chew the fat with him all night, but that's what I want y' all to do. Y' all can set it up for about March or April. I'll be 100 by the end.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And Ocho, if you want me to. I come to Miami, we can go. We can go to the Miami Heat facility.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. I mean, no, Pat. Hey, Patter. Let me in. Mickey, there, let me in. Don't do that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm trying to tell you. And we can look over the water as we're in the practice ceiling.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Giving you this work. You hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, here you go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's how it's gonna go.

[Joe Johnson]

Here you go. Hey, Joe. I don't care what you do. Hey, Joe. I'm a three level score, Joe. You could back me down. You can do whatever you want to do. Everything is a green light for you, Joe. Pretend as if I'm an NBA player, and I guarantee you I put that on. I put that on. I'm trying to think what I could put it on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Cause you know you've been lying.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, but listen, listen.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I got one thing to say. I got one thing to say. If you think. If you think what I did in New York was something.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh. See? Every chance you get, you're gonna bring up New York.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Huh? I'm just saying. I'm saying, if you think that performance in New York was some boy, wait till. Oh, wait till you see what I'm.

[Uncle Ocho]

Gonna do to you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What?

[Joe Johnson]

All right. Hey, remember. Hey, you. You. Hey, make sure all the talking you doing.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Make sure you able to back it up.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, come on, now.

[Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, my goodness. Yeah, Joe, you do it. You do it a bit much now.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, he. Hey, he way too much.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I didn't. I didn't even bring it up, guys.

[Uncle Ocho]

I didn't bring it up. Innocent. You notice that? Oh, he all is. I ain't bring it up. Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

He throw the rock and he had his hand.

[Uncle Ocho]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

You throw the rock and you hide your hand. What you. All right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What y' all want from me? What y' all want from me?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I just want. I want that one on one.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm give.

[Joe Johnson]

You doing too much talking for Me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right. Okay.

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