Nightcap Hour 1: Quinnen Williams WON’T HELP the COWBOYS + Colts GAMBLE on TRADING for Sauce Gardener + Ravens’ Isaiah Likely EXPOSES Lamar Jackson

Summary

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Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1 (November 6, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this episode of Nightcap on Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe Johnson dive deep into the NFL's latest blockbuster trades, dissect whether high-profile defensive moves can realistically turn around struggling franchises, and are joined by Ravens tight end Isaiah Likely for candid insights on life in the league and the Ravens’ playoff hopes. Themes of leadership, team identity, and the pressures of professional sports—both on-field and off—are explored with signature banter and unfiltered honesty.

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Main Topics and Key Discussions

1. Dallas Cowboys’ Aggressive Trade Moves

• Topic: The Cowboys' acquisition of Quinnen Williams and Logan Wilson despite a poor season record.
• Analysis: The panel debates whether these all-in, late-season trades can salvage a 3-5-1 campaign and justify parting with premium picks.
• Quote: “Them goddamn trades don't do nothing. That ain't number decoration. That was Jerry just wanting to be part of the circus... Does it improve my defense? No.” – Shannon Sharpe (09:23)
• Concerns: Cap management, lack of “statement” defensive playmakers, and a low playoff probability. Joe Johnson tries to keep hope alive as a fan, though Shannon and Ocho are openly skeptical.

Key Segment:

• [07:04] – Joe Johnson on being a fan and the need for a “fresh start.”
• [09:23] – Shannon’s unfiltered criticism of Jerry Jones’ approach.
• [11:46] – Joe and Chad run through the Cowboys’ daunting upcoming schedule.

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2. Jets Sell Star Assets, Colts Make a Gamble

• Topic: The Jets’ fire sale of top talent (Quinnen Williams, Sauce Gardner), with Sauce landing in Indianapolis for a record price.
• Panel Analysis: Arguments break down the logic of selling elite defenders in a rebuild. Sharpe and Ocho discuss whether a shutdown corner like Sauce is ever worth multiple firsts if the team keeps losing anyway.
• Quote: “To let a player of that caliber go ... I see Sauce in that light ... but they just had a yard sale. ... I don't want to deal with the unknown.” – Shannon Sharpe (18:08, 19:11)
• Stat: Jets with Williams and Gardner: few wins, no playoff impact. Panel agrees the move is about value and timing, not always talent.

Key Segment:

• [17:44] – Sharpe on the challenges of keeping versus trading All-Pro defenders.
• [20:04] – Ocho on missing the playoffs with or without big-money stars.
• [27:25] – Ocho explains why the Jets couldn’t justify Sauce’s contract amid ongoing losses.

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3. The Colts’ “All In” Moment

• Topic: The Colts’ rationale behind dealing assets for sauce Gardner and going all-in for a possible Super Bowl window.
• Analysis: The group likes the Colts’ bold approach but debates if the risk matches their actual contention status.
• Quote: “I like what the Colts are doing because ... they said, 'We all in.'” – Shannon Sharpe ([33:01])
• Depth: They praise roster construction and front office efficiency, contrasting it with Jerry Jones’ style.
• Quote: “I think Jerry need to take some notes because I see somebody doing a much better job...” – Shannon Sharpe ([36:46])

Key Segment:

• [33:33] – Are the Colts now at the top of the AFC? Panel weighs in.
• [36:26] – Matching up defensive backfields post-trade.

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4. Player Numbers and Locker Room Culture

• Topic: The value (and etiquette) of jersey numbers after big trades.
• Anecdotes: Discussion of what star players (like Sauce Gardner) pay to keep their number, with comparisons to past stories.
• Quote: “Depending on who it is ... It's a respecting. Oh, this sauce. I know the number one resonates with everything he's about ... but this is my business.” – Shannon Sharpe ([66:24])
• Lighter moment: Ocho jokes about Atlanta and his own number deal with Aaron Hernandez.

Key Segment:

• [63:56] – What number did Sauce have to pay for?
• [66:07] – Comparing costs from years ago.

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5. Interview: Isaiah Likely (Baltimore Ravens TE)

[42:09] – [61:51]

A. Ravens’ Team Reset and Offensive Identity

• Likely discusses the team's mindset post-bye week and the power of a “fresh season” approach.
  • “Everybody knew, back against the wall going into the bye ... coming out ... it's a new season, and let's just be who we are.” – Isaiah Likely ([42:49])

B. Sacrifice, Patience, and Role Acceptance

• Likely candidly explains sacrificing individual stats for team roles, citing faith, patience, and making the most of his chess piece position alongside Mark Andrews.

C. Life in the NFL Limelight

• Speaks on adjusting to fame, social media scrutiny, and the constant microscope.
  • “You could say like, a little teeny thing the wrong way, and everybody go and spin it… got to watch what you say or, like, what you do.” – Isaiah Likely ([46:49])

D. Ravens' “Play Like a Raven” Culture

• Offers insights into the franchise’s physical, disciplined identity and winning your “1/11th” job on every snap ([49:21]).

E. Playing with Lamar Jackson

• Shares stories about Lamar’s improvisational magic, need for constant mental engagement, and his impact on locker room accountability.
  • “Sometimes you'll get lost watching Lamar back there … he yelling at you, like, trying to move you around because he's trying to make time.” – Isaiah Likely ([52:04])
  • “If Lamar Jackson is coming back and he's healthy, y'all got a goddamn chance. That's just how good he is.” – Shannon Sharpe ([53:11])

F. High Standards and Distractions

• Isaiah recounts Lamar removing all game room distractions post-loss to reinforce focus.
  • “He was like, hey, we lose this game, ain't nothing gonna be in here. I might turn the Wi-Fi off.” – Isaiah Likely ([55:12])

G. Charitable Efforts and Community Work

• Highlights the importance of giving back with the “Jimmy’s Famous Seafood Toys for Tots Gala.”

H. What Will Make the Ravens True Contenders?

• Likely focuses on mistake-free football and not “beating ourselves” as keys to Super Bowl hopes.
  • “If we play...mistake-free football and then just letting all of our talent...shine, I feel like it ain't a team in the NFL that can play with us.” – Isaiah Likely ([61:34])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Shannon Sharpe (on Cowboys’ moves):
  “That was Jerry just wanting to be part of the circus ... Does it improve my defense in any way? No.” ([09:23])

• Chad Johnson (on Jets’ logic):
  “So with that being said, I can miss the playoffs and not have to pay 60, 70 million dollars.” ([19:58])

• Joe Johnson (on fans’ hope):
  “Sometimes all you need is a fresh start, man. Look, at least we got a chance to even make the playoffs.” ([11:32])

• Shannon Sharpe (on Ravens’ offensive identity):
  “Your identity has always been your offense. ... What Lamar Jackson is doing, what you're doing, what Mark Andrews is doing … I wish you guys luck climbing out that hole.” ([45:21])

• Isaiah Likely (on NFL scrutiny):
  “You could say like, a little teeny thing the wrong way, and everybody go and spin it … you got to watch what you say or, like, what you do.” ([46:49])

• Isaiah Likely (on playing with Lamar):
  “Sometimes you'll get lost watching Lamar back there … I'm just in the back of the end zone tired … and he like, screaming like, no, bro...I did all this work!” ([52:26])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [07:04] – Cowboys’ trade breakdown and playoff odds
• [09:23, 10:26] – Sharpe torches Jerry Jones’ trade strategy
• [17:44, 19:56] – Jets’ talent fire sale & franchise-building philosophy
• [33:33] – Are Colts now AFC favorites?
• [42:09-61:51] – Isaiah Likely interview: team culture, Lamar stories, life in the NFL
• [55:12] – Confiscating game room after a loss: Lamar’s leadership
• [63:56, 66:07] – Jersey number negotiation, “price of swag”

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Tone and Style

• Original Lingo: Spirited, raw, and peppered with the hosts’ signature humor and friendly roasting.
• Panel Energy: Authentic banter—brash, forthright, and occasionally irreverent, especially in their takes on management and franchise logic.
• Player Interview: Earnest, insightful, often humorous, with a focus on character, growth, and accountability.

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Summary Takeaways

• The Cowboys’ splashy trades are met with host skepticism—seen as posturing rather than program-changing.
• The Jets’ total reset sparks a debate about the real value of defensive stars for losing teams—a recurring NFL dilemma.
• The Colts’ “all-in” mentality gets respect, but the crew notes it’s a high-risk, high-reward bet only justified thanks to a rare window.
• A revealing, honest interview with Isaiah Likely underscores locker room dynamics, leadership, and the unique pressure NFL players face in the spotlight.
• Throughout, audience is treated to glimpses of on-field strategy, front office dealmaking, and the humanity behind the headlines—with a comedic edge.

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Transcript

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[Joe Johnson]

What's happening?

[Isaiah Likely]

What's happening?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I think we got better. I mean, we, we've been struggling on the defensive side. Oh, so y' all know that and you had to bring that up neither. What happened on Monday night, we could have left that alone, you understand? But I'm on here repping tonight. You know, I, I got my, my cowbo it on. Hey, we got a new start, baby.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We.

[Joe Johnson]

It's time for us to, you know, buckle down and see what we can do in the second half of the season. I'm excited about the new additions, man. Let's. Let's see if we can stream some wins together.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't think that's like, that's probably not likely, but I understand. Look, I mean, not, not a whole lot of teams if you're three, five and one, Joe. At this point in the season, normally a whole lot of three, five and one teams aren't giving up first and second round picks. They're trying to unload. They're not trying to acquire. And so it's odd, you know, Jerry must believe I'm completely. I guess that means that he doesn't believe in Mozzie Smith. Mozzie Smith was a former first round draft pick. Jerry doing all the picking. You know, Jerry say, can't nobody do a better job than him.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I mean, y'.

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[Joe Johnson]

Y' all understand that. Y' all know he. He running that. Hey, he running that ship over there. He gonna run it how he wanted.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

To be running with iron fist.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you already know.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They have a 7% chance, Joe, of reaching the playoffs. According to ESPN Power Football Power Index, Quinny Williams, four years, 96 million that he signed in 2023 with a total of 66 million guaranteed. The contract runs through 2027. The Cowboys are not responsible for the remaining payments after they're acquiring him. The problem is he really doesn't have a whole lot of guaranteed money on that contract. So you know what that means, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

What's that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You're gonna want another contract. Hey, look, now, you got Quinny Williams on the. On the books. 20 million. You got Kenny Clark on the contract. 20 million. You got a Dicky Zoo on the contract. 20 million. You got a cornerback on the contract. 23 million. You got another DB, Ocho Diggs, 19 million. You got that 60 million. CD Lamb, 34 million. You got George Pickens gonna want 34, 35 million dollars. And you just signed those two offensive linemen. Hey, Ocho. Something gotta give.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Something is gonna give. Them goddamn. Them goddamn trades don't do nothing. That ain't number decoration. Listen, come on, Joe. Don't, don't. Don't play like that. That was Jerry. That was Jerry. Just wanted to be a part of the circus where everybody else making moves. Well, let me make some move, too. Does it improve my defense in any way? No. No disrespect to Logan Wilson, but you're coming from a Bengal team that was ranked 32nd and going to a Cowboy team. That's work. 30 work. Ranked 31st, correct. Wasn't playing the Bengals. But you're going to go to the goddamn Cowboys and make a goddamn difference. The likelihood of that happening, probably absolutely goddamn not. You got Kenny Clark, you got goddamn Quinn and Williams, but you let Michael Parsons go, who can. Who is an impact player on your Goddamn defense. Oh, you need to stop the run. We also need to goddamn sack the quarterback. You need to put pressure on the quarterback. Everybody's going to be able to throw the ball on you. We're in a passing league. You need it. You need a defensive end on the outside to be able to get to the quarterback stopping the run. Eh, you got Kenny Clark. Everybody's still been running on you haven't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you got.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got Quinn and Williams. It is supposed to be that much of a difference? Is it supposed to be that much of a difference?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You will.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You will absolutely see. Probably not, but what the Cowboys need to do. If I'm Dak. I'm calling the players only beating only for the offense. Only for the offense. And I'm let them know. Hey, listen, in order for us to win, in order for us to win, in order for us to compete week in, week out, we have to raise our level of play. We can't have no mistakes. George Pickens, I need you to play all hell out. CD Lamb, I need you to play all out. Jake Ferguson, don't fumble the ball. Brother Williams, hold on to the ball. Because we don't have the type of defense where we can overcome turnovers in games. I need y' all boys locked in. We 3 and 5 with a 7% chance to make the goddamn playoffs. I think we can do it. This is just me. This is just me, hypothetically being Dak. Listen, man, they ain't. They ain't doing nothing on. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Hey, Joe.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you about delusional as all the goddamn.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He a fan, so you expect delusion.

[Joe Johnson]

Slow down, slow down, Turbo. Slow down, slow down. Listen, sometimes. Sometimes all you need is a fresh start, man. Look, at least we got a chance to even make the playoffs, all right? You know we got a fighting chance.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Joe, let me give you. Joe, let me give you. Let me give you your next. Your next six games. Oh, I seen it at the Raiders, Eagles at home, Kansas City at home at Lions, Vikings at home, Chargers at home.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, what you think about that, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's a tough slate. That's a tough slate. But listen, I think we can handle it, man. I think we can handle it. Hey, look, one game at a time, Uncle Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y' all looking.

[Joe Johnson]

Y' all looking, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We ain't. We can't.

[Joe Johnson]

We got.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's why y' all got to be 3, 5 and 1, losing one game at a time. Y' all didn't lose. Hey, Ocho, they didn't lose all five of them at once.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, I know Uncle's feeling good on Monday. I'm glad I wasn't over here with y'.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

That was embarrassing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, hey, hey, look, you could just. You could just see it. That d. I mean, your best corner got cooked. Yeah, I mean, he got cooked. That's your best corner. That is your best. That is your best defense. As a matter of fact, all things being equal, he's supposed to be your best defensive player, because guess what? He's the only player on your defense that's been to the Pro Bowl. So what's he supposed to be? Ocho, your best player you got rid of. Micah Diggs is out. He's supposed to be your best player. Your linebacker. Your linebackers are terrible. Be out there like a blind dog in the meat house. Hey, running around, they know somebody got the ball. They just can't see him.

[Unidentified Advertiser/Voiceover]

Exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Uncle Joe. I mean. But both of y' all know about fashion. And you know, when you put your clothes on, you always got to have a statement piece. When you have a goddamn defense, you always have a half a statement piece. Most of the time, your statement piece. You want to be a defensive end, and you want to be.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Excuse me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want to be a defensive end, and you want to be somebody on the back end. There has to be a statement piece in either. At the third level, the first level, at the second level, ah, it's a tossup. You don't have to be a superstar. Unless you. Unless you. Unless you're goddamn Fred Warner. Unless you're Fred Warner. You know, but the. The Cowboys have nothing of that magnitude, Nothing. Nothing on that defense that can change and impact the game at all. They just have. I mean, no disrespect, just guys. They just have guys. Therefore. Therefore their identity. Their identity is on the offensive side of the ball. And everybody on the offensive side of the ball has to bring that. You know what? Up a notch. They have to. In order. In order to dig themselves out this hole, they have to damn near play almost mistake free football.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

True.

[Joe Johnson]

Can't turn it over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hell, no. No. Not when your defense is that bad. We saw Cincinnati. They had two receivers over 100 yards, a quarterback that got 470 yards. He got four touchdowns, Buddy. You turn it over because your defense can't stop anybody. So you turn it over, you take points off the board, you might as well put three to seven on the board for them. Because your defense can't stop them, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Because, hey, Cincinnati ain't even Got a chance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, wait, we got the same chance y' all got. What you talking about?

[Joe Johnson]

Y' all got the same chances.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got the exact same chance. Y' all got the exact same one. And listen, for us, it's our offense. It's the same conversation. If Dak was to call the player only meeting for the offense, Joe Flacco can go have that same conversation over here with us.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, so y' all can't stop nobody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, but Joe, we scoring 30, 38, 40 a game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All right, y', all, y', all, y'.

[Joe Johnson]

All putting them up. But the teams out playing, scoring 45, 50 a night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That wasn't necessary. I didn't need you to bring that part up. I'm just telling you what we doing.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm just, I'm just reiterating.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Does he realize that y'. All, Y' all like y' all talking to each y' all neighbors, y' all. 31, 31 to other 32. Y' all live in the same neighborhood, Joe. I don't know why Joe. I don't know why Joe think he has to did it. O. Joe, it's all good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's all good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What? 32. But look, this is J. I, I don't know. Having played in the league, haven't been around the league, I can't honestly say. I don't know if I've ever seen a team that's this deep into the season, that's only won three games, that gives up a first round draft pick. Normally you're unloading those guys, Ocho, trying to get capital in so you can build like. We're not one player away. Jerry said we're not one player away. Yeah, but you trade a first round draft pick on it. Hey, if you're. Let's just say you're seven, two and one. Let's just say you're eight and two. Let's just say you're six, three and one. Okay, I can kind of see that you're right there. You, you leading your division, bro. How under what scenario would you give up at three three and at three, five and one, would you give up a first round, a second round pick next year and a first round picking 27? Because we, hey, we live, we, we.

[Joe Johnson]

Living in the now. We can't. We don't know what that's gonna look like.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y' all suck right now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but I'm saying we need help right now. We need help right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But listen, the help you bring it in ain't gonna make a Difference. The help you bring it in ain't gonna move the needle. It's not going to do anything for you. It's like a class project, right? You see everybody else, everybody else helping with the class project, everybody putting, they putting their two cents and being a part of the project and, and Jerry just. So, Jerry just there for the extra credit. You know what? I' ma just go ahead and make some moves just to do what I do, what I always do, keep the fans excited. Yeah, that's, that's to get people something to talk about.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Come on, Joe, you know that, Ocho. The same say we ain't got no, we ain't going no damn playoffs. Rasheed. Hey, we love to have you. Hey, we're gonna try to get draft capital. Offensive lineman. We love to have you. You saw what the Jazz did. They traded their two best players.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I don't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, we ain't going nowhere, Ocho. Why am I paying Ocho, Joe? I'm not. Hey, we're not going anywhere, right? We got two guys that's eating up 50 plus million dollars and we're going nowhere. You know what? Let me go ahead, right? It's like a car. I got this car that's valuable. I ain't gonna drive it, I ain't going nowhere. And somebody gonna offer me top dollar for it. Come on.

[Isaiah Likely]

Again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And listen, not only do they offer top dollar, what I, what I don't like and don't understand is, is how you, you, you pay a player in the offseason, the kind of money they pay Sauce Gardner. Right. As, as, as highly viewed as he is. I know he's had some struggles, you know, you know, so far, obviously, with me believing that defensive back, obviously, is, is equivalent to playing quarterback in NFL being the most difficult position to play. Probably, probably.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Those are your most, they're the most athletic guys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, most definitely. But obviously having to deal with these receivers running at you full speed, these elite fast receivers, it can be very difficult at times. So they're going to be ups and downs. But to let a player of that caliber go. And I just talked to you, you know, Uncle Joe, about having a statement piece, something that you can build around, something that you can lean on that can actually impact and change the defense. And I see Sauce in that light in a sense, like, like the, the Pat Certanes. Not, not different, different types of players. You know what I mean?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. You do realize you live in a shack and you got a 30,000. A 30. A $30,000 deal.

[Isaiah Likely]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know what you mean. I know because you won a seven, you want to upload it. But I just. At least I want to be able to compete. At least I want to be. Be able to give myself a chance. Like what the. What the jets did today was like, you know what? Forget it. We won in seven. We won an eight. Whatever it may be. You know what? We getting rid of everything. We having a yard sale. We letting our biggest pride possessions go, you know, and hoping, you know, for the unknown. I don't want.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want to deal with the unknown. I don't want to deal with the unknown.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

How many. Let me ask you a question. With those two players they gave up, how many games did they win this year?

[Shannon Sharpe]

1.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Let me ask you a question. Last year, with those same two players, how many games did they win?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? That's a good question. They weren't very good last year either.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Quinny Williams been an All Pro. Sauce Gardner his first two years. He was an All Pro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

There have been very many corners that's come in the league. You go back and study the history of corners. I. I'm talking about all these corners that's in the Pro Football hall of Fame. They've been very few that's come in the league in the first two years, been first team All Pro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Not only was he first team All Pro, he was defensive play. He was defensive rookie of the year. How many times they been in the playoffs OO with those two guys? Pro bowl players, defensive player of the year, all Pro players. How many playoff appearance they got?

[Shannon Sharpe]

O. Yeah, they ain't got nothing. They ain't got nothing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So with that being said, I can miss the playoffs and not have to pay 60, 70 million dollars.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you're right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They're gonna say, you know what? Oo and you know this, Joe. We rebuilding. We rebuilding. We ain't. Right now, we're not good enough to compete.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So you know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We don't really want to trade Sauce. Y' all gonna give us two first rounders, so if. If it takes two first rounders to get sauce gardeners, well, you won't mind. Garrett, you gotta give up four first rounders.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Three.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm just saying, Ocho. Hey, Sauce Gardner went for two. For two first rounders and a player. Yeah, that man right there, Miles Garrett, is a defensive player of the year candidate every effing year. Yeah, he's gonna get a. He's gonna have another year with at least 14 sacks, which he's done for the last five, six years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's crazy work.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like I said, if I Miles, and I know Miles is loyal. Mile, you got your money, man. Say, bro, you want to go somewhere and get traded, Quinny way I. I commend Quinny Quinn and say, man, I. It losing just. It just. It just tough, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, Joe, he said, hey, the money. Yeah, I'm getting paid, but I'm a competitor, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you ain't got to tell me. I had to deal with that for years.

[Isaiah Likely]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, Hey, I had to deal with that for you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'll take it off for yo Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe. I had to deal with it for years. I think I've had maybe, what, maybe one, one, one or two winning season. So to be able to deal with that, you know, I had to make it fun, Joe. I had to make it fun to come to work. I had to make Sundays fun. I had to give the fans a reason or the people watching a reason to. Why would we even tune into them? Well, hell, I got to see what this. I got to see what this finna do today because I want you to do something. Hey, Joe, Joe, I was gonna do something. I had to make that environment fun for everyone else.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, you need to make it. You go home and think about, man, what am I if I score a touchdown this week?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about we losing?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But I'm saying, but, you know, that was fun for you to give the people something to come that they came to pay good money to see. Yeah, yeah, they can, man. What? Oh, you're gonna do. I know. Ocho, go act a food, man. Please let Ocho get in the end zone so he could act a fool. That's what they hoping. Yeah, man, that's what I want to see. We not gonna win. Hey, we ain't win. But I tell you what, I receive it entertaining.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I turned off news altogether.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Don'T trust much of anything.

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It's the rage bait.

[Isaiah Likely]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We maybe we could calm down a little.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The Colts trade coach trade for Sauce Gardener. The jets get Adonna. Adonna Mitchell, 2026 second round pick. I think it's. No, it's. Oh, it's the first two first. Cuz they gave it two first. That's Quinny. A 2026 first round pick and a 2027 first round pick. So two ones and a player to get SA Gardner. In July, they signed Sa Gardner to the highest contract ever for deep for a cornerback. Four years. 120 million. 30.1 million per year. And they traded.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that about though? Y' all gotta hear me on this one.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I think it's a combination. We're not winning. We can't justify paying a corner. That is not. They don't believe he's playing to the level that he played his first two years when he was the first team all Pro.

[Isaiah Likely]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And that plus we're losing. How can we justify paying that kind of money? Joe and Ocho and. And we lose it.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, sometime it's the environment though. Y' all know this.

[Isaiah Likely]

You, you, you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, because I saw Sam Darling get up out of there and look like a. And look like a competent quarterback. He's in the MVP discussion. Yeah, yeah. So yes, you're right. It is the environment. And it starts with unfortunately, Woody is you. I'm just saying guys, guys look competent and, and, and, and I think sometimes it's quick to give up. I mean they give up on the young. Ain't no patience no more. Now we in a society now that we want. We want what we want because we can get it. I can order something in Amazon Prime. They will get that thing today. I say, shell, I need some lotion, man. Hey, they don't took a picture and said it. Damn. That's a. That's my front door. They don't drop it off. Ocho. Yeah. You want something. You want Uber eats or grow up or whatever? How they do it now? Ocho, guess what? You can get it. I ain't got to leave you. How I get everything I want right there. So that's the kind of. That's what football is. That's what football and sports have turned into. They used to give you time to develop, but the money have gotten so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Great big, they don't. Hey, you ain't got no time. Hey, you know, hey, Joe, what's up? I need a return on my investment expeditiously. They want a return, huh? Return right away.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Return investment right away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That. That's another reason why. This is another reason why. Especially when players get paid big for. I'm speaking for the receiver position in general, for players that are struggling, especially this year. I need y' all boys. I know y' all gonna see this. I need y' all boys to come on down here and see your boy. All I need is for a week. I need you for a week. If you want to stay longer, I can put you up. I can feed you. You know, I can give you a. A stipend. Is that what you call it, right, Unc? No.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Per diem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Per diem. I get a little per diem stipend.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Per diem. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, so. So you be able to eat. But I want to help you with your craft. I want to help you. This is for all my NFL receivers. If you're struggling, if you're not understanding why you're not getting the ball or why you're not an intricate part of the offense, please, I beg of you, come on down here with your boy. Give me a week or give me a month. I just want to work on your game, you know? I want you to be able to come back and be able to make a difference, you know? So your officer coordinator didn't have to worry about you. He can put you in positions. All you got to do is let your play do the talking. But anyway, let's go back on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You gonna send their quarterbacks down to Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, but see, that's. That's the thing, huh? That's the thing when you get certain receivers, right, and you have a certain skill set at times. At times, because it is NFL, you would love to have a receiver, but the person playing quarterback doesn't matter because you can always get open. Because you can always get open.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But if he can't give me the ball, what I supposed to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen. Well, whoever's at the helm shouldn't be. Shouldn't be. Shouldn't be quarterback.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Would he rather have a Sam Darnold back or JJ McCarthy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But see, when it comes to Jetta, he's so calm. He's so calm when he talk, he's so politically correct. And man, talk your shit. It don't matter who playing quarterback. Call the play for me. Put me inside, put me in motion, put me on the outside, leave me there. I'm going to get open. He's one of the few that can get open. Now, I understand what you're saying, but when you think about when DeAndre Hoppins with Houston Texans, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think about the level of talent, the level of skill, the DNA and makeup of a Justin Jefferson. I mean, night, night and day. Nothing wrong with D Hop, but I'm just saying we talk about a dude that's on a historic run.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So to me. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To me, an individual like that mesh, man, put anybody out there at quarterback, just get me the ball. Put the ball in the goddamn area. Put in the vicinity where I can reach out and touch it. I got it. Yeah, they're receiving this NFL Joe.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. A bad quarterback look good with good separation.

[Joe Johnson]

If he can create good separation, there are few receivers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm talking about a handful. Yeah, a handful can make bad quarterback play look good. Just put the ball in the area. That's it. I take care of the rest.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, you should give me the ball. Just give me the ball. Give me an opportunity that I ain't got to jump up over 7p. I ain't got to drop 10ft in the air and do all that other stuff and do a pirouette to come down with the ball. Just get. Just put the ball in my hand. Give me an opportunity. If I'm going left, just leave me. Yeah. If I'm going right, just leave me. Just give. I. I just want an opportunity. But, man, you skipping the ball to me like we skipping rocks on the water at a pond. Yeah, but that ain't. That ain't gonna work. That ain't gonna work for me. But I think that has a lot to do with it at 1 7. At 1 in 7. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We ain't going nowhere. Yeah, we not. And if we're not going anywhere, it's just hard to justify, you know, paying the kind of money that these guys commanding. You know what I mean? They gave. I mean, and plus Ocho, Indy Blue made him an offer they couldn't refuse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Who won?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know, when I think about the foreseeable future, I like what the Colts are doing because the. The Colts is. Man, what the hell the Colts are saying, you know what? We all in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, we are all in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is our chance. We have a chance to do it. So I don't know. Poker, but I understand what, what, what put all your chips in is. And that's what. That's what the Colts are doing. We have a chance. We have opportunity. We found the quarterback. Quarterback of our future. And right now we're playing really well where we actually have a goddamn chance to compete for Lombardi, no matter what people may think in general. We just do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So where. Where. Where does this. Where did this trade. Where did this trade put end it? Are they at the top of the food chain in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In afc? Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Now, offensively, defensively, they're gonna. They become really good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got Kenny Moore, you got Bynum, now you add Sauce Gardner, which Davious War comes back, man, hell, that could almost be like a no fly zone now. It looks like that on paper. Now, can they play like that as a unit?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Huh? They got Buck. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I forgot about double double nine.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He nice.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, the coach locked in. They said they going for it this year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They waiting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, I like it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ballad, Ballad A. He's like, hey, this is good. This is a good opportunity that we're gonna have. We're 7 and 2. We're sitting atop the AFC. You know, they beaten Denver. They beat Denver on a walk off. I mean, think about. They got. They got sacked six times. They had six turnovers and still only lost by seven. So now what happens if they only have three turnovers? What happens. They don't have any turnovers. With the way they can run the football and the skill positions they have now the right tackle, Braden Smith got his ass handed to it with a whole offensive line.

[Isaiah Likely]

Had.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He got their ass handed to him. Yeah, because TJ Watt with kicking ass. Highsmith was a defensive player, AFC defensive player of the week, so obviously he did his job. But from sacking him, from force fumbles, from picking him off, they they did a hell of a job on that offense. And now what teams are going to try to do, and it's a lot easier said than done, let us neutralize Jonathan Taylor and we're going to make Daniel Jones beat us. Yeah. That's what. That was Pittsburgh's philosophy. Stop Jonathan Taylor, make Daniel Jones beat you. Now if you can't stop JT now, they gonna play action. It's. It's gonna, it's gonna be hard to beat him. So I, I don't have a problem with what Andy did that they gave, but they gave up a steep price to get sauce. Two first rounders, Joe. And, and a player.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And, and, and you see, OO Mitchell really hadn't. Since he fumbled that ball at the Rams in the goal line. He had that long touchdown Ocho. And he fumbled, remember?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Had him in a lost and found.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. Arkin.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

But they was the coast. You know, they need to help with that DB position. Right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, Ward.

[Unidentified Advertiser/Voiceover]

Ward.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Was Ward within concussion protocol. He was out there warming up Joe and he, you know, he's backpedaling. He turned and run and he ran smack dab into a player in warm ups.

[Isaiah Likely]

Wow.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So he was a pre game. So it wasn't warm up like we on the field and we're in our uniform. So he collided heads and he ain't got no helmet on. So he's, he's in pro, he's in protocol and we don't. They don't know when he's coming out. So now you pair him with.

[Isaiah Likely]

I don't know.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't know. Yeah. You put him in sauce. Now I don't know who gonna play the slot. Maybe by him goes to the slot. They traded for another. They got added another player too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kenny, Kenny, Kenny. Kenny Moore in the slot, huh? Or the nickel.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So they. Hey, they got a nice. They got.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And they got Frank Z. Franklin. They got. They got a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got a nice squad. Matter of fact, you know what? It's, it's so funny. You understand. Who's making the calls over there with the coach now?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ballard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, well, I, I think Jerry need to take some notes because I. I see somebody that's doing a much better job than he is. How would you. What you say about that, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you gotta chill, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm not chilling. I'm just saying. I'm, I'm. I'm just saying we were seeing someone. We're seeing someone, you know. You know, rest in peace to the great Mr. Ursay. And someone actually taking over and. And doing what a GM is supposed to do, you know? Yeah, I mean, that's just me. I'm just saying. I mean, you see the daughter running now, huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The daughters run the team now. Yeah. You see, they stay out the way they say, hey, you do what you do. I'm just gonna stay. I'm gonna stay down here. I'm gonna. I'm gonna have my headset on. I'm gonna. I want, I want to know. I just want to know when I hear a play and it don't go right, who effed up? Was it the quarterback? Was it offensive line? Did the receiver not run the right route? Did the black? Was the back supposed to pick up? I just need to know because a lot of times, you know, you look at a play like, oh man, what. What happened?

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I turned off news altogether.

[Unidentified Advertiser/Voiceover]

I hate to say it, but I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don'T trust much of anything.

[Unidentified Advertiser/Voiceover]

It's the rage bait.

[Isaiah Likely]

It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

If we got clear facts, maybe we.

[Isaiah Likely]

Could calm down a little.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts. Let's move forward from there. NBC News Reporting for America.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, we'll get back to that in a second. Now joining Us Is Ravens tight end drafted in the fourth round out of Coastal Clara, Carolina, the Chanticleers. Here he is, Isaiah Likely, right in.

[Joe Johnson]

Right there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What in what, y'?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Isaiah Likely]

What's happening, man? Just chilling, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y' all went down. Y' all went down and took care of business like you guys were supposed to. You beat the Bears with. With Hunt, and then you can. You get. Lamar comes back for the Dolphins. And this is how. I'm thinking. This is what you thought you guys were gonna look like when you came into the season. Not. Not the previous six games, but this is how we're supposed to play.

[Isaiah Likely]

Nah, for sure. And I mean, I feel like that was just, you know, just everybody just getting a reset after the bye week. I mean, everybody knew, you know, back against the wall going into the bye week, what we put ourselves into. So coming out the bye week, we had just tell everybody, you know, it's a new season, and let's just be who we are.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I wanted to list. I'm looking at you, and there are probably 25, 26, maybe even 27 other teams. You're gonna get the Lions, you're gonna start. I ain't no Too tight. Ain't no 8, ain't no. This ain't no that. You're gonna be catching 65, 70, 80 balls. You're gonna be a big part of the offense. But for you and Mark Andrews, you guys split a lot, and a lot of times, you guys do play a lot of double tight end sets. But how have you been able to say, you know what I'm gonna sacrifice? This is where I am right now. This is the best situation that I'm in right now. I Let me make the most. Most of it. And not let your mind think, man, I see what laporta doing. I see what Hawkinson doing. I see what the guy's doing.

[Isaiah Likely]

I can do that for sure. I mean, that's really just, you know, just always just remaining where your. Where your feet are and understand that, you know, God don't put you in no moment, but where your feet are right now. And I feel like this, you know, the circumstance. I was, you know, just drafted where I was. You know, I promised edc, you know, when he took me, like, all the other 31 teams that passed up on me, they gonna regret playing me time in and time out, you know, and that was just, you know, the motto. I had my whole, you know, rookie contract, and now just getting into, you know, the opportunity that I have now is just really just being that chess Piece in the offense, whether I'm out wide in the slot, in the backfield on the line, and being able to just run all the sets that we have out of the tight ends.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's dope. I mean, you, you guys, you know, you guys have a long way to climb yourselves out of a hole, but if you can do it, you guys have the offense to do it. Especially with, especially with Lamar Jackson coming, you know, coming back and, and you playing well, likely playing well. And a healthy Lamar gives you a chance to do the unthinkable, regardless of what your record may be. And I look at some of the games you have coming up, I mean, honestly, looking at it, you got a nice, you got a nice slate of games and you can win most of them. I think the most, maybe the most difficult game will probably be the Vikings. The Browns is winnable, the jets is winnable. Y' all probably gonna lose to the bank. Y' all probably.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, I put all my money.

[Isaiah Likely]

I just want you at that one.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All. All the rest of these ones you talk about.

[Isaiah Likely]

I just want you at that Cincinnati game. I want you there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I want you there.

[Isaiah Likely]

I want you there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Hey, say less. I'mma come, I'mma come. But, but, but honestly, you know, when it outside of the division, you know, you guys could probably run the table, I think with the Vikings being the most difficult game for you guys to play, you know, this upcoming Sunday. Outside of that, listen, even as a Bengal fan, I, I know a great team when I see one. You know, I know you guys have had your woes and your struggles on defense, but your identity has always been your offense. And what Lamar Jackson is doing, what you're doing, what Mark Andrews is doing, the running game, Bateman Zay. So I mean, kudos you guys. And I wish you guys luck climbing out that hole, but I just know when it comes to November 22, I.

[Isaiah Likely]

Just want you there. I just want you there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a Sunday night game. I don't know why they keep putting them. Sorry. Whoa, slow down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You talk about sorry, sir. We had, we had an 80 year old quarterback come in and fill in for Joe Burrow and he throwing for 700000 yards a game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What you mean sorry and you still losing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not about losing. It's about us. It's about, listen, we want to win, but he gives us a chance to compete in these games and, and we're scoring enough points. It just. We got to get our defense to come around. That's the only Problem, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Go ahead, Ask the question, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Likely. Hey, you know, we talk about the grind, bro. Probably what's the hardest part of being a pro that. That you didn't expect.

[Isaiah Likely]

I really just say, you know, after you start making a couple plays, it's really just like, getting really, like, put into that limelight. Like, everybody understands, like, when you. Especially for me, coming from, like, a G5 school, where it's like, you know, you. You making plays and everything, you know, you kind of that guy on campus. But when you get into that big league, it's like, dang. And then when you start making plays, the big league, it's like, okay, you gotta watch. You say here, or you got to take pictures everywhere. Here, here, here. People start knowing your name. People start knowing, like, who you are around. And then it's like, oh, yeah, you could. You could say, like, a little. Little teeny thing the wrong way, and everybody go and spin it, and. And like, you just, like, you want to say something to. I correct yourself. But it's like, damn, bro. I don't want to keep acting like I'm trying to egg on a situation I don't really care for. And I feel like that's, like, the biggest thing Price since I got in the pros, where it's like, you got to watch what. What you say or, like, what you do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

A little.

[Isaiah Likely]

A little extra, definitely.

[Joe Johnson]

It's. It's a lot different nowadays than when. When I played in the NBA, Uncle Ocho played in the NFL. Cause we ain't have all this social media.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You get it? Y' all exposed.

[Joe Johnson]

Y' all exp. Exposed to so much, bro. Like, you know, I can. I can understand how, you know, sometimes words may get twisted or, you know, it just. It's just the little things. Like, any little thing you do, they gonna scrutinize it. And that's just kind of the. The times we living in, you know? Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like, man, having been a Raven, and they have that sign up, say, play like a Raven. You know, when you come in that building, there's an expectation. Expectation because of the greatness that has walked the halls of those of that building. You got an Ed Reed, you got a Ray Lewis, you got a Jo. You got a Suggs, you got an Ed Reed, you got Yandy. You got greatness that have played, permeated a lot of it's on the defensive side. You got J. Lou. Basically, you got J. Lou, Jamal Lewis. That was. And Jonathan Ogden. But, you know, when you come into that building, having talked to Oz, haven't talked to Eric of what they expect from you and what they expect once you get into that building. Talk a little bit about that. That when they drafted you and you get around and the players come back, the Ravens do a great job of bringing the old timer, those. Those players that played, that made that organization great. They do a great job of bringing them back, and the guys do a great job of communicating of like, hey, bro. Hey, we have expectations. Win, Play hard, play physical, play tough. Talk to us a little bit about that and you being.

[Isaiah Likely]

Yeah, for sure. And I feel like, you know, everybody in the league understands, like, when you play the Ravens, their mantras play like Raven. That's just because, you know, how physical, how disciplined, and how hard they gonna play. Snap in, snap out. But I feel like the first, like, really wake up I had was rookie minicamp my rookie year, where it was like, we got in there and they was already preaching, play like a Raven.

[Joe Johnson]

You.

[Isaiah Likely]

You run around. You. I'll say like, ricky Minican, you get so many plays at one time. You just try not to mess up. So you over here kind of, like, trying to go 60%, trying to see, like, on the other side, they running the right concept. Trying to see. And, like, the first thing that they told us was, like, if you wrong, fly around. And I was like, hey, whoa, hold up. Like, hold on. They were like, nah, like, if you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wrong, we'll clean it up later.

[Isaiah Likely]

Play physical, play fast. And, like, we'll clean little details later. So I'll say, like, you know, just going into that mindset of understanding that, like, now, like, when. When I'm in the building, you was expected to know your job, and you expected to win games and win your 111. I feel like that's just the biggest thing that they tell you while you run in the building is when you're 111. And that's everybody's mantra. While you in the building, like, don't let your player make the play. Don't. Don't allow yourself to get stopped by the player in front of you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, you have. I mean, look, Coastal Carolina. A lot of people don't know about the Chanticleers, but you had Josh Norman with Coastal. Carol, Melissa, Jefferson Wood.

[Isaiah Likely]

Yeah, Carolina.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y' all got.

[Isaiah Likely]

Y got.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y' all got some coming out of Coastal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hold on. Don't we. You know a fellow receiver that played with me in Cincinnati, Jerome Simpson. Remember Jerome Simpson?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Isaiah Likely]

That was the one that did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

End zone. Yeah. Yeah, my dog. When dog went there. Yeah, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y' all put some.

[Isaiah Likely]

Hey, y' all put some Carolina.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What y' all got going, man?

[Isaiah Likely]

I'm trying to tell. Bro, when I tell you my junior year, 2020, Covid, that's probably like, when we started, like, really, like, putting the world noticed that, like, a G5 team could really come up in here. Obviously, Cincinnati had made the playoffs, but, like, we was like, one of those teams that beat. We beat BYU that year. We had a good game at State. We beat at State that year. And, like, we, like, we started picking up games, picking up steam. I mean, we had a great quarterback in Grayson McCall. We had a great defense. We got about two other players in the league right now that's playing currently C.J. brewer and Taron Jackson on teams. And I feel like, you know, just, you know, that mantra that we had, like, always understand that we're going to be the underdogs and what you going to do about it? And from that aspect, it was just like every game was going to be, you know, a dog fight, and we wasn't expected to win a lot of games. So just going in there and showing the world that, like, you're going to have to put us above somebody at some point. Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What's it like playing with Lamar? I haven't played with a great quarterback, a guy that's in the Pro Football hall of Fame. Do you ever just get in awe.

[Isaiah Likely]

And just, hey, I'm not going to lie. There's sometimes, like my coach would tell me on film, especially at, like, my rookie year, second year, where I was like, you don't really understand the scramble part. Like the two play quarterbacks. Sometimes you'll get lost watching Lamar back there, you know, get out of sacks to get out of situations, and he yelling at you, like, trying to move you around because he's trying to make time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, get over.

[Isaiah Likely]

I say, like, a big instance was the Cincinnati, like my Cincinnati touchdown where he. Where he step on Sam Hubbard, like he had from a snap.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Isaiah Likely]

Like, a lot of people don't know. Like, he's the one yelling at me, pointing. Like before he threw the touchdown. He, like, yelling at me, trying to tell me, go to the other side. I'm just in the back of the end zone tired because we in tempo offense. I'm just in the back of the end zone, just throwing my hand up like, hey, bro, I don't feel like moving. Just throw it right here, bro. And he like, screaming like, no, bro. Like, I did all this Work.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You gonna move, bro.

[Isaiah Likely]

Like, move, go the other way. Yeah. So like I said, like that, it's just like, you know, it's crazy because you'll see him do it in practice and you'll be like, man, like, ain't no way. Like, he just gets out here on Sundays and do the same thing. But, like, at this point, it's just like, man, he gonna do it, so you might as well get open.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, the funny thing about it Il is, is being down here in Miami, you know, being able to watch Lamar Jackson back in the day and see what he's doing in the NFL and. And it to look exactly like it did in high school when he was. When he was at Boynton Beach, I used to go. I used to go watch him play all the time because, you know, you hear the names about the star players and down here in high school, and the first thing you want to do is, man, let me go see what all this talk is about. And, bro, he was everything back then, and he's still everything. He was. He was advertised to be, you know, especially now. So to be able to see what he's doing right now, man, is. It's unbelievable. Is it? I mean, it's dope. It's dope. And again for you guys, you guys have a great chance. Y' all could have. Y' all could have had one. Get one. One. Y' all could have been. Y' all could have been a goddamn. And if. If Lamar Jackson is coming back and he's healthy, y' all got a goddamn chance. That's just how good he is. That's just how much of an impact player he is. So I'm excited for y'. All. I don't want y' all to beat us, but outside of that, I wish y'.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All Right, we gonna beat y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All. We. You a Bronco. You. You are a Bronco.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

First of all, you are. All I know is that I got. I'm a piece. I'm a piece of that. First.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, you heard what you said. You. You are a piece. You were there for a small time. It was.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I was there for two years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That wasn't But a one night stand. Like, come on, man.

[Isaiah Likely]

Also, I thought.

[Joe Johnson]

I thought.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hold on. There was a lot made last week. All teams have gaming, all teams have ping pong pool tables. They play cars, they play madness, play cod. And all of a sudden you go to the game room, ain't ish up, ain't no pool table, ain't no ping pong table. Ain't no video games. So you're like, man, where I gave that. What, a ping pong table? What a pool table? Who took that inch out of there? Oh, yeah, Good.

[Isaiah Likely]

Now, that's great. It's a crazy story, because what's crazy is we all play, like, pig on a little basketball hoop before practice just to, like, get. Yeah, just to get chemistry going. Just everybody get, you know, legs moving, everybody getting, talking around. And then, like. Like. L. I'll say, like, one thing about Ls. He don't shy away from nothing. So, like, he was like, hey, we lose this game, ain't nothing gonna be in here. I might turn the WI fi off. Like, the WI fi might be cut. You know, the iPad. You can use the iPad without the WI fi as long as you're in that building. So he was like, hey, I'm telling y'.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All.

[Isaiah Likely]

So we had ended up, you know, falling short to kc sure enough, everything out of there. Ain't nothing in there. WI fi still on, though. But he was like, yeah. We came up in. And he's like, yeah, like, I wasn't playing. Ain't nothing in here. We gonna start winning a couple. We gonna win some games, and I'll think about it. He even said he's gonna get back. He said, I'll think about it. I'll let y' all know.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn.

[Isaiah Likely]

That's the type of. Yeah, that's fun.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So what. What the hell you playing for?

[Isaiah Likely]

I'm trying to tell you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What you excited about. N. Hell, no.

[Isaiah Likely]

And.

[Joe Johnson]

And L. Jack knows that the ultimate goal for y' all is to win.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

A Super bowl, bro. Yeah, it's super bowl or bus.

[Joe Johnson]

So he knows distractions need to be limited. So I. I commend him on that. That was. That was big time. Y' all gotta lock in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, y'. All. Y'. All, if y' all lose a couple. Couple more games now, he probably. Y' all better get it.

[Isaiah Likely]

We ain't got. We ain't got no more to give. We didn't. Hey, everybody got this. That's all we had to give.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, Isaiah, tell us about the 17th annual Jimmy's famous Seafood Tots for Toys. Toys for Tot.

[Isaiah Likely]

Gala your home, you know, just to give back to the kids. I mean, it's always, you know, a blessing to be in the position you are to, you know, have your younger kids look up to you like a superhero. I mean, I remember when I was younger, the ultimate goal was, you know, get to where. Where I am. Now, so, you know, seeing kids, you know, that might not have it, you know, might be looking forward to it next year. Just being able to, you know, have. Be able to give it to them this year. Be able to look in their eyes, take pictures, sign autographs, be able to spend a little time with them, you know, just to make. They make their Christmas. Because I remember, you know, some. Some Christmases where you didn't get everything you wanted, but if I can give a kid, you know, something, you know, a smile or something. Oh, my God, there's a Ravens player. I mean, that's. That's just a blessing disguise, for real.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Everything you want to. Hell, there's some crib. Anything you wanted, man. Hey, look who talking about who took on my Halloween party. Did y' all do a Halloween?

[Isaiah Likely]

No.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Anymore.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What.

[Isaiah Likely]

What I wreck it was what I wreck it is. Oh, trying to tell you.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't no fun.

[Isaiah Likely]

I'm trying to tell you. Oh, we had. We had last year, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nothing to celebrate over there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So who host the Halloween party?

[Isaiah Likely]

Lamar last year and who it was last year? I want to say. I want to say B. I want to say BAE and another vet hosted last year. It was. It was lit, though. But this year, yeah, we.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

There wasn't even no after.

[Isaiah Likely]

Yeah, it wasn't even no talk about it this year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I left it. I left it to them, and they kept it going. And now y' all don't cut, man. Hey, look, you got to get that thing. Y' all gotta have. Y' all gotta get that thing crunk back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, they need to worry about November 21st of all.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y' all are looking. Hey, hey, Lamar, tell your family you don't even got to make no turkey. Cause y' all playing the turkey on the 27th. All right, all right, everybody. Man, ain't nobody scared of y'. All. O. Joe, man, what you talking about?

[Joe Johnson]

He know that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, listen. Hey, Joe. Hey, listen. This is a pass happy league, right? Any team that's. That's putting up 500 points. 5. 500 yards a game offensively, there's a reason to be scared.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes. Chicago ran for two damn near 300 yards. Derek Henry might set the NFL record. Lamar might have the most rushing yards by quarterback. They might rush for 500 on y'. All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Likely gonna have three touchdowns. I guarantee. I got. If the Raven. If the Ravens don't score at least 40 points on Y', all, I might come do. I might. I ain't no telling what I'm Liable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To do, you know, I, I tell you what, I tell you what. Make it light on yourself. Bet some.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You ain't got no, I ain't. Hold up. Did we talk about betting our own money? You owe Joe $100. Owe me 5,900.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold up. My $100 and went up to two, man. I mean we, we in, we, we in a whole new season. That man, that was last season, bro. Like we in a new season.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's interest on this. OO it's interest, baby. Hey, that's how I feel. We're gonna get you like, we're gonna get you out of this one. What do you guys need to do, you know, hey, look, the regular season, get yourself back into playoff contention and the big winning division, that's fine and good but you know how you guys measure when you got that guy that's a two time league mvp. When you got arguably one of the, one of the top three quarterbacks in the NFL currently playing and you have what you have offensively with King Henry got over 12,000 yards rushing and he got over 100 touchdowns. You know, you measured by what you do in the postseason, what is it going to take for the Ravens to get to an another ch. AFC championship and get to that Super Bowl? Because ultimately that's how Lamar is going to be measured. All he's got it. He's got all the individual, he's been voted player, the number one player by the players. He's been the All Pro, he's been an mvp. He has all the accolades. He know ultimately that's how he's going.

[Isaiah Likely]

To be for sure. And I'll say the first thing that we all talk about is just stop being ourselves. I mean that's just, you know, the one thing that I can say at the top of my head that since I've been on the team, that's just what we've been doing. And I say whether it's offense just turning the ball over, mental mistakes, mental errors, you know, just, just stuff you can control and allowing the other team to just play their best game against our best game and see how that go, rather than us, you know, playing ourselves and playing the other team and then try to make miracles happen. I feel like that's just, you know, been the mantra last couple of years where it's just like, I feel like if we play, you know, our style of game, our style of game play, you know, mistake free football and then just letting all of our talents, you know, offense and defense shine, I feel like it Ain't a team in the NFL that can play with us. So it's just, you know, just always just harping on the little things and harping on. Just stop being ourselves in the post again.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, man, thanks for joining us tonight. Like, congratulations on everything. Continue success. Stay healthy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I want you to stay on Raven, but, hey, gonna get you about go, you know, 100k season out there for the tight end. They catching 89 and you like. Shh.

[Isaiah Likely]

We good, though, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Continue success, man. Stay healthy, man. Hey, y' all win that. Hey, please, if y' all don't do that.

[Joe Johnson]

Come.

[Isaiah Likely]

Come to the game, too, if Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Gonna be out there popping it. Come.

[Isaiah Likely]

Come out to the game, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's in Cincinnati, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, it's in Baltimore.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, I think.

[Isaiah Likely]

Whatever game. Whatever game. Prime time. You and you in the bank, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, all right, I'll be there. Hey, give me a. Give me a sideline.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I want y'.

[Joe Johnson]

All.

[Isaiah Likely]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, I want to roam the sidelines at MT Bank. I used to own that stadium.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I used to own that stadium.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that was before. That was. That was. That was. That was after. That was after I left. Because they ain't run nothing. They run nothing but their mouths, like. Appreciate it, man. Congratulations on all the success. Stay healthy, man. We'll see you down the road, all right? All right, man. Appreciate it. Isaiah likely joining us. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, that game. That game is at M T. Oh, it is? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They play. Y' all play them on the 14th in Cincinnati.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, November. Damn. We playing back to back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, oh, yo. December.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

How the hell you gonna play them on the 14th and play them on the 27th? You play them on the 27th of November, and then you play them on the 14th of December.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I was just looking at the schedule, too.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You take ass whipping on both of them, but don't worry about it. Oh, Joe. Joe. I was. After the coast acquired Sauce Gardner, the team announced that Gardner would continue to wear his number one with his new team. Josh Downs Will were number two. His brother Caleb plays for Ohio State. He also wears that number. The wide receiver said it was just a little small. Bit of negotiating between the sides. The jersey number handoff. Yeah, Just a little friendly transaction. Man down. Said new teammate wanted to make it easy on him. We appreciate. Appreciate him being here. I know he's been number one and I know that number means a lot. Ocho. Joe, how much do you Think Sauce had to play to get that number?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, hey, hey, hey, for one, Joe, I mean, listen, we talk about Sauce Garden, huh? You hear me? We talk about a number that resonates with the individual with the New York Jets.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

50K at least.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, he ain't have 50k at least.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If I'm Josh Downs, I. I ain't really doing him like. Like that. I'm not doing. Just off of respecting who you. You know, you. You that boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This ain't no. Just know anybody now. If it just know, it's some. It old regular 50k. Okay, now we talking.

[Joe Johnson]

You think?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, 50k with eight. With the kind of money we making, Joe, with the kind. The kind of money we making, it's only 50k bad. Hey, you hear? 50k ain't bad. That's a good number, huh? Now that I can go with that 50k.

[Joe Johnson]

That's a lot, man. Listen, I know. Listen, I know cats in the NBA, man, who. Who had. Who, you know, exchanged numbers, and they may pay like 10, 15k, but it wasn't no 25k.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, it's coming up. Oh, yeah, that's a good number, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

We gotta. Hey, we gotta get Sauce on here to see and see what that transaction was. I don't think he paid no 50k now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, he don't want a number, then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, Joe.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

In the NFL, the way it works now, if you change numbers and you don't give the NFL a whole off season to get all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because they'll say you got to pay for.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You have to pay for all the number ones that got your name on the back of them. That's in. That's been printed. Yeah, but.

[Joe Johnson]

But what if Downs was just being a great teammate? Yeah, he took. He probably. He took a little. You know, he took. He took a payment from him, but maybe he just wanted to give sauce that night 50K.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's being a great teammate. If I was an asshole, it cost you 150.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I'm gonna ask him. Hey, hey, I'm. I'm. I'm curious. That's. That's a good question. Especially today. Today's day and age. When I think about the 50k. I remember, hell, when I went. When I went to the goddamn patriots to get 85, I had to pay Aaron Hernandez.

[Joe Johnson]

What you pay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I had to pay. Oh, number 25. It was number 25, 000. You know, that was.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Think about how long ago that's been, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that was.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh. Oh, that was. That was 15 years ago, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

What I'm saying is Aaron Hernandez probably. He probably wanted. He probably wanted his paper. I'm saying Downs was probably willing to give up that one to go to two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Depending on who it is. Depending on who it is. It's a. It's. It's a respecting. Oh, this sauce. I know the number one resonates with everything he's about based on who he is and all that, but this is by business.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, that's the NFL.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's my business. I need me some money. I got to make something off of this, you know, so I know Josh down, probably. I say maybe 50, I bet. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, that's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, let me be in Atlanta. Had that number two. Hey, hey, Joe, you want that number two?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, you know, hey, Joe, man, I saw this. What you call about, like. Man, they got this. What they call it, that. That. That pickup. That Ford pickup, that Shelby. Yeah, yeah, that Shelby. Hey, they got one up there. They're going to get that Shelby for your boy. The one with the black with the gray stripe down the middle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, man, are you talking about, like from the movie? Going to 60 seconds.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, but it's a. It's a pickup truck.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. Oh, a truck. Okay, my bad.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, well, they got a Shelby, but that was Eleanor. That must.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Shelby Cow Rescue. Soul Cow Shelby. Those cars you talk about three, five, seven million dollars.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, what?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Shelby. Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rewind for me real quick and give me a better understanding. How's the car? What is what for? 60s? 1960. What? What year?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, 60s.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How can a car in the 60s made in the 60s now be worth five or seven million dollars restored?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They ain't made no more of them.

[Joe Johnson]

Some of them.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Some of them. Best if they left alone in the. Because those cars were made for racing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So think about it, Ocho. The thing is, anytime they're not making more or something, it's really valuable. That's why the Mona Lisa is so valuable. That's why those original Declaration of independence that Mr. Earth says of Trust is getting ready to sell. He has an original copy of the Declaration of Independence. Damn. They have like 200 of them. Original, Original. He got one of the original copies of. Not a copy. The original copies.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, what's he got?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Prince guitar. He got Grateful Dead. He got Jimi Hendrick. He got Eric Clapton.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. He got a Jimi Hendrix guitar. And they gonna sell it?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, they sell a lot of that stuff. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Boy, they're gonna give pretty.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

A pretty penny for that. That was. That was his passion, collecting. Okay.

[Isaiah Likely]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So let. And he. That was that. And that's what he said. He's like, look, I understand. It's only here because I'm here. When I'm gone, let somebody else enjoy it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So, yeah, I totally get that. But I get it. Look, look, that one. I mean, it wouldn't even look right, Sauce being in another number.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, it would. It wouldn't. It wouldn't. It just. Other players can leave team and change numbers, and you don't blink eye. You don't bat eye.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A player like Lamar. Yeah. He can't be number a Jamar Chase a Sauce. I mean, where the number is, is. Is a representative of who they are. And when you see that number, that's what you think about.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. You see the Broncos, did they. They talked to the Chipuka family. They took 18 out. 18. Nobody had worn number 18, right. That's what Peyton like. Yes. I mean, can you imagine Peyton Manning in another number that's not 18?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it wouldn't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

See Tom Brady in another number that's not 12.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It wouldn't make sense.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, I. I can't. So can you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact. Hey, Joe, can you imagine Ocho sink on another number that wasn't 8 5?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, I can't. I can't imagine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just don't. It just don't make no sense.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, you can't be Ocho Cico if you got on 83ojo trace. So you had. You had to get. You had to get that O jokes. Hey, hey, Ocho, they'll get you because.

[Joe Johnson]

You pay top dollar for that 85.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, listen. Aaron Hernandez, when I. When I got New England, he showed love. He showed love and say, normally, if it wasn't you, you know, I'mma hit you across the head. But because of you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you meant that literally, too, though, huh? He meant that literally, too, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, I mean, if. If you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

If you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you see y'.

[Isaiah Likely]

All. Y' all not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all not want to s. But if you. If you knew him. If you knew him and how he was moving, like, stuff like that just doesn't occur because you're in the NFL. That's stuff that's been.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, he been that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. That's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, a lot of people try to. A lot of people try to get away from that. Nah, he ran back to it. But let me take that back. He never left it right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See and that, that's the problem. That's where most of the time you got to have someone else with the brains around you. When you the golden goose and the golden goose rather rather try to stay to being real, someone else has to step in. Nah man, you good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We don't need you to be real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You done with this lifestyle, you know. But hey, hey, it takes a village junk. It takes a village and you got when you got the right people around you, you know, you'll be alright. That's the most important thing, having the right people around you. So stuff like that doesn't happen.

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