Nightcap Hour 1: Ravens HIRE Chargers Jesse Minter as NEW Head Coach + Cowboys HIRE Christian Parker for DC + Baker Mayfield SENDS SHOTS at Kevin Stefanski + CJ Stroud MAKING EXCUSES?!

Summary

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Club Shay Shay — Nightcap Hour 1: Ravens Hire Jesse Minter + Cowboys Hire Christian Parker + Baker vs Stefanski + CJ Stroud “Excuses”?

Episode Date: January 23, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad Ochocinco Johnson (Ocho)

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Overview

In this Nightcap Hour, NFL legends Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson break down the major coaching moves around the NFL, fiery player-coach drama, and the development of young quarterback talents. The episode focuses on the Baltimore Ravens’ hiring of Jesse Minter, the Dallas Cowboys’ new defensive coordinator Christian Parker, Baker Mayfield’s pointed comments towards Kevin Stefanski, and a deep-dive on CJ Stroud’s controversial end-of-season remarks. The duo delivers a lively, candid analysis laced with humor, insider anecdotes, and their trademark banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Baltimore Ravens Hire Jesse Minter as Head Coach

(02:09–18:05)

Selection Decision & Cultural Fit:

• Shannon: Opens the discussion by introducing Minter’s hiring, referencing his previous stint as Ravens assistant and the current need to restore the “hard-nosed” Baltimore defense.
• Ocho: “It’s the right pick for someone that’s already been around there that knows what it’s like to play like a Raven… bring two chin straps.” (05:44)
• They agree Minter wasn’t a “safe” choice but a necessary one to return the Ravens to a dominant defensive identity.

Talent Deficit:

• Shannon: “Ray Lewis, hall of Famer ain’t coming through that door… They don’t have the same level of defensive talent that they once had. And I think that’s where it starts.” (07:06)
• They critique the lack of current playmakers (“impact players at specific positions”) and note recent failures to pressure quarterbacks.

Offensive Questions:

• Shannon: Stresses the need for “the most important thing”—an offensive coordinator that fits with Lamar Jackson’s strengths, referencing his preference for Clint Kubiak, and expressing concern over losing him. (08:40)
• Ocho: Believes Baltimore needs “another receiver…on the outside that’s a dog…young, maybe a little bit right outside their prime, but still good enough to take over a goddamn game at any point.” (12:41)

Looking Ahead:

• The hosts highlight the competitiveness of the AFC North and the importance of balancing offense and defense.
• Notable quote: “The best thing you can do is put [Lamar Jackson] in the best possible situation ... then once you get that lead, having a sustainable defense.” — Shannon (10:44)

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2. Dallas Cowboys Hire Christian Parker as Defensive Coordinator

(21:59–37:09)

Skepticism & Talent Gaps:

• Shannon: Introduces Parker’s meteoric rise and the challenging context of inheriting the league’s worst pass defense.
• Ocho: Delivers a damning assessment: “The hire doesn’t matter…you could bring Jesus out there to be the defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys, you’re still gonna get what you got.” (23:00)
• Both point out Dallas lacks the caliber of talent Parker had in Philly, especially in the secondary and linebacker corps.

Need for Roster Upgrades:

• Shannon & Ocho: Discuss Dallas’ reluctance to spend or make aggressive offseason moves.
  • Shannon: “Give those two first round picks and go get Max Crosby and stop playing.” (28:39)
  • Ocho: Considers potential trades for stars like Myles Garrett (“What you think about old 95 down there in Cleveland?” — 29:19) and T.J. Watt.
• Notable quote: “I don’t care nothing about no scheme and all this…give me them horses.” — Shannon (26:19)

Team Building & Front Office Philosophy:

• Lament over Jerry Jones’ approach to team-building, noting a persistent lack of Super Bowl contention since the 1990s due to personnel decisions.

Analogy:

• Shannon: “Bob Baffert’s great. He ain’t winning the Kentucky Derby with donkeys.” (36:42)
  • Ocho: “Without the horses, god damn it. It’s a good analogy, boy.” (36:58)

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3. Baker Mayfield SENDS SHOTS at Kevin Stefanski

(39:55–48:42)

Baker-Stefanski Feud:

• Shannon: Reads Baker’s sharply-worded post at Stefanski after his hire by the Falcons, noting tension about lack of post-trade contact.
• Quotes Baker: "Failed is quite a reach pal. Still winning on a text or call from him after I got shipped off like a piece of garbage. Can't wait to see you twice a year Coach." (Around 40:00)

Response & Locker Room Norms:

• Ocho: “Why in the hell would the goddamn player text the coach after getting traded? What sense does that make?...You don’t text and call no coach...This is business.” (41:10)
• Both clarify that position coaches or coordinators might contact a player after a move, but head coaches rarely do.

NFL as a Business:

• Shannon: Relates personal experience with dignity in player-owner relationships, and makes the larger point that “people don’t care nothing about you, especially when they don’t see you as valuable anymore.” (46:05)
• Discussion on how rare genuine personal connections are between management and players, but when they happen, they’re significant.

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4. CJ Stroud: “Making Excuses”?

(54:02–66:52)

The Controversial Exit Interview

• Shannon and Ocho listen to and dissect CJ Stroud’s remarks about his struggles and not having to “be Superman” due to Texans’ improved defense.
• Stroud (clip): “This year was a step for me where, like, I didn’t have to be Superman all the time, and I’m still growing in that, you know what I’m saying? So, you know, I appreciate my teams for taking a lot of pressure, you know, off of my plate…” (55:14–57:51)

Interpretation & Accountability:

• Shannon (skeptical): “Let’s check and see if this AI. Cause ain’t no way in hell—” (56:33)
• Ocho (measured): Differentiates between taking accountability and “making excuses.” “From what I got from it is…it’s one of the few times I didn’t have to be Superman this year because my defense is as great as they were.” (57:54)
• Shannon: Suggests Stroud’s comments muddy accountability—"You don’t mention your struggles because of the success of the defense. You only really Superman one year, Ocho.” (63:32)
• Ocho: Defends Stroud’s combined self-critique and team acknowledgment, noting “he can stand up in front of the camera and he can take accountability.” (59:42)

Playoff Turnovers:

• They itemize Stroud’s turnover stats, highlighting how critical ball security is, especially when the defense gives you a margin for error.
• Shannon: “Man had five fumbles and five picks in two games.” (65:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ocho on Ravens identity: “When you come to play the goddamn Ravens, bring two chin straps.” (05:44)
• Shannon, on coaching vs. talent: “Bob Baffert’s great. He ain’t winning the Kentucky Derby with donkeys.” (36:42)
• Ocho on Dallas' futility: "You could bring Jesus out there to be the defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys, you're still gonna get what you got." (23:00)
• On Baker-Stefanski drama:
  • Ocho: "You don’t text and call no coach after getting traded…This is business." (41:10)
  • Shannon: “If Brady can’t get no parting call, ain’t nobody getting no damn call.” (46:12)
• CJ Stroud reflection: “This year was a step for me where… I didn’t have to be Superman all the time, and I’m still growing in that...” (55:14)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Jesse Minter to Ravens (deep dive): 02:09–18:05
• Cowboys hire Christian Parker: 21:59–37:09
• Baker Mayfield/Kevin Stefanski feud: 39:55–48:42
• CJ Stroud postseason comments: 54:02–66:52

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Tone & Atmosphere

• Tone: Candid, playful banter with unfiltered assessments and occasional storytelling.
• Style: Direct, sometimes brash, always authentic. Both hosts blend insight with humor (“Just say, you know what, I need to do better. Don't blame your defense…” — Shannon, 63:32).

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Conclusion

This Nightcap is a quintessential slice of Club Shay Shay: big NFL news dissected by pros who mix X’s and O’s with personality and perspective. Shannon and Ocho underscore the importance of talent over scheme, call out organizational habits (especially Dallas), poke fun at player-coach drama, and keep each other honest when discussing QB maturity. As always, their chemistry keeps the sports talk lively, insightful, and relatable—even if you missed the episode, you’ll be fully caught up on the football moves and the mindset behind them.

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Transcript

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's the right pick for someone that's already been around there that knows what it's like to play like a rev A Raven. Understanding that moniker, understanding the rich history in which defenses have always played with since the early 2000s, trying to bring that back, trying to bring that culture back of defensive players creating a, a certain atmosphere. When you come to play the goddamn Ravens, bring two chin straps. That's what it was like during our time. Bring two chin trap because it's going to be a game of straight physicality. Being able to dominate on the defensive end. Obviously you had Lamar Jackson and the offense and what they're able to do, but they need to bring their identity back in being the Ravens of old. Even though we're in 2026, this is the right coach to be able to do that. He knows defense, he understands that he has a defensive mind and obviously they're going to be some changes that are made. They need to obviously address the issues on that front end because hell, you, you got Marlon Humphrey, you got brother, you know, brother Wiggins. Hey, if, if, if I was running routes for eight seconds, I'd be able to get open too. Because they ain't, they ain't put no pressure on no goddamn body. But I think he was the right coach. He wasn't a safe one. He was the right one. So I'm hoping he does, you know, that team justice, that organization justice and get the Ravens back to what we're used to seeing them on the defensive end.

[Shannon Sharp]

You know, when you say play like a Raven and the defense used to be, you know, Ray Lewis, hall of Famer ain't coming through that door. Ed Reed, hall of Famer ain't coming through that door. Former defensive player of the year and future hall of Famer Terrell Terrell Suggs ain't coming through that door. Not coming through that door. Yeah, they don't have the same level of defensive talent that they once had. And I think that's where it starts. And you mentioned up front, I think they, they, they, they need they need some. They need edge players. They need somebody that can get to the quarterback.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

And they haven't had that in a while. Calvin. Or turned back the high of the time two years ago and had a career year. But to expect him to be that when he's only been that one time in his 10, 11 year career. I think you're asking a bit much. When the guy they traded to the Chargers, he leaves the Ravens, have zero sacks, goes to the Charger, have seven and a half in about six weeks.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

So I don't know if it was scheme. I don't know if he was unhappy. I don't know what it was. But he looked like a different player.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharp]

In that with the Chargers. That he did. Now, obviously he got better players around him. He got Khalil Mack, he got the Samoan sensation. They got guys that can flow. They got fast as linesbacker with Paramount and Henley. They got Derwin James, who's basically Kyle Hamilton. Derwin James, okay, I can see that. But my only question is, okay, you get a defensive mind. Steve Bashad is familiar with him. He's been in the building for about four years. He left and he came back. Who are you going to get as an offensive coordinator?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's important.

[Shannon Sharp]

That is the most important thing. Now, Lamar said he wanted Clint. He liked Clint Kubiak. He loved the way he attacked the field. He loved how he always stresses the defense. They didn't hire him. Now he's not leaving Seattle for a lateral move to go to Baltimore. So I just don't know who they're going to get as an offensive coordinator. Right. But they definitely need some players. Ocho, they. They've got to get. They've got to get.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on. I don't like when you say it like that. You said they need some players. They don't need just some players. There are a lot of players to go. They need. Hold on. They need impact players, impact players at Pacific positions, the first level and the second level. First level and the second level. I'm not sure who you can get that can. That can play the nine technique. I'm not sure you can get at the. At the middle backup position because sometimes Roquan Smith gets exposed on passing down because that's not what he does. He's not good at that. Roquan Smith is a very, very good linebacker. I think it would have been much better during our era, huh? Yes, would have been much better during our era. So, I mean, listen, I like him, but they need improvement. Tremendous Improvement, you know, and this, this is good. This is, I'm not biased because I'm a Bengal fan. I watched the Ravens, you know, in depth, in watching them play and I know what improvements they need to make defensively for them to get back to where they need to get to. They got to meet the offense halfway, just halfway, because they were, they was at the bottom of the league most goddamn season. Even though they got better as the season went on.

[Shannon Sharp]

Well, I mean, I, I would hope they couldn't get worse. I think the thing is, is that like when you have that level of defense and what the Ravens fans are used to, they had Ray Lewis for 17 years. They had Suggs for like 13, 14 years. They had Ed Reed for over a decade. You had hello, nada. You, they're used to the Rod woods and all those guys that were there that started this. They're used to that level of play and they're not, they don't look you, you, you're probably not. There's, there's a less than 0.5% chance that you'll find another Ray Lewis.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Or Ned Reed. You talk about two of the greatest players to ever play this game in 100 plus year history. So let's just set that to the side. But I think you can get some players that are better that, that, that, that can do, that can perform at a level that are better than what they performed at. That's unacceptable. That's unacceptable. Now I, I, I, I, I, I hope Lamar comes back healthy. He had a short season, he didn't make the playoffs, so hopefully he gets those hamstrings healed up, he's ready to, he's ready to come back. But I'm, I'm really anxious to see who's the offensive coordinator and what type of system they're going to run because that is the most important thing. Lamar Jackson is your most important valuable asset. The best thing you can do is put him in the best possible situation for him to succeed. That gives you the best chance of winning. Now once you get that lead, Ocho having a, a sustainable defense. Yeah, because think about all those leads that they had. Remember they had a 15 point lead and they end up losing the Buffalo. Think about all the leads. They had a lead to the Patriots and lost that one. So we see a reoccurring theme about especially over the last two years that get the lead but unable to hold the lead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

And so the offensive coordinator is going to be very, very, I thought they would go an offensive route because they went special teams route and John harbor to hit it out the park. You couldn't ask for anything. They got 18 years out of a Super bowl, many division titles and some playoffs. And so with Lamar Jackson, I thought they would probably go offense and give him something.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharp]

But the offensive coordinator is going to be the most important thing. Who do you get to coordinate that offense that can take. That can be most beneficial to Lamar, that receiving core? And you got Derek Henry. What. What type of offense are you going to run, Ocho? What, What. What are you going to do? That's the most important thing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, most definitely. And you know what? Also, I wouldn't mad. I wouldn't mind adding another receiver.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yes, absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm talking about. I'm talking about the outside guy. We know. Yeah, they can play. They can, they can play on the outside, but he's more of a slot guy. He can dominate intermediate.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, he's small.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. I would love someone on the outside. That's a dog. That, that's, that's. That's young, maybe a little bit right outside their prime, but still good enough to take over a goddamn game at any point.

[Shannon Sharp]

I'm trying to solo. Oh, Yeah, it's just hard. I mean, you got to be really, really special to be that size and be play outside. I mean, there are not a whole lot of five, nine guys. I mean, you talk about a Steve Smith or you talk about a Tyreek Hill. You talk about guys with exceptional. Tyreek had just God gives natural speed. Steve Smith was just flat out. He played with a different type of mentality.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Mentality, yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

So, I mean, and to be outside, to play outside them numbers and to be that boy, you got to really be that boy. But I'm really anxious. I'm happy for the Ravens. We're going to see what, what they do in that division. Joe, Joe Burrows there. We don't know what's going to happen with Aaron Rodgers. Does he come back to the Steelers? Does he move on? I don't know if he's going to want to come back. 41, pushing about to be 42.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharp]

And, and, and he's not pushing the ball down the field. And when you don't push the ball down the field, because in order to push the ball down the field, Ocho, you got to take some licks.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

And when you get old, you don't like, think about it as you get older. You don't want to fall, you don't want to do anything. You become very, very careful. It's hard to be careful on the football field, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It is, it is. It is. And matter of fact, and wanting to take the shots down the field, it makes it very, very difficult when you got. Only got one person that you can use to do that. And we saw that with the absence of DK Metcalf. Damn offense got. Damn. You know, it. It stalled in a sense because there was no one that could take the COVID to take the top off the coverage.

[Shannon Sharp]

Correct.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So you got to Damn near go 11, 12, 14 play.

[Shannon Sharp]

You do. So the, the next question, who do they hire as an offensive coordinator? And I want. I wonder if they. Steve Bashani, you know, like, hey, basically, I'm paraphrasing here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Said Lamar does have some power, but he doesn't have as much as me. So, yeah, I will take. I will listen. I will take some advice. But the final decision comes down to what do I want.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it sounds good.

[Shannon Sharp]

It sounds. So I was hoping to get an offensive guy. I'm talking about one of these offensive gurus. I was really hoping that Ocho. But hey, Steve knew what he would look for. Obviously he saw something when the guy was up with there and he saw something.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So, yeah, I think, I think, I think Bashadi also understands that we need to get a defensive mind in here to help us with this goddamn defense. We need somebody to help us with the goddamn defense and get us back to a respect level that we used to have. Defensively, the offense is going to take care of itself. Lamar healthy. Lamar is going to be able to take care of itself. Regardless of who we bring in there to run our offense, we're going to be fine because we have one of the best three, five quarterbacks in the NFL. We gonna be all right in that area. But they goddamn defense being as bad as they were at the beginning of the season, man, we ain't. We ain't gonna be deadly squad. We couldn't. We. We couldn't be the Sisters of the north with that damn defense they had.

[Shannon Sharp]

They. I. I think the thing is, and because Lamar Jackson has won a MVP with Greg Roman. He's won an MVP with Todd Monkin. Steve probably thinking, hell, we can get anybody here. That's Lamar Jackson. He's that special.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Bingo.

[Shannon Sharp]

And I really do. Oh, yo, and that's not to. That's not to be dismissive anyone, because I think, you know, it takes something. I mean, that says something. But Greg Roman has coordinated a Super bowl offense. Remember, he had Cap. Yeah, he was the OC when Cap Went to the super bowl and there was a throw away in the end zone from being a Super bowl champ. So Greg Roman, I mean you look his is, his offense is a little mundane sometimes. Yes. I thought Todd Monkey did a very good job with Lamar given this year. Lamar was not healthy but I thought he did a great job. Yeah, but I mean now he's with the Giants and you know he has scattered. I look like he's going to have, you know, be with John and the Giants and they got Scatter boo and they, you know they got Malik neighbors if he comes back healthy and I think Wandell Robinson will be there. I like the title. I forget his name but I think they have and Jackson Dark I think he could do because look he a two time national championship winning offensive coordinator with the Georgia Bulldogs and what he did with Stetson Bennett who was two times offensive most outstanding player, international championship game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

So the Baltimore Ravens hired Jesse Mentor, the former defensive coordinator for the Los Angeles Chargers to be the next head coach and if he can have a tenure similar to John Harbaugh. Steve, you did it. You've done it again.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Done it again. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Ocho, the chat wants to know where you got that, that T shirt from.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, this shirt. Hey, for, for those, for those in the chat, I'm sure you're probably laughing at it because all the colors but if you have your phones on your hand, you can Google this is the legendary, the iconic Mexican goalkeeper by the name of George Campos. That's J O R GE Campos, you know. Yeah, yeah. Or Jorge or Jordan, however you want to say it. But he, I'm talking about a legend, a true, a true legendary goalkeeper from Mexico. He sent me, he sent me this jersey. It's signed on the back. So I'm wearing it tonight. Obviously I'm going to be wearing vintage and current and, and 80s 70s soccer jerseys from now on for, for the, for the, for the rest of the time. So you're always going to see stuff that looks kind of weird. That's from back in the days. But if there's anybody in the chat that's Mexican, obviously you know who George Campos is. For those of you that don't, you can google him. And when he, when he, when he pops up, you'll see all his shirt and his attire was always very flashy like Liberace.

[Shannon Sharp]

Very colorful.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, very colorful. Yeah.

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[Shannon Sharp]

The Dallas Cowboys are hiring Philadelphia Eagles secondary coach and passing game coordinator Christian Parker as their new defensive coordinator. It's a bit of meteoric rise for Parker, 34, who spent the past two season under Vic Fangio staff in Philly and only only coached in the NFL since 2019. Parker Secondary has been the strength of the Eagles top five scoring defense both years there. Philly ranked first in passing yards allowed in 2024 while giving up 22 touchdowns through the air, the six fewest in the NFL this past season. Finished eighth in passing yards allowed and first in passing touchdown surrenders with 14. That's a stark difference from Dallas, which was the worst defense in the league and passing yards allowed, giving up a whopping 35 touchdowns. 31st in 2025. The Dallas also finished 32nd and 30th in points and yards allowed respectively, which led to the firing of defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus after one season. Ocho, would you like this higher?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, the higher doesn't matter, huh? The higher doesn't matter. I mean, you could bring Jesus out there to be the defensive coordinator of the Dallas Cowboys. You're still gonna get what you got. You have to understand what coach is coming from. Coach is coming from the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Their strength and their identity is on the defensive end. Well, hell, you got Cooper, Dejan, you got Keon Mitchell, you, you, you got hello, blanket front for that blanket ship.

[Shannon Sharp]

You got Zach Braun, that front four, Kobe, Dean, you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, the second level, you got Bond. I mean, there's a reason why the defense looked like it did. There's a reason why coaches get jobs to go other places when they've been at places where the goddamn talent level is somewhat damn near.

[Shannon Sharp]

I agree.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that's what it is now for, for Coach. You know, Mr. Parker, going over to goddamn Dallas now is where coaching comes into play.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If you ain't got the quality or the skill players of those positions, you're still going to get exposed. So what you had to work with in Philly, you don't have to work with in goddamn Dallas, that's going to be the problem that you're going to run into. So it doesn't matter who you bring in the coach, if you don't have the quality of players to be able to run the scheme or the system that you want to, that you want to incorporate. I'm just being honest.

[Shannon Sharp]

You've been very honest. And I think that's the thing is that I can't off the top of my head. I don't know if there's a player on defense, on Dallas's defense, that I would take over, somebody on the Eagles defense, especially not the secondary.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nobody.

[Shannon Sharp]

Definitely not the linebackers. I'm not even Quinn and Mitchell. I wouldn't take him over Jordan Davis. I wouldn't. And I know he's been an all Pro, and I know he's going to the Pro Bowl. But right now, as I sit here and we have this conversation with you, I wouldn't. We know Jaylen Carter has talent at the yin yang.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

I just need him to play hard all the time. I don't think. I mean, I need Big Fangio to get in his ear and have a conversation with him. Hopefully he called him in, said, son, if you're not in defensive player of the year discussion, you failed. We failed you and you failed us. Right? You have that kind of ability. Big Fangio have been around some of the great talent defensive players in the league. I remember having a conversation with Wade Phillips. Wade was the D coordinator in Houston. And I was asking him about J.J. watt, and he said, shannon, they keep talking about he. A bus. He's gonna be a bus. He said, shannon, he's gonna have a bust in Canton with you. That's what I. I swear, Ocho, he. That's what he told me. He said, shannon, he's gonna have. He's gonna have a bus in Canton with you. Before the guy even played a down. He says, if you watch this guy in practice now, I think he would know. He coached Reggie White. He coached Ricky Jackson. He coached Von Miller. He coached a lot of great. What's the guy he wanted? He won defensive player of the year at Buffalo. Bryce Pop.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Bruce Smith all the. Bryce Pop was the defensive player of the year. Bruce Smith was a defensive player year. Reggie White was a defensive player of the year. Ricky Jackson in the hall of Fame. Von Miller, we know he called. He said, this guy's as good as I've ever coked. And I'm talking about Reggie. He coached Reggie. He coached Ricky Jack. He coached Bruce Smith. He said, this kid is as good as. As good as I've seen.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

So it matters. I don't care nothing about no scheme. And all this you can get as exotic as you want to. Give me them. Give me them horses.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you need them, huh? You need them. You need. You need the horses. I'm glad Mr. Christian Parker got the D.C. job. It's good to see you continue to elevate in your career and try to climb that ladder that cloak that coaching ladder was very difficult to climb, especially going to Dallas to be able to do it. The problem that you're going to face is if you don't, you don't have the same quality of players.

[Shannon Sharp]

You don't have the Eagle secondary, you don't, you don't have Quinya, you don't have Cooper, you don't have Blankenship.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharp]

Ain't nobody in your secondary is comparable to those three guys. Now, obviously you're going to coordinate the defense. And when you throw Vaughn and Nicobe Dean in there and you look at, they got Jalen Phillips, they got Jordan Davis, they got a Carter.

[CJ Stroud (clip)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Y'. All, y' all don't have the equivalent of that in Dallas.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharp]

And, and it doesn't matter what you do offensive because we've seen that Dak has been playing out of his mind.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

But if he has a, if he has a slow start or an off game, you guys aren't stopping anything.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now. Now what we can say is we do have the draft coming up. We do have off season acquisitions. I'm sure Dallas is going to have.

[Shannon Sharp]

Don't like to spend the money now. They don't. They don't like to go in fridge and say Ocho. Hey, they like to get that Ocho. You know how you just go back to school?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

You don't got everything been picked on everybody and tried them jeans on and the shirts.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, Right.

[Shannon Sharp]

Like, damn. Oh, it's just. We're gonna mark it off another $5. Cause they got a little mark because everybody had their ass in these jeans.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Now you heard what you just said.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You said Dallas doesn't like to do certain things they don't like. They don't like to do certain things. As far as an off season, when the last time Dallas been to the playoffs? In the Super Bowl. Forget the playoff, they've been to the playoffs recently. When's the last time they've been to The Super Bowl?

[Shannon Sharp]

95. They won this 95. Super Bowl. 96. January of 96.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. You make your hay. You make your hay in offseason acquisitions and getting players that can help you improve year to year. How do I get better? What area do I need to improve in? You get those veteran players, veteran presence. Because the chances of getting somebody in the draft and gonna come in right now and make a tremendous impact and change the trajectory of your offense and your defense is not likely.

[Shannon Sharp]

Man. Give those two first round picks and go get Max Crosby and stop playing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on now. Talk to Me. Talk nice to me. Talk nice to me.

[Shannon Sharp]

Go get those two first round draft picks and go get Max Crosby. Cause you're not gonna get anybody in the draft better than Max Crosby.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharp]

And he's probably the only guy that can be had as far as left. You're not getting Miles Garrett, you're not getting Hutchinson, you're not getting, you're not getting Daniel Hunter, you're not getting will Anderson Jr. You're not getting any of those guys. You're not getting Bonito, you're not getting Burst, you're not getting any of these top tiers Russians. So I don't. Bro, give up that first. Give up. Hold on, hold on. Go get Max Crosby.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got a question. I got a question now. Yeah, you said, you said a whole lot of names. You know of some good impact players that can make a, a change, have a tremendous impact over there in Dallas. What you think about old 95 down there in Cleveland, coming on down there to the big star?

[Shannon Sharp]

They're not trading him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, I, I'm just, I'm just asking. I'm trying to see where you hate that.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hold on. This guy about to be a two time defensive player of the year. I tell you what, they're gonna have to give up three first round draft picks and probably a couple of players.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, but let me tell you something. He was there with 30. Hold on, let me. He was, he was with, he with Cleveland last year, right?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How many wins they had last year with him?

[Shannon Sharp]

Not a lot.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, well, they can have not a lot without him.

[Shannon Sharp]

Guess what? He the only reason you, your only reason you going, you know they gonna lose. But I'm see how many sacks he gonna get.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, I got you.

[Shannon Sharp]

I got you. You know what I'm saying? You gotta have something, Ocho. Yeah, and look, he seemed, and he's made it abundantly clear he's happy there. He says as long as, as long as, hey, I want to win and as long as I believe that they're going in trending in the right direction, I'm happy. I'll be here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don't, don't, don't fall for that. Come on.

[Shannon Sharp]

You know, you know I just said what he said.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, that's, that's what he said. But anytime you put a camera in a mic in front of a player's face and it's going, everything is PC. It's PC. You.

[Shannon Sharp]

You know, honestly, Ocho, I don't think he wants to leave. I think he likes Cleveland. I think he wants to I think he wants to, wants to. He. Whatever success that Cleveland has, he wants to be a part of it. He doesn't want to look, he don't look at himself like a mercenary. See, like Vaughn was willing. Like the Broncos traded Vaughn to the Rams and what did they do? They put inside AD In Linda, Florida. And now you got hell on your hands. And you see the second half. Joe had that outstanding first half. And you watch the second half and you watch them mofos take the game over. You watch AD Whip everybody ass.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, I tell you what, I tell you what. If you say Miles Garrett had no chance or opportunity to go to the Dallas Cowboys because the Cleveland Browns would never even think the thought of trading him is a no. No, because that's the only thing you do have.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What about T.J. watt leaving the Steelers and going to put that stone?

[Shannon Sharp]

DJ Might be a possibility. Trey Hendrickson. You got Trey Hendrickson. You, you don't wouldn't have to give up any compensation for him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I, I, I like the upside of having, of having T.J. watt. I like the, I like the upside of having T.J. watt.

[Shannon Sharp]

Trey, he's been, he's been nicked the last couple of years. His production tends to go down towards the tail end of the season. But that first half, he's phenomenal. Yeah, he's a defensive player of the year. He's a Pro bowl player. He's been an All Pro. He had tied the NFL record of 22 and a half sacks until Miles Gary broke it of 23. So, yeah, I like it. But that's a big salary. You got to play now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello. We need to do something. You got to pay, you got to pay for your product now. You ain't getting nothing for free. I know one thing. If you do pay that big salary, every owner, when it comes to business, also when it comes to players, if we put money into you, we want a return on that investment. And that's the type of player with your pan in big money, the chances are 98.9 you're gonna get a return on an investment when you invest in elite talent like that.

[Shannon Sharp]

I agree, I agree, Ocho, but they got to do something. They got to do something because it doesn't do any you any good. You got a 4,000 yard passer to 1,000 yard receivers and a thousand yard rusher and your ass missed the playoffs.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[CJ Stroud (clip)]

Yeah. Why?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We know why.

[Shannon Sharp]

Because, because you had a Super bowl offense and a Bud bowl defense.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, could you imagine. I got a question. For you. Could you imagine. Could you imagine the Dallas Cowboys, hypothetically speaking? Chat. Yeah, stay with me. The Dallas Cowboys offense with the Seahawks defense, with the, with the Broncos defense.

[Shannon Sharp]

Dog, that one ain't gonna be. Man, you're not. It's Ocho. Do you understand how hard it is to have that man? Because normally you invest on one side or the other. You says, okay, this is how we're going to make our hay. Now you. It's possible if you draft really, really well.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Really well.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes. You look at the Broncos one year, okay, they drafted demarius Thomas, they drafted Eric Decker, they drafted Julia Thomas, they drafted. No Sean Marino. They drafted. They had. I think Clay was. Was there. And then they drafted Von Miller, they drafted Roby. They draft Chris Harris Jr. Was undrafted. They drafted those two backers, Danny Trevathan and, and Brandon Marshall. They drafted Derek Wolf, they drafted Malik Jackson. So now you sprinkle in a key. Now you sprinkle in T.J. ward. Yeah. Like. Okay. Okay, now we, we got something.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, you know, it's, it's all about knowing how to build a team. You do a. Having the right team, having the right eyes, having the right scouts.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman have done a phenomenal job at that. I'm not sure why. This is a copycat league. It's a copycat NFL when it comes to offenses and defenses. Things that you see other. Other things that you see work for other people. Most of the time teams copy it, whether it be offense or defense. I'm not sure why owners and coaches and GMs and scouts don't copy.

[Shannon Sharp]

Cause I tried to do it my way. Ocho, that's your way.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, but their ways working, that's the point.

[Shannon Sharp]

I'd rather fail my way than succeed somebody else's. Hey, look at Houston Texans. Look how they drafted. You get Will Anderson, you get Stingley, Lassiter Petrie. 2020. I think that's how you say his name. T o o. T o. You get him. Now you traded for Algier. Will Anderson Jr. Now you, you get Danelle Hunter in free agency. Yeah. Okay. You get cj, you get Nico, you get Tank Dale, Woody Marks with a low round draft pick. I think you go back into the draft, you get an offensive lineman, but that's what you got. You got. You got to have it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

It's hard. I mean, to have me one offense, one defense. I think the Patriots. I thought the Patriots, the Chargers had the number one offense and number one defense and missed the playoffs. How'd that happen? But the Cowboys. Look, the Cowboys have a formula. Jerry believes he has a formula. He wants everybody to take a discount because you played in Dallas and it should be an honor to play in Dallas. It should be an honor. He don't really pay his coaches top dollar because it's an honor for you to coach the Cowboys, but something's got to give. Yeah, he keeps on talking that he'll. He'll. He'll sit down and retire once he has the most super bowl, bro. You got three. The Patriots got six. And the Steelers, the Rooneys, they got six. You got a ways to go. You're not close. You missed the playoffs. I don't even know why you talking Super Bowls. You shouldn't say super or Bowl. As a matter of fact, you put another piece, say supper, we about to eat and go to bed. But.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

Look, I agree with everything you just said. I'm glad for the meteoric rise that Parker had. But at the end of the day, I don't care who the trainer is. Bob Baffert's great. He ain't winning the Kentucky Derby with donkeys.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Without the horses. God damn it. It's a good analogy, boy. Damn, that's.

[Shannon Sharp]

And I know. And I know Bob very well.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's a good analogy. That's a.

[Shannon Sharp]

You're not.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's a good one. That's a good analogy. I like that one. So I'm stealing that.

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[Shannon Sharp]

They Atlanta Falcons find their new head coach. They agreed to terms with Kevin Stefanski last week and Stefanski now is in the NFC South. It means that he's going to have to face off against Baker Mayfield twice a year. Yeah Orlando Ledbetter Falcons coach Kevin Stefanski had a dumpster fired quarterback in Cleveland Baker Mayfield, Deshaun Watson fail which started the chain reaction to 11 other starters. Shador Sanders closed out last season with seven starts. Excuse me. Baker took exception and responded by firing a shot at his former coach. Failed is quite of reach pal. Still winning on a text or call from him after I got shipped off like a piece of garbage. Can't wait to see you twice a year Coach. Then Joe Thomas. You know we had Joe Thomas on last year at the at the draft. It was in Green Bay. He's from Wisconsin. Joe played over 10,000 snaps and only missed one snap in his career. Uh, he said Joe Thomas said I could Be wrong, but I've heard that communication is a two way street, and there are no laws against you, Baker, sending Stefanski a text or calling him after you got traded.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Why in the hell. Why in the hell would the goddamn player text the coach after getting traded? What sense does that make? I love Joe. I love Joe to death. Absolutely not. You don't text and call no coach about, oh, thank you for everything.

[Shannon Sharp]

No, not the head coach, not your position coach, offensive coordinator, or your quarterback coach most of the time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But, you know, but listen, don't nobody really need to be texting nobody, honestly, you know, Nobody need to be texting honestly, you know.

[Shannon Sharp]

Well, I got text.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

This is. This is business. This is the. This is the business. They're saying we ain't here to be friends. We getting paid a hefty ransom to play a child's game that we love. And if you mean if it's not working out here, what we gonna do? We're gonna ship your ass off.

[Shannon Sharp]

You mean a King's Ramsdom or health?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I said a hefty. A hefty. Ramsay Kings Hefty same. It's a lot. You mean a lot.

[Shannon Sharp]

Well, yeah, the chat. Knew what you meant, though, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, my bad, my bad.

[Shannon Sharp]

We're Gonna look back 40 years from now. That's gonna be a. A hefty ransom. Look, when I. When I. When I left Denver, Coop and my position coach, Brian Periani, who you saw in the video with me on Saturday in the box, and we still communicate. And when I left Baltimore to go back to Denver, Wade Harmon, who was my position coach, they all called me. So I. I didn't expect the head coach to call, but my position coach and the offensive coordinator, like I said. But I had known Cool since I've been in Denver. I'd known Coop since who's the offensive coordinator, was. He was my quarterback back up to John for two years. Two years. And then he was my officer coordinator from 95 through 99. And when I got back, 02 and 03, BP was the same thing. So we had that type of relationship they call. Say, Bud, I'm sorry. Wish there was something I can do, but Cool told me, said, look, go show them what it takes to be a champion. Go show them what it takes to win a Super Bowl. I know you still got juice in the tires, and I wish that was something BP said. Homeboy said, damn, I sure hate to see you go, but go do what you do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharp]

And.

[CJ Stroud (clip)]

And.

[Shannon Sharp]

And Wade Harmon, who was my position coach in Baltimore said the same thing. Say, gonna miss you. Big play. Gonna miss you. You kept it. You kept it fun, and I never had to worry about you. But normally, coaches. Head coaches don't call. No, they don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They don't.

[Shannon Sharp]

They. I mean, Ocho, look, I'm not trying to dump on Baker because I think Baker is done a great job. I don't know if Baker would have had the level of success that he had in Tampa if he'd had in Cleveland. Because they were out. I think the organization, because you hear whisper, they wanted an adult to be. To lead the team. And I think they were kind of out on him at that point in time, Ocho. So I don't know if he'd have the level of success. He wasn't going to have success in Carolina because Carolina would just. That was the dumpster fire. And then he went to the Rams, and we know that was only because Matthew Stafford got hurt and they needed a quarterback to fill in, so forth and so on. So he landed on his feet. But you. You take it a little personal, Ocho. Cause if somebody gets rid of you, if your girl. If your girl says she wants to break up, she believes that she can find someone better than you, you feel some type of way you do. It's natural, and it's okay. Something like, damn. Oh, y' all really feel. Y' all really feel like y' all can. Y' all can replace me. Forget on the field. Y' all don't even know about all these brush fires that I put out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharp]

In the locker room.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Take your time.

[Shannon Sharp]

That you don't even know about. How I kept the guys loose, you know, on the practice and made sure guys were ready to play and held guys accountable.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yep. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Bet. But I like it. I like. I like Baker. Now, this is gonna be exciting for me. Now, we got. We got Stefanski, and we got Baker that is going. That's. Excuse me. That's gonna be the replacement for Marshawn Lattimore and goddamn Mike Evans. Even though Stefanski is not on the field, I'm looking forward to every Tampa bait and goddamn Atlanta Falcon game, because I just want to see Baker throw a touchdown and throw something and look at Stefanski and just.

[Shannon Sharp]

You know he is. You know he is. You know he will.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, talk is trash. I like the way Baker Mayfield plays the game. He got moxie. Like Mel Kuiper says, he plays with a chip on his shoulder, you know, So I have no problem with it. I understand. The only thing I Don't like is. Oh, you could have called. Nah, man, it's a business, man. And people don't care nothing about you, especially when they don't see you as valuable anymore.

[Shannon Sharp]

Thank you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We don't see you as valuable, man. Go about your business, man. That's why I'm shipping you off.

[Shannon Sharp]

Let me ask you a question, though, Joe. You think Coach Belichick called Tom Brady?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell, no. Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharp]

If. If he can. If Brady can't get no. No parting call, Ain't nobody getting no damn call.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Not at all. But, hey, it's the nature of the business. Don't. You got to be able to separate the two. You have to be able. Separate the two and understand and get your feelings out of it. You got to get your feelings out of it.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, I know what I meant. The owner, Art Model.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

When I left, he wrote me a personal letter. Handwritten. I got. I'll take a picture of next time. It's on my wall. Because when I went to the hall of Fame, Peyton sent me a letter. Mr. Dan Rooney sent me a letter there about three owners, four owners sent me a letter. The player plate. The plate. Peyton Manning was the player, right? But Art Modell, when I went to go back to Baltimore, when I went to go back to Denver, he's like, shannon, I would love to have you, he said, but you deserve the right to go back to Denver. Retired Bronco, he said, you did me proud. You did what you know, hey, you're great, he said, but I'd be so selfish if I kept you knowing that you really wanted to go back to Denver. That meant a lot to me. That. That meant a lot. Because. Mr. He. He thought a lot. He thought a lot of me and Ray. We'd always. He either he and Ozzy would be sitting on the golf cart, Ocho, and he would make Ozzy. Him and Ozzy would walk back while me and Ray would get the golf cart and drive. Well, I damn sure we're gonna drive it back. Did you get back on there? We drive it up to the building to park it, right? Or he'd have a driver or something, and he would drive us up there. They'd get off, stand and talk. Driver, take me and Ray up to the building, turn around and go back and get Ozzy and Art. So Art did. He did, in fact, when I went back to Denver, send me a personal letter thanking me for my contributions there and said I deserve the right to go retire Bronco.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's dope. That's dope.

[Shannon Sharp]

I mean, that was bad.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Your relationship is kind of different.

[Shannon Sharp]

It is bad. I had great relationships.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Most players don't carry themselves the way you did. Where there's a certain respect.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Where he didn't see it as just business, you know, he saw it a little bit more special than that. And everyone is not afforded the opportunity.

[Shannon Sharp]

No real.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That type of relationship with owners. But owners are really good at keeping it down the middle, being able to separate the two, because when it's time to let you go, you can't have feelings get in the way.

[Shannon Sharp]

You right? Well, that's why they don't want. They don't want higher ups messing with subordinates because it clouds your judgment.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

You remember what Bathsheba did today? What David did to Bathsheba's husband?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on now.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's why you don't let generals have. With. With corporals and underneath, because I, you know, we get this thing called war, and I might have to put your ass out there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

And then, you know, we got a little hanky panky going on. You know, I'm like, come on now. My boo can't go, right? Mr. B. When I got back, man. Mr. I remember when I retired Ocho and had a conversation with Mr. B, and he's like, is there any job that you want in the organization? I say, Nah, Mr. B. I say, My, my, you know, this TV thing. And every time I would come back, you know, I used to go back a lot. I did. I used to go back a lot. I go see him in training camp and stuff like that. He would always ask me, you know, Sharpie. You know, I love to have. I. I just, I'd love to have your presence around. I like Mr. B. I said, I love you to death. I say, but working, Working for a football team ain't my passion. It's not my calling.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharp]

But you're right, Ocho. I had a great relationship with Mr. B. I only had two owners, Mr. B and Art Model. I remember the first time I got on a plane with him because I was going back when he was dealing with the situation with ray back in 2000, and I said, Mr. Model. You know, he's like, don't call me mister. He said, that was. My grandfather called me Art. Call me Art. So from that point on, everybody called him Art. Nobody called him Mr. Model, but it was a. It was a great relationship and it's. It's nice. And I wish more owners were, Were accessible and, and it's, you know, I understand you got a job. I got a job. He has a job. I'm gonna do the job, my job to the best of my ability. I'm gonna be very respectful. But, you know, obviously some owners, you know, they keep the. To the, to the. And I became a good. I became a great player for the, for the Broncos Ocho. And so I understood. But, but for the most part, I think most great players do have somewhat of a cordial relationship, a friendly relationship with the owner.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I, I have a great one, obviously. I've had one, one owner my whole career, Obviously, playing for Mr. Kraft and Tom Brady and Belichick, you know, during my time there. But it was, it was so short. I mean, the relationship. There was really no extent to it.

[Shannon Sharp]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But, but Mr. Brown and that organization, what they've done for me and, and having that relationship with them, where I have an open door policy at all times, regardless of who's coaching, regards to what's going on, anything I ever need, it's open door policy. And they have, they have been very gracious in, in showing that love and, and appreciation for me and years remove where the most important thing. I am of no value to you anymore. Yep, I'm of no value. And still it's open arms and open doors. So for that I've always been. Been gracious, but I don't take advantage of it.

[Shannon Sharp]

No, no, no, no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, I go to one or two games a year.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharp]

I don't, I don't call even, Even back then, Ocho, when Mr. Boland was there, like, you need anything, you need tickets, just calls, you know, call my secretary. I had a direct line to the secretary, and they'll take care of everything. I would always, I wouldn't go through that. I would go through the ticket and then I would charge it on my card and say X, Y and Z, so forth and so on. The same thing was, was the case like, hey, I got, you know, will call Shannon Sharp and then get the tickets. That's, that's, that's how, that's how I did it. Because you, like you said, I didn't want anything. And then when the super bowl was happening, they was like, hey, you know, you want to go to the Super Bowl? I was like, yeah. I was like, new York, man, it's gonna be cold, man. I say, I said, man. I said, Mr. Bowler, I would love.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Good, huh?

[Shannon Sharp]

I said, I would love to go, Mr. B. I said, but I can't sit out There no cold, he'd say.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that's how, you know. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

So. So now I gotta call how I'm gonna be in a box by myself. So I. Rod, you want to go to the Super Bowl? Hey, all you gotta do is get here. I got tickets and everything. Croc, you want to go to Super Bowl? I got tickets and everything. Same thing in San Francisco. Had a big old suite. I had like a, a 12 person suite with just me, Rod and, and foots. I mean, me, Rod and Croc.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. And just to give, to give people in the chat, you know, a better, better perspective and better context on my relationship in Cincinnati with Mike Brown and everyone under Mike Brown and those who are in positions of power, who call the shots and have the green lights when it comes to, to structure and changing that culture there. 2021, they went to the Super Bowl. Yep, 2021 went to the Super Bowl. I don't even play no more and I'm getting the offering. Listen, we go in the super bowl. If you, if you're going to be down in la, we have a ticket for you.

[Shannon Sharp]

Did you go?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No. Remember, Remember, I was already there.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know, obviously I do all my work during the week, but you know, I leave, I leave the morning of the game. I never.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's how it used to be.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I, I go in there, do my appearances, you know, make, make my little bag so I can afford McDonald's and I get up on that. Listen, I said thank you, I appreciate it, but I'm not, I'm not going to be able to make it to the game. But I, I will be watching in full support.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm. But it's, it's, it's, it's great. I just think the Baker, you know, I mean, you, you get hurt, you know, you, sometimes you get your feelings hurt and, But I think it's rare. I don't know. Like I said, I don't know every relationship player, coach, player, but it's hard for me. I mean, I don't see a situation where I don't even know. I'm trying to think. Well, Jim Caldwell got fired, so Indianapolis Jim call. Yes. Because remember his first year, they went to the Super Bowl. The next year, Peyton got hurt, he got fired. So I don't, I don't, I don't know if he might have did, but I don't know if he can call and say anything because he got fired and Peyton got cut. So it was a situation that was terrible for, for many For. For everyone. Ocho. Ocho. Ocho. Ocho. I want to get your take. I'm just gonna sit back. I'm gonna kick my heels up. In his exit interview this week, CJ Stroud blamed the Texan stellar defense for his struggles this season, as he no longer has to be Superman on the field. Ocho, take a listen to what this young man had to say.

[CJ Stroud (clip)]

I think just the turnovers, you know, like, I haven't really been prone to turnovers in my career, especially, like, you know, the timely turnovers, you know, where, you know, I've, like, I told y' all before, I really, you know, been on. I've been on some great teams, you know, my whole career, where a lot of them were, you know, offensive droving, you know, and, like, you know, playing for Coach Day, where, you know, we're taking shots and then all these. And then, you know, like, being on this team, you know, where, you know, we're more for everywhere, you know, where it's offense, defense, and special teams. Well, you know, defense, as you know, is making a bunch of plays. So, you know, this year was a. Was a step for me where, like, I didn't have to be Superman all the time, and I'm still growing in that, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, I appreciate my teams for taking a lot of pressure, you know, off of my plate, but also, you know, they do know that I can make those plays. So, you know, I'm appreciative of that, of them having that perspective. And I feel like I've grown, you know, in that way of, like, you know, taking what's there, you know, in ways where, you know, I would have taken a shot there or just, you know, take care of the ball some other ways. But, you know, I just seen some growth into my footwork, you know, in the pocket, you know, trusting my guys, staying in the pocket, not just running around, you know, but, you know, staying strong and firm. So I think I stepped. I made a step in that area as well, but, you know, always things are improving, and I'll do that.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, I, I.

[Shannon Sharp]

This is AI. This gotta be AI. Hey, let's check and see if this AI. Cause ain't no O. Ain't no way in hell.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, which.

[Shannon Sharp]

Which part?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Which part? Which part?

[Shannon Sharp]

The whole thing is AI.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, from what I just heard, him reflecting on some of the things where he. He has room for improvement. He said the turnovers.

[Shannon Sharp]

I said the reason why is because of his defense was so great.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay? I, I, I must have missed that part.

[Shannon Sharp]

You want us to replay it for you?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he must have said that.

[Shannon Sharp]

Can we rewrap that right quick?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

At the very beginning.

[CJ Stroud (clip)]

I think just the turnovers, you know, like, I haven't really been prone to turnovers in my career, especially, like, you know, the timely turnovers, you know, where, you know, I've, like, I told y' all before, I really, you know, been on, I've been on some great teams, you know, my whole career, where a lot of them were, you know, offensive droving, you know, and, like, you know, playing for Coach Day, where, you know, we're taking shots and then all these. And then, you know, like, being on this team, you know, we're, you know, we're more full everywhere, you know, where it's offense, defense, and special teams, but, you know, defense is, you know, is making a bunch of plays. So, you know, this year was a, was a step for me where, like, I didn't have to be Superman all the time, and I'm still growing in that, you know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharp]

Take it away, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm. Maybe I'm, I'm tripping. Maybe something wrong with my goddamn ears. I mean, I'm listening to what he's saying, but maybe the way, the way, the way you're regurgitating it to me, I'm expecting to say something like that, but, I mean, from what I got from it is it's one of the few times I didn't have to be Superman this year because my defense is as great as they were.

[Shannon Sharp]

So that's why you turned the ball over?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, no, obviously, he said. I had.

[Shannon Sharp]

You heard.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You heard what he said, huh? I have room for improvement. I have to stop turning the ball over. Reflecting on some of the things that he can continue to grow on. I, I heard, I heard that part.

[Shannon Sharp]

I think the reason why he turned the ball over is because of his defense, because he knew they could get it back for him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, oh, that, hey, that, hey, that, that's, that's a little bit excessive right there, huh?

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, Joe, what you. With that defense, you take risk that you normally wouldn't take.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharp]

But, oh, what about how careful Dak Prescott has to be with the football, right? Knowing his defense can't get it back for it?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right? Yeah, okay, I see, I see what you're saying. I see you, I see you going with it. I see you going with it. I, like, I Like it look, the.

[Shannon Sharp]

Only season that he really didn't turn the ball over was his rookie season. Yeah, because his rookie season, he had five picks. The next year he had 12. Now he had five interceptions in the play, in two games in the postseason with five fumbles. Yeah, he had eight picks, but he missed three games and half another one. So are we sure he doesn't turn the ball or are we sure? Are you willing to go on a limbo choke?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I mean. I mean, we watched the game, Monk. We saw it. We saw it.

[Shannon Sharp]

We lost the game. Are you. I'm saying, are you sure he doesn't turn the ball over? Because that's not what his resume says. His resume says his rookie year. He's absolutely right. He didn't turn the ball over. But I look at his second and third year, I would. I. I mean, the numbers would disagree.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Great.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, he knows he got a lot of.

[Shannon Sharp]

Excuse me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

My bad. A heat young boy. Know we got a lot of work to do, huh? He has a lot of. A lot of work to do. And I like the fact that he can stand up in front of the camera and he can take accountability for it as well.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, Joe, you don't have to do all that talking. Just say, you know what I need to do better. Don't blame your defense for you not having to put the Superman cape on. Just defense. Hold on. Was Danielle Hunter there last year? Was Stingley there last year? Was Will Anderson Jr. There last year? Shazir 202 Petrie. I'm just. No, help me understand who on this defense that's there this year. Wasn't there last year. Yeah, I don't know what rank is there. Look and see. I want to see if. If a rank is with their last year. If Tim Settle Jr. Mario Edward Jr. I want to know because I believe those other guys that I mentioned, I believe they were there. So I want to find out what guys weren't there on that defense last year. This year that wasn't there last year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you gotta. Hey, hey, you. You thought it. You thought it was bad the way to.

[Shannon Sharp]

Wait.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The way he gave a little interview, though.

[Shannon Sharp]

Wasn'T there last year?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it.

[Shannon Sharp]

What about settle Jr. Or. Or Mario Edwards Jr.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Mario Edwin Jr.

[Shannon Sharp]

Okay, he was there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on. Mario Edwin Jr. Ain't the old. The former number one pick son, is it.

[Shannon Sharp]

Mario? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, but I'm gonna say God damn time flying.

[Shannon Sharp]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, this Mario Edwards is. And that was Mario Williams.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Williams, yeah. Okay. My bad, My bad, My bad.

[Shannon Sharp]

Ocho, if you don't have to be Superman, you shouldn't struggle because I don't need you to take unnecessary risk. I don't need you to put that cape on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharp]

You see how, you see how it doesn't. Just suppose.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharp]

You see?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

I'm thinking, well, I don't have to take. I don't have to be Superman. It should be easy. Hand the ball off, make a few plays here or there. Got a defense that can back me up, knowing if I don't turn the ball over, the likelihood of a team driving 70, 80 yards on us.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We coach not good. Yeah, we good. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

I, I, I don't, I don't get it, but I don't get.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's reflecting on the entirety of his season in a small clip, more so mentioning some of the things he can do better and some of the areas where he has worked.

[Shannon Sharp]

But what does, what does his defense having to do with him not having to be Superman? And how does that equate to him turning? I'm thinking if you don't have to be Superman, you don't have to take the unnecessary risk. Right. I mean, Josh Allen has to be Superman, and he had to be.

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[Shannon Sharp]

Guess what? He did, Ocho, he turned the ball over. If you're saying you don't have to be Superman, I'm just trying to figure out how turnovers come along with that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharp]

Because you don't have to take the risk. You don't have to put the ball in harm's way because you don't have to worry about an offense outscoring you because the likelihood of that, they scoring 28, 31 points on that defense. Not happening without pick six scooping scores overturned. Yeah, that ain't happening. Yeah, that ain't happening. I, I don't know. I, I just think the thing. Sometimes they, they, you, we, we talk too much.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Just a. In that situation, I'm just disappointed how the season turned out. There are some things that I need to work on. But don't say you struggled because of the defense was so good and you didn't have to be Superman. You only really Superman one year, Ocho. You see, it goes back to that rookie.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't, I don't think he meant it in the way, and, and the.

[Shannon Sharp]

Way you're, how am I supposed to take it, Ocho? Tell me. I want you to break it. I want you to explain it to me. If I was French fry.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, hey. I mean, I think maybe. Maybe we hearing it in two different ways. I think he. He just. Listen, I made mistakes. He made mistakes in. In the past.

[Shannon Sharp]

What does his defense have to do with that, though? Him making mistakes? That's like Ocho, man. Oh, yeah. Well, I did this because UNC made a mistake. What does my mistake have to do with you? Yeah, what does the defense being great have to do with him turning the ball over? This is. Okay, explain that to me. Yeah, him turning the ball over. What does that defense have to do with that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I have no idea. I have no idea. I just. I just. I'm just listening to the part where he said he. With. On the things that he needs to work on. That's all. That's all. I understand him mentioning the defense as. As good as they were. It shouldn't look like it did those last two games. It shouldn't have, because we said that on the show before it even played the first playoff game. If they keep the ball out of harm's way, they got a superior chance. Absolutely superior. And they should be playing this weekend if there were no turnovers, honestly.

[Shannon Sharp]

Or a 1. Just don't give up.

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[Shannon Sharp]

Ocho. Oh, so the man had. Oh, so the man had five fumbles and five picks in two games.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Now, granted, they got. They jumped on. He jumped on a couple of them in Pittsburgh, but don't you. You can't turn up. Hey, what do you have, four picks in the first half?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Thor picks in the first half. Defense, A Will Anderson Jr. Says, hey, you gave it to him. I'm gonna get it back for you. He said, I'm gonna get right back to him, though. Sometimes when things go good, you say little. When they go bad, you save and less.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Wait. He had to talk. Huh? He had to talk today. So he had to. He had to say something. You know, most of the time we complain about players not stepping up to the mic and not talking when things don't go well.

[Shannon Sharp]

Just reported how the season went and just.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Just as.

[Shannon Sharp]

And I'll be better and then leave. Your struggles. You don't mention your struggles because of the success of the defense. Who. I mean, Ocho the man been league three years. Name the time that you've heard somebody say, C.J. stroud put on that Superman cape. I've heard it with Lamar. I've heard it with Josh Allen. I've heard it with my homeboy. I've heard it with Joe Burrow. Tell me the time you've heard somebody say that about cj. I'm getting one of your cough drops. Take your time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on man. They go my dog right? Hey she.

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