Nightcap Hour 1: Ravens hit UNO REVERSE on Maxx Crosby + Trey Hendrickson SIGNS with RAVENS + Shannon DEFENDS Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point Game + Shakur Stevenson JOINS Nightcap to talk FUTURE FIGHTS

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Ravens Hit UNO REVERSE on Maxx Crosby, Trey Hendrickson Signs, Shannon Defends Bam’s 83, and Shakur Stevenson Talks Future (March 12, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap Hour 1, hosted by Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, dives into a wild week in NFL and NBA news. The hosts break down the stunning reversal of the Ravens’ trade for Maxx Crosby, analyze Trey Hendrickson’s deal with Baltimore, and passionately debate Bam Adebayo’s historic 83-point game. The episode closes with an in-depth interview with undefeated boxing champion Shakur Stevenson, who discusses his recent victory, style, and next potential mega-fight. Entertaining banter, sharp analysis, and plenty of candid takes bring together this energetic sports round-up.

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Key Segment 1: Ravens Rescind Maxx Crosby Trade (03:00–29:51)

Discussion Points

• Trade Breakdown: The announcement that the Ravens rescinded a blockbuster deal to acquire Maxx Crosby for two first-round picks, citing medical concerns discovered in Crosby’s physical.

  • Shannon Sharpe contextualizes:

    “Raiders alleged in a statement that the Ravens had backed out … It was then reported that medical concerns arose during Crosby’s physical and were a catalyst for the dissolution of the deal.” (04:00)

  • Ravens GM Eric DeCosta regrets losing Crosby, who had meniscus surgery with a long recovery; pairing him with new signee Trey Hendrickson was considered but ultimately abandoned due to Crosby’s knee prognosis.

• Ochocinco’s Reaction:

  “I've never seen anything like that… a player like Maxx Crosby, that's an impact player that makes your team exponentially better right away. … I'm confused on why they chose to rescind … What did you expect the physical to look like?” (07:46)

• Long-Term Concerns vs. Immediate Value:

  • Shannon highlights long-term cost/medical risk:

    “Maybe you looking at it because you’re looking at it long term…what happens next year and as we move on…that knee. … Eventually … you’re going to have to have knee replacement, if not one, probably both of your knees.” (11:00)

  • Ocho pushes back, willing to gamble for immediate impact:

    “I’m in the now. I’m not worried about down the road … I want Max Crosby here. … I'm taking a gamble.” (15:14)

• Comparing Crosby and Hendrickson:

  • Shannon offers an analogy:

    “What if I told you I could get you a similar house for about six to seven million dollars cheaper … the payments will be cheaper … I'm going to save you $28 million, but I’m going to get you a very similar house.” (14:05)

  • Ocho counters:

    “As a team … that was horrible on defense … how can I make a difference?” (17:02)

• Market Implications: Both see the Crosby reversal impacting his trade value. Shannon suggests the Raiders likely won't fetch two firsts anymore.

  “Crosby still could get traded…but they're not getting no first. I don’t believe they'll get a first round on it now.” (24:10)

• Would the deal hurt the Ravens’ reputation?

  • Ocho: “Absolutely not… It's still the Baltimore Ravens. … Players are going to go where they're valued.” (26:03)
  • Shannon: “I agree with you, Ocho. … Even first, when a guy coming off surgery, that was my concern.” (26:36)

Notable Quotes

• Ochocinco on risk-taking:

  “Opportunities like this to get a player that can change the direction of your franchise…don’t come around that often. … Even with the limping Crosby, he makes a difference.” (20:28)

• Shannon, on medical influence:

  “The Ravens and their medical staff have to feel comfortable enough … Steve Bisciotti is going to be cutting the check in excess of probably $100 million.” (30:00)

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Key Segment 2: Trey Hendrickson to Ravens (09:08–21:58)

Discussion Points

• Hendrickson as Plan B: Analysis on Hendrickson taking less money to join Ravens after failed Crosby trade.

  • Shannon: “He is a pure pass rusher … probably took a little less money to go to Baltimore. But I think there were some hard feelings. He was like, you had years to get this done.” (09:08)

• Relative Value: The hosts debate pass-rush styles and fit, with Ocho favoring risk for Crosby’s game-altering talent, while Shannon finds the Hendrickson deal safer and more cost-effective.

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Key Segment 3: Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point Game Debate (39:08–49:03)

Discussion Points

• Historic Feat: Bam Adebayo becomes the third player in NBA history to break 80 points. The hosts respond to fans dismissing his achievement due to the opponent (Wizards) and the number of free throws.

  • Shannon:

    “It will be something we talk about forever. Giannis says: it doesn’t matter how you got there…all that matters is that you got it…in 10, 20, 30 years, no one’s going to remember how many free throws he shot…all you remember is 83.” (41:09)

• Social Media Backlash:

  • Ocho: “Why don't we celebrate things like this? … If Kobe was here, Kobe would congratulate him. … Only three people have scored 80 points. Wilt, Kobe, and Bam.” (41:13)

• Comparison to Kobe and Wilt: Shannon and Ocho emphasize context—pace of play, opponent, and statistical quirks. Shannon is emphatic:

  “It’s 83 effing points!” (43:14)

• Stamina Required & Unlikeliness:

  • Shannon: “He’s not a guy you’d think would get 80 … To go from your high being something in the 30s to the 80s, that is crazy.” (44:37)

Notable Quotes

• Shannon on the achievement:

  “Congratulations, Bam. I didn’t think—look, because he’s so unlikely…if Dame Lillard did that, you wouldn’t think anything else…Now, Bam? That is crazy.” (49:08)

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Key Segment 4: Interview with Shakur Stevenson (49:48–79:13)

Discussion Points

• Victory Over Teofimo Lopez: Shakur explains his dominant victory.

  • Shakur: “I watched him fight probably, like, every day in training camp … when I seen him bust the same moves that I seen on camera, it just made it so much easier.” (51:22)

  • Ocho: “Shakur did his homework, and that’s why the fight looked the way it did.” (50:20)

• Defense Against ‘Boring’ Label:

  • Shannon says: “His style … I can’t pay money, I want to see a little bit more action.” (51:00)
  • Shakur: “My style is not boring. My style is just the fact that I make it easy. Like, guys can’t do nothing with me.” (52:39)
  • Ocho: “Us purists … enjoy watching how Shakur is always two steps ahead.” (53:29)

• Sanctioning Fees & Titles:

  • Shakur: “If you got a belt … you gotta pay X amount of dollars … I don’t know what they do with the money.” (54:17)

• Future Opponents and Weight Classes:

  • Shakur discusses fighting at 135 and 140, open to the best, including Tank Davis or Lamont Roach—but not Keyshawn Davis (“We be smart all the time. We…good work, but…” (53:16))
  • Open to fan suggestions: “We could go by the polling…whoever they say is the best, I’ll fight them.” (55:58)
  • Willing to go to 147 for the right fight—rehydration clause would apply.

• Rehydration Clause Discussion:

  • Shakur clarifies: “I only want the clause if I go up to 147, but I don’t plan on going up. … We can fight at 140.” (60:00)
  • His take: “You only get 10 pounds.” (62:26)

• Boxing Matchups and Banter:

  • Fun rivalry between hosts and Shakur—Ocho jokes about stepping in the ring (“I'll piece you up. Don’t play with me, man.” (63:31))

• Clarissa Shields vs. Rolly Debate:

  • Shakur supports Shields’ belief, but recognizes biological realities. Humorous, cerebral back-and-forth:

    “She’s not the same woman as every other woman.” (67:44)

• Shannon on Knockout Power and Entertainment:

  “Tim Duncan was…great. Would you say he was exciting? ... Two things can be true. You can be great and I want to see some action.” (71:39)

Notable Quotes

• Shakur on criticism:

  “Anybody that pays attention to the sport of boxing and love the sport of boxing, they gonna love my [style].” (53:21)

• On hypothetical $60 million deal:

  “Not that I know it, but if they gonna give me $60 million, call my phone already.” (64:49)

• On what’s next:

  “We looking over the scenery … my next opponent, I’m gonna try to make sure it’s an opponent that my fans and the fans that dislike me want to fight.” (55:12)

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Notable Moments

• House Analogy for Trades (Shannon, 14:05)
• Ochocinco: “I’m financially celibate” as he debates risk-taking (22:00)
• Live Boxing Banter: Ocho and Shakur joking about sparring (63:25–64:10)
• Social Media & Fan Backlash: Both hosts on NBA and boxing fan reactions (44:56, 72:00)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:00 – Breakdown of Ravens’ reversal in Maxx Crosby trade
• 07:46 – Ochocinco’s incredulity
• 14:05 – House analogy for Hendrickson/Crosby comparison
• 21:58 – Shift toward Bam’s 83-point game
• 41:13 – Reactions to Bam’s achievement and legacy discussion
• 49:48 – Shakur Stevenson joins the show
• 53:29 – “Boring” style debate and art of boxing
• 62:26 – Rehydration clause limits
• 64:49 – Clarifying rumors of a massive contract: “Call my phone already!”
• 71:39 – Entertainment vs. greatness in sports

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Final Thoughts

The episode blends sharp football insight with punchy, often hilarious banter, especially as Ochocinco and Shannon go toe-to-toe on risk in team building and debating fan perspectives in the NBA and boxing. Shakur Stevenson impresses with his humility and candidness about his craft and his future, while the hosts provide both fan and expert angles on how legacies are made—or denied—in modern sports.

A must-hear episode for fans of candid locker-room conversation, front-office analysis, and the sweet science’s top practitioners.

Transcript

[Ocho]

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DaCosta added that losing Senator Tyler Lindenbaum to the Raiders, the Ravens began envisioning a possibility of pairing Crosby with Henderson, excuse me, with Hendricks, whom the team signed today. But Crosby's medical outlook prevented the possibility from materializing. Jane Slater reported that the Ravens consider renegotiating the Crosby trade to account for the team's discomfort with the edge rushes prognosis. Ultimately, however, the team opted to withdraw from the deal entirely. Oh, we don't normally see this. Now the Ravens have been in a situation where if I remember correctly, the Brock Marion, they really liked him but they had a Yoda issue. Michael Brockers had a knee issue and they rescinded. They rescinded the the deal that was on the table. But you're talking about a Max Crosby. He did have a meniscus injury. Reports are that he had been dealing with this all year. This happened and started bothering in the off season. He played through it. He, he ended up having surgery and the type of surgery that he has, that's somewhere between a three and a six months month recovery time and I don't know if it's a lateral meniscus or medial meniscus but that is a long because he had it torn and I guess he had it repaired. If what the reports are true. That's a big timetable but that puts him on to be recovered probably around June. Ojo training camp starts about six weeks later in late July. So, so who knows, Like I said, could be early June, could be late June, but still he would have three weeks and I'm almost sure he'd be a Limited participant. And you kind of build him up to get him ready to go come September. When you heard that the trade for Max Crosby had been rescinded, what did you think? And you like, okay, what's going on?

[Ocho]

I've never seen anything like that. I've never seen anything like that. Especially a player like Mac Crosby. That's an impact player that makes your team exponentially better right away. Just his presence alone and the fact that he rescinded. I didn't know what was going on. The first thing that, that, that dawned on me, well, maybe he failed his physical. Obviously, that. That's the only thing I could think of because I know a player, a player himself wouldn't say, you know what, I don't want to be here. And he lets. The team knows. He doesn't. He. He. He rather wishes not to. Not to be here. But once that did happen, I thought about it. Well, understanding that he, they knew he had a knee issue. He. They knew about the, the knee surgery. Knew about the knee surgery. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm confused. What did you, what did you expect the physical to look like? Obviously he's, he's in rehab. Obviously he's recovering. He would probably be ready in time for football season. Two play and the fact that he played on it and had 10 plus sacks or may maybe 10 sacks this season and he was forced to sit out the last, the last two games of the season, I think he would be okay. He would recover. So I'm confused on why they chose to do this, why they chose to rescind. To rescind him being there, it makes no sense to me. And I like the fact that they were going to try to pair Hendrickson and Crosby together. Hell, they would have been hell on wheels. They were able to pull that off.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I think if you really look at it, Henderson might be a better pure pass rusher. But. But overall, I think because Crosby plays the run so much better than Hendrickson, I think he gives them a dynamic and you know, you got to have somebody that can set the edge and Max Crosby can set the edge, but he could also become very disruptive. Pressure your quarterback and get to your quarterback. Hendrickson, we've seen over the last couple of years in which he wasn't injured. You see the numbers that he's put up. He is a pure pass rusher. Drafted by the New Orleans Saints and ended up going to. Became a free agency and goes to Cincinnati and played extremely well. Reports are that he probably took a little Less money to go to Baltimore. But I think there were some hard feelings. He was like, you had years to get this done. Now all of a sudden you want me because I could potentially be going to a division rival. Ocho, look, and I agree with you at everything that you said, they knew he had surgery. And maybe you looking at it because you're looking at it long term because you got Max Cross, but I think you owe him one hundred and something million dollars on that contract. Now, if I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong in chat. Forgive me if I'm misspeaking. I think this is the only year in which he's had, he has guaranteed money on the contract. So now I'm looking at Nocho and he's only 29. Okay, yes, he had surgery on the knee, but what doctors can see is that what you, to the naked untrained eye, can't see is degeneration. That it looks good this year, but what happens next year? And as we move on now you're talking about somebody that dealing with degeneration and the knee. So I got a very arthritic right knee, same thing with the left knee. And I got basically bone on bone on the lateral side, which is the outside. And I'm damn near bone on bone on the inside, which is the medial meniscus. And what has happened. As I've gotten older, stuff start to happen. This is why. And you see it with a lot of old people Ocho that didn't play sports. Your body just get older and cartilage starts to dissipate and you get that bone on bone. I'm fortunate enough to be in a situation where I can afford, you know, great medical care and I don't have to all this hang ups. I can go, okay, what's going on now? Insurance company wouldn't take care of whatever I had going on, so I had to pay for my own mri, no problem. And then I go to one doctor, he says, okay, you can do X, Y and Z. I go, come to the doctor out here. I'm at curland job and go to the doctor that did my hips. And he looks at it like, well, she had to let me explain it to you. Is it X, Y and Z so forth and so on. But you know, you got degeneration, degenerative knees, and eventually, hey, I'm not telling you anything that you didn't already know. You're going to have to have knee replacement, if not one, probably both of your knees. But the right knee that I'm Looking at now you're gonna have to. So I think that's what the Ravens doctors are looking at. That okay. Yeah, this healing up properly, but we see some degeneration in, in this knee, and that's never good because, you know, to be on the hook for a need, that could be just me speculating. I haven't talked to anybody, but I'm sitting as a doctor. You probably look at as Ravens. Like, hold on now. In order for this to make sense to us. Oo, because you got to realize what we giving up. We're giving up the number 14 pick this year and who knows what that pick. You hope that if the trade would have gone through, we somewhere 32, ideally be 32 if we give up the 32 pick next year. You know what that mean? Oo we won Super Bowl. Most definitely 31. That means we were in the Super Bowl.

[Ocho]

Honestly.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

29, 30. 29, 30. Oo we in the championship.

[Ocho]

This what I'm thinking about. You think about a player that's 29 years old. 29 years old, a player like Matt Crosby, that's a disruptor. He's been in the NFL for a few years, and if you give, if you take an MRI, if you do an MI of all the players that have eight, nine or 10, 10 years or more, I'm sure there's something alarming on everybody's mri. If you look at it, it. It always is. Nobody is 100% healthy. Everyone has issues, whatever it may be. I just know the Matt Crosby that we saw that was on the field last year with the Las Vegas Raiders was an impact player and he made a difference every time he was out there. Even doing a losing effort, he was still a disruptor. He still was able to set the edge. He was still able to disrupt, disrupt the past depending on who they were playing. It really didn't matter. No one can stop him. You can only hope to contain a player like Max. So to let him go because of what you see, you know, in an mri, when he was already hurt last year and he's recovering, he has rehab and you doctors have the resources to get him as healthy as possible. And you know what you get with a almost healthy or even 90 or 95% Mac Crosby, and you let him go and understanding what he can do for your team and making your team exponentially better, you know, especially if you pair him with Henderson. I'm like, I, I don't. I, I don't, I don't, I don't see. Listen, it's A business decision on their part. I just understand, as great as he is, even with a, a messed up knee, where he's going to recover, where he's going to rehab, there's no way I, I sit him back and it, but obviously I listen, I don't own, I don't own the goddamn Ravens. It ain't my decision.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You ain't got 100 plus billion dollars. But, but here's the thing, Ocho. What if I told you you can get a very similar player. Hold up. And this is what they do. Ocho. What if I told you I could get you a similar house for about six to seven million dollars cheaper. The payments will be cheaper. Monthly, pretty much the same house, maybe a 500 square foot different. But I'm it. But, but it's going to be probably over the course of it, I probably say you're about $28 million, but I'm gonna get you a very similar house right there. A two acre lot, nice size infinity pool, probably about 12,000 square feet, seven baths, full baths, you know, two half baths, you know, eight bedrooms, gorgeous. A theater. If I told you I can get you a similar house you, to the one that you really love, but I'm gonna save you $28 million, would you be interested? And, and, and you're not gonna have to give up those two first round picks, would you? Could I.

[Ocho]

You could, you could, you could. But I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in the now right now. I'm in the now. I'm not, I'm not worried about down, down the road. I'm trying to, if I'm playing poker, I'm putting all my cars on the table. I'm putting all the cars on the table and I'm trusting my, I'm trusting my doctors to an extent because I

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

want Max here, You got to.

[Ocho]

I want Max Crosby here. We got. Goddamn. We got Trey Henderson in the building. We negotiated this contract. We have Max in the building. I'm taking all my cards and I'm putting on the table I'm out, I'm out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But here's the thing.

[Ocho]

I'm taking a gamble. I'm taking a gamble.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I, I'm not taking a gamble with two first round picks. If I can get them at a lower rate, I, I would, I can. I talk about two. I'm not taking you talking about two first round picks.

[Ocho]

You don't know what you're getting. There's no, there's no telling them two first round picks didn't Come in to make any goddamn difference.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But what if his knee doesn't hold up this year? What if that knee is bad and then I'm stuck? What if that knee is like Dante C. Pepper's knee? Then what do I do?

[Ocho]

How did he look before they forced him?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How did Dante C. We not talk

[Ocho]

about Dante C. We talking about Max Crosby, the one that played all season.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You gotta base it on the medicals.

[Ocho]

Ooh, he was hurt all season long. He gave you 10 sacks. What are we talking about?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, he didn't. He gave.

[Ocho]

They made him sit out the last two games.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If you go back and look at it, look at the numbers. Trey Henderson vs Max Crosby, 2019 to where they are now. Who has more sacks? Who has a high pressure rate?

[Ocho]

I don't have in front of me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I can get Trey Hendrickson. I can get Trey Hendrickson for about five to seven million dollars a year cheaper. And I don't have to give up. Is so I can get oo. I can get you in this house, and you don't have to put a down pay.

[Ocho]

I understand what you're saying.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Un.

[Ocho]

But. I understand what you're saying, but I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it from a different standpoint. As a team, as an organization. As a team at an organization that continues to miss in the first round. As a team, in the organization that was horrible on defense last year, especially at the beginning of the season. How our. How bad our backing is or was. Know, constantly getting beat. How can I make a difference?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm.

[Ocho]

I'm gambling. This is. This what. This is what it's all about.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, but you make it seem like Trey Henderson. You make it seem like Trey Henderson is a bum. The man had 35 sacks.

[Ocho]

I'm not calling him a bum. You know I wouldn't do that. I'm just saying he had two.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But I'm saying. You know, I'm not saying you are, but I'm saying you making it seem like Max Crosby is just exponentially. Hold on. This is not a Miles Garrett situation. If you talking about Miles Garrett. Okay, we having a conversation because that's a two time defensive player of the year and a guy that has, like 121 sacks in, like eight.

[Ocho]

But you mean to tell. You mean to tell me I get. I get the best of both worlds. I get the best of both worlds. Now, on. On one hand, I have a player who's injured, who just had surgery, but I understand what I get based off the small Sample size of how I seen him in Las Vegas, huh? And what he's done on an injured knee. I'm trusting in the, I'm trusting the process, I'm trusting the doctors, I'm trusting

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

rehab, I'm trusting all your chance to trust who doctor. So why do you have the, why do you have those doctors on payroll if you're not going to trust them? To properly evaluate players that are coming in that you're going to have to spend a hundred plus million dollars and give up. First round pick this year, which is number 14 and next year's fourth rounder, a first rounder I can understand. If it's 32, no problem. That means he won the Super Bowl. But, but, and I get it, Drew Brees had a very similar situation. Miami Dolphins flunked his shoulder on the physical. He goes to New Orleans and we see what happen.

[Ocho]

Now the same thing could happen and it could same thing can happen. You know what? And, and, and, and for them causing this mess. This, this is what I'm hoping.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh?

[Ocho]

This is what I'm hoping. I'm not a crystal ball, but most of the time since we've been on this show, I, you know, sometimes I've been right. I've been right 98, 98% of the time when I talk about players going certain places and it's come to fruition. You know what would be a funny thing that the bank could do? You know would be a funny thing that the bank could do? The bank take. They can go get Max Crobby. They could take that chance. They can trust in our doctors, they can trust in the rehab process and hoping he's back and knowing even with a, a non healthy Matt Crosby. We saw what he did last year, we saw what he did last year where the Raiders forced him to sit those last two games out. I would love for it to happen. I would love for it to happen.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But the thing is, now you're saying I can get Max Crosby. I don't have a problem. I have a problem. If the knee is as bad as the Ravens doctor think it is. We don't know. I'm an untrained eye, you're an untrained eye. But if it's as bad as the doctors and the Ravens believe it is, two first round picks is off the table now. Now he goes somewhere else and I have to give up a third round pick or a second and a fifth round pick. Now that's a deal. But two first round picks and got to pay him $33 million a year. Come on.

[Ocho]

O. I hear you, un. I hear you un. But, but, but, but I, I'm, I'm willing. I'm willing to take the chance. I'm willing just like owners do all the time, they take chance.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, you not going to be. No, you gonna get.

[Ocho]

But you have to think about it, though. Hey, Chat, stay with me real quick. You have to think opportunities like this to get a player that can change the direction of your franchise, especially defensively, don't come around that often. He don't come around that often. Even with the limping Crosby, he makes a difference. We have to understand who we talking about now. We're not just talking about just a guy. We ain't talking about a Jag.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no. He's the top five.

[Ocho]

So that's, that's why, that's why I would be a little hesitant. Okay. We got a little hiccup. Okay. We understand. He had surgery, you know, and I, I, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure how I understand how you feel on it. I'm curious. I don't have my chat up. I'm curious to see what the chat thinks about it, but I, I would take that chance.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think they go, I think they're back and forth. Ocho. Now, it could, it could be a total situation like this buys remorse. Like, damn, we gave up two first round picks. Number 14 pick this year. We don't know what 27 is going to be. We're going to have to pay him somewhere. 32, 33, $34 million a year and the knee situation. Or we can go get Trey Hendrickson, play him, pay him 5 to 7 million dollars cheaper per year and not give up anything. Oh, I can get you in this house. No down payment.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I'm gonna save you $28 million. So, hey, and the thing is, you know, a house, I'm saving you $28 million and you don't have to put no money down.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I, I, I'm.

[Ocho]

Hey, you play poker? I'm not, I'm not a gambler, you know, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm cheap. I'm financially celibate. I'm financially celibate. But in this situation, there's certain situations at the gm, as an owner, understanding how bad I was, understanding where my weaknesses are, especially defensively, and it all started, we talked about it all season goddamn long. Not only was the back end bad, hell, they couldn't Get. They couldn't get no goddamn press on nobody. This is one where I'm folding. If I got a hand, I'm folding based on who the player is. Regardless of what?

[Shakur Stevenson]

That, that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, do you mean the pill? But you're gonna play the hand. Fold means you throw your cards back. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm throwing my cars in on Crosby. He. He coming.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on.

[Ocho]

Oh, come on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, if you can't throw your cards in, you throw your cards in. Oh, oh. So in other words, you said you

[Ocho]

shoving, you going, yeah, I'm going all in with surgery. Whatever. Forget. Listen, okay, if the Costa. Is that his name dacosta?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I would listen to what the doctors say. Okay?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What?

[Ocho]

This is what you see. Okay. You know what? I'm taking a chance on him anyway. I'm taking a chance on the way.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm not. I'm not so. Because anytime, you know, you start getting $100 million, you know, you got to go to the owner with that. So the. He's gonna ask, he's gonna come in there, he's gonna want to sit down with. With Dr. Curl. I know Leanne Curl. She was, she was the team doctor. She was there when I was there bringing her in. What do you think, doc? Look, I understand the player that he is, but it's risky.

[Ocho]

I. I like, I like. Hey, I'm taking that risk. We ain't talking about just anybody. We talk about a top five player at his position. That can change. Can you imagine Henderson on one side, Crosby on the other?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like, before you go any further, Diana receded reported as part of the proposed trades for Max Crosby, the Ravens were also prepared to sign him to a revised contract that would have paid him near the top of past Russia's market. Max agent C.J. lA Boy responded with two words, Fake news. So everybody keeps saying that the. The goal, the objective was to sign Crosby and Hendrickson. Max Crosby's agent said basically that's not true. Crosby still could get traded, but he ain't. They not getting no first round on it. They're not getting no first. I don't believe they'll get a first round on it now. OO now, because here's the thing with the Raiders. The Raiders spent quarter of a billion dollars bringing it. Excuse me, new players because they thought they would have Crosby number off the books. Yeah. Now the question is, do you rehab him, keep him, or do you try. Do you try to move him on you? I don't. I me personally, you're definitely not getting two. First, I Don't believe you can get a first, but maybe a second and a fifth.

[Ocho]

Second. Second and a third. Second and third. Second and third. Hey, hey, Mr. Brown. Mike Brown. I know we got a lot. I know we got a lot of Bangle fans in the chat. Hey, he coming to Cincinnati, huh? He could he coming to Cincinnati. Why not? Why not make it make sense. And you know what I like? I like the fact that the Ravens did this. I like the fact that the Ravens played. Played this game. You know, so basically they telling you how they feel about you. Anyway, so what better. What better message? What better message?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You go to the right, go to a division rival, and then not only

[Ocho]

that, now you got a chip on the shoulder. Now you done pissed him off, huh? Oh, so that's how y' all feel? Okay, I'mma show you. I'm gonna show you. And how can he get him back? He can get him back by his play on the field. He can get.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that.

[Ocho]

That's the type of player he is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Do you think this hurts Baltimore's reputation around the league to have a deal in place? Because the deal is not consummated until the player now he has to pass that team that's trading for him. Doctors, physical, they have to be okay with it. Do you think this hurts B. The Ravens reputation? Because prior to this, for the most part, the rep. The Ravens reputation has been. Yes, perfect. Pristine. No, absolutely not.

[Ocho]

Absolutely not. It's still the Baltimore Ravens. It's still a. It's still they. They still are who they are. When it comes to business, when it comes to money, players are going to go where they're wanted. Players are going to go where they're valued. If money talks, they will be there. Now for, for, for. For us, the talking heads and, and those on the outside looking in, maybe we might feel this situation might ruin their reputation. But when it comes to business, when it comes to money and when it comes to, it's time to get paid and the team is willing to pay you, and if it happened to be the Baltimore Ravens and Mr. DaCosta and whoever else they going.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right. I agree with you, Ocho. I just think the thing is it became. You look at it like, damn, two first rounders. I don't think anybody else had that kind of number. You hear Dallas had a first and a second. You hear some teams have some other picks, but nobody a first. Two first and, but still, even, even, even first, when a guy coming off surgery, See, that's what. And I was telling you last year, About Kirk Cousins. I said, ocho, you giving up $180 million guaranteed for a guy that's coming off Achilles, a quarterback that he wasn't mobile to begin with, and you draft the court and exacerbate the matter. You take a quarterback with the number 8th overall pick, and so that's what that was. My concern is that a guy that's come. If max Crosby was 100% healthy, Ocho, he had no surgeries. I think two ones is fine. But coming off the surgery, I'm a little more apprehensive than that. I would be had he not been coming off that surgery. I know sometimes you gotta roll. You gotta roll the dice. New Orleans was willing to roll the dice, but here the difference is with Drew Brees. Drew Brees didn't cost you any compensation. And basically it was a deal worth $10 million. Yeah, we're talking about a deal worth north of 100 million in two first round picks.

[Ocho]

I understand it. I know what you feel. But those for those two first round picks, they ain't coming in making that kind of difference like Max. They ain't gonna make that kind of noise if you get Mac Crosby at their healthy. I, I, I just know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So if, look, he still could be dealt.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, he gonna be, he's gonna be

[Ocho]

there, you know, right there. He gonna be at Covington airport. I'm gonna pick him up. Don't worry about it. Yeah, I'm gonna pick him up. Don't worry about it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Which would be, it'd be very interesting. I'll show you. I mean, that could happen. But what if he goes to the Browns with Miles Gay?

[Ocho]

Oh, hell no. Hey, hey, come on, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, come on, man.

[Ocho]

Come on. Hey, hey, don't do that. Don't, hey, don't, don't, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Hey, just the thought of that, that's, that's nasty work. That's nasty work.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Look, I. Would I be surprised the Patriots get involved? Would I be surprised if the Eagles get involved? Is there a situation where the Bears could become involved? Anybody that think they're close, if they are past Russia away, I'm like, okay, we know two firsts are off the table. I'm not so sure a first is on the table. How do we get a deal done with how do we get a deal done between you and I with Max for Max Crosby? Ocho, you say you'd be willing to give up a two and a three. Okay, maybe a two and a Three this year and a and a four or a fifth according to how he plays. The fifth goes to a fourth if he gets double digit sacks. X, Y and Z. But don't be surprised if somebody you like. Ah, man, how they let the Eagles get this, man, how they let the Patriots get this, man.

[Ocho]

I mean in the.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because I saw the Patriots, they let Anthony, Anthony Jennings go. Anthony Jennings go. Good pass. Russia solid pass rushing, not great, but solid. Set the edge. You know a. The one thing that Patriots linebackers can do is set the edge. They're big guys. Set the edge great against the run and pressure a little bit. So now you get him and you get Chase on and you get Milton Williams got something or you pair him with. With the Bears, you, you got something. So it, it hey, Detroit because you, you hear somebody was looking at, I think was it the Patriots or the Eagles was looking at Grenad from the Minnesota Vikings. He look, you can never have enough pass rushers. That's one thing you can never have. Just like pass catcher. You can't have enough of them. They're hard to come by. That is an art form. So Max, like he said, he. Dr. Neil Elatroge Curling Joe performed the surgery. He says he's tracking quite well, but at the end of the day, I don't think he's. That's what he's supposed to say. I think, you know, everybody's saying the agent said what he's supposed to say. The doctor that performed the surgery said what he's supposed to say. But at the end of the day, the Ravens and their medical staff have to feel comfortable enough when they go to Steve Botti because Steve Bashi is going to be cutting the check in excess of probably $100 million. 33 plus million dollars this year is guaranteed. No guaranteed money. On the Dallas Cowboy head team trainer Daniel Cooper was instrumental in the Ravens backing out of the trade. Cooper, who's a knee specialist, guess what, Ocho. He did the Patrick Mahomes surgery. Normally he does surgery that's really, really complicated. The Patrick Mahomes surgery. You remember Jalen Smith? He signed up on the. Jalen Smith.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Malik Neighbors. He reviewed Crosby's recent niche surgery MRI and deemed it too risky. Oh, man, now you're talking about, you talk about. Because here's the thing. When you know, when you like the kind of money that these teams have, they're sending you to the best of the best. Whatever. What the spine got a head guy, the foot got a knee got a back Whatever it is, you go into the best, you ain't going to. They. If you got something going on, they can't figure it out. They send your ass to John Hopkins, they sending your ass to the Mayo Clinic. They sending you to MD Anderson, they sending you to the Cleveland Clinic. They sending you to the best of the best. And. And it's like, that's why they command. That's why they get the big bucks. That's why they get the big bucks and most of the guys. You go into the curling job office, and you look up there, them jerseys on the wall, you see Aaron Donald, you see Clayton Kershaw, you see Verlander, you see Cooper cup, and you see if it's somebody. Russell Westbrook, you see those jerseys on the wall? Thanks, Doc. Gave me my career back, got my life back. You understand why I got you?

[Ocho]

I just. Hey, I see them doctors. They. Man, you know, see, man, I'm. I'm hot, boy. I'm hot. I'm. I'm hot. I'm hot.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But now y'. All. Now you guys might be in place.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I just don't like that you know how to. Doctors. To me, it. It almost seems like, you know, not other doctors from other teams are speaking out about it and. And speaking about the knee and like, it's decreasing his value and what he can get and what his worth is. I hate that. I don't like the fact that they're diminishing. You know, this young fellow who had re. Who had rehab, who had surgery and is trying to do everything he can to get himself back into the playing shape and playing form, and now we got all these doctors, and I just.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's what they do, Ocho. I mean, teams like, if you got a back injury, more times than not, Dr. Watkins is going to do it to do the surgery. If you got foot problems, you go into the guy Anderson, I think is in Charlotte. Hey, they got. They pay these guys. They put these guys on. On retainer, and they pay these guys a lot of money. You mess up, they're gonna fire your ass. They will fire you. There's a reason why.

[Ocho]

Dr. Andrews, you see what happened with the Dolphins, right? With Drew Brees. Now, this can be the same thing. They say, oh, no. They said, stay away from Drew. They. And look what he turned out to be. This. Could. This. Could. This could possibly be. I. I'm. I'm just saying I understand what the doctors are saying. I understand. These doctors know they get paid the big bucks. Everybody heals differently. Now, what you see might not be the way or the outcome in which you think based on what you see as a doctor, it might not affect them ever again.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Again, Mike. Max Crosby tweeted. Everything happens for a reason. Believe nothing you hear and half of what you see. I'm a Raider. I'm back Run that is. Damn me personally. Oo. I think there's a greater chance he's on some other roster. Eagles, Bengals, the Patriots, Chicago. I think there's a greater chance he's on run of those roster as a. As opposed to State. Now. He could, he could, he could.

[Ocho]

I'mma tell you what my grandma used to tell me long time ago. When you speak, you got to understand that the tongue is powerful and you got to speak things into existence.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Power in the tongue, you know, and.

[Ocho]

And today, you know, oh, you finish.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He tried to speak. He tried to speak.

[Ocho]

Amen. But by the powers invested in me, I'm. I'm hoping and praying that. That brother Cosby, I. Hell, he might be watching the show. Come on down here to Cincinnati, man. We. We. We gonna take good care of you, huh? Hell, you can have my goddamn knees. I don't need them no more.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on, brother Crosby, That's. That's what you.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah. Yes, sir. He got. He got a chance.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What, what if. What if Cleveland jump in on it?

[Ocho]

Nah, that ain't gonna happen. They got, they got brother Miles. They got, they got Brother Miles.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Just imagine him and Miles on what he on one side.

[Ocho]

They have too many pieces they need to pay. On the offensive side of the ball, they don't need to be. They don't need to worry about nothing else.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Defense, it seemed like they go into the draft because they damn sure haven't done a whole lot. Yeah,

[Ocho]

it's quiet over there. It's quiet over there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now, it could be a situation where I'm thinking, Philly. Hey, man. Hey, Patriots. What y' all want? What y' all gonna give us? AJ the reports are there holding study sturdy on. On a first round pick for eight.

[Ocho]

I mean, I don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't see what doesn't seem to be. No one's biting on that.

[Ocho]

How you not gonna bite on it? I mean, I'm. We. We know what he is. We know what he can do. We know what he is. We know what he can do. Not too long ago, he was just the top five receiver in the NFL based on the production. Now, the production wasn't the same. We know why the production wasn't the same. That's neither Here nor there. We don't need to get into that. We have a discourse on that. You know, first round pick for A.J.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

brown.

[Ocho]

What do we talk about? Makes us that much better. But hell, Romeo Dobbs. Romeo Dobbs went to the. Went to the Patriots.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The Patriots, Yes. I think the thing is, look, it seemed like Cleveland's loading up on Lyman, and I know they were loaded. They got. They got, yes, loafing Elkin, Jenkins. I think they got another guy from Green Bay. That seems to be what they're doing. Ocho. They haven't really gotten the skill position players we know in. Joku's leaving. Um, and. And we feel that they need. Look, they got Harold Fanning, who had a fabulous rookie season. I think they need some help. I think they need some receiver help. I think they need a stud receiver. Now, I don't know if AJ Wants to go there, but that would be a great place. You go get targets. They might be inconsistent because until Shador grows and matures into that position or Andrew Barrett said that, look, we're going to put this thing up. And it might be between Shador and. And Watson, Deshaun Watson, I don't know. But dealing with Crosby, I, I think I. I see both sides of the prism. I see what you're seeing. You said, hey, he been so good, man. Hey, I. I'm willing to shove all in. I'm gonna go all in. I understand the risk that are. That is involved, but I'm willing to absorb those risks to get a player of Max Crosby. I also understand the Ravens said, man, this is an awful lot of money and we gotta give up two first round picks for a player that our team staff, our medical staff is saying has a degenerative knee. I see both sides of the equation. I'm glad. I'm glad. See, I want easy decisions. I want. I want. I want LeBron James coming out. Yep, I got him. I want. I want Shaq coming out. Yep, I got him. I want Tim Duncan coming out. Yep, I got him. I want it easy. Oo, man, you know what? Matthew Stafford coming out. I got Stafford. I got it away. I wouldn't even like that, O Joe. I don't want to have like. Damn,

[Ocho]

that's a. That's a part of the game. That's right. That's right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jamar. Jamarcus Russell or. Or Calvin Johnson. I wanted Peyton Manning or. Or Ryan Lee. I don't want it like that. I want to slam dunk.

[Ocho]

It's never like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't want. Hey, oh, Yo, I want those. I already want a free throw. I want a slam dunk. I want Shaq. I want Duncan, I want LeBron. I want Stafford, I want Elway. I want you. I want it easy. And. But this, that's why you make the big bucks. I mean, everybody talking about, oh, it's easy, it's easy. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Oh, bam. Historic 83.9 against the wizard last night presented fans with a choice of force aside. Look, you had to pick a side. You celebrated or you audited. Many are discrediting it because the opponent, the Wizards, are the second worst in the East. Others are discrediting it because the Heat had filed late in the fourth quarter to help extend the game. Kobe took 46 shots in his legendary game, three more than Bam. And made 18 or 20 free throws. Bam. Took 46 free throws to Kobe's 20. Bam. Pierce came to his defense. Katie said, I looked at the stat sheet, it was pretty crazy. But 40 shots, 40 free throws, 23s, that takes a lot of stamina, man. Huge accomplishment. It will be something we talk about forever. Yanis says it doesn't matter how you got there. All that matters is that you got it. Look like in 10, 20, 30 years from now, no one's going to remember how many free throws he shot. I don't think anyone remember how many shots Kobe shot or how many free throws he made or how many threes. All you remember is 83. Toronto Raptors record. When Kobe broke his record, they were 14 and 26 at the time. On January 22, 2006, the 12th worst in the E. There was 12th in the East, 4th worst. It was 12th in the East, 14, 4th worst in the East. So what you thinking, Ocho? Because a lot of people, everybody talking about, man, out of respect for Kobe, he should have stopped it for 81. Y' all know, the way y' all talk about Kobe, is that what.

[Ocho]

You know what? I'm glad you just said that. The first thing, the first thing when I, when I watched Twitter, when I seen some of the stuff on Instagram, is if Kobe was here, Kobe would congratulate him. Kobe would be happy for him. And all the people, all the people taking up for. For Kobe or. Or doing exactly what he wouldn't do. So I understand. We are Kobe fans. We love him. The fact that he had 81 point game, but only three people have scored 80 points. Wilt Kobe and Bam. And Kobe would have been happy for him. We know how he is. He celebrated everybody, especially when they hit A milestone of this magnitude, regardless of how you got it, it's still 83 points. It's the way three points. And some people. And this is one one of the few times I don't understand why don't. Why. Why don't we celebrate things like this? I'm not.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Kobe fans are unbearable.

[Ocho]

That too. I'm not much of a basketball fan.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's not the record. When Kobe scored 81. That. The. The record is 100. So somebody needs to score 101 or more points to have the record. And 81 is not the record. I don't get it. Oo it's like anything. Sometimes people break records and it takes some more games. Like when O.J. simpson broke the record, he broke the record in 14 games. Eric Dickinson broke the record in 16 games. Somebody's going to come along. If they break the record, it's going to take 17 games. So whatever record happens moving forward. And this is what they try to do to Miles. They like, well, he did it in 17 games. Is the NFL record. Sack record. That is the record. But this notion. And I saw when they announced it in. In the fan, in the. In the Crip, they were booing. Why?

[Ocho]

Yeah, why?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't care if. Yes. See this. Kobe had a chance because there are games that Kobe had 60 plus and he came out in the third quarter. I like Spo. Spo say the way he had it going, I wasn't even thinking about taking him out. I And, and I instructed. I instructed the team, let's see how many we can get him. It happens. Oo you having a good game? The.

[Ocho]

The.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The game T had that was on Jerry Rice's day. 20 catches, Brandon Marshall, 21 catches. Hey, Josh McDaniel says, hey, we gonna lose this game, but we gonna get you the record. I don't have a problem with it, Guy. Come on, man, we gotta stop this, man. It's 83 effing points.

[Shakur Stevenson]

80.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I get it. That Bam is probably the unlikeliest guy. If you'd have thought somebody will get it, you say Luca, you say Donovan Mitchell, you say Dame Lillard, you saying somebody like that, that's going to make 10, 12, 15 threes. You not thinking no Bam out of bio. Bam. I don't even think Bam is averaging 20 points. If you go back and look at the guys that got those kind of numbers that all those guys at high 20s, even 30s, who. Luca's been in the 30s, James. Dave Lillard has averaged 30. Kobe averaged 35. So when you see will average 50 in a game, 44 in a game, 38 in the game. So if somebody like that, we're. I think it's because he's so unlikely to have done something like this. He does, I mean, and you look at him, he's not, he's never. I don't even know if he's ever scored 50 in a game. I don't even know if he's ever scored 50, 40 in a game. To go from your high being something in the 30s to all the way to 80s, that is crazy.

[Ocho]

It was dope to me. It was dope to see. I didn't, I didn't believe the stat line when I first saw it. I, I thought, I thought it was, thought it was AI. You know, when I saw the 80.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And then I, I saw go across the, the ticker on espn, I was like, oh man, that's dope. That's. That, that is dope. And I, I was happy. I was hyped. And then I go on Twitter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I'm like, well, God damn. People writing think pieces and, and defending Kobe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

This, this 83 is different. This 83 is different than Kobe's 81. Kobe did, bro. It's 83. It's 80 points. And I mean, I think the thing is Oo is somebody that they, they got a career high of 75 yards and all of a sudden they have a 300 yard game. You're like, how do you get a 300 yard game? The most you ever receiving yard you ever had in the game was 75. And now you got 300, you jump. So you jump over 150, 200, 250 to go from 75 to 3. And I think that's what it is because. And the, the amount of free throws, I think the most free throw somebody ever shot in the game was probably what, 38, I think. Dwight, how shot that many? I mean check, check me but 46 free throws and they was, they was trying not to, I mean I saw, I saw clips and they got three people on him and they don't want him to get it.

[Ocho]

Hey, that's crazy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y' all should have thought about that earlier before you let the man get 31 in the first quarter. How about that? Then that's the time that you say, you know what? You ain't no more, bro. You let the man get 36 and a quarter. I mean 31 and a quarter. Then you let him get another 12. So he got 43. Now you let him get another 19. So now you. Not. Now you're gonna get in trouble, and you let him get 21 in the fourth.

[Ocho]

That's. I. I don't. I don't. I don't understand it. I mean, it. It's as if. I mean, it's still basketball. It's still the NBA. It is the best. And then, you know, they move the goal post. They move the goal post. Maybe because it's Bam. Maybe. Maybe if it's Anthony Edwards, maybe nobody would be complaining.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I guarantee. I bet your doorknob to a bucket of cow manure. Ocho, if LeBron had 81 and Bam broke that, what you think the discourse would be on the Internet? How many people would be throwing a ticker tape parade that have been applauded? You know that, and I know that you know that, but because it was Kobe, Kobe would. Kobe would have applauded this man. Oh, hold on. Y' all don't remember when Kobe dropped 55 on Jordan and he idolized Jordan? How can he do his idol like that? Because Kobe said he would want it. No other way. Kobe. I believe Kobe would have been pissed had. Had. Had Bam come out of the game with 80 or tie with him at 81. Nah, hell no. If I'm smoke, I'm leaving him in the game. I'm gonna see if he can get 90.

[Ocho]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm gonna see if he. I'm honestly gonna see if he can get 90 points.

[Ocho]

The funny thing about it is, all those that are Kobe fans, they have a right to be Kobe fans, but they don't have Kobe's mentality. They don't have that. No, they don't have mentality.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No.

[Ocho]

You know how he operates. You know how he thinks, and you know that he would have actually wanted that. Of course.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And look, that, man, look, I don't know how you feel, Ocho, but I know if I got. Let's just say that the record is339.339, or336.336 by Flip. Flip Harrison got the record. Ocho, you mean to tell me I don't give a damn if it's a meaningless game? I, I. Hey, hey, hey, Shannon, you got 334. What you want to do? I want to go back. Hey, let them score a touchdown and let me get back in there and get 337. That's what you do. Are you something. Something needs to happen that I need to get back on the field and throw and. And let me get. And let me break this record. 83 points, Ocho 83. I mean, I'm just thinking, I like man, and like KD saying, do think about it. That man shot the ball 43 times, and then he took another 43 free throw attempts. He took 22 three point attempts. Do you know how much stamina it takes to run up and down the court in this, to shoot? I tell you what, you think it's easy, you just, hey, just get you a nice little job and go shoot. 80 and go shoot.

[Ocho]

Oh, he in good shape now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And 22 of me.

[Ocho]

He in good shape now. Oh, he in good shape.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's what makes Steph Curry so spectacular. Think about how much money he does and then how many threes he get up. Congratulations. Bam. I didn't think. I mean, look, and like I said, because he's so unlikely, if Dame Lillard did that, you wouldn't think anything else. Okay, okay, I got Joe. Now it's time to welcome. He's an undefeated professional boxer with a record of 25 and 0. He's an Olympic silver medalist in the 2016 Olympic a four division world champs. 126, 130, 135, 140. He's trained by his grandfather, Wally Moses. Recently, he defeated Teofimo Lopez for the welterweight title. Shakur Stevenson. Shakur, how you doing, bro?

[Shakur Stevenson]

What up, huh? What up, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm good, I'm good, bro. Thanks for joining us tonight. If you dominated Teofimo, did you think the fight was gonna be that easy? Cause he is. I mean, he's a champ.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, I didn't think it was gonna be that easy. I thought it could have been that easy. But I also knew, like, Tfimo was tough and he was gonna bring his best. And honestly, I think just God showed up and did what he always do.

[Ocho]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. Hell nah. He's trying to play humble, Unc.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He.

[Ocho]

He trying to play humble because he said. He said it in the presser. He said in the presser, I see weaknesses in your game, and I'm going to expose them. And you gonna see fight night. And come fight night, all the things that Tio was able to get away with were other opponents that weren't as skilled. All the trickery, all the fakes and all the. All the. All the faints, none of that worked. And so Shakur did his homework, and that's why the fight looked the way it did

[Shakur Stevenson]

now. 100. 100. Like I said, I just did what I was supposed to do. But I did, I did think it could happen that way. You're right. I didn't think it could happen that way.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So you thought you could pitch because I had you at the show. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how they gave him around. Maybe they was feeling sorry for him. Like, damn, we can't have our champ lose all 12 rounds. We got to give him something. But it looked like you pitched the shutout because everything that he tried to do, you know, you had a counter. It was like you was. It was like you knew the. Like you knew the answers to the test because you had already read the test.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I watched the. I watched him fight probably, like, every day in training camp, and I seen, like, so many different, like, weaknesses in his game to where I'm like, okay, if he do this against me, I'm going to destroy him. Or if he do this against. Capitalize here. So when I seen him bust the same moves that I seen on camera, it just made it so much easier. It made it so much easier, but it was an easy night of boxing. I appreciate Tia Fema even for stepping in the ring with me, because a lot of fighters don't. So shout out to him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Anyway, let me ask you this. There have been a lot of. There's been a lot of discussion around your fight style. I don't think anybody questions your level of greatness, because like you said, you are the amateur. You go to the Olympics, you win a gold medal, you want a silver medal. But some me, you got upset at me. I said, look, and Oo and I, we was having a discussion after the Teofimo fight. I said, oo, he's great. I said, the way he can get in there, and he makes. He makes great fighters look average. I said, but his style is not. I mean, his style. I said, bro, I can't. I can't pay money. I want to see a little bit more action. And you got upset with me. What do you say about people that say your style is boring? They're not saying that you're not great. They say your style of fighting.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I mean, that's your opinion. I can't really take away from your opinion. I hear you say it. So when you say it, I'll probably throw back at you and talk a little. At the end of the day, that's your opinion. You can have your opinion, but truthfully, my style is not boring. My style is just the fact that I make easy. Like, guys can't do nothing with me. It's like, you could go, you can name all the best fighters in My weight class. But if you put them in a ring with me, they all might look like tfmo. Like Tfmo just damn wanting to step in the ring so anybody don't look

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

like that, Tank gonna look like that. Keyshawn Davis gonna look like that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, I ain't. I ain't gonna disrespect my brother. I love my brother.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay?

[Shakur Stevenson]

We be smart all the time. We. We good work. But like I said, anybody that pay attention to the sport of boxing and love the sport of boxing, they gonna love my.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I told you. You heard what he said. Anybody that paid attention to the sport of boxing, they would love his style. That's what our argument was about. It's you, the. The casual fan that always looking for the. The Tank Davis knockout, the Mike Tyson knockout. But us purists that enjoy and watching round by round, how Shakur is always two steps ahead of whoever he's fighting, which is why it looks the way it looks, and it looks so easy. I mean, it's. It's. It's. You. You actually have to understand the sweet science in itself and understand what you're watching to appreciate what he's been able to do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There have been discussion with the wbc. They took your title because I think they. They wanted you to pay. So. So get. Let me get this straight. There's a sanctioning fee. If you have a belt, you have to pay X amount of dollars, correct?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. If you got a belt, you got to pay X amount of dollars for having the belt? Yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So. So. So what does that. What does that money go towards? So I got. I got it. So if I got like five or six belts, I gotta pay 5, 6, $700,000 to keep the belts?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. I don't know what they do with the money that's on the wbc, but from my point of view, they could tell you whatever they want because you don't know what they do with the money. We don't see what they do. I'll be hearing that they be paying for hotels, all kinds of different stuff with their money, so. Well, with my money, basically. So I don't know what's.

[Ocho]

What's next. What we got lined up. I mean, we have. We have anything. Any fights coming up? Anybody?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You.

[Ocho]

You. You might want to fight. Talk to me.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, we ain't got nothing lined up yet. We looking over the scenery. We trying to see what opponents is doing what. And we just watching. We watching and paying attention. Now, my next opponent, I'm gonna Try to make sure it's an opponent that my. My fans and the fans that dislike me want to fight.

[Ocho]

I mean, when you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But let me now say, when you

[Ocho]

talk about your next opponent, do you want someone that is a. Is a. Is a superior challenge, like a Teoformo Lopez or you want to have a tune up fight before another big mega fight?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, I want to fight whoever. I'll fight whoever I'm down to. Fight the best fighters. Y' all name them. You know, the. The fans could come up with a. What's that little post?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y' all put a wish list together. Who y' all want to see Shakur fight?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, we could go by the polling. And whoever they say is the best, I. I'll fight them.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Are you gonna. Are you. Look, look, you. You took. You took down Teofimo at 147. Are you interested in going back down or you gonna go to 34? You're gonna go to 35. You go to 30, go back down to 120. So what are you looking to do?

[Shakur Stevenson]

35 and 40 is my weight class. I run that. So both weight classes is mine. And until somebody dethrone me, it will be my weight class. So tell them, come see me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now you do realize that. You do realize now Tank and keyshawn is the 100 boys.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yo, I'm just saying.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm just saying, Shakur, you know that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Oh, me and Keon not gonna fight each other, so it ain't no point of mentioning.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, okay, so. So now that leaves you and Tank. Who else at the 140 that you would be a 135 that you would be interested in banging with Lamar? Anybody?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I would love to fight Lamar Rose, me and Lamar Ro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That be a good one.

[Ocho]

That be a good one. That be a nice chess match right there, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cuz, all.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, the best versus best.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let. Let me ask you a question, Shakur. All real talk, you think. You think Roach beat Tank?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, I do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I did. Oo. OO and I said the same thing. I said, I like Tank, but only

[Ocho]

once he took that knee. Once he took that knee. After that, it's. It's impossible for the judge.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He was beating before the knee.

[Ocho]

Yeah, but once you take the knee, the scorecard should look different in favor of goddamn Lamont at that point.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it's a ten, eight round.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I thought. I thought without the knee, he. He won that fight.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I took. That's what I said to Oo. I said, because with the knee, that's a 10, eight round if a no brainer. Now what are we even discussing?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So now you don't. We don't. You're not gonna fight Keyshawn. So Lamont Roach and Tank Day, you did mention and, and doing some research. You know, I gotta, I gotta go do research. I gotta go do research. You said a rehydration clause. A rehydration clause. Now my research shows Canelo has done it three times against Daniel Jacobs, Sergi Kovalev K and Rocky Felden. Tank did it against Mario Barrios and he did it against Ryan Garcia. Chris Eubanks Jr. Did against Connor, Ben and Triple G did against Daniel Jacobs.

[Ocho]

The.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Re. The, the rehydration clause. That means you would have. You go probably fight. If you fight Ryan Garcia, you're going to fight him at 147. Ryan is a naturally big guy. You're a naturally small guy. I mean, you, you won the silver medal at 126. So you had to put on 14 pounds. You just to make the 140. It had to put on 21 pounds to go to 47. Ryan was gonna strip down. Ryan probably walks around, what you think he walks around at 165, 170.

[Shakur Stevenson]

170.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So now he's gonna come down to 147. Now when he refuel, rehydrate, he could easily, he could easily rebang back to 160, 165, easy.

[Shakur Stevenson]

172.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So you want to say okay. So if you put the rehydration clause, you will say, okay, you can't go over 152. You can't go over 155. Where are the numbers that you feel comfortable like, he ain't, he ain't 25 pounds heavier than I am, but you feel you can get the best while not stripping him of everything?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, honestly, I don't even want to do the rehydration clause.

[Ocho]

I don't.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I know, like social media kind of made that a big thing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I was speaking hypothetical when I said it, but okay. He went in the interview and he said that he'll fight me at 140 pounds.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I can't make no 140.

[Shakur Stevenson]

We don't know. We don't know. We don't know what he could do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

See what I'm saying? Record. You know that man, you say the man walk around at 170. You want to bring the man down 30.

[Shakur Stevenson]

He said that he will fight me at 140. I'm just going To. So if he said it like, what. What am I supposed to do?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So. So you'll have a rehydration clause at 140?

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, I don't want a rehydration clause.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, you know, so if he comes down to 140, you don't want the rehydration clause. Only if he comes down to 40. Only if he comes down to 47. You have to go up to 47. Do you want the cloth or you don't want the clause at all?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I only want the clause if I go up to 147, but I don't plan on going up. So at the end of the day, I don't. I don't need the clause. We can find that 140.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You think that man can make 140, Shakur?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Honestly, I mean, I'm just telling you off of his words.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I know what you. I know what he.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What he said that he can't make 140. He said he can. As long as he lock in and take it serious,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

man, I'll, you know, Shakur, you know, once you start, it's like once you go up to those weights and you start fighting now, you start fighting in that weight. As you start to get older, it gets harder to strip that weight off you. You're young. You could easily go back down to 130 if you wanted to, because you're not. You're not a naturally big man. You don't walk around at 150. You probably walk around, I'm assuming, probably 140, 142, maybe more like one. You're probably in the 130s. So you like that floor. You got that Floyd syndrome. Floyd walked around at 150. Get down to 147, tear everybody ass up.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I can't tell you my walk around weight, but like I said, if you want to fight at 140 or we can't do a catch weight at 144 pounds. Okay,

[Ocho]

I like that. With a catch weight at 144. But not Ryan Garcia, a catch weight at 144. You think Connor, Ben could get down still even though he's fought at. At heavier weights?

[Shakur Stevenson]

You think, no, I want to. I want to fight him at 147 with the re. Because he. No, because he did that to.

[Ocho]

Okay, yeah, he did.

[Shakur Stevenson]

The world kind of like gave him credit for the win, but at the end of the day, Eubank was kind of drained in the ring, so let him deal with it with me.

[Ocho]

Oh, so, hey, so. So you're. You're getting there and rock with what kind of Ben, huh?

[Shakur Stevenson]

At 47 with a rehydration?

[Ocho]

Yeah. Okay, I like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, so let me.

[Ocho]

I want to see that. I want to see that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I. I want to see. So when you say rehydration, how. How many pounds are you willing to give to let them go? Because it's been as low as three and a half, and then some people say 10. So how far are you willing to go? How much wiggle room? Or will you give someone on a rehydration clause?

[Shakur Stevenson]

You only get £10.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's the max. You're gonna. That's the max. But I've seen. I think. I think the first. I think I've seen three and a half. At one point, it was like three and a half. But the max is 10.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, 10. Yup. 10 is good.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So you fight him at 147. He can't get back up to about 157. You're gonna probably. It's gonna be hard as hell for you to make 147.

[Ocho]

Me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I can make 147 right now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's what I know. But I'm saying. But. But I'm saying that's probably your. What? Like, I'm saying, you. You walk around in the mid-40s. You not gonna tell us. But looking at your frame, looking at your clavicles, you not a naturally big man, Shakur. So it's. It's gonna be easy for you to always make those lower weights. That 140, 147, that's nothing for you. You ain't got to do nothing. You go to camp for two weeks and make 47.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That's true. You right.

[Ocho]

Hey. Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's true.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, you know who.

[Ocho]

You know who can make 147?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Who? Man, your big ass can't make no 147, bro.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You 187, man.

[Ocho]

I'll piece you up. Man. Don't. Don't play with me, man. Don't do that, man. Don't do that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, hey, hey, man, set the sparring up, man. I've been waiting.

[Ocho]

I've been asking you for two years to spot. You scared of me? You scared?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Like, every time I see you, we rocking out, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah. And don't let him get no hair, girl. Don't let him put no hair.

[Ocho]

I don't need no hair. I'm polished. I'm polishing the ring.

[Shakur Stevenson]

We both don't need a head game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Cuz, you saw. You saw what Keshawn did to Blueface, right? Shakur? Yeah, that's how. Hey, hey, I. I want. I want Coacho come back looking like Tommy Hearn when he fought Mark I. That's how.

[Ocho]

I have a boxing background the past nine years. I'm good. I'm ready.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You don't think Blueface box.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he boxed. And Blueface, like. Blueface say he like, 215.

[Ocho]

Shakur, did you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You.

[Ocho]

Do you. You see this? What. What is. Come on, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'm just saying, though, like, nah, he box. He a box, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

All right.

[Shakur Stevenson]

When you get in there with them boxes, it's a different story, man. I'm telling you, the real, like, elite level fighters.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes. Is there any truth? Because they say, like, you about to sign a three fight deal with Zeppelin for like, 60 million. Is there any truth to that?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Say, not that I know it, but they gonna give me 60 million. Call my phone already.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So. Man, you see, that's why I can't believe nothing on the Internet. Because they had you up there talking about you about to sign with zone for a three fight deal for 60 million.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Send that to my man. Listen here, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you, like, you don't even need no agent. I have that by myself.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, I'm ready, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Look, the last. The last three or four days, Internet's been blowing up. We had Clarissa. Clarissa said that she could beat Rolly, and I know that's your girl. Y' all was at the. Y' all was that. Y' all was at the Olympics together. But, Shakur, keep it above. See, you already laughing. You already laughing.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Listen up, listen up. Right? Honestly, you know, I think it's hard for her to be able to be a male fighter, but I would love to see it because she campaigning it. And, like, if she believe it, I believe it. So I believe in her at the end of the day, so I would love to see it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You do realize, man produce testosterone, they have longer bones, they have harder punching power.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What if he don't hit Clarissa? What if he don't hit her?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Do what? You gonna go to hell, you know, for lying, you go to hell. That's what the Bible teaches us. I know you a man of the blood. The Bible teaches us.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Man, tell her to come to training camp with me. She is not gonna get touched.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He gonna cut the ring off. Even. Even. Even at his. Even at that weight. Let's just say he. She fights it. I think she said she fight. She fought this last fight at 175. I think she said she can get down to 165. Let's just say for the sake of argument, she gets down to 165. He's at 140. His body still produces more testosterone than hers. His bones are still longer than hers. It's like Serena. Serena, all her partners, her. Her hitting partners were men.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

She couldn't beat a 250th ranked man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You know, it's crazy. I agree with you, though. Like, I. I agree with what you're saying. All I'm saying is cl. Clarissa Shields is different. So with her being as good as she is and her skill set, I just wouldn't count her out with anything that she do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But, Shakur, you do realize to throw punches, you gotta open yourself up. And a man re. A man reflexes are quicker than a woman. Now, she done got knocked down even by a woman. He touches her.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I can't argue anything that you're saying because you're saying facts. Like what you're saying is true.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Telling you that Clarissa Shields is not a normal woman. She's not the same woman as every other woman.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I would feel comfortable if she had 18 fights. She had 15, 16 knockouts. I said, well, maybe she can hit. Because I think the thing was, when we looked at Bud, because a lot of the people say, well, man, what if Bud going up in weight buzz? A naturally big. Bud is a naturally big man. But Bud walk around a big ass wig. People think Bud small. I said, I was in there wrestling with him. I said I was tired as hell trying to throw his. Look, I said. I said, but when Bud touched Canelo, Canelo, like, damn, he got his attention. He got his respect immediately. If Carissa can't get his respect, and. And like I said, if she in 18 fights and she had 16 knockouts, I would say, you know what? She might can get his respect. I don't know how she. I don't. I don't know how she keep him off of her.

[Shakur Stevenson]

What if she defend herself? Well, hit him and she don't get touched with nothing big or nothing that's super strong or hard.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's hard because. Because Rolly throws hard. You know, he throws hard if he have an awkward stance. And the thing is, touching a man and touching a woman, you. You already know the chin. The chin different. You and you know that, Shakur. The chin different on a man and a woman.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Let me be her coach for the fight. Just let me be a coach, and we gonna win.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You could get. You could get Buddy McGirt, you could get Floyd Mayweather Senior. You could get Freddie Roach. You could. God rest his soul. Emmanuel Stewart. She ain't beat nobody. A champion, man.

[Shakur Stevenson]

But you did not say Shakur.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Stevenson. Shakur. Stevenson. Floor. I would put Shakur in the corner. Florida the corner.

[Shakur Stevenson]

This me. All I need to do is be in that corner. That's all I need to do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, you're gonna have to jump in the. You're gonna have to jump in the ring and soften him up first.

[Shakur Stevenson]

For sure,

[Ocho]

man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on. Devin Haney say he wants something. What's up with you and Dad? Y' all can bang at 140.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Where he say that at, dad?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

See, I. I'm just saying. I saw y' all in the ring sparring. I saw y' all in the ring. I would call Bill.

[Ocho]

That was a long time ago.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Devin say he want anybody at the 140. He want that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Now he fighting.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He come down for you.

[Shakur Stevenson]

If he come down, then let's make it happen.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, why you. You say you could fight at 147? You want to go up and see it?

[Shakur Stevenson]

I just told you, if I fight at 147, what come with it?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, so any. Any fight at 147. There's a rehydration clause.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Any fight at 147.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. Okay. So y' all hear that? Don't call this bad phone fight at

[Shakur Stevenson]

147, but we could fight out of

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

catch weight 44 with no rehydration.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Any 47 pound powder. Fight me at 144. I'm down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let's do it with no rehydration.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No rehydration.

[Ocho]

I'm ready.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But it ain't no but. Ain't no Bells at 44. So you just want to fight. You want. So you just need the belt for. We the names.

[Shakur Stevenson]

We the big names. Why we need the belt?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. If.

[Shakur Stevenson]

If we fought at 144, would you show up and watch? Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You fighting. Hold on. You fighting Devin Haney? Yeah.

[Ocho]

At 100.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Without the bells on the line, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Okay, then. So we good?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. If you go fight. If you go fight the best of the best, I'm gonna come see because I wanna. I want to see in my own eyes. I want to see it my own eyes. I'm gonna see if you go. You're gonna do, you know, you say, hey. Oh, you say my fight boring. Let me show you why it's boring. You see what I Did every strength, every strength that he had, I turned it into a weakness.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I ain't gonna lie. If you, if you watch my last fight and you still thought it was boring, you're gonna think I saw it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Here's the thing. Here's the thing, Shakur. Tim Duncan was. Tim Duncan not great.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Now, he, he was a great.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Would you say he was exciting?

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, not really. No. That's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But two things can be true. You can be great. And I want to see some action. I want to see. Hey, I understand. You said, look, my job is to hit, not get hit. And I think sometimes you, you know, sometimes I think you're overly cautious when with that. But I want to see a little bit more action, Shakur. That's all. If I'm paying 5, $10,000 for a ticket, Shakur, I want to see something. I want to see some lights turned out.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Boxing fan then, huh? I don't think you're a big boxing fan then.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

For me, for me to come out of my house. Hold on. For me to come out of my house and to dig in my pockets and pay $10,000. No, no, no, you go, I'll see some action. I'm gonna see some action.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Are you a, A big boxing fan?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes. Yes.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Impossible.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes. I used to go. I've seen Floyd fight several times. I've seen Mike Tyson fight. Yeah. But to come out of my pocket. So see if I would watch on tv. Of course I'm gonna watch it on television.

[Ocho]

Fight.

[Shakur Stevenson]

You thought he was born.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He fought. He. I, I saw him fight. I think, I think I saw him fight Corrales and I saw him fight De La Hoya and.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Did you think he was boring?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I saw, I saw Floyd after he had broke his hands, when Floyd was fighting at 30, 35 and 40. When he fought Gotti, when he fought Ricky Hatton. Hell, no, he wasn't boring when he fought Gotti, when he fought Ricky Hatton, when he fought Cotto, when he fought. Hold on.

[Ocho]

After that, after that.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Did you think it was after Floyd,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

after Floyd's hands became brittle, he became a fighter that, you know what I can't take. I'm not gonna lose no fight because I'm fighting one handed. Because I broke my hand.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I got a question for you. Yes. Did you see him fight Carlos Baldomir?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That was before. No, that was, Wasn't that around the

[Shakur Stevenson]

times he, his hands.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That. That might have been. That was one of the fights, yeah. Because I remember he hit somebody and he took a knee.

[Shakur Stevenson]

People called him boring. He would like. It was never boring to me when I watched him fight, even when I watched him fight Pacquiao, I never thought like Floyd Mayweather was a boring fighter. Now when I watched Rick it out, I'm like, okay, this is kind of like, no disrespect, like, he's a hell of a fighter, one of my favorites. But some of the time I'm like, okay, this is boring, but I just don't see how you can watch guys, like completely dominate, shut guys out and give you some type of entertainment at times in the fight. And I feel like when I fought Tia Female, I came forward, I was the aggressor, I was on the front foot. So I just don't see how anybody could think that that fight was a boring fight.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But here's the thing. When floor was at 35 and 40, Floyd was stopping people. Can we agree on that?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Some guys, some guys got stopped. Yeah, that's all.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We want to see some action, but. But hey, go ahead.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Me and Floyd Mayweather is two different people. So at the end of the day, if you compare us, you're just comparing a guy that already finished his career with a guy that's still in a prom of his career with more better fights to come. So it's hard to really compare.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I, I think the thing is, is that your fighting style is a lot different, is a lot similar because you guys are, do a lot of, a lot of counters. Yeah. Oh, you know, they'll win. I mean, undefeated. Yeah. So, yeah, I, I think the thing that's, that's my thing at 35 and 40, floor was stopping people. I look at another guy like Shane Mosley, 35, 40, he was stopping people. He had dynamite when he fought, when he fought Antonio Margarita. But I thought he think he fought margarita at 47. I don't know what he was. I think he maybe fought De la Hoya, what, 54 or 40. I think he called De La Hoya 54.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah. But you gotta also realize that was my fourth weight class. And anybody that's in the sport that goes through four weight classes, I feel like it's harder to knock guys out. As you move up and wait, you go up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Besides the Manny Pacquiao who probably, we don't know, that probably wasn't, you know, as normal as everybody else, because I

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

ain't never seen nobody go from one. Pacquiao probably went from 112 and floorboard people at 22, 26, 30, 35, 40, 47, 54, he would, I'm like, well, damn, this little man just not.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Hey, yeah, but you gotta understand, when people move up in weight classes, definitely harder to knock people out because you

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

already fighting bigger guys. That's already sustained at that weight.

[Ocho]

Yeah, well, we. We got it ready, we got it set. So we don't put it out there in the universe.

[Shakur Stevenson]

No, Lamar.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, you and you.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no, no. I whoop his ass. But anyway, we got Lamont Roach, right? Hey, we got. We got Lamont Roach, and then we got Connor being at a catch weight, so, you know, the tongue is powerful, so we're going to speak it into existence at 144.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Nah, me and Lamar could fight at 140. 01.35 either.

[Ocho]

I like that. I like that. So I'm just. Bring me in the camp. Bring me in the camp.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I told you. Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Anytime. Shakur. Tear his ass up. I mean, look, if you don't come back, if you don't come back with no horn on his head, you ain't do nothing.

[Ocho]

We got the same exact fighting style.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, Shakur said, he gonna stop you. I'm coming. I'm coming. I'm have my phone, right?

[Ocho]

My defense. My defense is just like his, or maybe better. Like, I'm not. I'm not even

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

tripping.

[Ocho]

I don't studied you, man. All these years, man. I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I.

[Ocho]

Everything you got him, he tried to do. I gotta answer my.

[Shakur Stevenson]

In America, man. That was crazy. Your defense may be just like. Exactly.

[Ocho]

Listen, I mean, most of the time, when you. When you. Hey, before you take a test, you study it, don't you?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, but I've been studying for 20 some years.

[Ocho]

I've been studying for 58. What you. What you saying?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Yeah, but you ain't been studying boxing for that long.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He said. But he said, because he's a much bigger man, Shakur, he gonna walk through your punches.

[Shakur Stevenson]

That don't mean nothing, though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't want no rehydration clothes. Ocho.

[Ocho]

I'm gonna come down to 140.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I'mma stop him to the body.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, you give a body shot and stop it.

[Shakur Stevenson]

Stop onto the body for sure.

[Ocho]

What happened to my camera?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't know that. Hey, that man said, man. Hey, man, thank you for coming on, Shakur. We really appreciate that. Hey, when you come back, when you got something else lined up, a big fight lined up, come back and tell us about it on Nightcap. Because the Nightcap family, they love boxing. They love Shakur Stevenson, and we can't wait to see your next fight. Is it going to happen before June? After June, the fall? What, what, what you kind of looking at? What's kind of your timeline?

[Shakur Stevenson]

Probably after June. I don't know. I can't even tell you yet. Once I talk to the business people, we gonna make it happen, so.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. Well, congratulations on your last fight. You did a number on Teofimo Lopez, a four division champ, an Olympic silver medal medalist. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Shakur Stevenson. Thanks for joining, Shakur.

[Shakur Stevenson]

I appreciate y'.

[Ocho]

All.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Appreciate you, bro. He ain't gonna stop you to the body. Oo. He said he gonna stop you to the body.

[Ocho]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, man. Hey, that Joe hit you with them liver, them kidney shots, O, you be peeing blood.

[Ocho]

All right? I'mma be tucked in, huh? I'm be tucked in.