Nightcap Hour 1: Respect for Kirk Cousins SAVING Raheem Morris & Falcons + Chargers Tony Jefferson joins NIGHTCAP + Titans sideline reporter BANNED from TEAM PLANE + Kyler Murray DONE in Arizona

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Respect for Kirk Cousins SAVING Raheem Morris & Falcons + Chargers’ Tony Jefferson Joins + Titans Sideline Reporter BANNED + Kyler Murray DONE in Arizona

Episode Date: December 12, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Special Guest: Tony Jefferson (Chargers DB)

Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap Hour is a lively deep-dive into the Atlanta Falcons' dramatic win over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, focusing on Kirk Cousins' standout performance and implications for the team and coach Raheem Morris. The conversation also explores league-wide topics including discipline in coaching, the importance of player access, media boundaries with teams, and a candid interview with Chargers safety Tony Jefferson. Commentary remains true to the easy camaraderie and football expertise of Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson, with a distinctly unfiltered, humorous style.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Falcons Edge Out Bucs; Kirk Cousins Delivers

• Recap of Falcons vs. Bucs Game
  Timestamps: 05:34–13:44

  • Falcons win 29-28 via Shane Gonzalez’s walk-off field goal.
  • Kirk Cousins: 30/44, 373 yards, 3 TDs (all to Kyle Pitts Sr.).
  • Kyle Pitts: 11 catches, 166 yards, 3 TDs (historic performance).
  • Falcons offense racks up 476 yards on 66 plays.
  • Defense sacks Baker Mayfield 5 times and intercepts him once.
  • Tampa's Mike Evans returns, posting 6 catches for 132 yards.

• Discussion: Use of Offensive Weapons and Playcalling

  • Chad Johnson questions why Pitts isn't featured more often, given he’s a matchup "nightmare" ([09:58]).
  • Shannon: "If you protect [Cousins], he can [do it every game]" ([10:38]).

• Falcons’ Discipline Issues

  • Falcons commit 19 penalties (tied for 4th most by a winning team ever).
  • Sharpe: “Your team is undisciplined, which negatively reflects on the coach. You coach it or condone it” ([12:28]).

• Decision-Making and Coaching Critique

  • Both hosts rip Raheem Morris for “chasing points” and question in-game decisions ([12:02]–[13:34]).
  • “You should not go for effing two when you're down an even score game” – Sharpe, blasting analytics-driven choices ([24:18]).

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2. Kirk Cousins' Value; Quarterback Controversy in Atlanta

• Kirk’s Performance, Security Blanket Role
  Timestamps: 16:16–18:59

  • Praised for “surgical” passing when protected:
    • “If you let him set his feet…oh, he gonna light your ass up.” – Sharpe ([16:17])
    • “He will dissect your whole defense” – Johnson ([16:40])
    • Comparison to West Coast Offense legends and his quick processing.

• Falcons' Drafting and Quarterback Decisions

  • Debate over Michael Penix Jr. vs. Bo Nix vs. Cousins ([17:51]).
  • Injury concerns over rookies; Sharpe: “Given his history, he's injury prone.” ([17:14])
  • Consensus: Cousins was always the “security blanket,” but rookie pick was best available in draft logic ([17:20]).

• Historical Note:

  • Sharpe points out Pitts’ game is the first time a TE had 150+ yards and 3 TDs since himself in 1996 ([18:35]).
  • Johnson showers praise: “You was him.” ([18:45])

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3. Penalties, Coaching Pressure, and Team Identity

• Record Penalties Discussion
  Timestamps: 34:33

  • Sharpe reviews the NFL’s highest-penalties-wins and puts it in context—rare, mostly unsustainable.

• Raheem Morris' Job Security

  • Sharpe speculates: “[Morris is] coaching like he knows something we don’t, like he got job security for another year or two.” ([12:02])

• Bengals and Panthers Talk

  • Johnson volunteers that Panthers (Carolina) are the NFC South dark horse, liking additions of McMillan, Young, Hubbard ([38:09]).

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4. Defense and Team Identity: Tony Jefferson Joins (Chargers)

Guest Segment
Timestamps: 44:02–58:33

• Tony Jefferson’s Career Renaissance

  • Describes intercepting Jalen Hurts on MNF, credits “experience…game planning…maturity.” ([44:36])
  • Discusses moving from playing to scouting, then un-retiring because he realized, “I’m better than this dude [on film].” ([47:33])
  • “You’re not gonna get the Philip Rivers treatment…get all of it out of your system” – Sharpe’s advice ([57:32])

• Chargers Defensive Identity

  • Culture, coaching, and self-discipline cited as key.
  • Players given autonomy to call what works for them: “They give us the freedom to...make calls that fit us.” -- Jefferson ([45:19])
  • On common game-planning for Eagles: “They have very strong tendencies...lets us play fast” ([51:00]).

• QB Grit

  • Describes how seeing his quarterback play one-handed after surgery “motivates you, especially as a defense” ([52:14]).

• The Harbaugh Difference

  • Describes Jim/John Harbaugh similarities: “Pure football guys. It’s all about winning and they’re player coaches.” ([53:20])

• Chargers’ Grueling Stretch

  • “You win this division, you would have earned it.” – Sharpe on Chargers’ late-season schedule (@54:36)

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5. Media, Access, and Team Privacy

• Titans Sideline Reporter Banned for Sharing On-Plane Story
  Timestamps: 58:37–60:29

  • Reporter Will Bowling removed for sharing locker room/plane details on-air.
  • Sharpe/Johnson share locker-room code: “If they’re not speaking directly to you, it’s off the record” ([58:51]).
  • “You gotta learn the hard way. Now you gotta fly, find your own way to the city” – Sharpe on consequences ([59:35]).

• Player-Veteran Access: Knowing the Boundaries

  • Both discuss why they (Sharpe in Denver, Johnson in Cincinnati) are still welcomed by teams: “I didn’t take advantage of it. You can’t wear out your welcome.” ([62:08]–[63:06])

• Locker Room Stories & Camaraderie

  • Amusing recollection of what players used to get up to (card games, “Spankshank Vision,” etc.) and how player committees, not coaches, policed behavior ([69:22]–[72:49]).
  • “On the plane, bro, you can't talk about [team business] as a reporter.” – Sharpe ([73:06])

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Notable Quotes

• On Cousins’ performance:
  “If you let him set his feet…oh, he gonna light your ass up.”
  — Shannon Sharpe ([16:17])

• On why Kyle Pitts doesn’t produce big games more often:
  “As big and talented as he is, he’s a mismatch nightmare for any defense…why he’s not implemented into the offense more?”
  — Chad Johnson ([09:58])

• On coaching discipline:
  “Your team is undisciplined, which negatively reflects on the coach. You coach it or condone it, which in either case, I place on your shoulders.”
  — Shannon Sharpe ([12:28])

• On inside info and trust:
  “If they're not speaking directly to you, it's off the record.”
  — Shannon Sharpe ([58:51])

• Locker room code:
  “You done messed up a good opportunity just to have a story.”
  — Chad Johnson ([60:25])

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Memorable Moments & Banter

• Friendly ribbing about Bo Nix vs. Penix Jr. and who Atlanta "should" have drafted.
• Proud, hilarious acknowledgment as the “original” tight end with 150+ yards/3 TDs in a game — Sharpe and Johnson trade compliments ([18:38]).
• Recollection on the “rules” of being an ex-player in team facilities: “I’m never gonna wear out my welcome. Even though I had the access…I didn’t go back and take advantage of it.” ([63:06])
• Sharpe’s signature player-coach storytelling about self-policing the team plane and why “not everything you see needs to be a story” ([70:04]–[73:06])
• Tony Jefferson’s story of being motivated by a quarterback playing through injury, and rediscovering his passion for football in the scout’s office ([47:33]–[52:14])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Falcons/Bucs Recap & Kirk Cousins focus: 05:34–18:59
• Penalty discussion/Historical context: 33:00–36:03
• Tony Jefferson Interview: 44:02–58:33
• Titans Reporter Banned Discussion: 58:37–60:29
• Locker Room/Ethics stories: 69:22–73:06

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Tone & Style

Consistently candid, humorous, and full of insider anecdotes—hosts balance deep football analysis with player-to-player banter. The tone is playful and authentic, mixing hard critique with laughs and storytime, retaining the original voices and camaraderie.

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For listeners who missed it:
This episode is a must if you want a deep, player-led breakdown of why Kirk Cousins changed the Falcons’ outcome, what a lack of discipline means for a coaching staff, the unwritten rules for reporters around NFL teams, and a rare, insightful guest appearance by Tony Jefferson who holds nothing back about his career, the Chargers’ defense, and how passion for football can be rediscovered from the “other side” of the office.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

BAKER Mayfield was 19 to 34. 277, two touchdowns, one very, very costly interception. They didn't run the ball as well as I thought they would. 22 carries for 88 yards. Mike Evans came back his first game back. It seemed like three, almost three months. Six catches, a buck 32, 45 yard long, 12 targets. I thought Atlanta's defense played exceptional tonight. Look, yeah, they gave up some yards, but they Got after Baker Mayfield's ass. They were on. Boy, they was on him. If you didn't know, you thought it was a lion pride attacking a wildebeest. That's how they were trying to drag him down. Ocho. And they got it five times. They picked him off once. But it was a very interesting game. Oo, watching this ball game, what did you like about what you saw from the Atlanta Falcons?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, normally when we talk about the Atlanta Falcons, the one thing we do talk about is we talk about their offense. We talk about the offense. Drake London, obviously, Drake didn't. Didn't play tonight. But Kyle Pitts, his. His emergence and looking like the number one pick that he is. And I'm not sure why they don't use him as often and create plays as. As big and talented as he is. He's a mismatched nightmare for. For any defense you. You get out there, there are not very many corners or linebackers that can cover him. So I'm not sure why he's not implemented into the offense more. So he has these type of statistical nights like they did. Avi. Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins. Listen, Unk, I'm not sure if he can do it every single game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you protect him, he can.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, listen, if you protect him, you can. But this is what you can get from Kirk Cousins, which is why I think the Atlanta Falcons even got him in the first place, despite drafting, you know, Michael Pix Jr. Michael Pitts Jr. Like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you got him. And you got him. Oh, not to cut you off. You got him after he came off on Achilles tear at the later stages of his career. Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Exactly.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Knowing what he can do and, you know, being a thrower of the ball. But. But they look good. The defense had Baker make Baker Mayfield uncomfortable from the beginning of the game. From the start of the game, he was very jittery. He had happy feet. They caused him to miss some throws. They batted a few balls down. Obviously, he had an interception as well. But Baker would. Baker had 20, 77 yards. Bunk. He didn't look like the Baker Mayfield that we. We saw early in the season where they were stringing off win after win at the win. Would he make a buka. You know, playing really well with my. In. In the absence of Mike Evans, they didn't look the same, but this was a really good defensive game. And it came down to the wire. And they should have lost the game, too. Honestly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Falcons.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They should have lost this game. Yeah, they had nine penalties.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think they had 19 accepted penalties.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, 19. 19.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Accepted penalties. Hold on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

125 yards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Huh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a tall tale of a 19. They declined a few more. And see, that's the problem. See, Raheem is coaching like he knows something that we don't. Like he got job security for at least another year or two. Because, first of all, now you look at the record. They're five and nine. Okay. The record is not. I'm sure. And I know Mr. Blank a little bit. We used to work out at the same place you go to Pilates. And so I have a very great relationship with Mr. Blank.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he can't be pleased with the record considering the amount of money that he's paying. He drafted a quarterback, paid Kirk Cousins a lot of money. You have 19 penalties. One or two things. Your team is undisciplined. Which negative reflects on the coach. We got a bad record. Our team is undisciplined because you coach it or you condone it, which in either case, I place on your shoulders. And then you make a bonehead play, you down an even number and you go for two. Because if you get missing. Guess what you have to do, Ocho. You have to chase it. Now, you gotta hope your defense and. And Tampa did him a favor. Yeah. Baker was a little behind America Buka because he had a step on him and he threw it behind him, which is a hard catch to make when you run in full speed and running this way and you got to open up this way, and the defender is right there on you, and as soon as the ball hits your hand, he. He tackles you. So that's a very difficult catch to make. The Bucks made it very easy. But the Falcons are a very undisciplined team. They're a very undisciplined team. If Kirk Cousins doesn't play out of his mind, they're losing this game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They lose their game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Bijan, now what people are going to start to see, like, he'll put it on the ground for us. He'll give us an opportunity.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You got to hit him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Back to back weeks. You've done this.

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Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You got. You got to hit him up. Put a. Put a hat on him. Put it. Listen, you wearing pads for a reason. Put a hat on him. He going to cough it up. Once you put it. Once you put it on film, then. No, I was just saying once you put it on film and they understand, okay, we can get that ball up off of him. All you got to do is put a hat on and Rake at it, rake at it. Put a hat on. It's gonna come out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Falcons 29, 27. First down, they were 5, 11 on third down, one on one. On fourth down, they had 66 total plays. Ocho, 476 total yards. They had 10 drives, 7.2 yards per play. Again, Cousins had 365 yards passing. The biggest play he made is that when he sacked and somehow he like, I got to get this damn ball back. And he ended up getting it back. They had 111 yards rushing. But 19 penalties. Think about it as a lot come to your building. They, they, they have 19 accepted penalties.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

For 125 yards, a turnover, and they still beat you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, the defense. I thought the defense played well. Look, they got the. Tampa has some very talented receivers. You look at Mike Evans comes back. Chris Godwin had a sighting tonight. He's. He's rounding back into shape. We know, but Abuka hadn't been the same since he kind of tweaked that. I think it was a groin or maybe a hamstring. He really hasn't been the same. Bucky Irving just came back because they normally run the ball a little better than what they did. But I gotta give. I gotta give Atlanta credit because they brought pressure on the biggest third down basically, of this ballgame. They bought a safety blitz. Bates Jr. Bates III made him step up, and they got him. He almost got out of there, Ojo. He almost got out of there. But that was some big kahunas to say. You know what, y'? All, hey, you're one on one outside. But Mike Evans was giving A.J. terrell. They had Brian on him. Brian was slip slide like he was on the water, like he's on the banana peel. He was slip sliding all over the place. He said, no, hey, hey, Terrell, you got him. He was giving Terrell the business. And then they go to Mike, Chris Godwin, and then they go to Booker. So we only look. Everybody ain't got two or three great corners. Now, Philly got a situation where they got two, but that third one, he gets a handed to him. Adore Jackson. Most teams just have one solid corner, right? And a good one. So if you got a couple of good receivers, it could be a long night for the defense. But if Kirk Cousins, First Cousins, Ocho, he played out of his mind tonight.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He played out of his damn mind. And he has that ability. If you protect him, if you protect. If you let him set his feet, if he drops back there on that field, he can do this. Oh, he gonna light your ass up.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's surgical.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Unless you gotta get him off that mark.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, he not. He's not going nowhere. And this is how he was before his Achilles, before his Achilles injury, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You let him sit back there. Listen, he. Like a goddamn surgeon. He will dissect your hole or he was dissect your whole defense. And he's surgical with that goddamn football. Yes, until you, until you, man. Until you make him uncomfortable and you get him off the spot. If you don't get him off the spot.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

These are the type of nights that Kirk Cousins can have consistently. And, and honestly, even with Drafting Michael Penning Jr. Your security blanket was, was, was Kirk the whole time. Once they made the switch at quarterback and decided to move on because they understood the history of Michael Pennock Jr. All right, there's a chance that he might not be able to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. That's why I'm shocked, Ocho. Given his history, he's injury prone.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, but you can't. You can't leave him on the board. Huh? If, if you in that war room, it's all about the next best player. And you understand Kirk cut. You know what You. You know what he can do? He's put it on film. Okay, you know what? We going to get Kirk. But the next best player on the draft board was Michael Pennings Jr. So he was a security blanket. So when things didn't go well for Kurt and you switch quarterbacks, okay, we still gonna keep Kurt. Because we also understand that, hell, Michael Pitting Jr. Got a goddamn injury history too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I give you. I give you a choice. I give you Bo Nick. So I give you Michael Pennix jr. Who you taking?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Based on what we saw, based on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right now, what you know right now between both quarterbacks.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Based on what we know right now, we're going Michael Penns Jr. I mean, excuse me. We're going Bo Nicks. My bad. Yeah, we're going Bo Nicks. But also, you have to remember because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of the injury history, I'm Leery.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we're going to talk about your quarterback because he had the same kind of history also coming out of college. Yeah, we're gonna talk about your quarterback in Cincinnati. Oh, yo. Kyle Pitt Sr. Is the first tight end to have 100 plus receipt. 150 plus receiving yards and three TDs in a game. Since who? Ocho?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey. Since Shannon. Shannon Emmanuel Sharp.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, y' all keep on sleeping over. Y' all just think I'm a Podcaster. But the shirt said it. I was hell when I was.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, yeah, yeah, you, you was that boy. Now that's what, that's one thing about it. Now I'm not gonna lie to you. I lie for you before I lie to you. But when you play, when you play that game of football in between. Yeah. On that green grass. Well, you was hell, man. Yeah, you, you, you was him. You was him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, but see Ocho, we talked, we talked about this. We had Kyle Pitts on this this summer and he was very excited and I understand this is the first night he didn't have any drops. He didn't, they didn't throw it to him and he threw it back at them tonight. He was a receiver, he wasn't a retriever. He played his ass off. For him to be as big as he is, I don't know if you've ever seen him up close and personal, but he is a large ass man. He likes 66 in which he can move. He doesn't move like he's not clumbersome. He moves with fluid, he moves with grace. When I saw him in Florida, I said this guy, hey. And he was more of an F. And he's still an F. I mean his blocking and you know, I, I tweeted like, bro, that combo, you got more time than you think on that combo block. He ended up getting the left tackle, Jake Matthews, a holding call because he didn't give enough on that combo block so Jake could work his hips around and get and hook him. But that's neither here nor there. Tonight is the, what I see in Kyle Pitts. Now I'm not saying Ocho, he go, you, you and I both know, everybody knows he's not going to have a game like this every damn game. But to see what the potential is, he has the ability to a couple of times a year have a game like this. He has the ability to get you 6, 7, 8, 9 catches for 75, 80, 90 yards and a touchdown here, there, that 5 for 35 ish.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But, but, you know, way too good for that. But, but that, that the onus and that and being used and being put in the right positions. The onus is that's on the offensive coordinator. That's on the offensive coordinator understanding what you have at your disposal. That's understanding, listen, putting him in positions, moving him around and creating those mismatches for him. There is no one out there that can cover him in one on one situations which most of the time he will be in because the Running back is having success in the backfield.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because Bijan is such a double threat, such a dual threat outside running the ball, he can catch it out the backfield as well. So Kyle Pitts is going to get those mismatches. There's no, there's no nickel corner, there's no, there's no db and ain't no goddamn safety that can cover Kyle Pitts one on one. So I'm, to me, obviously, common sense and logic understanding what he can do. He should be able to have games like this consistently, even if even it's not back to. Back to back. Hell, maybe every, every other week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I think, I think I had this game. I think I had this game in 1996. So that just goes to show you talking about damn near 30 years that somebody's had that many yards, 150 plus yards and three touchdowns in the game. Now, you know, your boy, you know, I put the thing together like that now, you know what. Yeah, you know, but, you know, your boy got old and all of a sudden. Plus I had Rod develop and he came along and he. Yeah, he supplanted your boy as the number one. And so I had to go back, go to number two and then get the same opportunities. Kirk Cousins, in his last three games against the Buccaneers, Ocho, he's 3 0, 11, 58 yards, 11 touchdowns, one INT.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

In three games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In three games. So he's basically averaging 300. Ooh, 385 yards a game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's n. Hey, that's nasty work. That's n. That's, that's nasty work. That's. That's good work. And then that's what you want from someone that you're paying that kind of money. Someone that you're paying that kind of money. Obviously he was on the bench, but that's our safety net. That's our safety net. So now I understand, for those who didn't understand why they did it, now you get it when you see him have games like this. Because we used to seeing him have games like this. He was with the Commanders. You saw him have games like this when he was with, when he was in Minnesota. So this is what you get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is also what Mike saw when he drafted him. Remember, they took RG2, RG3.3.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The second pick in the draft. And Mike still took Cousins because he believed that he could run this offense. He processes information very quick. Now, he's not as mobile as you would like west coast quarterbacks. When you look at the old school, west coast quarterbacks. You look at Montana, you look at Young, you look at Elway, you look at Barb, you look. You look at Rod, you look at. You look at the guys. McNabb, you look at guys that play in this system, he's the really the only stationary guy that they have. But because he can get the ball out of his hand extremely quick, because he processes information really, really well. Because that's what you got to do in the West Coast. Because a lot of stuff. Ocho is quick stuff. We run shallow crawls, we run bubble screens. We know things like that. Things that are extension of the run game. Because most west coast teams didn't have a Terrell Davis. They didn't have a guy that could go get you 1700 rush yards in a season. They had guys that could get you a thousand, maybe eleven hundred, but they would also catch you 30, 40, 50 balls like Roger Craig did when he was a thousand and a thousand. That's mostly what the west coast backs are. And you see. Look at Saquon. You see what Saquon did in that west coast, basically that west coast system.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So when you look at it, I was like, okay, but I just. I need somebody. I need somebody to explain it to me. And I ain't talking about no analytics. Because. Because you mofos couldn't play football, y' all try to infringe on the game, saying, this is what you should do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You should not go for effing two when you're down and even score game. I get it if you're down 15, Ocho, I get that. Because you're gonna have to go to go for two at some point.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when you're down and even score, Ocho, you down, you score a touchdown, you kick the path. Guess what, Ocho? I'm down seven.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Score again. Kick a pat. We tied.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And listen, you see the way you just explained that. You see the way you just explained that? Now, I'm not sure if you understand it. Hey, Chad. I'm not sure if you guys are paying attention. We've seen all these different scenarios where there have been lapses in judgment and logic and obviously common sense when it comes to coaching decisions, you know, and again, the knock is coming at the door, but you're not answering it. And you being a coach. Okay, not. Not again. This is another example of you being in a position in. In. In. In allowing the NFL itself and players to have opportunity to be coached extremely well with structure and discipline. That's something that you can provide, but you choose not to answer the call or the knock that's coming at the door. So I'm gonna ask you one more time. Let me know, because I can put it. Hey, no, listen to me. Now that there's a coach, it's a coaching vacancy open down there in Ann Arbor. Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Based on, based on my track record and what just transpired. Nah, they, they, they, they, they. They came to mind and they just go ahead, deny it. They already went ahead and put denied.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, okay.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, looking at Cousins, let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. Let's be real. We can be real here.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How different you think the season would be for the Falcons if Cousins had started instead of Pennix Jr. Oh, you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what, you know that, that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That'S a great one.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a great one. That is a great one. Would it have been any different? How many games could Kirk Cousins have strung along? How many games could he string along back to back that look like this? How consistent because he. Could he have played for the Atlanta Falcons to help when they, when, when the coaches had lapses in judgment and some of the things that, that he did with the team being as undisciplined as they are. Will Kirk Cousin be able to save them every single night when they know his decisions to leave points on the field like they did today but still managed to win the game? How many games can Kirk Cousins save the team when they have 19 penalties for 100 and goddamn some goddamn yards and he has to come save the day and be superman?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I look at it like this. He was the only quarterback that they have on that roster that could have saved them tonight. Yeah, I don't believe Michael Pennix Jr. Win this game. Now with that being said, I don't know if there's. I can't recall a team having this many penalties. I know I've never played on a team that had this many penalties and I can't recall off the top of my head. Ash put this in my notes. The most when the last time somebody had 19 or when did the last time somebody had 20 or more penalties in a game? I can't recall off the top of my head.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ocho still won and still won at that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When I look at it like this, I thought this year would have been a better year if you're going to start for Cousins, because guess what, Ocho, he's a year further past removed from that surgery. So now he's in his second year. So now he feels a little better. Look, his arm is what it is. Ain't nothing wrong with his arm. He doesn't have the strongest arm. He doesn't. But I tell you what, he throws with great anticipation. Now, Bijan Robinson, the one that he caught on third down, bro, all you had to do is do that in the first half. I'm trying to figure out why you pulled up. They played it off. They blew the coverage. The guy retreated and the guy stayed inside. All you gotta do is break away.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or as if you're going to break away and you pull up and he's. He's looking at you like, listen.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, listen. When he. When he look at film, when he look at film, he'd be like, oh, God damn. Oh, God damn. I. I got to be able to read that better. Novice. Once you come off the ball, you can see it because I saw it right, right from jump. Go. Go ahead and. Go ahead and take that thing all the way outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's not zone. It's. Man. No, it's wide open. As it's ready for you. That would have been an easy catch. Easy catch. And you turn right up on the field and get as much as you can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

O. Tonight was the fourth tied for the fourth most penalties in a game by a winning team. The Raiders had 23 penalties in a game and won in 2016. The Browns had 21 penalties and won the game in 1951. The jets had 20 penalties in a game in 2013 and won the game. And the Falcons. Eagles. The Falcons did it tonight, had 19 and won the game. The Eagles had 19 in 1988 and won the game. And the Cowboys had 18 in 2015 and won the game.

[Colgate Representative]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, no, I'm not. Look, look. OO and I are not saying that Kirk Cousins, nobody in the history of the game is going to throw for 376 yards and three touchdowns every game. Even when Peyton Manning threw for 55 touchdowns in the NFL record. He didn't throw for 376 and four, three touchdowns every single game. No, there are some games that he threw for four, some games he threw for one, some games he threw for seven. Understand that. But his ability, Ocho, he did this without Drake London. Yeah, he did this without Drake London. If you could protect him, if you could protect Cousins, and that's always going to be the issue. If, if. And I, I know, look, if it's the largest, smallest word in the English language. Yes, sir. But when he's protected, he is surgical.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he processes information extremely well. Extremely well. You have to get him a quarterback that's stationary. Ocho, if you don't get him off that mark, he'll carve your ass up. Every time you have, you look like. Have you looking like the fake, the Halloween pumpkin. Carve your ass up. And I'm surprised that Tampa's defense gave up the kind of yardage that they did. Now they started trying to blitz him on, on that last drive. They got to him a couple of times. They got the ball out of his hands. About that one time, they hit Cousins in the face and they got him for an intentional grounding, but they hit him in his face before he did an intentional grounding. They didn't call it. You're not going to be able to see everything. I only saw it because they showed it on replay. But the officials, the referee, that's his job. His job to look at the quarterback. But tonight was Atlanta's night. Tonight was Atlanta's night. I was, I was surprised. I was like. And when Bijan fumbled that ball, I was like, bro, yeah, bro, you develop, you, you developing, you're developing a habit you don't want. Because guys are gonna start tackling the ball.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Not worried about you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're not. They're gonna start tackling the ball, bro. That's, that's twice in back to back weeks. You don't. Coughed it up.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Mm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you don't, you don't want. You don't want that problem. You don't want that problem. But the Atlanta Falcons moved to 5 and 9, 29, 28, thanks to a walk up field goal by Zane Gonzalez. And guess what, Ocho, Your team, the Carolina Panthers, are in first place in the NFC side.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, listen, I, I'm. You know what? I'm not even gonna take credit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't gonna take credit?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Nah, you know what? I'm not gonna take credit. I'm just telling you, as a person that watches football that. That. That most people probably wouldn't be the first to listen to when it comes to. To my takes on the game. Unless it has something to do with playing the position of wide receiver or maybe defensive back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, as a whole, you. Based on what? You know, how you played in the league. You know how teams put together. You watch them in the preseason.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You like the additions that they have. You like, you like McMillan, you like, you like Bryce Young. He finally figured it out. You know, hopefully Leggett can, Can. Can. Can get it together. They signed Rico Dowdle, Chuba Hubbard. Defensively, they're really good. Defensively.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. I mean, I. Listen, I. I saw it. I. I saw it, I felt it. And, and they are looking promising and exactly what I said they would be or do. They are that dark horse. So is the other team. Hey, Tony.

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

Hey, Bowen. It's gift season.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, stressing me out. Why are all the people I love so hard to shop for like me? Exactly, honey.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm easy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you're right.

[Matt Rogers]

Holiday gifting is stressful.

[Bowen Yang]

And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.

[Matt Rogers]

Wait, what about the guide we made.

[Bowen Yang]

In partnership with Marshalls, where premium gifts mean incredible value?

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Cause if I see one more for the dad who likes golf list, I'm out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Matt Rogers]

How about something for the people who.

[Bowen Yang]

Actually surprise you with categories like best gifts for the mom whose idea of a sensible walking shoe is a stiletto.

[Tony Jefferson]

Psst.

[Matt Rogers]

She wants a pair of stilettos or best gifts for me that were so thoughtful I really shouldn't have dying to.

[Bowen Yang]

See what those are.

[Matt Rogers]

And you won't believe they're prob.

[Bowen Yang]

Just wait till you see what else is in there. It's basically a one stop shop for everyone.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, I started bookmarking half the list for myself.

[Bowen Yang]

Honestly, this is the guy for the 2025 holiday gifting season.

[Matt Rogers]

Check out the guide on marshalls.com it's.

[Bowen Yang]

Giving gifts gift the good stuff at Marshalls.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what separates the pros from the rest? It's not just talent, it's how you respond when the game gets tough. You dig in, you fight back. And when it comes to your health, that same mindset matters.

[Colgate Representative]

Yeah, especially if you or someone you care about is facing metastatic prostate cancer. There's a treatment called pluvicto lutetium Lou177 vapivotide to traxitan and it's changing the game. Plavicto isn't chemo. It's a different kind of treatment that targets PSMA positive cells, including prostate cancer cells. Plavicto can be used before chemotherapy for some people.

[Matt Rogers]

Here's the official word. Pluvicto is a prescription treatment used to treat adults with prostate specific membrane antigen positive metastatic castration resistant prostate cancer or PSMA positive MCRPC who have already been treated with hormone therapy and are considered appropriate to delay chemotherapy.

[Colgate Representative]

Now let's talk safety. Pluvicto involves contact with radioactivity, which may increase the risk for cancer and cause fetal harm. Drink plenty of fluids, urinate often, use contraception and talk to your doctor about how to reduce the risk of exposing others to radiation during and after treatment. It can also cause low blood cell counts, kidney problems and infertility. Tell your doctor if you notice weakness, pale skin, shortness of breath, bleeding or bruising more easily an infection or changes in urination.

[Matt Rogers]

Side effects include decreased blood cell counts, tiredness, dry mouth, nausea, appetite loss, joint or back pain, and constipation.

[Colgate Representative]

Look, every day matters. And if you're in the fight or know someone who is, this is a conversation worth having. Ask your doctor about Plavicto because just like in football, every play, every decision, every second counts.

[Matt Rogers]

Visit pluvicto.com to learn more. That's P L U V I C-T-O.com.

[Rob Gronkowski]

This is Rob Gronkowski from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and jules. For the second season in a row, I partnered with T Mobile's Friday night 5G lights, powering up hometown football across America. This year, T mobile invested over $4 million in prizes to help schools take their Friday nights to the next level. The votes are in. And now it's time to crown our $1 million grand prize winner. Congratulations to Derrick's high school and Derrick's Arkansas, home of the outlaws and your 2020 5T mobile Friday night 5G lights champion. The Outlaws and their community rallied to help them score a game changing home field upgrade, a Gronk fitness weight room makeover, an epic 2026 tailgate party and a VIP trip to the SEC championship game. To every school that competed, posted and rallied your communities, thank you and to T Mobile for making it all possible. This season may be over, but the story isn't. Stay tuned for season three in 2026. Congratulations again to Derek's high school Outlaws.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we got a very special guest joining us. He had the game winning interception of Jalen Hurts on Monday night Football. Tony Jefferson in year 11, he has four interceptions matching his career total across the previous 10 season. Hey, I mean, is it a different type of glove? I mean, you get LASIK surgery, you wear glasses. How do you have as many interceptions in one season with three. With four game. With four game. With four games to three, four games to play that you had the previous 10 season when you played 170 games.

[Tony Jefferson]

It's that experience, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay.

[Tony Jefferson]

Getting put, putting myself in the right position, you know, game planning, more mature mentally as a football player. And you know, when you see it, when you've seen it all, man, like you, like you recognize stuff like a lot quicker. So I think that's really what it's been, bro, to be honest with you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, when I think about a T, you know, looking at you guys defensively, if I'm not mistaken, you guys are ranked maybe, I think May 4th statistically. And what, what do you, what do you credit, you know, for you guys success on defense and the way you guys are playing this season?

[Tony Jefferson]

It starts from the top. I think it starts from culture, I think.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Tony Jefferson]

The game plan every week, starting from Justin Menor and then trickling down to our secondary coaches, Coach Clink and coach Fuller. Really, they just invest, really. You could tell they, they put their all into the game plan and make it simple for us, you know. You know, each week is different. It's always a different challenge each week and I think they give us the right tools that fit us. And, you know, they also give us the freedom to allow us to make the calls that we feel like is best as. As players out there. That fits us, too. So just being out there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Comfortable, bro. Right? That's dope. That's dope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you. Hold on. In May of 2023, you're like, okay, I'm gonna retire, and I'm gonna go into the scouting department with the Ravens. Then you unretire. What went. What went into the decision? Like, you. Like, you know what? It's time. I think it's time for me to transition and do something else. Was your body beat up or you just felt like, I'm just tired of doing this, getting up, putting my body through this training every day. And then you unretire. What went into those two decisions to make you retire? And then unreal.

[Tony Jefferson]

The decision to retire. Honestly, I had Liz Frank, my. And I was playing in New York. Yeah. And I had a big spring, and I don't know if anybody. That is one of the most painful injuries to have. I didn't get the surgery. I played. I missed nine games, and I played through it, and I was like, there's no way I can go into next season and, like, feel like the player that I felt like I could be. So I had already had conversations with Eric DaCosta, the gym with the Ravens, and we talked about it as. Even as a player, about me, you know, wanting to get into scouting and get into the front office post football. So I already had that lined up, and I felt like it was a good and easy transition for me to be able to do that. And, you know, so I went into that, and as, you know, as a scout, you're grinding a lot of film. All you're doing is watching.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all you do all day.

[Tony Jefferson]

And the more I was watching film and grinding film, I'm like, okay, I'm better. I know I'm better than this dude.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You watch a film of guys, you know, you better be like, hold on. He should be doing this. I should be doing what he doing. Exactly.

[Tony Jefferson]

And then me just being. Me still just being around the game, like. And a bunch of my former teammates were on the team, so, like, I'm still around them, yet I'm working in the front office. So it was like, man, I'm still around it. Like, we had went to the AFC championship that year against the Chiefs, and that my juices were still going and they were flowing. You know, I would be going on the field pre game, and I'm like, sizing up the other team. Like, I still had that in me. So, you know, I went to the Senior bowl as a scout and I was there and I came back home and I was like, I hit up the gym with the race. I'm like, yeah, I'm done. I'm done. I went home, started training. Rest is history.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah. Let me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I ask you this, Tony? And you don't have to like, jump on it, but I was like, when you broke. When you guys look at the Eagles offense, obviously there are some things that you saw that you could take advantage of. When you looked at this offense, what is it that you felt most comfortable? What were you trying to do? Because other than that big run, long run that Saquon had, y' all guys did a pretty good job of bottling him up. What was your game plan? Was it like, okay, we gotta make Jalen throw from the pocket. We want to push him one way or another. Is there anything in particular that you can divulge that you felt that you guys, okay, we gotta beat on him. We think we know what he's gonna do and let's, let's, let's force him to play to a. Yeah, I think.

[Tony Jefferson]

I think, honestly I just felt like, like I said before, from the standpoint of game planning, I felt like we felt comfortable with the matchups that we had, that they were a matchup driven offense. Obviously they want to get the run game going with Saquon, obviously he deserves that respect, but we felt like we were ready for that. And then when we, when we felt like when we were able to get the run stopped, we want. We were ready for Jalen to throw the ball. We liked our matchups. I mean, we had, we had a few pits, few interceptions flying around. Like, we was just confident out there. And like we always say, like, we're the wrong team. You want to play on prime time. Like, we're ready to go check the record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you know, tt, I also have another question. For me watching at home, I, I tell uncle all the time and people in the chat that, that are watching, I'm sure those who have been around the game for a very long time, is it me? And I don't, I don't mean I'm not trying to bash Eagles, because I like the Eagles, you know, especially offensively and what they, what they do on defense, but is it me or is the offense very predictable based on what they're doing, based on alignments, based on down and distance? Isn't it for you, doesn't it make your job a little bit easier based on what you see on film week to week in the game that you watch that they played previously, they show the same exact thing where it's almost. Well, God damn. I just watched this. I just watched this two days ago. And here, come here, come again. That same, that same short motion. Coming in, coming in. Coming in to go out or going out to come in.

[Tony Jefferson]

I, I, I agree with what you're saying. I think they have very strong tendencies.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you mean to tell me they gonna throw. They gonna throw AJ that go ball over here on the left side. Would he two yards. Oh, go ahead.

[Tony Jefferson]

You go. I will say politically correct. You know, they're right, right, okay. They're very strong, have very strong tendencies. And that's something like, like I said, like, I feel like we do a great job with of game planning and really understanding the tendencies. And it trickles down from the top. Let's us play fast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Would your quarterback breaks? He got breaks a bone is non throwing hand. He has surgery on. I think it's Monday, and then he's gonna have to wear a plate and he comes back. What type of energy, what type of juice did that bring? Knowing a guy just had surgery, he's a quarterback, and it's, I mean, he's not gonna be able to do, like, the typical handoff, going to the right. He got a backhanded with his right hand because he can't. You can't open his hand and close his hand like he normally would with his left hand. What did that, what did that mean? I mean, to have your quarterback knowing that, man, this joker just has surgery like a week ago, and he out here on the football field and you know how physically demanding and how mentally tough you got to be to play this game.

[Tony Jefferson]

I, I mean, I just start off with I, I remember seeing him when it happened when in the, in the game. I saw it happen to hit the dude's helmet, and he's doing this. I'm like, oh, yeah. He still finished and completed the game. So they're off rip. I'm like, man, like, that's my qb, man. And then come to find out he gets surgery on, I believe Monday, and dude was out at practice on, like, Wednesday, like, all right, what we doing? Like, got his glove on and, like, slinging. I'm like, bro, you know what? Like that, like that right there is just like, it like, motivates you, especially as a defense. It's like, okay, our QB's out here, like, we're literally with one hand, willing to fight and die on the field. For us, like, it's really something that, like, resonates with you as a defense man. I know specifically for us, like, we really, we took that serious and to heart.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? I don't think there's a better person to ask than you. What is the biggest difference between Jim and John Harbaugh? Coaching, Coaching styles.

[Tony Jefferson]

To be honest, they're really similar. I think, like, both of them are just like pure football guys. It's. Everything is football. You know what I'm saying? If you go up to Coach Gym and you ask him, you're like, hey, Coach, what's up? He'll say football. To him. All their whole family, like, it's about football. And I respect that. I respect it. They're about winning. They take winning serious. And at the same time, they're player coaches. Like, I love both of them. Jim Harbaugh, my current head coach, coming out of high school, that was my very first offer. He was at Stanford. I went to a full contact camp because I didn't do none of the seven on sevens and shorts back then. If it wasn't a full contact camp, I wasn't going. Like, that's how I wanted to go. Hit something, you know what I'm saying? And me and Harbaugh, we connected that way because he felt the way I played. Like, we've always just been fans of each other. So I think they're both similar personality wise. I think I always say John's more. A little like this, a lot more, and Jim's more like this. So, you know, that's really the difference between them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm looking at your last four games. Yeah, you're at the Chiefs this week in. In Kansas City. Then you go to Cowboys at Dallas. Then you get the Texans and you know what their defense represents. And then the. For the division. This might be for the division. The Broncos at home. You got the gauntlet, you guys. Basically, you win this division, you would have earned it.

[Tony Jefferson]

Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt about it. Obviously, this weekend, like, we know we're gonna get the best. The Chiefs, we. We are not full. You know, we are not. Yeah, we understand, you know, their season, up and down. I was born.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You could do. You can deal to death. Blow.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can deal to death. Hey, you can do something that nobody's ever been able to do since Mahome has been. Well, they had last time. They didn't make the playoffs and God knows when but they've been to the AFC Championship. Every year that Mahomes been a starter, not only can you not make sure that you can make sure they don't even make the playoff, there's no chance for them to get to the AFC Championship game. A lot of teams are counting on you, Tony, to deal that death blow.

[Tony Jefferson]

We know. We know we're gonna get their best shot. You know, then we go to Dallas, and then we're at home against the Texas.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We need that.

[Tony Jefferson]

We need that get back. We don't have them last year in the playoffs, so. Ready for that one, too. But yeah, we, bro, we're ready. We're ready. We're licking our costs. We're ready to go play like we're motivated. We're good ball right now. I just got to keep it rolling.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, you guys are playing good ball on both sides of the ball. Obviously, your quarterback just has to be consistent going and going on the back end of the season. Going to the playoffs, you have a superb chance to win the division, and then probably the division game is going to be based on that last game against the Broncos and. And how well you guys play and do. And. I mean, man, y' all boys balling. Man, y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Y' all boys balling. I. I get a joy out of watching you guys play. Not even offensively, seeing what you guys do defensively. You know, I'm. I'm. Even though I was a receiver, I am. I'm a huge fan of back. Back in play, safeties, DBs, and just understanding and knowing what I'm watching and what you guys are doing and what everybody's responsibility is. So it's been a joy to watch all y' all boys.

[Tony Jefferson]

I appreciate that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, y' all got. Y' all got. Y' all inside backers. They're a little undersized, but, boy, they side. They suck. Handling impairment.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we know what Khalil Mack is. Khalil Mack, if you need him to set the edge, he can set the edge. You want him to bull, he can bowl. You want him to rip, you want him arm over arm under, he can do all this. What, 45? What's that? What's that? He's a moan on the other side. Yeah.

[Tony Jefferson]

Hey, Toby. So gangster, bro. I love to bro. Hey, if I'm in this in a bar fight, I want two. I want to leave with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, hey, Tony, congratulations, man, on everything. Hey, you made the right decision, because here's the thing. You gonna have other opportunities to be a Scout, you don't get another whole lot of opportunity. I mean, you're not gonna get that Philip Rivers treatment. You're not gonna get 44. They gonna call your ass to come play safety, okay? So you make sure you get all of that out of your system, because you're never going to find another job to replace what it's like to have that camaraderie in the locker room, on the plane, on the bus, on the practice field. So you make sure this time you get all of that out of your system because you might not be. Might not be as fortunate to get that call back to come back and play it again, man. But congratulations on having a great season, stay healthy, and we look forward to talking to you down the road.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Aat Hey, T, do me a favor. Hey, T, do me a favor. Hey, do me. Tell, tell Quinn Johnston. Tell him I say, keep that going. Finish the season off strong, man. Keep that going, man, and keep that confidence.

[Tony Jefferson]

I'm relay that good looking. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate it, man. Thanks.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho doesn't come as a surprise because I told you this was going to happen. The Tennessee Titans sideline reporter, Will Bowling has been removed from the team's charter flights. Going forward, Bowling shared something that he witnessed on the plane ride of a trip home from Cleveland after week 14. Bowling addressed the situation during his daily radio show and apologized for relaying the story. And that has now understands he should have been considered off the record. Yes. Everything that you. If they're not, if they're not speaking directly to you, it's off the record. Yeah, you don't get to go. You don't get to go on the team playing. Do you know how many reporters have seen things on the team? Fight plane. Well, who's late? Or who's. Maybe there's been a fight. Maybe there have been some, some, some. Some things that shouldn't have been going on because back then we used to have them little portable DVDs and guys be watching things they shouldn't be watching.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, guys be drinking and things of that nature. You keep your mouth shut. Yeah, he gotta learn the hard way. Now you got to fly, find your own way to the city. And guys gonna be like, man, we can't trust old boy. Cause, oh, boy, go. Hey. They're gonna be like, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, listen, they. For one, you give an opportunity to, to, to, to have access, to be around to. To be on those charter flights, and you can't just take everything you see and try to use it. To use it to your Advantage.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you. And make it a story. Now. Now you. Now you outside. No, outside the window, looking. Peeking through the blinds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now, I'm not even sure whether he. I mean, for years, going forward, were they probably. Were they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Were they probably not. He probably won't be allowed on. He probably will not be allowed back on the plane.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now you. Now you done messed up. Yeah, you done messed up. You done messed up. A good opportunity just to have a story.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Everything. Oh, I'll give you a prime example. I. I remember Peyton Manning's first year. Was his first year. Yeah. First year in Denver.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're doing a story and I watch him practice.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He hadn't had this all year. He's throwing with a glove.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Oh, it was cold, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But remember he had that nerve damage, but prior to that he'd been throwing bare handed.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I see him, he's practicing with a glove. I see all these gloves in his locker. It would have been nothing for me to take a pair. He got 20 of them in his locker.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Put them in my bag and says, guys, this is what Peyton Manning is going to be throwing the football with today. It's been a great story. Shannon breaks newspaper Manning, and sure enough, he comes out there throwing like. Oh, but nah, bro, everything ain't meant. Ain't meant to be said. Yeah, yeah, everything. Plus, that is my team. Until they trust me, I got free reign. Don't. So I go anywhere I want to. I know the code. I punch the code. Hey, they don't let me in. I punch the code and go in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to go. I go upstairs. I go to Mr. Boland's office. I go walking around, I'm in. Coaches. I mean, I go to John Fox. I go to John. I go everywhere I see.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So. So we the same. The. With the access you have in. In. In Denver is the same way I am down there in Cincinnati. Yeah. And the funny thing about it, you know, I think, why we have that access the way you do. And. And for me, it's always. Arms are always open and welcome because I don't take advantage of it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I only go there maybe twice a year. Maybe twice a year. You know that. That's it. And I think if. Think. I think if knowing the access that I do have and the love that they do show in that stadium where I can go from top to bottom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I can go anywhere I want, anywhere. If I did it all the goddamn time, they'd be like, all right, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you Abuse.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me take that back on. I used to be able to do that. I ain't got that. I don't have that access anymore now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. I don't go back. They invite me back for alumni things and.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Bron. You know, the super bowl teams and stuff like that. When guys get to go to the ring of. Go to the ring of honor. I haven't been back. I have a great relationship. I met the Waltons. I met the Pinners. I met all of them. They were great to me. Yeah. Had a great conversation. But I don't know them like I knew Mr. Boland. I would like to get to know them. You know, maybe I take some time and I go back and. And, you know, sit down and have a conversation with them.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I'm like you, Ocho. I'm never gonna wear out my welcome. Even though I had the access that I had, I didn't go back and take advantage of it. You know, I would go back when they invited me, but when it came time for the super bowl, you damn best believe. Hey.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. You was there. Yeah. So, hey, listen. Hey. You know, I'm excited. You know, I'm excited. So, obviously, most of the time, I was doing one year. Well, since. Since I retired. One game a year. I always made it. Made it out to one game a year. This will be the first year since I retired. And what was that? I mean, since they left there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Since I left where I'm.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Where I'm going to a second game, right? I'm going to a second game. Obviously, I'm not counting the Ravens game. I'm not counting the Ravens game, right. You know, Thursday night on Thanksgiving, right? But this Sunday, I'm going back. I'm going back for the Ravens game. And I mean, it's just. Just what? The. The warmth and the welcome and the grace that they've shown me when I am no longer any value to you. I'm no longer any value to you. And they still treat me that. That. Whether it be the fans, whether it be ownership, Zach Taylor, whether it be the players with open arms, it's like I'm. I'm. And the fact that they still treat you like that when you're no longer of any value, right. I'm not on the payroll, right. I'm not on the payroll. I've been waiting there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think. I think the fans appreciate that. Fans. Fans. Know who. Guys that really cared, that played their ass off, that gave everything they possibly had. Left nothing on the field. And when they left, they're like, you know what? We got everything Shannon Sharp had. We ain't never had to worry about 84 because we know a fold was gonna give it to us.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It became difficult, Ocho, because I worked. I worked at. I worked at CBS for a decade. So how am I gonna get. I'm in New York. How am I gonna get back? They. I went back when they put me into the Ring of fame in 2009. I went back again in 2011 when they put me. I got my. Received my ring for the hall of Fame. But I. It was hard for me to get back. Cause I'm working. I can't. Hey, you know what? You know, the Broncos really wanted me to come back. Now I can't miss work like that. And then I started working at a. At Fox for Undisputed for seven years. And it was hard. And I went back. I think I went back once. But it's really hard ojo to go back when I gotta watch all these games and I miss one game. And even though, you know they got it on, you know, Mr. B, like, oh, you know, Shannon Sharpie, what game you want to watch? And I was like, don't Worry about it, Mr. B. So it's really hard. It. I can't. It's hard for me to talk about something, Ocho, if I don't see it right. I need to see it so I can tell you the interest, intricacies of what actually happened. The design of the play to make up the defense, X, Y, and Z. So that's a real. That's really the main reason I don't really attend events when other events are going on, because I need to be able to tell you what actually happened.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like. And speaking of being able to tell you what actually is going to happen, I'm gonna tell you your Raven's gonna lose again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah, there you go.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm just. I'm just saying every game I'm in attendance to. You do understand. I went to the Thursday night game, Joe Burrow's first game back. You see what happened? You see what happened, right?

[Rob Gronkowski]

And.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And this. I got another. I got your Raven. I got you. I got your boy, you know, you Ravens fan. I got butter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm not sure if you've seen some of the clips that. That butter makes some time. I have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, listen.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Butter stay way in Seattle. I didn't got butter a ticket, right? Yeah, I got butter ticket. I'm talking About. He's a huge Ravens fan. He fly in tomorrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He flying. Yeah, he flying to Cincinnati tomorrow. I'm gonna meet him out there Friday evening. And I'm. Allow him to see greatness in person.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I want him. I want him to see greatness in person. I want. I want him to be able to. I want him to be. Because he. He streams and increased content. I want his content to be authentic and organic.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I want.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right there. I want. I want him right there front and center, you know, watching the Ravens lose, you know, and. And I want him to cry. I want. I want him to cry so we can see. I don't, you know, you know, one thing about it. It's very hard for me to talk about people. It's very difficult for me. I can be. I can be critical.

[Tony Jefferson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I can critique players, but I want to see 77 person. I wanted to see 77 in person and to see why Lamar is going to be frustrated, why he's going to get sacked, why he's going to be running for his life. And the Bengals are coming away with another win and one step closer to winning the AFC North. That hasn't gone in our favor all season long.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but for this gentleman, Ocho, I don't know. He's got to be young because no veteran reporter would ever do something like this.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You think. You think he's young?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's got to be young. I mean, I'm not saying he's. I'm not maybe in age wise, but it'd be interesting to know how long he's been in this capacity doing this job. That's. That's understood. Oh, so we got. We got women on the plane. I mean, we used to have women reporters. Lynn De Bruin, rest her soul. Lynn was great. She was great. She would always come to me. I was like, lynn, do you not have. She's like, michelle, you're gonna give it to me straight. I know, but somebody else might give it to you straight to. You don't want to get it from them. But she was. She was always. She was always great, and we were always respectful. And I made sure guys were respectful of her, especially women. Sage Steele, her first job was with the rape, you know, as a reporter. Was with the rape.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And all that. That, you know, stuff that, you know, she's obviously, she's attractive. No, but we're not gonna do that. That lady finna do her job, and we're gonna allow her to do her job, and we're going to Be professional. Yeah, that's what we gonna do. She'll tell you. Ask her. She'll tell you. No, we're gonna be professional. We. We. That's not the way we do things. Right. But on the plane, Ocho, you like, look, we did. We gamble. We played car for money, and then, you know, obviously, they got to go to the bathroom. Ocho. They couldn't go to first class because that's where the coaches were, so they had to come by, and we move out the way, and Mike Just say, 84. Can we not gamble on the plane? You know, hey, y', all, get to the room, have at it. You play your card. You know, play cards, roll your dice. But can we not? Okay, done. Now, the only thing that I really got. I don't really get mad at.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Mad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Animals get mad. Humans get upset. I don't really get upset because Mike was like. Mike was like. Obviously he let the vets handle the stuff, and we did a great job. I think the. The committee. The commute. The committee that was in charge. I thought we did a very good job.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of dealing with stuff before it got big enough to be that Mike would have to intervene.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike said it was brought to his attention, and I know who told him. The flight attendants did. Oh, so you remember the. The portable DV chat. I know y' all remember the portable DVDs.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, the big. It was kind of big. A little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. A little thick at the bottom. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And they flip up. Yeah, yeah. Hey, what y' all were watching. What y' all were watching.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They know y'. All. First of all, I had one, but, man, y' all know my personality. I'm gonna be Joaning on the plane. I'm gonna be talking about what you wore, what you wore on the play and how that's good and terrible, and I'm gonna tear your ass up once we get on the second team bus. So you make sure you get. Nah, nah, man. Everybody want to go on bus one. If they got on some bull drive, they want to go on bus one. Because that's the bus Mike on. Yeah, they don't want no smoke. Yeah, yeah. They know we're not gonna.

[Rob Gronkowski]

We can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can't. Get. Get your ass on bus, too, man. Sean, what bus you on? Getting on bus, too. Mike asked it. Look, guys, it's been brought down. Been brought to my attention, okay? Guys are watching stuff that you shouldn't be watching.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like what? What they can't watch.

[Colgate Representative]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, them jokers be watching spanks in the hotel, we call it Spankshank Vision.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What the hell is that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chad, tell Ocho. What?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, ain't nobody. Oh, hey, Spanksh vision. What the heck? That. Never heard of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's when you watch them more dirty movies.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, you talking about like Debbie Does Dallas.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yo, no, but, Ocho, the flight attendants come in giving you food and walking up and down as you do want anything to drink. They walking by, pushing the car. They see that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. See, they got their eyes in the wrong place. They need to mind their business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look here. You know, you walking up and down. It's just like you walking up and down. You go to the bathroom and somebody. Somebody filling out their thing. You what you gonna see it. It's just the way it is. Ain't nobody walking straight ahead. You're not looking to your left. You're not looking to your right. You walking straight ahead.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Mike said, look, guys, I don't try to tell you guys what to do. You grown men. But let's not do this.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. You right. You right. You right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that. Hey, them boy watching that thing on that plane. I'm coming back home, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, I slammed that thing. I slammed somebody. I think I broke it it. I said to see, cuz, here's the thing. O way I look at it, you know how coaching is. Yeah. Somebody jump off size, we all got to run. I a do nothing. As a matter of fact, I wasn't even in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we got to run. So if. If that gets out again, what Mike going to do? Mike going to punish everybody, right n you not f to mess it up because you can't control your behavior. That's not going to happen Happen. So that's where, you know, man. Bro, the man told you. I mean, think about it. We get what we want. We get free. We get free. We get free movies. Everybody got a free movie. Whatever you want to watch. I want. I mean, me and Burns, I watch Player Club. I bet y' all watch players club 25, 30 times. Two year, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, Bernie Matt was a fool in that, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just. I just didn't want guys to mess it up. One person person or two people to mess up for 50. So, you know, sometimes you have to, like, bro, come on now. You have to, you know, but on the plane, bro, you can't talk about. You can't as a reporter.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, you're right. You're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even me now knowing what I know. I know. Look, I make calls here and there. I just let it go. I just let it go. Ocho. I don't say nothing. I know a lot of things that have transpired, be it NBA, be an NFL. That ain't what I do. I just let people think I'd just be talking out my, you know and.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Don'T and don't know what you're talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But guess who know what I'm talking about? The people that I'm talking about?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

That'S who know what I'm talking about.

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Colgate Representative]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Colgate Representative]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Colgate Representative]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Kate Max]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Kate Max]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Kate Max]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Kate Max]

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[Colgate Representative]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

So what I'm really excited about is to be part of that change.

[Bowen Yang]

So listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kate Max]

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