Nightcap - Hour 1: Rockets Force Game 7 vs. Warriors + Gregg Popovich Steps Down as Spurs Coach

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary: "Nightcap - Hour 1: Rockets Force Game 7 vs. Warriors + Gregg Popovich Steps Down as Spurs Coach"

Release Date: May 3, 2025

In this compelling episode of Club Shay Shay’s "Nightcap," NFL legend Shannon Sharpe teams up with NBA Hall of Famer Robert Horry to dissect the intense Game 7 showdown between the Houston Rockets and the Golden State Warriors. Additionally, the conversation delves into the impactful career of Gregg Popovich as he steps down as the San Antonio Spurs' coach after nearly three decades. This summary captures the essence of their in-depth discussions, insightful analyses, and heartfelt memories.

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Introduction and Guest Welcome

Shannon Sharpe warmly welcomes listeners to another episode of "Nightcap," setting the stage for a deep dive into one of the most anticipated NBA playoff matchups. Joining him is Robert Horry, a five-time NBA champion renowned for his clutch performances and veteran expertise.

Shannon Sharpe [03:43]:
"You all know I've been loving from his stint with the Lakers and the San Antonio Spurs. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, big shot Bob, Mr. Robert Horry. Thanks for joining us, man."

Game 7 Showdown: Rockets vs. Warriors

The primary focus of the episode is the pivotal Game 7 between the Houston Rockets and the Golden State Warriors. Shannon and Robert delve into the game’s dynamics, highlighting the Rockets' resilience and strategic plays that forced this decisive matchup.

Shannon Sharpe [05:20]:
"When you play on the road and you're trying to force a game seven, your stars need to step up, but you also rely on unexpected contributors."

Analyzing the Rockets' Performance

The conversation turns to the Rockets' standout performances, particularly emphasizing Fred VanVleet’s and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s contributions. Robert commends the team for their balanced approach and the crucial role played by Stephen Adams.

Robert Horry [06:39]:
"You know, the one thing you can't teach is size. Stephen Adams was the difference maker because he got rebounds, kept possessions alive, and blocked shots."

Shannon echoes this sentiment, noting the depth of the Rockets' bench and how it fortified their gameplay.

Shannon Sharpe [07:22]:
"I thought the bench was outstanding for the Houston Rockets tonight. They got 32 big points from the reserves, which was a game changer."

Warriors' Strategy and Challenges

Shannon and Robert critique the Warriors' strategies, particularly focusing on Coach Udoka’s implementation of zone defense. They discuss how this approach impacted key players like Stephen Curry and Jimmy Butler, stressing the need for more consistent performance from the Warriors' supporting cast.

Robert Horry [11:18]:
"Steph's shooting was off tonight. 16 from three didn't cut it. The Warriors need to tighten up their defense and rely more on their starters."

The Impact of Stephen Adams

A significant portion of the discussion centers around Stephen Adams' pivotal role in the Rockets' victory. Robert highlights Adams' physicality and defensive prowess as invaluable assets against the Warriors' agile lineup.

Shannon Sharpe [12:44]:
"They put a lot of pressure on them. They shot 46 free throws, and 16 of those were from Stephen Adams. He was relentless."

Future Implications for Both Teams

The dialogue shifts to the prospective outcomes for both the Rockets and Warriors. Shannon emphasizes the Warriors’ need to enhance their offensive efficiency and support from bench players to prevail in Game 7.

Shannon Sharpe [14:49]:
"For Game 7, the Warriors need Curry to be more efficient and Butler to step up. They can't rely solely on their starters."

Gregg Popovich's Retirement and Legacy

Transitioning from the intense game analysis, Shannon and Robert reflect on Gregg Popovich’s illustrious coaching career. Robert shares personal anecdotes that highlight Popovich’s genuine nature and his unwavering support during challenging times.

Robert Horry [44:51]:
"Pop was genuine. When my daughter was sick, he told me not to come back until she was out of the hospital. That’s the kind of person he is—family first."

Shannon emphasizes Popovich's impact on players’ lives beyond the court, showcasing his mentorship and the deep respect he earned from his team.

Shannon Sharpe [49:45]:
"Everybody talks about the relationship he had with Duncan because Duncan was the linchpin. If you can coach Tim Duncan hard, you can coach everyone else hard."

Memorable Clutch Moments

Robert reminisces about his clutch moments, sharing his favorite game-winning shots and the emotions tied to them. These reflections serve to underscore the high stakes and pressure of Game 7 scenarios.

Robert Horry [33:09]:
"You don’t think about anything when taking a clutch shot. It's second nature because of all the reps you put in during the gym."

Comparative Insights on NBA Legends

The hosts engage in a lively discussion comparing NBA legends like Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, and Tim Duncan. Robert passionately defends the prowess of his peers, highlighting their unique skills and contributions to the game.

Shannon Sharpe [59:22]:
"Why didn't Shaq win more MVPs? He was so dominant and athletic. You're never gonna feel Shaq the way you did back then."

Closing Thoughts and Reflections

As the episode draws to a close, Shannon and Robert summarize their key points, reiterating the Rockets' strategic excellence and the Warriors' areas needing improvement. They also pay tribute to Gregg Popovich's enduring legacy, celebrating his monumental contributions to the NBA.

Shannon Sharpe [63:12]:
"Tim Duncan had one of the great games, nearly a quadruple-double in an NBA Finals game. Moments like that define a player's legacy."

Conclusion

This episode of "Nightcap" offers a rich blend of game analysis, personal anecdotes, and strategic insights. Shannon Sharpe and Robert Horry provide listeners with an engaging narrative of NBA's high-stakes playoffs while honoring the timeless legacy of one of basketball's greatest coaches, Gregg Popovich.

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Notable Quotes:

• Robert Horry [06:39]:
  "Stephen Adams was the difference maker because he got rebounds, kept possessions alive, and blocked shots."

• Shannon Sharpe [12:44]:
  "They put a lot of pressure on them. They shot 46 free throws, and 16 of those were from Stephen Adams. He was relentless."

• Robert Horry [44:51]:
  "Pop was genuine. When my daughter was sick, he told me not to come back until she was out of the hospital. That’s the kind of person he is—family first."

• Shannon Sharpe [59:22]:
  "Why didn't Shaq win more MVPs? He was so dominant and athletic. You're never gonna feel Shaq the way you did back then."

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This detailed summary encapsulates the essence of the "Nightcap" episode, providing listeners with a comprehensive overview of the discussions surrounding Game 7 between the Rockets and Warriors, along with heartfelt reflections on Gregg Popovich's storied coaching career.

Transcript

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[Robert Horry]

The Volume.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. If you play, if you love sports that has a series, the most important words you can have. Game seven. Everybody loves game seven. If you're a basketball, baseball, hockey, something that has a series in the playoffs, Game 7 is where it's at. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, I'm your favorite unc. Shannon Sharpe, my partner and co host of Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of fame artery, the pro bowler all pro, laced out like he just got off a plane from Hawaii. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And the guy that's joining us tonight, five time NBA champ, big shot Bob from the University of Alabama, Houston Rocket, Phoenix. He had a little brief stay over there. Yeah, I mean he had a cup of coffee in Phoenix, but yeah, you all know I've been loving from his stint with the Lakers and the San Antonio Spurs. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, big shot Bob, Mr. Robert Oring. Thanks for joining us, man.

[Robert Horry]

Thanks for having me. But you know what, I gotta correct you, dog. You shortchanged me, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Seven. I forgot about that. I forgot about the Rockets. I was just thinking about the Lakers and the Spurs. You kicked it off way, way before this.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah. You know, like my favorite saying, one more than your favorite player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Robert Horry]

You know, the one thing you can't teach is size. And I say that all the time. You know, you just. Your favorite team just went down because they elected not to use their size. And when you got a small team, Golden State is a small team. And you know, and we know how strong Draymond is, but he ain't strong as Stephen Adams. And Stephen Adams, he be carving out that room. He be grabbing rebounds, be pushing people out. The way he's an enforcer. When you got guys, if you look at this Rockets team, outside of Dylan and Ray Shingoon, they all little guys. And so you need protectors out there on that floor. And that's what Stephen Adams is. You know, Shit, you look at Ja, Ja's missing that right now. So you need a guy like that, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you looking at this, and I thought Jabari Smith Jr. He made like two or three buckets with the shot clock winding down. He had two big threes. He was 1 3. He got up off the floor, there was a scramble for the ball. Brad Fleet gets it and kicks it Back he gets up off the floor. Hell, I thought it was Ray Allen for just a second. Not to scale of the game, but he gets up off the floor and he cans A3. As Golden State was trying to make their move, trying to create a turnover. I thought the bench was outstanding for the Houston Rockets tonight. I think they got 32, 32 big points. No. 16, 33, 36 big points from the bench. The guys played really well, the starters played well. Brooks got in foul trouble and Udoka didn't have a choice but to send him to the bench. But I thought their backups played extremely well. Your role players, you got what you expected from Van Fleet. Outside of that first two games. He's been light side rock from the three point line. He's been going crazy, I mean crazy. And then you got Shingoon, he's an all star for a reason. He gave you that. And then you get Adams coming off the bench and giving you what he gave you. They got a lot of confidence cause they won back to back games. They forced the game six, now they forced the game seven. The warriors have their work cut out for them. They went cold in that fourth quarter to start. They couldn't get anything to fall and, and a lead that was what, three, four points all of a sudden went to 12 and the Rockets didn't let off the gas. And they did look back. Ocho, you Warriors. Yeah, I thought Steph had it go. He got got hot there for a second, him and Jimmy. Yeah, but they didn't get enough from the auxiliary players.

[Unknown]

Hey man, listen. The warriors, the stars showed up. They showed up. Obviously we didn't, we didn't see the Steph Curry we're used to seeing. Obviously he had 29 points, but it took 23 shots to get there. Jimmy Butler had 27. But listen, some goon, but young bull, special. Young bull is special. And Van Fleet showed up tonight and did what he needed to do at being the veteran presence that the Rockets do have. Listen, them young boys, them young boys look like they wanted it more. The intensity they played on both sides of the floor. Spacey was really good. And that goddamn Stephen Adams, listen, he was probably the difference maker. When you talk about the size in which the Rockets have and how small, how small the warriors are, I think it comes down to making more shots because those, those, those, those second, those second. What do you call it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The second chance points?

[Unknown]

The second attempt.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Bingo. That's, that's what you're trying to say. The second attempts that the Rockets had is a reason why they won the game. And obviously, them playing with a little bit more fire, like they wanted a little bit more. Even though the experience of the warriors, who have been in positions like this before and had the experience with the Draymonds, you know, the Jimmy Butlers, that it used to be in. In playoff atmospheres, them young Bulls look like they wanted more. And listen, like you say, unc, they got their stuff cut out for them having to travel. Now they got to go to goddamn Houston and seal the deal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is it you gotta believe? What? What? What? They never. Rudy. Rudy T. Never underestimate the heart of a champion. I don't know if these Rockets are the champions, but that's what. Rudy TT I think the thing is that when they went to that big lineup, because Draymond is undersized, you can't play Looney because he give you nothing on offense. Post wasn't hitting any shots, so you can't play him. So you really tried to say, draymond, I need you to keep 7 foot, 300 pounds, Steven Adams off the glass. I need you to keep 6, 10, 6, 11, Shingoon off the glass. You're asking too much. And you see, they started to wear them down over and over, over and over again. Second chance points. They did a great job of finding Shingoon in the high post. And then guess what? He take one dribble, he drops it off to Stephen Adams, a dunk. Or he drops it off, he finds Thompson for a layup. He played extremely well tonight. I expected Van Fleet because they got to do something with VanVleet, because he's walking in, shooting, shoot around threes. He's feeling that comfortable.

[Robert Horry]

You know, for me, I knew WAR was in trouble from jumping because anytime you change your lineup, yeah, that's like a sign to the other team, like, oh, we don't know what to do with you right now. The Rockets, you know, they're. When you that young, anything can give you emotion, give you spark, give you energy. They over there like, oh, we got them. They scared. They changed their lineup.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Robert Horry]

And you think about this. They changed a lot. And look what happened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They get Peyton Jr. In there because they wanted somebody to slow Van Pete down.

[Robert Horry]

Why, you know, don't. Why change it? Like, because you just talked about offense. You know, that's no offense right there. And then you got Buddy Hill. We all know Buddy Hill's not a defensive player, but the one thing that Kerr is going. He's going to do the same thing that JJ Reddick did and bite himself in the butt with it by not playing Kaminga. Because you need size and you need athleticism to go up against this Rocket. Because they're young and athletic. Yeah. Cause you mad at this dude. I don't know what's going on. If you curse him out or something, he won't play him. But this is your third leading scorer on the team. He was his second leading scorer on the team until you got Butler, but now you're not playing him. So I don't know what's going on right there. But that's going to cost them in this series because now you done gave the Rockets all type of energy and they gonna go back and probably win this series because you elected do some dumb stuff like in Game four, I mean, Game five and game and tonight, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, go ahead.

[Unknown]

Before you go, what I think, what I think for the warriors, obviously, going into Game seven, what's going to have to happen regardless of what the Rockets do? I think it's going to have to be Jimmy Butler and it's going to have to be Curry. Curry's going to have to be a little bit more efficient from the field to overcome all the things that the Rockets do. Whether they go big, whether they go small. The only thing to do is put the goddamn ball in the bucket and have more points and just hope. Just hope, whatever you can do. You got to lean on Curry. That's the only. That's the only way. That's the only way Game seven going. Going into. I don't know what stadium it is that the Rockets play in in Houston.

[Robert Horry]

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[Unknown]

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[Robert Horry]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing is, I like what Udoka did. He went to a zone, and every time Steph got the ball, they trapped him. They said, nah, bro, I don't care if you're at the timeline, we gonna get that ball out of your hands. Somebody else is going to beat us. We don't believe in a moment like this here because, you know, there's a difference between hitting shots in game 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Cause this is an opportunity for advance. And now you're going to. Like Ocho said, you're going to have to rely a little bit more on Curry and Butler, because a lot of these guys haven't been in moments like this. Draymond has, but I'm not counting on Draymond to give me a whole bunch of points. I'm counting on him to give me somewhere between Four and eight points. He'll give you six, seven rebounds, five, six, seven assists. That's what I'm expecting for him. But your production is going to have to come from Jimmy Butler and Steph Curry, guys that have been in this moment. But I thought Udoka did a great thing. He went to the zone. He said, look, do not get back picked because they're going to try to come and sit that backpick and have Curry floating. And they kept their eyes on him. They gave up a couple of backdoor cuts because, you know, I got eyes on Steph and guys snuck behind him. Draymond got one, Jimmy Butler got one. A couple of guys got. But I give you that. The one thing I don't want to have happen is Steph Curry hit a couple of threes, and he hit a couple early, and he got the crowd into the game. I want to keep the crowd at bay as long as I possibly can. And then the longer you kept them at bay, and then come the fourth quarter, they couldn't buy a bucket. Steph had some great looks, Jimmy Butler had some great looks, and it just wouldn't go down for him. But hey, yeah.

[Unknown]

Hey, Unc. Hey. Hey, Rob. I mean, you could probably attest to this, obviously being in that situation. I consider pressure situations, obviously, playing in the playoffs, going into a game seven. But one of the things just from. From me watching from the naked eye, two, three things that the warriors can clean up for one, the turnovers. They had 16 turnovers a night. They get fouling. They had goddamn near 30, 30 fouls. And then under pressure, let's say he may goes to zone again in game seven. Relax. Tighten up under pressure. Relax. Continue to run your offense, to do things in a relaxed manner. And if they trap, if they. If they trap Curry, every time you get the ball, everybody else, including the supporting cast, you got to hit your shots. Yeah, you got to hit your shots when it matters most.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah. You know, Steph got to hit his shots to six or 16 from three ain't going to cut it. You know, sometimes I know Steph is considered the best shooter ever played his game. A lot of his threes to me were bad threes. I know he said, oh, that's not a bad three for Curry, but you can. Tonight was bad threes. You can get off the ball because you move so much and the Rockets only gonna play defense for so long, you can get a better shot. You know, that's one thing about in the playoffs, and I'm always harping on, do you want an okay shot, a good shot, or a great shot. I know every time Steph touches the ball from anywhere in the gym, it's usually a somewhat great shot. But when you got a long defensive team like the Rockets, those turn into good shots. I don't care how great of a shooter you are. And for me, that's one of the things they got to do. And for me, Draymond got to keep his cool because you don't know the little antics you do, that adds to the other. Adds to the other team spark, too. And so for me, he going into Houston, you know, they're going to be booing him. He's going to get amped up. He's going to have to play under control. Jimmy Butler's going to have to play under control, but they're going to have to go back to their starting lineup, because that's the rhythm they have. Because when you got a guy like Jimmy Butter who just came into your season and you change the lineup on him, that can affect him. Because now, okay, how do I play with this dude? I just learned how to play with this guy. It's little intricacies like that that coaches don't think about, that players need to know, because I know, like, I know what route you're going to run on the quarterback, and that's what. And think about that. Now Jimmy's out there being the quarterback, and all of a sudden you got a guy that's not going to run to his point. Meaning, you know, it's like, okay, what I do now, it messes up the rhythm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I. I think.

[Unknown]

Hey. Hey, Rob.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead, Ocho.

[Unknown]

Now, I was just gonna ask Rob, obviously. Listen, you can attest to this, especially in a game situation like this, and you got an athletic player that can match up very well against the Rockets. Do you think Kerr plays Kaminga this game a little bit more, being that he.

[Robert Horry]

No, no, I don't think he's going to play him at all. I don't know what that situation is, but it's been bad, you think about it, since three games left in the season, he had. He played him and he played him on. The reason the other night, because he needed someone. And, you know, you think about if he didn't play him tonight, and then in garbage minutes to try to let him get some type of rhythm, he probably won't play him in game seven.

[Unknown]

So you rather. What does it. You know, despite. He rather. Despite whatever situation they got going on, you rather chance losing game seven based on what you saw tonight and not make the necessary changes they give you, give your team the best chance to win.

[Robert Horry]

Hey, I wouldn't do it. I've been playing them regardless. Because, you know, for me, when you. That talent, that athletic, I know you got to play them, man, so many coaches get pissed off at players and like, oh, I'm going to show you no right, you showing yourself because you only hurt your team. And, you know, and I think that's one of the mistakes that coaches make, you know, and it's just hard for me to fathom that you rather have your pride get in the way of you getting the dub.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, well, look, we've all played the sport for a long time, and coaches would rather lose their way than win some other way.

[Robert Horry]

It's just the way it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the part of coaching is coaching. Sometimes you're like, okay, this is what we're going to do. But a really good coach say, well, you know what? That ain't working. That wasn't my original plan, but let me try to find something else to go instead of being bullheaded. Well, I said I wasn't going to play this guy. Well, I'm not playing this guy. It doesn't work like that. If you're going to be a coach, you got to be a coach at all times. And sometimes you have to swallow your pride as a player, as a coach, whatever the case may be, in order to get the victory. And I thought tonight, you know, yeah, I agree with you. Rob him changing the lineup. Because even if you put. When you put Peyton in, yeah, you get defense, but the floor is not spaced as much as when you got positive in there. So now all of a sudden, the floor is a little bit more condensed. Yeah, you might get a little bit more on ball pressure with Van Fleet, but what you're giving up on the other end, because you want as much space as you possibly can for your shooters, like a Steph, like a Buddy Hill, like a Pod Zimski. But now it's condensed. Draymond. Draymond is not a threat. They'll give Drake, if you notice, like the last three games. Jeremiah, take the first shot. They'll give him that three. You're not gonna make enough of those to put fear. Ain't nobody gonna say aid. Get a hand up. Don't even worry about it. Let him have that. Let him have that shot. I'm not getting. I don't want Oprah looks for Steph. I don't want open looks for Buddy Hill and Pozinski but here's the thing.

[Robert Horry]

He gave you zero tonight, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Buddy gave you nothing. You said Steph. I think the stain. What makes Steph so dangerous and how he gets the crowd in is when that he takes those shots from 25, 30ft away, and it's a bad shot for everybody else. And it goes in. Not only does it gets the crowd going, it gets him going. So now he sees it goes in after he's taken a shot, and he turns and goes down before the ball goes through the net. Boy, you're in trouble. You're in trouble when that start happening, because he feels it. And now there is no bad shot. If he see a couple of them things go in, Rob ain't no bad shot for him the rest of the night.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah, but if they don't go in, he's 6 foot 16.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He needed. Look, you got great production from him and Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler, 12 or 14 from the free throw line. That's what Jimmy does. He's going to put pressure on you now. He's going to attack. They needed one other player. Draymond gave him eight. Buddy gave him nothing. GP the second game gave him five points. That's not enough. I thought Moody. I thought Moody would get more minutes because he came in here, some big threes. I thought Moody would get more minutes, Rob, than what he. Then the 20 minutes that he got, 22.

[Robert Horry]

You know what's weird? Because Moody has been playing very well in this series. You think about, you want a guy that's going to give you 12 to 13 points and is active like he is, and he hasn't gotten as much play as I thought he would. You know, for me, you're going to start. Keep him in the starting lineup. Do something. Let Buddy Hill, who's been coming off the bench all year, keep coming off the field off the bench. And it's just one of those things where Steph, yo, we know this is your arena. We know it's your league. But sometimes defer. You know, I play with a lot of grace. And them mugs, sometimes they come down like, yo, if you knocking out the shots, I ain't taking no shots. You carry us. And that's one of the things that Jimmy Butler's really good at, too, because he can get it going and he would defer to other people. But that's one thing about Steph, though. Steph is not a guy that really defers because he doesn't have to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Robert Horry]

But I think when he goes in Houston and that Houston crowd and he not knocking on them shots. He's going to have to be a facilitator because he ain't gonna be able to do it on his own. You know, people forget the Rockets are a defensive team because you got IME back there. You got a lot of guys that know how to play defense. They're long athletics, so you're gonna have to share the basketball if they want to try to come back and win this series.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you got Thompson, who's who's long and athletic. Dylan Brooks is known as the defensive stopper. Eason, Stephen Adams, I mean they got guys that can pressure the basketball. But if I I'm doing everything I possibly can to not let step get going early in that game. 7. Yeah, that's the last thing I want to do, have like 1012 points in the first quarter. Now he gets an extended rest for the second because you got to think about it. Tonight he played 42 minutes. Steph don't normally play those kind of minutes.

[Robert Horry]

That's a lot of minutes for a guy that his age. People talk about LeBron, how he runs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause he's perpetual motion. He's not a guy that's taking a lot of break because he has to work. He's working to get his shot. So he's from sideline to baseline to baseline.

[Robert Horry]

And then you forget. It's not two games, two rest days. No, he's off play. So he only got one day arrest, 24 hours back on that court. So that's. And then he gotta fly. Yeah. So. Yeah, and it's a three hour flight, maybe four because you might not take off in San Francisco with all that damn fog sometimes. So you can't get out of there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fred Van Fleet in his lap What'd you say, Ocho? You said something?

[Unknown]

No, I was. I was going to say the good thing. The good thing about Steph, the chance of him having a game like this, like tonight, where it takes him so many shots to even get to 29, 27, whatever points he had, he ain't going. He ain't going to double that. Yeah, he not going to have another game like that. I think he's going to be much more efficient. Buddy Hill probably going to be much better. And they. They probably going to get Buddy Hill. Buddy Hill going early. And I really. For some reason. I don't know why, but Kurt really understand it. I'm sure Draymond and maybe Steph will probably talk to Kerr, but with great understanding. We need a little bit more help. We need a little bit more size. You know, you got to do something and get Kaminga in there some kind of way where we be sitting at home in goddamn Cancun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought the Rockets.

[Robert Horry]

One thing, they did, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They put a lot of pressure on them. They shot 46 free throws, Bob. They shot 46 free throws. It's been a while since I seen the team shoot 46 free throws, but 16 of those went to Steven Adams. And a lot of that had to do with. Cause they was Hacker Adams. And, you know, down the stretch, he made him pay for that. He was made.

[Robert Horry]

It's one of those things where you try to. You know, that's all that pop stuff. You remember, Pop did that against Shaq and, you know, the Hacker Shaq. And you got to think about some of these guys. You make more and you make two. You got to go away from it because that guy has a little rhythm. You know, sometimes you want to trust the process. You talk about following your game plan. There's certain game plans you have to scrap. You know, Stephen Adams, you know, he don't. His free throw percentage might be bad, but the dude. You look at his form, the way he approaches it, everything is fundamentally sound. So he can knock him down. He just don't knock him down because he don't shoot a lot. So it looked like a percentage of bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? The Rockets. Excuse me. The. The warriors shot 22 free throws. All of them came from three guys. Draymond was 1 for 2, Jimmy was 12 or 14, and Steph was 5 or 6. So that tells me they're not nearly aggressive enough. When you only got three guys that take your free throw attempts, that means. And. But. But the thing is, that's not what you are. That's not who they are.

[Robert Horry]

That's what you get from a jump shooting team. When you shoot jump shots, you don't to the free throw line. And the thing about, you know, you talk about analytics of basketball, shooting threes. I've always had the mindset if you're shooting the threes, you're playing soft. Why? Because you're not trying to create shots, you're not trying to get to the rack, so you're taking the easy way out. So I'm just gonna pull up for a three. Think about that. If I pull up for a three, that's easy. Now if I had to cross on up, spin, get to the rack, that's hard work. You think about ant man, Ant man, he don't mind that work. You just saw him, he put in that work. And now you get to, these guys want to shoot jump shots, you're not gonna get to the foul line. And the only reason Steph gets those fouls sometimes because if you watch closely, he's causing the contact. He's really good at that. And stopping backing into people. Yeah, and I hate when he does that because a lot of times when he does it, he's not even concentrating on the shot, he's concentrating on the foul. Just take the damn shot to make the shot, and if you get foul, so be it.

[Unknown]

Hey, hey, Rob, I got, I just want to say one thing about. You talk about Curry being able to put the ball on the floor and create his own space in his own shot. You mentioned Anthony Edwards, Ja Morant can do it as well. But you have to think about it. When you look at the landscape of all the teams in the NBA, including those in the playoffs, it's only maybe one or two players each team that can do that, that can go ISO, that can put the ball on the floor and create their own shots. So it's not that many of them. So once you take that, when you trap a player like a Curry and they have to facilitate then now you got to get everybody else involved and it puts pressure on them that I didn't, I didn't know. It's still a game of basketball. And everybody, like I'm told before, everybody doesn't have the green light to shoot the ball.

[Robert Horry]

That will.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell no.

[Unknown]

I, I, I just learned that. I'm thinking, well, hell, if, if I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Open just shooting off on your ass.

[Robert Horry]

That'S they gonna play the percentages, they gonna let you take that shot in. They might guard you.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I ain't, I ain't all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Fred van fleet last three games, he had 29 points. He has six threes tonight, 26 points, four made threes, 25 points, eight made threes. So his last, his last three ball games, he's got 18 made threes, more points and threes than Steph. He's been. Look, he's the veteran presence on this team. He is the guy that's been in championship moments. He's the guy that's been on that stage in the Eastern Confere where they were, you know, in the, in the Eastern Conference finals, they went to a championship. They were led. Kawhi led them to an NBA title. He's. He's the guy. So this is what he needs to do. Hey, follow me. Follow me. He's the leader. He did what he was supposed to do. He got great contribution from Shingoon. Now, Shingun is the best player, but the veteran president.

[Unknown]

The best.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Best.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Unknown]

Better than Jalen Green?

[Robert Horry]

Yes. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What are you talking.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah, Jalen Green only had one good game so far in his playoffs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. He was 3 of 11, 1 for 6. He had 12 points. Shingoon is an All Star.

[Unknown]

No, I'm just. I'm just talking about. I'm talking about. Yeah, I know Sengun is the All Star, but I'm just saying Jalen Green is supposed to be that next up and coming, that boy in Houston. Or maybe am I mistaken?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you, you, you.

[Robert Horry]

You're not mistaken, but we kind of. We talking about right now. We ain't talking about what you said. Totality. Sengun still the best player because he's rebounding. He's. He's scoring points, he's getting assists. Jalen Green is just a high flyer right now, and that's all he's ripping off of. He got to do more to try to. You know, that's the one thing that. But I've watched the NBA now. There's so many guys that have become showmen. Instead of playing the damn game, they want to, you know, do all these antics. When they hit a three, they want to, you know, it's just play the damn game, you know? Right. You make a damn shot, Big damn deal, you know, you get back and play some defense. How many times have you seen a guy make a shot, beat on the other end of the defense because they doing this. Just get back and play. And then that's one thing that, that you, you watch Jay. Jaylen Green, he play. He has a tendency to like, try to get to the hole. Look at the crowd. And next Thing, you know, you know, get your ass back on defense. So that's why Sengun, he's just a hard worker, man. He in that pain. He dunking on people. He can get people involved. He's the best player on that team. They thought it was going to be. Jalen Green has taken over Shingoon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He leads the Rockets in points, rebounds, assists and steals. In the playoffs, Jalen Brunson gain went over the Pistons. What a shot. What a moment. The Knicks win the series. Rob you one of the great clutch shot shooters. Let me ask you this. I think for our audience, they want to know in that moment, are you thinking like, man, if I make this shot, I'm a hero if I miss it or you just going through the. It's the same whether the moment is there or not. It's just like if it was the first quarter, the second quarter or third quarter. What goes through your head when you're taking a shot that could potentially win you the game or lose you the game?

[Robert Horry]

You don't think about anything, man, because it's just like when you in a gym, you taking all these shots to prepare for this moment. You put the reps in and that's what you gotta do. That's why you see guys, you know, you take Kobe for instance, he's been to gym 24 7, so everything came easy for him. And if you put in the time and the work and the sacrifice, these moments like this, you don't even think about it. You think about Jalen Brunson. Most guys, they like going to the offhand to pull up for the jump shot because you can square up a little bit better. He got you going left like he thought, oh, he's a strong left guy. He was setting him up. He set Thompson up. I'm coming right back over here to where I want to knock down this three. So it's just, it's just a process that you go through each and every day. And you watch him, he is so good at manipulating the defense. He can get you on your hip and then he can cause the contact or he can get you. He can, he can gauge your speed. If you're going too fast, he stops on the diamond, pulls up and I think for him and any, any guy who's playing this game long enough, you don't think about it, you just do it. Is it, it's just second. Second nature thing to you, man, you just, you just enjoy the moment and you just hope that you make that mug so you can talk a lot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of Shit, he does a great job, Rob, as you mentioned, but he gets his body in such a position to shoot that shot. Cause like you said, he's a left handed player. And most left handed players are left hand dominant. They're trying to get to that left side. They want to go left. He did that and then if you notice, he stepped back and squared himself and let it go. He hit Schroeder. He got an and one on Schroeder and he got a tough step back. He, I mean, the way he can like get his body in position to take and make tough shots for a guy his size. He's not a big guy. I mean, his body, I mean, you know what I'm saying? He's, you know, he got a little gird to him. You know, he got some. But he's sure, I mean, he what you think, six foot? I think he about six, six, one. He hit that. But his ability. And he's stronger than you think for a guy his size because the way he can like put that shoulder in your chest and get that shot off and to square himself and to knock these shots down. He was sensational. They couldn't buy a basket for the first nine, 10 minutes of the ball game. And then all of a sudden he said, man, just give me the ball. What y'all doing? And every shot that needed to be taken and made, now they got a huge tip in by Bridges. Somebody missed a shot and they didn't block out and Bridges got the tip. They tied it up. But you know, once they missed that shot, I said, oh, boy, y'all better get this ball. Because Thompson had just made a great defensive play of like two possessions earlier. He got a shot clock violation on his Cartier. He went to go up and he stripped him on the ball. He's like, yeah, Russell, I got something for you. I got something for you.

[Unknown]

Just hold it. But hold on, I got a question for you for Rob, man, for you and Unk. Right. As great as Jalen Brunson was in this series, as great as he's been, obviously being a very, very clutch player. Hell, he just won NBA Clutch Player of the Year, right? Yeah. Obviously showing his offensive prowess tonight with 40. Is there any chance y'all giving the Knicks and winning this series against the Celtics?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Unknown]

Any chance?

[Robert Horry]

No, no, no. And the reason I say no is because when you look at the Celtics, they got six guys that can score. And every time I look at the Knicks, they remind me of AI. You know, they got this one guy that does all the scoring. Everybody else does two or three things really, really good to make that pot whole. And you take out Bridges, who's one of my favorite players, when they use him and he's able to score, they're a totally different team. But I just think the Celtics has too much firepower. And one of the things they don't talk about with the Celtics is you look at them, they got four good defensive players out there on that court, you know, and that's. And, and we don't talk about that because he's so caught up in all the threes they shoot. But you think about, you know, White, Holiday, even Brown. These guys are fucking good defenders.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Robert Horry]

And so they got bodies to throw at Bronson, a little short sale. And so that's going to be hard. And you know, going back to Brunson, the one thing that makes him really good is. This is going to sound really crazy is left handed players are always have that ability to get to the line and do things because you're not used to that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Robert Horry]

You hardly ever run across a left handed player. You think about Manu Ginovi, who I play with, he was so good. Because you think he's about to do something. He's right. He's like, oh shit, he's left handed. And by the time you think about it, it's too fucking late. He doesn't change. And because it's just not what you're used to, it's uncommon. But I just think he. I think the Knicks might win one game because they play hard. But I think overall, I just think the Celtics. Yeah, it's going to be a gentleman suite, man. I just think this, the Celtics stay healthy. You know, they. They've been getting a little banged up in there, but I just think the Celtics are too good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because when you look at it, think about where they go. They got Derrick White that can defend. They got Holiday that can defend. They got JB that could defend. They got Horford that could defend. Porzingis can protect the paint. And then they bring Pritchard off the bench. That can score. Houser that can score. Cornette that can, that can give you a little rebounding. They're loaded. We know JT can defend if you have to, but he could score. JB can score, Derrick White can score. They got scores and they got defenders. So they're always going to have at bare minimum two quality defenders on the court at all times. And so when you have that, when you got two guys that can defend. But look what they start with. So if they start holiday, you got holiday, Derrick White, JP Al Horford.

[Unknown]

Honestly, I'm going to tell you this. I like the Knicks winning at least three games.

[Robert Horry]

You got winning three games.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ain't winning that many.

[Unknown]

I got them winning three games. I mean, hey, Raw, you want to. You want to. You want to bet somebody? You want to throw the wage on there?

[Robert Horry]

What you want to bet?

[Unknown]

Make sure. Make it lighter yourself. Bet 5200.

[Robert Horry]

That's very specific why you said 5200.

[Unknown]

I'm just trying. I'm trying.

[Robert Horry]

I owe.

[Unknown]

I owe him 5200. So I'm just trying to. I'm trying to make it up some other kind of way.

[Robert Horry]

I'm trying to break you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this. Of all the game winners that you hit, what's your favorite one?

[Robert Horry]

Lakers against the Kings when the ball came by 10.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that game seven without a game. That was game seven.

[Robert Horry]

And that was game four. Game four, you know, we lose that game, we go down three. One. And the reason is my favorite because if you look at most of my game winners, they were all done on the road, and so this one was done at home. And you got to go, you got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A chance to rejoice, hit it with the crowd.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah, I got. I grew up a huge Lakers fan, right. I grew up a big Magic Johnson fan. You know, you were never being a Laker. You used to them chant Kobe. Kobe or Shaq. You know, when you get a chance to knock down a big three and you don't chant your name like that, man, it's the best feeling ever. I think for me, it's probably outside of Kobe's last game is the greatest moment in Staples crypto. And if you. Every time I see the shot from above and when I make it and the crowd just jumps up and cheers, I get goosebumps every time I see it, you know, Even though I love what I did in 2005 against the Pistons in game when I lit their asses up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's the one I was. That's the one I was thinking. Yeah.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah. But, you know, it's something, you know, we all, as an athlete, we all got that ego, we all got that pride. You want to hear them fans chant your name? But I tell you what, though, I only have like one picture up. I don't even have that shot up in my house. But I do have the picture of me making that shot against the Pistons because I just like looking at the faces of the people in the Crowd. You got some people like, though. No. And you got one. Got him in the crowd like this, like. Yeah, because he knew it was going in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People. I don't know if people realize this, Rob, but before those black injuries, you were a high flyer. You was. I mean, you was punching on folks. I mean, you were up on the top. People look at you, they're like, man, all he did was shoot threes. No, no, no, no, no. When you came in, I mean, I don't know what it is about them Alabama guys. You and McNice, all them guys had ups, up and away ups. And I don't know if people realize that, but you were a high flyer, a 610 guy that finished above the rim. And then you turned yourself. I think it was the back injury that you turned yourself in. More of a shooter. You still could punch your folks, but not like you could when you first got used to it.

[Robert Horry]

No, no. It's so weird when you come in the league. Funny story is, like, my middle son, he came to me one time like, daddy, you don't ever dunk anymore. You can't even dunk. And there's that one dunk in the playoffs against the Detroit Pistons that I dunked on Rip Hamilton when I took out outside the paint. And I was like, see, your dad can still dunk. I just don't have to. But, you know the weird part about it, when I got to the Lakers, they were like, oh, we don't want you to. You know, they said, we need you. Just spot up. And the worst thing as an athlete, any athletes listening, is don't let coaches limit you, limit you in what you can do. And I think, you know, this day and age is a little bit different. Back then. It was a little bit more, I need you to do this, this, and this. And so in my mind became, okay, this is what they want me to do. Spot up and shoot threes and all this kind of stuff. But I showed my youngest son, Christian. It was at ucla. I said, let me show you something, man. Come sit down. And I showed him my highlights. I mean, Rockets. When I used to dunk, he looked at me like, damn, you had hops. I was like, yeah, I just stopped doing it because I didn't want. I didn't have room to do it because Shaq was in the damn way. That's dope.

[Unknown]

That's live. Hey, hey, hey, Rob. Some of those clutch shots you hit, were you ever. Did you ever keep any of the balls or.

[Robert Horry]

No, especially. Especially.

[Unknown]

I mean, you got some really, really, really good moments. And, and for me, I would want to keep those. I personally would want to keep those balls. You know, you don't have any.

[Robert Horry]

You know, I, I really, I have, I have one. Okay, I have one from. It's actually the Game seven ball against the Knicks. I have that. And the only reason I have that, because I told the guy said, because the first two points of Game seven was me dunking on Patrick Ewan. And I was like, I want that ball. I want that ball. So I have that ball. And I wish I had the one I made against the Kings because, shit, if I lost, if I batted you and lost, I just sell that and give me a lot of money to cover that. So I know you Laker fans will love that ball. So.

[Unknown]

Hey, but, but speaking now you talk about balls and being able to sell a ball and get you a lot of money. Listen, I got a prized possession. That's what I meant to say. I'm supposed to have it enclosed in the case, right? But I got the, I got the game ball when LeBron hit his 50th point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

50,000.

[Unknown]

Yeah, like listen, 50,000 point. And that's something that you would think he. Yeah, so it's a 50,000 point ball right there, you see? 50,000 points. And LeBron signed it for me.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown]

So I mean, if, hey, if I ever follow hard times, man, is this here gonna come in handy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you follow hard times and try to sell that ball, you gonna stay on hard times.

[Robert Horry]

Exactly. Real hard times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Greg Popovich stepped out of the coach of the San Antonio spurs today, ending a nearly three decade run that saw him lead the team to five championships. He's the all time winningest coach in NBA history and he's a three time.

[Robert Horry]

Coach of the year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he's a Hall of Fame, won a gold medal and he's inducted to the Basketball hall of Fame. Rob, you played for Pop. What was it about Pop that made him special? What's going to be your lasting memory of playing for Pop?

[Robert Horry]

I think for me it's just how genuine he was. And he was one of those coaches where. He's one of those coaches where he'll yell at you and then take you to have some gnocchi and some wine. His two favorite things. And for me, I think I tell the story all the time. The one thing that really made me fall in love with the guy was my daughter who passed away, was really sick my last year with the spurs and she went into the hospital like at the beginning of the season. And he was like, don't come back until she's out of the hospital. And I sat in the hospital with her for, like, three weeks, and then she finally got out of the hospital, and I came back, like, a day after. He says, is she out of the hospital? Like, yes, she got home, like, two days ago. He said, she ain't out of the woods yet. Go back home. You know, we don't really need you right now. And I looked at him like, are you trying to get rid of me on the slide? He said, no, man. Family first, you know, family, friends. And that's what. That's how pop always was, man. You know, I just heard today about the story of DeMar DeRozan when his pops passed. And now, yeah, it's like. And that goes to show you, you know, there's some things bigger than a freaking game, right? And pop realized that, you know, he was always about, you know, spending time with your family, doing what's important. And. And I remember, even my last year, I went to him, and I was like, you know, I want to ask a favor. Like, what? I said, it's my last year. I said, can I. My son's on spring break. We going on a road trip. Can I bring my son with me? Like, man, yeah, don't even ask me no question like that. He said, this is. You know, it's about the family. It's about doing things. And a lot of teams wouldn't let you do that, you know, because I remember the Lakers back in the day, you say, hey, can't get the flight back? No, it was liability, you know, insurance thing. I'm like, what is this, a flight home? So. But pop was. He's. He was really, really good about, man. If it came down to your family, you do whatever's necessary for your family.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody talks about the relationship that he had with Duncan because I think Duncan was the linchpin. Because if you could coach Tim Duncan hard. You can coach everybody else hard. And Timmy was receptive, and that's what you have. Timmy was one of these superstars that if you didn't watch the game, you would never know he was a superstar. He didn't dress like a superstar. Hell, I remember he showed up when you pick up an MVP trophy with flip flops and shorts off. I'm like, David, David Stern probably want to swing on Timmy.

[Robert Horry]

Hell on George.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You remember that, Bob?

[Robert Horry]

Yeah. Hello, Jean shorts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gene shorts with Philip Pop and David Stern. Like, hey. But that was Timmy. What was it about Coach Pop and Tim's relationship that made it so unique and special?

[Robert Horry]

I think we're going to back this up a little bit because you really have to credit David Robinson. Because you think about, he had David Robinson when Tim came and David was like, yo, this is what we do here. And Tim just follows suit. You know, Tim is just that type of guy. He doesn't say much. You can talk. If you talk about cars, he'll talk to you, talk about video games, he'll talk to you, talk about poker, those three things, and he'll talk about that. He ain't gonna really talk to you. But for us, you know, it took me a year just to get him to say a couple words to me. But he is just, he is a type of guy who's really focused. We don't, you know, we always talk about Kobe, work ethic, we talk about. But this dude was always in the gym, shoot jump shots, you know, always trying to get to perfect that bank shot, which we know he's famous for shooting a lot of free throws because, you know, he, that was one of his, his downfalls.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was his, one of his weakness when he came in. Yeah, yeah.

[Robert Horry]

And he just, he, he, he worked hard, but he was just. He. If you talk about guys who, you know, I used to, I had to get on to him one time like, dude, can you yell at somebody? Man, you sitting over there like with your mouth closed. You know, you yell at someone, you're gonna be like E.F. hutton. Everybody's gonna perk up and listen. So he was just, he was very mild mannered. Well, he's mild minded. He didn't wanna say much, but the guy was, he, he, he competed and he, he was. And when he, when he let you into his world, one of the nicest guys you'll meet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mentioned the twin towers. Cause David Robinson was there. But when David was there, I mean, they won them championship with David, but David was on the tail end of his career. That was, that was, I mean, basically a Tim Duncan team from the time he walked in the door.

[Robert Horry]

Oh, he was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he was one of the last guys that was a true senior. That was the number one overall. Kenya Martin was the last one, I think in 2000. But Timmy was what, 90, 98. I think the 98 draft was Timmy's first year. But he was the last, the last of those guys that went four years of college and came out. So he was more than ready, more than prepared for the grind because basically he was a grown man. He wasn't 18, he wasn't 17. Tim Duncan was a 22 year old grown man when he got to the NBA.

[Robert Horry]

You tell me something I did not know. I thought he came out early. You just so used to everybody coming out early. You know, think about. And that's the one thing that I hate about the NBA. I know these dudes are freaking 21 when they get to college now, but I just wish that I'm about to say David Stern, that Adam Silver will put like two years onto it. Because these guys, you can tell by the way these guys play now. That's why so many threes are being shot, because they don't know how to play. They're doing what's easy, just taking the threes and not learning the game. You know, you got some guys that are going to come in the league that know how to play the game because of the upbringing and how they would talk. But it's just, it's just, it's just a lot of bad basketball being played because guys don't know how to play. You know, you think about tonight watching the game like, dude, the first thing you learn in high school and college is how to beat a damn zone. The zone is the easiest freaking thing to beat. And you can't beat a zone. It's like go to the open spots, go to the Duncan spot, go back door. And it just shows you right there that the guys aren't learning anything because they all just trying to, you know, get to the next level to league without learning something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rob, you played with some of the greats. I mean, you was on a team with Tim Duncan. You was on the team with Shaq and Colby. You was on the team with a lot Dream and Drexler. And I know people ask you what the difference between Dream and Duncan, the difference between Duncan and Shaq, the difference between Clyde and Kobe, what are some of the different look, because look, all of those guys that I just mentioned are 75 greatest players in NBA history, MVPs, Finals, MVPs, defensive players of the year. When you got. When you got to the Rockets, what was it about the dream that, you know, okay, this guy's special. What set him apart?

[Robert Horry]

Oh, shit. I knew dream was special when I watched him in high school. I mean, in college, hey, when I was coming out, I said, I want to play alongside this guy. You know, I was praying that I went to the Rockets, and God willing, I did, because you could just see his work ethic. You know, you watched him. You know, guys always talking about going into the lab. Dream would be in the lab, and we didn't even know it. He would be working on stuff, and then he'll just all of a sudden get in the game. You know, you think about 95, how he annihilated David Robinson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Cause he said they took. They gave him the mvp.

[Robert Horry]

For me, yeah. All that stuff we had never seen before. You should have seen us on the court. We're going like, oh, Caleb Dre.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ooh.

[Robert Horry]

He became fans on the court, right? And so he just. And you watch him, man. He just played hard, man. You think about, you know, back in the day when he. You forget, he used to knock some people out, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Robert Horry]

You know, he had that toughness. You know, you elbow him, he would. He was. Because it was only a 50, fine. And, you know, punch someone in the face. And so he had that toughness, and he just had that. The one thing about Dream, though, is he. We talk about how hard guys play is, like, how hard Giannis plays, how hard Bronson plays, how hard he's got dream play hard each and every night. And, you know, people would talk about, who's the greatest center, who's this? Who's that? Dream, to me, is always gonna be top three centers, because if he needed to shoot threes, he could have shot threes. He didn't, because he had us out there, and you couldn't stop him in the paint any damn way. So he's just gonna kill you that way. So he was just, you know, he was just a hard worker and. But more importantly, great guy. Cause he taught me about the business of basketball. He was like, yo, I remember one time at a Christmas party, he took me outside and said, listen, listen, listen. You're gonna be on this team. Now. Let's talk about, you know, things outside of basketball. What you doing with your money? You know, how's the family? You know, are you investing? Do you have the right people? He was just a good guy. You know, a lot of guys now, you know, they won't. They won't come to you and be like, yo, man, you need to check your finance. You need to do this. They like fucking. I learned it on my own. You on your own. And so I just. That's one of the things I loved about Dream. He taught me about the business of basketball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you leave Houston and you go to the. Well, you know, you have. You didn't go, right, Go there, man. No.

[Robert Horry]

You gotta talk about the signs, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You had a cup of coffee at the airport. It got right back on the plane and went to la. So you get to la, Shaq and Kobe, you like, damn. Got Shaq, got Kobe. What y'all need me to do?

[Robert Horry]

You know what's weird? When I got there, man, I was looking at the team. We had Nick, Ben Exel at the point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Robert Horry]

We had Eddie Jones at the two. I said, okay, I can play the three. You know, back then I was a three man, right. And I said, we got a young guy like this. You know, everybody's like, oh, you gotta see this rookie Kobe Bryant. I'm like, ooh. And then you get to the practice, you see how good this dude is. Okay. He's learning. And then you got Shaq. You know, you say, okay, Shaq just got beat in 9 to 5 in the finals. And you got all this talent. I said, oh, man, we about to do some work. I said, we're gonna do some work for some years because everybody's young, right? Everybody's under 30. But sometimes it goes to show you too many cooks in the kitchen when it comes to basketball ain't good. You gotta have some guys that are glue guys, some screw guys, you know, some boats and do the things to keep the team together. And you think about, we have four all stars. Yeah. And then we got swept by a damn team that's been together for 30 years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was Kobe. Rookie, your wedding.

[Robert Horry]

That was Kobe's rookie year. Yeah. Yeah. And then the final. And then. And then 99, you know, we got beat. We got beat by the Spurs. Lost the last game in the form to the Spurs. And then that was when we got new coaches and we said, we got rid of Nick, we got rid of Eddie, and we brought in defensive minded people, you know, we brought in Ron Harper, we brought in B. Shaw, we brought in Rick Fox, we did all these things, bought in AC Green. And it was that glue was whole.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Group, was whole Grant there. Then a whole Grant only came for.

[Robert Horry]

The last whole Grant was On. On the second championship in 2000, 2001. Yeah. So. And it was just weird, man. You just. And it goes to show you, when you got too much talent, it's hard to blend. But when you got. When you got enough talent and you got guys who are mature and you can. You can tell Kobe and Shaq to shut up and sit your ass down and do what you're supposed to do, and they gonna. They gonna. You think about it. We used to tell Kobe, no, dude, you ain't doing that tonight. Oh, Shaq, you ain't doing that. And they will listen us because we are veteran guys, you know, now you got this going on. Guys, you know, respect us. We had a lot of respect for one another, and it was no animosity. And people always ask me about the Kobe, Shaq thing. I was like, man, I must have been fucking blinded because they never had beef in front of us. It was all in the papers, man. You know? And that was the weirdest thing. When people like, we'll talk about it. I'm like, they in the locker room laughing and joking. They the first people to hug after a championship. I know. You kept me up. You won a championship. Who was the first person you hugged after you won a champion? It's probably your favorite player on the team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Robert Horry]

And so that's why I was like, men's providers. They would say, oh, they beefing. I'm like, when? Where? So it was just weird to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How good was Shaq? You look at Shaq, and I tell people. I don't think people realize how athletic Shaq was. When Shaq got to the league, like, Shaq first five or six years, when Shaq was like, 71325 and can move like a deer. We're never gonna see that again. You're never gonna see a guy his size with that kind of agility. You're just not. Now you might have, like, a Jokic got the footwork, and Joel and me got footwork, but I'm talking about just raw athleticism and power.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're never gonna feel Shaquille O'Neal again. Never.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah, never. You know, you think about. If you always talk, if you start a team, if I could take the 2000, the 1999, 2000 Shaq, the MVP Shaq, and have him. That Shaq, and put him on. That's my first person. Not Jordan, not Dream, not Kareem. That's the first person I pick to start my life. I can get that Sha, because he was just so dominant. He Was just so strong, so athletic. You think about this. This guy can bring the ball down, cross your spin, take off from outside the paint, then monkey dunk on your ass. And then you can do. You know. And you go back and look at a lot of tape. And I've heard this out of ref mouth. I'm sitting there. You can hear all you on him, and he's not getting the call. He's like, oh, he's too big. He should be able to handle it. I'm like, dude, it's a freaking file. He's slapping the shell. I said, all right, y'all gonna piss him off. And then I'm gonna get out of the way. Cause he gonna start elbowing people. And you can tell when he got frustrated. Cause he'll do that spin and pull elbow up when he comes like this here. He don't care who he hitting. I'm like, so, yeah, he was. He was like. I said, if you got one player, one moment, I'm taking 1999, 2000 Shaq. And I'm starting the team with that guy. If I can get that guy each and every night.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, Kobe. Kobe is a 17. He gets there at 17. Now, by the time they start to win championships, he's the Kobe. He's become what he became. And you get to see it on full display. He can still elevate over the top. He got the midi. He could bop, bop, bop, bop. Oh, he had the package. And if you need him to sit in the chair for 40 minutes and take the opposing team point, two, three best.

[Robert Horry]

And he wanted that challenge. And you know, you. You know, I know you think LeBron is the greatest of all time. And you people talk about MJ being the greatest of all time. I want you to think you, when you watch Kobe Bryant, he did every freaking thing like mj. And he probably took it to another level because Kobe. You know, when Kobe first came in the league, we used to laugh and joke and be like, you can't shoot threes. He didn't shoot threes like mj, but he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Robert Horry]

We would, like, joke with him. So that dude been the gym every morning at 5:00, shooting number threes, and now he can shoot threes. And it's things like that. That why he was great. You could tell him he was not good at something. He would prove you wrong by going and working on it and adding it to his game. This dude, you know, God rest his soul, was the hardest working dude I ever seen in my life. And you think about where he went from his rookie year where he just played. Wow. You know, he didn't have no structure to his game to understanding that. Oh, I got to tone this down. And I don't know if it's because he talked to mj, he talked to Phil whatnot, but when he got Phil, it made him more structured than I've ever seen before. So he. The dude was just phenomenal, man. So I hate when we talk about the goat and we never bring him up, like, because it's like, you know, to me, the goats are MJ, Colby, LeBron, and Kareem. Those are the goats. And why do we have to put 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, and 4. Those four guys right there. Why can't just four goats. That's the Mount Rushmore right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why. Why didn't. Playing on that team alongside Shaq and Kobe, why didn't they win more individual MVPs? Kobe didn't win one until later, late, like 2001, I think 2009-2010, he won the MVP. Why didn't they win? Why didn't Shaq win more MVPs? Why didn't Kobe win MVPs? Did they cancel each other out?

[Robert Horry]

I don't think they canceled each other out. I just think, you know, if you. If you look at the league back then, it was hard to win back to backs unless you was a white guy. Mean Steve Nash. And so, you know, you think about that second. Steve Nash should have been.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shaq should have won that in Miami. For real, though.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah. So it's so many things you can look at. It's just weird. You know, you think about mj when he was in the league, he didn't win it every year. You know, it's always someone different. And like, you think about this year, even though Jokic is having the best freaking career, best year of his career, he ain't gonna win. They gonna probably give it to Shaq, you know, and it's just how they do it. And I don't know why, but I think Kobe should probably run at least three. Shaq should run at least two. I should say, actually one. At least two. You know, I think his. His. I think the year he won it, he should have won it, and then the following year, he should have won it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Robert Horry]

You know, other than that, I think. You know. Cause you think about his third. My third championship, he wasn't as dominant as he was. He was still effective. He just didn't bring that. You think about it, he wasn't the Shaq before that. And that's what they based off. They always say, okay, we gonna take your last year. What did you do better than that year? And I think he was just consistent. He never, like, went up a little bit to another level.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan had one of the great games. He had damn near quadruple double. He was two blocks away from a quadruple double in an NBA Finals game. When he played the Nets that year, I think he had 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, and eight blocks.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah, but that was a nest, man. The nest we had just swear just swept the Nets the year before that or whatever it was. The nest was like, you know, PO J Skid, Richard Jefferson, that crew. You know, you was a beast in the east, but when it came to playing teams against the west, you just like. You like the Lakers and the Clippers, you're just a little brother. So they made it a good time. But you go back and look at the east back then, east was terrible, man. They were God awful. And so. But Tim Duncan, though, that goes to show you, when he wants to take over, he can take over, man. He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And.

[Robert Horry]

And the one thing I like about Tim, when it comes to blocking shots, he didn't care if you dunked on me. Like, I don't care. I don't have social media. I don't care what you say. You know, people in San Antonio are going to still bow down to me. And, you know, most guys will shot away from trying to, you know, go up against a Venice car, think he might get dunked on. They're like, nah, I ain't challenging that. That Tim didn't give a shit. He would try to challenge you anyway to block it, because he knew nine times out of 10, he was going to block it. It's going to start a fast break.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, your Mount Rushmore teammates, you get four teammates on Mount Rushmore. Who you going with?

[Robert Horry]

Dream, Shaq, Kobe, Clyde.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn you. Ain't you Clyde over Timmy?

[Robert Horry]

You know what? This is one thing. You know, I. I love Timmy, but I'm going with Clyde. Clyde's my boy, man. You know, sometimes personal feelings get in the way sometimes. Hey, I'm doing the Steve Kerr right now. I'll put you. Hey, but you know, people don't. I think people forget how good Clyde was, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, he took a kind of a backseat role when he got to Houston. But.

[Robert Horry]

But.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Portland Clyde, I remember. Hell, I remember when he was dunking on everybody at five slammer jama @ the University of Houston. Yeah, yeah, but he used to. Clyde used to elevate.

[Robert Horry]

Yeah. You know, and the other reason I put Tim in that, because I remember, you know, I'm watching the hall of Fame ceremony and I watch Rudy T. Get inducted, and then when Rudy T. Gave me a shout out for the hall of Fame and they panned through the crowd and Tim didn't clap. So that's why he ain't on my rush.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Robert Horry]

Because I started calling, said I saved your ass in 2005. Excuse my life. You better get your ass up and clap. Missing that damn layup now. I had to take over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Spurs got some cap space. They got a night. They got Stefan Castle, who's Rookie of the year. Wimby, who's previous rookie of the year. They got. Do they. Would you make the move for Giannis? Would you try to package some pieces for Giannis?

[Robert Horry]

That's the thing you got. Don't you forgot about Darren Fox? I think that's. That's hard to say. I would. Because you can't pass. Oh, I think that's going to be the hottest commodity this summer. Everybody's going to want the Greek Creek because he's that type of player. You know, I mentioned earlier how hard he plays. So this is going to be really interesting to see where he goes if Milwaukee want to give him up. But if I'm the. If I'm the Spurs, we got the cast space to. Why not go after him? Because, you know, he'll love it there because he got a good. One thing about the spurs franchise is a good franchise. They're a very humble franchise. And you don't have to worry about a lot of outside noise. You think about in LA and, you know, Chicago, New York, there's a lot of outside noise. So you being in Milwaukee are used to the outside. Noah's been at a minimum. So if you go to the spurs, you're in the same thing. So I don't know if he wants that. I don't know if he wants, you know, be more, you know, can't get no more notable in the area as Greek freak. But does he want a bigger market? That's where it boils down. He wants that market.

[Unknown]

It boils down to a bigger market. I haven't talked to Greek freak, but I talk to the powers that be. We're going to do everything we can to get him down here in Miami. I've told UNK that already. I'm not sure why he continues to ask that question. Hey, Rob, I've sat down with Mickey Harrison. I sat down with Pat Riley. Pat is willing to change some of his ways and let the reins go a little bit on the way he conducts himself and to come to the entity that is known as the Miami Heat.

[Robert Horry]

So.

[Unknown]

And we also gonna get John too.

[Robert Horry]

You don't want that dog.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I'm just telling you, I'm telling.

[Robert Horry]

You he was feeling great right in Miami, but you're gonna have to give up, you know, a lot to get him to Miami.

[Unknown]

That, that's, that's fine. That's, that's fine. We want to get in it.

[Robert Horry]

But here's though, if you give up stuff, you're going to be right where the Phoenix Suns are. You give up all that. You got three guys making 150 million, but your bench sucks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, same thing happened when Carmelo left the Nuggets. He went to the Knicks, but all what he wanted to play with, they ended up going to going to Denver and then you had to trade those draft picks. So now you there you basically by yourself like you when you were in Endeavor.

[Unknown]

Yeah, we're gonna, we gonna make it. We gonna make it work.

[Robert Horry]

The Volume.

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[Robert Horry]

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[Robert Horry]

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