Nightcap - Hour 1: Rodgers Quiet Retirement? + Steelers Expectations

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary

Episode: Nightcap - Hour 1: Rodgers Quiet Retirement? + Steelers Expectations
Release Date: June 27, 2025
Host/Authors: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media

---

1. Introduction and Personal Training Insights (00:24 – 05:36)

The episode kicks off with co-hosts T.J. Houshmandzadeh and James Harrison delving into their personal fitness routines and the dynamics of training with their sons. T.J. emphasizes the importance of individualized coaching, stating:

"I coach my kids as if they're mine. And if I was to coach yours, I'm going to do the same thing, if that's what you're looking for."
[04:19] - T.J. Houshmandzadeh

James shares his approach to training his sons, highlighting their different motivations and strengths:

"I usually have to jump on my youngest, but a little bit more than I do my oldest. He really doesn't have to jump on my oldest at all."
[04:35] - James Harrison

---

2. Health and Wellness Discussions (05:36 – 12:12)

The conversation shifts to health awareness, with T.J. recounting his personal experience with high cholesterol:

"I didn't eat any candy, any ice cream. I felt like a crackhead... nothing, nothing."
[09:53] - T.J. Houshmandzadeh

James echoes similar sentiments, stressing the importance of internal health over external appearances:

"You got a lot of guys that look like Hercules on the outside and on the inside... they weaker than a, you know, a three-year-old child."
[12:12] - James Harrison

---

3. Training Regimens and Diet Strategies (12:12 – 28:31)

The hosts delve deeper into effective training and dietary strategies that have extended their athletic careers. James discusses his collaboration with trainer Ian in Arizona, attributing his improved physique and performance to disciplined diet and exercise:

"He helped me to actually really dial in my diet and understand what it is that I needed to eat."
[07:14] - James Harrison

T.J. shares his dedication to training, highlighting his strict workout routines and commitment to maintaining a strong core to prevent back issues:

"My core is strong. My core strong as hell. Because I always had a bad back. So I made sure that my core... I'm killing that."
[26:21] - T.J. Houshmandzadeh

---

4. Analyzing Aaron Rodgers' Potential Retirement (38:37 – 43:30)

The conversation shifts to NFL matters, specifically focusing on Aaron Rodgers' rumored quiet retirement. T.J. questions the validity of Rodgers' statements about stepping away from the public eye:

"Aaron Rodgers—he say, I don't want the attention... That's why it's so strange what's going on right now in my private life."
[32:17] - T.J. Houshmandzadeh

James expresses skepticism about Rodgers' ability to completely withdraw from the spotlight, given his ongoing media engagements:

"I don't believe there's no way in hell he believe he's saying what he actually."
[32:37] - James Harrison

---

5. Steelers' Future and Coaching Stability (43:37 – 50:30)

James and T.J. discuss the Pittsburgh Steelers' prospects, particularly the relationship between quarterback Aaron Rodgers and head coach Mike Tomlin. They debate the likelihood of Coach Tomlin being retained despite potential team performance issues:

"Only person to get Mike Tomlin fired is Mike Tomlin. If he goes and puts up a couple losing seasons, then I don't see him getting fired."
[38:52] - James Harrison

T.J. argues that consistent wins could overshadow any underlying issues, but acknowledges the challenges if the team begins to underperform:

"When you start losing, then it's gonna come out. Cause man, you should have signed earlier."
[40:45] - T.J. Houshmandzadeh

James emphasizes the loyalty of the Steelers' organization towards Coach Tomlin, suggesting that coaching changes are unlikely unless there's a significant shift in team performance.

---

6. Playoff Predictions and Team Comparisons (50:30 – 52:16)

The hosts engage in a spirited discussion about potential playoff contenders and the Steelers' chances. They compare the team's defense to other AFC teams and predict possible matchups:

"We got all them... We got Bengals... Y' all cannot stop us."
[43:26] - T.J. Houshmandzadeh

James concurs, highlighting the Steelers' defensive capabilities while also critiquing the team's offensive strategies from previous seasons.

---

7. Memorable Game Anecdote and Lessons Learned (52:16 – 53:08)

T.J. recounts a pivotal game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, sharing an amusing yet critical moment where he inadvertently influenced the game's outcome:

"We had a home game... I had a great game. I had two touchdowns over... Then I got on a Madden chat... just talking shit they were talking."
[45:28] - T.J. Houshmandzadeh

James adds context to the story, discussing the impact of injuries and coaching decisions on the game's result.

---

8. Conclusion and Final Thoughts (53:08 – End)

The episode wraps up with the hosts reflecting on the importance of teamwork, resilience, and continuous improvement both on and off the field. They emphasize the value of learning from past experiences to build a stronger future for themselves and their teams.

---

Notable Quotes

• T.J. Houshmandzadeh [04:19]:
  "I coach my kids as if they're mine. And if I was to coach yours, I'm going to do the same thing, if that's what you're looking for."

• James Harrison [07:14]:
  "He helped me to actually really dial in my diet and understand what it is that I needed to eat."

• T.J. Houshmandzadeh [32:17]:
  "Aaron Rodgers—he say, I don't want the attention... That's why it's so strange what's going on right now in my private life."

• James Harrison [38:52]:
  "Only person to get Mike Tomlin fired is Mike Tomlin. If he goes and puts up a couple losing seasons, then I don't see him getting fired."

---

Key Takeaways

• Personal Health: Both hosts emphasize the critical role of disciplined training and diet in maintaining peak physical condition and preventing injuries.

• Player and Coach Dynamics: The relationship between high-profile players like Aaron Rodgers and long-standing coaches such as Mike Tomlin is complex, with loyalty often outweighing performance metrics.

• Team Strategy and Performance: The Steelers' future hinges on balancing defensive strengths with offensive improvements, aiming to break their playoff drought.

• Learning from the Past: Reflecting on previous games and experiences serves as a foundation for future strategies and team cohesion.

---

This episode provides an in-depth look into the personal lives and professional insights of NFL legends, offering listeners both entertaining anecdotes and valuable lessons on health, teamwork, and the intricacies of professional football dynamics.

Transcript

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[James Harrison]

The best AI assistant isn't one that.

[Ryan Clark]

Knows the whole world.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

It's one that knows your world. A custom assistant built on WatsonX with.

[Ryan Clark]

IBM's granite models can leverage your trusted.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Data, be easily trained on your workflows, and integrate with your apps. It can be tuned to do just what you need because the more AI.

[Ryan Clark]

Knows about your world, the more it.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Can help you do. Learn [e-mail] productivity IBM let's create hello.

[Ryan Clark]

It is Ryan and we could all use an extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we? Just to make up for things like sitting in traffic, doing the dishes, counting your steps. You know, all the mundane stuff. That is why I'm such a big fan of Chumba Casino. Chumba Casino has all your favorite social casino style games that you can play for free, anytime, anywhere with daily bonuses. So sign up [e-mail] that's chumbacasino.com no purchase necessary.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

VGW Group void.

[Ryan Clark]

We're prohibited by law.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

21/ terms and conditions apply.

[Ryan Clark]

Are you still quoting 30 year old movies? Have you said cool beans in the past 90 days? Do you think Discover isn't widely accepted? If this sounds like you, you're stuck in the past. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide and every time you make a purchase with your card, you automatically earn cash back. Welcome to the now it pays to Discover. Learn [e-mail] credit card based on the February 2024 Nielsen report okay, have you heard about this?

[James Harrison]

Last year, Degree changed the formula for their Cool Rush deodorant.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Their fans rebelled and wanted the old SIM back. And Degree Listen, that doesn't happen often. They admitted that they effed up and.

[James Harrison]

Are bringing the original Cool Rush scent back.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

And it's exactly how you remember it.

[James Harrison]

Cool. Cool, crisp and fresh. There's a reason it's the number one man's antiperspirant.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

And it's back in Walmart, Target and.

[James Harrison]

Other stores for under $4.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

So try it and see what the fuss is about.

[James Harrison]

Head to your local stores to try.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

The OG Cool Rush for yourself.

[James Harrison]

The Volum.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Man welcome to Night Cat. This is day three of the hijacking that me and my boy J. Well, not the hijacking. I don't want to even use that term. The takeover. Day three of the takeover. I'm T.J. u.S. Mazada. That's James Harrison. And later on in the show we'll be joined by Keely Ringo, defensive back From Eagles with University of Georgia from Las Vegas, Nevada. Now, y' all make sure y' all hit that, like, button, subscribe button, text a friend, call a friend, tell them to do the same thing. And while you add it, top of the corner of the chat, we got the link to Mr. Well, y' all seen it. Anybody that was tuned in yesterday or last night, he had a little Debo tank top on. So if you like it, go get your Debo gear. The link will be pinned at the top of the chat, so go ahead and support my boy in his Debo gear. He's dressed appropriately now. He's not trying to scare anybody or show off them. All them muscles he got. So he got a little T shirt on today. So we good to go.

[James Harrison]

First off, I'm always good, man. Always good. You know, had to do the same thing I do every day. Work out, then go work more boys out. They had to do some field work today, so I gave my son an opportunity to get out there and. And test out his ankle that he had surgically repaired. So he's. He's doing good.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Speaking of your boys, I don't know if we touched on this yesterday or not. How is it now that they're of age and you can actually get on the field, get in the weight room, work out with them?

[James Harrison]

I don't.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I don't how the instruction. Are you on the ass, or are you kind of letting the dude you train with? Because I don't know him, but we gonna get in a.

[James Harrison]

His name is Ian, correct?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

We don't. We're gonna get in the end also. But how is that just like working out with your sons? Now? They're.

[James Harrison]

I'll work out with one of them, and someone will train the other one, and then I'll switch, you know, day to day. And to be honest with you, man, it's all depending on what I'm getting from them, if I'm a, you know, jump on their butt or not. I usually have to jump on my youngest, but a little bit more than I do my oldest. I really don't have to jump on my oldest at all, to be honest with you. He's. He's more. He's more like me. He loves to do it. He wants to try and do it to the best of his abilities, and he wants to try and get stronger every day. My younger one, I got to push him a little bit. He's just now breaking through the point where he's getting used to the burn, the hurt, the pain that you got to go through to build. And he's learning an appreciation for it. So it's a little more motivation talking to him. Of course, it's in my words, my language. It's not for everybody else's kids for me to coach them, because I coach my kids as if they're mine. And if I was to coach yours, I'm going to do the same thing, if that's what you're looking for. But that's the only way I know how to do. I got linebacker running back and safety running back.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Okay. And so I don't know Ian, but I feel like I know him because of you and rc. RC being Ryan Clark. How did that. Because you. Where do you live in Pittsburgh?

[James Harrison]

I'm just out here.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

So I. I assume. I assume you were still living in Pittsburgh, but I. You know, they say when you assume you live in Pittsburgh, and Ian, if I'm not correct, is in Arizona. So you not playing, and you still travel to Arizona to train with Ian. Obviously, now your boys, but even when you were retired, you was just going out there to get however many weeks in with him to head back home.

[James Harrison]

Yeah. So after I was done, I. I had a workout app that I had out, so I was doing a lot of filming for that. And, you know, in the process of building out that app and doing all the exercises so I could have, you know, the whole platform ready to go and do all that. But, you know, it's, you know, that's like my vacation. You know, most people, they want to go to a. You know, they want to go to Florida or somewhere. They want to go out and eat and party and do all that. I want to go see the gym. You know, if I take a vacation, I'm not leaving no more than three days. If it ain't got a gym, I may not leave at all. Like, it's not happening. Like, if I can't get to a gym, we ain't going nowhere. Like, if.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

When did you start training with Ian? When? When in your career? What year in your career did you start training?

[James Harrison]

So I was saying. So here's something. So 2000, I think it was nine. Sorry, 2010.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Right. Right in the middle.

[James Harrison]

So it's 2009, 2010. I started with him, and the big reason I started with him is he was doing a lot of soft tissue work for me. That's when I hurt my back and ended up having to get surgery at the end of the season. And they. They locked us out. So after I got the surgery, they locked us out. So I couldn't do none of my therapy anywhere, and I ended up doing all my therapy here in Arizona with him. And from that time, you know, for. I just. I just got stronger and stronger. I got leaner and leaner. You know, he. He helped me to actually really dial in my diet and understand what it is that I needed to eat. Shouldn't eat the amounts that I could eat, and, you know, come to realize, like, you could smash as much. He said anything that, you know, runs, flies, or swims, you could. You could almost eat as much as that, you know, as you want, and then, you know, stay away from anything. That was a. You know, that was a card. And I basically went into almost like a keto diet. And, dude, I. I wasn't close to working out as hard as I could because I was recovering from the surgery and doing the therapy of it. But, you know, I dropped down, you know, 8% body fat in that time.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

It runs flies and swims, so I get that part of it. So what about the fruit? Because that ain't running, flying, and swimming. You can't eat all the fruit you want. Or is it because it's.

[James Harrison]

Because it's natural. It's not carbs. It's, you know, it's what they call good sugar, but it's still carbs, so.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Man.

[James Harrison]

And I don't know, then I would get, like, four weeks where it would just be zero. Any carbs that I got was from the meat and, you know, whatever else. And then you would be allowed to get like, a, you know, like a half cup of berries. So the only thing that, you know, I was allowed was berries. So blackberries, blueberries, strawberries. That was the lowest, man.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I just ate a whole thing of blueberry. I mean, blackberries. Whole thing just by myself right now. I don't know. I eat whatever.

[James Harrison]

I mean, look at you. You wanted them dudes that can eat whatever, don't gain no weight. Don't. You know what I'm saying? Like, I hate y' all.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

No, man. But I don't. Like, no. This would happen. Let me. So when we. When I retired, I didn't go to the. I didn't go to the doctor, bro. No lie. Last year was 2012. I went to the doctor. The first time I went to the doctor after I retired was 2021, and I retired in 2012.

[James Harrison]

Right? I'm not lying.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Got all that. You paying for insurance, and I ain't using it right. And so I go to the doctor, boom, everything fine. No problems. So he was like, we gonna do your blood work. So I go do my blood work. And then he called me like a week later and was like, can you come into the office? I'm like, come into the office. The fuck? Like I'm now nervous, like, bro, you can't tell me it's over the phone, but come into the office. So then I drive, you know, it's like 40 minutes away. And he was like, everything checked out fine except your cholesterol. And I'm like, first thing I, I'm like, bro, I don't really eat a lot of french fries and fried food. Like if my kids go to Chick Fil A or something, I might eat a fry or two, but I'm not eating the whole thing. And he's like, nah, refined sugar is worse for your cholesterol than fried foods. And I'm like, well, okay. And every car that I have, I keep a bag of candy in the middle console because as soon as I get in, I'm eating the candy. And I was probably, even when I was playing, when I was retired, I would probably eat four scoops of ice cream four or five days a week with like two sprinkle cups. So I was eating that like damn near every day. He said my cholesterol and I don't know if you know the numbers, but was 282 and he want. And they wanted to be under 200. And I got nervous. So I literally, I didn't eat any candy, any ice cream. I felt like a crackhead, bro. Cause like I was like feeding for some candy and some ice cream, but I didn't eat it for like eight months straight. Nothing, nothing. And then I gradually like every blue moon. Now I'll eat some ice cream here and there, I'll eat some candy here and there. But I'm an because or I'm a dumb. I ain't been back to the doctor since 2021. And I keep saying that I'm gonna go back because I want to see has my cholesterol, has it dropped yet? And so I need to see if I had that type of discipline because we, you may think, oh, I look good, but on the inside. Yeah, you slowly die.

[James Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, you got, you got a lot of guys that look, you know, look like Hercules on the outside and on the inside, you know, they, you know, they weaker than a, you know, a three year old girl. So it's, it's. And then they're unhealthy too. You know, I'm saying it's it's a combination.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Hey, say a three year old child, not a three year old girl, three year old child. Like the women ain't gonna like that.

[James Harrison]

Okay.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

But so I, in his help, as far as the food part aspect, the, the strength part, extended your career and that's why you there with your sons.

[James Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to. Well my, my oldest, he, he sort of got the, got the understanding of what it was I needed to do after he had to have a couple surgeries. So he blew his SC joint and you know, from that point forward, everything I was trying to tell him, I'm like, dude, you got to eat right, you got to take care of your body, you know, you know you gotta, you want to expire to, you know, go to college and you know, possibly go further than that. So you need to start doing the things necessary now to preserve and prolong your body. And from that point forward. Last July, he actually just totally stopped eating any really refined sugars. He's, he dropped as low as like 155 after. He's up to like 207 now. So he put, he put on a little over 50 pounds of my weight.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

That's why I weighed this morning when I woke up. 207.

[James Harrison]

Oh, you ain't no 207.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Hey, I told you I was working out. I got 50 more push ups to do and that'll be 500 for the day and I'm doing my legs tomorrow.

[James Harrison]

You ain't. Listen, you ain't, you ain't. No.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I'm 207.

[James Harrison]

How tall are you?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

207 pounds.

[James Harrison]

I told him six.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Two, six two. How much you think I weigh this?

[James Harrison]

I mean it's possible I was, I was looking at like 185, you know.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Oh my God. That's, that's chad.

[James Harrison]

That's disrespectful.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Chad. 185.

[James Harrison]

I'm just saying like, I'm looking at like kind of the same bill.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Malcolm Gladwell here. I recently recorded the first episode of Smart Talks with IBM where I learned how AI agents are joining AI assistants as a major productivity tool. Let's start with AI agents. AI agents can reason, plan and collaborate with other AI tools to autonomously perform tasks for a user. Brian Bitzel, an expert from IBM, gave me an example of how a college freshman might use an AI agent as a new student.

[Ryan Clark]

You may not know, how do I deal with my health and wellness issue? How many credits am I going to get for this given class? You could talk to someone and find out some of that, but maybe it's a little bit sensitive and you don't.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Want to do that, Bissell told me. You could build an AI agent, a resource for new students that helps them navigate a new campus, register for classes, access the services they need, and even schedule appointments on their behalf, which in turn buys them more time to focus on their actual schoolwork.

[Ryan Clark]

We can see patterns of how agents and assistants can help employees and customers and end users be more productive, automate workflows so they're not doing certain types of repetitive work over and over again and streamlining their lives and making data more accessible to them 24 hours a day.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

To learn more about IBM's AI agents and how they can help your business, visit IBM.comagents.

[Ryan Clark]

Hi Zoe Saldana. Welcome to T Mobile. Here's your new iPhone 16 Pro on us.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Thanks.

[Ryan Clark]

And here's my old phone to trade in. You don't need a trade in when you switch to T Mobile. We'll give you a new iPhone 16 Pro plus we'll we'll help you pay off your old Phone up to 800 bucks and you still get to keep it. There's always a trade end. Not right now. @ T Mobile.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I feel like I have to give.

[Ryan Clark]

You something in return for karma. That's okay. I don't really have much in my purse. Oh, let's see. Hand sanitizer.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

It's lavender.

[Ryan Clark]

I'm good. Seriously, Let me check this pocket. Oh, mints. Really, I'm fine. Oh, I have raisins.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I'm a mom.

[Ryan Clark]

Wait, wait one sec. I've got cupcakes in the car. It's our best iPhone offer ever. Switch to T Mobile. Get a new iPhone 16 Pro with Apple Intelligence on us. No trade in needed. We'll even pay off your phone up to 800 bucks with 24 monthly bill credits. New line 100 plus a month on experience beyond Finance Agreement 999.99 and qualifying ported for well qualified plus tax and $10 connection charge pay off via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days credits and balance due if you pay off early or cancel CT mobile.com Are you still quoting 30 year old movies? Have you said cool beans in the past 90 days? Do you think Discover isn't widely accepted? If this sounds like you, you're stuck in the past. Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide. And every time you make a purchase with your card, you automatically earn cash back. Welcome to the Now It Pays to Discover. Learn more at discover.com credit card based on the February 2024 Nielsen report. When it's tip off time at my house, there are a few things that are must haves on my checklist. My fellow friends and fans. Check. My favorite jersey. Check. An iconic drink that's a fan favorite. Check. Hypnotic can turn any cocktail into an iconic creation. With its game changing color and tropical flavor, Hypnotic should be in everyone's starting five. I consider Hypnotic the point guard of my game day roster because not only is it versatile, like having it on the rocks or as a base for cocktails, it also finishes smooth and just like the banners in my stadium, letting people know that we take championships seriously. Having Hypnotic at my watch parties lets people know that I also take quality seriously since it's crafted with high quality ingredients for a championship level drinking experience. So the next time you need a break from the action with a distinctive timeout, look no further. Grab a bottle of Hypnotic and make your next basketball watch party iconic. Enjoy the vibrant taste with friends and turn every game into a memorable celebration. Hypnotic. Where every sip is a slam dunk. Hypnotic Liqueur Bardstown, Kentucky 17% alcohol by volume. Hypnotic reminds you to think wisely. Drink wisely.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Now you. You see, bro, don't play with me. You see my shoulders? My shoulders are huge. They not like my shoulders are big. See, this shirt is an extra large. The other day I had on a large. So then I was. I was looking bigger than what I am. Come on, bro, man.

[James Harrison]

You and my son.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

And then. And then if I stood up, wear.

[James Harrison]

The same size shirt.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

And then you see this firepower down below. Yeah. Paul. Hey, James. When I was. Yeah, yeah. Pause. For real. When I was in. So, you know, I went juco. I went juco. And then I. When I was in college. No, you know, I benched £395. I did 225.

[James Harrison]

Listen, I could believe that because a lot of our skilled dudes when I was in college were super strong.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Dude, I did 225, 23 times. I was squatting like 450. My vert was 39. Yeah, no lie.

[James Harrison]

Swear to God.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I promise. You see, it's crazy because I had this. Everybody. Oh, T.J. was slow. T. You know what? Tomorrow I'm gonna see if I can find it, bro. I went. I ran 10, 5 and 100 meters in junior college. 213 in the 200 Cerritos. Junior college. Yeah.

[James Harrison]

I mean, that's, that's, that's cool. That's cool. You know, I mean, they're kind of doing that in high school right now, but, you know.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah, yeah, they. They much? I'm just saying.

[James Harrison]

Yeah.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

185. Man, I weighed that. Nice. I was 178 getting out of high school.

[James Harrison]

Me and you was around. Hey, I was 190 in your high school.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Oh, so we was about the same weight.

[James Harrison]

Yeah, yeah. My Pedro said I was. You know, it's always 2 inches and 20 pounds. They said I was 6, 2, 2, 10. You know what I'm saying?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Hey, and I came into the league at 218 when Marvin Lewis got there. Cause, you know, Dick LeBeau was my coach. My first two teams in the league. Then when Marvin Lewis got to the Bengals, he basically made me lose weight. So then I got to about 205. He was like, the NFL is not about being big. It's how you move. I need you to lose weight. And I was. I'm built like I'm ripped up. I'm like, where I lose weight at. And I lost weight.

[James Harrison]

On that field.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I was drinking that milkshake. Those, like, four scoops of ice cream. And then I make a milkshake. Sometimes at night, I just stopped doing that because I eat the ice cream. And then some nights I make a milkshake. Yeah. And I just lost weight.

[James Harrison]

That's simple. That's easy. All you got to do is step away from the table. A lot of people don't understand that. Like, I don't eat that much. I only eat once a day. But you snacking all throughout the day, and you tearing up, you know, three, 400 carbs, you know, from all the high fatty food, little chips here, you know, nuts here, and all the other, you know, all the other stuff, you know, trail mix and all that. And they think, you know, it don't really count. I'm like, yeah, so.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

So what was it about RC when you saw him that made you want to go work with Ian? Because he referred. What was it that you saw in RC that made you say, let me go try him out?

[James Harrison]

So what happened is I was having issues with my back, and R.C. was like, yo, you need to see my dude. And so that season leading up to when we played Green Bay in the Super Bowl, Ian was doing soft tissue work on me, you know, helping me get through the season so that I didn't have to get, you know, surgery. So that's what initially got me into seeing him. So I was seeing, like, once a week. You know what I'm saying? And from there, after that happened, I ended up getting my surgery done, and I had already made the plans that I was going to go out there and train, but when they locked us out, I ended up going out there and doing all my therapy out there. And, like, I'm so happy that. That, you know, that that's what happened. My recovery, the buildup was totally different than, you know, what you're going to get, you know, at the team, how they proceed and do their therapy. You know, his understanding of how the body works, what's going to, you know, what you combine with this and what you combine with that to, you know, to get a better result, you know, from, you know, just even exercise. You know what I'm saying? Combining different exercises to get a.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

What city? What city? In. In Arizona.

[James Harrison]

In Scottsdale. It's in Tempe now.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Man. I might have to go with Ian. I might have to take my son out because I had terrible back problems.

[James Harrison]

Dude, I'm telling. If I. If I had had Ian at the very beginning of my career, I almost feel like 100% that I would have never had to have the surgery.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Really?

[James Harrison]

No. Yes. Like, you got to realize, you know, they say, oh, well, your knee is, you know, it's wear and tear. The cartilage is scraping, so they want to go in and scope it. Right. Well, what you don't understand is not just wear and tear. Something's not firing right. Your muscles aren't functioning the same way they were before, so it's causing your knee to not wear into that same groove. Maybe it's edging off like this, and now it's scraping on that cartilage. So what they go in and do is they go in and fix what's giving you the pain. They don't actually fix what causes it.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah, they're not fixing them.

[James Harrison]

And actually did muscle testing and figured out, you know, what your. Your quad, you know, your. Your. One of your quad muscles isn't firing. Right. Let's do what we need to do to get that back activated and firing right. It'll line that alignment of that knee back up, and you won't have it, you know, scraping off cartilage.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Well, send me Ian number. Let Ian know you gave me his number. So when I hit him up, he ain't acting like he don't know who I am.

[James Harrison]

I hit it up. All you gotta do is text him, let him know you go. You go hit him up. But, yeah, now it's a busy season, so it's a bunch of guys out here, right?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

So. Oh, no, I'm just. It's for the future. I ain't. Listen, me working out. I'mma work. I'm doing. I'm doing Jim Jones workout, man. I'm doing pull ups, push ups.

[James Harrison]

We don't do that. If that's what you come to do, don't come here.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

No, I'm talking about for my son. Like, wait, I haven't. Man, I ain't got under a bench press. I haven't not benched at least 10 years.

[James Harrison]

Yeah. And Litha, it's a few. It's been a number of guys that come here talking about they're ready to get it in, and they go through leg day, and then we don't see them no more.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

See, but that ain't me, though. Like, mentally, I'm an animal. I'm like a Navy SEAL up here. Hey, I'm not quitting with nothing. I don't. I'll die before I quit. That's one thing that I will. I won't quit. Like, I'm throwing up.

[James Harrison]

You too much. Yeah.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Dudes won't come back after a hard day.

[James Harrison]

That, bro, they don't come back at all.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

That ain't me. Like, that's one thing about you don't.

[James Harrison]

See him no more. Cats get a week in there and they like, yeah, this is what it is. Yeah, this is what it is. It's work over here in pp.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Ain't no hoe in me. That's one thing. That's one thing. Like, no, no, no. I guess I just look like this, but I'm coming back.

[James Harrison]

Yeah, yeah, we love to work, like, you know, delay. I ain't gonna lie to you, man. Your first couple leg days, probably your first two, three weeks of legs, you know what I'm saying? Normally, the. The cycle goes Monday is legs, and Thursday is legs, and then Tuesday is basically back, chest, back. We call it push, pull. Wednesday is cores, it's core. Friday is shoulders, and Saturdays is buys and tries to do six days a week here.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

See, my core is strong. My core strong as hell. Because I always had a bad back. So I made sure that my course, it ain't no it. I'm doing all core. Like, I'm killing that. That's gonna be the easy day for me.

[James Harrison]

All right?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I'm telling you, I just. If I really worked out, I'll be built like you. I just today.

[James Harrison]

You. Don't get me wrong, you'll make it through. But you go.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I know I'm gonna make it through.

[James Harrison]

Oh, you go hurt.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

No, Question like I'm acting like it don't hurt.

[James Harrison]

No, you. It's impossible, man. Bro, I promise you, it's impossible.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I'm pulling up. I'm pulling up. So in. He. He doesn't got. And then when my son get of age, I'm bringing him out there for sure.

[James Harrison]

For sure. Start him young, you know. RC son, Jordan. Yeah, he's. Yeah, yeah, he, he. He's all. He's out here right now. But, you know, he went to Arizona State, so he actually got to do a. When he was in Arizona State, he got.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah, he got a lot of work with him. And I don't know, I just like.

[James Harrison]

RC worked with him from day one, you know what I'm saying?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

And RC's still going out there working out like he playing.

[James Harrison]

RC got his thing too, though. DB precision, though.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah. See? So I trained. I trained a lot of guys for the draft every year. I've been doing it now like five years. All receivers and tight end. I don't train probably like in the last five years, probably 30 first and second rounders.

[James Harrison]

Okay, that's what's up.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah, like, knock on wood. The last four years, that guy right there, I done trained the top rookie receiver in the league the last four years.

[James Harrison]

Okay. Okay. Yeah.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

And that, that part of it is fun. I like. I like the being able to teach them and the why. Okay, look, when he plays you this way, these are the things that we want to do. These are the things that we are looking for. We understand zone, where to sit.

[James Harrison]

I'm.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Look, I'm teaching them protections. Okay. I want you to look inside. If it looks like it's a blitz and it's going to be picked up, Understand what you can do. If it looks like it's a blitz and it's not going to be picked up, you can't be dancing at the line of scrimmage. If you have press coverage, the quarterback going to be on his back, no question. So we kind of go through everything. And now when my guys do their interviews, I got coaches now calling me like, TJ Buddy Sharp. He knows stuff like a quarterback. I'm like, exactly. Then we going over protection. We going over what? The middle linebacker job is covered for what? The safety job is covered for what is in cover three. Cover three. Scout, what's the fire zone? We going through all that. That part of it. That's partly why I'm probably not chubby. I got too much pride to get chubby. But when they, When I know the training is coming Around, I gotta make sure I'm in. I'm in shape. Cause I gotta move around with them. Like tomorrow.

[James Harrison]

I ain't gonna lie to you. I got fat there for a minute, so.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

But hey, tomorrow I'm hopping on the track and I'm running. Hopping on the track and I'm gonna run for a good hour. Let me get it in.

[James Harrison]

Do some. Yeah, I'm too heavy to run that long.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

How much QA I dropped so you about 250.

[James Harrison]

I'm down at like 255. 260.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

What was you, like, 280? Oh, Chad just texted me 380. Oh, he don't want no problems. I'll knock his ass out. Yep, he'll get tired in the first round.

[James Harrison]

Till Chad. I'm down. Tell Chad I'm down to 255.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Oh, he said he wore a tank top yesterday. Thought it was gonna scare me. He realized I ain't get scared, so he put a T shirt on.

[James Harrison]

Nah, it's my supplement company. Me and my partner in. It's Optimum efa. Yeah.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah, they. They gonna go.

[James Harrison]

Yeah, run that.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

The bu gonna go click. And they gonna. They gonna support you. The Debo gear and the Optimum. Lift it up a little bit more.

[James Harrison]

Lift it up a little bit more.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Optimum efx. There we go.

[James Harrison]

There it is.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

So let's get into some football. Let's get into some football. Your hometown team, the team that you will be going into the hall of Fame as representing this team, Pittsburgh Steelers. So Aaron Rodgers, he say, I don't want the attention. When I'm done playing, you won't see me. When this is all said and done, it's Kaiser Sosa. You won't see me. I won't be in public. In public. I won't live a public life. That's why it's so strange what's going on right now in my private life. Because I don't want to live a life in the public eye. I'm not going to be in the public eye. When this is done, I'm done. You won't see me. And I'm looking forward to that. Right? But then why you going to do the Pat McAfee show every Tuesday during the season? Why didn't you sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers a long time ago? Because the longer you wait, you know, you going to constantly be talked about how. One, do you believe that? Two, how is it going from a player? And when you're a good player, as you were and I was, you In a public eye, you can't go to the grocery store. Anywhere you go, you sign an autograph. Do you believe that's possible for Aaron Rodgers?

[James Harrison]

Do I believe it's possible for him to go off the map and be not sick?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Do you think he'll do that?

[James Harrison]

I don't know. He might want to go into the jungle and do what he was doing before. Like, I mean, if that's what I mean, that's possible. I would think so. But does he really want to do it? If I knew him better and then just all the stories I hear from all the stories I hear, I don't believe there's no way in hell he believe he's saying what he actually.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Okay, you don't know Aaron Rodgers, but you played with Ben Roethlisberger.

[James Harrison]

Is that like, no comparison? No, no.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

No comparison at all.

[James Harrison]

No, man. That.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

That's. That's.

[James Harrison]

That's why.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Why is that to explain that from the.

[James Harrison]

What I get from the media with Aaron. Ben is not. It's nowhere near there, you know what I'm saying? Like, the caliber of just, you know, over the topness and kind of just calling guys out and throwing cats under the bus, you know, coaches and all. I just didn't. I didn't. I didn't get that from Ben. You know, it may have been situations and circumstances where he may have said something and it was. It was taken by the media as that. But I'm, you know, almost 90% sure he probably said it to him behind closed doors before it was even said. So I. I just didn't. You know, the only thing that may have happened with being, like in his. When he was younger was, you know, he may have exaggerated how hurt he was or something, you know.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

So he wanted sympathy.

[James Harrison]

No, so it makes you look a little tougher, man. You know, Ben is a tough dude no matter what. Like, you know, he's sitting in there, he's taking the hits.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

He's doing all that Big is Big as, right?

[James Harrison]

You know, sometimes he may embellish, you know, a little bit of what's, you know, what's going on, you know, so that when they go out there and he dog y' all, you know, like.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Oh, my God, he played through so much. He got the victory.

[James Harrison]

So you're right. So.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Malcolm Gladwell here. I recently recorded the first episode of Smart Talks with IBM where I learned how AI agents are joining AI Assistants as a major productivity tool. Let's start with AI Agents. AI agents can reason, plan, and collaborate with other AI tools to autonomously perform tasks for a user. Brian Bitzel, an expert from IBM, gave me an example of how a college freshman might use an AI agent.

[Ryan Clark]

As a new student, you may not know how do I deal with my health and wellness issue? How many credits am I going to get for this given class? You could talk to someone and find out some of that, but maybe it's a little bit sensitive and you don't.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Want to do that. Bissell told me you could build an AI agent, a resource for new students that helps them navigate a new campus, register for classes, access the services they need, and even schedule appointments on their behalf, which in turn buys them more time to focus on their actual schoolwork.

[Ryan Clark]

We can see patterns of how agents and assistants can help employees and customers and end users be more productive, automate workflows so they're not doing certain types of repetitive work over and over again and streamlining their lives and making data more accessible to them 24 hours a day.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

To learn more about IBM's AI agents and how they can help your business, visit IBM.comagents.

[Ryan Clark]

Hi Zoe Saldana. Welcome to T Mobile. Here's your new iPhone 16 Pro on us. Thanks. And here's my old phone to trade in. You don't need a trade in. When you switch to T Mobile, we'll give you a new iPhone 16 Pro. Plus we'll help you pay off your old Phone up to 800 bucks and you still get to keep it. There's always a not Right now AT T Mobile I feel like I have to give you something in return for karma. That's okay. I don't really have much in my purse. Oh, let's see. Hand sanitizer.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

It's lavender.

[Ryan Clark]

I'm good. Seriously, Let me check this pocket. Oh, mints. Really, I'm fine. Oh, I have raisins. I'm a mom. Wait, wait one sec. I've got cupcakes in the car. It's our best iPhone offer ever. Switch to T Mobile get a new iPhone 16 Pro with Apple Intelligence on us, no trade in needed. Will even pay off your phone up to 800 bucks with 24 monthly bill credits. New line 100 plus a month on experience beyond Finance Agreement 999.99 and qualifying ported for well qualified plus tax and $10 connection charge payout via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days credits and imbalance due if you pay off early or cancel CT mobile.com Are you still quoting 30 year old movies? Have you said cool beans in the past 90 days? Do you think Discover isn't widely accepted. If this sounds like you, you're stuck in the past. Discover is accepted at 99 of places that take credit cards nationwide and every time you make a purchase with your card, you automatically earn cash back. Welcome to the now it pays to Discover. Learn [e-mail] credit card based on the February 2024 Nielsen report when it's Tip off time at my house, there are a few things that are must haves on my checklist. My fellow friends and fans. Check my favorite jersey. Check an iconic drink that's a fan favorite. Check. Hypnotic can turn any cocktail into an iconic creation. With its game changing color and tropical flavor, Hypnotic should be in everyone's starting five. I consider Hypnotic the point guard of my game day roster because not only is it versatile, like having it on the rocks or as a base for cocktails, it also finishes smooth and just like the banners in my stadium. Letting people know that we take championships seriously. Having Hypnotic at my watch parties lets people know that I also take quality seriously since it's crafted with high quality ingredients for a championship level drinking experience. So the next time you need a break from the action with a distinctive timeout, look no further. Grab a bottle of Hypnotic and make your next basketball watch party Iconic. Enjoy the vibrant taste with friends and turn every game into a memorable celebration. Hypnotic where every sip is a slam dunk. Hypnotic Liqueur Bardstown, Kentucky 17% alcohol by volume Hypnotic reminds you to think wisely. Drink wisely.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Okay, now you play. You played for Mike Tomlin. Do you believe Aaron Rogers and Mike Tomlin, they can make this relationship, this partnership work. Knowing the type of.

[James Harrison]

I think they can make it work if they win it. If they start losing and it's looking like they ain't gonna make above a.500, I think it gets real ugly real fast. Like to the point of like they.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

May don't think about what?

[James Harrison]

No, I'm saying to the point of like they may just be like you know what, let's let this dude go mid season for Aaron. Like let's just get him out of here. Put one of these other quarterback, you know Mike T ain't going nowhere. Mike T ain't going nowhere. So everybody that believe, you know Mike T needs to go somewhere that's not going to happen. You got a coach right?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

You don't believe it's possible. You don't think it's in the realm of any possibility that Aaron Rodgers can get Mike Tomlin fired at all?

[James Harrison]

No. Only person get Mike Tomlin fired Is Mike Tom. If he goes and, you know, and puts up a couple losing seasons, then I don't see him getting fired. You know, he has a number of years left on his contract. I could see the possibility of them not renewing him, but not firing him. That's just something that the Steelers not going to do, especially after having, you know, this much success over that longer time frame without a losing season. Don't get me wrong. Yes, I understand. We have not won a playoff game since 2016, and they ain't going to.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Win one this year either.

[James Harrison]

And that is a huge, that is a huge drought. But you know, you got six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. You know what I'm saying? Grass ain't always green on the other side. And you know, maybe a lot of people don't want to go over there and check it out. So.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I don't. Yeah, to me, I, I see it work when you win. Covers up a lot.

[James Harrison]

Covers up a lot.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Covers up a lot. When you start losing, then it's gonna come out. Cause man, you should have signed earlier. Wait until mini counter sign. You'd have been hearing the OTAs and.

[James Harrison]

Would have been more.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

It'll have something to say when you start losing, but when you win and it kind of just covers up.

[James Harrison]

It covers up all. All the bs. It covers up all the bs. It comes all the stuff in the locker room. As soon as you start losing, the first thing the media is in there doing is they watching now they're looking.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

You think the Steelers can make the playoffs?

[James Harrison]

Do I think the Steelers can make the playoffs?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah. Really? Yeah. Who they gonna, who they gonna knock out? Because let's just go through it right now, right? We got the Chiefs in there, right? Yeah, right. Go ahead. The Chargers. No, they made it last year. Jim Harbaugh got lucky. No, no, no. Jim Harbaugh, his second year as a head coach. Everywhere he's been has been a huge jump. You think that jump is not gonna continue or you think it stops just this every, every place he's been?

[James Harrison]

No, I'm playing with you, okay? I'm not putting.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Hold up. Let's go. We gonna go through the AFC and I want you to tell me who they gonna knock out. So we think the Chiefs, the Chargers, the Broncos. That's the AFC west because those all three were playoff teams last year. Bo Nixon, his second year, he's probably gonna be better with Sean Payton.

[James Harrison]

No, he gonna have that sophomore let.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Down sophomore slump, huh? Okay. And then you go to the AFC east. The bill's gonna be in. So that's four teams that made it AFC North. We probably gonna pick the Ravens for sure. That's five teams. And then you got the AFC South. Whether it's the Texans, the Colts, the Titans, whoever it is, you gotta realize something.

[James Harrison]

Of all those teams you said, I feel like our defense can play better. And if we get a quarterback that can.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Actually, I don't believe y' all defense was better than the Broncos defense last year. They weren't better than the Broncos. The Broncos had one of the best defenses in the league with two of the better pass rushers in the league.

[James Harrison]

I said it could play better. I didn't say it was better.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

But if they didn't play better last year, you got the young defense that got better in Denver, because now this is what. This how I look at it. The Steelers going to be competing with these teams because it's going to be one spot for all these teams. I'm about to name the Miami Dolphins, the New England Patriots, and the Bengals. Those three teams.

[James Harrison]

Yeah, we got all them, huh? We got all them.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Y' all can't listen to that.

[James Harrison]

We got Bengals.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Y' all not beating us. Y' all not beating us.

[James Harrison]

Come on, now.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Y' all not gonna beat us. Yes. Y' all can't stop us.

[James Harrison]

Stop who?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Joe Burrow, Jamar, Chase T. Higgins, Chase Brown, Mike Gasecki. Y' all not stopping us. And then. And then that O line.

[James Harrison]

What happened last year, huh? What happened last year?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

One and one, okay? And the bad part is the game that y' all won. It was un effing, bro. We let Russell Wilson shred us for 400 yards in the air. Best game of the season. We got new defensive coordinator. I'll bet money on that. We gonna beat y' all ass both games this year. Hey, you know what? Now that we talking about the Steelers and Bengals producers. Hey, y' all got the clip that we was talking about yesterday when I did my shoes? So we can get in that real quick before Keely Ringo get on. Y' all got. Y' all got that. Okay, hold up. Pause it, pause it, pause it. Pause it right quick. Pause it right quick. So let's go. Backstory, right? So that season, we were one of the best teams in the league. We all young, Carson, our quarterback, myself, Chad, Chris Henry at receiver, may he rest in peace. We. We was damn near unbeatable. Our offense was top three in the league, if I'm not mistaken. Our defense, total yards weren't good, but they were number one in forced turnovers. And we played the Steelers in Pittsburgh. And I forget. The hotel we stayed at was a big ass hotel in Pittsburgh, man. And I get on the elevator, bunch of Pittsburgh Steeler fans, and they, you know, they talking shit, but they being super cool. So I told Buddy they had terrible towels and they're just waving them and I'm just joking with them and whatnot. And I say, hey, let me buy that from you. $20. He's like, no, I said $100. As soon as I said $100, he said yes. So I gave him $100, and he gave me the terrible, terrible time for 1999. From where?

[James Harrison]

Anywhere.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I'm about to get on a team bus to go to the stadium.

[James Harrison]

Oh, right there.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah. And so we come out for pregame. We come out for pregame and I got it onto my left side as a streamer. So I'm warming up with that thing, you know, with that thing now. And Marvin walks by me and he snatches it. So I turn around. Cause I took myself pregame. I turn around like, marv, give me it back, bro.

[James Harrison]

What you.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I like. I try to take it back. He wouldn't give it back to me. So the whole game, obviously I didn't have it. So the game ends. By the way, I had a great game. I had two touchdowns over. I think I had over a hundred yards, but I know I for sure had two touchdowns. So as we walk into the tunnel, it was hanging out of. I guess he must have given it to Hugh Jackson. It was kind of. I could see part of it hanging out the back pocket of his pants. Man, I pulled that shit right on out. I'm running off the field like this, and then I get towards the tunnel and I was like, let me sit down and just do this. Now, y' all go ahead and play it. Go ahead and play it. So I just started doing that. Just. It was just kind of impromptu. I had thought about it and I didn't think anything of it.

[James Harrison]

Yeah, that was a downfall right there, baby.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

I didn't. I didn't think anything of it. I was just having fun, right?

[James Harrison]

You never heard the curse of the terrible time?

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Hey, I didn't. It real. It's real crazy because I talk a lot. Video. I play video games, right? Just Madden. I'm in a Madden chat right now. The chat. Damn near every player in the chat is from Pittsburgh. They all love the Steelers. And so when they. Because I don't tell people who I am. So when they found out it was me. I know them boys hate me. Cause I be talking shit they be talking. I just lost to one of these motherfuckers in the AFC Championship game, too, by the way. But anyway, explain to the people, the listeners. So we played, y' all. We had a home game. We ended up playing Cincinnati Bengals, Pittsburgh Steelers in a wild card game. We were at home. We should have won that game. We were winning that game.

[James Harrison]

I didn't even get to play all that game. I got hurt.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah. Like, that was my super bowl. Because had that not happened to Carson when they introduced me, they wouldn't be saying Super bowl champ T.J. wu Schmezada. Because nobody was beating us that year.

[James Harrison]

Yeah. If you didn't. If you didn't rub your feet on.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

That towel, oh, we lose the game. Carson Palmer gets hurt first play. Chris Henry gets hurt the first play, which was a 50, 60 yard bomb, if you recall. First play of the game. We bomb the fuck out of y' all and both of those guys go down. Now, let's rewind. Explain, because I've heard it so many times, but I'm getting bits and pieces of it. Bill Coward, head coach, explain all of that that led up into it. And then. He'll be honest with you.

[James Harrison]

I really couldn't recall exactly what he said in the. In the meeting. But it was pointed out and the video was shown for sure. Like. Yeah, it. It. It was shown. And like I said, I think I got hurt the very first play, like, on kickoff. And then the next play, I think, is when. Oh, dude, got y' all quarterback got hurt at Kemo.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Kemo hit him low. Che. Ch. Cheap shotted him.

[James Harrison]

Nah, you know, Kimo don't cheap shot.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

No, he's not a cheap. No, he. He's a. He's a standup dude. He. I wouldn't. He did cheap shot him purposely. But it was a late hit and it was low.

[James Harrison]

It was low. I don't know how late it was. He was kind of falling into it, so.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Towards acl. Yeah, it was. But with that being said, I believe we were up. It was either 177 at halftime or 17 10. We still should have won the game. We had a lot of. We had a lot of mishaps at halftime. Chad explain that to y' all when he come back. He can explain that to y' all if he wants to. Y' all ask Chad, you know what the mishaps were work at halftime. But yeah, man, that. That was the year. So I'm young. That's pro. That's my third or fourth year maybe. So I'm thinking, oh, next year we gonna be right back here. We. We gonna be right back. We got the same team.

[James Harrison]

Nope, it don't work like that, bro.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

It don't work like you think.

[James Harrison]

Cats don't. Cats don't understand and realize all of the nuances that go into each season and each game and each play and how this play right here could have turned out differently. And they don't understand how hard it is to get back, especially when you get there, like young, you know, it's like, no, that.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

That. That is. I was like, we gonna be back next year and never got back. We was always good on offense, though I will say that we were still running and gunning on offense. We was out that bitch like the Pacers or the Golden State Warriors. We just. Well, the Pacers championship like the warriors, but we just. Yeah, we weren't winning.

[James Harrison]

You always go too far.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We wasn't going to stay because that's winning championships.

[James Harrison]

The volume.

[Ryan Clark]

This is Jenny Garth from I Do Part 2.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Can't afford Ozempic?

[Ryan Clark]

Try WeGovy from Future Health. Just $199 and FDA approved for weight loss. No insurance or tricky syringes needed, just results. Visit futurehealth.com, that's future without the E.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

And start losing weight this week. Future Health weight loss data based on independent studies sponsored by Future Health Future Health is not a healthcare services provider.

[Ryan Clark]

Meds are prescribed at providers discretion. Looking for excitement? Chumba Casino is here. Play anytime. Play anywhere. Play on the train. Play at the store. Play at home. Play when you're bored. Play today for your chance to win and get daily bonuses when you log in. So what are you waiting for? Don't delay. Chumba Casino is free to play.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Experience social gameplay like never before. Go to Chumba Casino right now to play hundreds of games including online slots, Bingo, Slingo and more. Live the chumba [e-mail] no purchase necessary.

[Ryan Clark]

VGW Group void where prohibited by law.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

21 terms and conditions apply. Add dry eye relief to your routine With Refresh Opteeve Mega 3, a lubricating.

[Ryan Clark]

Eye drop with a moisture rich, preservative.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Free formula enhanced with inactive ingredients like flaxseed oil and antioxidants. This formula supports all three tear film layers and provides advanced hydration to instantly moisturize and soothe dry eyes. Refresh Optiv Mega 3 is safe to use as often as needed so you can make it part of your wellness routine.

[Ryan Clark]

Find Refresh online or in the Eye.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

Drop section at eye all major retailers, FSA and HSA eligible.

[Ryan Clark]

Oral health goes beyond just aesthetics. It's deeply connected to your general health and well being. That's why preventing oral health problems before they start is so important. When you use the Colgate Total Active Prevention System, you're not just helping to prevent oral health problems like cavities and gingivitis, you're laying the groundwork for overall wellness. Colgate Total's three product routine includes a reformulated toothpaste, an innovative toothbrush and a refreshing antibacterial mouthwash that all support a healthy mouth. In fact, the three products were designed to work together to be 15 times more effective at reducing bacteria buildup in six weeks starting from week one compared to a non antibacterial fluoride toothpaste and flat trimmed toothbrush. Take control of your oral health and get the Colgate Total Active Prevention System today so you can be dentist ready. Visit shop.colgate.com total.

[T.J. Houshmandzadeh]

This is an iHeart podcast.