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Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us. As you watch the Pittsburgh Steelers stay atop of the AFC north thanks to a 2815 victory over the Guppies. The Steelers are 7 and 6 stay a game half a game ahead of the Baltimore Ravens and they play. I think they play next week. Don't the Steelers in the Ravens play next week, but we shall see. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. We would like to thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support because none of this is possible without you. Y' all already know who I am. The introduction wasn't even needed. I'm your favorite unc and that is my partner and co host, the Liberty City legend. The bingo ring of fame honoree. A former pro bowler and an all pro, he's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. 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Excuse me. Or 8 and 6 remain in first place of the AFC north while the Dolphins are ma. Are officially. We knew they've been eliminated, but you know, they were hoping, praying. Now they got a very tough schedule.
Rob Gronkowski
The.
Shannon Sharpe
The Lions, they go on the road at the Lions. Yeah, Steelers. Ojo. Excuse me. On the road at Steelers and home to the Ravens. No, excuse me. Oh, yeah. At Lions. At Browns. Home to the Ravens. Yeah. So they got two road games and a home game. The home game is at the Ravens and that's what the NFL has done. Everybody. Everybody's final game will be a division opponent because they got tired of people resting, Ocho. People resting their guys and not playing. And people are paid all these hive dollars for these tickets and.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
And the media companies like. Hold on now. We're not. We're not going to get a chance to see Mahomes. We're not going to get a chance to see the star quarterback because there's nothing else to play for right now. They wanted this thing for something to play for and they do have something to play for. The Steelers. The Ravens are right there neck and neck with them. They'll see if they can overtake them. But look, Steelers got off to a great start. Guys making plays. DK with a tremendous catch and run. Bade Scantlin, who just got there a couple of weeks ago, seemingly very familiar with Aaron Rodgers. So it's not surprised that he was able to. He understands what Rogers, when Rogers moves, he moves right along with him. Caught a touchdown. They tossed it to John who Smith. John who Smith ran it in. But I thought Aaron Rodgers spun the ball really, really well tonight. Oh Joe. 23 or 27, 224, two touchdowns, no interceptions. He was sacked three times. But hey, as long as you take care of the football, good things normally happen. What you like about what you saw from the Pittsburgh Steelers tonight?
Chad Johnson
I mean the Steelers look good. They look good on offense, they look good on defense. Special teams as well. Obviously special teams wasn't really a factor tonight. But Aaron Rodgers, like you did say man, he spun it really well. I think it was 23 for 27. 2 TD, 224. And that goddamn DK Metcalf is damn disrespectful. What he did, what he did on that play was very disrespectful. Obviously my, my Dolphins, my Dolphins we got to go back to doing tackling drills. I know the season is over but you got to be able to bring a man down in that situation like that for him to be able to maneuver like that in the middle of the field in the teeth, in the teeth of the defense. Stiff, stiff arm. A goddamn linebacker man like. But it was, it was, it was a one sided game all night. It was a one sided game. And something about tour, not even tour something about the Dolphins when it comes to cold weather. Anytime they have to play in weather below 40 we, we we we offer we we always losing his days back to Damn that damn the 80s, the 90s and even still to this day.
Shannon Sharpe
It'S something about to the 70s back.
Chad Johnson
Yeah 70s it us playing in the cold weather. I think Tua coming to this game he was 05 or maybe 0 and 4 something, something to that magnitude when it comes to playing in, in 40 degree weather or below. And I would listen I, I was hoping, I was hoping. I, I didn't want to, I didn't want to bet with my heart tonight. So I kind of. I kind of. I threw caution to win to understand.
Shannon Sharpe
You did the right thing.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, I did. I did. I did. And so. You know what? I'm not. I'm not even upset. I'm not. I'm not even upset. I'm not mad. I'm getting disappointed. I'm just disappointed because it's the same thing every single year. It's always been this. It's always been this problem, and it is what it is at this point.
Shannon Sharpe
This game Sunday is going to be between the Sardines and the Jack Mackerel because both of them stink. Your Dolphins and your Bengals. Yes. Saw one sar. You. I'll let you pick whoever you want to be Sardines. The other one will be Jack Mackerel, because anybody that's ever had Jack Mackerel, and you know what Sardines is? They both stink. Both of your teams stink.
Chad Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
Guppies. That was awful. I mean, now all of a sudden, you get down 20, what, 28 to 3, and now you want to show life. Yeah, you want to show life, basically. Game over, man. Get your ass on that. Get your ass out that field, get in there, get a warm shower, get on the bus and get y' all ass back to Miami. Cause y' all didn't do anything for the first three quarters, and now all of a sudden, y'.
Rob Gronkowski
All.
Shannon Sharpe
We could have been on the. We could have been here 30 minutes sooner.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Yeah, it. It hurts. It hurts. And I. I think Tua. I love Tour, but he has a problem, obviously. He's one of. One of the. One of the better quarterbacks in the NFL when it comes to being able to anticipate throws and throwing. Throwing balls and windows. But he struggles really bad against zone. He struggles real bad against zone. I'm not sure what the statistics are, but all of his interceptions are basically in zone coverage. You know, not. Not realizing where people are and. And knowing, you know, knowing where to place the ball as far as ball placement is concerned. And. But when it's man to man, he is extremely, extremely accurate and successful. But anytime his own, it's always a goddamn interception.
Shannon Sharpe
Man, every time that he threw to Samuel Jr. Bro, what you thinking?
Chad Johnson
I mean, nothing.
Shannon Sharpe
First of all, there's nothing to hold him in the flat, so he's going to keep retreating. Yeah, you threw that ball up. You. You throw it up, hoping. Yeah, that's not how you play quarterback. You don't throw it up. Boy show hope he catch it. I show hope He, I sure hope he drop it. I show hope he's. No, I'm just, I, I'm looking him like first of all, Ocho, he doesn't look, he does have anticipatory skills and he has to because he doesn't have an arm that can fit it in the tight windows. So he has to throw it and that's okay. That's fine.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
But here's the thing. The ball gets really heavy when you play in cold weather.
Chad Johnson
Cold weather.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And so now you got to have some oomph. Yeah. In order to spin it and fitting it, fit it in those windows. Look, there are some calls. Look, I, I, I get it to the letter of the law. Brooks did stand up over Friarmouth. I get it. You want to say unsportsman, like conduct, but that one, 12 men on the field. That man was on the damn sideline.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, he was, he was.
Shannon Sharpe
What happened was, is that they missed the, they missed the PI call.
Chad Johnson
Uh huh.
Shannon Sharpe
So they say we got to give you something because Rogers was complaining. Everybody was complaining that man was on the damn sideline.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Standing there. Hell, I thought he was going to get ready to run into the game. I didn't know he had ran off the field come out of the game.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
But I, I don't know. Look, it looks like, I mean, I think they're trying to trending to, to keep McDaniel Ocho.
Chad Johnson
Yes sir.
Shannon Sharpe
They got look, I like look, I, I, I think Darren Waller, he came back and he played really well. He's a big guy, can make catches.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I was glad he dodged the bullet because he caught one in the zone and, and Samuel Jr. Went low on it.
Chad Johnson
He went low. I mean, he went low. He went low for a reason.
Shannon Sharpe
You understand? Darren Wallace, 6, 6, like 255, 260. He's gonna run a little ass over. So he did he look, and I know it looks nasty because we just saw Zach Ertz get injured on a.
Chad Johnson
Very similar exact same way.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but you know, he's like, hold on, I'm five. Whatever. I am not even £200. He's six six, 255. No, you're not gonna run me over.
Chad Johnson
But honestly, forget the physics. Forget the physics of the weight, of the weight differential. Listen, the rules in general handicap him. If he even wanted to go high. Even if he wanted to go high, he can't because there'd be a flag and it'd be a fine. So what is.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, he'd have to jump on a trampoline to hit him in his head. Cause he ain't but five, six.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, yeah. He's small, but give or take.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
I'm just saying most, most defenders are all going low. They're going low now and taking the knees out because they don't want to get in trouble. Because of the rules. Defensive, defensive players have been handicapped, you know, tremendously by the NFL and his rules.
Shannon Sharpe
Look, I think the Steelers are okay, but it's hard for me to take anything away from this game because I don't really think the dog. The, the guppies are really good. I really don't. And especially in this environment now, you know, if it's early in the season, because normally we get a good indication because we know the Dolphins play well at home. Okay. At home, but they normally play better in warm weather.
Chad Johnson
Yes, we.
Shannon Sharpe
You get them in a situation like this. Steelers say it's not my fault. The schedule made. This is what the schedule makers put it. They put your ass here in December right in Pittsburgh. It is what it is. But we'll get a better indication. We'll see how Pittsburgh look against a team that can move the football.
Rob Gronkowski
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
Get up and down the field. They got guys that can, that can spread you out. Jameson Williams, they got Amon Ra. They got a two back system with Gibbs and Montgomery. So it's going to be very, very interesting on a defense that's attacking, that can get after you. The question is because in that building you're probably going to have to put up some decent, decent amount of points. The question is, can the Steelers get to say, 31, 35 points on the road?
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Because as good as they are, I don't believe the Steelers defensively, I don't think they can slow him down.
Chad Johnson
No, no. I mean, well, if you look at it, if you look at it, they play the Lions next, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Johnson
If you look at what the Lions did. Well, have been doing all season long, you know, they've been phenomenal. The run game has set up the pass. Aman Ra last game had a phenomenal. Had a phenomenal game. Jameson Williams had a phenomenal game.
Shannon Sharpe
100, 164. The other 137.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, I, I think for the Steelers to have any kind of success, it's not a. They have to the defense, that should have been great based on what they have on paper. They got to, they got to elevate their level of play because I don't see the Steelers as a, as a team offensively that can go out there and score 30, 35. Hell, in a. In a loss. The line just lost to the rams. They scored 30 something.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Chad Johnson
You know, but I just. I just don't. The Steelers have to play Steeler defense in order for them to have a chance. Let's say they win the AFC north if they get to the playoffs, you know, the defense is going to have to be the one to take them as far as they want to go. It ain't going to be the offense.
Shannon Sharpe
But the thing is, like you said, the Steelers defense is going to have to keep this game under control.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Because if they don't. Can. Can the Steelers on the road go get 30 plus? That's what you're asking yourself.
Chad Johnson
You think about it. How many times. How many times did The Steelers score? 30 all season. Huh?
Shannon Sharpe
But when you look at Detroit, though, Ocho, their defense, their secondary, they don't really got no starters. All the starters are out, everybody hurt. Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
If can. Can we hold up long enough to get DK and to get gain. Well and to get some of these guys and matched up in coverage to take advantage of the back end, can we hold up? Because if they can, I think there's some plays to be made on the back end. Yes. You can't. Well, you're going to have a long. Like any other thing, you're going to have a very long night.
Chad Johnson
Long night.
Shannon Sharpe
But the thing is like that zone blitz, that zone blitz that the Steelers like to run.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Is that you get guys that hit creases and they're gone. It's a real Almond Ross. Saint Brown is great. He's great at finding space. Jameson, we know he can take the top off. So they got. They got guys that can exploit a lot of what the Steelers do. The Steelers know. They got. Look, this is a very important stretch for them. Yeah. They look, they know at the end of the day, they're at the Browns and they get the Ravens at home.
Chad Johnson
Hey, that. Hey, that Raven, that Ravens game.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but that Ravens game, that might be for everything, Ocho.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. The deciding factor, you know, on. On how that season goes, whether you. Whether you're going home or you get.
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Chad Johnson
Whether you grabbing that goddamn garbage bag.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And I also, Ocho, I think Detroit, this might be there. This might be their Waterloo. This might be their last stand. Because if they lose, Ocho, there's a good chance they're not going to make the playoffs.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, you right, they're not.
Shannon Sharpe
Because if they lose, they're not catching Chicago.
Chad Johnson
No, no, they don't have already.
Shannon Sharpe
You're already in third behind Green Bay because Green Bay's already beat you twice.
Chad Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
So now you're behind them. So you lose, there's a good chance you're not going to make the playoffs because you got to look at what's out west. Look at those guys. That's out west. Hey, the Rams gonna win. It look like the Rams of Seattle. Somebody's gonna win that division. But look at the record. They got two other teams that have a better record than you. We know there's only one team coming out of the South. We know there's one team coming out of the East. So you got your four divisions and you three wild cards. Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Ah, it's looking iffy. Hey, it's looking iffy.
Shannon Sharpe
So you got two. I think they're gonna be two wild cards. Two wild cards that come out of the. The west, and that means you're gonna have to overtake Green Bay to be the third wild card, because I think Chicago's gonna win that division.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Yeah. Think they got. They gonna win it.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, they definitely. Definitely. They definitely gonna win it.
Shannon Sharpe
So it's. It's gonna. It's gonna be interesting. Oh, Joe, when you see this, you see dk. He only had. He didn't have a whole lot of opportunity, but you can see his ability. Yeah, he gets the ball in his hand. You ain't really trying to tackle him in the cold. Hell, you ain't really trying to tackle 75 degrees. No, that's a big. He a big ass, man.
Chad Johnson
That's a big boy. Boy, that's a big dude. And most of the time, especially for DBs, he's bigger than most defensive backs. Really? All of them.
Shannon Sharpe
All defensive backs.
Chad Johnson
Hey, he's about to. He's about the size.
Shannon Sharpe
He's a linebacker side. He's.
Chad Johnson
He.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he's a linebacker side.
Chad Johnson
He's a linebacker, basically, you know, because if you think about the linebackers during our time, uncle, when we played, they were bigger. They were more stocky because they. They were. They started.
Shannon Sharpe
Stop the run game.
Chad Johnson
Stop the run. That's it. Man, DK had the same size that almost every. Every. Every. Every every. Every Mike Backer, all of them. So you got to make a business decision when you get up there and you get ready to tackle him. And. Hey, that's a big dude, man.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Miami misses the playoff for the second straight year. Look, they're going to be. They got. They got. They. They got to do some changes. Look, they went for it. Ocho And. And you got to give them credit. They go for it.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And you don't get it. You don't get it. So we got to start selling off assets, Ocho. Yeah, we. We got. We gotta sell out. You see that? We know they're gonna move on. We always thought. We thought Tyreek was going to be a trade, a trade deadline move, but clearly with the injury. But he's not coming back. You see, they've already. They made the move with Ram. Jalen played well for them. They're going to be some other moves. You know, you pay tour, you're kind of stuck with him, at least for another two years. Yeah, you got to do something with a chan.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, well, you. Hey, a chan can't go nowhere.
Shannon Sharpe
No, I'm saying you got to do something with him. You got to pay.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, you got. You got to take care of him. You got to take care of him. He's been one of the few bright spots all season long, since Tyreek went down, he's been that bright spot. Like, if there's one person that people are coming to see and put butts in the seats when we come down here to Hard Rock Stadium, hell, when I go to the goddamn game, like, I understand we have a team. I understand we have a team. But, hell, I want to see what they chan Finn to do. I'm going to the game with my kids simply to see young Bull, you know, I mean, everyone else that's out there, I mean, it's cool. But there. There's nothing else that brings me any excitement or any joy on that team outside of hn.
Shannon Sharpe
And you look at Jalen Waddle. Waddle is a two. He's a complimentary so he ain't not a one. And so when you got Tyreek, that's gonna lift coverage. Yeah. And now you're gonna let him work one on one with the second or third best guy. You let him find those soft areas. Okay, fine. Yeah, but when you ask him, See, I look at a one.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You can go other places and stand.
Chad Johnson
And still be a one.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm not saying. Well, he'll want on. Yeah. Somebody gotta be a one on a team.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Right.
Shannon Sharpe
You know. You know what I'm saying? Oh, so. And I'm not saying you got to be Chase. I'm not saying you got to be, you know, one of those guys, but I'm saying a one that. You know what? Okay, he can go. He can go somewhere else, and he can stand out.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I look at Waddle, I Look at Waddle as a two.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. I mean, you know, me personally, I.
Shannon Sharpe
Don'T think he's better than George Pickens. But at least.
Chad Johnson
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Two different completely styles of receiver.
Shannon Sharpe
But I believe Pitt could go somewhere else if his mind is right. Yeah. Be a number one.
Chad Johnson
One one. Yeah, absolutely. I, I think Pickens is one of those players because of his skill set, because of what he can do when he get the ball in his hands. Hell, he's a one on any goddamn team.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
If used correctly. And I think a player of Jalen Waddles caliber, if used correctly, he can be a one. But the fact that he's in a offense that isn't really conducive for what he's able to do. You don't view him as that one.
Shannon Sharpe
But you know what? Ocho is funny because I look at him, he's a speed guy, a fan, but they use him more in the slot as a possession guy. Yeah, they don't use him outside as much, Ocho. They don't use him.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Like the Lions use Jameson Williams. See Jameson Williams, he. Even if Jameson Williams in the slot.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Getting deep.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Or he's getting across the field deep. So just know he's getting deep. Now occasionally they'll line up with him slot Ocho and they'll run a quick screen to him. Yeah, they'll have a, A penisul kick out.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And they'll have an almond rod, you know, and so you get up, try to get up inside. But for the most part he's trying to get deep. That's what he, that's what you should do with a guy that can run 4, 3. Waddle can run 4 3, but they use it more on like I'm like drags and like little Buck. Come on, bro, let him get down the field.
Chad Johnson
You know whose fault that is? I mean that, that the onus of that is being able to be creative, put him in position to be able to make those plays and take advantage of him being as fast as he is and they, they just don't do that. They don't do it.
Shannon Sharpe
They definitely have it. So it's going to be interesting. But I think Miami, there are some teams that. There are some teams that's going to have to go change it, make some changes. Ocho. But there's also some teams that were forced. And we're about to talk about a team that was forced to make changes because what happens is that when you're winning you're like, what? Why Are we changing? We're winning, right? But the Chiefs missing the playoffs? That's going to be a totally different team next year. So let me get this straight. Your company has data here, there and everywhere, but your AI can't use the data because it's here, there and everywhere? Seems like something's missing. Every business has unique data. IBM helps your AI access your data wherever it lives. To change how you do business, let's create smarter Business. IBM.
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Shannon Sharpe
It can also cause low blood cell.
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Counts, kidney problems and infertility.
Shannon Sharpe
Tell your doctor if you notice weakness.
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Ask your doctor about Plavicto because just like in football and every play, every.
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Chiefs released an update on Mahomes this evening saying the injury Update on QB Patrick Mahomes Patrick Mahomes successfully underwent surgery in Dallas this evening with Dr. Dan Cooper to repair tears to his left ACL. But he also had LCL, right? Okay, Mahomes will begin rehab process immediately. The name surgeon sets off rumors throughout the social media. Dr. David Choi I guess a child chow. Excuse me. Patrick Holmes underwent surgery tonight to repair acl. The timing and the surgeon who performed the surgery essentially confirms he also tore his lcl, which makes recovery time more difficult. Because if I'm not mistaken, Ocho, he's the guy that repaired Teddy Bridgewater. Bridgewater.
Chad Johnson
In Minnesota. In Minnesota, yes. Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
And so this was later confirmed. According to Ian Rappaport, Mahomes also tore his LCL in his left knee. Typical recovery for such an injury is about nine months, meaning Mahomes will miss teams off season program and his availability to start the next season is in question.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
2026 NFL season opener is September 10th.
Chad Johnson
Now, now this is the thing. They, they say how much time it takes for people to heal from certain injuries. You know, everybody's body's different, everybody heals differently. Everybody. Depending on how much rehab you do, sometimes people come back faster than others. I think Norm Mahomes, he's one that won't come back until he's maybe close to 100%. You know, I think Mahomes at 95% is better than half the goddamn league at a goddamn hundred. So I think I say, I hear them saying nine months. But knowing him, knowing technology as advance as rehab methods are in the, in the resources that he has at his disposal, I see him coming back much, much faster than, damn, nine months.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, you got to be careful, Ocho, because, you know, he's a right handed quarterback and his left is his plant leg. Yes, it's got to be stable. Yes, it's got, he's got, you know, Tom Brady, Tom Brady tore his, and I think he tore his ACL and mcl. But that's the plan. That's the most important leg. Your quarterback, your right handed quarterback, your left is the most important.
Chad Johnson
Hey, just, hey, just thinking about that. Just, just a thought of it, of me not being able to function and having, having my knee and it just tearing up. Now they get it, give me the ick. It, give me it. Give me the ick. Just, just thinking about all the injuries and a lot of people complain, you know, Malik, neighbors, they say, oh, the turf, the turf. But you look at some of the injuries also, that's continuing to happen.
Shannon Sharpe
That was grass.
Chad Johnson
Michael Parsons, what they play on, huh?
Shannon Sharpe
They play great. It's. It's a combination, but mostly it's, it's. They have some synthetic sewn in, but that's mainly grass. I know, I played on it. Oh, yeah. Michael Parsons, torn acl. Mahomes torn acl. Nick Bosa, torn acl. Malik Neighbors, torn acl. Tyreek Hill, Tucker Kraft, Zach Erz Marshawn Latimer, on pace for the lowest year for ACL injuries in many years. It's just the names are so gargantuate. You're talking about Patrick Mahomes, you're talking about a Pro Bowler. And Michael Parson, you talk about a defensive player of the year and Nick Bosa, we're talking about Malik Neighbors who was sensational. Ertz, who's been a multiple time Pro bowl player. So there have been 30 ACLs torn so far this season in the NFL. Here's the numbers by season since 2013. Wow. In 2013, Ocho, there were 63. In 14, there was 45. In 15, there were 50. In 16, there were 49. In 17, 52, 18, 53, 34. In 19, 20, 19 there were 34. In 2020, there was 42. In 21, there were 57 and 22, 22. There's 51, 23, 43, 24, 38 and 25 with three games. Well, with the playoffs counting, so we'll see. There's a great chance that, that and hope, you know, but just playing the odds, you got three more regular season games and you got the playoffs in the Super Bowl. So there's a chance that this number could climb from the 30, which is the lowest since 2613 to an even higher number.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, I, I think, I think it's, it's unfortunate. I don't think there's any way to prevent it. Some of these injuries, most of them are non contact injury and just them making, making sudden movements. Making sudden movements. I don't know, maybe the bodies relax or maybe, maybe I don't, I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is and just, it sucks because these aren't just not, not, not that I'm saying that other players aren't important but you're, you're, you're polarizing figures, your impact players, the ones that, that put bus in the seats are getting injured and it sucks, man. It sucks.
Shannon Sharpe
And this surgeon also. Did you remember Jalen Smith? The Notre Dame guy that many thought wasn't going to be able to play again?
Chad Johnson
Went to the Cowboys playing.
Shannon Sharpe
He ended up playing and making a. He wasn't the same player that he was because he was about to be a top five pick. He had that kind of explosiveness and suddenness when he was at Notre Dame, the Fiesta bowl, he tore his knee. The Cowboys took a chance, let him, let him rehab and he turned out to be a very, very good player for him for, excuse me, for them, but I don't know, Ocho, normally you see a lot of ACL terrors and normally women tear their ACLs a lot easier because they don't have the muscle mass in the quads and the bone density that a male has. So you see them tear. You see them tear ACLs a lot. Soccer, basketball, something, you know, softball, stuff like that. You see them tear. Women Normally tear the ACLs a lot easier than men for the simple fact they don't have the muscle mass to distribute that force, because that's a lot of force. You talk about a man running 230, 240, 50, 60 pounds running stop, turn, jump, cut. And so you got to be able to have quad muscles, glute muscles, and hamstring to be able to, to stabilize that. Yeah, but it's tough and because like you said, I think we think it's more, it's just the names are bigger.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, Yeah. I, I wish I understood and, and was more knowledgeable about, you know, these injuries, why it's happening. I, I don't understand it.
Shannon Sharpe
No, you don't rhyme or reason.
Chad Johnson
It's, it's hard, it's hard for me to grab.
Shannon Sharpe
And the non contact.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, yeah. Yes. It's hard for me to grasp and, and quite understand it with the fact that my injury history, I mean, there really, there really is none. And watching some of these players go down, I just not, I'm not sure if the bodies relax at the wrong time. Are you, you lean in a certain way or you step in a certain way? I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't get it.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I mean, look, we, I've stepped and hyper expended standing by knee, but my thing, Greeks like you already had like your knees, you already had a little elasticity right. In your knees. Yeah. So, and maybe that was a blessing and a curse.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
But January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, you're gonna have to. Now you understand why he had the surgery immediately. Yeah, because the clock's ticking.
Chad Johnson
Absolutely. Absolutely. Listen.
Shannon Sharpe
And he go, hey, guess what, Ocho?
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
They're gonna, he gonna be bending that damn knee tomorrow. He had surgery today. They're gonna have him bending. We trying to get that knee to 120.
Chad Johnson
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And he's gonna be, he gonna be a working out twice a day. See, the thing is, is that you can't look at that as a, like, I think a lot of times in the chat, you look at it, you hurt your knee, you go, go to rehab twice a week. He go to rehab every day, and a lot of times he's going twice a day.
Chad Johnson
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Shannon Sharpe
With the best pts and physios that money can buy. So that's why the time gets sped up, is that you. Look at you dealing with guys that are going to physical therapy. Pt five days a week, sometimes twice a day. They got machines at home. Because when I broke my collarbone, Ocho, I got me a machine. I got me a game ready, right. I just located my elbow. Hey, I had all the machines. I bought me an ice machine for home, mocho. That'll make 300 pounds of ice a day. Yeah, I had everything they have. I had dip. I had. I had. I bought a cow trough. I couldn't afford no damn dip tape. Damn that. Yeah, I would bought me. I went to it. I went into a livestock store, Ocho, right?
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
A cow trough. Hell, yeah. And dump that ice in there. Put me some water there and get my ass up in there. But I had a game. I still got the game ready machine. Put it for my elbows, for my ankles, for my knees. Had one strap to go over my shoulder. Absolutely. Because I was trying to speed the process up. So instead of like, well, I ain't got no ice. I gotta wait till in the morning. Nah, every two and a half hours.
Rob Gronkowski
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I was icing again, Ocho.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
As soon as I felt it got warm enough that I could put it back on because I don't want to get frostbite.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
But, you know, keep putting ice on there and make us. Make exacerbate the situation.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
But that's what I did. Yeah, a lot. And a lot of guys do that. I got a steel machine, Ocho. I got me a laser machine. Oh, yeah.
Chad Johnson
God damn. You had a goddamn hospital right in the house.
Shannon Sharpe
I did. I did. I did, Ocho. Hey, I like Greek. What I need, I got me. I ain't get the high end like they got. Hell no.
Chad Johnson
Right, right.
Shannon Sharpe
Once I was healthy, what the hell I was gonna do with it.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, right.
Shannon Sharpe
I kept the game ready, but I let somebody borrow my damn steel machine, and they never gave me money.
Chad Johnson
Never. I knew he was gonna say that. I knew you were gonna say that. Hey, that's one thing about it. When you loan something out, you better write it down.
Shannon Sharpe
And. And my laser.
Chad Johnson
The red laser.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, I know who got it, but I ain't gonna say nothing.
Chad Johnson
You don't need. You don't need it no more.
Shannon Sharpe
I do. I still want it. I paid for it. He ain't pay me for it. When I see him, I might slap five from him.
Chad Johnson
Hell.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't. Man, I don't listen to the chat Y' all don't know what the hell y' all talking about.
Chad Johnson
What?
Shannon Sharpe
They said women are 2.8 times more likely to turn AC2 date. Yeah. Two to eight times. So they're almost. So for what I'm first of all, Ocho.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And I get it and I chat. I do, I do understand because there's a lot of. With AI, there's a lot of misinformation going on. Right. But I have a lot of friends that are in this profession that I can just pick up the phone and call. I. Dr. Bamfi and Dr. Tyberry and Neil Ellatroche and. And the Steadman Hawkins Clinic. Women are more likely to tear their acl.
Chad Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
Than a man. That's not conjecture. That's not speculation. That's not innuendo. That's fact. Now, I know y' all want to trap me. Y' all don't know what he talking about.
Chad Johnson
Listen, if you say it, when you say it and you say it's factual, I think for those that in the chat that don't know and just want to go argue the fact, I mean, there are statistics to, to prove those facts that you've been talking about.
Shannon Sharpe
They get mad, Oto, because they think, man think he knows everything. You remember we was having a conversation about T.J. watt.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Without knowing anything. What did I tell you, Ocho? You said after they punctured his lungs.
Chad Johnson
And it's exactly what happened.
Shannon Sharpe
How you know? I say because 31 year old don't have discomfort, lung discomfort, unless you have a contusion in the game. And if you have a contusion in the game, it's not delayed. Yeah. I have seen guys fall and, and collapse their lung.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
Because a puncture.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
They fell on the football or they got hit, but it's normally that night or early that morning, it's not three, four days later. So when they tell me that he had a collapse, that he collapsed lung. They punctured that lung.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You know, I didn't know. I didn't. I thought maybe he got an injection or something, but it would come from dry kneeling, you see. Oh, Joe, when you talk about me, I've had all those things go on. That's what really scared me because when I tore my rib cartilage, they would inject me. And I remember thinking like, damn, dodged it again. I still breathe fine. Because they ask you, how you breathing? I'm fine. I said, man, I done tempted this. I done did this three. I said, I'm done with this.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm done with this. But I'm telling you things. I was a professional athlete, guys. Damn. Whether I was good or not, I done been a pincushion.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Ribs, shoulders, ass, ankles. I had it all shot up.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Hey, I'm confused on something now. When it comes to dry needles, right. Do they insert the needle that far where it can.
Shannon Sharpe
Hell, yeah. Because here's the thing, Ocho, you gotta get it. You gotta get it in there. Because the thing is, it's like when I got my shoulders, they tried to, okay, give me the exact. What a point is, but they gotta move it around because they got to get as much medicine in that point. But you gotta realize this is bone. That needle is touching bone. Ah. You think about what's here, Ocho. You gotta realize that's what the ribs are for, is to protect vital organs. It ain't a big. It ain't a big leak. It's not. And I'm telling you, I'm trying to tell them that. Well, you think you know everything. No, I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything. But I know when you shooting, when you. When you start putting needles in your side.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And the lungs are right there. You're at. It's not always, but sometimes things can happen. They explained it to me, Ocho, so eloquently. They say, well, Shannon, you know, we keep doing this. There's a pro. There's a chance that you might have problems later on in life. I ain't promised to live later on in life. Give me that damn shot. You talk about what might happen later on in life. I'm talking about right now. I worry about later on in life. In life.
Chad Johnson
Hey, you trying to get on that goddamn feel, huh?
Shannon Sharpe
Was I. Why you think I shot up? I shot my ankles up in 93. In 93. The last 11 games in the postseason, I shot my ankle up. In 94, I shot my ankle up. I shot the left one up. Every single. Every single Sunday before the game. And then I ended up shooting. The last eight games, I shot up both of them. God damn. In Baltimore, I got my knees drained. My last year in Baltimore, Ocho, probably about last seven weeks. Yeah, I was getting both knees drained. I was getting 30, 40cc's pulled off.
Chad Johnson
My knees before every game.
Shannon Sharpe
Before the game. Yeah, But. But my thing was, Ocho, and I remember having a conversation with Ozzy. I said, ozzy, as long as I can go out there and play. And it can be somewhat.
Chad Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
Like S, H, R P E On the back of the jersey. Yes.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I say but what I can't. I'm not going to use that excuse as I'm hurt and that's why I'm not playing. Well, if I, if I can't be somewhat resemblance of myself.
Chad Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
I got to sit it down. I gotta trust that you got people behind me that can go get the job done.
Chad Johnson
Done. Right.
Shannon Sharpe
And so that, that's, that's all I'm saying. I, look, I, I get it and, and I have a whole lot of use useless information a lot of times.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
But I have a lot of useful information also. And when I'm talking about things I've been in locker room. When you've been around locker room. You know how it is. It's a little different now. You know, guys, they play more video games and they probably joke a little bit more than what we did. We had fun. We joke. But some of the stuff that they joke about now, that was never gonna fly in the locker room.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Not a locker room I was in. Maybe it is now, but, but. And you go look at the studies and see why women suffer more ACL tears than men and then get back. So let me get this straight. Your company has data here, there and everywhere, but your AI can't use the data because it's here, there and everywhere? Seems like something's missing. Every business has unique data. IBM helps your AI access your data wherever it lives. To change how you do business. Let's create Smile to business. IBM.
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You know what separates the pros from the rest? It's not just talent. It's how you respond. When the game gets tough, do you dig in? You fight back. And when it comes to your health, that same mindset matters. Yeah, especially if you or someone you care about is facing metastatic prostate cancer. There's a treatment called pluvicto lutetium LU177 vapivotide tetraxitan. And it's changing the game. Plavicto isn't chemo. It's a different kind of treatment that targets psma positive cells, including prostate cancer cells. Plavicto can be used before chemotherapy for some people. Here's the official word. Pluvicto is a prescription treatment used to treat adults with prostate specific membrane antigen positive metastatic castration resistant Prost prostate cancer or psma positive MCRPC who have already been treated with hormone therapy and are considered appropriate to delay chemotherapy. Now let's talk safety. Pluvicto involves contact with radioactivity, which may increase the risk for cancer and cause fetal harm. Drink plenty of fluids, urinate often, use contraception and talk to your doctor about how to reduce the risk of exposing others to radiation during and after treatment. It can also cause low blood cell counts, kidney problems and infertility.
Shannon Sharpe
Tell your doctor if you notice weakness.
Rob Gronkowski
Pale skin, shortness of breath, bleeding or bruising more easily an infection or changes in urination. Side effects include decreased blood cell counts, tiredness, dry mouth, nausea, appetite loss, joint or back pain and constipation. Look, every day matters and if you're in the fight or know someone who is, this is a conversation worth having.
Shannon Sharpe
Ask your doctor about Plavicto because just.
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Shannon Sharpe
Ocho Anthony Richardson has been cleared to resume physical activity after fraction of orbital bone during a pre game warm up incident in week six. Meanwhile, Shane Steichen confirmed that 44 year old Philip Rivers will serve as the team starter next Monday night against the 49ers state. Stichen also stated the Colts are non committal about if when Richardson would be brought off iron. Ocho, you ain't, you ain't you got three weeks left in the regular season.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, what are you waiting for?
Chad Johnson
They don't, they don't.
Shannon Sharpe
I think this will over. I think this will over him.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And we tried, we had that conversation. And I told him that day, I'm saying, I'm telling you as an athlete, the one thing, you know what, gambling is really bad. But if you quit on your team.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You take yourself Ocho, you tap yourself out.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
As a Ocho, I had never. And I told, and we talked about, I said ocho, I never heard of this. I've seen receivers run, gold run, go catch them, catch a ball, go 30, run another goal and tap themselves out.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I've never ever seen or heard of a quarterback tapping himself and coming out. And then he said he was tight. But see, everybody said, oh, you old, you old school, this new generation. But you got to understand, look what type of coach you got. Yeah, look at, and look at what, what happened with yo, you remember his, his teammates had a conversation with him?
Chad Johnson
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
I tried. Even before we knew anything, you and I was having a conversation when they talked about it after the game. Oh, you overreacted. You don't know this new king. Okay, I'm gonna argue with y'. All. Y' all know.
Chad Johnson
Listen, you, you, you always know what it is when you've been in that environment based on what you see and what you hear. You can damn that. You, you, you can, you can tell exactly what it is. And you knew it was, you knew what was coming because some of the rumblings coming out of that organization, it gets out on. It gets out for a reason. Huh?
Shannon Sharpe
Thank you.
Chad Johnson
It Gets out for a reason. You know, they signed Daniel Jones to that one year deal for 14 million. That much more than the. The person that you just took in the first round. The writing is on the wall. It was only a matter. It was only a matter of time.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Only a matter of time.
Shannon Sharpe
They didn't do it, but they did him a disservice because they didn't have. They said he was a project. Everybody knew he was a project, that he wasn't ready to start right away. Everybody knew that. Even, even they took him knowing this and they started him. Oh, Joe, he's never been more than a 50 completion guy. It's gonna be hard for you to make bones in this league right now as we currently sit completing only 50 of your passes. It's hard. Now, once upon a time in the 870s and 80s, you completed 55 of your passes. Boy, you were Joe Montana. Yeah.
Chad Johnson
You was the real deal.
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely. Now, if you don't complete at least 60, you're bomb.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And most. And you see guys, Ocho, 60, 65, 66, 68, 70. Right now, 70 now you. You entering godly territory. But when you look at this, you look at some of the things that you were hearing coming out of the locker room, I like, man, that ain't good. Everybody talking about like, he, he the last in. He the first leaf. Not as a quarterback. You can't be that. No, you got to be the last. You got to be the first in. And the last to leave. Yeah, not the last in, first to leave.
Chad Johnson
And, and you know, they. They can. They can see things we can't see. They know if you put in the work and obviously if you put in the work on, you'll see improvement and the results are going to show up on the field. The results are going to show up Sunday.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Johnson
And it just. Hey, it's so. It sucks for him because you understand also the way the NFL goes, you don't get many opportunities like that to be the starting quarterback of an NFL team.
Shannon Sharpe
No, you don't get very much.
Chad Johnson
You don't get very many chances.
Shannon Sharpe
No, absolutely not, Ocho. But I. I just wish they didn't do him any. Hold on. They didn't do him any favors, but he didn't do himself any favors.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
With the behavior that he. I remember, Chad, y' all remember he said that the NFL is easier than college. He said that. Oh, yo, I said, are you serious? Yeah, I have never. Ocho, I can honestly say I've never, ever heard a player in the NFL. I heard in basketball, because they can't play those little janky zone defenses. They can't play the boxing one. You got a straight up. Yeah. And guys that can put the ball on the floor. People said, Katie's gonna be a better NBA player than he was a college player. Well, damn, he was just a wooden award winner. He was the. Maxwell, he was the top player in college. What do you mean he's gonna be better? And lo and behold, look at Steph because now he can handle the ball. Put the ball on the floor, get to the rim, shoot over the top of you. You can run picks for him. I just. Ocho, despite going 6 and 5 as a starter last season, Richardson completed less than 50% of his passes and threw more interceptions. 12 that he did, TD passes, 8. It's. He's got to take. He's gonna have to make his mind up now. He. They might make it up for him and he'd be somewhere else, but he's got to make a decision. How good do you want to be, son?
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
How good do you want to be? Are you willing to put in the work and pay the price to be great? Because all that, all the, all that stuff, that, that, that. Four, four and that can throw the ball 85 yards. When are you gonna need to throw them on 85 yards anyway?
Chad Johnson
Never. Never.
Shannon Sharpe
When you gonna be on one knee and throw the ball 50 yards? Because if you, if you're on one knee, you down, it don't count anyway. So I just, I'm just being honest with you, Mocho. So he's gonna have to make a decision. Does he want to be good? Does he want to be great? What are you willing to do? See, I think that sometimes, Ocho, you write down what you want to be. Here's what I want to do. I want to do this, this and this and this. Okay. Over here, you need to see what you're going to really to sacrifice. Because a lot of times you want to accomplish this without any sacrifices. Over here, the greater the goal, the greater the sacrifices to meet sake goal.
Chad Johnson
You know, a lot of people don't do that. They think, they think they can do both. Ain't no short time, ain't. It would never work like that ever.
Shannon Sharpe
Ain't no, it ain't gonna. It doesn't work like that. And he just needs to make his mind up. But like I said, Ocho, you're not careful, they'll make. They'll make your mind up for you.
Chad Johnson
Well, hold on. They've Already done that. They've already done that. So I'm just. Where do we. Where do we go from here? We don't know just yet until the off season gets here, but I. I think he's going to get another chance. I'm not sure if it'll be another chance to start, but if he goes to another team or when he does, he needs to make sure he's ready when that. When that door opens, an opportunity presents itself, that's your shot to go out there and do, like, what we see Jacoby Brissette, you know, doing. I know he's somewhat of a journeyman and been around that, which is why he looks as efficient as he does.
Shannon Sharpe
But he'll be ready to play because that's what I got to have. Ocho, you got to be ready to step in.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Jacoby Brissette ain't gonna win no race, but when called upon, he's going to do what he needs to do. He'll keep you afloat until your starter gets back. He's going to know where he's supposed to go with the ball. He's going to know when he's supposed to go. Go with the ball. He's going to know all the audible. He's going to know all the things.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
He's not immensely as far as physical, gifted. I mean, I think he got the knee brace on.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Hey, he go.
Shannon Sharpe
He.
Chad Johnson
He gonna. Hey, he's. He gonna deal it now.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, he gonna spin it.
Chad Johnson
He gonna deal it.
Shannon Sharpe
I love that about it. I love. I. I love that. Look, Coach Belichick thought enough of him. They took him. And when Garoppolo got hurt before Brady came back, guess what? He won him a game. So like I said, he might not be. He. Look, he. He not. He might. He's not gonna win you probably 10, 11 games. But if you. He's your backup, you feel very good if something would happen to your starter.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Until your starter is able to get back, you feel very comfortable, confident that Jacoby Brissette can. Can hold the fort down and. But I think Anthony Richardson, bro, you got to make a decision, man. You got to make a decision. You're the fourth pick in the entire draft. You're immensely talented, but talented won't cut it. Hey, you got to prove this is a prove it league here. Yeah. Potential. I hope you know what potential is, Ocho. Potential mean you ain't done ish yet.
Rob Gronkowski
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Ain't nobody with potential has done anything. No, that's why they say you got Potential. You have to show it and all that. That big frames two. Running to four. Four at 245 and throwing the ball to the heavens.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Hey, that don't mean nothing. That don't mean that.
Shannon Sharpe
Not in that position.
Chad Johnson
Listen, it don't. It's a good thing to have, but when it's time to play and them bullets flying for real. 11, 11. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's. It's a mind game out there. It's a mental game. It ain't nothing but a chess match. That's all it is.
Shannon Sharpe
Look at Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers probably couldn't break a plate glass winner with a brick, but he got 65, 000 yards. He got four over 400 touchdowns.
Chad Johnson
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
So all that, all that little stuff. Oh, he got the big arm. That's fine and good, bro. You in the dome. I mean. Oh, yo, think about it. All his home games in a dome, Houston dome, Jacksonville. The worst you're going to get in Jacksonville is rain.
Chad Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
And get Tennessee. You catch Tennessee early in the year. You straight. You catch him this time of year, it might be a little cold.
Chad Johnson
A little cold?
Shannon Sharpe
A little bit.
Chad Johnson
About 30. About 30.
Shannon Sharpe
He just. He just, he just got. See, he just got it. He just got to make his mind up. We can't want something more for himself than we. Than he wants it. Ocho Jane Daniels have been shut down for the remainder of this year according to head coach dq, which leads to the question Zach Taylor today if the Bengals should sit chronically injured Joe Burrow for the rest of the season. Well, Jack, Zach Taylor said there's zero consideration to sit Joe Burrow down for the final three games. The media asked why. Taylor said, because we want to win.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. I mean, listen, honestly, in a call like that, it wouldn't even come from Zach Taylor. It wouldn't even come from up, up above. Joe Burrow ain't sitting down.
Shannon Sharpe
He's not wired like that.
Chad Johnson
He's not wired like that. And he's already made his message clear with what he said last week in the media about if it's not fun, you know, he wants to continue to have fun doing this. That's nothing but. That's nothing but a message to management on, we need to make the. We need to make the necessary movements in the off season and make this team competent so we're able to compete against everyone else. We are not going to be here and y' all finish sitting and wasting my career.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Chad Johnson
The message is Loud and clear. Now, he didn't say it directly, but if you understand and able to read between the goddamn lines, you know what he's trying to say.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Johnson
You don't have to come out and say it directly.
Shannon Sharpe
Wears on you, man. It does. It does. Anybody say, oh, man, I just make. No, you can't. Not. Not if you're wired properly.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
Losing bothers you. If you understood what it takes for a guy like Joe Burrow to be Joe Burrow, the study preparation that he has to endure, the, The. The. To. The denying of a personal relationship. Now, if you. And even if you get involved in a relationship, Ocho, she is gonna have to understand.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Like, when it comes to recitals and stuff, the majority of time. Mama, you got you. Hey, you on a solo journey.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, absolutely. And you know what else is frustrating, too? You gotta think about. Think about Jamar Chase.
Rob Gronkowski
Right?
Chad Johnson
You think about Joe Burrow. You look at them playing football all their life.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Their background and where they come from. They've won at everything they've done. They've run, they've won. Everywhere they've been success. So now you come. You come here and. And you want to continue that same tradition of always winning everywhere you win. So obviously, to be able to do that, it had. It come. It's more than just me now. The winning, the culture. Now, that starts all the way at the top.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Johnson
That starts all the way at the top, and it trickles its way goddamn down. And when they see things aren't going in a direction in which they're used to. This is what you get with that message you saw last week. All right, now, come on, now, tighten it up. Carson Palmer, frustrated. Got the point. You know what? I can't do this. Smoke. I'd rather. I'd rather. I'd rather retire than continue going in this direction. And now it's the same message again. Not as loud as Carson's was, but like, come on now, let's. Let's get it together.
Shannon Sharpe
I. I just, you know, and, and the more you put into something, the more it hurts.
Chad Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
It's just like anything you. And we use relationship. Just imagine you put 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 20 years into a relationship, a marriage.
Chad Johnson
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
And it unravels. It hurts.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Because you spent 10, 15, 20 years. And when it doesn't go the distance. Yeah. It hurts when you put the amount of time that these top quarterbacks put into or the quarterbacks put into it. All that meeting prep at the facility, all the, all the, The The. The tape that you watch at home.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Going back over and over and over. And you on the phone with the coach. Coach, I saw this. This eight games ago. They ran this coverage against this formation. You think we might see it again? Make a note of it. We'll discuss it tomorrow. When you put that kind of time in Ocho, and after you denied.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
So many people. I can't go trick or treating. I can't go to pta.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
Can't do this. I can't do that.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Hey, listen, you dedicate your life. That's part of the sacrifice. You dedicate your life to football. You dedicate your life to that franchise. And when you put the time and the work and the hours, like, would you say prepare? I don't think people understand, especially for the quarterback.
Shannon Sharpe
It's a whole different level, their preparation.
Chad Johnson
Oh, man. Listen, man, it's. It's different.
Shannon Sharpe
It's different because I know what I know. I know what I put into it.
Chad Johnson
Oh, yeah, I could. I could imagine.
Shannon Sharpe
And I ain't know nearly what the hell. I just needed to know what I needed to know.
Chad Johnson
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
And what the other guys need to know so I could tell them dumb dumbs when they came in the hall of Time what I got.
Chad Johnson
Right, right.
Shannon Sharpe
Run a comeback. But, you know, John gotta set the protection. He gotta know. You know what I'm saying? He has to know. Okay. This coverage, this gonna be this coverage, right? Oh, damn. Nope, nope. Look, I see. Man, stop bouncing around. You ain't doing that. You finna drop to the damn flat, you ain't coming. All that bouncing, faking.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
All you're doing is making yourself tired. And so that's. So I, I understand. I understand Joe. And, and. And he wants to win. Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And. But you know why? Because he got a taste of winning.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
He got a taste of going to the Super Bowl. It. It, it. It's just. It's just like an animal. It bites you and it gets that taste of blood. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to. To untrain that.
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You gotta have to get rid of it.
Chad Johnson
Absolutely, absolutely. Hold on, hold on. Let me use the bathroom real quick.
Shannon Sharpe
While Ocho is away. We'll read this. Speaking with the Athletics, Mike Sando, a rival NFL executive, said they don't pitch a burrow. Abruptly retiring burrow. Doesn't strike me as luck where he's going to disappear and go bird watching or serve on the board if he does not play football. They said that said Burrow comments definitely caught my attention, and this is an organization I trust the least to figure it out. The executive also speculated on how this could turn sour quickly if it, if it becomes a standoff between Burrow and the Bengals. Mike Brown. Brown is not letting Joe Burrow walk out the door. They said that's. That is what makes Burrow's comments so interesting. How ugly does this get? Because this is the one franchise that doesn't care about, all about looking ugly. Especially after getting their new stadium deal. Are they, Are they building a new stadium or they are. Are they like adding on or are they refurbishing? Because Ocho, y' all not getting no super bowl. So I don't give a damn what y' all do.
Chad Johnson
What.
Shannon Sharpe
We. What are y'.
Chad Johnson
All.
Shannon Sharpe
Are y' all getting a new stadium or y' all refurbishing that stadium?
Chad Johnson
Oh, I'm not sure. I heard, I heard about that. I'm not sure. I think, if anything, I think we'll. We'll add on. We'll add on to Paycor Stadium.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. They spend 120. No, they spend 120 million of taxpayers dollars. Mike Brown ain't coming out of his pocket.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Hey. Hey, you know what? Hey, I have a question.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Chad Johnson
How much would it cost me to. To have my name like Chad Johnson Stadium? We changed the pay core. How do I be. How do I put my name?
Shannon Sharpe
It's gonna cost you at least 10 million a year and they're gonna want. And they're gonna want you to do at least a 10 year deal.
Chad Johnson
Hold on, wait a minute. Hold on.
Shannon Sharpe
Huh?
Chad Johnson
You mean to tell me it could actually be Chad Johnson Stadium?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Johnson
Stadium.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Chad Johnson
Hey, hey, that'd. Hey, that'll be live. What? Okay.
Shannon Sharpe
A 450 million dollar upgrade. 350 from taxpayers. 120 from Mike Brown and family.
Chad Johnson
Hey, and I think when they do those upgrades, Unc, I need to change the name. I. I think, you know, God, I'm a manifest this to bless me with some type of huge bulk of, of, of revenue from, from endeavors that I have going on. And I'm gonna change the name. It's gonna be Chad Johnson Stadium.
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, you'd have to look, I mean, ATT probably plays Jerry. What? 20 million for that?
Chad Johnson
Oh, they pay J. Oh, they pay. They pay Jerry.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, he owned the team. Oh, you think that money go. But I'm saying he used that money obviously to do other things, you know, Right. Player salary, Ford Field. The Fords own it. Right. So they gotta pay Nothing. But it just all depends on. On where. But if you notice, for the longest time, Mile High was Mile High, but now it's called something at Mile High. Right. The arrowhead is called something at Arrowhead. You see what they. It's just too much money to pass, right?
Chad Johnson
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Crip.com is playing the Lakers 700 million over 20 years. So how much is that? That's about 35 million a year. 625. So that's 30 a year so far. Played 625 over 20 years. That's 30 a year. You sure you want to put your name on something? I think you could do better use of that money. Hold on.
Chad Johnson
But you. You just said.
Rob Gronkowski
Hey, that.
Chad Johnson
That's why I said a huge chunk. Let's say I win a lotto or something. I think the lotto was 1.1 billion. What if. What if I won? I didn't play. I'm just saying what if I had won that, like, that's.
Rob Gronkowski
That.
Shannon Sharpe
That's an investment if you don't play.
Chad Johnson
Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. That's an investment. That's a. Hey, that's a good investment though, huh? No. Oh, that's bad.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, hell no. Just. So hold on, Ocho, what are you selling those people that they sell things at T, that's a telecom Ford, they sell cards. Some people have. Remember Cleveland was progressive, that they sell insurance. What are you selling?
Chad Johnson
Ain't nothing.
Shannon Sharpe
You got a cigar. You got. You. You got a clothing line. I mean, what are you selling that you want people to go out there and see it?
Chad Johnson
My bangles. Nah.
Shannon Sharpe
Daniel Bricket, you come out, better put your name on the stadium and that fam you.
Chad Johnson
Hey, I like that.
Shannon Sharpe
Spotify just bought FC Barcelona Stadium. 310 million over four years. But Spotify, we know what Spotify, that's.
Chad Johnson
Hey, that's a huge entity. Huh?
Shannon Sharpe
Right? So unless. Unless you advertise it to sell something. Right. It ain't worth it.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. You know that if I. I get to that point and have that kind of. That. That kind of.
Shannon Sharpe
You get that kind of money, you're gonna find. You're gonna find. You know what you're gonna do, Ocho? You're gonna find ways to invest it and make more money.
Chad Johnson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Chad Johnson
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Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson)
Date: December 16, 2025
Episode Type: NFL Nightcap Discussion
This episode of Club Shay Shay features Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson as they break down recent NFL games and hot topics. The conversation centers around the end of the Miami Dolphins' playoff hopes, Patrick Mahomes’ devastating knee injuries, the Indianapolis Colts’ quarterback situation, and debate over whether Joe Burrow should be playing out the string in Cincinnati. The tone is candid, humorous, and insightful, with both hosts openly critiquing players, coaches, and teams, drawing on their own playing experiences for deeper context.
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This Nightcap is a must-listen (or read!) for NFL fans who crave honest, player-driven analysis and unfiltered storytelling from two football legends who aren’t afraid to call things exactly as they see them.