Shannon Sharpe (7:55)

Smoke America.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (7:55)

I knew it was some bull jive, but it was just something to smoke screen. Hey, we talked to Coach Prime. That's our Minard. Hey, that's our one token. Boom. We get on. We good with that. And the cowboys, notably, they didn't interview any of the top candidates, the Ben Johnson, Cliff Kingsbury couldn't talk because he was in the. He was going week to week. So you only had. You could only talk if you were in the bye week. So Maggie Spagnola, Eric G. Aaron Glenn. None of the top candidates were interviewed by Jerry.

Shannon Sharpe (8:29)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (8:29)

Brian Schonheimer. Again, my only problem, Ocho, I don't have a problem. Chat. I don't want anybody to think that I have a problem with the hire, but don't give me this bull job. You want somebody that called plays. Mike McCarthy called plays. You see? Yeah, we want somebody with previous head coaching experience. We want somebody that called plays. Brian Schottenheimer has never been a head coach. He didn't call plays. That's neither here nor there. Ocho, what do you think about the hire?

Shannon Sharpe (8:59)

I mean, obviously Jerry wants to continue. Continue his reign with power. He doesn't want to relinquish that power. He wants to be in control of everything. And he hired a coach that will fall in line with just that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (9:15)

And bring. You know what else, Ocho? Not to cut you off. Bring Jason Whitten on.

Shannon Sharpe (9:20)

Oh, yeah, yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. So again, Jerry getting in the way again, doing things his way. And the definition of insanity. Chat, you stay. Stay with me. Now, the definition of insanity is doing things over and over and over in a way you see fit and expecting different results. The results have been the same for years. For years. And you continuously do it. Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy. Now, Mr. Schottenheimer, nothing is going to change until you remove yourself and get out the way and allow people to do their job.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (9:59)

Not just.

Shannon Sharpe (10:00)

Not you trying to do multiple things at once.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:03)

Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett. Yeah. Mike McCarthy, not Brian Schottenheimer. All of them. Nothing changed. It's just different names. But nothing's changed.

Shannon Sharpe (10:19)

Any of. Any of the people that you just called, Will any of them challenge Jerry? They don't matter. My point exactly.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:28)

And you let him feel your stat and you let him like, well, I want this guy to be on your defensive staff. I want this guy to be on your offensive staff. No coach is going to do that. No, no, no, they're not going to do that. It's one thing, Ocho.

Shannon Sharpe (10:41)

Yes, sir.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (10:41)

I go to a company and I'm looking around. I'm going to give them an opportunity. That don't mean I'm going to keep them. But if I like what I hear, I'll keep them. But I'm not going to let you tell me. Well, you got to keep this VP or you got to keep this CFO or you got to keep this co. No, hell no. That ain't happening. Yeah, but another thing, Ocho, not one other team attempted to interview Brian Schottenheimer. Now, all I want to know is this. Look, I will get me somebody. Somebody else won't. Because if nobody else wanted that something you tried to tell me, something I don't know.

Shannon Sharpe (11:22)

Well, you got to think about. Think about it. Now. Look at the elephant in the room now. The coaches that were available, we talk about good coaches and also the coaches that were also available, that could have come to Dallas, that could have interviewed in Dallas, wouldn't go for the shenanigans.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (11:36)

No.

Shannon Sharpe (11:36)

You think Ben Johnson finna stand down? You finna tell Ben Johnson who we can bring on and who he can. Aaron Glenn. I mean, obviously he wouldn't. He wouldn't get the job, but anyway. You think Aaron Glenn is going to come to Dallas?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (11:46)

No.

Shannon Sharpe (11:47)

You gonna tell Aaron Glenn what type of staff he can put together, but.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (11:51)

People believe he can work with Coach Belichick. Can you imagine him telling Coach Belichick, hey, I want Jason Whitten to come on and he going to be your coach and waiting, man.

Shannon Sharpe (12:01)

Man, Belichick, tear that. Goddamn. Tear Jerry's World down. Absolutely not. You have to get out of your own way. You have to. You don't have a choice.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (12:16)

He's been an offensive coordinator before. He's with the jets for three years. His highest point. His highest points per game, they were 13th. He called for St. Louis. The highest points per game was 21st. He also called in Seattle. His highest points per game was six in 2018. He had two, three top 10 offenses as far as points. He averaged 28.7, 25.3, 26.8. And then that ended. And this was his first four way back as being a coordinator. Correct. Okay, so he's been a coordinator. He's been a coordinator for 11 years. Had some success. Orchestrated three top 10 offenses in Seattle, none in the top 20 in St. Louis, and none in the top 10 at the Jets. But he wasn't the coordinator, though. Wasn't. He was. Okay, okay, okay. So he was with. So he was there with Rex. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So we know those offenses back then. Ocho was running the football play behind your defense. It was more ground and pound. But his most success, it came in Seattle. He did have great success in Seattle with Russ. 16 points per game, 9th in points per game, 8th in points per game. That's pretty good resume. But we know why he got the job is because Jerry wants someone that he can control. It's really that simple. There's no other. I'm not going to make it a black white issue because I don't believe it's a black white issue. It's a control issue. Jerry wants control. Jerry wants control because Jerry wants credit. None of the blame, but the control because this thing fell apart. I can't believe this happened. I'm shocked as anybody. No, you're not shocked as anybody. You put this ish together. You should be the least shocked that it fell apart. Right. But like you said, I mean, you do what you've done, you get what you've always gotten. It's hard for me to believe I can be in a scenario at some point in time. I'm going to change something, Right. If I get the same results for 30 years and my objective. But Jerry's a promoter. Jerry's not trying to win. Jerry's not fooling me. He might fool some of the fans in Dallas and I think for the most part they've even caught on. Jerry's all about selling. Jerry looks at it like anytime they're talking about me, that's good enough. We don't need to talk. They don't need to talk about me winning championship. They don't need to talk about me being that they're talking about me. So I'm in the news. That's good enough for him.

Shannon Sharpe (15:06)

Right.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (15:07)

And I don't see it changing. They bring back the same casket. If you look at guys leave Dallas and play. Well, look at now Neville Gallimore, he went to the Rams.

Shannon Sharpe (15:17)

Yeah. Ball out, cutting up.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (15:22)

I'm just saying they make a trade for a guy, Carolina, they give him a fourth round draft pick and the guy had how many catches? He might have had four catches the rest of the year.

Shannon Sharpe (15:32)

You my Mingo.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (15:34)

Yes.

Shannon Sharpe (15:35)

Yeah, obviously, man. Listen, I don't, I don't know what Jerry was. Jerry's doing. I, I can't question. I've been around football for a very long time. Obviously not as long as you have and not as long as he has. He's an owner, he's a gm. Hell, he's every goddamn thing.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (15:49)

He is.

Shannon Sharpe (15:50)

He just think his way always works. And the fact that he wants credit is, is just beyond me. You know, when you can look at the landscape of the NFL with all the owners that consistently win, all the other franchises where they win consistently, you know, the packers, the Bills, the Chiefs, the Steelers, I mean, teams that have a rich history in winning.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:12)

You know, everybody's going to the championship.

Shannon Sharpe (16:15)

Since he's been, you don't see any of the owners front and center making decisions, you know, pigeon holding head coaches, not allowing them to pick their staff, people that they work well with. I mean, all that. All that matters. All that matters. And the fact that control and credit is what he wants is ridiculous.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:43)

Ocho, Jerry has probably. Let's just say for the sake of. But let's just be Safe. He owned 10 other businesses. How many of those businesses you think he hands on?

Shannon Sharpe (16:56)

Probably none.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (16:57)

None. Because he doesn't know. But yet he thinks he knows football.

Shannon Sharpe (17:03)

But he's been around football the longest, so he feels right he knows it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:08)

Yeah, I've been around a plow. It doesn't make me a tractor. What the hell you talking about? Just causing you around something. Hey, as a matter of fact, Ocho, I'm sleeping in my garage tonight. That don't make me car.

Shannon Sharpe (17:23)

Yeah, that's a good one. I got.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:25)

Just trying to figure out what makes. What makes him think he knows. Just because you're around something.

Shannon Sharpe (17:30)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:31)

Hell, oh. If somebody gonna give me all the. If somebody gonna give me the scouting report, I can read off what they wrote down, right? You think Jerry going to the Senior bowl and out there looking at Scout, got his notepad like, okay. Guy got great pad level, drops his hip, great transition, change of direction. Oh, he bends the edge really well. I like the way he button press. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (17:54)

He don't know. Hell, no. Not detailing sharp like that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (17:58)

Hell, no. But there are guys that do.

Shannon Sharpe (18:01)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (18:02)

What's the. What's the guy name that runs the Cowboys? Will. Will McClay. Will Clay. He knows.

Shannon Sharpe (18:12)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (18:13)

He writes the notes, gives them to Jared, and then Jared, and they have a little selection. Okay. Okay. And who do we think is going to be available when we select? At the time we select, they give him a list of names. Everybody have their thing. Well, Jerry, this is what we need, okay? Jerry, this is what we need, bro. Michael Parsons fell in your lap. You ain't do nothing. CD Fell in your lap, right? Come on, bro, that ain't nothing. They fell to you, right? They had an agreement. Devontae Smith. The Eagles wanted devonta Smith. That's like, hey, we'll trade up. Just don't bother him. We'll let y'all trade. Okay, fine. Just don't select Parsons or y'all not gonna select Parson. You gonna take devontae, right? Okay. Boom. CD Fell in the Lap.

Shannon Sharpe (18:59)

Mm.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:00)

All the other receivers were gone. So who are they gonna pick? They needed a receiver. Jenna was gone, Judy was gone. Russ was gone. Waddle was gone. Wow. He really went out on limb and got cd. I need a receiver. He the last one left. Oh, no. My bad. No. Yeah. Cause the Jalen record went before cd.

Shannon Sharpe (19:23)

Yeah. Reagan went to Philly.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (19:27)

Right? Philly. Yes. So, Ocho, that ain't nothing if a guy just fall in your lap. No. You want to impress me? Do what Kansas City did. Zoom up the draft board and go get somebody. That's what's impressive. That lets me know, okay. They know what they're doing. He didn't do that. So I just don't get it. Mingo has 17 catches for 167 yards all year. He had five catches for 64 yards when he arrived in Dallas. And he played eight games, played nine for Carolina. And they traded a fourth round pick for him. Right? Fourth or fifth training a fourth round pick for that kind of production.

Shannon Sharpe (20:16)

He doesn't know what he's doing. He may does, but there's no way he does. It's not, you know, it's almost. It's. It's. It's. Hold on.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:27)

Let's see. When did I. Hold on. Ocho, did Justin Jefferson go before or after CD? He went 22nd. Oh, so you saw you with CD and Justin Jefferson went 22nd. Check the numbers out.

Shannon Sharpe (20:42)

Right?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:42)

Look at the numbers between the two. But he know football. Yeah. Not that Ceedee is a bad. Cause Ceedee is a number one receiver.

Shannon Sharpe (20:54)

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (20:56)

But I don't know very many people that's taking CD over Jetta. I mean, listen, maybe cowboy fans, but I'm talking about if you poll GMs, you poll all 32 GMs and says, okay, you got Jetta or you got CD. Cause right now, people gonna take Chase and Jetta. They won two. Both of those guys were unanimous. First team All Pros. There wasn't a whole lot of unanimous first team All Pros. But those two guys were. Was two of them an All Pro every year? Except what? Last year he got nicked. He went over a thousand all choice. Missed like seven games. Can you imagine what his numbers would have been? Ain't nobody close to him his first three years, his first four years, his first five years. Nobody's close to those numbers. Now with the season that Chase had, Chase might have an opportunity to get him, but he's gonna probably need another 14, 1500, which is possible, which is quarterback in that System. But Jerry don't know what he's doing, man. And like I said, I don't got no problem with Brian Schottenheimer. I'm just saying this notion that he's scouring and he's trying to get the best man for the job. I don't believe he's doing that. I don't believe he's ever done that. Not since he's not going to get a chat cowboy fan. Jerry is not going to give get anybody that's going to offer him some resistance. Brian, let me tell you what. Brian Schottenheimer doesn't have any say on the final 53, any say in free agency, any say in the draft.

Shannon Sharpe (22:25)

And all those are things that the head coach should have some type of say or control over.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (22:32)

Just basically almost like I guess what if they still have arranged marriages? Hold on. I the one that gotta be with this lady. I need to know. You trying to tell me what I want? I know what I want. Jerry is this is an arranged marriage. Jerry is telling you he's picking players. Telling you what you need as opposed to what you want or what would best or what would fit best to the system right now is them coming back. I mean I had the as far as I know. See that's another thing. What if Brian Schottenheimer want to hire his own dc?

Shannon Sharpe (23:13)

Now that's, that's, that's crazy. I mean listen, it's crazy the way things are run. Obviously Jerry has the power. We understand that. He's going to exercise that right? And that power at every turn and every chance he gets. Every chance and every turn he gets, he's killing his, he's killing his own franchise, he's killing his own team.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (23:34)

And he doesn't, he just doesn't get it. And I like look here, it's hard to say. CD ain't top five.

Shannon Sharpe (23:43)

Oh, he's, oh, he's top five.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (23:45)

Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I mean 1, 2, 1, 2. I think you and I are in agreement. 1, 2, Jetta, Chase. Chase, Jetta. It goes year to year last year with Jetta. I mean two years. Last two years. But the first couple years it was Jetta Chase. It's been gangbusters. Triple Crown. What Triple Crown? I mean this was Chase third year. So it's not very many guys that get an opportunity to win the Triple Crown so soon. Right. Smitty won it in 2005. So that was close to it because Smitty came in in 0112345 so his fifth year, my brother won the triple crown. He came in at 88. So his fifth year, Jerry came in in 85. He won the Triple Crown in 90. In his sixth year, Cooper Cup. What year was Cooper cup when he won the Triple crown? Could have been no more than three.

Shannon Sharpe (24:32)

20, 20. 20, 2021.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (24:35)

It was 2021, I think.

Shannon Sharpe (24:37)

Yeah, 2021. If I'm not mistaken, when was.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (24:49)

2017. So, okay, so five years. So that, that, I mean, so about the average, you know, about six years. Somewhere between four and six years is when guys normally win the Triple Crown, right? And CD. That's CD. Excuse me, not CD. Chase wanted the quickest third year.

Shannon Sharpe (25:07)

Fourth.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:07)

His fourth year, right. What was the third year for him?

Shannon Sharpe (25:10)

Third. This is his third year.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:12)

Not 1, 2, 3, 4. His fourth year. This is fourth season because he's drafted in 21. Remember.

Shannon Sharpe (25:23)

Chase, he had two years left on his deal. So it would have been his third year. Fifth. No, he wanted in his third year.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:30)

No, he would have done the contract after his third year. He played this year.

Shannon Sharpe (25:35)

Okay, I see, I see, I see.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:37)

Yeah. Cause you gotta count a lot of times when you get confused, Ocho, is that people don't count the year he drafted. He played that year.

Shannon Sharpe (25:43)

Yeah, I'm tripping.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:44)

21. He played in 21, right?

Shannon Sharpe (25:46)

You're right, I'm tripping. I'm tripping.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (25:47)

So that's why, you know, you see 1990 to 99, that's 10 years. A lot of times people will say from 90 to 2000. No, that's 11 years. So he. So that's about the time frame. Somewhere between four and six years, guys. So Chase is just now entering in his prime. So you're going to see big time production as long as. And we saw even when what you call him got hurt last year, two years ago, excuse me.

Shannon Sharpe (26:14)

Burrow.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (26:15)

He still put up those numbers?

Shannon Sharpe (26:16)

Yeah, most definitely.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (26:18)

He him. And that's what. That's what I'm seeing. That's what I'm seeing. When you got a guy, Ocho. And I don't have to alter anything. He's him. I ain't got a stacking. I ain't got a bunching. I ain't got to put him in motion. I can just call a play and say, son, go get open. I can put him in the slot. I can put him out wide. Yes, I can put him in motion. Yes, I can stack him. He can run shallow, he can run deep. He can. He got intermediate. He's great after the catch. He can high point the ball.

Shannon Sharpe (26:45)

Everything.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (26:46)

What am I going to complain about everything?

Shannon Sharpe (26:49)

You know what, what's funny is maybe it's it's a handful of it's a handful of receivers that could do that now.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (26:56)

Only a handful of.

Shannon Sharpe (26:58)

Only a hand.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (26:59)

Literally.

Shannon Sharpe (27:01)

You know, and people in the chat might not understand what you mean. Hey listen, take a five yard route.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (27:07)

And turn it to an 80 yard.

Shannon Sharpe (27:08)

Spectacular, man, every, every time you mess around and take a bad mess around and take a bad angle, mess around and miss a tackle, there's some receivers that make coaching coaching job easy.

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (31:28)

Check this out. Okay. There was another hire over the weekend. Pete Carroll was hired as head coach of the Raiders. Pete Carroll and the Raiders have reached agreement on a three year deal with a team option for a fourth when the regular season start. Carroll will become the oldest person to ever serve as head coach in the NFL. He turned 74 in September. The previous record was held by Romeo Cornell, who was 73 when he served as interim head coach of the Houston Texans. Ocho, do you like this move?

Shannon Sharpe (31:58)

I mean, it's Pete. It's Pete Carroll. I like Pete Carroll. Pete's resume, it speaks for itself, what he's done. He's a Super bowl winning head coach again. When I look at what he has to work with over in Las Vegas, I'm not sure why he would want to. Maybe he knows something we don't know. Maybe he knows something. He asked something.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (32:20)

He want a 32. What you talking about? What he want? And with 32 of those jobs.

Shannon Sharpe (32:24)

Oh, yeah, I know, but still, I mean, just going to take a job knowing that your lease is going to be short, knowing that you don't have the most important position on your team, on that team that matters, be able to compete and contend in that. Do you know what conference, division he's in?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (32:41)

Yes. AFC West.

Shannon Sharpe (32:43)

AFC West.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (32:44)

Kansas City Chargers. All of them got quarterbacks. Everybody got quarterbacks for the next decade except who? The Raiders.

Shannon Sharpe (32:52)

Exactly.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (32:53)

But here's the thing.

Shannon Sharpe (32:54)

I'm not sure. He got to be thinking about something. He must be cooking up something with Mark Davis. I don't know.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:00)

Let me ask you this and chat. Y'all could help me, you understand? You 70 years old. This 32 year old thing, she nice, got long hair, she got, ooh, skin stacked like dirty laundry in a dorm room.

Shannon Sharpe (33:15)

Come on now.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:16)

Hair down her back, and when she steps, she'll step her. Y'all know what I'm talking about. She'll step her. Y'all gonna see if she gonna have on ysl, she'll have on Tom Ford, she'll have on them blood bottoms. Everything is. Everything is immaculate. And she's interested in you. You taking that Pete Carroll said about to be 74. How many jobs you think he gonna get in the NFL at the age of 74?

Shannon Sharpe (33:39)

I like where you're going with it. I like it. Listen, when you put it like that, when you give me that kind of analogy. I like when you're going with it. But everything you just said, you know, you talking about Tom Ford.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:50)

Yes.

Shannon Sharpe (33:51)

You know, the nice shoes, and she's a stepper.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (33:54)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (33:55)

Everything you just described in that woman ain't the goddamn Las Vegas Raiders. It don't you know. Now, the Los. The Las Vegas Raiders is the one where your homeboy say, hey, boy, I ain't sharp. I need someone to take one for the team tonight.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:10)

Oh, no. For never. For that.

Shannon Sharpe (34:12)

The one I got, you know, she's a 10. Now, her friend, she Said she. He had to bring her friend with her. Now, her friend is only six. The Las Vegas Raiders. What you just explained is like. Like getting. Getting ready to be the head coach for the Chiefs or something.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:32)

But. But you have to understand, though, Ocho, she's shown interest in you.

Shannon Sharpe (34:36)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:36)

She ain't got to have on nothing. She might come out the house with Crocs, she might come out the house with that bonnet on. But she 32.

Shannon Sharpe (34:45)

Yeah. Curry. Yeah, hold on, hold on. Let me. Let me. Let me give them visuals together now. How tall talking? How tall are we talking?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (34:54)

She's somewhere between. She's somewhere between 57 and 5 9.

Shannon Sharpe (35:03)

I'm gonna do you one better. I'm gonna do you one better because we both. We. We both tall. Let's just make it. Just make a 5. 5, 5, 9, 5 10. So when she put some. When she put some heels on, we call her Amazon 32.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (35:17)

Got a nice job. She makes six figures. Low six figures. Ooh. When you see her out, she ain't got nothing on her. She carries. She carrying Louie all the time. She got her own. Got her own crib, got her own car.

Shannon Sharpe (35:31)

And you gotta be careful now. Cause everything he described right now as a woman, she talk back.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (35:37)

That's okay. I listen too. She talk. I listen. I don't know what you talking about, Ocho. Hey, I'm about to be 57, man. I ain't finna do all that. I'm past that stage o Cho where I got to wear the pants and I guess gotta be my way. Oh, no.

Shannon Sharpe (35:55)

You talk back like.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (35:56)

Yeah, you know what? You right. I didn't want to go over there.

Shannon Sharpe (36:00)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (36:01)

Why didn't you tell me this yesterday?

Shannon Sharpe (36:03)

I like it. I like it. I like it. Listen, I understand where you at. Listen, you're in a different phase in your life, and you have to understand, you don't have like.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (36:11)

He. Ben Johnson, see? Yeah. Tom Brady wanted Ben Johnson.

Shannon Sharpe (36:15)

Right.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (36:15)

Ben Johnson. I ain't got no quarterback. Now, ideally, would I like to be in the same division? No. But I got a quarterback over here. I got skill position players over here.

Shannon Sharpe (36:24)

Oh, yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (36:25)

I got a lot of cap space, and I can build. Guess what? I got a quarterback on a rookie contract. So I can put some pieces around him.

Shannon Sharpe (36:32)

Yeah, you got a little time. You got about two more years.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (36:38)

Got two more years, more years. So with that being said, Ocho, but Pete being 70, about to be 74. Think about it. In the history of the game, there's only one other coach, Romeo was 73 and he was interim. Wasn't head. He wasn't. You know, that wasn't. Somebody hired him and gave him the job. He just took over. So for me, for Pete, it's a no brainer. Now Pete can build a team. We saw what he did with Seattle, but Russ came to him in the third round. I think Russ was a third round draft pick. And we saw what happened. They had a great defense. They built that thing. They had B wags, they had Sherm, they had Chancellor, they had Earl, they had Malcolm Smith, they had Bennett, they had Cliff Averill, they had Red. They had a squad, big time Russ come in. Remember now they assigned Matt Flynn and free agency from Green Bay. He was expected. They gave him $10 million guaranteed out a $30 million contract, $10 million signing bonus, and he never touched the field. Russ beat him out in camp.

Shannon Sharpe (37:40)

Crazy how that worked.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (37:42)

Hey, and maybe they. Maybe they can. Maybe he can strike lightning. He under. But see, the thing is, O. He understands. He's been a head coach at a lot of different stops. He's head coach at the jets, he's head coach at the Patriots, head coach of Seattle, head coach here, head coach at usc. And you look at what he did. USC was. USC was not winning before Pete got there. He put USC back on the map. Now, you not old enough to remember when USC had that juggernaut late 60s and through the 70s. They were hell, they were loaded.

Shannon Sharpe (38:13)

It was a real deal.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (38:14)

Yes, yes, yes, yes. I mean, you got to think about it. They had Charles White and Marcus Allen, Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Joy Briner, Ross, all the. All those guys. So they were. They were really. Lynn Kane, all those guys within that backfield, they were really. They were really good. Munoz. Yeah, I think Don Mosball was on that team. They were. They were. They were loaded. But Pete knows how to build a team. But at the end of the day, if you look at the teams, when he's had his best, most success, right?

Shannon Sharpe (38:51)

At a quarterback, always. It matters.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (38:54)

And without him. So Russ and. Hey, Russ. Pete reunite in Oakland. I mean, in Vegas.

Shannon Sharpe (39:07)

Him and Russ, Russell Wilson. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good. That's a good one. I like. I like. I like what you're thinking. That's a possibility. I'm not. I'm. I'm not sure. I'm. I am not sure. Damn, that's a good one. A quarterback that you're familiar with, a quarterback that you won a Super bowl with, you know, but there were some There were some issues internally.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (39:32)

Yep. Pete was like, I see. Diminishing skills, right? Nah, bro, I ain't really trying to give you 200 plus. Russ say, Bro. I. Hey. And you know.

Shannon Sharpe (39:52)

Hey.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (39:53)

Spin the block.

Shannon Sharpe (39:54)

Yeah. Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (39:55)

You know, sometimes if I be so bad on you, you ain't got no choice but to spend the block. Yeah, I don't. That ain't what. That ain't what I set out to do. Right. Sometimes.

Shannon Sharpe (40:04)

But sometimes that's what you have to do.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:10)

You know that the age. Half your age plus seven. Right. Minus three. So that's why I come forward. That's. That, you know, that's my box.

Shannon Sharpe (40:21)

It is.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:21)

I stay right here. I ain't going outside of it, you know, side to side. Side to side. Right here. But I ain't going outside that box.

Shannon Sharpe (40:28)

Oh, yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:30)

Okay. Maybe.

Shannon Sharpe (40:36)

Depending on who it is, maybe.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (40:42)

You know what I'm talking about? No joke. You know, I'm saying AIDS sometimes, you know, hey, like I. Your boy ain't 27, ain't 37 no more, Ocho.

Shannon Sharpe (40:53)

It's different. Is different. Listen, you know what's good. You know what's good about us is really understanding and realizing we're not the same as we were. We understand what we're capable of doing at our age now, yes, we did it not in our teens and 20s and 30s. Man, we ain't pulling that. We're not pulling that off.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (41:16)

No, no, no. I ain't finna grab no 25 year old like I could when I was 32, 33. I already know that. Right now, Ocho, I'mma. When I can, not when I want to. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? I'm a. When I can, not when I want to. Understand that chat. Understand. Stay with me now. Stay with me. There's a difference between the two.

Shannon Sharpe (41:36)

Hey, you know what you. You know what you got. You got self awareness.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (41:40)

Of course.

Shannon Sharpe (41:41)

Self awareness is so important, but it's lacking in so many. So many of our men today. It's lacking in so many of our. Still trying to think you can keep up and do some of the things you did when you.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (41:53)

No, I'm. Hey, hey, I'm. Who I am. About to be eight, six months. 57 now. I don't look it. I still. I'm in shape, you know, I eat my veggies and do my abs. But hey, at the end of the day, they hit that Google. Damn.

Shannon Sharpe (42:10)

Damn. 58.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:11)

57. Yeah. 57. Yeah. Hey, so, hey, Ocho, you know, sometimes you have to hey, catch a straggler coming out of supermarket. You know what I'm saying? I'm lean on the wall, Joe. Hey, I'm lean on the wall. Wait on. Come out.

Shannon Sharpe (42:26)

You know it's a ninth inning.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:28)

Damn.

Shannon Sharpe (42:29)

It's a ninth inning. It's two strikes and three balls. What you gonna do now? Hey, fourth quarter, two a two minute, two minute drive.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:38)

Hey, I w. Hey, you sit in your car for a little while. Watch her go in and out, okay? Hey, Ocho, she look as desperate as I am. You desperate? I'm desper. The hell you talking about?

Shannon Sharpe (42:56)

It's so funny the way you telling it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (42:59)

And.

Shannon Sharpe (42:59)

And I'm visualizing it and actually lived it. Just like that. Just like that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:06)

Yeah. Like my homeboy told this one chick, Ocho. He say I'm ugly. You ugly. Let's go home and screw our ugly self to death. I ain't ugly or mofo. Lie. I'm ugly too, though. Hey, don't look like you could get anybody. I damn sure can't. Right on. Hey, you're going to get there. Get some gay. Get some Honey crisp apples. He gets a peanut butter out that machine. Some water and get it out. Come on. Hey, I see you right here. 15. I'll be right here. 15. I ain't going to.

Shannon Sharpe (43:46)

Women. Oh, man.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:49)

Oh, you funny. You look like I'm laughing at you.

Shannon Sharpe (43:53)

Good memories, boy.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (43:55)

I see the way you dress. You coming out of the house dressed like this here. Ain't nobody said no. You wasn't expecting to see nobody. Cause anytime a woman expect to see somebody, you best believe she gonna be laid.

Shannon Sharpe (44:06)

And she gonna be right now.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:07)

She ain't fitting to run the risk. She gonna have her face together. And she ain't finna come out there looking like who did it and what.

Shannon Sharpe (44:14)

Fuck every time.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:20)

What?

Shannon Sharpe (44:22)

Oh, man.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:23)

Ocho, check this out. Yo, we're about to do a toss to Terrell's show on Netflix. Let's take a chat. Take a look at this.

Shannon Sharpe (44:31)

I got somebody I grew up with.

T-Mobile Representative (44:34)

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:34)

Okay.

Shannon Sharpe (44:35)

She just got here.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:35)

I've been sitting here like the fifth.

Shannon Sharpe (44:37)

Wheel for 30 minutes. You ain't say that to me all night. I got somebody I hook you up with. Good dude. Good dude. I have to find something to do while I'm here. Not something to do or someone to do something. He. He's not here. He's busy. Okay, but it'd be perfect cuz he ain't going to be all in your space. What's his name? Shannon. Shannon Sharp. Oh, okay. Oh.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (44:59)

Come on.

Shannon Sharpe (45:00)

You know who Shannon Shark is? No Shannon Shark. He's in well known, retired NFL, espn. He got a lot of rules.

Bobby Bones (45:10)

Tell me one rule.

Shannon Sharpe (45:11)

Let me see if I'm about this life. One rule. When you use the bathroom, you have to go downstairs.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (45:21)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (45:23)

Oh God. Hey. Hey. I plugged you in like a Dyson jacket.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (45:26)

Plugged in? Why you had to bring that up? You could have brought that up a little later.

Shannon Sharpe (45:30)

Which part?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (45:32)

The part about. Oh, he got a lot of rules. You ain't have to mention no rules.

Shannon Sharpe (45:35)

No, no, uncle, you don't want to lie to him at the beginning. That's the one thing.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (45:39)

That's exactly what I want to do in the beginning.

Shannon Sharpe (45:41)

No, uncle, you want to set the president early so you don't waste your time.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (45:45)

No, hey, hey, you know, hey, I was going to break. Let me break. Let me spring that on him after we, you know, we at the table. So what are some of your biggest pet peeves?

Shannon Sharpe (45:54)

Right?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (45:55)

I don't like someone being late. Okay. Burping or passing gas. That's how you break that in the old Cho. Damn, you don't ruin the mood.

Shannon Sharpe (46:03)

I ain't ruined the mood. I was in the toilet. She's still interested. Did she call you?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:08)

No, no.

Shannon Sharpe (46:10)

Well, I probably gave her the wrong number. You changed it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:12)

Yeah, because what happened was you done gave her the rules. She probably drank milk, eat cheese, eat all the vegetables, just be blowing it up.

Shannon Sharpe (46:22)

Sometimes you gotta sacrifice if you want something. You know that? Huh?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:25)

Oh, no.

Shannon Sharpe (46:26)

Sometimes you have to compromise if it's something that you really want. You can't always. If you have a set of rules. And obviously sometimes it's something in life, you know, it's in the Bible. Sometimes you have to sacrifice and compromise if it's something that you're actually interested in.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:41)

I can't. I can't do that. I can't do that, Ocho.

Shannon Sharpe (46:44)

Okay, you don't like it like that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (46:46)

Hey, hey, there's one. Hey, hey. But that's always been. That's always been my thing. So it's not something new. It's not. I mean, it's for the first time that you know, probably people that. I've said it publicly. But if you've around me, right? All my teammates, bro. No. Hell no. But hey, it is what it is. Hey, I appreciate you looking out for you, boy.

Shannon Sharpe (47:06)

Oh, listen, I'm always do that. I'm always make sure you're good because at that time when we were filming, I didn't like the kind. I didn't like the space you were in. You know, I didn't like not really having someone, obviously. This was before the Michelle debacle and you know that. It was when I was trying to plug and find people that you can date and they can feel that void in that space. And then. And I think I failed to this point because I haven't. I haven't. You know, I don't really get it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (47:40)

If I'd went on that balloon, where they parked the balloon. She done popped the balloon. Wow.

Shannon Sharpe (47:45)

28, huh? Hold on. I'm glad you just mentioned that. I should do a 20 versus one, huh? What you think you know where they pop?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (47:56)

No.

Shannon Sharpe (47:57)

No. You don't think so, man.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (47:59)

Rel or pop your skull, man. Hey, look at. Don't play with real. Real ain't what to play with like that. Ocho, you could joke about a lot of things. Look, you know Rel better than me, but the way I've been around Rel. Rel don't play like that.

Shannon Sharpe (48:13)

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (48:16)

You don't play like that. See, Raell got Rel like old Rel. More like values, kind of like me. She old school. Yeah. She's from Alabama. She ain't from New. She ain't from New York. She ain't from Cali and stuff like that. Rail got Southern rules. Southern. Southern upbringing and some stuff ain't gonna jive with her.

Shannon Sharpe (48:42)

Real head right now.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (48:44)

About what?

Shannon Sharpe (48:45)

I mean, she got message. I mean, she's seen and viewed as the mean girl. She. She's viewed and seen as the villain. And I told. I told her name. You one person in history, Any one person that made history, you know?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:00)

Right. Everybody can. Everybody else. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody can't beat the hero.

Shannon Sharpe (49:07)

No, you can't. Sometimes. Sometimes. What I always say about embracing being the villain in what you do.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:13)

Yes.

Shannon Sharpe (49:14)

Always. You know, I can name. I'm gonna give you. I'm give you some examples. I'm gonna give you. I'm give you one example.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:20)

What's that?

Shannon Sharpe (49:23)

Housewives of Atlanta. Even if you don't watch the show.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:26)

Yeah. Cause I know most of them.

Shannon Sharpe (49:29)

I don't watch the show.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:31)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (49:31)

I could tell you who the villain is. And I can tell you who make the most money from the show. Ms. Nene.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:38)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (49:39)

Huh? Come on. That people are tuning in for. Oh, ain't they tuning in for Kumbaya. Kumbaya moments. Kumbaya moments to get you fired. You won't have no goddamn show.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:51)

Exactly.

Shannon Sharpe (49:53)

Listen, I know What I'm leave it at that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (49:56)

Y'all make sure y'all go check it out. Let me know what y'all think. I want you guys to watch it and come back and let me know if they portraying real in the right light. Make sure you go watch Wags to Riches on Netflix. It's out now. Wags to Riches. But, Ocho, you ain't do your boy no favor.

Shannon Sharpe (50:18)

No, I did you. I did you a great favor.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (50:21)

Chad, do y'all think Ho Cho did me a favor? Bro, you put. You gotta go slow.

Shannon Sharpe (50:26)

The fact that. How you talking about I didn't do you a favor? The fact that I even mentioned you, period, is a favorite.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (50:35)

Ocho, if you're gonna mention me, if you're gonna mention me and say, hey, he got all these rules. He got like 50, 11 rules.

Shannon Sharpe (50:41)

Oh, I didn't say that. I say. I said, the only issue that you might have is that he has rules.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (50:45)

Now.

Shannon Sharpe (50:46)

Everyone has a set of rules. Everyone has boundaries. Everyone has things that are. They're non negotiable. I thought it was important for me to let her know about just one rule, and she was okay with that. So that means your foot is in the door already. Your foot is in it already. See, she's gonna compromise. She don't have to. No, you do me no favor when you say Shannon Sharp. Certain things go out the window. Certain boundaries go out the window. Certain things that you wouldn't tolerate from somebody else, they'll tolerate from you.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (51:17)

Let me tell you how I would do it. I say, hey, and I got this, partner. I said, man. I say, you know, he played in the NFL, had a great career.

Shannon Sharpe (51:24)

Hold on. You got. Hey, wait a minute.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (51:26)

He's about six foot tall. He still work out? Six, three. Hard working.

Shannon Sharpe (51:31)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (51:32)

I said, fun and great sense of humor. Now, if you want to laugh, he's the guy. He's the guy. I mean, he got great personality. He loves to do. He fly off the cuff, whatever you like to do. You want to go bungee jumping, he right there. You want to go. Go karting, he right there. You want to go horseback riding, there's nothing that you could possibly want to do that he'll say no to. He's that kind of outgoing, fun loving guy. He's the guy that whatever your adventures are right. Right there with it.

Shannon Sharpe (52:00)

Come on. Now.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (52:01)

See, that's what I'm gonna do. I say, now, hey, you want something that the thing. I know about it. Yeah, he love hard. Yeah, I say, he loves hard. There Is nothing that he wouldn't do for you. Once he once. Once y'all get to that point where he like, okay, we gonna do this. Yeah, he all in.

Shannon Sharpe (52:21)

All in. If you want the son, I go get that bitch.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (52:26)

That's what I'm saying. So now I'm gonna say, I say, I just got one thought. I said, look, that's my boy. I said, we ain't brothers. I said, but we close. The only difference is we ain't got the same blood. Yes, sir. All I ask is this. All I'm gonna ask you is this. If my boy fall, will you catch it? See what I did for you? That's what I did with you.

Shannon Sharpe (52:53)

Hey, that deserving Emmy right there, bro. Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:01)

You see, that's all you had to do. Oh, y'all.

Shannon Sharpe (53:04)

And you got me hyped. Well, you got me hyped right there, bro. Listen, I couldn't do the presentation like that. I couldn't do it in that manner, obviously, because we know we on camera. They film.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:14)

Yeah, I got you. I got you.

Shannon Sharpe (53:15)

I was supposed to stick to a certain, you know what? Now, when I went off, I went off, you know, the Strip and what we were supposed to be talking about just to plug you in.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (53:25)

I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

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Bobby Bones (54:06)

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Shannon Sharpe (54:49)

There was something sentimental when you like when, when you send it, you was like, do I send the heart now?

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I don't like the color edition.

Shannon Sharpe (54:56)

It's extremely pink.

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They're shotgunning.

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Chad Ochocinco Johnson (57:13)

There's a new article from Seth Wickersham and Dan Van now out of nada. He says Snyder effing hates the Commander's success and is a denial. Sad and devastated. Snyder outlook has evolved. There's still anger. And he remains in denial about what led to his ouster. Said one person close to his inner circle. But there is also something else. Sadness for himself that person said is killing him is devastating for him. Listen.

Shannon Sharpe (57:50)

Most of the time, it's more so the younger folk, right? When you and your ex break up, you know. You know, a lot of people like to say, oh, I'm happy for you. I'm happy that you're doing well. God damn. No, no. You want to wish the worst. I don't want nothing Good to have it with you if it ain't with me. Yeah, some people are like that. And that's how Dan Snyder is feeling right now. What did you expect to happen? You had ample time to do right. You had ample time to do right by Commander's fans. You had ample time to do right by your franchise. Because it starts at the top. It starts with you. You had time to do it. The fact that your franchise turned around in less than a year after you were gone says all you need to know.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (58:35)

See, Dan Snyder another place.

Shannon Sharpe (58:37)

There's another place that I'm not going to mention that's also going to turn around as soon as someone is out the way. We're not talking about them no more. But I'm just telling you, right, what happens when someone is removed. That. That doesn't mean. Well, for a team and a franchise entity in the business of the magnitude of that of the Commanders.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:03)

Because sometimes, Ocho, a person can say, I'd rather you be sad with me than happy somewhere else. The possibility or the thought that you might be happy.

Shannon Sharpe (59:14)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:15)

Is enough to crush me.

Shannon Sharpe (59:16)

Yes, sir.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:17)

So no, stay here and be miserable with me. Because I don't want you to find happiness. I don't want you to find success. Because if you find that, that means there had to be something wrong with me. Because he said. But I don't believe. I don't believe you find success. I believe you create it. You create success, you create happiness. Now, you can be in a situation that's chaotic, that doesn't allow you. You so focused on all the auxiliary stuff that's going on around you that you don't get an opportunity to focus.

Shannon Sharpe (59:47)

Right?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (59:48)

But that's not how I am. Yes, it would crush me, but I'd rather you be Happy elsewhere than another day Miserable here with me.

Shannon Sharpe (59:58)

Man, that's a good one. I like that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (60:01)

I'm just not. I'm just not built like. I don't. Ocho, I don't want somebody to be where they're not wanted. Well, I'm not one, because, Ocho, the saddest place. See, people think that being alone is sad. The saddest place, the loneliest place, is being someplace you're not wanted. Yeah, that's when you're the most lonely.

Shannon Sharpe (60:20)

And you know what? They take advantage of you too, huh? Yes, I've always. I've always. I've always been like that. Now, I've been very good at it. I've been. I've been very good at it. If I'm anywhere. If I'm. If I'm anywhere. I don't give. I don't give a excuse. I almost curse just to let you know how much I mean to add emphasis on what I'm getting ready to say. If I'm ever anywhere. And you don't want me. You hear me? And you don't want me. All you have to do is show me signs. All you have to do is show these signs, you know? Now, some people aren't in a position to be able to maneuver like that because everything is. Is. Is. Is energized and geared towards that individual. That's why I say, fellas, the more you got going on, the easier it is when things happen to change, the more you got going on. Normally, when you're young, everything is about just your woman. That's it. Everything is geared towards that young lady, whoever it is you're dealing with seeing, I think. To me, I think that's why it hurts so bad. Yeah, that's why men are hurt so bad when things don't go well with the individuals that. That they're talking to. Because everything, your whole focal point is on just that. Okay, you might work okay. You might go to school, but outside of that, your whole world and everything you got going on revolves around that individual.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (61:38)

Yeah. Yeah. Once you. Once you start. Stop celebrating me and start tolerating me. Look, just be. Just. Just tell me it's okay. Yeah, it's gonna break my heart. I'm not gonna lie, because I. Because I do care.

Shannon Sharpe (61:51)

Huh? You got to tell me, matter of fact, your actions. Your actions will show me.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (61:56)

Yeah, I definitely see. I definitely see better than I hear. But also, a lot of times people have a hard time saying that because everybody said, oh, I could just. Nah, it's A lot harder than it seems. It's easy to say that now because there are some things that that person does that you really like and what drew you to the said individual. But, man, it's a situation, bro. Like, God almighty.

Shannon Sharpe (62:24)

What? Hey, Titus. What's up, twin?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:30)

Come on, this way. Come on, this side. Come on. Come on.

Shannon Sharpe (62:34)

Okay. Come on.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:35)

Okay. Yes. Yes.

Shannon Sharpe (62:36)

Hey, what's up, Titus?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (62:42)

Go to bed. Hey, hey. Come on, let's go. Come on, let's go. Chilling. Just chilling. Just got home and let him out, and I knew he was gonna run straight down here. That's why I had his. I had him locked up. But, yeah, it's tough, Ocho. Everybody says, oh, it's. It's not easy. Especially when you've been somewhere, someone with a significant amount of time. There's natural attachment. There's things that you really, really like about this person. It don't matter how long you. There's still things about that person that you don't like. Everything about a person. Anybody tell you that that's not true? Because nobody has all the qualities that you want or you like. You just hope they have enough of the ones that you can't do without. And some of the ones that they don't have, you really to overlook.

Shannon Sharpe (63:36)

Oh, yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:37)

But, man, hey, to be somewhere that you're not wanted.

Shannon Sharpe (63:43)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (63:44)

And then it's always, you know, no matter what you do, it's not good enough. It seemed like the least thing.

Shannon Sharpe (63:51)

It get on that note. It turn them off. Matter of fact, all the things. All the things she fell in love with, all the things that she enjoyed when you first met, all the places you like to dine at, all the places, you know, all the other little things, all the cuddling, you know, all the fun stuff. You know, once the dopamine wears off, the honeymoon phase is gone. You know, everything has now become routine. Man, listen. What.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (64:23)

Ocho? That's another reason why a lot of athletes get. Because, see, here's the thing. When you making that money, a lot of times they'll. They'll tolerate you. You going out, hanging with the boys, coming in at 3 or 4, that ain't a problem. Cause you give them a 10, 15 grand a month, you got this big old house. Okay, Ocho, you passing gas. You know what I noticed? Gas don't smell nearly as bad as you making 5, 6 million dollars a year. As opposed to you making 100,000 a year. You notice that, Ocho? I'm just saying. I'm gonna keep it. Hey, we gonna Be honest. We're gonna have an honest conversation now.

Shannon Sharpe (64:54)

Fuck you talk now. Come on, preacher.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (64:56)

If you go back and look at it, look at women, all the things that like, he doing all this. He did it when he was in the league. When he's in the NBA, he's in the NFL, he's in the nmlb. He did all those things. The only difference he making, 10, 15, $20 million a year.

Shannon Sharpe (65:11)

Yes, sir.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (65:12)

Now all of a sudden you can't go get Birkins like you once could. You can't get lv, you can't get Dior, you can't get Chanel. Now it's a problem. It was never a problem, him coming in and he told you, well, I was with the boys. He came in at 4 o'clock or he came in the next morning. You ain't have a problem with it. The moment he leave the NFL, the moment he leave the professional realm, he get on my nerves. Yeah, he never got on your nerves before.

Shannon Sharpe (65:44)

Yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (65:45)

I need you around more, Ocho. Cause think about it. When we play sports, Ocho, we gone. We leave the house at what, 8, 8:30 in the morning. We don't get back to 5. Now all of a sudden, I want you to. You always gone. Now I'm home. I wish you find something to do. Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (66:03)

Which one you want?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:04)

I work. I worked for 14 years not to do any. Listen, I'm sorry that most people don't get to retire at 35. I did. Oh, well.

Shannon Sharpe (66:15)

Yeah. The more money you have. Huh? You know, the more money you have.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:22)

The longer you lease, the more they'll tolerate bull jive.

Shannon Sharpe (66:26)

The long. The more money you have, the longer the lease.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:29)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (66:29)

And then obviously, sometimes you get in a certain tax bracket. Sometimes you get in a certain, A certain tax bracket where your lease is. Is in. What's the word I'm looking for? Not inevitable.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:47)

What do you. What do you.

Shannon Sharpe (66:48)

Infinite.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:49)

Infinite.

Shannon Sharpe (66:50)

Infinite, yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (66:51)

That's as long, as long as for perpetuity. It's infinity.

Shannon Sharpe (66:55)

Infinite. And then you know what I'm also thinking about? I was also thinking about some of the wealthiest men in the world, Right. And you think money's an issue. Just based on the situation we talk about right now? This is the great, great analogy. I think about the billionaires, you know, and how they have not succeeded in wide times. I think, well, hell if. If they couldn't do it, what goddamn chance do I have? And they have it all. They're able to give all, you know, to solve all problems, you know, especially From a financial standpoint, and I'm assuming they're there emotionally as well. All had divorces. Jeff Bezos, Michael Jordan.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:36)

Yeah, for sure.

Shannon Sharpe (67:38)

There are a few there. There are a few more billionaires I don't have.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:41)

But see, here's the thing. Mistake people make is that they think money problems. No, you just have. But you just have means to help throw just maybe solve some of this.

Shannon Sharpe (67:51)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (67:51)

But it doesn't absolve you. It doesn't, man. If I had. Bro, you still have the same problems. Your girl or your wife or whatever transpired, you're gonna have issue with your kids. Everybody. Kids not perfect. As much as we want all our kids to grow up and be respectful and be mannerable and don't run a fire with the law and go to college and be off, it doesn't happen like that. All money does is that give you an opportunity that you could, hey, I got means in which I can probably try to solve some of this, but it doesn't guarantee it.

Shannon Sharpe (68:21)

It masks everything for a little bit.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (68:23)

It does. It does. And so I. But I. Because I've seen it, Ocho. I've seen some of my teammates and I've seen guys that do things and it wasn't a problem when they was in the league.

Shannon Sharpe (68:35)

Right. Matter of fact, here we go. Think about this. Listen to me. Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, Dr. Dre, Ryan Reynolds, Tom Brady, Lance Armstrong, Alex Rodriguez, Shannon Tatum, Chris Rock, Ben Affleck, Chris. Liam Hensworth, Ben Stiller, Orlando Bloom, Tiger Woods, Sean Penn, Sylvester Stallone, Paul McCartney, Brian Felipe, Jason Momoa. And I already said Michael Jordan. We talk about. We talk about the cream of the crop when it comes to financial earning status. Couldn't keep a woman happy. And the woman. The women, all of their women initiated divorce. And so I sat back. I was. I was looking over something.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (69:19)

I was.

Shannon Sharpe (69:20)

I was reading something earlier today, you know, and I understand that, you know, really now, we had our beef, we had our arguments, we had our disagreements and misunderstandings. Right. You know, and I. And I thought to it and I came across this. I'm like, well, God damn if they couldn't get it right. You know, and they have almost everything. They have the resources, the wisdom. And all their wives left them. And these ain't just anybody. We talk about Tom Brady. How do you leave Tom Brady? How do you leave Michael Jordan? I didn't need Tiger Woods. I mean, I understand there were things that happened publicly and, you know, some things that didn't happen publicly, you know, with others that. That were left. Jeff Bezos, we talking about you left Mr. Amazon.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (70:11)

Hell, didn't Bill Gates get a divorce?

Shannon Sharpe (70:14)

I mentioned Bill. I said Bill.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (70:16)

Yeah, I think Melinda Gates. I think even Melinda separated.

Shannon Sharpe (70:19)

What the hell is going on? If they couldn't do it, what the f. Makes me think even I don't have a chance.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (70:25)

But that's what I'm saying, Ocho. When I get married, that's what I'm saying, I wait a long time, I'm gonna do it once. Now, what is gonna happen? Hey, you go ahead. I'm going out into the guest bedroom, but ain't nobody going nowhere, right?

Shannon Sharpe (70:37)

Right? Yeah. I mean, I like it.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (70:40)

Whatever issue we got, we can solve it, right?

Shannon Sharpe (70:43)

I like that. See, you see, I like what you just said. Now, that's something that I've always been. Anytime there was a problem, I was always able to find a solution. I was always the problem solver. Always have been. Now, at times, I know my personality is all about fun. It's about joking, it's about laughing, you know, just being happy. But there's also a serious side, you know, There's a good side. Because when I mess up, when I get in trouble, I ain't got but to straighten up and be somebody that I'm not.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:15)

But here's the problem. Here's the thing. You can only solve a problem if the other person wants it solved.

Shannon Sharpe (71:23)

One plus one. Got to eat with two.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:25)

If I don't want it solved, I don't care what you do. I don't care what you say. Right? So if it takes two. They say it takes two to tango.

Shannon Sharpe (71:34)

It does.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:35)

Okay.

Shannon Sharpe (71:36)

Yes. I like the tango, too.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:42)

So.

Shannon Sharpe (71:46)

Hey, that's. That's my dance.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:47)

You never. Hey, hey, listen.

Shannon Sharpe (71:48)

It's a good. It's a good thing I'm dancing, I can tell you that. Huh?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (71:53)

Yeah. You happy? You. I mean, there was a time I thought I was gonna have to come do an intervention. I thought I was gonna have to do an intervention.

Shannon Sharpe (71:58)

Oh, you was gonna have to.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (72:00)

Yeah.

Shannon Sharpe (72:01)

I could be honest with you and I could. Listen, we family. I could be honest with you. It got to a point, huh? And I could be honest. Would have felt I was. To me. Let me. Let me say that first. To me, I felt I was doing enough in pursuing and trying to fix things in a way, and that individual wasn't moving fast enough for me.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (72:24)

Right.

Shannon Sharpe (72:25)

You ain't moving fast enough for me. And me not realizing. Hold on, hold on. Now, you messed up, so you can't.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (72:35)

You can't put something on somebody else's timeline.

Shannon Sharpe (72:38)

So I was trying to speed up the process. Now what you doing? And then I started pulling back.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (72:43)

Yes.

Shannon Sharpe (72:45)

And, like, you know what? I got to a point. It was almost like, man, this, man. And I'm like, yeah, I get it. I put my pride and ego aside and say, okay, you know what? Let me make it right. But then it got to a point, man. Man, this. Man, I'm Ocho. What am I doing?

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (73:00)

Ojo? It's like somebody step on your foot. Yeah, man, they ain't even hurt, bro. You stepped on my foot. How the hell you gonna tell me how it hurt? How much. How much pain I'm in or how long I should grieve? If I've wronged you, it's not. It's like, you tell me I've wronged you, Ocho, I apologize. Right? I'm gonna apologize. I'm not gonna say if. Cause a lot of times people say, well, if I offended you, if I upset you. Well, clearly you told me that I upset you. So I don't need to say if. Cause you've already told me. If you say I've done something wrong, you told me I'm sorry. Right? Boom. Yeah, but it's tough. It's like I said, it's tough when you want something you want, Ocho. But here's the thing we're used to. You have to realize, see, as an athlete, you could control the outcome. If I do this, this, this, and.

Shannon Sharpe (73:51)

This, I'm gonna get that.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (73:54)

I'm gonna get this result. I put the work in. Boom. Instantaneous. Because I can see what I did in the course of the off season and go back and try that in minicamp and training camp, and boom. Happened just like that, like clockwork.

Shannon Sharpe (74:08)

And that was the issue. I mean, that was my issue. I'm like, well, God damn. Listen, I'm doing A, B, and C now. I'm expecting D, E, and F, and I ain't getting DNF fast enough.

Chad Ochocinco Johnson (74:22)

Exactly the volume.

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