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Co-host Ocho
He should, he should. He should be.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Might be over 1900 by now.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah, he should be.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And only three guys in the history of the NFL have ever had at least 1900 yards receiving. He's one of them. Cooper cup and obviously Calvin Johnson who has the record. But Seattle was impressive tonight. Ocho, what did you like about what did you like most about what you saw from.
Co-host Ocho
Listen, what I like most about what I saw from the Seahawks is for one Sam Donald. He didn't do what has always harmed him, especially last year in the playoffs in important games and important situations. He turned the ball over. He'd been turnover prone towards the end of the season this year as well. But this game unk he was clean. But I want to give Mike McDonald, I don't know what kind of speech he had before the game for that defense to play the way they played tonight, but they did. They, they had every answer for everything. The 49ers wanted to run offensively. I've never seen. It's happened very few times where we've seen a 49ers offense get shut out like this. Christian McCaffrey, who's able to do so much offensively for them because they can put him in so many positions that to make plays and find the mismatches for him, they played it extremely well, all night long, obviously, Brock Purdy turned the ball over one time. Christian McCaffrey, who has always had sure hands. He.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He.
Co-host Ocho
He let one get away from him and turn the ball over.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, look like he got tipped, though. The guy tipped it. Kind of threw it off balance. Threw it off. But it looked like C. Mack wanted to do something, like he wanted to.
Co-host Ocho
Catch it and get reverse up out of there.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, get up out of there. Yeah. Yeah.
Co-host Ocho
But other than that, Unk, man, this was a beautiful game. Very low scoring. Obviously, if you're off to the type of guy like myself, you want to see more points scored and you want to see the Seahawks take advantage of some of those outings that they had, including the one where they got an interception, but they weren't able to do anything with it. The 49ers defense played well as well, but they couldn't get anything going offensively at all.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, I thought the difference in the ball game. Look, from a Seattle perspective, you mentioned Sam Donald did not put the ball in harm's way. Yeah, he's thrown 26 touchdowns, but he has 20 turnovers. And if you go back and look at them, the games that they lost, turnovers was heavily involved. Now, they did win a game. I think they won a game against who that with the Rams, where they turned the ball over a bunch and they still was able to win the ball game. But if you look at his history, when he turns the ball over, there's a great chance that his team's going to lose the game. But this defense is playing so well. They played a lot of COVID two tonight because they believe they can start. They believe that they can stop their running game with that front four. Say we got seven. We don't need to do anything special. And, you know, they was, you know, and they got after with that front four. I thought d law them. I thought those guys played really, really well. The receipt, the. The DB stuck to the receiver, though. Show and Earnest Jones, the fourth and the rest of those crew, they did a great job of neutralizing the run, putting enough pressure on Brock Purdy where he couldn't get comfortable. And then the longest completion tonight. Ocho.
Co-host Ocho
But how many?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
George Kittle. The longest completion tonight was 20 yards. They only had 127 yards on 27 passes.
Co-host Ocho
That was a kiddo, right? That was the one. The kiddle. Yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
Co-host Ocho
Yep.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes. Yes. Watching Seattle, you know, obviously, you know, watching them, I probably watched them probably about four or five times this year. Oo their defense is better than Advertised.
Co-host Ocho
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And if you remember, oo the last time the Ravens defense been good, he coordinated it. The head coach of the Seahawks coordinator. Remember, they lost the championship game. I think they lost what, 14, 13, 1410, something like that. And then he ends up getting out of there and he gets the head coaching job at Seattle. That was the last time the Ravens defense looked competent.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
If they play. Ocho, based on what I've seen on every team in the AFC now, you know, any given Sunday, anything, any given Sunday, any given Saturday, anything could happen. But if the Seahawks play like this, there ain't a team in beat them. Not the Eagles, not the rams, not the 49ers, not Carolina, Tampa. Now, if I'm San Fran, I'm not that, that, that disappointed whoever the 5C should be jumping over Joy, because you're going to get Tampa, you're going to get Carolina and you avoid. You're going to avoid prop. You're going to avoid. I'm not so sure anybody's really afraid of the Eagles as much as they are maybe last year, but. But they haven't been clicking on anything. They hadn't looked really expressive this year. But if the Seahawks play like this, you're going to catch hell going to Seattle.
Co-host Ocho
Absolutely.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, with the 12th man, like I said now I'm saying they play like this, that means Sam Darnold doesn't turn the ball over. He turns the ball over. Offense or off. Because you can end up somebody getting a scooping score or pick six or you sit them up on a short field. Excuse me, Chad, but if you have to drive the ball on this with those two corners and those balls, it ain't happening. I don't see it. Oo I don't.
Co-host Ocho
Not happening at all with the.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, I don't see.
Co-host Ocho
We. We talk about, we talk about that front four, the first level. They got damn back end playing well, too.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, they got Wallen, they got Spoon.
Co-host Ocho
Man, they playing Thomas. They playing really well.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Look, Josh Job, look. They got guys that look, I. It's. It's hard to explain, Ocho, but just looking at them, they're fundamentally sound. Whatever. Wherever you catch the ball at, they normally get you down there and they come in a hurry. They do a lot of game tackling. There ain't a lot of one on one. Hey, the D line. Hey. They see the ball thrown, they turning and going. Yep, this was impressive tonight to go on the road and beat a team that's been as hot as the 49ers has been hold on. Let me pull up some stats on you right quick. Let me see what this thing. Cause they did a job. The 49ers had nine first downs. Ocho, that's it. They were two or nine on third down. There were two on fourth down.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Downs.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They had 173 total yards. Time of possession, 37. Almost 38 minutes to 22 minutes.
Co-host Ocho
Crazy. That's crazy.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Had. And this game really shouldn't have been close. No, there was all three in the red zone. They missed the field goal and, and, and they had to settle for field goals. But, I mean, they were down there. They should. Could have got points out of those. Give the 40. But I was surprised. What I was really surprised by. One of the things that I. That. And let me know what you think is that how well Seattle ran the ball against the 49ers. Ocho 30. 17. And you run a handoff and you.
Co-host Ocho
Pick it up 19. Yeah, yeah. Kenneth Walker. Because you know what? It's third down, right? Third and 17. Most of the time, you want to play it safe. I'm sure in that situation, they should have known it was going to be a run, it was going to be a draw, some type of handoff in general.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, yes, they backed up.
Co-host Ocho
Why you backed up? Why are you playing the pass, especially in that situation? I, I, I, I, I, I don't understand. And Kenneth.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And, and. But you got Seattle backed up, so, you know, and, and it's not like they totally trusted because, like, oh, okay, let's. Hey, let's just run the ball. Hey, do something. Do something. You know, easy. Yes, yes, yes.
Co-host Ocho
So, I mean, listen, I don't, I don't understand how that even worked.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Brock Purdy did not have his finest hour tonight. He had been playing extremely well. And I'm not, you know, like I said, it's one game based on the, the body of work. I think he's shown that he's more than capable and more than competent. He went to an NFC championship game. He took a team to the Super Bowl. He kind of got. He'd been beat up a little bit since then. But I, I don't. I don't really have any major concerns about him. It was just that this was a total. This was more so what Seattle did do, not so much of what the 49ers didn't do. I think sometimes. Oo we get caught up, like, oh, my goodness, I can't believe they did that. Where they weren't going seven on seven. They weren't going against themselves. They weren't going against air. They was going against a very competent defense. A team that can get after you with their front four. They're really solid. On the back is Ernest Jones Jr. Excuse me, Junior. The fourth is a tackling machine. They got they fly around to the football. This is a very good team, a very well coached team that's put together. John Snyder probably doesn't get enough credit, but you look at what they have a lot of these guys are they drafted these guys now they did sign D Law, they did make the trade for big Leonard Williams. They got Ernest Jones basically for little or nothing. But he's been to make the trade for Shaheed. That really broke the game on. He was the guy that flipped the flipped the script when they was playing at home against the Rams because he's the one that got him started with that punt return and then he catches a big jailbreak screen and get going out the house. Out of the house. But I was shocked. I was shocked. How did you know?
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Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
How Seattle made the 49ers look because I think the 49ers, I've never seen it was like Kyle was like just going up and down that call. She trying to find something to work actually.
Co-host Ocho
And it seemed like everything he called McDonald and their defense, they had answer for it. Everything.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Answer for it. So what you thinking? Who you. Who do you. Who do you. I mean look the Rams, 49ers, Seahawks, we know they're in. It's going to be either Carolina or it's going to be Tampa. And then you look at NFC east, it's the Eagles and it's going to be Green Bay, Chicago. I just, I. It's just hard for me to see a scenario with someone like I said now turn the ball over in the playoffs, all bets are off. I don't give a damn who you are, but just looking at the teams and the way they played thus far, Seattle's defense is outstanding, amazing. And you're Going to have to go there to beat them.
Co-host Ocho
You're going to have to go there to beat a tough task. It's going to be a tall tag. Especially not only forget the defense, forget the offense having to deal with that crowd. You can't hear nothing in that stadium.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right? And they got Enjigba, who's a matchup nightmare. I don't care who your corners are. So don't get Mitchell and Deshaun. They not seeing this dude one on one. They, they don't like to play a whole lot of one. They, they believe they can stop your run with their front four. They like to play now. They will. They will play coverage. They will play cover one. They will play. They go, man, but jig was just bad. I drove a cat quick.
Co-host Ocho
Oh, he nice.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He is. I mean, he is super duper quick. And you better not miss.
Co-host Ocho
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Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You better get both hands on him because if you don't, it's a rap.
Co-host Ocho
And the funny thing about it is.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He got your wallet and gone.
Co-host Ocho
He's not a speed burner. He's not. He's not a speed burner, but he just fast and not now he's quick. And then he knows he's a elite route runner. Elite route runner. And very, very good at being able to manipulate whatever's in front of him to make sure he creates separation.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, he's. And he's. He's unbelievable at that. It's gonna be, it's gonna be interesting to see because if you think about it, the Eagles really haven't run the ball all year. Chicago has one of the best rushing attacks. We'll see what they can do with that. But the question is, we know Seattle has home, so that means Chicago will be the two seed. The Eagles will be the three seed. So that means. So right now, who, who's who. Who's the three? What's five? Six. So Niners are five, Rams are six. So that means the Rams go. Go to Philly. That means the Niners get the winner of Tampa and Carolina. I mean, if, if Atlanta wins, Carolina's in the playoff. If New Orleans wins, Tampa's in the playoffs. So that means Green Bay is the seventh seat. So they go to the two seat, which would be the Bears. Okay, so now, I mean, the Bears are going to play because look, they about to. I think Caleb Williams, he throws for like 200 and something yards. He'll be the first 4,000 yard passer in Bears history. Now you talk about a team, they talk about A team that's damn near over 100 years old and they've never had a 4,000 yard pass. They're the only team, I think, if I'm not mistaken, in NFL history that's never had a 4,000 yard passer.
Co-host Ocho
That's crazy.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So you see where you see how this thing is headed. Rams going to Philly 49ers are going to be on the road to either Carolina or Tampa. And Green Bay is going to be on the road again against Green Bay. I mean, excuse me, gonna be on the road against Chicago and see, see Alabama home with the heels kicked up. Said, we get who we get.
Co-host Ocho
It don't matter. I don't.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We get.
Co-host Ocho
You think, you think about teams that get the buy. We get NFL and you look at the teams in college football that gotten the buy. Do you think that the same effect in having rushed as opposed to the teams that get a bye week in college or you don't think that really affects NFL?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know, it all depends. Turnovers, they're so weighted, so heavy come post season time. Ocho, that momentum swings, I'm talking about that momentum swings quick. And before you know it, where you're normally down 7, you're probably down 14, 17. And especially if you're at home because now every third down, you don't get. Your crowd get antsy, they get real quiet, they start to boo. The opposing team start to feel bigger life. But we've seen, I mean we've seen Kansas City going the road. It all depends. How well can your quarterback handle adversity? That's the key. That's the key. And for the most part, Hertz and Purdy are the only ones that's, that's been in this situation. Sam Darnold is probably has never had to win a playoff game on the road. He's never done it. Remember how bad he went to Detroit last year and looked off? Bad.
Co-host Ocho
That was bad.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
This is, this will be Caleb Williams first time in the postseason. Jordan Love has had some success in the postseason. He, he did go to Dallas and drop 48 on them. So Matt Stafford is, you know, has one had gone the road and, and, and, and beat Tampa with Tom Brady and went on to win a Super Bowl. So you look at the quarterbacks that's been in these situations before and you try to get you, you probably give them a slight nod. But Seattle's defense is a, is a neutralizer. It's, it is an equalizer.
Co-host Ocho
It's going to make, it'll be the difference. It's it's going to be the difference if Sam Donald plays the way he does in the offseason without turning the ball over, without putting the ball in harm's way with that defense that Seattle's playing right now. Now I'm not saying they they not the legion of Boom. They not that they not that but they damn sure is good where they can be the reason they can hold that goddamn trophy up because I don't see I don't see an offense in the AFC that's that high powered that can create that many mismatches where they can have success going up and down the field on that defense. I don't.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I don't. I don't either. I don't either. I mean all things being equal AFC I would probably give the nod to Josh Allen because he's been in the playoffs in these situations more times than not. He's a guy that that legs and and the moment and he does a great job come playoff time of taking care of the football. Now his bugaboo was early in his career in the regular season turning it over and get that's what got them in harm's way. But he's done a fairly good job come post season time of taking care of the football. He's played really well in some games that he happened to be opposite of Patrick Mahomes who's kind of one upped it. But I agree I mean but you know that I think that's the thing that fans love most about the NFL Ocho is one game.
Co-host Ocho
That's it.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I ain't got to beat you four times. I got to beat you one. I got to beat you one Saturday one Sunday. That's it.
Co-host Ocho
I like it.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's it. That's all I got to do. Z Kenneth Walker 16 carries 97 yards Zach Shar 17 carries 74 yards I thought Sam Darnold made some great plays with his legs or your buying time. He bought some time find Cooper cup bought some time Fall Jackson JSN I thought he did a great job of of buying time with his legs getting letting the guys work their way find a find a way to get open and then and doing a great job. Look he's not much of a scrambler nobody expect him to be he doesn't have to be but when you got a running game like that they can run the football but JSN and you still got a burner even though Shahid he did do a whole lot the passing game tonight he's more than he's more than capable.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Of having a big.
Co-host Ocho
They just gotta put him in position to do it. That's all. That's all it comes down to. Hey, you know Shaman, how you say the running back name? Charbonnet. He remind me of Robert Smith from the Vikings. A shirt. Shirt. Shirt tucked in, looking exactly like Robert Smith, the way he runs.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But it's gonna be. It's gonna be a. Let the fun begin. But the Seattle Seahawks get the number one seed and they win the NFC west thanks to a 133 victory on the road against the San Francisco 49ers. They finished the regular season with a 14 and three record. 49ers close out the year. Considering all the injuries that they've undergone, for them to be 12 and 5 and the number 5 seed in the playoffs, I think that's a pretty good job. I thought Kyle Shanahan did a great job of keeping this team together. I thought Mac Jones did a great job of when he came in of playing at an extremely high level to keep these. Keep this table. Because, you know, they've had injuries, they've had Williams be out. They had Big Trent, he was out. Kittle missed time. Purdy missed time. They've had a lot of. They've had an influx. Obviously Bosa's done. Was done for the season early on, but for them to. To. To maintain an extremely high level of play and still make the playoffs, given the injuries, I think that's a pretty good. I think that's a pretty good accomplishment. They don't feel that way right now considering they had home. They were on their own home turf and they got out played tonight in all phases, offense, defense and special teams. But 12 and five and to have a. And to get into the playoffs, I think that speaks volume to what type of team they're playing. But congratulations to the Seattle Seahawks. They win 133 on the road against the 49ers. Finished the regular season 14 and 3 and they will be the number one seed in the NFC. Jackson, Smith and Jigba. He finishes the season Ocho.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
119 catches, which ties him for the lead right now. Puka Nakua has 119 and McBride has 119. So he's not going to win that, but he finished it with 1793 yards.
Co-host Ocho
That's a good. Steve.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Not quite 18. Not quite. They've only been a handful of guys that's ever had 18 or 1900 yards. Julio did it. I think Reverend Ike Isaac Bruce did it. Obviously Jerry did it. Cooper cup had 19 a little like 1947 Calvin had, Megatron had 1964 a B AB had I think AB had 1800 too. They've only been a handful of guys. They're probably less than 10 guys that's had 18 or 1900 yards receiving in the history of the NFL. I think Bruce never had 18. What do you have? 17. Okay, 1781. All the two with 19 Jeddah had, Jerry had 1848. Right. Okay, so yeah, Tyreek had 1799. Hey, but he also had another 1700 yard catch season. But okay. The Bucks beat the Panthers about the score of 1614. Now the Panthers need the Falcons to beat the Saints to force a three way tie with them and eight nine that would give the division to Carolina via the tiebreaker. The Buccaneers need to saint playing without Chris Olave. He has blood clots. Alvin Kamara near an ankle to get to get a win or tied to claim the fifth straight NFC type NLC south title despite winning only two of their final three games. Bryce Young says it'll be a tough one. Might not even watch to be honest with you.
Co-host Ocho
Hey man, listen, I'm never one to really complain, right? I'm never one to really complain. But yeah, with the officiating now if I'm not mistaken, the refs, they, they all get graded, you know, so if the refs degraded on their performance on how they did on officiating the game and calling a game fair, you know, I mean the rest would have got a deal after night, they would have got a doaf tonight. I think they are the reason I can call multiple plays we had or McMillan Pass interference. That wasn't a pass interference.
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This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names. This message is brought to you by Pizza Hut because if you're yelling Hut on Sundays, why not Yo Pizza first.
Co-host Ocho
So Pizza Hut just put out one of the coolest like funniest challenges maybe ever.
Julian Edelman
Pizza Hut. What is it?
Co-host Ocho
Basically, if a quarterback says Pizza before they say Hut, Pizza Hut will give that quarterback city a pizza party.
Julian Edelman
Is this real?
Co-host Ocho
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
Julian Edelman
You think coaches are bringing this up in team meetings?
Co-host Ocho
You think a pizza party is worth a false start?
Julian Edelman
Or what if they got the other team to jump off sides with a Pizza Hut?
Co-host Ocho
Hey, whatever it takes this time of year.
Julian Edelman
A hundred percent this weekend. Let us know if you hear Pizza Hut. I know I'll be listening.
Co-host Ocho
That wasn't oh goddamn PI. I'm not sure what they are watching. Then there was a PI called on on the defense.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The guy tripped himself K dot and tripped his own. And even if. Even if the DB had tripped Mocho. That's incidental. You don't call that. For it to be tripping. It has to be.
Co-host Ocho
Exactly. So I was getting ready to say, yeah, the one on K dot. I mean, that. That's ridiculous. I'm like, what are we watching? What are we doing? And. And we always talk about, you know, what people think, you know, games are rigged. And. And when you see stuff like this, and this is coming from a form. A former player, I understand this is one thing to call. Call a game fair if something is egregious, you know, throwing the flag for it. But actually, it. It looks as if the refs don't even know the game. They don't even know the rules that they're in favor of the Bucks. Now, listen, the. The Bucks won the game. I'm not complaining about that. But let's. Let's, like, come on now, Call. Call the game fair. Like, what I. What I saw tonight from the officiating. I hope I don't get fined, but that was ridiculous. I mean, they. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It was. It was. And the thing if. We haven't learned anything. Rico Dowdle, you saw what just happened. And two, three weeks ago, it was a lateral pass. The guy picked it up. He was in the end zone, so there's really nothing here to do. Why didn't you just pick it up and just take off running? Make them. Make them. I get it. That was a lateral. Do you know? I guess because he didn't realize where the ball had come from. But that was a lateral. I know. I was like, that's a lateral. I agree with you, Ocho. You can't. That. That. That PI. Come on, now. Come on, official. What are we doing? Come on, now. Really? K. Dalton tripped himself. He tripped himself. That man didn't touch it. And you call PI. And even if he had, it's incidental. How many times, Ocho, have you gotten tripped? I've gotten tripped. And I was like, man, he tripped me. That's incidental. Legs got tangled. Yeah, I mean, and I. I agree, Ocho. And, you know, you and I played the game, and, like, I hate when people say that, but, man, some of the fans, like, bro, I don't know what. What y' all saw on that one. I really don't know what y' all saw on that. I don't. That was not PI. That was not. That was not. That was not defensive PI on Carolina. K. Don't tripped him damn self. I tweeted out your. Look, the Flicker, I get it. It was a horrible time. You backed up to throw to call that. But oo, what do I always say? Do not make a bad situation worse. If it is a bad call, just jump on the football. Why you in in those conditions?
Co-host Ocho
I was say the same thing. Listen, you already you with them little.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Ass hands he got. He make it seem like he Michael Jordan. Why he tropes try to pick the ball up with one hand. Bro, you five nine, so I know you got small ass hands.
Co-host Ocho
I don't listen, I. I don't.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
In the rain. Just jump on it. What happened? I don't know if he. If he know not to remember Drew Brees try to dive into a pile on the fumble and his arm went around like. Yeah, you get to you, you get your shoulder dislocated. You get your shoulder separated. Bro, just jump on the football. Be smart. Don't make a bet. Coach said this many years ago, Ocho guy ran the wrong route. The quarterback tried to throw it to him, got him picked. He said, son, why would you make a bad situation worse? He had already run the wrong route. Don't you exacerbate it by throwing him the ball and got it picked. It was a horrible call. We all agree it was a horrible call. Which was made worse by him trying to pick the ball up with one hand when it's raining. I guess he ain't never. He from California, so I know he ain't never chased no grease pig. So he ain't been to the county fair or nothing like that.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah. Damn, man. Hey, I was. I. I don't know.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But it's oo. It's stuff like that that gets you frustrated. Bryce Young is playing. Bryce Young has never played any other position. It's hard for me to believe that he played any other position at his other quarterback.
Co-host Ocho
That's it.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Some things is. It is QB 101. It's basic. You open. Okay, Just die with the ball, son. Now if it's fourth down, I get it. I gotta try to make a video because it's gonna end anyway. But in that situation, no, you dive on the football. You dive on the football. I agree. Why would you call. Why would you call? Inclement weather. Why would you have more than another one? Look, first of all, the center quarterback exchange is hard enough. You had seen Baker trip almost a foam of the ball. You see him trip the guy and you guys are tripping over each other. So you want to hand it to the running back, okay, Take it from the center Hand it to the running back. Have the running back Rico Donahue will slip it all over the place. I don't know why he. I don't know why they go out there in that situation. You need seven stuff. What are y' all doing? And then you spat it. Oh, y' all with the.
Co-host Ocho
Hey, it may. It makes it worse.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Speed bottoms. And then you're gonna put on a spat. And you wonder why you slipping. First of all, you own your heels. Do you really? I don't give a damn what kind of clicks you got. They only got four spikes in the back. There's a reason why they got all the spikes in the front. Because they want you to put your weight on the front. Your balls of your feet.
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I don't know why.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I shouldn't have to tell you that. Hell, you've been playing long. You've been playing football for 10, 15 years at least. But I. I don't. I don't get it. I. I just don't get the. The simple stuff. Bryce Young. I just want to know. I would like to hear what Bryce. Tell me what you was thinking on that one.
Co-host Ocho
On that. On that place.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's raining. It's raining. I get it. It is a horrible call. Chat. It's a terrible call under those conditions. Yeah, you. You trying to pick the ball up with them little teeny tiny ass hands in the rain.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah, that.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That.
Co-host Ocho
That was a horrible play. Call. If. Listen, if I was Bryce. If I was Bryce on. I would have overturned it. I would overruled it. I would have called something else. He can.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He don't got that. He don't got that kind of. He don't got that kind of problem.
Co-host Ocho
You backed up in your. You. You backed up in your own area. Why would you call a trick play knowing that they've been. They've been able to get pressure all goddamn game long? And you call something like that back. Come on, now. Come on. That's. That's. That's not. That's not good football. Especially with the conditions and the elements that we're playing in. It's already difficult to run an offense as it is. It's already difficult to run the ball. It's already difficult to keep your balance. It's already difficult to throw the ball. But, hey, come on. Let's. Let's try some trickery.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, it's like if you speeding, okay. You speed, no show, you already dead the wrong. What can I do to make the situation worse? Argue with them. Yeah, I'm already. I'm Already wrong. I've already created. It's already a bad situation. Now you realize he's everything. He's a judge, he's a lawyer, he's everything because he got the badge and he got the gun. He got the maze, he got the taser, he got all that ish the night stick, all that. Why would you make. Why would you make a bad situation? Go ahead and take. Go ahead and take the ticket and argue all this in front of a judge.
Co-host Ocho
Make it easy.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You've already created. It's already a horrible play, Ocho. Just take the loss of a six yards, move on to the next play. That's my only point. Again, it's a horrible call, but don't make it worse. Carolina Smoke had already won this division. You got a 7 3, a 173 lead, and you blow that against New Orleans. You keep dilly dallying around you and you blow that. So you got it. If you don't. If you don't win the division. I watched this game and I was looking at Carolina coach. I said, damn, when did Carson Palmer start calling plays? I said, oh, man, that man looked like Carson.
Co-host Ocho
I thought that was Carson a little bit. He do.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He do. I said, dango, I said, oh, I guess oo about to get a job now. He fit to go in Carolina, be.
Co-host Ocho
The receiver coach if. If opportunity present itself, especially in Carolina, holl at your boy.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
N you don't.
Co-host Ocho
Uncle, you know, I ain't coach. I ain't coaching no way. Oh, I'm so glad you just mentioned that. Now, let me tell you how. Let me tell you how.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
God work.
Co-host Ocho
Now it's 20.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's 20, 26.
Co-host Ocho
Let me tell you how convenient it is there's an opening for a head coach vacancy that is soon to come. Guess where it's at down the street from you. What he want and done?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, what you.
Co-host Ocho
I mean, what you trying to do?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I ain't trying to do something.
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Co-host Ocho
It ain't nothing for me to put a call to Mark Davis.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now, Ojo, have you seen that team play?
Co-host Ocho
Do you understand what you could do for that team despite what you've seen?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I can't do nothing. Huh? Wait, I need. I'm gonna need. I'm gonna need how many picks? So if you. If I get a pick every round, that's seven picks. So I need three picks per round.
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Co-host Ocho
Just to turn the program around.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
Co-host Ocho
That's. That's messed up, huh?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, Joe, they're not good. They're not good.
Co-host Ocho
Players, they just need the right. No, they don't write tutelage.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They don't. And. And.
Co-host Ocho
And.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And if Max Crosby goes, probably be gone because he. He ticked off. He ticked off. I'm sending him to the highest. I'm sending him to the highest bidder. Ocho, you got to build this. You got to build it.
Jacob Goldstein
Yeah.
Co-host Ocho
From the ground. From the ground up. Hey, For. Hey. From the rooter to the tutor.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. You got to. It's. It's. Hey, it's. It is what it is. It is what it is. Oh, I got you. You just got to start. You got to start from scratch. You got to start from scratch. They don't. I mean, they. They need a quarterback. They got Brock Bowers. They got Aston Jente. The offensive line is not good. They need a receiver. They traded the best receiver. Brock Miles is the best receiver, but he's a tight end. But I'm talking about best receiver outside or slot? Outside. Jacobe Myers was their best receiver. They traded him. Okay. They gonna get a third or fourth round pick. Let's see what they can do with it. Defensively, those corners, the safeties, they got one play, they got one player. I take off the defense. Who?
Co-host Ocho
Max? That's it. Yeah, I think David.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's it, huh?
Co-host Ocho
You're right. You're right. I let it go. I let it go. You right. Damn, man. Hey, so. And you. You letting Gino go, too?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I need a quarterback.
Co-host Ocho
Got nothing to work with, huh? Outside of Brock.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, all I know. Hey, what did. What did Sam Donald do with the same players he had?
Co-host Ocho
Oh, yeah. Hey.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now. Now, maybe Jackson, maybe JSC wasn't there last year. Maybe Charbonneau, maybe Kenneth Walker, maybe they weren't there last year.
Co-host Ocho
Dk, he was with dk. And my young boy, the preacher.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So you mean to tell me he has Smith and Jigba and DK and Charbonneau and Kennel?
Co-host Ocho
What's my young boy? Pre choir boy. Yeah. Yeah, I like. I like him.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So you mean to tell me he had all that and couldn't do nothing?
Co-host Ocho
Yeah. Yeah, it's. Yeah. Jsn. JSN wasn't. Wasn't eating like that because most of the targets were going to DK and Tyler.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He wasn't feeding him like that.
Co-host Ocho
Hey, hey. You see? But you see that?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You see, you want something to grow.
Co-host Ocho
You got to feed him.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I've never seen anything that wouldn't grow that you wouldn't feed.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, you never been out. So, you know, when you grow on the farm. But when they want to. When they want to, yes. Pig, they put him up, they put him in a pen, and they just feed him. He think he eating good. He like, yeah, y' all ain't getting this good old slot like me. Yeah. They say, okay, there's a reason why you're getting it. He getting fat and don't even know it.
Co-host Ocho
Don't know at all.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
In the chicken house, they leave the lights on, chicken to eat. Long as he like, hey, that's why they turn it around so quick.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah, I didn't know that. Okay, I know you learned something.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But see, that's the thing. So he had to feed him. Look, Gino, Gino, for. For Gino to leave New York and to become a Pro Bowler for 4, 000 yards, it's a miracle. So it just goes to show you that the jets systematically, organizationally, is not really good for developing its players, especially the quarterback, because we've seen quarterbacks leave there and look competent. But with that being said, I'm getting. I'm. I'm getting everything I need everything. What can I get for Max Crosby? I know for certain I can get a first and a third at the bare minimum.
Co-host Ocho
You can get a lot from Max.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
How old is. How old is he? He can't be 30. He probably like 28, is it? That's it. 29? Yes, he 28.
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Co-host Ocho
Oh, my. Oh, my goodness.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I get a first. I get a first and a third this year, and I'm gonna need a second next year. You talking about a guy that's been. He's been to three, four straight Pro Bowls. He's been a second team all. He's been an All Pro. I think he's been like the second team. I don't think he's been first team.
Co-host Ocho
Hey, boy, if. If Jerry Jones make a move for Goddamn. For Max. Hold on.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, but see, here's the thing. This. And guess what, Ocho, Jerry won't it. Everybody else wanted too. So what does that do? You get into a bidding war. You get. Yeah, there you see? Raise your hand.
Co-host Ocho
Keep going all the way up. But hold on. Hey, you know. You know, it'd be a nice move. That could really shock the world. Hey, Jerry, are you really serious about turning this thing around? Go ahead and get. Go ahead and get 95 from Cleveland.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He ain't got that kind of draft capital because it's gonna take all the. Those two first round pick. Well, he had to get one of.
Co-host Ocho
Them up.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But he still has two because he got one for Michael this year and one next year.
Co-host Ocho
So you wouldn't do it. What would you do? No.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, it's gonna take. It'll take it. It'll take at least. At least three and some other place.
Co-host Ocho
Ones in the three. We. We talk about.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You talking about the best defensive player in football, and he's not 30 with.
Co-host Ocho
A star on it.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I need three. I. I need three for one. I need three ones. A two and a four.
Co-host Ocho
Damn.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, now you're being greedy, Ocho, because I see. Think about what you trade. Think about what the 49ers traded to get an unknown. I'm talking about a guy that's never not had more than 10. Think about it. He's been. He's been in the league less than 12, 10 years, and he has 125 sacks, man, giving you 13 sacks a season. He's on the cusp of going 23. Breaking the record. Yes. That's what I'm gonna do if you. I ain't. I don't want to get rid of him. You want it.
Co-host Ocho
Hold on now.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Make me say.
Co-host Ocho
But listen to me or trade him.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't want people because. Oh, you talking about. You see. You see how he talking? Or uncle. No. Joe talking about.
Co-host Ocho
But I'm just saying if. If you did bad with him, that mean you can do bad without him. So, you know, you understand, you're in a rebuilding stage. You. You can get so much value for him right now. Cleveland gets so much value for him right now. And then also, in turn, give him a chance. And what he really wants. He wants to win. He wants the opportunity and a chance to win and go to a winning team. Now, I'm not saying.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, you know what? You don't want to give me three at Chicago, Miles Garrett is available. Okay, now, since you don't want to get a Seattle, Miles Garrett is available. Since you want to be greedy, you want to try to hold on to all your picks, I'm putting him up to the highest, Bill.
Co-host Ocho
Hey, Chad. And guess what?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Teams that got the least, they'll trade the most chat.
Co-host Ocho
Talk to me. What would you like to see Miles go? I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if the opportunity presents itself. Cowboys, Seattle. What?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Can you imagine him in Seattle on that Turf with that 12th man?
Co-host Ocho
That wouldn't be fair.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, or put him in Chicago.
Co-host Ocho
Okay, that's not. That's not fair either.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Man.
Co-host Ocho
How they gonna get the ball off?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And plus, guess what? The Eagles already tried to put a bid on him last year.
Co-host Ocho
That's right.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What if he goes to the Eagles? The Eagles? See, the Eagles got the most to offer because they got young players and they got, and they got picks.
Co-host Ocho
Hey, listen, you know, you know, Lurie.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I might be, I might be, be tempted for two first rounders and if I could get, you know, one of the mod tackles from you and you know, hey, maybe if you willing to throw in Cooper Dean. I mean, I'm just saying, I'm just saying I need young players or I need picks.
Co-host Ocho
So who you want? You. Miles Garrett to the Eagles. You get two first round. Two first rounds. And Jordan Davis.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think they'll do that. I think they'd be willing to do that.
Co-host Ocho
There we go. There we go. I like that. I like that.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think they'd be willing to do that. But somebody's going to, somebody's going to put a. Look, Fibo is going to be available. He's a premium pass rusher. He's the guy that's had double digit sacks. Now he's been nicked, but I don't see a scenario where he turn returns to the, to the Giants because they drafted Abdul Carter, third in the draft and they got Brian Burns who's going to the Pro bowl, who has like 14 and a half. So I don't see a scenario where Thibod comes back or with yo, hey.
Co-host Ocho
We might, we might get Thibod down in, in old Cincinnati, huh?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
There's a possibility it's not gonna be cheap.
Co-host Ocho
Joe, don't put the word out. Joe, don't put the word out, man. Joe, not playing. One thing you don't want, you don't. Management does not want their franchise quarterback upset. The message was loud and clear. Now, he said it in a way where it's goddamn cryptic. But those who understand, if you know, you know, if you know, you know, it doesn't need to be explained. And hey, I sent Jeffrey Simmons a message on Instagrams. He ain't respond. I don't like that. I don't like to be ignored. I know he, I know he saw it or maybe he didn't see it yet. Jeffrey Simmons, if you see this, I know, I know you watch the show because there all y' all watch the show. I see you in Cincinnati next year. All right, well, maybe sometime this off season.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, Ocho, I'm trying to figure out and I'm looking like, you know when they say it was a lateral and the officials say the ball went out of bounds, Rico Donald picked the ball up. What do you mean it went out of bounds? It didn't, but that's what the official said. And I'm looking at like, hold on. I only. I messed my whole TV up trying to go back. I went back to the damn start of the game. I had come. I had to go down. Hey, I don't know how it worked. You know, you could. I guess you could like live tv. You could rewind it just a little bit, man. I tried to do that. I went all the way back to the front of the game. I had to come downstairs. I had to go downstairs to watch tv. Okay, because I'm looking. I was like, hold on. What does he mean it went out about the ball ruled dead. First of all, the official was right there. He ruled it incomplete. I saw the song side, just looking right there. He like, incomplete. I'm like, that's a lateral. And then he came on, said the ball went out of bounds. It didn't go out of bounds.
Co-host Ocho
I don't know what they was looking at, but I know one thing. I'm not one to criticize referees, but come on, now. Come on, now. If they were greater tonight, they got to have a drf. Ain't no explanation. And I guarantee you, watch the NFL or Mike Pereira, watch them come out and say, there were some calls that we missed and we apologize. I guarantee you. I guarantee that happened. Watch Monday morning. Yes.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm looking at the guys. I'm looking at Allen, who's the official, and I'm like, what do you mean the ball went out of bounds? I'm looking. Go back and look at it. You can see it playing as day. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was a black guy. He's doing. He's like, incomplete. I'm like, but that's a lateral.
Co-host Ocho
It's like. It's almost as good as if they don't know the game damn near.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Ocho. This is what Alan said and was asking after the game whether erroneous whistle was blown, which should have given the Panthers the choice to replay the down. What was reported to me was the ruling on the field was a backwards pass, and once it was possessed, the receiver or runner gave himself up, which the by rule, caused the play to become dead. Because of the erroneous whistle, the Panther could have had a choice of a replay. But down. Well, that. But see, Ocho, that's why you see, guys always. They get the ball and take off running. Blow the wig. Hey, you can. I can come back. But see, that's what I'M saying he should have just picked it up. But he. But see, no, he didn't. He ruled it incomplete as soon as the ball hit the ground. The official.
Co-host Ocho
Incomplete.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But that's not what you said.
Julian Edelman
They.
Co-host Ocho
Hey, listen, they're not even on the same page. That's how you know something ain't right.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But he did, Ocho, because when he picked the ball up and didn't do anything, it's like giving yourself up. So, Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I don't want no second and 16, okay? Yeah, right, right, right. He said what was relayed to him. Well, who relayed that? I say y' all get calls from Secaucus all the time. Why did. Why. Why did you get that call? Cause if you give the choice to replay it on your. You want first and 10 or second and 16?
Co-host Ocho
First and 10. First and 10. Hold on. Let me get some of this liquor real quick.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, this was. Anytime a game is this close, you know. You know, it's a four. It's a what, a 14, 16 ball game. And the call. The. The. The egregiousness of the calls, that. And the people like, well, see, this is what I'm talking about. And I get it. I get it. When. When you're in it, when you play it, those thoughts never come across your mind. I promise you. I never. I never thought, like, damn. I was like, man, that was a bad call. But now when I just see this stuff, just like, bro, what. What. What the hell? When you say the man tripped. The man tripped over his own damn feet. And you call that PI.
Co-host Ocho
But that. That's. That's. But congratulations to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I'm not. Know. I'm not saying. I mean, even as a fan, if you're a Bucks fan and you see. You saw what you're saying. I know you want to go. You want to root for your team, but if you agree with some of those calls you saw tonight, then, like, come on, now. Come on, now.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, and like I said, there are three or four calls, and they were so obvious, you got to give them a down. The ball. Who relayed that? The ball would have. Okay. Who relayed that? Clearly, it was a lot. It was a lateral. You said incomplete. Give them an opportunity to play the down over. I'm sure they would have taken first and 10 as opposed to second and 16.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, those are times that I wish Secaucus would intervene, give them an opportunity to replay, blah, blah, blah, so forth and so. And let them replay the down, because what happened it was a lateral. It was ruled incomplete. It was the same thing that happened in Seattle and the Rams. The only difference is Ocho Charbonneau picked the ball up in the end zone. So you didn't have no choice but to give him the two point play. Even though they had ruled it. They had ruled it there and see they go back and review it. Why don't y' all go back and review that?
Co-host Ocho
You know why? A damn shame.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, Joe. Even if Bryce Young leads the Panther to the playoffs, the organization might not be ready to commit long term. The Panthers have a decision to make on the Young fifth year option. ESPN Jeremy Fowler reported Sunday that the expectation, the expectation is that the Panthers will pick up the option. But for now they're not considering a long term deal. Absolutely not. A long term deal is somewhere between 50 and 65 million dollars. I'm not giving them that.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I'm gonna pick.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Up that option for 26. The Panther will pick up Bryce Young's fifth year option for 26.5 million, which is a serious bargain for a quarterback in the market. That would put him under contract until 2027. But would they most likely want to see more? The brain trust will get together this offseason, look at the full body of work over the last two years and fill it out where he could, what he could do. They're open to him long term, but I don't expect the fifth year deal, a five year deal to come in the next couple of months. I don't either.
Co-host Ocho
You know, honestly, honestly, when you think about it, on, I understand, I'm not one giving 50, 55 million, but he can have a team friendly contract similar to that of Sam Donald, you know, depending on how he looks next year. If you pick up that fifth year option. I think if you continue to build and put pieces around Bryce Young, I think he can be competent and he's shown, he's shown he can be the guy for that team. I mean he's not Josh Allen, he's not Lamar Jackson, he's not Joe Burrow. But for the Carolina Panthers, Bryce Young is the answer. All you have to do is continue to put pieces around him and he will be fine. When he was at Alabama, he was just fine. Why was he fine at Alabama? Because look at what he had around him. Just continue, just continue to build, huh? I mean he's never going to be.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Just so damn small. Ocho, tell me to go, tell me the guy that you've seen that size, that Height, that size. Ocho, he ain't 100, he might be 180. Fred target was tall. Fred talked like 6.
Co-host Ocho
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Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
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Co-host Ocho
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Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
85.
Co-host Ocho
The Arizona Cardinals didn't have no problem paying Kyler Murray.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
How that worked out for him. I'm glad you brought it up. See, I want you in that. See I do that Chad. You see how I do it, Chad.
Co-host Ocho
He, he's earned that. He's earned that especially, especially since he's been bench and the way he's been playing. Who else could have came in? Listen, they nine and seven. Well after tonight's game, they nine and eight. They nine and eight. I don't, I don't see another quarterback out there that could have come on this team and done and done what he's done. I don't see anybody in the draft. I agree that that's that promising that can come in and change the face of the organization and take Bryce Young Spock and Bryce Young spot and do that much better. I think Young Bull has earned the right to be to get a long term deal. It doesn't have to be Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson numbers. It could be something safe.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh Joe. But, but, but see that's not what his agent is thinking because what you're trying to do, you're not trying to stop, stop the market. You're trying to extend it.
Co-host Ocho
So what you do now that, that, that. Now that. No, no, now see now his agent. Don't, don't, don't be like that. The agent should not be trying to reset the market when you know, you don't have a reset the market type quarterback. He's not in a reset the market type position. You not. Let's, let's, let's play fair. Let's, let's, let's be realistic. I want, I want him to get his money, you know, but come on now.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They list Bryce Young at 5:10. If they list you at 5:10, Ocho, how tall are you?
Co-host Ocho
Actually? Probably five five, nine, five eight and a half.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He ain't. Boy, boy, look here. 205. Ocho, you think that man outweigh you?
Co-host Ocho
Me, I'm 210 right now. I doubt that.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So you think he five pounds less than you at five nine.
Co-host Ocho
How much you think he is? By what I mean honestly asking you, I think honestly he probably about maybe 190.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
185. 190 max.
Co-host Ocho
Probably 190.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
185. 190 max, you know, you know, he's good.
Co-host Ocho
He's good. He's good at that size. He was that size of Alabama, you know, and he.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes. And there are a lot of quarterbacks that played well in college that didn't do well in the NFL.
Co-host Ocho
I like that.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What's the dude, Sam Bradford, he won a Heisman Trophy. Jason White won a Heisman Trophy. Eric Crouch won a Heisman Trophy. Tim Tebo won a Heisman Trophy. There are a lot of guys that one that, that, that played really, really well in college. Just because you play well in college doesn't mean it's going to translate.
Co-host Ocho
It's translated.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What about Tavon Austin? Did his translate? He was. He's electric in the. In college. What?
Co-host Ocho
Yeah, he was. Yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Must. Hey, I would. I. I really would like to know. I really like to put a scale. I would like to see him. I, I mean, Ocho, he is a thin, thin. He. I mean. Oh, yo, look at him.
Co-host Ocho
I'm trying to think in. In chat, y'. All. Y' all forgive me chat. Maybe y' all can help me out. I'm trying to think of quarterbacks that have been in the NFL that have been similar to Bryce Young size.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, Doug Flutie.
Co-host Ocho
Bingo. There we go.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What you mean bingo? You putting your hopes on Doug Flutie.
Co-host Ocho
Doug Flutie with nice, huh? Doug Foodie has some has in cancer moments now.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Ocho, I'm not paying you no damn $60 million for no damn moment.
Co-host Ocho
See you. See you going to 60. I told you he. I say he can be somewhere between.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, so how much should I. How much? What's the going rate?
Co-host Ocho
Listen, for Bryce Young, 35 a year. 35 a year.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That.
Co-host Ocho
That's team friendly. Yeah, that ain't bad. That's good. That good money there, huh?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
Co-host Ocho
What you think? No.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't know if he'd take it, but it sounds like good money. How much? Look and see Drew Brees. How much did Drew Brees weigh? Drew Brees was, Was, was sturdy built. Drew Brees was 205.
Co-host Ocho
Drew Brees big bone, huh? That don't count. He big bone.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So. So y'. All. Now, of all the quarterbacks, Drew Bree is going to be the smallest quarterback ever to enter into the hall of fame in the 100 plus year history. Drew's about Drew probably about 5 11.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He's not tall at all.
Co-host Ocho
Hell, he didn't look tall. Every time he tried to throw, it looked like he was looking over the line to make the pass.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He was his Help is sitting on top of his head like that right there. So he's seeing up on his face mask.
Co-host Ocho
Ah, man, I know. I, I, I, I, I mean, Bryson put the work in, man. He, he deserv. He deserves his day. He deserves his day.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They talk about Warren Moon. Y' all know how tall Warren is. Warren tall as hell. He heals. I played, I played with WAR with the, played against him, with the promos with him. Warren moved like six, three, like 225. I don't know what y' all thought. Warren was small. Yeah, Russell, But y' all see how stocky.
Co-host Ocho
Russ built like a Samoan almost, huh? Yes.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Do y' all see how y' all looking at Russ? Y' all see Bryce Young? They not comparable as far as size. They might be comparable as far as height, but size. That's what I'm saying. Look, his height is what he is, but he need to gain some weight.
Co-host Ocho
No, he can't get.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Russ was 30, though.
Co-host Ocho
He can't gain no weight. Huh?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, I mean, his friend. His frame is really not conducive for weight.
Co-host Ocho
Frame is his frame. And him actually putting on weight, that might do more harm than good. It might do more harm than good. I think for. For Bryce, he's the size he's going to be. The way his frame is, you can only put on so much muscle. If anything, he just need to be able to. To lift and get as strong as possible to prevent himself from getting hurt and to be able to withstand and last.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on.
Co-host Ocho
He's been available. He's been available at his size.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm looking at. Look at Russ from waist down. Look at, look at Bryce Young from waist down. Now you tell me they call completely different.
Co-host Ocho
Completely different.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Completely different body types. Russ. Russ and Drew Brees are more similar. Hold on.
Co-host Ocho
Look at them.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, I agree. I agree with you, ojo, but I, I and I, I got one for you.
Co-host Ocho
Lamar Jackson is thin. He just a little taller, and obviously he's much faster than Bryce Young.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You do realize lamar played at 225 one year and he dropped back down to 215, right?
Co-host Ocho
Lamar was that big.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes. Remember, he lost all that weight. You remember how Lamar came out there? The arm was like, you like, Damn.
Co-host Ocho
Hey, hold on. 222. 20.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Lamar had got up like 225, 230.
Co-host Ocho
That 225 is to size, huh? Come on, now.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm telling you. Go back and go back.
Co-host Ocho
Hey, Chad, somebody got. Somebody got to show me a picture that 225.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But also, look how tall Lamar is. Lamar. How much did Lamar Jackson weigh now? He. Probably 215 right now, but Lamar was like 225, 230 a couple years ago.
Co-host Ocho
Damn. Hey, B. I don't remember that. Yes. Yeah, I remember that.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He looks at 205. What was a couple of years. We won't be able to find that out.
Co-host Ocho
What's up?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, Lamar's a. A. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Co-host Ocho
I mean, I'm just. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just speaking on body type.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
In 2022, Ocho, he was 230, 215, and 23. He dropped down to 205. I told you. Yes, man. You don't remember when he. He came, he showed back up for. And Lamar had had it. Yes.
Co-host Ocho
I thought it was just in the weight room.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I ain't.
Co-host Ocho
You know, I ain't. Damn. That's crazy.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But when. But when you. When you have height, you can put some weight on. Pat Riley was telling the story that when they traded for Shaq, when Shaq showed up, he put him on the scale. Shaq was 383.
Co-host Ocho
Oh, 383, man.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Do you know, you've seen Shaq.
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Co-host Ocho
How much did Desmond Watson weigh? Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
440.
Co-host Ocho
But he doesn't have the height. But he tall. He's six four.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, seven one.
Co-host Ocho
Okay.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's why basketball players, Ocho, they can put on weight like that. You see big baby. Oh, yeah, yeah. He.
Co-host Ocho
He looks short on the court, though, man.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Big baby. Like six four, six, five.
Co-host Ocho
Not short to you.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You do realize miles Garrett, like six four.
Co-host Ocho
Yeah, but six four, that's short. And for NBA. NBA. We talk about. We talk about NBA, though. Oh, Steph Curry, six three.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, chat. Go. Go to ravens.com and look it up. No, but Shaq said one time he was 400. Shaq. Oo. Do you realize. I mean, look at the big show.
Co-host Ocho
Okay, now that's a big boy.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, so he's shaking. Tall.
Co-host Ocho
Taller than him.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, so imagine Andre the Giant. I mean, I wish I could have seen Andre the Giant to. Really? Because when you were kidding, you see somebody, that's all. Everybody looked big. But Andre Giant was seven. Was seven four, 500, 525.
Co-host Ocho
Andre the Giant. Remember Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan had that wrestling match? Yeah, that was a classic.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's. I mean, you. You. I mean, like I said, I wish I could see him now to really get a true sense of just how big he was. Because when you, like, five, six years old, everybody look big, Ocho. So you don't really. You don't really get a sense of just how big Andre the Giant is, how tall this big baby at? They said big baby, like six, seven, Ocho.
Co-host Ocho
Damn.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They got big baby listed at 69. Ooh.
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Co-host Ocho
Hey, so that means he really 6, 8.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But. But think about it. But see, when big baby came out even at, like, 19, look how solid he was.
Co-host Ocho
Big boy.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
Co-host Ocho
Damn. Hey, you know, I. Man, I almost said the N word. Boy, them boys be so tall in the NBA. Boy.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes. So you can. Like, the only guy ain't got to ever worry about nothing is Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant ain't gonna never be the. Kevin Durant's gonna be like Kareem.
Co-host Ocho
You know What?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He'd be 60, 70, 80 years old.
Co-host Ocho
You know who else gonna be like that, too? Wimby.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Who did, huh? Yes. But can you imagine if Wimby gang could gain some weight? Women be 500.
Co-host Ocho
You know, when I think about it, Giannis came in, and Giannis looked like Kevin Durant and Wimby at one point, and he put on muscle.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, Because. Because Giannis wasn't going to be able to shoot the ball like Kevin Durant, so he had to be able to get down here.
Co-host Ocho
Okay.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Kevin Durant said, I ain't trying to bang with you guys. I'm gonna stand right out here, shoot D threes, take you down to the block. You should get to the midi. If I need to get to the rim, I will. But I don't need to do all that again. Look at Zion.
Co-host Ocho
Hey, boy. If he could lose, is he heard again still, Huh?
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think he back now. I think he back. I think he got back. He got nicked again, but I think he back.
Co-host Ocho
He need. They need to let him come on down here to Miami, man.
Co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, they don't.
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Date: January 4, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Podcast: Club Shay Shay (iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media)
This episode of Nightcap Hour 1 is a deep dive into the NFL playoff picture as the regular season concludes. Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson focus on three major storylines: the Seattle Seahawks clinching the #1 seed in the NFC after a dominant win against the San Francisco 49ers, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers staying alive in the NFC South, and uncertainty over Bryce Young's future with the Carolina Panthers. The co-hosts break down critical games, scrutinize team performances, discuss quarterback futures, and offer candid opinions—with their signature blend of humor and insider football insight.
Game Recap:
The Seahawks secured the NFC’s top seed by defeating the 49ers 13-3 in San Francisco, halting the Niners’ recent hot streak.
Key Performers & Stats:
Sam Darnold's Clean Game:
Seattle’s Defensive Masterclass:
Seahawks' Playoff Prospects:
Rams, 49ers, Seahawks clinched; Carolina or Tampa to join.
Eagles, Bears, and likely Green Bay round out the conference.
"It's just hard for me to see a scenario with someone... Seattle's defense is outstanding, amazing." (18:44, Chad)
Quarterback Experience Matters:
Balance of Power:
The episode brims with candid NFL analysis, personal stories, laughter, and the easy chemistry between two former pros. Sharpe and Ochocinco’s blend of playful digs, sharp football IQ, and “barbershop banter” ensures even deep-dive statistical breakdowns stay lively and accessible.
This episode is a must-listen for fans following the NFC playoff race and quarterback storylines. Sharpe and Ochocinco argue convincingly about Seattle’s rise as a favorite, air legitimate grievances about officiating, and thoughtfully ponder challenges facing young stars like Bryce Young. Spirited, opinionated, and laced with both humor and expertise, it’s a quintessential Club Shay Shay football roundtable.