Nightcap Hour 1: Seahawks ESCAPE in Arizona while MARVIN HARRISON struggles + CHIEFS Tyquan Thornton joins Nightcap & dubs himself FASTEST WR + KYLE HAMILTON defends Ravens DC Zach Orr

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1 (September 26, 2025)

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-host: Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson
Guest: Taquan Thornton (Kansas City Chiefs WR)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay’s "Nightcap" focuses on a breakdown of the Seahawks’ narrow victory in Arizona, Marvin Harrison Jr.’s ongoing struggles, and an in-depth interview with Chiefs receiver Taquan Thornton about his emergence, speed, and competition at NFL wideout. The episode wraps with a discussion about the Ravens’ defensive woes and Kyle Hamilton's defense of his coordinator amid a tough start to the season.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Seahawks Escape in Arizona (Seahawks 23, Cardinals 20)

[02:44–07:57]

• Game Recap:

  • The Seahawks clinch a divisional road win on a walk-off field goal (Jason Myers), redeeming an earlier miss.
  • "Seattle stays within striking distance of the undefeated 49ers... That was a big win, a division win for a team to go on the road and win this game." (Shannon Sharpe, 04:07)
  • Sam Darnold outduels Kyler Murray: strong performance, 16/26 for 242 yards; Seahawks pound it on the ground with 155 rushing yards.

• Defensive Dominance:

  • Seattle's defense delivers: 6 sacks, 8 passes defended, 2 interceptions.

2. Marvin Harrison Jr.’s Struggles: Mental Hurdles for Young Stars

[07:57–16:54]

• Analysis of Harrison Jr.:

  • Shannon is surprised at the rookie’s issues: "Given the pedigree and how great we thought he was going to be... I think he’s in his own head." (04:57)
  • Ochocinco draws from his own experience: "He’s got the drops. Listen, Unc, I’ve been there before… Sometimes when you drop one, it gets in your head." (Chad Johnson, 07:57)

• Game Sequences:

  • Early catch on a smoke screen was supposed to boost confidence.
  • A dropped slant and route miscommunication leads to interceptions.
  • "That was the interception too, right?" "Yeah. The first interception." (08:59)

• Coaching & Quarterback Trust:

  • The Cardinals stuck with Harrison, targeting him down the stretch when it mattered.
  • "They had trust in him. They made plays specifically for him down the stretch to go in there to win that game. He had some big catches on that drive to tie the game up." (Chad Johnson, 09:23)
  • Harrison needs to improve tracking the ball; does best when he can face the throw. (Shannon Sharpe, 11:17)

• Mental Resilience:

  • Both hosts agree these kinds of slumps are normal and better to happen early.
  • "Once he gets out his head, he’s going to be fine, Unc." (Chad Johnson, 11:30)
  • Shannon encourages: "Don’t overthink it... You on the road to being a great football player." (17:45)

3. Lighthearted Interlude: Ocho’s “Radio Voice”

[12:41–16:07]

• Chad jokes about his deep, “sexy” sick voice, leading to playful banter:
  • "This is my radio voice. It’s my sexy voice. My girl like it." (Chad Johnson, 13:54)
  • "Man, that thing travel like a hurricane." (Shannon Sharpe, 14:07)

4. Special Guest: Taquan Thornton Co-Signs as NFL's Fastest WR

[27:33–50:24]

Introduction & Early Career

• Taquan Thornton joins, repping Miami’s 305 and discussing his journey from Baylor to the Patriots and resurgence with the Chiefs.
  • "Man, all I just had to do is just find my little puzzle in there and see where I could fit at. But it really wasn’t hard though. They like speed." (Taquan Thornton, 30:05)

Finding a Role with Kansas City

• On why KC is working: "Basically just getting in the rhythm, man... getting those reps and challenging myself in practice." (29:25)
• The Chiefs’ WR room is loaded with burners: “You and Xavier and Rasheed Rice, Hollywood Brown... Y’all got a nice little relay team going.” (Shannon Sharpe, 30:22)
• Mahomes’ trust: “He got a lot of faith in me... it’s just me basically going out there and making him right.” (Taquan Thornton, 31:06)

Chiefs’ Early Struggles & Mindset

• "Just going to play KC Football, man. Just letting it loose, having fun, showing our personality... We all just believe. And we came out that second half just to finish off and come out with a win for sure." (Taquan Thornton, 33:04)

NFL Fastest Man Debate

• Talk of a "Nightcap NFL’s Fastest Man" race:
  • Thornton claims: "I really feel like I went for one." (34:34)
  • Ocho challenges: "Like right now, you think you faster than me?" (34:44)
  • "You line it up until you line it up." (Taquan Thornton, 37:58)
• Discussion of $1M prize for a race among cheetahs: Cheetah (Tyreek), Xavier Worthy, Hollywood Brown, etc. (35:46–37:20)
• On his combine speed: "It’s the legs, man. My legs real long. So, hey, it don’t look like you’re moving, but I’m moving." (Taquan Thornton, 43:47)
• Track background: 200m runner, 400m runner, developed his burst later in college. (44:08–44:47)

Facing the Ravens (and NFL DBs)

• Looking ahead to playing Baltimore: "Just be the best version of Taquan. Get ready for a fight, you know what I’m saying? Take a punch, give a punch, and keep on going for four quarters." (Taquan Thornton, 45:43)
• The toughest DB he’s faced? “Sauce was pretty good... Seeing him two times a year with them long arms.” (Taquan Thornton, 47:10)

5. Baltimore Ravens Defensive Struggles & Fan Base

[50:29–57:10]

• Kyle Hamilton defends DC Zach Orr, blames execution not coaching:
  • "Hamilton said it’s unfair to put all the blame on him when there’s 11 guys out there... he can’t go out there and play for us." (Shannon Sharpe, 50:29)
• The Ravens defense ranks at or near the bottom in every major category.
• Ochocinco: "Fan base is spoiled... those defenses of the old days are not there anymore. We play in a passing league, and at times you’re going to have games like this..." (Chad Johnson, 51:34)
• Shannon: "Patriots fans were spoiled... you winning 10, 11 games a year and getting knocked out in the first round... that ain’t spoiled because a lot of teams could do that." (52:50)
• Frustration stems from offense showing promise while D flounders, flipping the old Ravens’ identity.

6. Schematics, Signal Stealing, and Defensive Adjustments

[64:02–71:12]

• 49ers DC Robert Salah discusses Jags’ legally advanced signal-stealing system.
• Sharpe: The roots go back to Sean McVay and connection of offensive minds—everyone's consistently scouting, cross-referencing, and adjusting signals, making it a constant chess match. (65:03–66:23)
• Echoless about code words and the importance of mixing it up:
  • "If I say Dallas, say San Antonio, Houston, my tackle here... Burger and fries... hey, combo right, bad about it..." (Shannon Sharpe, 67:48)
• "At the end of the day, go out there... They’re gonna get some plays right... Let’s just make sure we get more right than them." (Shannon Sharpe, 70:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Marvin Harrison Jr’s Mental Hurdles:

  • “He’s got the drops. Listen, Unc, I’ve been there before. I know exactly how he’s feeling. Sometimes when you drop one, it gets in your head.”
    — Chad Johnson (07:57)

• On the Chiefs WR Room:

  • “They like speed... all I just had to do is just find my little puzzle in there and see where I could fit...”
    — Taquan Thornton (30:05)

• Fastest Man in the NFL?:

  • “I really feel like I went for one.”
    — Taquan Thornton (34:34)
  • “You line it up until you line it up.”
    — Taquan Thornton (37:58)

• On Defensive Play Calling and Adjustments:

  • “You can call them same signals and it kind of complicates things a little bit... you confuse your damn self if you try to chase.”
    — Chad Johnson (69:50)

• On Ravens Fans Being Spoiled:

  • “Fan base is spoiled... because we envision the Ravens, that moniker play like a raven. Ray Lewis ain’t walking through that room.”
    — Chad Johnson (51:34)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Seahawks/Cardinals Recap: 02:44–07:57
• Marvin Harrison Jr. Discussion: 07:57–16:54
• Ocho’s Radio Voice Banter: 12:41–16:07
• Taquan Thornton Interview: 27:33–50:24
• Ravens Defense & Fan Base Discussion: 50:29–57:10
• Signal Stealing & Schematics: 64:02–71:12

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Summary Tone & Style

The episode is a mix of candid analysis, locker room humor, and deep football strategy. Shannon Sharpe leads with authority and experience, while Ocho brings empathy and humor, often personalizing issues to help younger athletes. Their playful chemistry, especially during banter, makes the technical insights and passionate takes engaging for both football diehards and casual listeners.

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For New Listeners

You’ll leave with a grasp of:

• What went down (and what it means) in Seahawks vs. Cardinals,
• The challenges facing star rookie Marvin Harrison Jr.,
• Chiefs WR Taquan Thornton’s mindset, speed, and career trajectory,
• Why the Ravens’ D is making headlines (not in a good way), and
• How NFL teams think and adjust in a chess match of signals and strategy.

Skip the ads and tune in for top-tier football talk, inside stories, and a ton of laughs.

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Go follow our media company Shay Media on all of its platforms and my clothing company 8484.com well not 84.com but it's 84 being spelled out. That's what I meant to say that 84.com but guess what? That link is also pinned in the chat. We be pinning a lot of stuff in the chat. Oh, again, we've been nominated for Nightcap, has been nominated for two awards, two signal awards under the genre best sports podcast and under the video, best video podcast. Co host team. Later tonight, chief's wide receiver breath of fresh air, Taquan Thornton is joining us. But first, the ball game. Darnold does enough and he outdo Kyler Murray. Seattle moves to 3 and 1 on the season. Arizona, Arizona drops to 2 and 2. The Seahawks defense guy, they got after him tonight, Ocho, six sacks, eight pass defense, two ints. And the two ints. Man, we're gonna have to have a conversation about Marvin Harrison Jr. Oh, Joe. But I was surprised, Ocho. I was surprised. I'm surprised. Look, congratulations to the Seahawks. Sam Darnold, 16 of 26, 242 yards. They got 35 carries, 155 yards on the ground. So that was a huge win for them to go on the road on a short week. It's always tough on a short week to go on the road because that gives you a less day because everybody else gets to stay home and you have to travel the day before. So you get one less day. But that was a big win, a division win for a team to go on the road and win this game. But Ocho, are you, are you surprised that Marvin Harrison Jr. Has struggled as much as he have considering none of the other great. If you go back and study Ohio State receivers, they don't normally struggle. You look at Jackson, Smith and Jigba, you look at a booker, you look at Garrett Wilson, you look at Chris Olave, you look at Terry, you look at all the receivers. David Boston, all the receivers that have come out of there. Michael Thom, Michael Thomas, all the receivers. I'm surprised, given the pedigree and how great we thought he was going to be because he was phenomenal. Blitnikov Award winner. He wasn't phenomenal and he still can be, but he, I think he's in his own head. Oo, that's what, that's what I, I.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Was going to say the same thing right now. He. He got the, he got the drops. He's. Listen, Unc, I've been there before. I know exactly how he's feeling. Sometimes when you, when you drop one, it gets in your head. And they started off the game beautiful. They started the game off. They threw him something easy. They got him a smokescreen right away to get, to get his confidence going. Touch it. Boom. Let me feel a part of the game. Forget the last game and the drops that I had. But then you come back and then you miss one. You drop a slant. You drop a slant. I'm not. Maybe you took your eyes off the ball, but you understood contact was coming. Oh, it happens. And then there's an interception. Boom. That takes away from you. That takes away from you right there. They dig route. Huh? They dig route. But Kyler Murray was, was scrambling to, to, to. To the right. He threw it and he kind of stopped on the rock. Cause he thought Kyler.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you, he gave bro. You know, you came.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. But he thought Kylie was going to scramble. He thought Kyler gonna scramble out. So he was getting ready to pivot out and, and open himself up for Kyler.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kyler had already released.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Bingo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cuz you know, when they make that move like that there. Oo, that's something that needs to be built in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That happens over time. So, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You be able to read body language. But obviously that was a mistake. That, that, that, that. That was the interception too, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was. Yeah, the first interception.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. And the second one, he thought he called it and then.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Popped up in the air.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It bobbled it out of his hand and got the intercept.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, I'm glad to see. Well, outside of how the first half went, I'm glad to see it in the second half.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Turned around, stay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Stayed with him. They had trust in him. They made plays specifically for him down the stretch to go in there to, to win that game. He had some big catches on that drive to tie the game up. So I think that's a good thing. And when you name, when you talk about some of the other receivers, Ohio State receivers that have had early success in their career. I think at some point they're going to also go and get in these situations where they struggle sometimes and they drop the ball. It's going to happen. It happens to all. It happened to all the greats, all the best. And it just happened to him early. It's better to get it out now as opposed to later. True, but it happens to all of us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I, I agree. But you could see him take a big side when he caught that touchdown. Ocho. Now that's on what's 21 name? Hold on, let me see. What weatherspoon?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Witherspoon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Witherspoon. Ocho. He has a safety standing right there. I don't care what you do inside. I'm running to the pylon. I'll meet you at the pylon. And when you get there, I'm gonna be standing just like this here Ocho with my arms folding. Because the only thing, the only place I'm vulnerable is where Ocho to the seven round. Yeah. That's the only place I got a safety. Eight is standing right there. I dare you to run, I dare you to run a post. I dare you run a basic cross.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You got help. Inside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Eight is standing right there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And the funny thing about but sometimes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, what happens is that you get so caught up in the thing about who you got. Oh, I'm a d. Imma do. I'm gonna D you up. I'm gonna d you up. You, you forget your responsibility. You're only vulnerable to the seven route. Only vulnerable. And g give Kyler credit. He gave him a chance at it. Kind of like a back shoulder. But and, and, and, and Marvin Jr. Elevated and went over the top of him. But if you notice oo he does a lot better job when he can face the ball. The touchdown.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Facing the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The ball. The back shoulder. He caught the ball like this and it's like when he only can see half of with like he can't get his whole body around and pick up the whole ball. He's going to have to get better out of picking up the ball. Get GRA picking it up.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But listen, he's been good at it because we saw him do it in college. He's phenomenal. He's phenomenal. I think he just in his head. Once he gets, once he gets out his head, he's going to be fine. Un. I've had a s. I had a game similar to that and I Said it last time we paid, we played the Buffalo Bills. Uncle had dropped maybe three, four balls. I'm talking about easy, easy pause, easy, catchable balls. And it didn't really affect the game, but the fact they even dropped them. I was in my head to the point where Carson would tell me something in the huddle, and I'd tell him, don't come to me. Don't come to me right now, or I have a slant route. I tell Carson, get me out. Give me out. Cause the out route is a little bit more comfortable for me. I don't have to deal with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you can see the ball you turn off.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, I'm serious. I would tell him, carson, give me out on this. And don't. He had called 284. Obviously, you know, two is a slant. I say, carson, I'm going to quick out because I want to get myself back in rhythm because I keep dropping the ball and I be in my own head. So I know exactly what young Bullet's going through. But he going to be all right. Get it out now as opposed to it happening later. I think he going to be okay. It was very important for him. It was very important for the offensive coordinator and Kyle is to still believe in him at the end of that series to give him a chance. What happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? Man, I don't know what you got.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You fought.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't coming through this. It ain't coming through this. Mic. Oh, me? Yeah, you. Yeah, you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, I gotta. I got. I got a little cold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't chat. What'd I tell y' all last night, man? Y' all talking about. Man act like uncle in the same room. No, it don't matter. That. That right there. Travel.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, no, no. Hey, you heard me. I slept under the AC by accident.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know where you slept. You slept up under something. But I don't want it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want it. You got it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You keep it. Yeah, it'd be going. It'd be going tomorrow. It'd be going tomorrow. Hey, you know what I do like, though? I don't mean. I don't mean to get off topic, right? But right now I wish I can keep my voice like this because this is like. Like a evening radio. Sexy voice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what it's like. I know what it's like. You got that. That would have sound like, man. Man, please. Jordan. I mean, I think I got some Lysol up under the seat. Kitchen counter, man. Damn. I think so. I think so. George, man, give me something. Let's. Let's get this thing up out of here. That thing trying to do that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, Unc, this. Hey, Unc, this. This is my. Hey, listen, can you hear me real quick?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hear you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen. This is my radio voice. This is my radio voice. It's my. It's my sexy voice. And I just try to put this on at times because my girl like it. She like when I sound like this. Hey, that's sexy, ain't it? Ain't it sexy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, that thing. Hey, boy, that thing travel like a hurricane. That thing said. That thing projecting to be here.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It just. It's just a little cold. I just got a little cold. My throat a little sore, that's all. Yeah, my throat a little sore. Ain't nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how. That's how it's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, no, no, no. I slept under the AC. I had the AC on 60 by accident.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You told me. You told me. Hey, Chad, y' all remember he said he don't burn his ac. I ain't spending no God forsaking money on y'. All.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm talking about when the airplane. Yeah, on their own spirit. The AC was on high.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bring those wipes or something. I think I got some wipes or something up under there. Come on, now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, y', all, come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm just. Look, it's just precautionary, that's all. I ain't saying it could be. You know, it might be allergies. Went outside in dogwood or cottonwood, maybe. You allergic to.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't get allergies. I just told you the AC On. On my spirit flight, the AC was high and I fell asleep and the vent was on me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, little Clorox. Let me. Let me clean my little area right here, make sure don't. Nothing happened.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now, you good. You good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all don't. Don't mind me. Chat. Y' all just go ahead and oo with his voice.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, Chat. Chat. How do I sound? Chat. I did. This is. This is the sexiest I've ever sounded. That's why I. Like sometimes when I get a little sick sometime and my voice gets real deep, I sound like a radio. Radio DJ in the evening. This is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, hey, hey, look, look. This is Hot105. Thank you for listening to the Quiet Storm with Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, yeah, that. That's. That. That's that. Bingo's voice.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Nah, nah. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, don't do that. Don't. Don't do that. Don't do that. Because, listen, you. You all right? All right. We gonna see. You know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just. Don't mind me. Ok. Talking. Okay. Any.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Anyway. Chat. Anyway, Chad, the game was good. The game. The game was good. Obviously, both. Both team play very well defensively. For. For me, the. The one thing that stuck out is Marvin Harrison. He got. He's got to be. He's got to be in that same conversation with the Malik neighbors, the Justin Jeffersons, the Brian Thomas Juniors. Yeah, I think Brian Thomas Jr. Actually, that's another one. Brian Thomas Jr. This, this season, he's struggling right now, but I think he's gonna be all right. And listen, we talk about. We talk about, you understand the lineage, understand the DNA and the makeup in which Marvin Harrison Jr. Comes from. He's gonna be all right. Yep, he's gonna be all right. Just, you have games like this, you know, as a young pup, and, you know, and it's better to get out early like this as opposed to it happened later on down the line and he gonna be all right. He gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You just have to, like I said, you know, you want him to be consistent. You love the. The grit, the fight that he showed in the second half because he made those plays in the second half, and that's what you want to see for a young player. He didn't duck his head, but you could just see boys like, boy, I'm so glad I called this one. And it seemed like he got his confidence back. He just needs to carry that over to the next game. And like I said, you know, look, he's got a great someone he can lean on. He can pick up the phone and call his dad. Like, dad, I know you had a game or two like this. What did you do? How did you get out? Do I need to get on the jugs more? Do I need to have the. The backup quarterback to throw me something where I'm just looking at, you know, side of my head, do. I don't have to, like, you know, unless you just coming back straight to the ball, Ocho, it's hard to get your whole body around because most of the time you catch it like this or you catch it like that. You know what I'm saying? So if there's something that I need to do that. That would. That would help me. But I just think the thing is, like, son, look, do what you did to get you There, you're the fourth pick in the draft. You've been here before. You, you, you. You on the road to being a great football player. Don't overthink it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Just play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't overthink it. Because, look, a lot of. A lot of what we do is between here. Yeah, look, if you get to that level, everybody got ability. Now, do some players have more ability than others? Absolutely. Are some players smarter than others? Absolutely. You don't get to that level without having some ability. And some players have more ability. He has. We're not even worried about the ability. But the middle aspect is a lot of times what separates the guys. I mean, once you have the physical capabilities and you have the mental capacity to match it. But, man, sometimes in the middle of a game, Mocho, you drop one or two.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Boy, do something to you. It do something to you. Hold on. Not just drop. When you drop one and it ends up being an interception, and it's your fault that. Hey, that make it even worse, boy. Oh, that worse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you got the ball. Hey, you. You pull up on one the quarterback. You confuse the quarterback, cuz, he think you going to keep going. You pull up on him now, he throw it to you again.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Throw it to you again. And. And you bobble it. You bobble it. Ain't no tell it goofy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, you're doing too much, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got. I don't know. I don't know what it is you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Got, but you got ocd. I mean, you know what? Because I'm. I'm. No, I'm nowhere near you. I just said. I just got a little. A little cold from the air conditioner in the airplane.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Good. I can hear you. I heard you just fine. Don't. Yo, go ahead. I mean, what. I hear you just fine.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, hey. You're making me feel bad, man. You make it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chad. Can y' all hear me? Chat. Y' all hear me? I think y' all hear me fine.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm. I'm just saying. Listen, I mean, I. Can I get. Can I get some credit? Because most people would have called off work. Most people would have called off work and said they thought was hurt. You know, I should get some credit for showing up to work on time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you don't. How you gonna call off work? And you the only one in the office, Chad. How the hell are you gonna get somebody else sick? Hit all the way. He worked from home. How the hell you gonna call in for work? You gonna call in the office? I'm sick. I can't come to work and you work from home. What the hell?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey. Okay. Hey, that was funny right there, boy. Hey, that was funny, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he started to call off work.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that was funny, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, boss, I'm sick. You work from home, though. Hey.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, but you know, hey, listen, stuff like this, some stuff like this, it bit it. It bit it. You know, it. Bed. Second people, you know, they. They can't move. They know I can't do it. Oh, I can't talk. And they got the cost and. But I'm here. I'm here. I'm showing. I'm showing. This is what it means to me to be here even when I'm. I'm down and under the weather.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mean bedridden.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Bedridden. That's what I said.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you said bed sicken. But I got. I know you put bed.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You put bed and, and, and, and written together it mean bed sick. It's the same thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, but I think the chat. The chat. We. We understand what he means. I just don't understand the high. He was gonna call this sick. He's the only one in the office and he worked for.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I know. Because, you know, most, you know, people be weak. This, you know, people be weak these days.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People like, well, I don't want to get nobody sick. Who else you gonna get sick? You there by yourself.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I know. It's just me. It's just me. I'm gonna be all right, though. I'm gonna be all right, though. I mean, ain't nobody checked on my well being or nothing. Y' all just making fun of me. Okay. Anyway, Chad, how y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

How y' all doing? Hey, what you do for a little sore throat? I took my flight today from New York. I fell asleep and I forgot to turn. I forgot to close the AC vent and boom, the AC will. It was cooking on there, boy, the AC were cooking. I woke up and I, you know, I came home and took me a nap after I left New York, and I woke up all of a sudden, my voice. My voice was really deep like this. Now, I kind of like it in a sense, because it's kind of sexy, you know, for anybody that's in the chat that has a deep voice. You know, the ladies love that. They love when you have a deep voice like that because it's really sexy and I kind of like it and I wanted to stay like that, but it's probably not going to stay like that. So I want to keep it like this as long as possible. So so. So my girl, she. She liked me more and stuff like that. You feel me? Yeah, this is really sexy. Like, you should be like. Like, that's like, hello, how you doing? What you do today? I ain't do nothing. You want to come over? Yeah, I'm here. All right. I'm gonna. Let me leave the door open. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Bet I'll see you in a minute. Hey, you see how sexy that sounds? Like just already, she's like, before she even get it, she's like, oh my God, he's so sexy. Girl, you should hear his voice. You should hear his voice. Anyway, that was good. That was good. Come on. You're doing too much, huh? Hold on. I need a napkin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I don't know what that is. Chat. Huh? You logging in, man? I don't know. I don't know what going on. Chat. I just, you know, just some safety precautions, that's all. That's all we doing. Just a little safety precaution now.

[Colin Coward]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

We have a very special guest joining us. 2022, second round pick out of the university ran one of the fastest 40 times in combine history. Many question that time. They say they think it was faster than what they said because when it popped up on the clock it was 4, 2 1. Then they rounded it up to 427428. So here he is, second round pick out of university Baylor spent the first couple years of his career at the New England Patriots. Now with the Kansas City Chiefs starting to try thrive, here he is. Taekwond. Thornton. Taekwond.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

How you doing?

[Taquan Thornton]

Good, man. How you doing?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

See what they do, boy, what's your.

[Taquan Thornton]

What up, man?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, shoe. Let him know where you from, boy. Tell him where you from. What?

[Taquan Thornton]

Man, Mommy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, you better act like you know it, boy. Down here at the bottom, boy, that 305, you hear me? Man, we don't play no game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everywhere we go.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We open the door, we close it right behind us. That's what we do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Know that.

[Taquan Thornton]

Kick the door down.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, first off, before we even start, boy, I want to say congratulations. Congratulations. Obviously, your resurgence out there in Kansas City. Sometimes we need situations that allow us, when we get those opportunities to prevail and show the talents that we do have and possess. Boy, you showed the F out last game, boy.

[Robert Salah]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And all I asking you to do is to continue string up things alone. Stream along. They ain't gonna be able to deny you. They can't deny you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, sir. But go ahead. I'm letting you. I'll. Let's take over that you. I got excited because my dog, My dog.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead. What's been the biggest. I mean, seemingly I. Look, I know you had a couple of injuries. You collarbone and it seemedly you couldn't get on the feeling when you got on the field, it was hard for you to stay healthy. Now you get an opportunity for. For your talents to flourish. We know you had the speed and it seems like Andy and my homeboy, you his favorite target right now. And it seems what has allowed you to thrive this year in Kansas City, where in years before, it didn't go so well, really.

[Taquan Thornton]

Basically just getting in the rhythm, man, you know, just getting them opportunity, getting them reps, you know, being out there, you know, staying healthy, you know, getting those reps and challenging myself in practice, man, I'm trying to get better every day at the little things, you know, some of the things that I'm not good at, you know what I'm saying? And here in kc, man, they're very. They let me know what they really want from me, man. And Pat, man, you know, having Pat at quarterback, man, he makes it a whole lot easier for me, you feel me? So I'm out there just running, knowing where the ball gonna be at, man, and it's just making routine plays.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you got your opportunity to come over from New England, what. What was the role? What did they Tell you they were looking for in a receiver when they brought you on, man.

[Taquan Thornton]

I mean, they didn't even have to tell me, man. You see the room. You got guys like Xavier Worthy, you know what I'm saying? Hollywood, Juju, Rashid Rice, you know what I'm saying? A bunch of playmakers. So, man, all I just had to do is just, you know what I'm saying? Just find my little puzzle in there and see where I could fit at. But it really wasn't hard, though. They like speed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And y' all got. Y' all got it. Y' all got it to burn now. Y'. All, y' all got. Hey, you and Xavier and Rasheed Rice, Hollywood Brown. I think Hollywood ran low 4 3. Y' all got a life, nice little relay team going.

[Taquan Thornton]

We already lining up with whoever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But what has it been like? Okay, you get there and all the names that you've mentioned have all played with Mahomes first before. Now you get there and it seems to that he's looking for you in situations. You have one, the ball popped it out. Mahomes came right back, perhaps rolls and came right back to you. That had to make you feel good because this is Patrick Mahomes, a Super bowl champ, mvp. And he got that kind of confidence in me to come back to me.

[Taquan Thornton]

I mean, sure, we work at it at practice, man, we. We doing long drive drill, we throwing deep balls every other play. So you know, you know what I'm saying? A thousand times in practice. So he got a lot of faith in me. So it's just me basically going out there and just making him right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. And the funny thing about it too, Ty, when you got a quarterback like that, man, a quarterback that has expectations, once he trusts you and starts throwing you the ball like that, especially on deep plays back to back like that.

[Taquan Thornton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, they finna keep coming. They finna coming. And the funny thing about it is you always got to be on point and always got to be alert and understanding regardless of what. What the situation is or what's going on or what the reading may be. He might come to you just because in his mind, well, hell, the last time I needed to play, I knew I could count on. On eight.

[Taquan Thornton]

Zero for sure.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And just subconsciously he gonna come back to you again. So, man, dude, I'm happy for you. You're in a great situation. Because the conversation that people continue to have about the Kansas City Chiefs week in and week out is the struggles that at the receiver position. And the only thing they talk about now is you and your emergence of now being one of those that can help them win games. And I just want you to stay on that track. And once you open that door, all you got to do is close it behind you. Yeah, that's all you gotta do to close it behind you. But go ahead. Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, you guys started 02 late. You had an opportunity. Seemed like you was gonna win the game against Philly, and you win the game again. You played the Chargers, and now you go to New York. And do you feel this was the game that's going to get you guys back on track? Because Seattle, excuse me. We're not used to seeing Kansas City start the season 02. We always like, hey, this is the first time that in a long time, Kansas City not really favored to get to the super bowl, you know, win the division. They're not favored to win the afc. You hear all the talk. How have you been able to block the note? How have you guys been able to block the noise out, focus on what you can control, and then go win this game. Win this game last Sunday, man.

[Taquan Thornton]

Just going in there, just going to play KC Football, man. Just letting it loose, having fun, showing our personality. I know the offense, we kind of got off to a little slow start, but just going out there and just keep on punching at it, you know what I'm saying? And we know what we can do, man. We got the players in the room, man. We got the coaching staff, man. We all just believe. And we came out that second half just to finish off and come out with a win for sure.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. You know what? Entire. When I think about it, I think about. We think about the Chiefs of last year, and we're talking about the start, them being 0 and 2 or whatever at the beginning of the season. But you have to think those close games last year that they had this year, they won those games, huh? They won those games. They still had the same struggle, but they just happened to win those games as opposed to this year. Everything's not in their favor, so now they're having to dig themselves out of holes similar to how another team that we know about that started off good this year. Now we're in trouble, you know, losing our quarterback. But I. And I keep saying, as long as they got 15, they gonna be all right. So all the talk about the struggles that they're having, hell, boy, I'm. I'm. I'm saying every time, every week, boy, throw the ball to 80, boy. That's it.

[Taquan Thornton]

Period.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It ain't. It ain't got to be no deep balls. It all come down to you, too. And having that mentality, hell, if I catch me a hit you, I catch me a slam, I should be able to take that 80 something yards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, you know, Ty, we think about putting on a nightcap. NFL's fastest man, you know, are we thinking about getting. We thinking about getting Cheetah. Thinking about getting you.

[Taquan Thornton]

Xavier Worthy on this conversation, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Me?

[Taquan Thornton]

I really feel like I went for one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. Can I ask you a question? Like a serious question?

[Taquan Thornton]

What's up?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like right now, you. You think you faster than me?

[Taquan Thornton]

No. I've been trying to race you a couple years ago. We ain't gonna speak on that, though.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I ain't want to embarrass you then because I want to take your confidence because I'm still. I'm still running like that. But, hey, this is a full. This is 483 on the hill, boy, it's a 43 under here. It's real talk.

[Taquan Thornton]

We gonna see when I see you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All right, bet. So when you put that together, make sure you put me in the race.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, no, these are all cheetahs. No tortoises. So if I gave. So we. This off season, you train. So, I mean, what, we take five guys? So we know Cheetah has been the fastest guy for a long period of time. Whether or not he's still that remains to be seen. We got you. We got Xavier Worley. I don't know. Yeah, okay, Woolen. We got Woolen. Didn't somebody run 4, 2 this year? I don't know. So we're gonna take all the guys. We're gonna take six, seven guys, and we gonna. What, Y' all want to run? Y' all want to run 60? Y' all want to run 100? What you got? 60, 40, 60. 100.

[Taquan Thornton]

I say give me a hundred, man. Give me a hundred.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, matter of fact, hey. In the million dollar prize for the winner, so. Hey, can I throw that? Can I say. Can I say a million?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. Oh, hell no, Turpin. We might. We might get a couple of sponsors. Put a couple hundred.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

A million.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, that ain't. That ain't. That. That ain't. That ain't bad for 10 seconds of work. Who making. Who making that kind of money?

[Taquan Thornton]

Hollywood. Hollywood. One or two?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, Hollywood. Hollywood.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying. We gonna put Holly. We gonna put Hollywood in there. We could get Hollywood.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait a minute, man. You Saw you talking about players that's making. Come on now. We can't disrespect. What Talk about some hundred thousand. It got at least be a million, the kind of money they make.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yo, you see how excited guys get when they. When they get a reform. Get a fumble recovery or pick. And they gonna get $200 that's in a pot. So what you think? It's. It's not the money. It's the title of being the world the fastest man. NBC Sports didn't pay. Those guys didn't pay. Daryl Green and Rod Wilson and Herschel Walker, Willie G. It was the title.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, but we had a different time. These boy making 20, 30 men a year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oo, how much you. How much you think the fast. You want to be known as the best at something. I'm the fastest. Ain't no doubt. It ain't no. Well, I ran this time. I ran that time. It's now when we lined it up and the title for the NFL's Fastest man was on the line. All I know is I cross the line first. Now all that other stuff, I didn't run no 4. 1. I didn't run no 40 when the. When the.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But listen, I'm just telling you what. What happens is when you. When you. When you add money at the end of the finish line, it adds a different kind of pressure as opposed to just being the fastest man. Oh, I'm running for a million dollars. That does something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You just said they make 30 million. So what's a million dollars to somebody.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

If I'm not in season? You mean I got a chance to make me extra spending money?

[Taquan Thornton]

Yeah, off season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. What you think that guy can make if he's the NFL's fastest man? That's his official title.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's already the fastest man. Obviously, if he. If you already ranked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who said that? Who said that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, I see.

[Taquan Thornton]

You line it up until you line it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. I get it. Noah Lyons was the world's fastest man coming out of the Olympics. Now we got a new fastest man, Oblique Seville. So we got seven guys lined up. This is for the NFL's fastest man title.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, T.C. like, he died, boy. He like, hey, see, that's what I'm talking about. See, that's what I'm. Hey, he ain't ducking no smoke. He said, hey, light it up, Hollywood savior Cheetah. Cause you know, Che Cheetah been claiming this title, and rightfully so, for at least the last seven, eight years Taquan. So I don't know Cheetah. Cheetah can get out running.

[Taquan Thornton]

I ain't gonna lie. He running. I'm get this on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, I, I, we saw him run that 10:15 and he got out quick. It's 4:2:1.

[Taquan Thornton]

I stumbled too now out the break.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, you did, you did. But I'm trying to figure out how did it, how did they round it up? How did they round it up? That much? Okay, how you, if you want to say, okay, the four two one to four two three. Okay, I give you that. How you go from four two one to four two eight four two seven?

[Taquan Thornton]

I don't know. You gotta ask them. Hey, I was just going, I thought.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was the fastest man.

[Taquan Thornton]

I thought I had me an island or something. You feel me?

[Colin Coward]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you expect. So when you was, when you was going through your training, wherever you were, did you, where'd you work at? Did you go to Florida? Did you work at Michael Johnson's camp? Me?

[Taquan Thornton]

Okay, we was all down at training. We was clocking like four twos while we was training.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, yeah, okay, so you, you was expecting to run as fast because they, everybody seemed shocked that you ran that fast at your height. So they're like, we, we expect them to go fast. But I think when you dip down the four three, they're like, hold on, we got to Go back and look at some tape. Because it didn't. Maybe it didn't look that fast on tape. Because now you run that fast and it doesn't look that fast on tape. They got to go back and look at something like, what do we miss?

[Taquan Thornton]

It's a legs, man. My legs real long. So, hey, it don't look like you're moving, but I'm moving.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's been running like that, man, since he was legit, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Been running.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He ran with my daughter at Miami Gardens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you ran track in high school, right?

[Taquan Thornton]

All my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what. What was your 102? What was your best 100, best 200.

[Taquan Thornton]

My best 200, I would say, was. I don't know, 20 point high, though. It was high. 20 point high.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Taquan Thornton]

I didn't really get fast at the hunt. Like, my start got faster when I was in college. Like, my stronger Baylor, I got stronger.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Taquan Thornton]

Big velour. Them came with Dave Rhonda. We started doing, like, the lifting. Lifting and stuff like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that. That power clean. That's when I really got that burst.

[Taquan Thornton]

Because, like, first 100, I was really, like. I was more like a 400 runner. The 400 race.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay.

[Taquan Thornton]

So.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Taquan Thornton]

That's why I'm able to run them deep balls back to back to back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got. When you go, look, you guys win the game on Sunday, but it doesn't get any easier because you got a big game coming up again with the Baltimore Ravens. And you know what? Those guys represent. And they lost the other night, and it wasn't like a close game. The score might say 30 to 38, but they got beat up. And you know they're gonna come in, and you guys seem to have their numbers, especially in the red. Well, you have the number. I think Lamar's only beaten Patrick Mahomes once. So you guys just started. Y' all play Monday night? No, y' all play Sunday. Monday night and Sunday night. Sunday. So you guys. Okay, so it's a regular week. You guys are. You got. Hey, I know Andy got up at the board, says, hey, we got this team coming in. We know what they represent. They know what we represent. We played each other a number of time over the years. What's your mindset? What's Taekwond Thornton's mindset going into a game like this?

[Taquan Thornton]

Just be the best version of taekwondo. Get ready for a fight, you know what I'm saying? Take a punch, give a punch, and keep on going for four quarters.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, they like to play a lot of Man, I'm just saying I've been putting out.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's so funny, Ty, he just said they like to pay a lot of man coverage right now against the past. They ranked they 29th in the NFL.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just telling you what they like. They believe they. They say we like our corners against your receivers. That's what we like. Whatever we are, we are, but that's what we like. We like this matchup.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So now it ain't a good matchup based on the statistics in the rankings. That's all I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all. Look, as Oo said, they're struggling defensively. They gave up 264 points in the fourth quarter. They gave up 22 points in the fourth quarter. And then Detroit got whatever they want. They ran the ball how they wanted. They did a great job. Jerry Goff didn't get. But you know, that's not the version of the Baltimore Ravens you're going to get. So what's, what's your expectation from the Ravens?

[Taquan Thornton]

I mean, that's a good football team over there. They got a lot of good players, but good players too as well. So like I said, man, we know it's going to be a fight. No, we're just gonna do play KC football, man. That's what we're gonna do. We'll go out there and we're gonna play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In your brief tenure in the NFL, who are some of the tougher, tougher DBs that you've had to go up against?

[Taquan Thornton]

When I was in New England, who I had to face, I was pretty good. Sauce was pretty good. When I was out there in New England, I'm playing against all. Seeing him two times a year with them long arms. Who else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have you had to go against? Stingley, you had to go against Pat Sartan. Have you had to go against.

[Taquan Thornton]

No, I don't think I really went against Pat like that. You know, I grew up playing against Pat, so. But I ain't really right. I see him in the lead yet. But Stingley, I didn't see Stanley, so I just. I'll say Sauce. Sauce is probably the only one.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. But you know, I'm looking at this, I'm looking at it now. You theoretically was supposed to be the fastest guy. Cause John Ross ran 4, 2, 2 and you had 4, 2, 1. So you was like feeling like I got this.

[Taquan Thornton]

I put my shades on and I was like, yo.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They played, they played with us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So had, had had the 4, 2, 1 stuck. Would you have run another 40.

[Taquan Thornton]

Actually, I did. So when they told me I had 421, I put on my shades.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was it. Okay.

[Taquan Thornton]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It wasn't nothing else to do. I like, bro, the speed. Yeah, y'. All.

[Taquan Thornton]

Y' all don't need to see me at pro day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what'd you run? Did you run on your product?

[Taquan Thornton]

I just ran routes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You say y' all don't saw enough of this speed. I don't need to show y'. All. Y', all. Y', all. Y'. All. Y' all get greedy. So what. What. What was your vertical? What were you saying? Because normally when somebody runs that fast, when you run that fast, you're explosive. You got a high vertical, you got a high standing long jump. So were you 10 and a half, 11ft standing long jump? Were you 38, 40? On the verge?

[Taquan Thornton]

That's a minute ago. I don't remember none of them numbers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, bro, I remember running six.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I remember. I remember my stuff. I jumped like a 45, I think 44, 45, 45 inch vertical.

[Taquan Thornton]

To be honest, the whole time I was training, I was really just worrying about that 40. I'm trying to get really, that record. But I think I jumped good, though. I think I ain't jump bad. I think I jumped good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you. So you knew the record was 4, 2, 2, and so all you guys were down there training, pushing each other like, hey, somebody from this Greek group need to get that record. I nominate me.

[Taquan Thornton]

It was me, Tariq, Woolen, Kaylin Barnes. He was the. Well, him and Woolen was like the two fastest DBs we was working.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, Kaylin Barnes fast like that?

[Taquan Thornton]

Yeah, he fast. He country fast. He from home.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I think he. Didn't he run sub four? Didn't he run sub four, three?

[Taquan Thornton]

He went four, two, five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Man. Yeah, that. That's. That's. That's fast for no reason.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you blinking. He gone. Well, Tyquan, thanks for joining us, man. We really appreciate it. Congratulations on success. Continue to. Continue to build on what you got going on. Don't let up. This is just the start. This is what they envisioned when they took you in the second round. The type of player that you are right now, the type of player that you're becoming. This is what those teams envisioned when they saw you at the combine and they saw you at the University of Baylor. So continue success, stay healthy, and come back and talk to us down the road.

[Taquan Thornton]

Appreciate y', all, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, bro. Get it. Appreciate you boys here Sunday, boy, so love.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Appreciate you, Ocho. Cal Hamilton defended Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator Zach or today, saying the sky's not falling. Three games into the season, Hamilton said it's unfair to put all the blame on him when there's 11 guys out there on the field that are playing their hearts out and they put us in the right position. It's just a matter of doing the right stuff and there. And that's where I feel the critiques of Zach or whatever, coaches are unfair because he can't go out there and play for us. And as much as he wants to, he can't. So it's up to us to go out there and get the job done. So it's not. It's not exact thing. The Ravens defense currently ranked last in the NFL. Ocho, they're last in 32nd. They're 32nd in total yards allowed, their 30th in rush defense, they're 31st in passing first. They're 31st in points allowed. Hamilton also added, I feel like sometimes the Ravens fans can be a little spoiled, just like the amount of success that this franchise has had. We lose five games in 2024 and the World is about to end. Ocho, are the Ravens spoiled?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, absolutely. Fan base is spoiled. People on the outside watching, they're also spoiled. People that played the game of football that no longer play are also spoiled because we envision the Ravens, that moniker play like a raven. Ray Lewis ain't walking through that room. Ed Reed not on that team anymore. Terrell Suggs is not there anymore. Bart Scott, those defenses of the old days are not there anymore. We play in a passing league, and at times you're going to have games like this consecutively. They look bad. They look bad defensive. One thing I don't like that we do is when things aren't going well, the first thing we want to do. Oh, fire the coach. We need a new coach. They're the scheme. They're the scheme. And when it comes to schematics, they're exiting those and it's up to the players to execute that stuff. The coaches can only coach. They can't play. Oh, my bad. I'm sorry. They can't play. They can't get out there and cover. They get you ready through the week. Wednesday with a game plan. Thursday with a game plan. Friday, you go over Wednesday and Thursday, game plan. Saturday, you got to walk through. It's your job on Sunday to execute everything you learned and went over Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Coaches can't do no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I Think the thing they can't do no more. I think the thing. I think the thing for me is that spoiled. No, the Patriots fans were spoiled. Kansas City fans are spoiled. You winning 10, 11 games a year and getting knocked out in the first round of the divisional round, that ain't spoiled because you. There are a lot of teams could do that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I see what you're to do going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's a lot of teams. So I don't know what he's talking about. Spoil. And those teams, that super team that was in 2012, we coming up on damn near two decades. They're not living on that. They're not that decade from 2001 until 2019 when Tom Brady left, that's spoiled. What we've seen from Patrick Mahomes in the last eight, seven years, that's spoiled for what? Because they see this every year now. A lot of it hadn't fallen on the defense. We haven't seen them play this bad. Because normally what it was is that Lamar have a turnover. They have a turnover at the most inopportune time. But for the most part, the. The defense, that championship game they lost, they held Patrick Mahomes the 14 points. With Lamar Jackson at the MVP, you expect him at home, Ocho to get more than 14. I'm not saying you got to get 30, but you got. Yeah. With Lamar, I'm expecting. Considering you the MVP damn near won it unanimously. So I think, you know, they're expecting a little more than that. But for whatever reason, they haven't been able to play a complete game. Because if you look at it, Ocho, the first two drives, Kansas City went right down the field, boom, boom, boom.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Quickly in a hurry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then they buckled down, the offense got going, and then they get in their own way. The Ravens fans are probably thinking, where is that defense that I saw when y' all dropped the hammer on Detroit, when y' all blew them out, when y' all blew Buffalo out? Okay, where's this offense that Lamar Jackson have perfect quarterback ratings against the Rams, against the Dolphins? When are we going to see that? And I think that's what the fans, fans like. We see this great offense in the regular season, but we have really yet to see it in the postseason. And they see this defense that's suffocating, that's stifling. When are we going to get that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I think also when it comes, I think the Ravens have been so good. The Ravens have always been in contention. Even with the first round exit. They've been so good and so promising. So many years, as long as Lamar has been there, I think they're still spoiled in a sense. I think the success in knowing no matter what, we're going to be in contention because we played so well throughout the regular season. I think also that what Kyle Hamilton means when he say fans are spoiled because they're always successful. And this year it's not happening the same. It's not starting off the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, those teams, the Ravens fans, like their fifth year, they won a Super bowl and then a decade later they won another one. So, yeah, they want to win and they're looking at it like we've got one of the best quarterbacks that's ever played. At no point in time, both of those quarterbacks that won super bowl could hold a candle to what they had. Look at the offensive line. Look at, look at the, the skill positions offensively. Now, defensively, I don't think it's close to what they had when they won. When they, when we won those Super Bowls in 2001, they won in 2012, I don't think it's close. Defensively, they got some good players, but it ain't nothing like what they. Even though Rod Woody went to the hall of Fame. But you look at those guys, Ed, Ed and, and, and, and, and, and Ray. First ballots. Suggs is going to the Hall. And then they had, then they had a, a loading. They had load. Come on now. So I just think the thing is that we're not what we saw, Ocho. We're not used to seeing an offensive team do what the, do what Detroit did to the Ravens, do what Buffalo did to them in the fourth quarter. That's the concern that the Ravens fans have because we never seen it before. Have they lost games yet?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Not like that, but not like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not even get to the quarterback. The man was clean. The man was 22, 20 or 28.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, it is flank.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No sacks. They ran the ball for 200 yards. We're not used to seeing the Baltimore Ravens get dominated like that, especially at home.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But you know, but you know what else I will say? I can kind of say maybe attest that we are only in week three, going into week four. That's the only thing I can say. It's still early. It's very early. And in football season hasn't even gotten started yet. It's like when NASCAR when that. When they get ready to have a NASCAR race and they going around and they going around slow motion, warming up the tires. That's what football. That's What? That's where everybody's at right now. Offenses aren't even into their own, so they hit week four and five or week six, then you into a groove, then you into a rhythm. You got somewhat of identity.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, it's not the offense. Oh, yeah, yeah. Lamar Jackson have a 141 quarterback rating. They're averaging. They're averaging damn near 40 points a game and they're 1 and 2. He has yet to turn the ball over. He has yet to turn the ball over.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's the defense. Defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But. But when you let. Hold on. When you're 32nd in total yards allowed, when you're 30th in rush defense, when you're 31st in pass defense and you're 31st in the past yard, I mean, points allowed. That's defense.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's funny. It's funny how the pendulum has. Has shifted, huh? You notice that the offense, when you played it was, well, maybe not that bad, but the numbers might have been there. And the difference was all we the middle of the pack, in the middle of the pack.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We middle the pack. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All the way at the top. Either one or two or three, one or the other. And everything is that pendulum has shifted to where it's. It's almost the defense. Like I said about the Bengals, all the Ravens have to do. You ain't got to be top one, two or three. Just meet us halfway. That's all we ask.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Just meet us halfway. Because being all the way at the bottom, that mean everybody gonna run through us. Everybody gonna run through us no matter what we do. Offensive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You saw, you saw where the. The Bengals were last year. It was a prime example. You. All you had to do is just look. Look to your right at a team in your division. Look at how many yards Joe Burrow passed for. Look how many touchdowns that he passed for. Look at where his defense was and look at where they were at the end of the season. At some point in time, ojo, as a defense, you're going to have to stop the bleeding because you think you're just going to outscore somebody because all they'll do is that your offense will have one hiccup they don't get, they don't convert or they have a turnover.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And put yourself behind eight ball and now you're done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about it. Baltimore, you know this firsthand. 31. 38. 38. Guess what? They turn the ball over, you get the ball, kick a walk off field goal.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, yeah, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what that's what happened.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Prime example.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, well, I don't know. I don't know what that guy was thinking. I don't do the special team, bro, you got to land it in the area. You can't land it short of the 20. You landed short of the 20. That's a penalty. They get the ball at 40 yard line, Ocho, now they get two. First down, they'll go range. I'm like, bro, what are you thinking? Why would I guess, I guess the specialty. I guess he didn't know. There's no way he would have done that had he known. But maybe the special teams coach make sure, hey, we got to get it, we got to get it into kicking it. We got to get in the area.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He knew, but again, probably being overcoached, probably overthinking it. And instead of just hitting it, instead of just hitting it, he didn't hit it like he should just to get in, in the target area.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, Raven, you gotta have to pick it up. It's not a, it's not an easy, easy task. Look, we know Kansas City is struggling, but we know what type of team they are at home. And we know Patrick Mahomes, at any given moment in that offense, they could, they can pick it up. They can pick it up. Lamar doesn't need to do any more than what he's doing. Derrick Henry needs to make a, a conscious effort to hold on to.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, you know what he need to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, if you look at, he's fumbled the ball 19 times in his career. Ten of those will come in the fourth quarter.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what? I think he should take them sleeves off. Huh? You know, you can't feel, you know, you can't feel the ball when you, when you wear them. You know the sleeves I'm talking about? Yeah, you can't feel the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I didn't want that. I didn't want to feel my arm.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It restricts you from feeling the ball. So even if somebody does, it's easier for somebody to come by and pull. And I mean, when you see people coming, it's easy. But anything that's not your peripheral vision, that hits at the ball, right, it's coming out every time. And the only thing, and only thing Lamar needs to do, 1, 2, 3, ain't nothing there. Either take off and run or throw the ball away. That's it. No more sacks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I, I thought, I thought Monday night, yeah, I thought Monday night, he held them all too long. Take out, take off, Lamar. And don't be Dealing Dallas, you see that? You see that spy right there? Hey, race him to. Race him to a point or shake.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Him, one or the other.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you. He's trying. He's too close to get shook. He tried to shake 53 right there in his arms. No, you gotta go. I'm gonna make you a. All this space. I'm a waste. I'm race you to the left. I'm gonna race you to the right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Win every.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe I can get. I believe I can get. Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe I. There you go. And receivers, you have to do a better job of getting open sooner.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They got. They got. They got to get Zay going because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It seems like teams gonna play y' all three down. They. They. They feel very comfortable playing you guys. Three down. What we three down scan, three down spinner, whatever you want to call it. Three two five or three two six. So they got three down linemen, they got a spy. Sometimes they have a couple of spies, but no, he gonna drop to an area. But they got one guy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All he's doing is tracking Lamar. Wherever Lamar go, he's going.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I think they also got. They got to get Zay. They got to get Zay going. They got to get Zay Flowers going. Man, he's too. He's too good of a weapon. You know, in intermediate stuff, he can also go deep. But that intermediate, that short, intermediate stuff that he does, especially those overs, those deep overs, those intermediate, those shallows, man, they. He kill people on those huge chunks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They got to get him active. They got to get him going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oo the 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Salah is on high alert this week. Before playing Jacksonville, Salah said Liam Cohen, staff, which is the head coach of the Jags when it comes to stealing defensive signals in legal fashion. Take a listen to what he had to say.

[Robert Salah]

Oh, you know, Jacksonville, there. This is a very young, but it's a very talented group, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Robert Salah]

Know, Liam and his staff coming from a couple of guys coming from Minnesota, you know, they've got a legally a really advanced signal stealing type system where they always find a way to put themselves in a. In an advantageous situation. They do. They do a great job with it. They formation you to try to just try to find any nugget they can. So we've got to be great with our signals and we got to be great with our communication and to combat some of the tells that we might give on the field. So they're. They're almost elite in that regard, that whole entire tree from Sean to Kevin o' Connell to all those guys, they all do it. So, you know, so there's. There's challenges. They're going to catch us in some situations where they have the advantage and we just got to play good, sound, fundamental football and. And do our best to execute them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know how they steal the size. That's the 49ers offense. Where the hell you think Sean McVeigh came from?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That'S where he learned it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's the whole thing, Ocho. When you see somebody in the formation, that's why a lot of times you see coaches, because guess what? We practice against each other. You telling me, hey, I really like this formation against such and such and such and such. When you go in there, you're in your coaches meetings and you're having conversations, don't think they're not taking notes because everybody in that room, they're not trying to be a position coach for the rest of their life. They're trying to be an ocdc. They're trying to be a head coach. They're trying to elevate themselves. So they're taking every inter. Every little bit of information that you give, because later down the line, never know when it's going to be useful. There's a reason why Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and a lot of these quarterbacks, they kept notebooks. Oh, you a defensive coordinator. Okay, now you're a head coach. Well, when you were the defensive coordinator, this is what you did. You were the linebacker coach under here, under such and such. This is the type of defense that they ran. So that's. That's what they're doing, Ocho. They're just. All they're doing is like this formation. This is what they like to do in this formation. This is down in distance area of the field.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But the funny thing about it, though, you can see that on film now. You can see it on film.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Even if you make the right calls and, and you get those situations where those situations are more advantageous for you defensively. You know, every defense that's called, there's a hole where somebody's open.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Where somebody's open. It's all up to the quarterback. And knowing that and being able to process that information very fast and know where it is, and most of the time, if it's not there, check that down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But see, here's the thing. I see them do this, they gonna lie, right? That's not what Travis Kelsey did. Travis Kelsey pulled up and it got picked.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I remember that play. I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it didn't get picked, but he threw. Patrick Mahomes. Threw it like it was a man route. Travis pulled up, thought it was. I. It was, man. Yeah, they locked it. We locking it. So. For me, I'm. I'm listening to little tales. Hey, coach, they. They. They keep saying this. You know, we came up with codes. If I say. Cuz, see, if I say text, block the end, know I'm gonna crack down on it. So guess what I say? I say Dallas, say San Antonio Houston. My tackle here, if we gonna do a con, I can't say combo. He gonna know we gonna double it. Burger and fries.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a good one.

[Taquan Thornton]

That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I'm saying? Hey, Combo, right? Bad about it. Hey, by the time the fourth quarter, I say, hey, babe, we can't do that. Or if I'm going underneath, I would tell. I tell my tackle, gilligan, you on the island.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You by yourself.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Gilligan's island.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You pay, you're by yourself. And same thing they would tell me, Sharpie, Gilligan, they let me know I'm on an island. Okay? I. I can't expect. No, I can't. I don't got no help inside. I ain't got no help outside. If, man, it's me, me and the linebacker, me in the end, I got to do what I got to do. So it's things like that. But if you keep. You. Hey, you keep. I keep hearing the court, they keep talking about this, and I hear something, bro, you can't do that. But maybe once, twice. And I'm like, And I see you do. And I see you do what you say you're gonna do. I'd be a fool to think, damn. And he said. He said, vegas. And they go to cover two. Every time Junior was St. Vegas, they go to cover two. That's their check. Anytime we empty the backfield, anytime we have a empty set in TD motion. So we motioned to the empty set, that was their check. Okay?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We good?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. But like he said, legally, because they've studied, they know this offense very, very well. If. If they come From Minnesota, Kevin O', Connell, Sean McVeigh, Zach Taylor, Floor all them guys. So that's why if you played somebody that came from the west coast, we had to change signals. We had to change a lot of stuff. They know what smoke, they know lying. They know. Excuse me. They know slant. They know slugo they hey, they know square out, they know come back. So you run them signals if you want to and run the water guy be standing there, damn, why he standing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

With over is hey you, you can call them same signals and it kind of complicates things a little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It does. Because you confuse your damn self if.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You try to play around with it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You try to chase.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I was just gonna say that, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought, man, I thought you said, bro, we changed that, remember? Yes. So that's what it's, it's tough. But you know, hey, at the end of the day, go out there, look, they go get even. If they don't steal your signals, they.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Gonna get some play. They gotta get some plays right? Regardless, they get paid too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Part of football, they gonna get some right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. They got a film department, they got a scouting department. They got players, they meet, they practice just like you. They're gonna get some plays right? What the hell you think you're gonna get 10 yards every time you run the ball or every play is gonna be a completion? No, they're gonna get something right. But let's just make sure we get more right than them. And when the difference is when, when we make a mistake, let's just make sure we hold on to the ball. So if we blow an assignment, the quarterback, you get hit, hold on to the ball, running back guy runs through the hole. Just make sure you hold on to the ball. On the flip side, when we they make a mistake, let's not make a 20 yard game. Let's, let's. A house call. That's a house call.

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