Nightcap Hour 1: SGA and Thunder TAKE CARE of Spurs + Wemby STILL CONFIDENT

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: SGA and Thunder TAKE CARE of Spurs + Wemby STILL CONFIDENT

Episode Date: May 23, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests/Co-hosts: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, Joe "ISO Joe" Johnson

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay dives deep into the pivotal NBA Playoff matchup between the Oklahoma City Thunder and the San Antonio Spurs. Shannon Sharpe, alongside Chad Johnson and Joe Johnson, provide sharp analysis and entertaining banter as they break down OKC’s dominance, dissect the performances of stars Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA) and Victor Wembanyama (Wemby), and explore how the Thunder’s exceptional bench outmatched the Spurs. The conversation weaves in relevant basketball history, player mentality, and the nuances of playoff basketball, giving fans both tactical insight and engaging storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Thunder’s Statement Victory & Bench Domination

• Thunder Win, Bench Makes History:

  • OKC defeats the Spurs 123-108, reclaiming control of the series.
  • The Thunder bench outscores the Spurs’ second unit by a staggering margin:
    • “Oklahoma City bench have outscored the San Antonio second unit 107 to 28 through the first two games.” (Shannon, 07:14)
    • "Tonight the Thunders bench outscored their starters ... That’s the first time since Game 5 in the 2022 Eastern Conference Final." (Shannon, 07:29)
  • "You look at they bench, though. They bench plus 28, plus 26, plus 22. Bro, I don't know if it's ever happened like this in the postseason." (Chad Johnson, 19:13)

• Key Performers Off the Bench:

  • Jared McCain posted a career-high 24 points.
  • Jalen Williams opened with four threes in the first half, going 5 of 6 from deep.
  • Alex Caruso continued his impactful two-way play.
  • "Jared McCain, I think that's a career high for him tonight ... but when you look at it, you're thinking to yourself, man, who gonna come along on the ride with me if you shade you like." (Chad Johnson, 19:12)

• Depth as Weapon:

  • Thunder managed multiple injuries over the season; the next-man-up culture is ingrained.
    • "What's underestimated about this Thunder team is how they've played a significant amount of time without a lot of their key guys." (Chad Johnson, 09:07)
    • "This is what you call a championship win right here, man. Championship win.” (Chad Johnson, 10:00)

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San Antonio’s Challenge & Wemby’s Burden

• Wemby's Individual Brilliance vs. Lack of Support:

  • Victor Wembanyama: 26 points, flawless from the free-throw line, but only 4 rebounds (second half).
  • “He didn't get much help from his, from his bench. ... All five starters within double figures. But that's not enough.” (Shannon Sharpe, 07:49)
  • "It's not [Wemby's] lack of effort ... when the ball goes up and see. Want somebody find Wimby. ... they’re putting a body on him. Ain't no free runs to the basketball, bro." (Shannon, 26:08 and 26:30)

• Spurs' Structural Limitations:

  • Chad and Joe agree that the Spurs, as currently constructed, lack the depth to survive when Wemby rests or when bench production falters.
  • "When Wimby goes out, they lose so much steam. ... If the bench is playing that well, somebody gotta give me something." (Shannon Sharpe, 16:49 & Joe, 32:06)
  • Discussion about the Spurs needing to “go through what OKC went through” in past years: playoff scars lead to future success.

• Adjustments & Physicality:

  • Spurs lost composure, leading to unnecessary fouls; Thunder’s physical, disciplined approach wore them down.
  • “I thought San Antonio let their emotions get the best of them.” (Shannon, 25:19)
  • “If you OKC, this is what you playing for, hopefully we can wear his big ass down.” (Chad Johnson, 26:41)

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Playoff Resilience, Mental Game, and Leadership

• Thunder’s Composure Under Pressure:

  • Despite an early 0-15 deficit, OKC “didn’t blink,” rode their bench, and SGA took over after the first quarter.
  • “To be able to fight back ... down 15-nothing, bro. To be able to climb back in that game and Shay don't score in the first quarter. Fellas, come on, man.” (Chad Johnson, 28:50)

• Wemby’s Self-Critique and Growth:

  • Quotes from Wemby postgame reflect his leadership and self-accountability:
    • “It's my first playoffs. It's the first playoffs for many of us. Of course, there are going to be hard trials... now we're going to see what we're made of.” (Shannon quoting Wemby, 44:05)
    • “I need to be more of a team player.” (Wemby via Shannon, 44:05)
  • Panel agrees the supporting cast—not Wemby—is the real issue.
    • “He doing what he can do. ... Him being on the court makes them better because he draws so many eyes, so much attention.” (Shannon, 45:26)

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How OKC Was Built: Homegrown and Savvy Moves

• Sam Presti’s Vision:

  • Thunder rely on a core developed through drafts and timely trades.
    • “This team is homegrown ... They draft Chet, drafted all these guys... They get Caruso ... they basically gave him away.” (Shannon, 23:11-23:47)
    • “You got to give Sam Presti some credit.” (Chad Johnson, 24:19)

• Defensive Identity:

  • Team is always fielding 3+ plus defenders—Caruso, Wallace, Dort, Chet.
  • “They can guard out of the yin yang ... they'll never have less than three defenders on the court at any given time.” (Shannon, 24:03)

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The McCain Trade: Philly "Sold High" and Lost Big

• Detailed Debate About McCain’s Journey:
  • “Darryl Mori traded McCain. Morris said, I'm quite confident we're selling high on McCain. ...Three months later, he dropped 24 points in the Western Conference finals to lead the Thunder to a Games 3 victory.” (Shannon, 49:40)
  • Panel debates Philly’s logic—"it was a guard-heavy draft," but consensus is they gave up on McCain too early and got little in return.

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Bench Power & Modern NBA Parallels

• Parallels to Championship Benches:

  • Comparison to the Warriors’ dynastic bench and the Lakers' units of the past.
    • “Golden State bench was like that ... they just come out in waves.” (Shannon, 59:04)

• Winning on the Margins:

  • "If you got great bench players, those are guys who come in the game and they feel like they can start ... They play with their sense of urgency, they play with their confidence." (Chad Johnson, 53:31)

• Team Basketball and Quick Decisions:

  • The importance of basketball IQ, fast processing, and complementing stars.
    • "You need guys who make quick decision. It’s like a quarterback ... can he process things real quick?" (Chad Johnson, 54:54, Shannon, 55:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If I'm Shay ... everybody was a minus when it comes to plus minus. Except Shay. He was a plus 11. Everybody else was minus.” (Chad Johnson, 18:59)
• "You look at the moment, they're not in awe of it.” (Shannon Sharpe, 14:58)
• “When you play great defense, and then all of a sudden they get a rebound ... they knock a three down … That is so demoralizing. That's so debilitating.” (Shannon, 16:49)
• “Sam Presti ... went out and got McCain for a bag of chips and some donuts.” (Chad Johnson, 24:19)
• “If the devil ain't home, I drive through hell every day.” (Shannon, 30:20)
• “It's like on the Serengeti, the old and the injured get eaten first.” (Shannon, 33:01)

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Essential Timestamps

• Thunder Bench Impact, Historical Margin: (07:14–08:51)
• Breakdown of bench contributions: (09:06–10:35, 12:06–15:20)
• Wemby’s performance and Spurs flaws: (17:42–26:53, 44:05–47:52)
• Team construction, credit to Sam Presti: (23:11–24:19)
• Bench culture, McCain trade debate: (49:40–54:04)
• Quick decisions, basketball IQ analogy: (54:54–58:38)
• Player mentality, crowd noise, criticism: (73:11–75:57)
• Comparison to other dynasties’ benches: (59:04–59:41)
• Personal stories, football and basketball parallels: (61:21–65:48)

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Conclusion

This episode offers a deep-dive into what separates the Thunder and Spurs in this playoff matchup: depth, mentality, and system flexibility versus over-reliance on individual brilliance. The personalities of Shannon, Chad, and Joe ensure the analysis is never dull—mixing highlights, historical parallels, lessons in leadership, and locker-room anecdotes.
Whether you’re an OKC fan reveling in the win or a Spurs supporter looking for hope, the squad breaks down not just what happened, but why, and what it means for the series moving forward.

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[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And after game three. It's one. It's one. Hold up how you get. No, no, no, no, no, no. I was talking about it. Through three games, they've outscored. Hold on, how you outscored them over the first two. First two games by. And it's 30, 32, 34 and 32. That's only 66.

[Joe]

Okay, I see over there. Plus I see you over there. Little math major. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lord have mercy. Hey. Hey, Joe. You might need to come out of retirement to help. You might help the spurs out. They need some help. But anyway, the Oklahoma City bench have outscored the San Antonio second unit 107 to 28 through the first two games. It's pretty rare for the bench to outscore starters. The last time it was in Game 5 in 2022. Eastern Conference Final between the Heat and the Celtics Miami outscored their starters 45 to 18. And again tonight the Thunders bench outscored their starters. Remember who's in that starting lineup? The back to back mvp.

[Joe]

Yes sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The starters and the bench outscored those guys. Victor Wimanyama had one rebound in the second half of game three. Uh, the Thunder has six different players to record more second half rebounds than Wimby. Wimby had 26 points. He was perfect for the free throw line. Six or seventeen, two or four from the, the three point line. He didn't get much help from his, from his bench. They got no help. I mean all five starters within double figures. But that's not enough because they get out to this big lead, Joe. And then when they come in, when the Thunder bring they shock drop in, they take off and kick dust up in the eyes. And McCain had 24 points. Casey Wallace had 11 points. But it was Jalen Williams that got him off to the great start. He had four threes in the first half and that was really the difference in the ball game. He was 5 of 6 from the three point line. Alex Caruso is still shooting the lights out the out the gym from the three point line. He was three or five from the three point line. Jerry McCain got up 10 threes but he had 24 big points. Joe, is this series over?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not gonna say it's over. I just think, I think the Thunder took, took back command of this series. They got home court advantage back, fellas. They had to win on the road in order to, you know, survive this series. I think the most glaring thing for me, Uncle Ocho.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean you talk about next man up, bro. You know, you get your all star, Jalen Williams who's out, but then you get the big hog, another former Razorback, Jalen Williamson, the big Jalen Williamson. He come in the man go what he shot from the three. He shot five or six. Yeah, like I, I think what's underestimated about this, this Thunder team is how they've played a significant amount of time without a lot of their key guys throughout the season. And you have other guys who've just stepped right in, I'm talking about and filled that void and haven't blinked a damn eye, fellas, you know what I mean? Shay got off to a rough start. He didn't even score the first quarter. And hell then when you think about it, I thought they f to run them boys up at the gym.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

They was up what, 15 to like 2, 15 nothing. Oh man, I said oh Lord. Oh man. Th going to get ran up out the building. It looked, it looked very ugly to start, but once they subbed and you talking about McCain and Caruso and and and Wallace and and Williams came in the game, those guys changed the whole entire game, bro. They changed the whole game. And then, and then Shea settled in and next thing you know he was getting whatever he wanted to. He had 12 assists, 26 points. I just think OKC has been tried and tested over and over again, bro. This is what you call a championship win right here man. Championship win. Great win for them.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. You, you, you, you. You talk about how those guys come in and play because I think the thing is, is that them playing so much because Jalen William goes out now, you get a backup coming in, he's playing substantial minutes, you get Shay going out and you get a backup coming in, he's playing substantial minutes, you get check going out, you get a backup, you get Jalen Williams coming in, playing substantial minutes, you get Hardenstein going out, a backup comes in, he's playing substantial minutes, Dort might miss some time and you get a backup coming in. And so now when it's time for them to come in and play meaningful minutes in meaningful games, they're, they're unbothered by it.

[Chad Johnson]

We've done that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what we do.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just because you, you think there's more pressure because it's the playoffs, they still is still 12 minutes and a quarter. Ain't nothing changed. Yeah, we still got three officials.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Point line is still 22 in the corner and 25 at the top. If they don't, nothing change. And so when you go look at them and you look at the moment, they're not in awe of it.

[Chad Johnson]

They're not, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think the thing is, Joe, and. And I like the spurs, but I think the spurs are going to have to go through what OKC went through. You remember the OKC was favored to beat the Mavs.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When the Mavs shocked them.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They had to go through what they went through with the Mavs to get them where they are right now. And I believe the spurs are going to have to face a similar fate in order for them to get to ultimately where they need to be. Go ahead. What'd you like about what you saw tonight?

[Joe]

I mean, what I like about what I saw, obviously, in the beginning, I thought they were going to run him out the gym, you know, Joe, like you said. But obviously there were eight. They were eight lead changes in the first half. And once that second half got there, Unk and those young fellas coming off that goddamn bench were doing what they were getting to their spots, making those shots. I kind of knew the game was over, and there was really no chance because we weren't getting anything from the spurs bench. And it was too much pressure, you know, for. For the starting fire for the spurs to have to play well and also not just play well, but be efficient and try to match with those. With those not only bench players, but what the starters were doing for the Thunder as well, and that kind of set them back. You know, I. Me, obviously, you know, I did pick the spurs, you know, to. To. To win this series simply. Simply because of Wimby and him being the complete difference maker and me not really using my mind and thinking about the depth and the way the goddamn Thunder constructed and thinking about the time that Shea missed and then in the regular season, not missing the beat. And uncle, like you said, this moment, when players are coming in off the bench and getting quality minutes, ain't nobody scared of that moment. Damn, ain't nobody scared of moment. And you can tell by how efficient they. Not only coming off the bench and hitting shots. Look how goddamn efficient everybody is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, and that's the thing, when you

[Chad Johnson]

think about it, guys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, they played really well. The problem that they're getting is that when Wimby goes out, they lose so much steam. Coordinators giving them absolutely nothing. Think about how many offensive rebounds they got and then hit a three they miss a shot. You play great defense, and then all of a sudden, they get a rebound. They get a rebound. Okay, now they miss that shot, they get another rebound. Kick to Jayla Williams. He knock a three down. They make the shot. We play great defense, Joe, for 5 sec. For. For all the way down to 5 seconds on the shot clock. They took a take to take a tough shot. They get the rebound. They kicking the Caruso in the corner. He let off a three. That's so. That is so demoralizing. That's so debilitating to your team because we can't play any better defense. And the only thing, it doesn't matter how well you play defense, you don't really play defense until you secure the rebounds.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's when you. That's when defense is done.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Until then, nothing. Nothing has changed.

[Chad Johnson]

Look.

[Joe]

Look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's where they won the ball game. You look at McCain make big shot at the big shot. Caruso make big shot out the big. Caruso make big shot. And I think the singles. Biggest mistake that Rob Link has made, and he's made some for the Lakers, was letting Caruso out of the building. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think that is his single. That is his single greatest mistake that he's done. Because you had a three and D guy, a guy that you developed.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. A great glue guy. Great glue guys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Outstanding defense. He can play. He can go. He'll guard a point. He'll guard a two, he'll guard a three. Hell, throw him in there a couple of minutes on the floor to give him something. He's stronger than he looked. I know he looked frail. He looked thin, but he's stronger than he look.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's not afraid of the moment to take a big shot. He plays defense. Hey, he'll take a charge. He'll block a shot from behind. He's phenomenal. He's exactly what they needed. And when you look at this roster, you get a Jerry McCain, you got a Caruso coming off the bench. You got Wallace. Wallace, second team, all defense. Caruso could have been an all defensive player.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chad, second team, all defense.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lou Dork plays outstanding defense. Isaiah Joe comes in and he knocks down a shot.

[Chad Johnson]

Man. Listen, if I'm Shay, you. You look at the starters for okc, fellas. Everybody was a minus when it comes to plus minus. Except. Except Shay. He was a. He was a plus 11. Everybody else was minus.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You look at.

[Chad Johnson]

They bench, though. They bench plus 28, plus 26, plus 22. Bro, I don't know. I don't know if it's ever happened like this in the postseason. I mean, Jared McCain, I think that's a career high for him tonight, but. Yeah, but when you look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a career high for him also.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, but when you look at it, when you look at it, you're thinking to yourself, man, who gonna come along on the ride with me if you shade you like. Cause you really don't know. J Dub out. You wish you could get more. More scoring output from Homebridge, but you know, he's just not giving you that. And you get McCain come in, he act like he AI out there. I'm talking about getting to his spots, shooting the midi, Shooting A three, being disruptive him Caruso. While J Dub, man, I'm talking about. It was. It was such a special performance. I enjoy watching it because when you get down like that early in the game, you take they best blow. That was the best blow that San Antonio threw. They trying to get him out of there early. Them boys didn't blink, bro. They didn't blink. They stayed with it and was able to fight back in the game. And from after the first quarter, hell, they controlled the whole game, bro. They controlled the rest of the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, hunger made first team, all defense. Go ahead, Ojo.

[Joe]

You know. You know, I got a question, and y' all would be. Y' all would be well versed to be able to answer this. You think about the way the spurs are constructed, not only the five starters, but the way the bench is constructed and the way they're able to score, not miss a beat when some of their key players go out. Name another NBA team that has been constructed where the starters can go out and everyone else will still just be efficient and you don't miss a goddamn beat.

[Chad Johnson]

The spurs has been pretty good, you know, they just didn't. They bench just didn't have a great night tonight, you know, unfortunately. You know what I mean? I just think OKC understood, like, damn, we got to go down here and get at least one. It'll be great if we can. If we can win game three, you know. Now try and be a little greedy. Get game four. See if you can go and get these boys out of here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when we go back home.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I just thought. I thought they were so poised, especially in their second half, coming down the stretch. You can't really. It's like, you know, you. You watch the Knicks. Knicks and the Cav series, you can kind of seek, okay, you come set this pick Let me get this mismatch. It ain't no damn mismatch. They ain't really got a whole hell of a lot of mismatches. Because Vasil can guard, Champion can guard. Hell, Fox can go. They all can guard. You just trying to put them in a hucklebuck to where they can mess up, make the wrong. Make the wrong decision, and y' all can get something easy for. I thought he started using his guys around him to the tee. Meaning McCain and castle. I mean, not Castle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Caruso.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I thought he started using those guys to the T, which is why he had 12 assists. Man, it was just a hell of a performance, bro. Yeah.

[Joe]

But. But hold on, Joe. Hold on now. I'm saying the way they're constructed, the way the Thunder is constructed, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe]

There are not very many teams where some of your key players go out and the bench comes in, and those that are playing that don't start, that get quality minutes come in and be this goddamn efficient. Everything isn't built like this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like saying where they. Very many players like Shade. No, they're not. But look at Dylan Harper that comes off the spurs bench.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is he not good? Yeah. Kelvin Johnson that comes out that bench. Cornette, in the regular season and even in the postseason has been better. He's minus 37 and 33 minutes in the postseason.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he. He's underperformed where these guys were.

[Chad Johnson]

The.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Thunder have performed or over performed what we're used to seeing them. So that is the difference. You got one team that's underperforming, you got another team that's. The bench is really good, but that's overperforming because if you look at what they're doing to the starters, they got 77 points from their bench. Their bench outscored the starters.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, that's. That's what I was asking. The way. The way that Thunder constructed. Has there been many teams that are constructed like this, where you don't miss a beat when you go to your bench?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you really don't know what you have.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Until you get in there. You try to put. You try to put pieces together. They. What they've done is done a great job. This team is homegrown with. Except, okay, they trade for Shay early, but look at. They drafted Chad. They drafted all these guys that they got. Yeah. They get Hardenstein on. They get Caruso. Chicago was having a fire sale. They basically gave him Caruso. Phillies like, we got edge, we got Maxi. We got Paul George. We don't need a fourth guard. They basically give him away.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so now you. What you've done is that you've made a team that was already strong. You made them stronger.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because defensively they can guard out of the yin yang. You look at Caruso, you look at Wallace, you look at Dort, you look at Chet. So you got guys. So you think about it, when you see them on the court, they'll never have less than three defenders on the court at any given time.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nevertheless, hey, a lot of times you'll see it with three defenders. Shay and a big. Sometimes it's chat, sometimes it's Hardenstein.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they're gonna have three guys and they can switch everything.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what makes them so unique.

[Chad Johnson]

And you got. And you got to give Sam Presti some credit, fellas. Like, Unc said, hell, he went out there and got Caruso. You went out there and got McCain for a bag of chips and some donuts. It's like, bro. How, how. I mean, McCain, I think the aggressive, the. The aggressiveness that McCain plays with, bro. You know, he understood the assignment, Uncle Ocho. Meaning, damn, we need a second score tonight. You know, we need somebody to be aggressive because there's so much attention on Shay. And, and as bad as we want Shay to get loose and break out and have One of these 35, 40 point games, San Antonio too damn good for that. I'm gonna just be honest. He had 30 that last game, had 26 tonight. But if they get contribution from these other guys to where they can play above and beyond, like tonight, I'm not saying it's going to happen every night. Maybe, maybe, maybe. OKC bench gets outplayed in Game 4 by San Antonio bench. But tonight their bench won them this game, bro. They bench won them this game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I also thought, oh, Joe. And Joe, I thought San Antonio let their emotions get the best of them. Yeah, you see, you see what happened? Because Caruso, they're talk. I'm not giving you no layups. No, I'm gonna find you go to the free throw line. You're gonna make it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Breakaway castle was getting upset.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see, they thought, he's like, no, no, no, you're not getting no layup, you're not getting no breakaway, you're not getting no dunk. You're not gonna get this crowd ride up riled up. Take your ass to the free throw line and make them. Yeah, I thought they're messaging. You see, they got some ticket tack files. You pick Up a file in the backcourt, and then you get another foul. They picked up three files in the first half, Joe, in a matter of 20 seconds.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Three fouls.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now guess what? You got them going to the free throw line. You know, Shay, he gonna pump fake you. You gonna get up, and then he gonna jump into you. Now you go to the free throw line, you look at it officially like, what? No, you fouled it.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They did the same thing in the second half. And then I thought their emotion. They let their emotions get the best of them. Yeah, they're doing a great job. Whatever they decide to say, you know, look, Wimby is an outstanding player, but 24 rebounds? They got a body on him every time. That's why you only got four rebounds. It's not his lack of effort. Yeah, go look at him when the ball goes up and see. Want somebody find Wimby.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It might be Caruso, it might be Wallace. It might be Shea. It might be Chet. It might be Hardenstein, but they're putting a body on him. Yeah, ain't no free runs to the basketball, bro. Sorry.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah. Hey, hey. And as a series go, if you okc, this is what you playing for, hopefully we can wear his big ass down. Yeah, he may give us 25, 26 points, but we got elite.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He.

[Chad Johnson]

He only had two blocks tonight. Obviously, he's still altering shots. But the non Wimby menace, unc, that you talking about, hell, he played 39 minutes tonight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

39.

[Chad Johnson]

Would you want to play 48? He got to come off the court.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got to come up. But see, I thought. Where I thought Ocho Joe, is that he came out of the game in five with five minutes. Five minutes. So basically, 704 on the clock. They put Cornett in. By the time he come back in, they only down four points.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And now I'll give you everything I got, Ojo, you know what I'm saying? We got three. We got two first. We got a Ocho done going off. Ocho got 105, two touchdowns. Corey Dylan rushed for 84 yards. He got two touchdowns. Like, oh, you look up at the Scott like, damn, we only have three points. We done did all that. We only have three points, right? Think about it. As well as they played in the first quarter, hitting everything, crowd going electric. You look up at the clock, damn, we only have three.

[Chad Johnson]

After all of that, after 15, nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now. So what did that do to you mentally? We gave you everything we had. Hey, we oughta be there. You know what I'm saying? You get. Hey, you.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm a power drive.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Trampoline.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And next thing you know, when you ready to go again. Ain't nobody going anywhere but to the ER. Cause if I do anything before 7:30 tomorrow morning, I'm going to the ER, so leave me alone.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so that's what happened to San Antonio. They gave everything they had.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay. What about the second quarter?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, man. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know to tell you. And you look at this, the way they built this team.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gonna be good for a minute.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, I was impressed, bro. I was impressed because to be able to fight back in like that, on the road in that hostile environment, down 15, nothing, bro. To be able to climb back in that game and Shay don't score in the first quarter. Fellas, come on, man. Come on. I'm. Keep it real. I'm like, damn. Okay. See, in trouble tonight. They in trouble. But you had guys step up and play big, bro. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, in game one, Cornette played nine minutes. He was minus nine, he played 10 minutes. Game two, he was minus 10. He played six minutes tonight, he's minus 18.

[Chad Johnson]

Cornette.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cornet.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Game one, he played nine minutes, minus nine. Game two, 10 minutes, minus 10. Game three, play six minutes. Joe minus 18. It's a wrong direction.

[Chad Johnson]

It said he played 12 minutes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, that's too many. That's 12 too many.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's too many.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Commercial Voice]

He.

[Chad Johnson]

He not he non existence. You know what I mean? He, he don't. He don't clog up the paint. How Wimby does. Like when we be down there, it's like they're a little reluctant to even go to the cup, you know, you see a lot of them guys shooting midi, shooting floaters, things of that sort.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Chad Johnson]

They won't Wimby off the damn floor, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do. Yes, absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

If we ain't in the game, I don't have to second guess none of my decision making. Let's get right to it. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, bro, they look at Wimby like the devil. Well, if the devil ain't home. I drive through hell every day.

[Joe]

Every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. Oh, Joe, Joe, he ain't home. Yeah, yeah, but I care about going to courtnet, right, man? Hey, the joke going out of the lane like this. Here in the lane.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Ass. And, and you gotta look at some Hardenstein and big Jalen Williams. They two totally different bigs, you know, they both play hard J Dub, Big J Dub, he gonna take charges. He ain't no, you know, fly. He ain't gonna be blocking no shots. But, man, you talking about somebody who can stretch the floor and make the defense. Be honest. That's what J Dub does, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta play him on his. Joe, you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause he. He ain't. Look, he ain't going down there. No. He ain't going past the three point line.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So if we. So basically you like. I don't want women to guard him because he ain't gonna come down there and win me. Ain't gonna be no factor at the top of the kill sitting in the damn corner, Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then you go to hell. And everybody knows the guy. When he's on the court, the guy is going to help off of him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he. And guess what? He just gonna sit out there with his feet set.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And let it fly.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, he did his job tonight. Hey, the. The bench mob won them this game. Now we'll see what type of adjustment San Antonio made.

[Joe]

But hell, man, I. I hope they make them, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

What. What kind of adjustment you think they gonna make, Ocho? I mean, I don't know what the hell they could do, honestly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean.

[Joe]

I mean, what else can you do outside. Outside of your starting five and those who are scores. Castle, you know, being a little more efficient. He was very well tonight. Uncle ain't had no turnovers. Cast ain't having a turnover. Now back he went out again. He hurt his ankle again. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure what that's going. But that's going to look like. But obviously you want. When some of your starters go out and they got to get a little breather. You want some more from your bench, Joe? My bench got my bench. Got to give me something. Because if the game. If the damn Thunder bench playing the way they playing, I mean, you got the match Imano for your mano. If they do. If the bench is playing that well, somebody gotta give me something.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, man, you gotta look at it. If Dylan Harper is hurt and he banged up and he can't give you that 100%. Hell, OKC got thoroughbreds in that second unit, bro. Ain't nothing wrong with them boys. They could do everything. They can guard, they can shoot the three, they can playmate. They got everything, though. They got everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the thing is, when you get. Once you get to this point and the Thunder said, we not gonna let you half ass come out here and think you're gonna do anything, right? We're going to attack you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like on the Serengeti, the old and the injured get eaten first.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm coming at you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All they do is start. Okay. With the fact. Oh, you young. I got you. He injured, Paul. He limping. They look at it. Hey, they looking at Dylan Harper, they're looking at Fox. They injured.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I'm with that.

[Joe]

You know what? Even even though the game looked tonight and it was in, it was in, it was in a Thunder favor, I still got the Spurs. I still got the spurs going to seven. This ain't nothing, but hey, this ain't number the goddamn 12 round boxing match, you know? And right now, round three, the Thunder got round three, we gonna let him have that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey. I don't expect you to switch up, bro. I expect for you to stick with your gun, you know what I mean?

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, listen, I ain't been wrong all playoff long, Joe. It's just, just a minor setback. That's it.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy. Stop.

[Joe]

I'm feeling good tonight, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just. And you know, Fox, he hurt that. He hurt that ankle again, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Unc. He got about 37 braces on his damn shoes, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. He wearing them damn under armours. You see Steph Curry then got out them damn. Hell yeah, he wearing them too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But get up out them bricks. Hey, hey. I understand that they pay you some money but what good is that? Yeah, you staying injured in them bricks.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey. Cause he looked good, boy, when he came out to shoot to start the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you see, I can't quit that joke.

[Joe]

You can move, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

He's twitchy so fast ain't nothing. You can't even get there fast enough.

[Joe]

Hey, he twitchy, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And cut the light off and be in bed before it get dark. Joke. I saw it. Man, that's bad. I don't know what it is with a joker left handed. And if he got. If he left handed and quick. Boy, you got hell on your hands.

[Chad Johnson]

Ooh wee.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought it's just something. It's just something about a left handed guy, period. Whether it's a pitcher, whether it's a bowler. You know what I'm saying? Ocho, a quarter. Whatever it is. It's just something about a left handed guy.

[Joe]

It looked different.

[Chad Johnson]

It seemed like they got an advantage, don't a man, they do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tennis players.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The way they, the way they can spin the ball. You look at, you look at Nadal, you look at who's left handed for women. Martina Nava Talova.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You look at kiddo. I mean, it's just something about. It's just something about. Oh, go around. Even Niecevich was lefty.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's just something about left handed pictures. Look at the big unit, man, when that joker stand up on that mile six, ten and a half and he throwing that thing and his arm out here coming from first base.

[Chad Johnson]

Bing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's just some. Oh, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Great game though. Great game. It was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know, sometimes, Joe, I can give you. I can get. You can give somebody everything you got and it's just not.

[Joe]

Not enough.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. And that might be the case. We'll see. Like you said, they're going to be adjustments. You see, the last two games, what the adjustment was, what they were for. The Thunder make sure we get the bot. The ball goes up for the spurs, make sure we find some. I don't care who. Find Wimby and put a body on him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it's. It's a. And OKC need check to step up in game four. Because if I'm the Spurs, probably the adjustments I'm gonna try and make is to try to calm some of these role players down that's coming off the bench. The McCain's, the Carusos, the Wallace, Jay. I mean, I don't know what type of defense you're gonna put on Big J Dub, because he always gonna pick and pop and he always gonna be out there at the three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So they got some. The role.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just play him to pop.

[Chad Johnson]

So you. Hey, look, they got some real decisions to make. Because they do. You know, when you guard Hardenstein, you don't really have to worry about all that. You just have to worry about his hustle, his. His hard working, you know what I mean? Getting second chance opportunities, things of that sort. But J Dub just brings a different element to the game. They bench bring a different element to the game because they play so hard defensively. They fuel off turnovers. And you let them get going and you let them make a shot or two. You see what happened tonight. They'll run them off on you.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. And that's. And that's what happens, Joe. I mean, and you know, the thing is, confidence is everything. It's more. Man, you. Hey, oh, let me let. I tell you what. You let me catch two or three pass on that first drive. In fact, y' all gonna be able to do anything with me the rest of the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Not at all. Not. Not. Not a chance in hell.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mean to tell me we just had a 10 play drive and I got three passes today? Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. Hello.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, hello. Yeah, listen, listen, because all your focus is on Shay. You ain't expecting McCain to come in and drop and get down like that. Yeah, you know, Caruso, he gonna be solid and effective. You ain't expecting J Dub to come in and play the way he played, bro. Yeah, you can't. You know what I mean? So now that you may lock in on those guys, you're gonna need your star players to step up, bro. Hey, they need. Check. I. I've always said, since they won, I said, man, listen, the OKC Thunder can be a dynasty, but Chick has to come along and be Shay's co star. He has to. Okay, Ocho, they need. They need him, bro. They need him so bad, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the problem is, even when Chad don't give you anything, think about it. Check gave you 14. You had Jayla Williams. Caruso and McCain have more points than him.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they play less minutes.

[Chad Johnson]

And how they shoot. How they shoot more damn shots than him. That's what I'm saying. Like, he. I. I think there are opportunities where he can be aggressive, but he just kind of getting it within the floor of the game. He ain't forcing nothing. He just kind of letting it come to him. But there are gonna be times, bro, they gonna need him to. To force the action a little Bit

[Shannon Sharpe]

if, if a Wim beguarding you, you shooting?

[Joe]

Nope.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I've turned into a cell magic jostler. He ain't gonna throw my stuff up in the stairs.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you're gonna have to outwork his big ass or something. But you got me seven shots in 28 minutes. Come on man. This, this out this my co star. I mean I've heard Shay Ren rave about him. How they've been this championship caliber team since they've acquired, you know, Homer since they drafted him. Yeah. So I know they looking, they looking for him to step up man and have one of Those big games 2512. I'm. I'm looking for that. He gon had that in game four,

[Joe]

you know happened game four, it might happen game five, but game four is us though. Spurs gonna make the property, you know, the necessary adjustments. Them boys coming off the bench, I mean the chance of them playing like that again, I mean it's not likely. They might give you something but ain't gonna look like it looked tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know. Oh I don't know man. That's why I said, you know we talked about what it will look like coming to game three. We, we said the start of the game gonna determine what we were thinking about the refs. We think that San Antonio was coming out guns ablazing 15 0. But the wrestling had nothing to do with this fellas. This is all want to

[Shannon Sharpe]

be on facing the deficit for the first time this playoffs. It's my first playoffs. It's the first playoffs for many of us. Of course there are going to be hard trials, you know it is to be expected but now we're going to see what we're made of. They're. They're being physical that the difference maybe with this team is their experience but they're being more, more smart about it. But we just have to find answers. There's no place for frustration. It's annoying of course but we got to use that energy. When we later said I feel like I have trouble making my teammates better right now. I need to be more of a team player, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I mean they ain't really. They ain't collect. I mean they ain't collapsing that hard. What are they, what they doing? What they doing is they trying to stay home with the shooters. But hell, Versaille had 20, you know, champagne. I thought he played great. You know he made some shots. Castle went one for eight. I think that kind of hurt him, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I did too.

[Chad Johnson]

And I think the thing that you have with Castle is if he has a ball in his hands, Uncle Ocho, he can kind of find more of a rhythm. I know he turnover prone, but when he. When he playing that two spot, you know, he don't get to handle as much. I don't really think he hadn't been that. That effective. You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So I think he has to figure out his happy medium in that way. But I don't think Wimby has to, you know, put too much on himself. Hell, he doing what he can do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. I mean, hey, bro, you gave us 26 tonight. You shooting 50 from the floor. You was aggressive. Because he got it to the free throw line 10 times. Castle got to the line 14 times. They shot 33 free throws. They turned the ball over 15 times. They probably need to be down there somewhere around eight or nine, but I don't really know because in order. He makes them better just by him being on the court, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. That's it, Ocho. That's it. Him being on the court makes them better because he draws so many eyes, so much attention.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but you look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You look.

[Chad Johnson]

You look. In that Minnesota series, though, when Castle played great, they. They hard to beat, fellas. Yes, they hard to beat. I'm talking about when he. When he doing a little bit of everything. It's hard to beat him. Even in okc, them first couple games, yeah, they weren't getting blown out. You know, they won. They won one and lost one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I just think with him being, you know, one for eight, it's gonna be. It's gonna be hard for them to win because women gonna give you. He gonna give you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Women gonna get what women's gonna get.

[Chad Johnson]

Now if he get 40 something. If he get 40 and 20, hell, it's gonna be hard to beat him. Them. But you can live with this. 26, 27, 28, and, you know, a few rebounds, you know, a few assists, and you keep the rest of these guys at bay. You got a great chance of winning, bro. I think what we have to remember is now OKC a hell of a defensive team, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, I know Wimby got out on him in that one game where

[Shannon Sharpe]

he had 40, 41, 42, 41, 41, and 21.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. But outside of that, you know, they. They're hella.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, he. I mean, what's with me averaging? It wouldn't be. Oh, Joe, we'll be probably averaging 32

[Chad Johnson]

and 13 in this series. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, at least 32 and 10. I mean, 32 and 10.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had 41. I think he had 27 the last game. He got 26 in this game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he. In 33, 34 points a game.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably averaging nine, 10 rebounds a game. He's probably averaging three blocks a game. He's never going to be an assist guy. That's not what he is. We understand. Understand that, but damn, he gonna need somebody to come along with him. Just like, shape. Go look at the Lakers. Shay really had one outstanding game. That was the last game. Yeah, but the other three games, he had a lot of guys coming along with him and was aiding him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what Wimby is going to need.

[Joe]

You know what? I. I like what he said, Uncle Joe. That's what you want to hear from your goddamn leader after a game like that. We gonna see what we made of, and I need to be able to do more. There's really no. There's really not much more he can do himself.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, and just.

[Joe]

Just. Just like Unc said, Joe. But everybody else got to show up to the party.

[Chad Johnson]

They do.

[Joe]

When we got his ticket into the party, y' all gotta. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

29 and 15.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he's shooting over 50%.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, okay, see, I mean, look at OKC starters, bro. They just. They ain't played. They ain't play worth nothing tonight. I'm just gonna keep it real. I mean, you look at A.J. mitchell.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, what Lou Dork gave you tonight, Joe boy?

[Chad Johnson]

Donut in 23 minutes. But, you know, they really. I. It really don't surprise me, Ocho, because he ain't gonna do a whole hell of a lot of scoring, you know. He's gonna play, huh?

[Joe]

Except on defense.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. He gonna play hard defensively, you know, be disruptive. So this. That donut don't really surprise me. I think when you look at it, you see how great AJ Mitchell was against the damn Lakers. It's just a different story, bro. Against the spurs, man, because they defeated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not looking at. I mean, look at him, like, boy, that's. Hey, he looked like James Harden in his prime. Against the Lakers. The man had fight. The man had two points tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he ain't really got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you got to be really. I mean, you got to be really good to shake these guys, because everybody can defend.

[Chad Johnson]

Everybody. Everybody, bro. It don't matter who you sit that damn pick with. They gonna sit down, they gonna switch it, and they gonna guard and that's what I love about the spurs, bro. I, I, I love how they play. I, I love their togetherness, the grittiness. And they gonna be a scary team in years to come. But OKC still got some work to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Going Back to Jerry McCain. Darryl Mori traded McCain. Morris said, I'm quite confident we're selling high on McCain. Obviously, time will tell. Three months later, he dropped 24 points in the Western Conference finals to lead the Thunder to a Games 3 victory. McCain has scored more points in the conference finals than the last six 76ers lottery picks combined. Did the 76ers make a mistake? I'll go to you first, Joe, and then you, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

I think it was a blessing in disguise for McCain to get hurt because by him getting hurt, Uncle Ocho, obviously, you know, they drafted Edgecombe. He comes in on fire. Young phenom. You thinking. I ain't gonna lie. Hell, I probably would have traded McCain ass too. You know what I mean? Just to keep it 100, you know? Yeah, I just, I'm gonna be honest. I ain't really see this. I know he had, he had a, he had a great spurt his rookie year with Philly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Joe, Joe. Wasn't that enough? I mean, that wasn't enough to show you, Joe, that like, hey, this kid, this kid pretty good.

[Chad Johnson]

But damn, look at all the guards. We got Maxi Edgecomb, we got Grimes, we got, we got out. We ain't really got no we. Where you gonna play it, Maxi? Playing 40 minutes a night.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My thing was, Joe, based on what I had seen. I'm not. But I guess because it was so guard heavy, you had Ace Bailey and you had Dylan Harper and you had all these guys, Edgecombe coming out. And so I guess it really didn't give you a whole lot of choice because it was the top of the draft. Was so guard heavy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you had to take a guard. So in that aspect, I can, I can see what you, I, I, I, I agree with you because I understand who's the. Okay. Got Cool. Yeah. It had been great if somebody would have been dumb enough to pass on Cooper flag and you could take Cooper flag, but nobody was gonna be that dumb.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah.

[Joe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now you got Edgecombe, now you got Dylan Harper, now you got Ace Bailey. Look at the next. Basically the next four or five selections were guard.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Philly, Philly was in what we call a hucklebug. They had to, they had to. I just felt, hell, they ain't getting nothing back from him, though. They didn't. They just traded him for real. Talk like two bags of chips. They ain't getting nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And you know, you know when that happened, Uncle Joe? When they traded us up for bag of chips, they don't really value. They don't really think you are who you may think you are. Then you got to come out. You got to come out and play like this.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. You, you, you have to come out electric. You have to come out determined because you like, damn, they gave up on me. Hold on. I'm gonna show them. I'm gonna show them where they messed up at. And he's played like that. You can, you can tell in his interviews when he talked. Yeah. He's even said things about, you know, being in Philly, you know, he gonna make them pay. He gonna make him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I mean? That's what you should do.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. They. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was. Hey, when she shot that shot in game two, he was like, hey, Shay, Shay. He called him by Dave, I'm in the middle of the shot.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah,

[Chad Johnson]

hey. Hey, Shay was looking for his ass tonight, though. I tell you that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, sure was. But I told you, Joe, the Lakers had that lead in the fourth quarter and dude came in and hit two big threes and then one, he hit one hard style. Maybe it was Hardenstein or Chet had set a pick behind the three point line.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he just turned and let it. I was like, I was like, yeah, it ain't looking good for us. Because I say if a bench player comes out, if Shea hits that shot, I ain't giving him a second thought. I was like, oh, that's Shay. Yeah, but you talk about a bench player coming off and hitting a 25, 26 foot 3 off a pick and just lets it.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I think when you got, when you got great bench players, those are guys who come in the game and they feel like they can start or should be starting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

So they play with their sense of urgency, they play with their confidence. It's oozing out of them. You can tell. They look comfortable out there on the court. I mean, McCain, great in the pick and roll, getting into the teeth of the defense, shooting his floater, shooting his midi. He plays well off Shay. Cause he's a catch and shoot guy.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And he, and he, and he's tough minded defensively, bro. Like, he has all the makeup of being a hell of a. Hell of a player in this league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And see, that's what. When you Got a guy like that, a guy that's a great one on one player, he need guys that can catch and shoot.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys that can catch and shoot. LeBron want guys that can catch.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Harden wanted guys that can catch and shoot, Steph. That's why he and Clay works so well.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And when they got Kevin Durant. So now you got three of the all time great shooters. I wish you would help off either one of them and see what happened to you.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely, absolutely. Because. Go ahead, Ojo.

[Joe]

Now, I was gonna say, you could tell coach and his teammates also believe in him and gave him that green light.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He shot 21 times.

[Joe]

21 times tonight Shay only shot 17. So you know that he got the green light from somebody. Once you get in there, man, do what you do. Don't even think about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, you have to be a great complimentary piece, bro. When you got a star player who demands so much attention like Shay, you need these other guys around them who are not indecisive on what they gonna do offensively, whether they shooting or driving to the basket. You need guys who make quick decision. It's like a quarterback. Uncle Ocho, hell, when he dropped back, can he, can he process things real quick, you know what I mean? Versus holding on to that damn ball three, four seconds.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Number one thing, Joe, huh? That's the number one thing a quarterback gotta have.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that measurable. He's six' five, he can run four, two, don't mean nothing, 100 yards. I don't give a damn about none of that. How quickly can he process information?

[Chad Johnson]

There you go. They, hey, hey. That's the same thing for, for intelligent Hooper, for a great Hooper. It's how fast can he process what it is that's gonna happen. Because you don't really have predetermined moves. You run a pick and roll. Hell, you don't know what's gonna be open, you know what I mean? But within a split second, you have to be able to make a precise decision on what it is you want to do. I'm gonna get a teaser the defense. I'm gonna shoot this jump, I'm gonna shoot this midi. I see my bed coming. I see the corner, the, the, the, the corner pass open way on, on the weak side, you know what I mean? Like those are all reads that a point guard or that a guard, period has to have in this game. And I feel like even when Shay comes off the court and McCain is at the one and he's running at the Helm. And he looked like a damn starter at times, bro. Yeah, he does.

[Joe]

That's funny. You know what, Joe? And it would makes it. What makes it different. Now, I. I can't really explain it in basketball term, but I can explain in terms of football. Like uncle was saying, it's really important if you have someone that can read and react. It's all about reading and react.

[Chad Johnson]

There you go.

[Joe]

And being able to improvise. Now, you know what's supposed to happen when you run a certain play, but being able to improvise when something that you don't expect happens, and being able to redirect and make those decisions really, really fast, no matter what, with no hesitation, people. Great.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because Ocho, we call plays based on what we think they're going to run. Yeah. Now what happens if they don't run the defense that we think we going to get?

[Joe]

Ocho, you got to be able to adjust quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you gonna do? I know we expected. I understand. We expect them to go single house safety.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they run quarters, not what you gonna do. Or they run quarter seven. They run cover five. Two. Cover two. Man under. Oh, they run cover six. And they kick it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Quarter, quarter, half. And they kick once. The front side. Yeah.

[Joe]

Goddamn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now what do you do? How soon can you process that information? From the time I know I'm supposed to go, damn it, thing, get by your third step. The great quarterback that already processes. This is not what I anticipated. Now what did I go through? Where am I supposed to go? Cause they already done took one away. The coverage took one away. The sooner you understand that they've taken one away. And now one. I'm going, now he's one. Ocho's. TJ was one to begin with.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now Ocho's one.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The tight ends too back. Here you go.

[Chad Johnson]

And you gotta be as a point

[Shannon Sharpe]

guard like you said, Joe. Are they gonna trap me? They're gonna bless me? Is he gonna show? Is he hatching? What's he gonna do?

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I gotta. But I can't be thinking about that.

[Chad Johnson]

Hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got to see it. It's really good. Ones can tell before it even happens.

[Chad Johnson]

It happens. Yeah, they. They see plays and they see them unfold and develop in real time. Meaning, you know, it's not a lot of guys who can read and react, Ocho, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a. That's an attribute that a lot of the greats have, bro. To be able to do that on the fly. Like that especially when you got teams mixing up their coverages. Sometimes they trapping, you know, sometimes they. The.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The.

[Chad Johnson]

The. The big is in a He. In a low stance. Like, you have to read and react and be able to process all these things. And I think obviously OKC has that. Just. Just a true, true championship team, bro, from top to bottom. I mean, I don't know who else outside of the spurs, really, who has a bench like this who can come in and change the entirety of a game, bro.

[Joe]

Nope, ain't Nana.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, Golden State bench was like that. When they bring into Edward Dollar, they bring Livingston and they had Leandro Barbosa and they had all those guys and they just keep. They just come out in waves. And like I said, we saw this with the Lakers. They were down five points. Shay goes to the bench. When he checks back in there, up nine.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, we see this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gets in file trouble, okay? And guys look at it as an opportunity. This is our opportunity to show. Because I keep telling guys all the time, you're not only trying to impress your teammates, you're trying to impress other general managers.

[Chad Johnson]

There you go. There you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because, you know, OKC ain't the only one that got a payroll.

[Chad Johnson]

There you go, there you go. There you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys need to understand that I just. And. And everybody doesn't have basketball iq. Joe Ocho, we know that. You ask a guy, bro, why you, man? I thought. What you mean, you thought? So how long you think the quarterback got? You think this seven on seven, that he can sit back there and just pat the ball like this here and let you run whatever route you want to run, right? Oh, so we had a guy one time. I ain't gonna call his name, but we had a guy. We going playing one. We doing one on one.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what he asked the coach? He asked the coach, what, you want me to run a man or a zone route? It's one on one. What you mean, a man or a zone route? I said, oh, don't put that. Hey, don't put that man on the field with me. He literally asked. The coach is one on one, the guy, you and the DB sitting right here. What, you want me to run a man or his own route?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, but you wonder why. And. And people and. And. And like, when you around it and you listen to guys talk and they be in the game, it's like, okay, what you see? Okay, what happened to you? Yeah, coach him up. No, no, no, no, no, no. I ain't coaching Issue if he spend time, if he get off his phone, and every break we get, he run to the truck.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To get on the damn phone.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get your damn playbook.

[Joe]

It's a. It's the thinking man's game, Uncle Joe, regardless of what sports you playing, whether it's hockey, whether it's baseball, whether it's. Whether. Whether it's. Is it soccer? It's a thinking man's game.

[Chad Johnson]

I. I think. My bad, Ocho. I think. I think it's more of a read and react game. Meaning. Meaning, like in basketball, you can't have predetermined, you know, decision making, bro. You know, you. You have to be decisive of what it is the defense is doing. You have to read and react off the defense. Okay. Damn. Okay. We come down, they in the damn zone. Well, we had to run a zone offense, so we had to do something to get them out of that zone. If they ain't man to man, obviously, you know, pick and roll or, you know, run down picks or we run a flex, you know, some. Some to kind of loosen up the defense, but it's hard to play. I will figure. I mean, I only play basketball to be able to play any other sport, and you going out there predetermined on what it is you already want to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

Have to read and react of what the defense is doing. You know what I mean? Basketball, that's essential.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because the thing is, Joe, coach would have to say was 84. Why'd you do that? I say because when you drew it up on the blackboard, that guy didn't move at all. I promise you, I'd rather read it just like you drew it up how you explained us to do it in practice and it walked through. Yeah, I did it like that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it just so happened that mofo moved.

[Joe]

I love. I love. I love doing that. Hey, Uncle Joe, you know, you come out that huddle, they call it play. Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You know, let's say, just for instance, for. For hypothetical sake, I got a curl route.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe]

I. Coming out that goddamn huddle, I have in my mind on how I want to run that curl. I'm already playing it in my head coming out the huddle. Now, once I line up, based on how you play me, Uncle, I got about three or four ways I can run that goddamn curl. Yeah, let me take that down to three. Let me take it three different ways. You know, if he's off, if he's head up, if he's outside, if he's Inside, I got ways to run it. Now, when that ball snap, if he happened to move or they happen to rotate, then I got to be able to think on the fly, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir. I can't hesitate.

[Joe]

My quarterback got two seconds.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

Facts, facts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then like, hey, man, you a little short on that. Did you see the last four plays? Carson got hit in the back of his damn head. I could keep going. I could get to 12. But cars gonna be looking out of their hole when you throw it, bro. I want. Trust me, I want to get the depth. But I don't know if you notice, our offensive line ain't doing a good job of picking them up right now.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So everything need to time up. When his back foot hit, I need to be coming out the break.

[Joe]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But also, I don't need to be coming out the break before he. Before he ready to throw the ball. Cause all I did. Because if I'm open and he's not ready to throw, by the time he's ready to throw, I'm covered.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't no good.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah. Look, think about this. In basketball, you get 24 second shot clock. So if you in ball, the bot. The in ball, inbound the ball, and you bring it up, let's say you got 16 seconds left on the shot clock. Well, damn, we got to run our offense within 16 seconds and get a good damn shot. You know, I. I think when you've done it for so long, it's just second nature to you. But when you first get into it, bro, and you. And you trying to learn a new system, and you got new guys, you dealing with that damn clock, get down to five seconds real quick, you know what I mean? And you need guys who can get in a bag and really get to it. And those are the special ones, bro. Those are special. OkC got them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's what OkC has.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

O.C. okC got guys. They're great system guys. But if the system breaks down, they got guys that can go get a bucket.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's what you gotta have at the end of the day. Yeah. I want to have a system. And the system is the triangle free floor and all this. But at the end of the day, it had Michael and it had Kobe.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It had two guys that I could throw the system out the damn window.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they can go make a play.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Because if the system don't work and you got three, four seconds on that damn clock, you need a guy Who. Who don't panic in those situations and can still get to the money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And people. Oh, I love the west coast system. I spent the better part of my. But look at the quarterback that's been in the west coast system. And you tell me if they played a role. Joe Montana, Steve Young, John Elway, Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers. Are they any good? What about. What about Matthew Stafford?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He any good?

[Joe]

Great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I. I get the west coast system. It's fine. Lovely.

[Chad Johnson]

It is, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

1, 2, 3. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. 1, 2, 3,4, 5, 6. Ball. The. The ball's out of your damn hand. We got something short. We got a shallow cross. We got the back running a wheel route. We got the tight end on the short cross. Hey, we got oo on. On 10, roll to 12. We got somebody on the backside. We got all that. We got it covered.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you look at the quarterbacks that's been in that system.

[Chad Johnson]

If you're a receiver, you love that west coast, huh?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Montana was starting Montana. Then you had Steve Young.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then Mike brought up the John Elway, Brett Favre, Mike Holmgren took it up to Green Bay with Brett Favreau that he left. And then you had Sherm, Mike Sherman, and then you had. What's the guy's name? Mike McCarthy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers in that system. Guess who else in that system? Patrick Mahomes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guess who else in that system? Matthew Stafford. Donovan Mitchell. Jordan Love.

[Joe]

Hey. Hey, Joe. I ain't never had an opportunity to play in that, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

You ain't playing the West Coast?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah.

[Chad Johnson]

What you playing in Ojo?

[Joe]

Shoot, what that was. I'm just traditional, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Traditional?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. They done cheated, my boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They cheated.

[Joe]

They ain't cheating, Joe. I was out there getting to. I was out there getting to the chicken joke.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I was getting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, so it's just. Man, it's just. It might be a situation where sometimes the guy just too damn good.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's okay to say. That's okay to say. And it might be a situation. We'll see. The spurs got to bring everything they got to throw everything they got at them.

[Chad Johnson]

They gonna have to play harder, man. You know, I. I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And smarter.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. It's cliche, but I just feel like ever since that game won, OKC has been different. Obviously, the physicality has been there, and they've been precise on what it is they're trying to do. We gotta. We gotta. We gotta take Wimby out This damn

[Shannon Sharpe]

game, man, for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

And I know he averaging 20, 29 and what'd you say, 15, 29 and 15? Yeah. I mean, that's. That's great now, but the. His supporting cast, them. Boy, we gotta limit them boys. We can't let them get off, man. I remember. I remember playing here for the Hawks. We was playing Orlando Magic. I don't. I think it was like 2009. This one, Dwight Howell was Dwight Howard. You hear me? Okay, Ocho. Okay, Ocho.

[Joe]

When I tell y', all, hey, Super Superman.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho. We had no answer for this, man. No. But guess what? Guess what we did. We said, damn it, we're just gonna let him get 40 and 20. But we ain't gonna let Turkaloo. We ain't gonna let Jamel Nelson. We ain't gonna let nothing. Them boy gonna have about five points, seven points together. Yeah, right. Yeah. Cause we gonna stick on there. We. We're gonna let them throw it down there to. He gonna eat. The rest of these boys ain't eating.

[Joe]

Yeah, right.

[Chad Johnson]

And that's how we was able to get about that. Serious. Just sometimes, bro, because you can't open up the floodgates with somebody like that. You go to Dublin, he kicking it out to his shooters. You at his mercy now.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I met Donald McNabb, I think they said. I said Donovan Mitchell. I met Donovan McNabb because he had. He had Andy Reid all. I mean, basically, he had Andy Reed his whole career. That's all he ever know.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tom Haberstro did a great piece on Shay and Floppy. How often does Shay Alexander fall compared to his peers? You see, on Non foul, He falls on 120, 187 shots. He followed 20. He fell 20 times. That's almost 11. And you can see the chart right there then with James Harden, Jalen Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, and Victor Wimanyama. Only failed one time on 164 shots. On the ones he was fouled 39, 37 shots, 19 over 51% of the time.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

On all shots. Hey, falling down depth 17 of the time, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, that's that. He's selling it, boy. Hey, YouTube. Hey. Hey. From. From us. From a score standpoint, guys who love to score. Yeah, you look at the great ones, Uncle Ocho, I ain't gonna lie. I never had that in my bag. To like to be a. To. To. To be a foul seeker or none of that. I just enjoy school. I just enjoy scoring the ball. But these guys. This is what you call Greedy. You know what I mean? These guys agreed, hey, they want to score the ball by any means. The boy try and get 30 every night, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They ain't playing, so however I gotta get it, you get too damn close to me when I shoot. Yeah, I'm hitting the dick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Joe]

Hey, that. That's art. That's art in itself, too, though, you know, being able to do it. Everybody can't do it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Making it.

[Joe]

Making it look like it's a problem.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Happy to hurt my damn self. Ocho and Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, hitting the flow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. Cause you got to know it. You got to know how to hit the floor and slide. Them guys. You see them guys, they shoot it and they be sliding with it, man. I'll be hitting them up one time. Oh, damn hip.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you got. Hey, it's knowing how to seek contact, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

When they get in traffic and they play in a lot of traffic, they understand. They don't panic in those situations. Yeah, they use different bodies to, like, kind of ping bang off of. You know, you get. You reaching that, get your arm in there. Here. That's. That's their dream. They gonna. They gonna be flailing up through there. They got all kind of little tricks and trades, bro.

[Joe]

Yeah, it's. It's art to it.

[Chad Johnson]

It is it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But right now, the spurs, hey, they're scratching the head. They can't play better. Any better than they played, say, the first eight, nine minutes of the game, Joe. Yeah, they can't play any better than that. But what happens is, is that when they. When the stomacher starters go to the bench, I don't know if the bench brought that intensity, because I think they thought it was going to be sweet.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, see. Hey, man, hey, that bench came and said, hey, we got. Hey, we got to do something. We got to change the trajectory of this. Or this thing might get out. This thing might get bubble sparks. It might get ugly.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Think about it. You know, the success that the spurs has had against the Thunder throughout the regular season and beating them 4:1. Then you go in their house, win game one. Hell, yeah. You confident we going home? Oh, yeah, man. Hell, we probably. We should. We should go back to okc. Up three ones. Probably what they were thinking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what I mean? But OKC had a. They. They had a different plan, bro. They had a different plan. They had guys step in. I'm talking about, play great basketball. Them guys off that bench, they won you this game tonight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sga was asked after the game about on the San Antonio crowd chanting flopper. It does nothing. Doesn't fuel me, doesn't discourage me. It's part of the game. I've been dealing with it for a long time. I don't really hear it.

[Joe]

Hey, someone like sga. Hey, hey, Joe. As long as he's been playing the game, this is nothing that he just started doing. That art of being able to flop, that. That art of being able to use your body and contort your body in the right ways to be able to get some of those fouls. Once you're aggressive, you put the ball on the floor. He been hearing that. This ain't nothing new. It's not like he just, you know, got this art of being able to. To. I hate using the word foul bait, but I mean, that's what it is. So anything hearing from the crowd, man, he definitely don't care.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I think. I think Uncle Ocho, I think he does hear him. And I think it fuels them, you know, Sometimes, bro, we don't want to give up the secrets. You know what I'm saying? Like you, you can. It's like sometimes a lot of the great players, they can hear one look, one little thing about them that's negative and they can change it into a positive fuel to where they come out and try to be a different player. I think he hears it and he understands, bro. You know, hey, this is my job. This is what I do. I'm a two time mvp, one time champion. I'm gonna show y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm gonna show y' all why I'm arguably the best player in this league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's. Look, we all hear the negative. It could be 80, 000 fans cheering. Two people boo. What you hear, Ocho?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got 80, 000 fans here. Oh, y'. All. Oh, Joe, two people. Yeah, Ocho, you suck.

[Chad Johnson]

Facts.

[Joe]

Hey, I'll get. Be loud. It'd be. It'd be clear as hell. Too clear.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All the cheering is just like harmonious, but it's. But it's like that in the comments.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We love you, Ocho, man. We love you, man. Ocho, turn your light on, man. Ocho, take your glasses off. Damn. But my glasses bother you, right? Man, you gossiping. All you do is gossip, huh? Up like the old. Up like them old aunts back in the south. Just gossiping. I said, well, hell, Iran, they gossiping about Iran, they gossiping about Israel and Palestine. They gossiping.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that's Different? Why is it different? So, and it shades to come to the point, like, bro, and if you play sports, you know, you ain't gonna make everybody happy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, sir, you not the only difference between now and way back then. Everybody has social media. Everybody go put out. I don't like Steph. I don't like Braun. I don't like Harden. I don't like Mitchell. I don't like Shay with his foul bait sale, so forth and so on. Now probably a billion people got social media.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you got a billion different platforms that can disseminate and sometimes people only put out stuff because I just need a couple of people to get. Yeah. Hey, man, I don't like this episode. Me either. I don't even know why he had this person on. Yeah, well, you get you a podcast and you can put on whoever you want.

[Joe]

Hey, everybody. Hey, everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you don't like the person I've never gone on who goes to a movie, man, I can't stand this person. But you watching the movie, right? So you go watch a movie that you don't like, the person that's acting in the movie just so you can come out the movie say, man, I ain't like that. I don't even like such and such.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Going nowhere.

[Joe]

Yeah. Hey, I got a question, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Hopefully I got an answer.

[Joe]

You think about this, Joe. They complained about Shay and the foul baiting. Did they complain about Harden when he did it?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they did.

[Joe]

They complain about D. Wade when he did it? Because D. Wade did it, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had.

[Joe]

He had. He had a nice one there. Try to get you up in the air.

[Chad Johnson]

I know D. Wade was known for his pump fake. That's in the scout report. That's in the sky.

[Joe]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

That's in the scout report.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

The one thing coaches will tell you, you fall for that damn pump fake we find in your ass.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't go for that damn pump fake. Hey, the pump fake and the reject on D1. Yeah. Reject the pick and his ass gonna pump fake. You get it? That's a guarantee. Yeah, yeah. But Harden. Hell, Ocho, guys stop even reaching on hard and they just play. Play with their hands like this. You gotta play with your body, you know what I mean? He changed the game when it came to, you know, drawing files, you know what I mean? I don't think it was more flail. I don't think it was flailing on James part. I just think he was so crafty and sticking that ball out there. And you thinking you had a steal and he'd come up through your arms, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was the best at that, Ocho. Somebody said, well, ain't that many social media platforms out there on YouTube. Thanks to YouTube, there are 2.8 billion damn. Damn YouTube, YouTube users on Facebook, there are 3 billion monthly active users. On Instagram, 3 billion active users, and tick tock, 2 billion globally. So I was. I undersold it. I said a billion.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And everybody got a voice. Everybody got a voice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's hard for me to believe out of 8 billion people, there are not at least a billion platforms just being conservative, Ocho. Well, obviously, you know, you know, kid, they're really old people. That's not on social media. And there's really, really young people that's not on social media.

[Joe]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when you got that, that. That sweet spot, let's just say from the ages of. Let's just do ages 12 to. To 55.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't think it's a billion people that have. That's on IG X, YouTube, Facebook, tick tock. You don't think it's a billion people out there?

[Chad Johnson]

I do. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you. Why you think everybody trying to control it?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How do you get information out? Don't nobody watch the evening news anymore to get information. Where you going to get information from social media?

[Joe]

All you need is your phone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And guess what? I'm only going to the sites that give me the type of information that I want.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If I'm trying to learn how to bake a cake, what the hell? I'm on a car. While I'm on an auto parts site, they gonna tell me to make no damn cake. So I'm gonna go to a site that's gonna give me the information that I want to consume.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But what I'm gonna do in the meantime, I'm gonna inundate you now because I know. Oh, oh. Don't you like to get on this thing about. From. From nine to five. Okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I' ma let you see what you want to see, but I'm gonna put something up. That's. Man, what they talking about, man? What they going on with this woman, man? Damn inflation. Oh, man. They're about to raise interest rates a damn kid. I get you. I know you're gonna be on there. You can only ignore it so much, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The only way you can't get it, you got to put it down. Yep, yep.

[Joe]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But if you own There. I'm gonna get you. I will get you. Todd Monkey was asked about the defensive plays made in practice, a couple of interceptions, the force fumble. Here's what he had to say, guys, we throw. We threw interceptions and seven on seven, for God's sake. So, I mean, who does that? There's no pass rush. I mean, it is embarrassing. Is he being for real, Ocho?

[Joe]

Nah, nah, hell, he trolling. He definitely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gotta be trolling. Yeah. I played with John, and John threw interception in 707.

[Joe]

Hey, I would get ready to say the same thing. I've seen. I've seen the greatest quarterback of all time during my tenure there in 707 throw interceptions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe]

I've seen Carson Palmer throw interceptions. I've seen Achilles Smith throw interceptions. Everyone throws interceptions in seven on seven. I think he was trolling, though. He had to be trolling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got to be trolling. Hey, got to be.

[Chad Johnson]

He got me. He. He got me.

[Joe]

He got you. Yeah, yeah, he got. He got to be trolling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they said he was. Ocho. We. I mean, we used. The guys used to get boots. They would get gifts if they picked John off. Oh, they're trying to get the pick. They trying to get that money.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yes, you got.

[Joe]

You got to think, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And some. Some guys. That was their game, Joe. Yes, their game was. Was Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. That's their game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I ain't gonna make you look. Make me look bad, because guess what? If you make the guy. If. If you make that guy look too bad too often, they'll get his ass up out of. They're gonna put somebody else in there, and I ain't telling what I'm telling. I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know.

[Chad Johnson]

I feel right. Yeah. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, I don't know what he got. I don't know what they think. I mean, what. What do they think they supposed to just let you complete passes?

[Joe]

You know, they get paid on the other side of the ball, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, man, what you.

[Joe]

Now what you. What you do want to do, Joe, Uncle Joe. Especially in seven on seven because there's no pass rush. You would like for the decision making to be a little bit better.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe]

Being that there's no pressure, but again, those that are on the other side of the ball, they get paid to play ball, too. It ain't gonna be that easy every

[Shannon Sharpe]

single time, but the problem is that what you got to do, Ocho. But it still has to be a clock how many times do we say, bro, what you think? You in seven on seven, you just go sit back there and pat the damn.

[Joe]

Yeah. Playing around.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That clock better go off of your damn head.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you. Hey, you. You up on the center and you got a route. That's obviously. If it's a three step route, you throw it. You throwing slants or you throwing spot routes, you know what I'm saying? You throwing something quick. But if it's a five step, hey, when that back foot hit, you know the coverage. That ball better come out. Okay? You keep on doing this right here and watch Miles G. Put his helmet right between your damn shoulders. Okay? So I don't know what he's up. Just. Oh, so you want to have the whole guy just hold the ball? That's. That's exactly what's going to happen. That's why you see guys. Because they get so used to nine and seven on seven Joe isn't a pass rush. That's why you see guys helmet coming off. Like, bro, how you not see that? Because in seven on seven, they told him to wait until somebody came open.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the clock doesn't go off. That what our quarterback do. You throw that ball down to throw it out of bounds.

[Chad Johnson]

Get your damn head rattled and hold on.

[Joe]

And Coach Monkey better understand now. You know what defense he got over there. I forgot what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a top three defense over there in Cleveland.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, man, the boys ain't no joke. You complain about interceptions. Understand who you got now. Know your personnel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you tell them, say, hey, you got to make your decision. Obviously, you know, hey, the thing is, Ocho, when Joe, what we did the way we lived, we have. So we would have like five. We'd have like four to five periods.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's ten plays per period. Now you can look and see. I never did. You can look and see what the coverage is versus the play that you're gonna run because you got, you know, you're telling the defense, okay, we want you in this coverage.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What they run this formation, this played this area of the field. So, you know, so you could look and see. I ain't want to look and see that cheating. I ain't gonna be able. Hey, hey, Greg G. Lloyd. What covered y' all in?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, me and Craig were really green. We brought. We did, brother lost some stuff.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey, Sharp. Hey, all right. Hey, hey. You see the power coming? Pull me out the way. Hey, yeah. Come on, Sharp, let's make it look good for the camera.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, good job, Sharp. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. It's just. Hey, the thing is, in basketball, bro, like, even in practice, we play five on five. Hell, the damn defense know all our damn plays. So they cheating plays and all them. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, I hate that. Hey, Joe. I hate that. Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, man. Y' all already know what the hell we running. You already over there before I get my ass over there.

[Joe]

Damn. And don't. Hey, Joe, don't met. Hey, hey. Don't let him make a play in practice. They get to celebrate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you see? There you go. There you go, Ocho. There you go. See, now I'm mad.

[Joe]

I'm bad, you know, to play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

What are you doing

[Shannon Sharpe]

now, man? So now I got to go back in there, get that lick back, right? No, no, I ain't out. Come on. Hey, see, I used to like it with 7 get mad because he 7 get mad. He called everybody back.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Sharpie foots. Eddie, come on.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. You in trouble now. Yeah, you should have pissed 7 off. Hey, it ain't nothing like y' all ass up.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, it ain't nothing like when practice get a little spicy, though, boy. I'm talking about. Yeah, y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. Yeah, well, I'm trying to been on some teams. I'm talking about practice used to be so fun, bro. I'm talking about competing at the highest level. Yeah. I'm talking about going at it. It's nothing better than that, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how you know what, Ocho, the best time. Cause don't nobody know nothing, right? Two minute.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, because everything unscripted.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, everybody.

[Joe]

Yeah, everything unscripted, Joe. So they can't cheat. They got. They gotta call everything honest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you could look at the sheet.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you got your ass cooked.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You got to play honest.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When I first got. I first got back to Denver and, you know, like I said, you can look at the card and see, oh, Titan's gonna do this. Titan's gonna do that. Man, them joke was cheating they ass off. So, you know, Ocho, you know, hold up this year. 13 for me.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Quick. You know, I ain't as quick as I was, you know, look, you know, the quickness ain't what it used to be, but they cheating.

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[Chad Johnson]

That's the worst shit I think you

[Shannon Sharpe]

know, I remember house in the back of Titus. Goddamn, homeboy, what going on? I said, man, how this is cheat they ass up. I said, looking at the car, you say, I know. Might say two minutes. One versus the twos. Because normally that's how we go. We go ones versus the twos.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the offense, the defense go ones versus the twos.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cook them right down the field. I bet you we threw. We completed 10 passes. I caught seven of them. And dog tired. I'm talking about dog tired now, you know I got to talk.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you really. You really thought you could cover me, huh? That's right. And get cut.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You really thought that, bro. Do you know they didn't tell you who I was? Yeah, they didn't tell you. You better check my resume. But don't worry about it. You're gonna find out from that point on. Amen. No, no, we ain't gonna make it look good. I'm gonna cook you every chance you get, I'm gonna try to get you cut.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want to come out here because, you know, hey, I'm still Shannon Sharp now. I'm still 84.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pro bowler, eight Pro Bowls, all Pro, all these all. All decade. So you know they're trying to make a name off me.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. You ain't gonna make no name up. You ain't gonna get no rep off center. That's not gonna happen. So now I gotta. I. I'm trying to get you cut. That's my purpose. Every day in practice that you go against me. I'm trying to get you cut.

[Chad Johnson]

Right? Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't mad at you, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you started this. You could have Just left me alone.

[Joe]

And the funny thing about it, too, Uncle Joe, with Unc talking the way he talking and trying to get him cut. Matter of fact, players that are trying to make it make a team. If you look good against the ones enough times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you.

[Joe]

You will get a job.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you.

[Joe]

You get it. You get a job off that?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe]

Oh, we got to keep him. Well, he looked good against 84. We got to find. We got to find a spot for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I kind of got cut my rookie year. We playing the Raiders. Yeah, because, you know, Ocho. You know, hey, I was. I was a wide receiver then. I had Tim Brown number. I had Tim Brown at T.M. brown.

[Joe]

He had the 81.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Had the 81 on. But I would like move with the ball, so I might be. The only person I wasn't gonna be was Sam Grady. Sam Grady was Olympics. He won the silver medal in 100 meters. I couldn't beat him, but I could be Tim Brown. So I was Tim Brown. I went deep like three times in a row. I went deep. I went deep twice on Wednesday. I went deep Monday. Then I went deep twice on Friday. You know, Friday practice, everything supposed to

[Joe]

be buttoned up and fast. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Friday afternoon, he was gone

[Joe]

fast. Friday, you got anybody there?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They look at that like, hold on. This is a rookie. This ain't Tim Brown.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what you think Tim Brown gonna do?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. When they. Hey, I know what you're talking about, Unc. They put you in that situation. They say, hey, we need you to play Kobe today. Or we need you to be AI today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, so look, we. We had a guy. We had him to be AI, and it's like, you don't even get to think. You just play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You shoot, shoot when you whatever you want.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, that boy carved us up one day. I'm talking about carved and stuff. Because you just. You ain't gotta think. You just catch the ball. You get to do what you want, right? Once. You got to put some. Some thought into that. That's what guys started to mess up. But I know exactly what you're saying, boy, you take. They tell you somebody, you go out there. Yo, I'm talking about. You go off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's Rod Smith. That's how Rod Smith made the team.

[Joe]

He became.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One day, he was the Raiders, you know, he was a rocket. They say we called him Bottle Rocket.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Say, get him Bottle Rocket. Cause he's Rocky. Oh, yeah. We called him Slim Rice because he was Jerry. Hey was cooking everybody yeah. They must rather put foots in the game. First game foots ever played in.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Five seconds on the clock. A three by one put him on the back side. Matched up against Daryl Green, 40 yard Hail Mary. He jumped over the top of him and called it.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Joe]

Dg. Too short. He was too short.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ever since then, puts me a. He played. He played next. That was in 95, 96. He backed up 97. They got rid of the starter. Foot's been in the starting lineup ever since.

[Joe]

Ever since. Hey, man, I remember Ed McCaffrey, UNC man. And his arm was so big with them little tiny ass. Shoulder pads. His shoulder pad looked like it was for the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ed had kicker shoulder pads.

[Joe]

That's what it was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Why is that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

This part. This part of his shoulder, like it's. They wasn't even covered right. Like mo. Everybody shoulder pads covered it. Not edge. Edge. Wouldn't they. So flimsy.

[Joe]

You're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Those shoulder plans was so. They was like. They were probably. He might have had Kristen shoulder pads. His son.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, you know who else did that? Remember Michael Bennett? Remember Michael.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. But that. But. But Ed always. We cut the pants up. We cut the. We was the one. The first one to take all the lighting out of pants. All that stuff that y'. All. They got that from us.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw Ricky Jackson do it. Ricky Jackson was the first person I saw wear no pads in his pants.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I said, man, if I ever become good, I'm definitely doing that.

[Chad Johnson]

How you do that? How you play without no pads in

[Shannon Sharpe]

your pants, man, you got to be able to move.

[Joe]

You got to be able to move.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe, I have no pain. I had a helmet and shoulder pads. No mouthpiece, no hip pads, no thigh pads, no knee pads.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So.

[Chad Johnson]

So when somebody hit you here, you feel it a little more, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Yeah. You feel it. But good luck. Try to. Hey, and your pants, they were like leg. They were like tights. Your compression pants. That's under your. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what our pants was like.

[Chad Johnson]

Streamline.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pick him up. Put them down. They only. They don't let you do that now. Oo. You got to wear pants. Talk about concussion. I said, I ain't never got hit in the thigh, but my head hurt.

[Chad Johnson]

No, you know.

[Joe]

You know, I like what they do. If you see some of the. If you see some of the receivers.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh?

[Joe]

It just. It's real flimsy. It's a little flat foam. And sometimes they have it have a little design on it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe]

It don't really be. It don't really be nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, in college, we used to put pre wrap. That was. We use pre wrap and for real. Yeah, man. You. Hey, man, you know, we had a little. We tried to look. Hey, man, you know how we try to do. Try to be clean, man, we played. Cause, you know, we saw the guys. Cause Jerry Rice was the one. Jerry Rice used to have a towel. He had flash on it. Yeah, man, we had a fullback. He saw Jerry Rice. This joker done got a whole beach towel. So he. In his stance, the tower, dragging the ground. On your joke. I swear to God, he turned the corner and the guy called it, caught the tower. He can't just because there was a goddamn hole. Take this off. A. And that's why they say these. They're very impressionable because whatever they see them NFL players wear.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah, College, high school, they do it.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

They're gonna try to do that. Because we saw guys. Whatever they did in the NFL, that's what we tried to do.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he. He just saw the towel, man. That joker had a beast towel. The towel. He understands the towel on the ground, Man. It was the day that I look at. I was talking to Bucket the other day. Bucket said, man, hey, homeboy, you remember such and such. I said, yeah, I remember that. But I don't know what Todd Monkey thinking about Ocho.

[Joe]

Nah. Hey, is he trolling?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's gotta be.

[Joe]

Unless that's a way for him to motivate his quarterback. That's the only thing I can think of.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Joe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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