Nightcap - Hour 1: SGA Perfect Season + Kevin Durant TRADED to Rockets

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap - Hour 1 Summary
Episode: SGA Perfect Season + Kevin Durant TRADED to Rockets
Release Date: June 24, 2025

In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe delves deep into the recent seismic shifts within the NBA, focusing primarily on Shai Gilgeous-Alexander's (SGA) outstanding season and the high-profile trade of Kevin Durant from the Phoenix Suns to the Houston Rockets. Joined by notable guests Bradley Beal and Jalen Rose, Sharpe navigates through the intricacies of team dynamics, player performances, and the broader implications for the league.

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1. Kevin Durant's Trade to the Rockets

Shannon Sharpe opens the discussion with breaking news about Kevin Durant being traded to the Houston Rockets. He provides an in-depth analysis of the trade details and its ramifications for both the Phoenix Suns and the Rockets.

• Trade Details:
  Sharpe (11:09): "Kevin Durant has been traded to the Rockets. The Suns traded KD to the Rockets for Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, the number 10 pick in the 2025 draft, and five second-round picks."

Rich Kleiman questions the value the Suns relinquished:

• Rich Kleiman (06:07): "Kevin Durant, one of the prolific scorers of all time, you said Ishma did too much to get him."

Sharpe counters by emphasizing the Suns' strategic missteps:

• Sharpe (06:16): "The Suns messed this up. Look, I like Matt Ish but he gave up too much to get Kevin Durant and he was never going to reciprocate that because he's two years older than when you got him."

Bradley Beal offers a counter-perspective, defending the trade's potential benefits for Phoenix:

• Beal (07:13): "Phoenix is going to be able to do some of these things and possibly get a pick and all this again. Kevin Durant to me goes there, I think instantly he makes them more viable."

Jalen Rose and Bradley Beal further debate the trade's impact on team depth and future prospects:

• Rose (07:37): "I think KD can put them over the hump. He won't have to do a lot of heavy lifting. They got some guys who can play over there."

• Beal (08:14): "You're putting KD in a position where you're going to have him carry your team late to go get buckets. How long though? I know you..."

Sharpe underscores the loss of key players for Phoenix:

• Sharpe (09:15): "They gave up their best defender in Mikhail Bridges, a young Cam Johnson, and three first-round draft picks. That's an awful lot to give up for a guy."

2. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander's (SGA) Perfect Season

Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s stellar performance is a focal point of the discussion, with Sharpe highlighting his statistics and growth as a player.

• Sharpe (33:34): "Shay was just named Finals MVP. He's the regular season MVP, Western Conference MVP, Finals MVP. Averaged 30 points, five and a half assists, almost two steals a game, one and a half block shots per game."

Rich Kleiman probes Sharpe on his preference between SGA and other MVPs:

• Kleiman (34:10): "Would you still take Jokic?"

Sharpe (34:14): "Yes, I still would because Jokic got a ring too."

Jalen Rose emphasizes SGA's adaptability and potential future impact:

• Rose (38:51): "Che Holbridge... could be consistent and that’s what’s going to make him a dynasty."

3. Team Dynamics and Future Prospects

The conversation shifts to the broader implications of Durant's trade and how it affects team chemistry and future strategies.

Beal discusses potential further moves by the Suns:

• Beal (10:32): "Are you going to keep Porzingis here? You have a big hole over there in Phoenix right now."

Sharpe (11:13): Addresses fan backlash towards the Rockets’ decision:

• Sharpe (11:13): "Rocket fans don't seem to be happy with the KD trade. One tweeted it was their last day as a Rocket fan, wishing the worst on the franchise."

Durant's Perspective:
Sharpe includes Durant’s own reaction to the trade, revealing mutual understanding between him and the Suns:

• Durant (11:45): "Heartbroken Suns fan... what you like, they like it too."

4. Locker Room Tensions and Team Culture

The episode delves into reported locker room tensions within the Phoenix Suns, citing specific incidents and player dynamics.

• Sharpe (14:03): "Phoenix Sun reportedly had multiple fist fights in the locker room per Boogie Cousins."

Beal and Rich Kleiman discuss the importance of locker room harmony:

• Beal (14:31): "It only comes from the locker room."

• Kleiman (14:33): "It's supposed to stay right there."

Sharpe and Beal continue to explore how off-court behaviors impact team performance and fan perception.

5. Market Dynamics and Fan Loyalty

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around how market size and location affect team success and fan loyalty.

Sharpe compares the NBA's market dynamics to those of the NFL:

• Sharpe (24:19): "Look at the best athletes they come out of warm-weather states like California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana."

Beal counters by highlighting strong basketball regions:

• Beal (25:18): "North Carolina might have the greatest basketball players."

Jalen Rose adds historical context:

• Rose (25:33): "Dominique, James Worthy... great players from North Carolina."

Discussions on Fan Base Loyalty:

• Sharpe (40:38): "The fans don't like it though. NFL has small market teams with loyal fan bases like Pittsburgh and Green Bay."

• Beal (42:52): "Genuine loyalty like in the Steelers fans, unlike some NBA big market team fans who are fair-weather."

6. Player Development and Era Comparisons

The panel discusses the evolution of the game, player specialization, and training, comparing past and present eras.

Jalen Rose critiques modern player development:

• Rose (66:28): "In Europe, they teach the game from a young age versus just throwing them out there."

Beal agrees, emphasizing the importance of foundational skills:

• Beal (68:05): "European players have the three-point skill and Euro step perfected before coming here."

Sharpe reflects on his own experience with player development:

• Sharpe (69:33): "We all worked hard, raising funds through swim parties, car washes, tipping raffles."

7. The Physical Demands of Modern Basketball

The conversation shifts to the increasing physical demands on players and the rise in injuries.

Beal connects rigorous schedules to injury rates:

• Beal (62:26): "Players never rest... leading to Achilles injuries."

Rose elaborates on the consequences of year-round play:

• Rose (63:05): "Playing basketball year-round without proper rest leads to injuries."

Kleiman addresses misconceptions about injury causes:

• Kleiman (63:43): "High-top shoes aren’t preventing Achilles tears; it's more about wear and tear."

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Notable Quotes

• Shannon Sharpe (11:09): "Kevin Durant has been traded to the Rockets. The Suns traded KD to the Rockets for Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, the number 10 pick in the 2025 draft, and five second-round picks."

• Bradley Beal (07:13): "Phoenix is going to be able to do some of these things and possibly get a pick and all this again. Kevin Durant to me goes there, I think instantly he makes them more viable."

• Jalen Rose (25:33): "Dominique, James Worthy... great players from North Carolina."

• Shannon Sharpe (33:34): "Shay was just named Finals MVP. He's the regular season MVP, Western Conference MVP, Finals MVP. Averaged 30 points, five and a half assists, almost two steals a game, one and a half block shots per game."

• Bradley Beal (62:26): "Players never rest... leading to Achilles injuries."

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Conclusion

The episode offers a comprehensive exploration of the recent trade of Kevin Durant to the Rockets and celebrates SGA's exceptional season. Through insightful analysis and robust debate among Shannon Sharpe, Bradley Beal, and Jalen Rose, listeners gain a multifaceted understanding of the current NBA landscape, team strategies, player development, and the ever-evolving nature of professional basketball. The discussions underscore the complexities of managing star players, maintaining team cohesion, and navigating the pressures of large-market dynamics, all while spotlighting the rising stars poised to shape the future of the league.

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[Bradley Beal]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you think, Joe? What you think, Brad?

[Jalen Rose]

Nah, that's a tough one, man. Look, because if you go in there and win on somebody home court, just like Indiana did in game one, and you got three games at home, man, a lot of teams ain't coming back from that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. They did that because they used to fly commercial. So they want to make sure it was not. Everybody got their own private plane. So you get two games, you just stay there, you stay there in the city, blah, blah, blah. And then when you pack it up, you come on back. But now with everybody got their own flight bread and Joe.

[Bradley Beal]

Why does he want that? That make no sense to me. Because if you are, if you want all these games, you put yourself on the line, you put yourself in a position where you want those first two games at home, other places home, and then it's back and forth. I'm not feeling that. I'm not. Because as you said, during the 80s it was hard because we had to fly commercial. We had to go from LA to Boston. Playing the Lakers at that time. I remember Jack Nicholson being in first class with us and you know, we just kind of hanging out, having a good time. But them flights were difficult, man. They, they, they, they, they were. Joe, they didn't want to give you no damn food. I mean, sitting up there and on top of that you have people damn smoking cigarettes right beside you. So Shannon, you don't know nothing about that. You, you won't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, but I, I, I've heard that you guys that regular people. We was regular people on your flight. But was it crazy?

[Bradley Beal]

Yes. Sitting beside you? Yes. Yeah, because we were going through the airport. We'll come to the airport with no security. Here was the security right here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

These things, right.

[Bradley Beal]

You run up on somebody out there, but no security. None of this other stuff? No. Being protected by the NBA. No. It was a different league then and you had to protect yourself. You had to be more of an adult. You had to really focus on what you did. Because I'm telling you what the 80s, the women in the 80s, they were prevalence, man. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. My bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We had breaking news today. Kevin Durant has been traded to the Rockets. The Suns traded Katie to the Rockets for Jalen Green. Dylan brooks, the number 10 pick in the 2025 draft. Five second round picks. KD was at Fanatics Fest when someone captured the moment when KD and his agent Rich Kleiman found out. Let's take a look at this video, guys. So I'm not surprised, I'm not surprised by this. There is only a handful of teams that had maybe some players in the pick, the compensation. The Suns messed this up. Look, I like Matt Ishbut I've met him several times, he's a great guy. But he gave up too much to get Kevin Durant and he was never going to reciprocate that because he's two years older than when you got him. So now you're not going to be able what you gave up to get him, you're not going to be able to get that back. We know you want him gone. He knows you want him gone and everybody else knows you want him gone. And so Ocho plus Miami, they turned down Miami's package because I told you they didn't have enough to give. They didn't have anything. Jaime Hawkez, Harvey High, Smith. What?

[Rich Kleiman]

Hey, I have a question though. Some, some you just said. Some, some you just said, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Rich Kleiman]

Kevin Durant, one of the prolific scorers of all time, you said Ishma did too much to get him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gave up too much to get him.

[Rich Kleiman]

Yes, but because the player he is, that's why he did what he had to do to actually get a player that that magnitude. Now the reason you got him was you hope what you put and invested into them, you hope it turned out and came to fruition, it just didn't. And normally when you buy a car, when you buy a car off the car lot, right, and as soon as you drive it off, what does it do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It depreciate.

[Rich Kleiman]

Well, so you understand when you get a player of that magnitude, as great as he is, as great as he is in and he's older now, you still not gonna get back what you bought for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I think the thing is. Oh is that when you look at what you locate, you got KD and book. Did you really need Bradley Beal? Did you really need Bradley Bill? Or do I need to secure my. Do I need to get depth for my bench? So now I take trade more draft capital and give up more players. So now they don't have a first round pick until 2013. 1. You do realize it's 2025, right?

[Bradley Beal]

Well, and that's why I think it's a good trade for Phoenix though, if you're talking about Phoenix is going to be able to do some of these things and possibly get a pick and all this again, Kevin Durant to me goes there, I think instantly to me he makes them more viable When I think about having the score with them young, them young bulls he got playing with him over there, I don't, I make that trade all day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I love, I like him better, I like him better in Houston than I did than in Phoenix.

[Jalen Rose]

I agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you got Shingoon. You got Shingoon, you got Arman Thompson, you re signed Van Fleet, you were able to keep Jabari Smith Jr. So now, and plus the problem that Houston had, they had the second best record in the West, 52 wins, but they didn't have a guy that you can give the ball to late in the ball game and go get you a bucket. You now have that? Yeah.

[Bradley Beal]

How long though? Joe, I know you.

[Rich Kleiman]

I.

[Bradley Beal]

So Joe, I look him to be about 36, 37.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He 37.

[Bradley Beal]

You're telling me you're going to let, and I love kd, but you're, you're putting him in a position where you're going to have him carry your team late to go get buckets.

[Jalen Rose]

I think I, I think he's going to be, I think he's naturally going to do that late in games. I, I, I love the fact that he's with a bunch of young cats, like some grimy young cats who gonna work hard, play hard, and he ain't gonna have to, I don't think he gonna have to do a lot of heavy lifting. Guys, they got some guys who, who can play over there, you know what I mean? They got some guys who are going to come into their own. Obviously, they going to play through Sengon and Unk, like you said. I'm glad they kept Jabari Smith, another tall, long guy who can shoot the ball, who can post up, who can play multiple positions, and led by Van Fleet. I think they have a great team over there, and I think KD can put them over the hump. I don't think it's going to be rigorous on him as far as him trying to carry that team. I think collectively they going to do a great job. Now, naturally, he's going to be the cream of the clock when it comes to scoring the basketball because he does it so well and it comes so easy to him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, and plus you got three guys, six, 10. Better. You got 611. You got 611. KD, you got 611. Shingon, you got 610. Jabari Parker, you Gotman Thompson at 67. You got Van Fleet that can run the. I, I like this. I like, I like, like I said, I like KD here more than I Like them in Phoenix because all you had was offense. They didn't have rebounding, they didn't have rim protecting, they didn't have great depth. Think about what you gave up to get it. You gave up your best defender in Mikhail Bridges. You gave up a young Cam Johnson. You gave up what, three first round draft picks. That's an awful lot to give up for a guy. And now, and now you go trade for Bradley Beal, which weakens you even more as far as draft compensation and depth for your bench. These teams that played in the NBA Finals, what do they have? Depth, Depth. Now they might not be as good as the big three for Phoenix, but Phoenix said once you got, once you got Book and KD out of the game.

[Jalen Rose]

Now, hey, look, my question is, what does Phoenix gonna look like with Devin Booker, Jalen Green and Bradley Beal? I mean, them three are pretty much the same guy. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said that when they got, I said that when they got.

[Bradley Beal]

Watch out, Joe. One of the things could happen, and I've been hearing this, that there might be a possibility of Boston making moves. What's going to happen? Are you going to keep Porzingis here? You have a big hole over there in, in, in Phoenix right now. Can you go out and get one of those guys for Boston and make and get that pick or want to give that pick up or maybe Porzingis to put him in that position. You know Joe, that once you get traded to a team doesn't necessarily mean you need to stop. You know, your bags don't need to be unpacked, you need to keep bag back because you might be moving on in the new NBA.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, right.

[Jalen Rose]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rocket fans don't seem to be happy with the KD trade. One tweeted. It happened Today was my last day as a Rocket fan. I wish the worst and the absolute worst on this franchise. Trading a 23 year old superstar for, for a washed 40 year old and genuinely the worst thing you could ever do. I hope KD retires next season and that the franchise completely crumbles. Damn kd. KD also spoke to K Adams today and said Phoenix wanted him gone. Let's take a listen to what Katie had to say.

[Kevin Durant]

Last one for you lot of heartbroken Sons fans right now. What would you like to say that's not true? No, literally heartbroken Sons fan right over there.

[Jalen Rose]

I just, I just felt like, yeah, that means they wanted me to go. So it's like glad we both, you know, they got what they wanted. Yeah. What I wanted so we can move on and good luck to them going forward. I always remember my time there, but we on something else. Hey, I don't see nothing wrong with what he said because it wasn't. It wasn't him who came to them asking and looking for a trade. He found out they were trying to trade him. So as athletes, we know when you. It's basically saying you don't want us. Okay, it's somebody out there who will take me. It's somebody else out there who do want me. And he was able to give him a few teams that he wanted to go play with. So give the Sons credit for even trading them to Houston, Texas to Texas, because that was one of the stops that he wanted to go.

[Bradley Beal]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What he knew the Suns. Excuse me, the Rockets. The Spurs. No. Yeah, the Rockets. The Spurs. Brooklyn were really the only handful of teams that had the draft capital to go get him. So he had no choice. I mean, he couldn't go to Miami because Miami don't have anything to offer for him. Your two best players are untouchable. Tyler Hero and Bam. And you see the package. Jaime Hawkins, Jr. Hovich, Highsmith. It's like, absolutely not. Absolutely.

[Bradley Beal]

What did we think then? Because they had to make that move, how bad they were offensively.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Indeed.

[Bradley Beal]

And the only person other than Book that you're going to get anything for on that team was kd. So in his case, they had to make that move. They had to go out and say, dude, you can go on. And here's the thing that me and Joe love about this. Joe, where'd they go? Oh, I know. To a damn state that they ain't got no damn state income tax. How about that? How about that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

There was a back and forth Boogie Cousins a few days ago regarding the report the Sons had multiple fist fights in the locker room. Kevin Durant says, I have to contest this 94 footer. This some bull job to throw on us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were trash this year.

[Jalen Rose]

Ha ha ha.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But we never got close to this. Never. The Phoenix sun reportedly had multiple fist fights in the locker room per Boogie Cousins. The Boogie says the source was one of your teammates. Killer. I ain't referencing you referring to you. Save that ish for the other homies.

[Rich Kleiman]

Hey, anytime. Hey, Unc Joe, Brett, anytime, something like that get out. You know, it always come from. From one of the players.

[Bradley Beal]

It only come from locker room.

[Rich Kleiman]

Always. That's the only. That's the only time. I hate when stuff. I hate when stuff like that happen too, man. You know, I hate when. Dude, I hope when dudes be chatty Patty. When something goes on the locker room, it's supposed to stay right there. Supposed to stay right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys be pillow talking.

[Bradley Beal]

And.

[Rich Kleiman]

Okay, fist fight, man. Everybody fight who don't fight. It happens, Unc. In training camp. Did y' all fight in training camp?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Rich Kleiman]

You know, I mean, it happens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whatever happened in the locker room and stayed in the locker room. If you didn't cap. If that didn't cap.

[Bradley Beal]

No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Shannon. It doesn't stay funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm saying.

[Bradley Beal]

I know you didn't, but here's what happened. As you're saying right now, it's pillow talk. You go tell your wife something. You go tell your girlfriend. You know how those stories go. You tell her, she tells somebody else. And then it's all. It's going in the woods. So a lot of times what we have in the NBA are wives and girlfriends. And now it's moms who have a lot of shit going on because of. They have. They have a lot of power now, Joe. It's not like back in the day. Back in the day, girlfriends were quiet. They said nothing about no damn basket. They talk about everything else, but not about basketball. Now they think they're playing the damn game. I'm like, really? You don't play? I didn't see you on the other side. Said, he didn't do anything. I didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Reports say the Suns will look to reroute Jaylen Green to another team. I can see that. That makes sense. Hey, I need a. Huh?

[Bradley Beal]

Hold on.

[Rich Kleiman]

I'm tripping now. You trade KD for Jalen Green. Now you want to ship Jalen Green somewhere else? And then I see reports that they also about a buyout with Bradley Beal. What the hell going on?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause Ocho, Bradley. See, Bradley, Bill and LeBron are one of the two players. Two players that have no training. So you can't move Bradley Beal where he doesn't want to go. So the best thing is, like, you know what? Let's just go ahead and bite this bullet, get up off this and move in a different direction.

[Rich Kleiman]

So how would Bradley Beal look down here at Miami since he is a prolific scorer? He is a scorer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gonna get 80, 90% of his money. He can look good wherever he choose to go.

[Bradley Beal]

Come on.

[Rich Kleiman]

Hey, let me. Let me holler. Let me take.

[Jalen Rose]

Man. Trying to get people in Miami.

[Rich Kleiman]

Hey, well, hey, listen, we. We can use a score like that. Now, look at what he did on the Wizards. And look what happened. It's too many people touching the guy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It don't take nothing to be a good score on a bad team.

[Bradley Beal]

You talking about, you talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm saying they don't take anything. Bread, you know, this bad team, it don't take much to be a top notch scorer. Cause who cares? You getting your eyes beat out anyway. So don't know about that.

[Bradley Beal]

That's, that's the one where they'll say, I, I said that one time to Coach Pino. One time. I was talking about Paul and I was talking about Antoine. And that's when they were beating the hell out of them Celtics. And I was, I was one of the reporters. I said, so Paul and Antoine, you know, they got their numbers tonight, Coach. And he turned to me, I was as embarrassed as I've ever been. He said, turn to me. He said, the numbers are palooza. I don't give a shit. What about them scoring no basket. So, so you're right. In the NBA on a bad team, you can look really good scoring the basketball because you're the only thing they have. But when you plug that into a good team, you get wins because of that. And you can see what happened with Bradley Beal. He leaves Washington and goes to everybody said, oh, that, that they're. They're going to be in. They're going to be in because it's cold. He goes now to Phoenix. He ain't shooting that way no more. He ain't getting them. He ain't getting what you say, Joe? Back in the. He getting touched like that, he gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get, you know, you don't get to take all them bad shots. You don't get to come down and say, you know what? I'm gonna get me 25, 30 shots a night, no matter what, on a good team, with other good players. It's not like that. Especially when you have multiple good players on said teams. Now maybe if he goes, if it could be a situation like okc, J Dubs and Shay gonna get the lion's share of the shots. Like Tonight, Shay was 8 of 27. J Dub was 7 of 20. Now they got 47 of the 87 shots. Two guys took over half the shots. Okay, but now you put Bradley, Bill, you put it with KD and Book. Ain't enough bad shots to go around. Yeah, they're gonna be looking at you crazy. You come down taking bad shots. Some of the bad shots that you were able to take and get away with. When you with the Wizards.

[Jalen Rose]

I agree. When you playing with other great players, man, you have to try to find a way to be efficient. I take y' all guys back to 2005, 2004, when I was playing with the Phoenix Sun. Nash was an mvp. You had. Maurice Stoudemire was a premier all star. Shawn Marion was a premier all star. And as your fourth option, which was me, I wanted to be efficient. I shot. I shot 48% from the three. And every time I took a shot, I wanted to make it count. Cause I knew I wasn't gonna get many of em. You know what I mean? I wanted to make. I did. I knew. Listen, I knew the ones that I did get. Brad, I had to be.

[Bradley Beal]

Damn. Did your brother make it?

[Jalen Rose]

Inefficient. You hear me? So I did what I had to do that year, and I only got a chance to play on that with them guys were Nash for one year. And I thought we had a special team, but unfortunately, we got some new ownership that came in and thought o otherwise.

[Bradley Beal]

But, Joe, that made it. That made it possible for you to go to another team, though, because you had highlighted what you were able to do on that particular team with not a lot of shots. And I think that's why you able to go someplace else. And all of a sudden, you get the ISO Joe thing.

[Jalen Rose]

But look, it goes back to what Unk said when I got to Atlanta. My first couple years, I'm averaging 20, 25, 26 a game, but, hell, that's 50 calories we getting the nosebleed beat up out of.

[Bradley Beal]

Hey, Joe.

[Rich Kleiman]

Hey. When you. When you was in Phoenix, Stoudemire with the fight?

[Jalen Rose]

Yeah, man, he was way before his time, ojo. The boy was so raw when he came. Came in straight out of high school. Yeah, yeah, he came in, man. I'm talking about just running through cats. He was going through you. It wasn't all around you. He was going through you. I'm talking about. I seen him go head to head with Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Chris Webb. I'm talking about the elites. Hey, that boy was special, man. He was special. Oh, that's your partner. That's Lake. Well, that's all you holler about is Lake. Well.

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[Jalen Rose]

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[Rich Kleiman]

Yeah, that must be. You mean Lakeland.

[Jalen Rose]

Lakeland, I think, because he always talking about him. Roy Jones. All this. All the darling.

[Rich Kleiman]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, that's right up the road. That's right.

[Bradley Beal]

How do all these damn athletes come out of there? Florida?

[Rich Kleiman]

Oh, it's the water, baby. It ain't nothing but the water. You know, listen, we. We produce them different down here.

[Bradley Beal]

We.

[Rich Kleiman]

We produce them different Weather. The weather.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at what the best. Look at the best athletes they come out of.

[Bradley Beal]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Warm weather. California, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana. Look, I mean, because you got. You got like ideal. You got ideal climate. And you know, us, we like warm weather. We don't like the cold.

[Rich Kleiman]

I like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We like. Hey, we like warm weather. And for the most part, you can do a lot of things a lot longer.

[Rich Kleiman]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So, you know, you get warm weather a lot longer and you don't get those, you know, those. Those long winters and short summers. You get long summers. But if you go back, look at that. Look at the. Look at basketball. Let's just take basketball. Football, especially. Football ain't even close. All the football players from the outside. California, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Florida.

[Jalen Rose]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

South Carolina, stuff like that. But I think that's what it has to do. It has to do with. If you go back and look at it. Look at where most of the athletes come from.

[Bradley Beal]

Damn, I was from North Carolina.

[Rich Kleiman]

I'm sorry.

[Bradley Beal]

Come on, you can look back. I guarantee you North Carolina might have the greatest basketball allotment of basketball players.

[Jalen Rose]

Ever put together outside more than Chicago.

[Bradley Beal]

Oh, hell yeah. I'm taking Jordan. Jordan? Where is he from? Where?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where? Where you. Hey, it used to be New York, you know, you used to be. New York was the hotbed back in the early 70s.

[Bradley Beal]

Dominique, where is he from? North Carolina. Buck Williams.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dominique. James Worthy.

[Bradley Beal]

That sleepy floor. There's a ton of guys you don't even talk about. Bob McAdoon, one of the greatest of all time from Greensboro. I mean, there was so many great players. David Thompson that people won't even talk about anymore. He was before Jordan. He was. Damn it. I tell you what. I was gardening one time. I was swiveling and I was going back and forth and somebody said, lob. And I'm gardening pretty good. And then I turn around, I look. I tell you what. I can tell you what size shoe we wore, because I don't Think Bob is damn feet. Shannon. He walks size 13. That's all I saw.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get up. According to Sports Illustrated, Rob Pelinka shouldn't see his job as secure moving forward. The report says, quote, either way, Pelinka shouldn't feel super secure in his position moving forward. He also shouldn't feel necessarily be looking over his shoulder. He needs to have a good off season this summer, though.

[Rich Kleiman]

All they got to do. All they got to do is do the same thing with. Listen, I'm sure he had. He had the rumblings. He know what you need. I'm sure LeBron has said it. I'm sure Lupus said it. Get me a goddamn big so we can compete. That's it. Give me a five. Who they gonna get the rest?

[Bradley Beal]

Who they gonna get?

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's a trade proposal. Bailey Bassett sees the Lakers trade away Austin Reeves for 2023 Defensive Player of the Year, Triple J Jaron Jackson Jr. So the Grizzlies will receive Austin Re. Dalton Connect. Maxi Cleber for Jared.

[Bradley Beal]

Hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You saying, hell no.

[Bradley Beal]

I'm not giving up Jared Jackson. Hell no. He crazy as hell. Jackson's a beast, man. That dude's a beast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Bradley Beal]

You think I'm giving him up for what? You say them bag of nickels that you just talked about? What the hell are you talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Austin Reeves. Hey, I don't really know what Memphis.

[Bradley Beal]

Is doing trying to stack the damn deck. Don't give me that kind of crap, man.

[Jalen Rose]

If they get rid of Jan Jackson Jr. They definitely getting rid of Ja.

[Bradley Beal]

Yeah, Ja is gone.

[Jalen Rose]

Yeah. I mean, if you get rid of him, that's your cornerstone. It's your corner piece, your big man. You get rid of him. I mean, I would always want to keep him and JA together. So if you getting rid of him, then maybe Ja is on the move somewhere.

[Bradley Beal]

One more time. Who did you say they were gonna give up? I gotta get this. I need to write this down. What'd you say?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Austin Reeves. With Austin Reeves. Maxi cleaver. The 2031, first round. Give me one more. That's all we got.

[Bradley Beal]

I keep going down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We just empty the roster. We just empty the.

[Bradley Beal]

If you are. If you're that team, you cannot take an All Star. The guys you just named, those aren't All Stars. They're pretty good players, some of them. But Dalton connect just. He just came here for a hot cup of coffee. I like what. I like what you talk about when you talk about Austin Reed. He's a pretty good player, but I'm a joke. I'M not making that deal. Hell no.

[Jalen Rose]

If you, Memphis, you're not making it. But we don't know what Memphis got. Up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They sleep.

[Jalen Rose]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, it all depends on what is Memphis trying to do because they just took. They just got four first round draft picks for Desmond Bain.

[Jalen Rose]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So are they looking to go back? Are they looking to rebuild? Start this thing all over?

[Bradley Beal]

Are you trying to say this is no other Paul Gasol? Is that what you're trying to say? Memphis is making another Laker. I know you smile on your damn face. That's how they won that. That's how they won that championship with Kobe. Yeah, they stole one then by making that trade. So don't give me this crap about getting a great defender like that or a bag of nipples. I'm sorry, that doesn't work for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Brad, you know what Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka think of Austin Reaves? That's their diamond in the rough. They discovered him. He was an undrafted free agent and he's turned himself every year. He's increased. He averaged 20 points a game this season. They think very, very highly of him and they were very. They're very, very reluctant to put him in any trade. Come on. Excuse me. Unless it gives them a bona fide. A bona.

[Bradley Beal]

Who is going to give up a bona fide guy for Austin Reeves? It's all right. I mean, I'm not down them saying he can't play, but I'm not giving. Also I'm not giving an all star for Austin Reeves. I can't do that. You got to give me a lot more than that. And then you said, well, we give you a first.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They give you a first round pick and don't connect with another first round pick.

[Bradley Beal]

I can't go there like that. No, you got to give me some real players that are coming back to me. If I'm Memphis, I can't. If you, you. If you're Memphis right now, you're destroying your team. You're already doing these in with veins and you talking about job. But you got to keep one piece like that and, and that Jackson dude is. He is. He's too valuable to just give up for nothing.

[Jalen Rose]

You know, uncle over there, he rubbing his hands like this here because he know if the Lakers get Jan Jackson Jr. Man, that could. That can put him in elite company. He know that. He know that.

[Bradley Beal]

That's a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. We gotta show love real for that, man.

[Bradley Beal]

That's. That's the only reason he gives us this Kind of crap when you know this guy, this, this, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, oh, just report the news, Brad. I report the news, Brad. That's all I do.

[Bradley Beal]

Nothing but some shit that he's giving us right now. That's all I did.

[Jalen Rose]

That's all.

[Bradley Beal]

It's a backup. And you're walking around right now in LA with some dogs, and you ain't even got one. No plastic bags sitting all over the lawn. You got to give that up. No, I ain't doing that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Bradley Beal]

Maybe that's true.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, look here, Brad. Y' all team gonna be very different next year. You know that. I know that. And it's not just gonna be because Jayson Tatum is not playing. There are gonna be a lot of changes to that Celtic team.

[Bradley Beal]

I totally agree. I don't know if. I don't think Porzingis is going to be here. I don't know if you're talking about Holiday is going to be here and. Because I think you're going to mash the reset buttons right now because you lost your best player. So.

[Jalen Rose]

Didn't Al Horford. Did my boy Al retire?

[Bradley Beal]

No, man, Al in them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, man, Al gonna make money.

[Bradley Beal]

Al at a health club. I told him that, Joe. I said, oh, he has a damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He.

[Bradley Beal]

He's. He's almost 40 years old. They're paying him about $10 million a year just to stay in shape.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where he going.

[Bradley Beal]

And Al got about five kids at home. Please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ready to do. Hey, Brad, man, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Thank you for joining us during the playoffs. We greatly appreciate it. Hey, come back soon, man.

[Bradley Beal]

I'm gonna come back soon. I enjoyed being with you guys, and I want to. I'm. I'm gonna stand on air. I want you and Ojo out on my podcast, the Cedric Maxwell Podcast. I'm a holla at you because your producer didn't tell you what I wanted to say. So anyway, guys, I enjoyed it. Thank you very much for having me on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, tell me what you like. Tell me, hey, did you get the. Did you get the liquor?

[Bradley Beal]

Got the liquor and already drank it. So we're waiting for. You know, they come to me. I know they said they're gonna send me some merchandises. Joe laid it out the bag, said, yo, man, I got some merchandise. I got some good merch. I didn't get no merch. Yeah, we'll get you some.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Brad. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for joining us. And we got you. I got you cover.

[Bradley Beal]

Have a good.

[Jalen Rose]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate you. I got you, it's no one surprise. Shay was just named Finals MVP. So he's the regular season MVP. Western Conference MVP, Finals MVP. Averaged 30 points, five and a half assists, one. Almost two steals a game, one and a half block shots per game. And he's only 26 years of age.

[Rich Kleiman]

I got a question. I'm glad you just said that. Now think about everything you just named off. He's won a ring already. He was the MVP this season. Now, we talked about this for a very long time all throughout the NBA season. You said you would take Joker of sga.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I still would.

[Rich Kleiman]

Yeah. Would you still take. Would you still. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because Jokic got a ring too. You remember Jokic did all that?

[Jalen Rose]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rich Kleiman]

I want to see if your mind.

[Bradley Beal]

Yeah, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's not. And that's not to take away anything from. From Shay. Yes, sir. He's a phenomenal player. But I mean, you're talking about. I mean, and you like really splitting hairs. So you're looking at Shay, you're looking at Jokic, you're looking at Giannis, I think. I think those are the three best players. Maybe you sprinkle in Luke or something when he's healthy and going. But Shay, I mean, to be 26 years of age, they brought him in. He, you know, kind of learned under Chris Paul. And then they turned the organ Brad. They turned the organization over to a kid that was what, dating two, 23 years.

[Bradley Beal]

But here's the thing. You should say, Shannon, when you just talk to Ocho, the supporting cast, you look at the best supporting cast. At the end of the day, you can look at OKC with the supporting cast. Lou Dork looked like he should have been playing with the Cleveland Browns. The way he was knocking gas, that big body, way he was able to do thing. The big question we're going to talk about, ladies and Lord, gentlemen, is this. You talk about three guys who were the MVPs when they were with the Thunder. They couldn't get it done. Harden, Westbrook in the ring, they couldn't get it done. But now they've gone to a smaller, more effective lineup. Not as big as Stars, but they still won. But those three guys that you talk about, that, that supporting cast, they had that they should have won one or two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They should. They kept. Well, they get let James Harden, you remember they went to the championship, they lost to the Heat, and then the next year, for $5 million, they let James Harden go to the Rockets. And that was kind of the beginning. And we. We're Going to talk about this a little later. Every last one of those guys that started in OKC somehow find a way to get, to get to the Rockets. You know, it started with Hard, then Russ and now kd. So we'll get to that a little later. But you're absolutely right because you look at these two teams, what do they have? Bench play? Their bench players play extremely well. They're a very deep team. You look at Obi topping them play well tonight, but he normally plays well. But you got Matford, he gave you 24, TJ McConnell gave you 16. So that's 40 points. You got 42 points from your bench. You really can't complain like that about that. McConnell just didn't have a good game. He played well offensively, but the turnovers. He had a lot of careless turnovers tonight. He had seven. They had 21. They had seven turnovers in the third quarter when OKC really opened up the game. I mean, because they had a one point lead. And now all of a sudden you start the fourth quarter and you're down 13. So you go from plus 1 to minus 13. And a large part had to do with the turnovers. You lost the turnover battle in that. They did a great job of taking care of it. And you know, this is how OKC played. They are very active with their hands, especially at home. That crowd is raucous and you just got careless with the basketball. OKC this season, number one in net rating, number two all time. First in defensive rating, third in offensive rating, second, youngest championship team in NBA history, only behind the 1977 Portland Trail led by.

[Bradley Beal]

You didn't mention one guy who was particularly effective in that thing and it was really Alex Caruso. Nobody's going to talk about the bald eagle. I know, Shannon, that hurts you because it used to be a faker over there within. But Alex Caruso was huge for them defensively. Offensively, he is able to shut the door and really contain guys. And he made that extremely tough for them, especially talking about those steals. He was part of that steal thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every player of us.

[Jalen Rose]

Hey, hey, Unk. Brad. I think y' all make great points, especially about they bench. You know, the others they play well, obviously, you know, the more likely, whoever bench plays well, they team win. But to me, if you look at Che Holbridge, I think he was averaging 11 points throughout this. Throughout this final run tonight. He had 18 points, eight rebounds, five blocks, and he was 6 for 8 from the field. Very efficient. So probably his best game of the fight. Yep, he Plays well, plus Shay and you got Williams playing well. It's hard to beat them. They just hadn't got consistent play from Check Holmgrid, you know what I mean? So if he give them five blocks, he giving you 18 to 22 points a night. And I think that's his next, that's his next ceiling to where he can be consistent on a night to night basis with these guys. That's what's going to make him a dynasty and make them hard to be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know, think about this. Indiana.

[Jalen Rose]

Yeah.

[Bradley Beal]

Okay, Joe.

[Rich Kleiman]

Nah, that. Hey, hey, hold on. Hey, before you go, cornbread, I mean, Joe, listen, you talk about dynasty right now, after, after. The one way to have a dynasty, right, is to be able to keep your core group, group of guys together. Now they just won a championship. Now what happens if you have players that deserve and want to get paid, that don't want to stay there?

[Jalen Rose]

No, no, no.

[Rich Kleiman]

Shay getting ready to get paid. So players are going to leave. So how you, how you going? How you gonna say dynasty?

[Jalen Rose]

I don't get that feeling from OKC and those guys, they look nice clothes group. And I think when you win Ocho, you have to go on a luxury tax. You know, everybody gets paid. You know what I mean? They're a small market, but the fact that they done won. You mean to tell me you gonna let one of these cornerstone guys get out of here?

[Bradley Beal]

You can't. You know, it's good, it's good to say, Joe, but them dead presidents, they change your mind about the kind of 15 they ain't looking at. They, they, they might think that, they might say that, but when you're talking about that luxury taxes, you're paying a guy 10 million, but now it projects out that you're paying them 30 million a year. Now teams get a chance in their mind sometimes they have. They might want to pull back. I just like that when you talk about dynasties. I'm going to go just last year, what people said about the Celtics, the Celtics are going to win the championship again with Tatum and Brown and all those players. What happened? They didn't win. This is, this is what. And the NBA loves it. And the fact that you have different teams winning championships because it promotes all this just equilibrium among the teams.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The fans don't like it though. The fan. Because the thing is, Brett, the fans in the NBA are different than the fans of the NFL because small market team Pittsburgh, small market. But they got ravenous fans and they've been cheering for the Steelers for 50, 60 years. Green Bay, small market, been cheering up to here. The NBA don't have that. You got to go la, you got to go New York, you gotta go Boston, you gotta go to these, Chicago, these massive markets to get a following. Because if not it's just regional. Because think about it, your grandfather rooted for the Steelers and so when he had kids and they moved away, they don't live in Pittsburgh, they're somewhere else. But they're still Steelers fans. Green Bay, they don't live in Green Bay. They're still Packer fans though. The Cowboys, they just. So that's how it has to be. But I think the thing is what the NBA can do, the players, the team. Ocho, that you're on, Joe and Brad, you know this. Yeah, I can give you that extra. I can give you that fifth year. I get. Hey, you go somewhere else, you only go get four. I can give you five fully guaranteed. Now do you want four years at 160 or do you want five years?

[Bradley Beal]

Chad, do you say that about small market teams? Olympia, what was Miami, is that a small market? And let's talk about San Antonio, was that a small market? Those are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they don't got no ratings.

[Bradley Beal]

And the ratings for those ratings were terrible.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go look at, look at San Antonio brand. Look at San Antonio when they play. Look. And they had great. Look at Duncan, you had Robinson, you had Parker, you had Ginobili. It's different. NFL market, small markets versus NBA.

[Rich Kleiman]

I gave you that.

[Bradley Beal]

But I look at Miami. Is Miami a small market?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, it's, it's not like, like when I look at small markets, I'm looking at like Indy, I'm looking at, I'm looking at like people would.

[Bradley Beal]

Rather go right now. And you talking about people. That was some of the most fair weather fans I ever saw in my life. Who go to the, who went to the Miami game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah, for sure.

[Jalen Rose]

Oh.

[Bradley Beal]

Marcus left the game early. Ocho, they left the game early. And then when Ray Allen had shot, they wanted to get the ass back, come back in. Don't tell me about the damn small market and your loyalty and this heat culture. I believe what Shannon said.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Brett, Brett, but you know how this work now. It's same thing with la. If you don't win them fans not coming because there's too much to do. See, when there's only. Let me ask you a question. What else are you going to do in okc? What else are you going to do in Indy besides go to a damn basketball game and watch the Indianapolis 500. So now in Miami, I got the beach, I got South Beach. I got so much I can do la, Brad, you know how much is going on. So if you don't win in those markets. Oh, bro, I ain't coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rich Kleiman]

Listen, the only people that will go. We talk about hardcore fans, fans that you win or losing, that they will die and ride by you whether you win or losing. But when it comes to Miami or with any of the big market teams, the new, the new New York, la's, the Miamis, maybe, maybe Chicago.

[Bradley Beal]

Chicago.

[Rich Kleiman]

Oh, Chicago, another one. And the fans ain't coming. They're not sitting through that. They're not spending their hard earned money. Especially in this goddamn economy. The economy messed up and we losing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, it says small markets. New Orleans, okc, Milwaukee, San Antonio, Utah, Indiana, Charlotte.

[Bradley Beal]

Hey, does that change?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Marcus, we talk about TV markets now.

[Rich Kleiman]

I got you. Hey, Unc, I have a question too. Yes, would. Okay, like where people always want to go and play, no matter what? They love to go play in Houston, they love to go play in Miami, they love to go and play in la. Does the Thunder and FGA winning the championship, does that attract suitors from the outside wanting to go play in okc?

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's only one thing. What else am I going to do there if I don't go? So what other pro sporting event can I go to in Oklahoma City besides see in Miami? I can go. Can I go see something? Can I see football?

[Rich Kleiman]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I see.

[Bradley Beal]

Go to the rodeo, Shanley. Go to the next rodeo, the black rodeo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause remember San Antonio happened to hit the road every year, Fred. Cause they got the, what you call them coming, the rodeo coming through Indiana. So it's like Milwaukee. What else are you gonna do in Milwaukee besides go see the Bucks play? Go to the Harley Davidson Museum. So there's only. I mean, when people have families and kids, they don't just want to like. Hey, hey, babe, I'm home. What are we gonna do tonight? Everything boarded up. I mean, you got kids, they wanna do stuff. And if it's cold, they can't do anything. After September, they inside.

[Bradley Beal]

How did Pittsburgh get such a follower since it's such a small market? And you talk about the NFL, but how did they do it, considering that's a hell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gonna do Pittsburgh late at night?

[Bradley Beal]

Well, what you gonna do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nothing. Nothing. You got the Pirates. You got the Pirates, you got the Steelers. And when the Steelers came up, the Steelers. Think about the early 70s. They dominated. And so now they're putting that imprint on you, man. The Steelers, man, the Steelers. The Steelers. The Steelers. And so kids that had kids, they grew up Steelers fans. I grew up a Steelers fan. My mom was a Steelers fan. Cause they always on tv. Same thing with the Raiders. Oakland. Oakland. Small, but hey, that's all you saw. And so once you got a page and you had kids, what do kids do? Take you to the game? Hey, they got a Cubs jersey on or they got a Celtics jersey on. And so you just. It just passes down. Passes down. I like it. Look, Brad, you said the NBA like this, but we've seen. We haven't seen anything like this. Seven consecutive different champs. We haven't seen anything like this.

[Bradley Beal]

Ratings for this particular series.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They weren't Love Island. Love island got better ratings. I'm gonna keep it a stack with y' all, man. I'm just saying, hey, it was a good series. Hey, Chad, don't get upset with me, Chat. But I'm just saying, love, love that, Fred. That really happened. Let me give you a stat right here, J Dub. This season, he was an all star, all defense, all NBA. And he's a champion. He's the youngest player since Kobe Bryant to achieve all four of those in the same season. This is what Scottie Pippen said about Jalen Williams. I don't even want to put a cap on him and say that he's going to be me. I see him being greater, if I can say that just because where the game is today, they have offensive freedom. We didn't have that. We mostly ran out of us out of a system. These guys have the freedom to shoot the three balls and do things of that nature. Players are playing in today's game have a chance to be better than players in the past because of the ability to shoot the ball. Wow. Wow. Somebody said it. Oh, never mind. But anyway, if this kid continues to shoot the three ball the way he shoots, I'm going to sit here and say. And argue with nobody and say he can't. He can compare to us because you can't. He wins.

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[Bradley Beal]

I, I, I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead Joe. Let, let, let your chime in first. Then you go Brandon then oh, I hear what you got to say Joe.

[Bradley Beal]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, my bad.

[Jalen Rose]

I agree with Pippen saying because back in his day, you know they played with two traditional bigs and now, now in today's game, especially okc, they don't have nobody posting up. Seriously, you know those guys are picking pop guys and J Dub and Shay, they kind of get the, they get free will as opposed to when they shoot how they want to shoot so they can give it to you however they want. I think the game is a lot more wide open now and yes they do have a lot more freedom than guys had back when Scotty was playing.

[Bradley Beal]

Joe, I think the game is tailor made for you right now because it is an ISO game. It is a one on one game and if you are a guy can put the ball on the floor, you can score from the outside, it's almost impossible to stop you. During the time that I played when we had Mikael, Parrish, myself, Bird, we were post up guys and we stayed right on that block. So we, you didn't, we weren't trying to trick you. We're just going to beat the hell out of you in the damn post. Nobody does that anymore Shannon anymore. It's a dead game. So because of that the game has changed so much in a way. And Scotty, I appreciate Scotty giving up like that but I tell you what, I like Z and this Joe and Ocho and I would love to see what would happen if he'd been playing during the 80s when guys were throwing his ass to the ground. All this he getting you up in the air, faking you doing all this stuff. Do you know how Detroit played like that? Detroit used to play two fouls. One guy would hit you, the other guy free.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Bradley Beal]

You know a joke that gave the other guy freedom to knock the hell out of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, so.

[Bradley Beal]

So it would take another special guy and I'm not taking away from what Shay does, I'm really not. But I'd like to see what he'd do with hand checking. Joe, the era you played In I'd like to see what he would do right now when it came to hard fight. Then you see some of these fouls they call the day the guy said laker and foul when the guy rushed him and hit him. And during my particular era, they would have laughed at your ass. Like frankly, no, no. But you ain't bleeding. One of your eyes ain't now. Oh, Joe, if you ain't, if you ain't missing the toque or nothing, you won't believe from the notes, they won't call on that. So I would love to know how Shay. I'm not taking away anything from him, no hatred at all. But I love to see how he played during the physical game the way it was played during that time.

[Rich Kleiman]

Hey, right. I like what Pippa said. Joe and Brad, I like, I like what he said. But the funny thing about it is there are certain players, regardless of era, regardless of error based on skill set and DNA and what they bring to the table in that specific era with regards to what area you put certain individuals in, they're going to succeed regardless of how the game, whether it's in the 80s, whether it's in the 90s, whether it's in the 2000s or whether it's now. A player like SGA, he will thrive, he will still thrive and just adapt to the circumstance and environment and the style of playing which they played if he was in the 80s or in the 90s when they were a lot more physical. The same thing goes for Pippin. It's hard to compare errors. You really can't do it. You can't era.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uncle. When you play, the rule changes. The rule change.

[Rich Kleiman]

Exactly the rule changes. Obviously you think about the game of basketball, right? Everything is ISO now. Back then, the Jordan era, the Pippin era, they played with two bigs.

[Bradley Beal]

Unk. Back in your day. Unk.

[Rich Kleiman]

God damn. Look at the yards you got. You got a goddamn jack, you got a bus in the hall of Fame and goddamn Canton.

[Bradley Beal]

Right.

[Rich Kleiman]

And you played during the running game era.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Rich Kleiman]

Imagine if you play right now, you in your prime and they throwing the ball 20 million times every goddamn game.

[Bradley Beal]

You're laughing like you about to get damn it paid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey. I see, I see them guys making tight ends making 17, 18 a year. I do see that. Hey, I mean, just goes to show you just how well the Thunder play defense. Indiana shot the ball better from the field, better from the three point line, better from the free throw line, and they out rebound them. But they had one glaring station. They triple the BU turnovers, 21 to 7. That is the difference in the ball.

[Bradley Beal]

Turnovers will kill you in any game you play. And I don't care what sport it is, they play football, you turn that ball over, you play basketball, you turn it over, and it's going to be a recipe for you to lose because those are wasted opportunities. A lot of people laughed when they talked about the self excuse, the threes. And I talked to Joe Missoula about this. He said, max, I'd rather for him to shoot the three than turn the damn ball over, because therefore you wouldn't get a shot opportunity. And I'm like, damn, that does make sense, though. You. At least you shoot it. You get an opportunity to go in. But when you turn the ball over in a live situation, your defense is lopsided going back the other way, and it just kills you. And you can see it hurt Indiana all day long. TJ McConnell, who's a smart player. Joe, they surprised me when he crossed the court that time at half court.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he got double and he punched the ball out. Yeah, I know they're playing that, but.

[Bradley Beal]

You'Re smaller than that. It's a point guard. You ain't supposed to cross that line.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Up getting pinned on the sideline. He got kept. He kept getting pinned in the corner. He's only so tall. So when they come with a double team, he's not getting out of that because he can't.

[Jalen Rose]

Hey, look, you had to know that he was going to make some mistake. Guys, they asked an awful lot of him, you know, when went down. So he probably. He ain't accustomed to play since the first quarter. Tyrese went down the first quarter, and now TJ had to step in and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be big guy against the starters. He ain't going against their backups now. Now he's going against J Dub. He's going against Door. He's going. He's in there with the trees with Chad. So it's a. You're asking him to do. You asking him to beat tj But I need more of that from you, and I need you to give it to me against their ones.

[Bradley Beal]

Joe. Let me. Let me ask you this, Joe. What happened to some of them players you used to play with when you were playing on your team? And they be talking all that shit and then they get in the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It'D be a real game.

[Bradley Beal]

You go, man, what happens?

[Jalen Rose]

Hey, hey, listen, listen.

[Bradley Beal]

Oh, that damn question's too much.

[Jalen Rose]

Hey, hey, hey, look. Hey, Brian Ocho, let me tell y' all something. I was in college, man, I'm telling you. When I first got to campus, I wanted to play in the hype. That's where everybody used to play at. And I had dudes on my team, bro, who averaged 2.3 points a game. Who in the hype looking like Jordan. But once that popcorn go to pop and them lights come on, I'm like, damn, what happened? Yeah, it ain't the same no more. It ain't the same when them lights.

[Bradley Beal]

Come on that pop Ocho said the right thing. It's DNA based. It is for some people and it's showing for some other people. Because when them damn big likes come on and they damn. Put a little bit more butter on the damn popcorn, some of these people gonna fold like a damn cheap. That's what they're gonna do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's funny that y' all say that, because my freshman, we had a guy, they were roommates, and one of the guys was a starter, wide receiver. His roommate go tell the coach. He like, coach, if you gave me some run, I can catch just as good as my roommate. I can catch just as good as this guy. Sure enough, coach put him in the game. Dropped everything. He threw him. Coach, after the game, he say, son, you came to my office and tell me you better than Barney. We put you in the game. He put him on class. Your roommate, I'm better than him. You done told the coach I'm better than my roommate. Yeah, he put you in the game. You lay an egg and then the coach called you out in front of everybody in. Your roommate sitting there looking at you.

[Bradley Beal]

Like, sure, call him out. You should call him out. You go, all that talking, all that damn noise. Oh, Joe, you've seen enough of that. All them damn guys backing you up. We used to tell guys in practice sometimes, what the hell you following me like that?

[Rich Kleiman]

You ain't gonna be playing. Yeah, hey, listen, I don't. I don't think. I don't think people understand how difficult it is. It's one thing to be playing in the park. It's one thing to be having fun, recreational with your friends. But I'm somebody at the highest level, Bread dough and unc. I'm talking about at the highest level when them lights turn on. Especially if you are talking you as a talker, Joe. If you're a talker and you got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To back it up, you got to back it up.

[Rich Kleiman]

Now, I don't think you understand how much pressure that is. And obviously, when you see the finished product on A Sunday you'd be like, well, damn, they make it look easy. But what you don't get to see is all the work these motherfucking got to put in before time. He prosecuted on Sunday, it just look easy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Bradley Beal]

But, you know, but. But out of the four of us right now on air, three of us I know talked a lot of shit. I know Shannon did. Ocho, I know you did, and I know I did. But Joe didn't say nothing. Joe just played. He played the game and gave you his ass. That's what he's gonna do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I gotta let you know.

[Bradley Beal]

Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, let your. Let your work speak for itself. No, I was at my work speak and I will speak. My work can't talk, but I can I tear your ass up tonight. Hey, hey, they work.

[Jalen Rose]

Hey, hold up. That work can say volumes now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you impact terrible. You gonna be in the waiver while you tomorrow.

[Bradley Beal]

I got for you, Shannon. This was my best story. I was playing against the Lakers and we had some. Some of them guys over there, Larry Spriggs and some of these guys really hadn't played that much. And they were screaming and yelling at me and I was taking the ball out. So I was about to get the ball from the referee and I said, hold up a minute. He said, hold up. He said, what do you want? I said, pat Riley was standing beside me. I said, pat, put one of them motherfuckers in down there. Pat Riley turns around going, hey, you going the game. This guy comes in the game to guard me. I score about 10 quick points and going out the game, I said, next time you'll sit. Sit your ass down and be quiet. I love Pat Raleigh for that. I love that. I appreciate it. All the damn talking. You doing like running your damn mouth over here.

[Jalen Rose]

You ain't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't.

[Bradley Beal]

You should just be quiet and watch the damn game. Gallop. Free ticket. Shut up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We had three stars go down in the postseason with Achilles. Dame Lillard went down first. Jason Tatum went down next, and then Tyrese Halliburton. They all were the number zero. Jeff Stotts tweeted if Halliburton deed and tear Achilles, which he did, that would be the eighth Achilles tear this season. The previous high was five in 14:15. That does not include the Nassis Anetokounmpo who tore his in the offseason, or prospect Jaylen Moore who injured his in a recent pre draft workout. Unbelievable. So hold on. That's who Tom Haberstroke James Wiseman and Isaiah Jackson, two of theirs too, right? So what is. Joe, Brad, you guys played. I heard people saying, man, it's the low top shoes. But boy, with the way technology is now, ain't nobody was tearing no Achilles with them Chuck Taylors. Now they got all this technology. What's going on with the Achilles, Joe?

[Bradley Beal]

I think it's this, Joe. I believe the fact that these guys never rest. The guys you named Tatum played in the Olympics last year, never had an opportunity to rest. Halliburton played in the Olympics, never had an opportunity to rest. We know what Dame does. He plays all this basketball because you don't rest your body. Shannon, Ocho. Joe, your damn body is going to rest you one way or the other. And it might be the Achilles. And you remember that Achilles is one of those things. How do you really protect it? Because you can stretch it and do it, but you can't build it up like one of these strong muscles. Something happens.

[Jalen Rose]

Yeah, it's.

[Rich Kleiman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jalen Rose]

Go ahead, Ocho, go ahead.

[Rich Kleiman]

I'm gonna say I see a lot of comments, a lot of people talking about, oh, you know, people are wearing low top shoes and, and I mean, listen, having a high top shoe is not, not going to prevent that. It's not going to prevent that. That's something that's, that's on the interior. And listen, it just happens. It just happens. Why it happened, I'm not sure. Obviously, we know Hallie had had an injury. I'm not sure if the compensation for that area caused that, the keys to rupture, but it's just unfortunate that it is happening. But I keep seeing the comments about, oh, it's because the low had nothing to do with low top shoes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't believe so either.

[Rich Kleiman]

High top shoe ain't fixing that. It's not.

[Jalen Rose]

Yeah, I don't, I don't think so neither. Brie, you could be right. It could be the wear and tear on these guys. But if y' all listen to Hallan Burton after game five, he said that this will probably. If this was regular season, this would be a two week, you know, layoff for him. He would be out for at least two weeks. And the fact that you can't get that and you can't get that kind of rest when you have those calf injuries, man, I hate to say it, but this is the next thing that comes from it. You know, when you look at all the guys from, excuse me, Durant, whether it was Dame, they all had these calf injuries and you know, you Playing in the post season, you want to try to beat up for your team and give them everything you got. And honestly, it just becomes too much. It just becomes too much because the game is idled at such a high level. Playing in the finals, like, bro, like, you ain't. You ain't gonna get no rest on that, like. Cause we gonna test it every play down court, every play offensively, he trying to get to the rack, he trying to make a play. You gotta push off on that. So I just think it was unfortunate for him, man. I hate it for him too, man.

[Bradley Beal]

I mean, but who is gonna. Who's gonna make that call, though? Who's going to make that call for you to sit down? Because you know it's not going to be the player because your teammate. Because we know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's not going to be the coach either, because I'm trying to win.

[Bradley Beal]

Your teammates are looking at you, you know, halfway, like, yo, man, wrap that shit up. We got to go, we got to go. So I don't know how you prevent that when it gets down to players and what they're able to do. A lot of times you said during the regular season, Joe, what would have happened? Only thing I think can happen is if you have an independent doctor that has to look at players when they have the injury. That's the only way you can sit them out and protect them. Because you can't protect the player from himself in those situations. Because he's going to want to go. He's going to want to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question, Brian. Who playing for that independence? Because if the team paying for it, it ain't independent. Wow. If you playing for it, they keep saying, oh, it's independent. Somebody got to pay because he ain't doing no. Dodgers don't do pro bow work unless there are doctors. Borders out of service.

[Bradley Beal]

But other than that, with the Bill Walton trade, that happened with me and Bill Walton, I passed it. I didn't really pass the test in LA when I went there, but when Bill Walton got to Boston Red hard back below the little smoke and said, bill, you pass. His damn knee wasn't as good as your grandma's knee way back, but the power of coaches GMs at that time is so different than this. So I don't know how you protect the player from himself right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this, guys. Is it a situation? Because now guys are so specialized, Guys play. All they play is basketball, all they play is baseball. All they play is football. So you get no End up. So all you're doing is you're stressing that. And then you got these tournaments. Joe, they play basketball year round. Yeah, I'm like, damn. I thought everything was a season. I thought football had a season. I thought basketball had a season. I thought baseball had a season. I thought track had a season. They do all this stuff year round.

[Jalen Rose]

And that's why us as Americans, the basketball Hoopers, nowadays, we're behind because all we do is play, play, play. And the guys overseas, they teaching the game. They teaching these dudes the game at a young age versus just throwing them out there. Now, man, listen, we in a whole total era to where now, Ocho Red. Hey, look, if I want y' all to play on me, okay, look, I got a hundred grand for y' all this song, man. I need y' all to come play with me. That's all these people care about. They ain't trying to develop. They ain't developing, these kids and teaching them really how to play the game. So therefore, as they get to the next level, whether it's college or pro, a lot of them be lost. And you don't really hear about them no more, because it takes time. Cause when you get to a team and you not the man, and you have to learn how to play, and you have to learn how to star in a role, and you ain't never had to do that. Oh, man, you lost in the sauce.

[Bradley Beal]

Oh, yeah. That's about as true as it gets. I hadn't thought about it, but over in Europe, the skill set that they teach with the three points and the Euro step and all this, they have that down before they get here. Our players utilize one thing. It was Duncan and the foot speed. That's it. And you can't utilize that the whole time. You have to push down the back burner. So I think you are 1000% correct when it comes to. But, well, but it's AAU basketball that was. Killed a lot of that damn kid going. I never seen a damn kid in the damn sixth grade go to damn California from North Carolina, play some damn basketball.

[Jalen Rose]

I couldn't. I couldn't go.

[Bradley Beal]

I couldn't go across the damn street, get to the other side of town.

[Jalen Rose]

Hey, look.

[Bradley Beal]

Damn plays at 6 and 7.

[Jalen Rose]

Hey, when I was growing up, man, we played AAU ball. I played for the Arkansas Rockets pretty much my entire AAU season to the last year I played with the Arkansas Hawks. And these were all guys straight out of Arkansas, bro. Now, you get guys, they gonna be from somewhere Everywhere. They probably ain't gonna even know each other until they get together to get ready to play, you know what I mean? So that's, that's the biggest difference.

[Bradley Beal]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Brad, when we are coming up, play. What? Oh, you better get. You gotta work into something. You gotta buy. Hey, but see, I wanted. We were so poor, I wore summer clothes year round. Some of my brothers, some of my cousins, some of my folks.

[Jalen Rose]

Hey, hold on, hold on. We were working too, man. We, we. When I. When I was young, playing for aau, man, we threw so many swim parties, car washes, tipping raffles. Man, we did okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Rich Kleiman]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta fettles, but get a deal too.

[Jalen Rose]

Joe.

[Bradley Beal]

Wait a minute, let me. Hold on. You and Joe. I know you guys have some, that you have a Sunday suit. Don't tell me that.

[Rich Kleiman]

Oh yeah, everybody had a Sunday suit.

[Bradley Beal]

And some suit that we could go church in on Sunday. So we have something else special, the volume.

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