Nightcap Hour 1: Shai & Chet TAKE DOWN the Knicks + JJ Redick DOWNPLAYS CONFRONTATION With Luka + Celtics ANTICIPATING Jayson Tatum’s RETURN + Iso Joe AGREES with Max Kellerman that MJ could average 40-Point TRIPLE DOUBLE + Mr. Tendernism JOINS Nightcap

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 – March 5, 2026

Host: Shannon Sharpe (Sean)

Guests: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, Joe Johnson (Iso Joe), Walter Johnson (Mr. Tendernism)

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Overview

This lively episode of Nightcap features deep NBA and NFL conversations, locker room banter, and a delicious deep dive into barbecue culture. Shannon Sharpe hosts alongside Chad Ochocinco and Iso Joe, tackling hot basketball topics—OKC's decisive victory over the Knicks, JJ Redick/Luka Doncic sideline dynamics, Jayson Tatum’s injury return calculations, and the legacy of Michael Jordan in today's game. Plus, a flavorful segment with pitmaster and catchphrase king Walter Johnson ("Mr. Tendernism") mixes culinary storytelling with camaraderie.

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Main Topics & Highlights

1. Friendly Banter & Health Updates (06:54–08:49)

• Hosts tease each other about old injuries, impending medical procedures, and visiting Atlanta for a Hawks game.
• Shannon discusses knee surgery:
  “We’re not going to leave it as is. It’s painful and I’m not taking any pain medicine for that. So we’ll get it...then your boy be out there running again.” (07:50)
• Ocho jokes about vision and playing with one eye since the 90s.

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2. Thunder vs. Knicks Recap (10:45–16:41)

Game Breakdown:

• OKC’s Win Over New York
• Chet Holmgren: 28 pts (career-high 6 3s), 8 rebounds.
• Shai Gilgeous-Alexander: 26 pts, 122nd consecutive 20+ pt game—approaching Wilt’s record.
• Emphasis on OKC's stifling defense and young roster molding into potential dynastic form.

Key Quotes:

• Joe Johnson (11:12):
  “They play defense...defense is what fuels the offense. The better Chet Holmgren gets, the better this OKC team will be, leading them to be a dynasty—winning multiple championships.”
• Sean (14:06):
  “You get easy runouts when you turn your opponent over—everyone's bought in.”

Team Identity & Future

• OKC’s defense and chemistry as vital factors.
• Concern about keeping the group together as players chase bigger contracts after potential championships.

Memorable Moment:

Joe Johnson predicts some role players might even "take a pay cut" for more rings, but Sean counters: “At some point...I’m 26 and someone’s about to drop me $70 million. Now it’s about securing my family.” (16:41)

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3. The Reality of Sideline Confrontations: JJ Redick & Luka Doncic (25:04–32:15)

Incident Recap:

• Video shows Redick and Luka exchanging words after Luka is subbed out.
• Ocho and Joe compare to their own playing days—athletes universally hate being taken out when feeling “in rhythm”—and the tension is deemed completely normal.

Key Quotes:

• Joe Johnson (26:04): “That's normal, bro. You walk over there with a little attitude...you come back, you like, ‘Man, damn.’”
• Sean (29:43): “The last thing you want is to leave [a star] in, already up 30. He gets hurt—everyone says, ‘Why was he in the game?’”

Notable Discussion:

• Coaches are always aware of individual stat chases, but the playoffs must take priority over personal milestones.

Memorable NFL Tie-In:

• Ocho talks about refusing to come out in preseason games, echoing the desire to "catch that rhythm." (26:52–27:38)

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4. Celtics’ Anticipation of Jayson Tatum’s Return (41:07–51:43)

The Dilemma:

• Tatum recovering from Achilles tear; team faces decision: bring him back for a playoff push or protect his long-term health.
• Joe:
  “He’s probably going to give it a chance…I think even a couple of [the role players] may take a pay cut just to stick around…”
• Ocho:
  “I would chill the rest of the season, maybe come back during the playoffs.”

Risks & Return Timelines:

• Intensity of playoff basketball could be dangerous for a recently healed Achilles.
• Medical advances compared:
  “Surgery that took 75 minutes back in the 90s is now a 15–20 minute procedure—mostly robotic now.” (45:59)
• All agree: nothing replaces game-speed, playoff intensity.

Memorable Quotes:

• Joe (45:03): “If he's able to come back, they gonna take him. That window of opportunity is there.”
• Ocho: “It could mess up the continuity, the rhythm of the team...kinda iffy to me.” (44:02)

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5. Could Michael Jordan Average a 40-Point Triple Double Today? (52:48–62:32)

Debate: Max Kellerman vs. Rich Paul

• Max says MJ would average a 40-point triple double today; Rich: “These kids today aren't bowing down to nobody.”

Panel's Thoughts:

• Joe Johnson: “I agree with Max. The cream always rises. I do think MJ would average about 40 in this era.” (53:21)
• Sean: “40 points, I give you that. But a triple double? That's the tough part.”

Discussion Themes:

• Modern players’ skills, ball sharing, and reluctance to concede touches.
• Triple-double difficulty for guards (rebounding/chasing assists).
• Midi vs. three-point evolution in the NBA; analytics’ effect.

Key Quotes:

• Sean (59:03): “To average a triple double as a guard, you gotta chase down a lot of loose balls...that’s a lot of effort!”
• Joe Johnson (63:27): “Great scorers, they got everything in their arsenal...they call them four-level scorers.”

Memorable Moments:

• Extended playful trash talk between Ocho and Joe about who’d win one-on-one:
  Ocho: “It really ain’t finna be that.”
  Joe: “You ain’t gonna be able to do nothing with this hip-hop, yo. You too little.” (64:41–65:04)

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6. Special Guest: Mr. Tendernism on Barbecue, Hustle & Positivity (69:40–90:58)

Introduction:

Walter Johnson, aka Mr. Tendernism, joins to share his journey from running a coffee shop to starting a popular smokehouse and coining his signature style: "tendernism."

Highlights:

• Entrepreneurial Hustle:
  Started as a gumbo cook, turned coffee shop into a smokehouse, teaches the difference between barbecue and grilling.
• Philosophy:
  “You don’t need no teeth for the meat—that’s tendernism.” (75:40)
• Travels:
  Does pop-ups nationwide; elaborates on possible new ventures in Texas and Atlanta, and invites the crew to taste his oxtails, brisket, and more.

Cultural Camaraderie:

• Jokes about family, roots in Gary, Indiana, and South Side Chicago.
• Playful exchange about BBQ techniques and Home Depot smokers (“Just go get that...call me up and I'll come over and get busy.” 82:13)
• "I want to come down there on the show since you're not so far away. You down there in Las Vegas, boy. Look at him." (87:18)

Memorable Quotes:

• “Hey man, you can have them all. I just be that uncle.” – Walter, about cooking for Ocho’s “27 kids.” (79:37)
• “When I roll that oxtail, man...it came off like an orange. I knew it’s on something, and I said, oh, look at him. That tendonism.” (77:25)

Positivity & Community:

• Mr. Johnson shares info on his GoFundMe; panel commends him for “talking about what you’re doing, not what’s happened in the past...all positivity.” (86:48)

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Noteworthy Quotes & Moments

• On Player Loyalty vs. Chasing the Bag:
  “At some point...I’m 26 and someone’s about to drop me $70 million. Now it’s about securing my family.” – Sean (16:41)

• On Modern NBA Culture:
  “It’s easy to say they respect Jordan now because he’s retired...these kids, they did these kids different now, Joe.” – Sean (54:35)

• On Analytics and Shooting:
  “A 15-foot two point shot is a bad shot now. Damn.” – Sean (62:58)

• Mr. Tendernism’s Motto:
  “You don’t need no teeth for the meat, that’s right.” – Walter (75:40)

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Important Timestamps

• OKC vs. Knicks Breakdown: 10:45–16:41
• JJ Redick/Luka Incident & Coaching Relations: 25:04–32:15
• Jayson Tatum Return Discussion: 41:07–51:43
• MJ in Modern Era Debate: 52:48–62:32
• Mr. Tendernism Segment: 69:40–90:58

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Overall Tone & Atmosphere

• The show blends expert sports analysis, personal storytelling, and joyous cultural banter.
• Hosts riff off each other with playful trash talk, genuine respect, and occasional friendly roasting—all rooted in camaraderie and deep knowledge.
• Mr. Tendernism brings a soulful, comedic, and uplifting vibe, capping the episode with a celebration of community, hustle, and the pride of good food.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• The Nightcap crew delivers informed, witty discourse on NBA news—lacing highlights and hot takes with personal anecdotes and broader reflections on the business and psychology of pro sports.
• The episode’s latter half centers around food, tradition, and family, driven by the infectious energy and storytelling of Walter “Mr. Tendernism” Johnson.
• Whether you care most about hoops, NFL throwbacks, or the secrets to fall-off-the-bone barbecue, this episode offers flavor, laughs, and insight.

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[Joe Johnson]

What's happening? What's happening, fellas?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you know what?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I just.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's up? What'd they do? Hey, Joe, you can hear me?

[Joe Johnson]

What's happening?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah, hey, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, I've been in the lab, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What you been doing?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, don't worry about it. Just get. Get that knee together, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Get that knee together. Why?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Okay.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I'm gonna let you know. Oh, hey, I booked my ticket too. I'm letting you know ahead of time. I booked my ticket for March 16th. I'm gonna be in on the 15th, so we can go to the Hulk game.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that? That's the Magic City night.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You trying to do something about Tucson?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I thought you said. I thought you said we can.

[Joe Johnson]

I already booked. I'm gonna make. I'm gonna make it happen.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Say less.

[Joe Johnson]

I'M gonna make it happen.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. I'm booking my tickets, so, you know, I don't. I frequent Atlanta maybe once a year, so this would be my one time.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, boy. You finna have a good time. What you gonna do?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You man, you know, old, neat old, you know, I'm. If the. If the water don't rise and, you know, don't get too high.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, you.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You've been.

[Joe Johnson]

Have surgery soon.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I went, so what ortho today I got another. I'm gonna get two opinions and see, you know, he said, you know, probably the best thing for is to go in there and get it taken care of, get it scoped, get it sniffed a little bit. 15, 20 minute procedure, and we'll see what the other guy says. And so we're gonna take the best of the two scenarios. The one thing I do know, we're not going to leave it as is. It's painful and I'm not taking any pain medicine for that. So we'll get it. We'll get that thing resolved and then, you know, your boy be out there running again. You know, I'll be out there. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I was gonna ask you a 15, 20 minute procedure. What's the rehab time? Like he said, I'll do that.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I'll be sore for about. About a week, Ocho, because anytime they go into the body.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, that's it.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

No, you're gonna be sore, but it's probably four to five weeks.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, that ain't bad.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

That ain't bad. I go to rehab. He said it's an Internet procedure. So you go in that morning, you'll be out that day. And then I do. I'll start rehab the next day.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. You know what? I need to stop playing around and do unc like. All jokes aside, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I need to get this damn cataract removed out my right eye because I can't see it all. It's even. I couldn't see to begin with. Now cataract has built up so much. My right eye, my whole right side. Great.

[Joe Johnson]

So, hey, I got a question. How in the hell you think you gonna beat me in anything with one eye?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe, I played my whole career with one eye. I had. I only had one eye since 1994.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, I like that you look. One thing about me, I'm gonna use everything to my advantage if, you know

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

you gonna go to my right.

[Joe Johnson]

If my opponent got a weakness, you best believe I'm going at it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But, Joe, that's Not a weakness. I played my whole career with one eye.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You ain't.

[Joe Johnson]

You ain't gonna be able to. You ain't gonna be able to keep up with that with no one eye.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe, you too slow. Joe who you six, eight.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

All right, all right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho, I mean no disrespect, but it's gonna be real funny when they say, God damn, but that Ocho gave a Hall of Famer. That work.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

The Thunder go on the road in Madison Square Garden and take down the Knicks by the score of 103 to 100. Chet Holmgren had 28 points, eight rebounds, the eight. Holgren had a Tata career high with six three pointers. Shay Gilges had 26 points as he continued to streak of at least 20 points. I think it's one hundred and twenty two now. I think he's a couple of games behind Wilt Chamberlain's record, which I think is 124, 126. But they. Chad Hogan had 28. Shay Gill just had 26. Luke Lou do had 16. That rounded out, but they did a great job. The Knicks got a valid scoring, but it was not enough. OG had 16, Carl Anthony had 17, Josh Hart had 10. Uh, Mikhail Bridges had 15, Jalen Brunson has 16 and Landry Shammon had 14. But they shot terrible from the three point line, 10 to 35. Um, and that was really the difference in the ball game. Shea hit a step back three. He only shot one three tonight, Joe. And they put OG on him and he drove to the basket and he snatched pool, let that three go. And that was really the difference in the ball game. Watching this game, Joe, you look at, you can see the Thunder are starting to feel like themselves. They're starting. It looks like they're starting the game some confidence back because they feel our best, the best player in the NBA is on our roster. Now we're fully. They don't have J Dub quite yet, but you can tell they're starting to feel themselves again heading into the playoffs.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, and they're not fully healthy, but they still. They still grinding out wins night in and night out. Fellas, they just beat Chicago last night without Shea. Shay played tonight. The one thing that's glaring for me about okc, Uncle Ocho, they guard, bro. They play defense. If you look at. If you look at the Knicks, their shooting percentages was horrible. Brunson was 5 for 18. OG was 6 for 17. Mikhail Bridges was 6 for 17. These dudes sit down in that chair they move them feet and they guard and they defense is what fuels the offense. Now they do have a guy in Shay who can get to the bucket, get to his spots whenever he want in the game. He just makes the games look easy. But I've said this from, from, from last season, even throughout the playoffs, the better check Holmgregate is, the better this OKC team will be, which can, which can lead them to be a dynasty, meaning winning multiple championships. They look good, man. They're in a great spot. Obviously, you know, coming down to the wide with the season, they get healthy, they, they still gonna be a scary team to deal with in the seven game series. Fellas.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Uncle Joe. Normally, right, when you think about basketball in general, you, you have, every team has his identity. Sometimes it's defense, sometimes it's offense. Most of the time you really don't have a team where on both sides in transition, you're good on offense and defense. How the hell they able to sit in the chair and play defense the way they do and still have the offenses offensive prowess to score at will like they do as well?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

If you look. Go ahead, Joe, go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

They, they in great shape, Ocho, to be able to play both sides of the ball, you, you got to be in shape. Obviously, yes, they one of the youngest teams still in the league. So they cause a multitude of problems. And they, they one of the only teams, like I've been saying, who pick up full court and wear you down in the fourth quarter to where they can still, you know, be fresh.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I think the thing is, Ocho, plus the fact that you look at it, the guys that are really sitting in the chair, those are not your guys that you're counting on to give you 20, 30 a night, shade shake and play defense. But that's what you got Lou Dort for. That's what you got for. That's what you got Casey Wallace for. That's what you got those other guys for. That's what you got a seven foot guy in the backdrop, Chet Holmgren, to check anything that gets past those guys. So we know and they understand this is who we are. Isaiah, Joe. Okay, Chat, I mean, Shay shoot as many times you like. Chet, you're our next guy. Especially now that J Dub isn't there. But when you get J Dub back, you got another guy that can sit in the chair. They go, they can at every point in time in the game, they're gonna have three of their five guys that can sit in the chair.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

That's at the bare Minimum. Now you mess around and go out there with Caruso, and you have Dord out there, and you have Wallace out there, and you have Joe out there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Now you got four to five. J Dub was an all defense. Was an all defensive player. He can play defense. They're loaded. And they say, you know what? We get some really easy shots. We get some easy runouts when we turn you over. So they bought in. No. Everybody understands. I love the fact that when somebody does an interview, everybody's standing around. Now, they might be, hey, check out my outfit. They might be shucking and jiving, but that showed the closeness and the camaraderie that they had. Have. Everybody doesn't have that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

This is a team that's to be reckoned with. As long as everybody understands their role. This is who I am. Hey, Chet. I mean, Chet got a max deal. J Dub got a max deal. Shay got a max deal. Now, we ain't got no more max deals that can come around. Joe, We a. We ain't got no more max deal that can come around. Everybody understand. Now, you're gonna be in a situation where you can win a lot of games and win championships, but somebody, at some point in time, they're going to start picking off those pieces. Like you see in the NBA, NFL. Oh, guys start like, hold on. Yeah, they winning. He's been there. He knows what it's like to win. Let me go get him and see if we can put that in our locker room. But I love the way this team plays. I love the closeness of this team and being a part of a. Being a. A part of a winning culture guys genuinely had. Normally. Normally. I ain't saying this always. Maybe there are situations where guys don't like each other, but all the winning that I've been a part of, guys were really, really close. They did things together. They went to the movies together. They did cookouts together. They went bowling together. They did a lot of things together. Played rogue that played cards. We were constantly going to somebody's house. Be at Baltimore. We was with Ray's house and Buffy. His mom was cooking. Or we was at Endeavor. We was doing things, going to the movies, bowling. This team is close. You can tell they're close. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you can. And that's. I think that helps them, too, on the court. Okay. Ocho. You know, that. That closeness that they have together, you know, spending. Spending a lot of time with each other off the court. But I think just because they got these max contracts, I think these other guys who I would probably call them like fillers for the most part. I don't think. I, I think they all stay. I think even, I think even a couple of them may even take a pay cut just to stick around because of, Just think about it. If they make it to the finals this year or if they even win another title, I mean, now they, they can definitely be amongst history. So I, I can, I can see this team kind of sticking around for, for quite some time.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I think it makes it easier for them to leave. Not Joe, because I got two rings, and somebody's gonna give me five years at 70 million. You see, I, I, at what point in time or, Joe, how many rings do I need? You know, I'm 26 years of age and somebody's about to give, drop me, you know, 70. Let's just say 70 million for, for five years. Somebody's about to give me a hundred million for five years, and I got two rings. Well, I'm, I'm good. Now. It's about, it's about the securing my family to make sure everybody's great for the next 35, 40 years. So we'll see how it plays out. I mean, everybody says, oh, I want to be here. I want to be here. I want to be here. And then somebody like, damn, boy, that's a lot of money, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

They were like, hey, you know what I think? I think ISO might want to stay in Phoenix. Atlanta said, joe, we got this. We got this little package for you over here. Come on. I like Phoenix.

[Joe Johnson]

I got to go.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Let me say. Hey, hold on. What's that? Valley. Paradise Valley. Is that in Paradise Valley, right? They got nice homes out there.

[Joe Johnson]

It's nice out there.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

It's nice scenery. I spent a lot of. You don't talk about your nice scenery.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. It's night. Hey, Ocho. Hey. It's nice you got tb.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah. Scottdale and all that. Yeah. Yeah, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, I had a time when I was out there, you hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But, hey, that's a long way, boy.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

No, right, right. Clothing for me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying, for me, you know, I'm really, I'm really on the West Coast. Just, just think about it. Obviously.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Remember we went to the Super Bowl, Arizona, that goddamn flight, man. Jesus Christ.

[Joe Johnson]

Or from Miami.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Well, everything as far. If you coming back, coming this way from Miami, it's just like everything is far coming this way. If you're on the west coast going east, where there's New York, Jersey, Miami, it's Hell, now it's easy for me to go there because I got the wind at my back.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got the.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, that's a long flight, bro.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Man, I got up and I took me a little quick nap. Go to the bathroom. Four hours.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Four hours.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hell, I felt like I was late for three. Oh, yeah, but that's the part about going overseas. Ocho. I remember we went to Australia. Man, I don't watch four movies. Done took me a nap. We still got 12 hours.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Wait, how long the flight to Australia?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

18 hours.

[Joe Johnson]

That's about how that flight was. We went to China. Yeah. That's a long time to be on a plane.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

What? Lord.

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[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

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[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hello, I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I recently spoke with IBM's new director of research, Jake Ambetta. We discussed his vision for the future of quantum computing at IBM Research. What we always do is answer what is the future of computing? Whether it's coming up with new algorithms, coming up with better AI, coming up with quantum, or coming up with just how do different accelerators go together? It's our DNA. To answer the question of what is the future? Isn't it a perfect problem for IBM because you kind of need to have a legacy of building stuff, building actual physical machines. Yeah, it's why I came to IBM. I wanted the experience, the culture of building hard things that others have not done before. Where do you imagine we are in the timeline of this technology? There will come a point when it will mature, right? Yeah. My cell phone is a mature technology at this point. How far are we from that point with content? By 2029, we'll build the first fault tolerant quantum computer that is one that can run a very, very large, large problem. To learn how IBM is building the future of computing, visit IBM.com quantum.

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[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Redick downplayed his sideline argument with Luka Doncic, saying the exchange was very normal. Video merge emerged showing the international the interaction during a Saturdays 129, 101 win over the Warriors. We got the video. Take a look at this. Joe and Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Boy that that day. That's so reminiscent, boy.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

After being subbed out of the game, Luke avoided Reddick on the sideline, causing the coach to walk after him and Guard exchanged words with him on the bench. After Reddick walked away, Luca jumped up and potentially continue the argument, but Jerry Vanderbilt quickly hopped up, started clapping in front of Luca to de escalate the situation. Joe, how normal is this? Is this very normal? Is this somewhat like what's really going on?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, this is pretty normal. I think he probably what he must have messed up when coach took him out.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

He didn't want to come out. Luca tried to get that score title.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey listen, let me tell y' all something. That's normal, bro. When you're in the game and you mess up and you can't get a chance to get back and he take you out. Yeah, man, you walk over there with a little attitude. You see he want to even shake his hand. Yeah, you know what I mean? That's pretty normal, Uncle Ocho. You know you like, you come back, you like. Man, damn. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, Uncle Joe. I remember I I had same incident. Obviously this is basketball. Obviously that's, that's a meaningful game that they playing. But every time in the preseason. Joe, Joe, when the preseason come, you know the ones hey, they said before the game start, all right, the ones Y' all get one series, and then we all coming out. Man, who you think don't want to come out the game?

[Joe Johnson]

You all.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

All.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Everybody went off the sideline. I'm the only one still on the field, waiting on the tools to come in.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, even. Even if. Even if you didn't caught a pass or not, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, I didn't caught a pass or not. Most of the time. I ain't catch now because they just, you know, it's. They just doing vanilla stuff. Hey, Joe, I done had Coach Lewis. He done had to call a timeout to get me out the game. I refuse. I refuse to come out. I'm coming to the sideline. He walking towards me. I'm going straight to the end of the bench. But, you know, we laugh about it today, man, but I don't think he understood. I needed to be in those preseason games. I just needed. I needed to catch that rhythm. I need to catch that speed of the game just to get my body acclimated to it. Because no matter how much you practice, game day speed is completely different. No matter how much you practice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man. Well, I know that.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I think Luca want to get the crap. Hey, we scored easy. Luca got. Gotta eat. Got a 20 quick, 28 easy. Say, you know what? Yeah, I'm trying to win the scoring title. And so it's games like this here, Joe. Hey, let me go on and get me a little 35. Let me go play an extra three minutes. Let me get me three more minutes, right? And then I'll come sit on the sideline. JJ probably thinking, nah, in that three minutes, a lot can happen. You must rather step on somebody, ankle, somebody hit you, do this and get out of the ball game. Because, you know, right? The thing is, like, when you got it going good, don't you? You know, Joe, you know, you got to go good. And. Yeah, hey, man, you know, you got. You know, you got this many yards. Really, man, I go in there, get me one catch, I'm gonna get one catch. I did this in college. I said, coach. I said, coach, I need. All I need is one catch. I need one catch. I'm gonna have 200. I said, Coach, I'm gonna catch it. I'm gonna go out of bounds. He like, all right, home, we gonna throw you one. He throw me that smoke, right? I faced up down the sideline. I win.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

You were gone.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Do coaches understand especially it might be different when it comes to basketball if Luke is in rhythm, If Luke is hot, maybe JJ's not thinking about him being able to get that scoring title and wanting to come out the game. Don't they have some type of situation or understanding like, let me stay in, like, maybe eye contact while he's. While he's in the game and say, I'm good right now. Just let me. Let me be.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, them coaches be aware. They be aware of what's going on. Oo, don't let them fool you now. Don't let them fool you and think that they don't know what's going on.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

They got people on the sideline that's telling them. So. Hey, Joe, got four. This OO got five files, got two files. So he good. They got people to study, giving you that information. You know exactly what's going on.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey. Oo need 10 more points. He had 20,000 points. Yeah, something like that.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Like, they, they.

[Joe Johnson]

They know, bro. They know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they know. He gonna. They know he in for the scoring title, right? But for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, but, but Joe, if they know he in for the scoring title, why would you take him out? I mean, are they. I mean, whose side they own?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

The thing is, the last thing that you want to have happen, you leave him in there, you already up 30 points. Ocho and Joe and you know what come with it, he must run and get hurt. They gonna say, why was he in the game?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Right?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

And then you go say, okay, I got you. Oh, really? So now you put your. You put. You let a guy put his selfish need trying to win a scoring title over the bigger. The bigger, more important needs, which is the playoffs. So I, I see both sides of the equation. I've been on both sides of the equation. I remember we've played. We playing the Chiefs. Mike took everybody out. They came up there, told Mike she only had 6 for 99. 84. I don't. Took my help strap my shoulder pad. Cause we already beaten K. We already beating.

[Joe Johnson]

We at home.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I already took. Yeah, 84. You back up.

[Joe Johnson]

I was like, huh?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You need a yard for a hundred. Okay, let me get on back. Let me get on back in there. Ojo. Leave me the honey. 100 look better than 99.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right, right, right.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So we're gonna run some simple. We're gonna run that. We're gonna run a boot down flat. Watch the end. Down to the. To the A gap.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Go to the verse. Go to the flat.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Watch the end. Down to the. The. To the A gap. And he don't throw it to me on timing. He Tried to pump, pump. Throws it late. He gets pick.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh,

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

dad. Some boy, man. Mike, Boy Mike turned so red. Oh, I said, lord have mercy. I like, bro, I'm sorry, but you should have thought. You should have threw it to me the first time. But I. But I. But I see both sides of the equation. Because sometimes like when you in a rhythm. Ocho and Joe, you know this in basketball, Joe, when that thing cooking and you could. You can't do no wrong. You shooting off wrong foot. You don't matter what you throwing stuff up there, it's going in and you getting and ones. And everybody knows Luca can heat up. I mean, he don't need to see but a few go into the basket. And that's your ass, is it?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

He still. He first of all. His first shot gonna be a three. He gonna check it. He gonna get that step back. He gonna. He gonna pull. You ain't gonna shoot that. Step back. Don't let him see it. Go in. A couple of them go in now. Cause you got your hands.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, you got your hands.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So I. I understand, but like, you know, JJ just left the game. What, Joe, what, five years ago?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, probably about five.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah. So the thing is with him, he knows you get these guys and then, you know, you give these guys a little leeway. Just not like you wouldn't dare do no stuff like them old school, like a Phil or Pat Riley, that. Stuff like that. Oh, no, they ain't going for that.

[Joe Johnson]

Even, even. Even Unc said when he was in college, his coach let him go. Nolan Richard ain't having none of that. I don't give them how many points you got. You sit your ass right over with me this game.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

That was the only time, though. That was the only time he ever done that. Because I remember we played this my senior year. And you know, obviously, you know, we want to have a good season, you know, try to make the playoffs. But, you know, scout's gonna. Scout's gonna be there. Sterling Sharp, little brother, a two time all American conference player of the year. We want to see what he put on. Man, Ocho, I was like, man, I was. I'm talking about. I was in peak shape. I'm talking about I don't work out. I didn't have to work in the fields. I didn't have to do no work. Hey, I'm just training right. I'm. I'm good. I Show up. I'm 228. I'm talking about Chisel got in a. Got in a fight with A sword and lost cuts everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Cut by cut, like a small bag of dope. That's what I'm looking like between us now. So I go out there in the first. The first half we had halftime. I got like. I got five catches for a buck 50 and two touchdowns. We up 30. So I'm saying to myself, you could. I'm about to get me three, honey. I said, they throw me another. They throw me another five, I'm gonna get 300, right? Yeah, man. Coach talking about then, see, he's at home. Home, you done for the day. I said, come on, coach, let me get. At that time, I had never had a 200 yard game. Nah, home,

[Joe Johnson]

man.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

He told me after the game. He pulled me aside after the game. He said, son, you got the best chance of any player I ever coached to be great at the next level. Son, if something happens to you, I'll never forgive myself. I thought about it. I was like, all right, coach. But I showed that about five games later, I never had a. A 200 yard game. Ocho. And then I came and strung three of them things to get back to. Back to back.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Then you had 200 back to back.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I went. I went. I went 7 for 221. I went. I went 9 for 202. And then I go 10 for 205.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

God damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Cutting up, wasn't it?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I sprinkled them like a sale for a buck 54. And three tubs in there, too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. This all in one season?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Well, we're eating one.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, nine games. I had 1300 yards. Don't you at nine games, 18 touchdowns.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, you would have been over.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. I would have locked on your ass up.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You got to realize, think about Ocho. You see me, I'm a receiver. I'm getting off the bus. I'm 622-25-25, and I'm talking about. Yeah.

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Hello. Hello. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I recently spoke with IBM's new director of research, Jake Ambedda. We discussed his vision for the future of quantum computing at IBM Research. What we always do is answer, what is the future of computing? Whether it's coming up with new algorithms, coming up with better AI, coming up with Quantum, or coming up with just how do different accelerators go together? It's our DNA to answer the question of what is the future? Isn't it a perfect problem for IBM because you kind of need to have a legacy of building stuff, building actual physical machines. Yeah, it's why I came to IBM. I wanted the experience, the culture of building hard things that others have not done before. Where do you imagine we are in the timeline of this technology? There will come a point when it will mature, right?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

My cell phone is a mature technology at this point. How far are we from that point? With Quantum, by 2029, we'll build the first fault tolerant Quantum computer that is one that can run a very, very large, large problem. To learn how IBM is building the future of computing, visit IBM.com quantum.

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[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

With a sheet. I had a shield back then. I had a shield.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Had it. You know, Remember we used to have them great cutoffs.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, that's so bad. Let's go back.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Look like I had tennis balls in my stomach. Like I swallowed about five or six tennis balls on you. So I got it. Hey, hey. I got off the bus first. Like, man, that's that boy. Been out there in that sun. So I'm good and crispy looking, like charcoal. You know what I'm saying? I'm. I leave fingerprints on charcoal. That's how black I was, Ocho. But I was toe up. But man, I get it. I. I get what I get. Lucas point of view. I also get JJ's point of view. I do.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Because remember Joe, the previous game they played Phoenix and he struggled shooting the ball, remember?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So he said, hey, this is my make right. This is my get right game.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. That bounce back.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah. So I'm not, I'm. I'm not surprised by this. I'm not surprised. JJ's response to this. I don't know if anybody's ever been around jj. I've been around him a little bit. Yeah. He's a, he's a feisty personality. Like most guys from Duke are. Yeah, yeah. Go back and look at Christian Laker, you look at Bobby Hurley, you look at jj, you look at Grayson Allen, you look at those guys. Yeah, they, they got a little edge to them. So I, I'm not, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised that, that Luca responded in the way that he did, but I'm also not surprised that, that they ended up taking him out of the ball game. The anticipation of a Jason Tatum return is, is building in Boston. There's circumstantial evidence is piling up to suggest that it's going to happen any day now. If Tatum had to decide to set out to see them season, it would have given himself about 17 and a half months of layoff before the next season kicks off mid October. Basically the same timeline is Kevin Durant. But should Tatum suit up for the Celtics this week through, he'd be returning in about 10 months. After he went down in the closing minutes of game four in the Eastern Conference semifinals against the Knicks last year. The 10 month return would mark the shortest, the shortest post Achilles absent for a starting player since the 2015-16 season in which Rudy Gay came back under nine months with the Kings. Joe, you think Jason is doing the right thing? Or should the Celtics protect him and say, no, bro, we see you next year?

[Joe Johnson]

I think he's, he's probably going to give it a chance. Okay. Ocho? I'm not sure that I would. I think considering the fact of where they're at in the standings, which is second in the Eastern Conference, I think they feel like they still have a window to where they can compete for a championship if they had them. Cause they could have used them tonight against the Charlotte. The Charlotte Hornets. Did y' all see? I ain't see.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I saw it. Man. Charlotte. Shoot. Hey, they got some shooters. You look at. Hey, look at Lamelo ball shooting off. Left foot. Wrong foot. You got Miller, you got Canuckle, you got Coddington.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, they not playing bridges. Yeah, but I think, I think Tatum is gonna come back. I think he gonna come back. I mean, he got his money. Unki got 300 M's. I mean.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, there's another one. I've been waiting on him too. This one gonna be 400, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Cause he ain't but what, 27, 28.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

27, 28.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think he gonna come back because you know the east so wide open, they gonna feel like they really got a chance. I can see him coming back this year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, well, that's Tough.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Go ahead, Ocho. What you thinking?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, that's tough. It depends on how he feels. It depends on how you feel. They're playing so well too, being number two in the east, you know, coming out. If anything, I would chill the rest of the season. I'll chill the rest of the season and maybe come back during the playoffs. I, I would say maybe come back during the playoffs. And if, if, if as well as they are playing and, and do you. Do you really need to come back and. And, you know, hurt yourself a little bit more coming back too soon? I mean, it all depends on how he's feeling. It just, it's kind of iffy to me. You know, honestly, coming back, mess up that continuity, messing up, you know, the, the rhythm of the team and some of the things that have been going. That have been going so well, having them come back. I'm. I'm not sure. I mean, Joe, you. You better off suited to understand it, you know, much better than I am, is they've been playing so well, you insert him back into the lineup and then he's, you know, obviously you're a little rusty because you haven't played real live basketball. Yes, you practice, but again, you know, game, game play is completely different. I, I just, I think it would throw things off.

[Joe Johnson]

You're gonna have, you're gonna have to deal with a little bit of Russ Ocho, but if he's able to come back, like, they gonna take him. Like I said, this, this window of opportunity that they have to get a chance to come out to East. Still, the only thing about him coming back during the playoffs is that the intensity is gonna be revved up so high.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

It's like, I don't know if he tested that Achilles. Really, really. Right now, I'm sure he is as far as weight training and getting out there playing two on two, three on threes, but, man, it's a different ball game, bro. When you get out there and you, you know, you go to run around and try to get some of the boys off your back, you know, that's a different game, man. That high, high intensity playoff atmosphere.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I think what has happened, you guys are both correct. They're playing better than they even anticipated. And because they believe the east is so wide open, we get him back. We are a major player.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Because now we feel we have two of the top five guys in the Eastern Conference with JT and jb. It's hard to say there are three. There are five players better than those two. Now, you might Like Brunson or whomever you like in the Eastern Conference. But they have two of the five best players in the Eastern Conference. And we feel that if we get JT back, why can't we come out? Can we beat the Knicks? Absolutely. Can we beat Cleveland? Absolutely. Can we beat Toronto? Absolutely. So that's the way they're looking at it. It's like, you know what, who knows what's going to happen next year? Somebody can make a. Make a power move and swing, and all of a sudden Giannis might end up somewhere, and we're not in the same boat this time as we were last year at this time. So they're like, you know what? Let's go take foot. Let's try to take full advantage of this opportunity. It's a. You know, the Keely's is just. And I understand technology is so much better because the guy was explaining to me today. Oh, Joe. The surgery that I had on my knee back in the 90s, it took an hour, took 75 minutes to do that same surgery in 15, 20 minutes now, damn crazy. The surgery where it used to take three, four hours to do hip surgeries, to do these same surgeries in 75 minutes to an hour, even breaking the bone, taking it out, putting it in there. Because mostly everything is. Everything is robotic now. Ain't nobody doing no scalpel. They said that. They said that that robot up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Wait, the robot doing the work.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, I'm good, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hey, that, that. Hey, that robot. Hey,

[Joe Johnson]

hey, hey. They say, they say in a few years. They say in a few years, if you ain't no electrician or plumber or something, boy, your job is expendable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you know, these robots gonna be out.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You know, back in my younger days, I did a little plumbing, you know what I'm saying? A little plumbing out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. I told you now, I told you about laying your best pipe down in the rent houses.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Now.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I told you I saved something, you know what I'm saying, Joe? I saved some. I saved it, you know.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I already know. But you won't put down a mean demonstration.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just let me know if I ever. If I'm ever in need of some repairs, I know who to call, you know?

[Joe Johnson]

Hello.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You never know.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hello? But it, it, it sure seems like he's trying to. He's gearing up to come back. And I think the thing is that you want to Be in a situation where he. He gets probably, say, 15 games in before the playoffs start, playoff start. Yeah. So I. I think kind of. Kind of. Kind of the situation that they're kind of gearing up for. And if you, you know, reading the tea leaves and see what everything is going, that's kind of. That's kind of how it's shaping up. I would be a little hesitant because knowing the last thing you wanted to do that again and knock on wood, pray that don't happen. I. I just hope everything goes according to plan. The Kevin Durant timeline will seem great to me, because KD doesn't seem like he missed a beat. It doesn't seem like he missed nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, he took a whole year off,

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

17 months, because, remember, he heard it in 20, and then they had a 2020 season. Then what you call them happened. The COVID happened.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So he took that time off, and then he came back. So he didn't come back to what, like, November? So that happened. And. Yeah, so it's gonna be. We'll see. Yeah. Because he. He tore that in June of 2019, and he didn't come back until, like, what, September, October. Because the. The ended. And so. Yeah, so he didn't come out to, like, November, December, because, remember, they came. Right. I'm trying to see. I don't see kd. I see Jason Tatum. I don't see Kevin Durant on this. On this thing. Okay. Okay. Katie. Yeah. 2018. 2019. 18.4 months. Yeah. John Wall took off almost. Almost two years. But I think John. I think John Wallace's mother had passed or something in between that also.

[Joe Johnson]

But hold on. I think he re injured.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

He might have.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Did.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he re. I think he re injured it at home or something.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You're right. Damn. Which is common. You. You. Somebody. Somebody else did that, too. They ended up retearing it, which I. That's no fun.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. But you got to be careful.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yes. Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got to be careful, especially if you feel anything. I'm. Obviously, he. Doing what's necessary. They got the right doctors, the right resources, and, you know, medical people. People there. I just. Man, that pushing and. And that. That jerky, irky movement, you know, playing basketball and. But I don't know, bro. It got me nervous. It's not even me.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Dejante Murray took 13 months, but it's. Normally, if you. You project it out. Rudy, go. Rudy Gay was less than nine months. But if you look at it, most of the time, it's about 12. Somewhere between 12 and 14 months? Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When. When Halliburton come back? Halliburton?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, he out this year.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, because I don't think they in the condition to do nothing.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So he won't be back. He will not be back until. So he toured in June of last year. So July, that'll be 13. August, September. So at bare minimum, they don't play until. So that's 16 months. He's gonna be 16 months at the bare minimum. Starting next, Sean Watson tore his.

[Joe Johnson]

He.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

He done for a year. It's gonna be, you know, remember Ocho, he tore his. He missed all seats. So now we're looking at you talking about looking like, like 18, 19 months.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Was it him who did it?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Who.

[Joe Johnson]

Who re. Injured his at home too?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I think he did. Yes. Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yep. You got to be careful, man. Anything a sudden, the scooter stops or something, you know, you got, you got this. You on that scooter. Whoo. Rich, Paul and Matt Kellerman disagree on how MJ would do in the modern era. Max says MJ would average 40 point, triple double today. Rich says these kids today, they don't. They're not bowing down to nobody. They're not just going to sit around and let you shoot every shot. Joe, who do you agree with on this one?

[Joe Johnson]

No, I, I agree with Max. I think, you know, the cream always rises to the top. Like, I do think MJ would probably average about 40 in this era. Okay. Ocho, he was so dynamic. He was fast, he was quick, he was explosive with an unstoppable turnaround. Mid range jump shot. Are you kidding? It ain't but a couple guys shoot the midi now, right now, I mean, if you ain't shooting a three or dunking something at the rim, man, nobody.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

40 points on Midis. That means he's gonna have to get up eight to ten threes a game. And he said, I don't like to shoot the three because it takes away from my aggressiveness. Now something's gonna have to change, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

But he, he's a two way player, Uncle. He gonna get at least eight to probably six to 12 points off defense. Now the way these, the way these boys shooting this, it's a, it's a faster pace. He ain't necessarily. Probably gonna shoot a lot more threes. I mean, he'll probably take a couple more, but for the most part, he was so relentless and getting to the basket. Who's gonna, who gonna be able to stay in front of him?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nobody. Nobody.

[Joe Johnson]

Nobody gonna stay in front of him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I Agree with Max, too. And you have to think during Jordan's era, they played a little bit more defense, Joe. They was a little more aggressive. Yeah, when you go to that goddamn hole, they gonna. They gonna. They gonna meet you, huh?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You guys are looking at it like Jordan or who he is and what he's doing become. Now imagine him being on a team, and he's not Michael Jordan yet. So now you think they're gonna just say, okay, shoot 27 times a game. Because when he averaged. When he averaged that, that 37, he was shooting about 27, 28 times a game. And the way these kids. The wire now, these kids don't really respect anything. It's easy to say they respect Jordan now because Jordan is retired. But look at him on the. On your team. It's hard, man. These guys, they did these kids different now, Joe. They not like you, Joe. They not like you and I. We would have easily. Okay, man. Okay. Do your thing, bro. These kids, like, I'm trying to get

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

mine, even if they didn't care. Joe, Uncle Joe, it's still Jordan. He's still gonna get his regardless. Regardless of whether they respect him or not.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

No, they gotta pass you the ball, Jordan. I'll give you a prime example. You get a couple of guys like Kobe. Kobe wasn't conceding ish. The shot. He's not. He didn't. And what happened? They broke it up. Kyrie got fed up. He ain't conceding what happened. They traded him. They broke it up. So you gotta look. Look at.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Look at.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Not like Jordan now with the Jordan brand, the jump man, the NASCAR and all that. You gotta look at him at today in a. Today's game player. These guys, they don't respect much, Ocho,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

you know, and that. That's the thing, though, Uncle Joe. Even if they don't respect it, we talk about skill set, what he's able to do, right?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

What he's able to do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jordan is one of the few players. I mean, they're. There are few players that can play in any goddamn era and dominate, especially this era.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

But I gotta give you the ball, Ocho. I just ain't finna take the ball I just handed to you and just turn it over to you. Now, I've tried to get mine, too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, listen. I mean, hypothetically speaking, we're talking about Jordan at his best, I'm assuming being in today's game.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

He putting up 40 a game, Ocho. But you got to realize back then, there weren't a whole lot of players. These guys now are more skilled. They're more skilled guys now than they were then. Absolutely.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Them guys couldn't shoot everybody on the, Everybody on the team now to shoot the three.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay. You had a Steve Kerr, you had a job. You had a Paxton and a Craig Hodges. That's three guys on the bull. Every once in a while, Jordan would get hot. But Jordan is about a 32% three point shooter. These guys. Now do I think Jordan would dominate? Yes. But I think he's gonna have to get some threes up. I just don't believe, as aggressive as he is to the basket. I just don't know if getting to the basket and shooting the midi. Joe, I don't know if that's enough. You gotta hit the three. You gotta get, you gotta get six, seven threes up.

[Joe Johnson]

I, I think, I think he would definitely increase his three point percentage. But the fact that un. Could nobody stay in front of him. I just, I don't.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

And they let you play zone now, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know, but he ain't gonna, man.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I think the thing is the 40 point triple double, that's what's throwing me off. If you say he gonna, I give you that. But a 40 point triple double, that's gonna be, that's, that's the point. I'm not saying he couldn't average 40. Oh, absolutely. He could average 40.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Oh, oh yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

40 point triple double is tough because what Yoke is doing is tough. So the AD, what, he probably need another 10.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

He's shooting.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

He's a 29. 10 and 12. 12. He's averaging 12 rebounds and 10 assists.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

40 point triple double and rebound me

[Joe Johnson]

so well, 40 points, he getting that?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm not doubting that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, hell, I'm telling you, if you got Shade doing what he's done doing every night before injury, he just came back, what he had 26, 27.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, yeah. And remember he had 35 the other night and he, and he, he went out because he was on a minute restriction.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. And then when you look, when you look at them old Bulls teams, even. I mean, Michael Jordan leading the catalyst, man, them dudes was yoked up, okay? I'm talking about. Boy, them boy will cut up Dennis. I mean, Scotty Pippen, Dennis,

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

they had

[Joe Johnson]

the Breakfast Club to where they met. And they lift weights and all that before practice. Them dudes didn't play no games, man. You know, they, they, they, they was.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

And plus, you got to think about It Joe, to get average a triple double as a guard, you got to, I mean, Russ, what Russ did is unbelievable because you got to chase down a lot of loose balls to get that 10 rebounds a game. And that's what we give Russ credit for because like, we're like, damn, this man, Russ is the best rebounding guard we've ever seen. A guy that's six, that's getting rebounds like that. But that's a lot of effort that you got to exert to go chase down rebounds. The hardest part is, I think, is assist, because you got to count on somebody to make the shot. I'll get, I give you, I give you the best situation. But if you blow the layup or blow the bunny, you, you call, you cost me 40 points. No question in my mind, Michael Jordan can average 40 points. Hell, I think Larry Bird, the way he shot the ball, I think he could average 35. But then when you start talking about a triple double, who, because that means

[Joe Johnson]

that mean you got to go out there hunting.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's why, that's why they gave Russ so much slack, because they felt like he was out there stat padding, you know, getting them triple doubles, but he out there hunting for them rebounds.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You're right.

[Joe Johnson]

Every time that ball go up, that boy going there, getting him.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Now if you a big, you up under the basket, you gonna get, you gonna get a lot of them.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right, right. But as a guard, you gotta make a conscious effort.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You gotta make a conscious effort, get

[Joe Johnson]

your ass down there.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, you're right. Now Jordan's in that kind of shape because Russell is in that kind of shape to exert that kind of energy, to push the pace like he's pushing the pace to go and you go get the rebounds, the box out to go way over there and track down the rebound. That's a lot of energy. No doubt in my mind that he could average 40. But it's the, that double digit assist and double digit rebounds. And I was like, I don't know about that.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Now.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I, I, I think that's asking a bit much. What the average? 37, 8 and 8? Yeah, he averaged 37, 8 and 8 the year he won the MVP. Or was it 35? I think 80? 30, 85, 86. What year did it, what was it? Or was it 8,788 that he won MVP and defensive player of the year? He's the first to win them in the same season.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn, I ain't gonna even lie. I don't know what I know it was early in his career.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

And I think that's the thing. It's got to be early in your career because, boy, you, you ain't fit to be. You ain't going to be no 28, 29, chasing, chasing, chasing behind that basketball like that. That's what I'm saying. You gotta tip your hat to Russ. You. Do you understand for a guard to get that many rebounds, do you understand the kind of effort, the energy, the effort that he got to put forth every single night?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think people understand that part. You know, I'm talking about the nights where you don't feel like, yeah, you really gotta still go out there and exert that energy to really get them rebounds, get them assists, you know, to score them points. Like, that's tough, bro.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, but look, just to put the ball in the basket the way he could put the ball in the basket and you couldn't hand check him. Yeah, it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard to keep. It's gonna be hard to keep. Hey, but the problem is, Joe, they might get mad because they don't like you shooting. Either you dunk the ball or you shoot the three. You ain't shoot no mid. They get mad if you shoot the midi.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, the analytics, Analytics. Oh, we don't want to shoot the man. Damn that. I'm getting to this spot. I'm pulling up this cash. What y' all talking about? They messing up the game, man. Taking the midi out, bro.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I had show up on the podcast and show up and say, man, the guy, hey, he was at the three point line, he fake got up, guy came flying out the rap, flying out the sky. He put the ball two bounces, shot the midi. They took him out the game. Like, what you mean? That's somebody. That's a bad shot. That's a bad shot. So what you mean? Like, the guy flew past me, he's like, yeah, once he fly past you, hey, gather yourself. Shoot the three.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Like, really? A 15. A 15 foot two point shot is a bad shot now. Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's. That's all they told us growing up. Shoot that 15 footer. That's all my uncle used to talk about. Hey, man, when I was in high school. When I was in high school. Amen. Hey, you gotta get that 15 footer in your game, man. You gotta get that 15 footer. I'm like, all right, bro, I'm working on this 15 foot now.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You need that 22 footage game, Joe. You did that 22 footage you gave, you need.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, I'm gonna keep it real. You need it all. Like, you know, the great ones.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, great ones.

[Joe Johnson]

The great scores. Guys who really love the score. They got everything in their arsenal from them little touch shots that we call floaters.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Middies to the, to the 22 footers to the three to the two, three steps behind the three point line. They call them four level scores.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

And this is why.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hey, Joe. Go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm gonna add Joe, but what's your midi looking like right now?

[Joe Johnson]

Cash.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Huh?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Cash.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you think so? Man, listen, see, I mean, hold on,

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe, but you saying, you saying your midi is cash, but it's a cash with somebody guarding you. That's the difference.

[Joe Johnson]

Look, if you trying to say when you guarding me, I shoot that tall man on you, Ocho. I don't even see you when I go up to shoot it and I, and I let that gooseneck, we call it. That's that gooseneck.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You see that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe, can I, can I say something real quick? I mean no disrespect, I know, but you got to bring the ball up. How you gonna bring the ball up when I'm in your face?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, in my shot pocket. So. In basketball you got shot pockets, right? I work on high pickups, so by the time I pick it up, that's like up there, you know, close to where your, where your eyes are. You ain't gonna, you ain't gonna see none of this here coming, partner. Don't even worry about that.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Just get it out of Joe. Just get it out of the net.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, listen, I, I, Joe really thinks sweet like, I can't, I can't wait till we do this little one on one. I mean, like, it ain't, it ain't what you think it is, playboy. I know I didn't play no sport. I respect you and what you do, but it really, it really ain't finna be that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, you need high to a duck's ass, man. You ain't gonna be. You ain't been do nothing with this hip hop, yo, you too little. And you ain't got enough bricks in

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

your back pocket, homeboy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe, I'm 64205, Joe. What you mean?

[Joe Johnson]

I've been around you, partner. You ain't on six' four.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, I'm six' three. I'm six' three.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

And I think the thing. But also the one thing we know, the really great players can evolve their game. You look at. Look at LeBron. Yeah, LeBron didn't shoot the three. I mean, he's struggling a little bit. He's struggling a little bit, but you see every. He's like, you know what? If I want to stay, I'm going to have to shoot this three. Look at Brook Lopez. Brook Lopez has found a way to stay in the game, cuz he's never been a great rebounder. But guess what he's been able to do at seven foot tall? He's been able to go beyond the three point line and make an honest living doing that. And so Jordan absolutely gotten better. Jordan would have got. So the 40 points, I, I ain't even worried about the 40. The 40 is easy. That's easy. You're hoping he don't get 4550.

[Joe Johnson]

Because think about it, in basketball, fellas, you got. All you do, bro, is go to the gym and work on. And shoot your. And shoot jumpers. Shoot jumpers all day. So if you do that every day, consistently, you know, repetitions, repetitions, repetitions, man, you're gonna become a hell of a shooter. So that's why when LeBron first came into the NBA, Uncle Ocho, he wasn't no great shooter, right? He had to work on that. He had to work on that. Then he became a pretty good shooter, you know what I mean? You ain't doing, you can't do nothing with what he got going on.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

And the thing is kind of like, like what? They did the same thing with him like they do to Giannis. Build a wall. We got to keep him out of the paint, keep him out of the lane. Hey, Pop, you tell him back off. Give him that. If you want to shoot a 17 footer, let him have it. Just don't get so close that he can go by you and dunk on your head.

[Joe Johnson]

There you go.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So, hey, and the really good, the really good guys, they're gonna adapt, they're gonna find a way. They're gonna find a way to get the job done. You know, they say Jordan couldn't go this way and he couldn't go that way. All I know is nobody could put the ball at. And they talk about was, this guy's a better score. All I know, that man had a bunch of 30 point seasons. You don't win 10 scoring titles without being prolific at putting the ball in the basket. Yeah, 10 and say he won. He won seven consecutive. Took a break and say, you know what I see, I'll be back in 13 mo.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, what if Jordan never did take that break? Do you see any more championships in that window where he was gone?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. He would have got two more. I think he got bored. I think he got bored. Okay, Ocho. That's why he wanted, you know, obviously his dad passing probably weighed a lot on him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And him wanting to go try baseball to see if he. He was so good at basketball. I think he was like, you know what? I think I can take this greatness to baseball.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I wanna.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I wanna challenge myself.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He went out for that challenge, took a couple years off, came back and picked up right where he left off at. Man, nobody done that.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's crazy.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I think the thing is, man, it's easy to say yes, but we've seen an injury here or injury there, and it changes the whole landscape because we saw Scottie Pippen's back, how it gave out on him, and it almost cost him the series against Utah.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

And before. And before they really started winning, Scotty had problems with migraines, and we saw how that in hip impacted them. Winning so mad. So many things have to be right. And for the most part, he never got injured in the playoffs. He never had. Well, nothing was reported. I mean, I'm sure he had bumps and bruises, but he really never had. And he never had a teammate. He didn't have a teammate to go down like, oh, when San Antonio had. Was going and they would look like they was gonna give Golden State all they can handle. And for cheap shot and Kawhi lands on his ankle.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Boom, he out.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Kyrie and Kevin Love, he's out. Magic. One year, Magic hurt his hamstring, and then James Worth to hurt his hamstring. The Bulls were very, very fortunate not to have any serious injuries, but to put together a streak like that, Joe, where they. They. Once they won, you know, three and three. But to put it together and to go eight straight. To go eight straight years, it's hard, man, to keep all that rub on the tread.

[Joe Johnson]

Because think about your mentality got to be different.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You. You go, you. You play in the June every year, Joe. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Think about it. Damn, your mentality got to be different, Uncle Ocho. Like, these dudes never got satisfied with winning, with success. You know what I mean? They was always okay, boom, let's win another one. Boom, let's win another one. Like, bro, mentally, it's got to wear and tell you because you going to the end of the season every year and then picking right back up with,

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

man, oh, we got a very special guest joining us now. It's time to welcome Mr. Tenderism himself, Mr. Walter Johnson. Mr. Johnson, how you doing? You muted unmute yourself.

[Joe Johnson]

Was old school. Like, damn. I don't know what.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hopefully somebody that can help. He's muted chat. Bear with us just a second.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If I. If this world were mine.

[Joe Johnson]

Take your time. Old school. We got.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hey, this barbecue is just. It's just getting tender. It's just getting. It's gonna fall out the bone when you come on. It's gonna fall out the bone, y', all, so just bear with us just a second.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Can y' all hear me?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, we got you now. Yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I don't know why y' all was trying to crack on me, man. Hey, but anyway, man. Hey, man, why y' all do me like that, man? I ain't do y' all like that. Can you see me?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

We know once you put them glasses on, I said they about to get worked out now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

And that's a fact, Jack. Hey, hey, look, can you. Can you see me?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

We can see you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I can see.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

All right. Everything cool.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Everything is everything.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, I appreciate you the honest man. You accepted me on your show.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Thank you. No, thank you for coming on, uncle. No, Joe. And Joe, we really appreciate you. Can we go back to the beginning? How does this. How did you become involved? And how did this. Destination. Smokehouse. How did this thing take off?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, you know, I'll tell you what it was. See, we started it. It was a place. It was.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

It was a shop, okay?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

It was a coffee shop, okay? And I went in about four or five years ago, and then I made some gumbo. I've been with America since. And so we flipped the coffee shop to a smokehouse.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay? Yeah, yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So you go in there. It was a coffee shop. You go in there and make some gumbo, and you turn it into a smokehouse. Now, I. I found out about destination because I see you and you talk about you shaking the stuff. The. The bri. The brisket, and. And the beef ribs, and it's falling off the bones. Then you started doing oxtail. So from the time we got to the coffee shop, turning into the smoke. The smokehouse, until we are now. How do we get from that to this to where we are now, Mr. Johnson?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Tendonism.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Tendonism.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

That's how we got there.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, Tyndonism.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

That's a fact.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You coined the phrase tenderism.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yes, sir.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

And so now it seems like everybody started like, man, Unc got this thing going on Because a lot of people in the beginning thought it was your shop. They didn't realize that you had, you know, you fixed the gumbo, but you were not the sole proprietor or you wasn't the proprietor of the shop. So how do we end up. Is there a fallout? Are you still cool with the owner? What's going on? Because I'm hearing that you open up a shop in Texas, might be having something coming to Atlanta. So how did we get to where we are now, Mr. Johnson?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man. This is how we got there, Sean. Hey. Texas. Houston. Let's start with Houston.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I spoke to a gentleman one night. He said, I got two restaurants. Okay, cool. I looked at the restaurant. Now what I will do is go out there and help him open the restaurant so he can get him a team, right? But I'm in California. And then moving to Houston. Hey, man, I ain't no young chicken no more.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, you still with Elway? Let's be for real about this. Yeah. You ate on Federal Boulevard. No more running up down that field. So you know about that. Don't worry about. I was right around the corner from me.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

At that time. Yes, sir. Yeah. As a matter of fact, when you ask me that question. You make some cognac too, man? You can email my cognac tonight. No, I'm just. Hey, man, don't be playing with me, man. It's Southside Chicago.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I. I can get it. I can get it to you.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, just get it to me, man. Look at here. Southside Chicago or the west side. You grew up on one of them side.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I did, I did. Grew up on the south side.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Okay. Everybody saying street stuff like that. But anyway, I don't know too much about Southside. I know you know about that hell though. Yes, you do. Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Mr. Johnson, I left at a very. So now I left at a very young age. You're gonna help a gentleman open up a restaurant. One of I will Restaurant. Go ahead.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I will.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You will. Is there anything. Is there anything brewing in Atlanta?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

In Atlanta. I gotta go down there and talk to a guy his Steve Barbecue. So I'm gonna go down there and check him out. And if he needs some assistance, if he got it together cool in the gang, I'm gonna let him know if Mr. Tenderness approve of it. You did what? I'm saying, if you don't have together. I tell him some tweaks twice. You know, I put that snap back on me. You did what? I'm saying? Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, tell me something, Mr. Tydonism. Hey, you. You tell them a difference between barbecue and grill. Because, see, a lot of these cats think they putting meat on the grill, and they think they got the tendonism. Tell them the difference between the barbecue. Because I'm sure you probably over there using a smoker.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I use smoker. Barbecue, two bricks oven grill. Hey, man, look here I've been doing, boy. I get out like fat red cheese factory. Yeah, where you at? I come to your house and I'm cook same you. You tell me, Mr. Sharp. Tendonism. When I finish tenderness. You don't need no teeth for the meat. That's right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, yes, sir. Johnson, we. Hey, listen, my last name. Johnson, too. We might be related, because you. You got to get for gab.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, I don't know. Hey, man, look at you. Hey, wait. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hey, the daddy. Hey, look at. I don't know if y' all trying to get no mind. I ain't got no hey anyhow. Hey, Sean. Oh, that's all blood. Hell, Mike. Hey, but, hey, Josh, I had a whole lot of brothers, though. I ain't gonna talk about. Wait. Hey, you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you ain't got no family down here?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

No, I don't know, man. Cause there's a whole lot of us. Yes, sir. Yeah, I had brothers. Oh, wait, one sister.

[Joe Johnson]

Where you from?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I was born in Gary, Indiana. I know about that south side, too.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, yeah, down 94.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

That's right.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yes. That's why you're so familiar with Chicago.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

You right around the corner familiar with it? Boy, look here, I don't even want to tell you. Anyhow, we gonna move right along from Chinatown and then. Yeah, but no, man, I spent a whole lot of time in the South. Yeah, yeah. Learning different trades about cooking.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So did you ever. Did you ever envision that the tenderis tendonism and what you had started? Did you ever think it would blow up like this? So when. When. When did you realize that, you know what? We might be on to something?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

When I roll that oxtail, man, One day, man, on the side of the building. Black diamonds. Yeah, it came off like an orange.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I knew it's on something, and I said, oh, look at him. That tendonism. And then from that point on, man, look, just keep it like this. But hey, it is what it is. Tendonism.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, Mr. Johnson. For all. For those of us. For those of us that are watching, including myself, if we want to try the tendonism and see what it's all about. Where can we go?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

The only thing you have to do is send your address, get in touch with Mr. Joe, Dr. Joe White, and I come right over to your house in your backyard front yard.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, you cooking. You cooking.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

You don't think I can cook?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can grill here.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Well, look here what I just say, Shark.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You say you cook. You say you cook.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, it's PP Poke, all right? Yeah, man. Don't be playing with me, Mike.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So we did. I ain't got no smoke. I just got. Look, Hardware grills. You know, the little round one.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah, you ain't gotta worry about that. See, Home Depot ain't too far from you. And we just go get you a smoker put in the backyard. And I get dizzy, you know? Yeah, that's how they.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Don't again until you use it.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey. Oh, no, man, look here. We ain't bad, you know. Hey, man, you gotta pay, man. Come on, man, you know. Hey, it's all about.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, we. I. I ain't got no problem buying the grill, but I don't know how to cook on the grill. I don't know.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I'm teach you, man. Hey, man, you know. Hey, man, come on, just let me take the glass off so you get a good look.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I'm take mine off, too. But let me tell you, while you cook it, I'm gonna be in the house watching tv. Let me know when it's ready.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I wanna. Hey, I wanna learn something.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I wanna.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, I wanna. Hey, man, look up. Only thing y' all got to do is set it up and I'll drop down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, I'm matter of fact, sometimes, Sometime this summer, Mr. Johnson, you know, I have. I have all my kids.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I got.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got about. About 20.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

You got 27 kids, I think. Yeah. Go to Swift Meat Market right now, start buying me. Yeah. And then we work it out. Yeah. 27 kids.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I definitely won't cook for you. You gotta help me out. 27 kids all. Look at him. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I got a lot.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

That's all right, man. You can have them all. I just be that uncle. Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I appreciate that.

[Joe Johnson]

We gonna.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We gonna do that. We're gonna do that. I'm. I'm a stream. I'm stream that on Twitch.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

All right.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

What, What. What. What's the. If, If I said, okay, come in. I need you to cook. I got my family just close. It's gonna be like 15, 20 of us. What. You. What you cooking?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah, I cook the oxtail, the beef, Real pork chop. I Mean, and then put some size on, you know, on the side. Yeah, well, you. Only thing you gotta do is tell me what you want. Go to the store and get it. I'm gonna put it on the grill. Tenderness is gonna come out of you. Ain't gonna leave your teeth at home, though. Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. I want. I want. I'm looking for some of that.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, look here. Only thing I had to do, go get about five of them brisket. I put all of them on at one time. And the oxtail and the pork chop, I.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hey, man, pork chop. You don't like cooking pork ribs? I like ribs.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, I cook you some radios, man. Don't make no difference when they St. Louis or Spirit. That's the difference. You asked me about smoking. So you can put. You can smoke some ribs or you put them on the grill. The two different things about smoking, the heat gonna right. Gonna carry and smoke the meat right Slow, but sure. Now, grilling, that's a fast cook. You gotta watch it, right?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

But anyway, y' all want to do it fast cook, slow cook? Yeah, I like all day long. You know what I'm talking about? Slow and steady. Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Well, I might go ahead before you come. I might go ahead and get on this egg right here. Might go to Home Depot tomorrow, get on this egg and. And work it out. So, you know, me and you have a little competition. And I had a tender rhythm, too.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, that's not. Let's not worry about competition. Stay with airway now.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

So. Hey, man, hey, you ain't gonna get a touchdown. Yeah, yeah. Make ugly crazy. Hey, okay. I'm gonna do something to you, man. How am I. Let's try the easy stuff. This. Sean, that cognac? No, I'm just playing.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I love the oxtails. Off the grill. I mean, off the smoker now.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Okay. Only thing you got to do, man, is get the smoker. I show up and show out. Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, how much? How much? Mr. Johnson, how much does smoker cost?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I don't know. A couple hundred dollars.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, every time.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I love smoking. Now, if you want to go get a great big smoker.

[Joe Johnson]

No, hell no.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

No. Just go down there to Home Depot. You want to offset.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

And sit on the side. Yeah, it's round, it's black. Yeah, yeah. Just go get that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Call me up and y' all got them jets, right? Just pick me up, man. Just pick me up and I'll come over there and get busy.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

We will fly. Were you in Houston? We'll find Houston.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I'm in Hennick, California, where everything original.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Joe Johnson]

But you about to get ready to come here to Atlanta. Where you going? I'm gonna come check.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I'll be there on 13th and 14th of March. 13th, yes. Yes, sir. It's a Fayetteville. It's Steve's barbecue.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah. Steve Barnesville, Georgia. Yeah, you know, I saw him. I think if I saw him. I think I saw him on IG On Tick Tock.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Okay. Yeah, that's where I'm going. I'll be there. Hey, hey, y' all that do it? Come down there, 13, 14. You see what we do? Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So you like. You like a higher gun? You like a hired barbecue? A barbecue gun now, huh? So you just go around and take your talents anywhere?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, I tend to kneel. I'm trying 10 in there. The whole world, I want to go there. I ran 10 years from Campbell's, you know what I mean, to Dubai. You understand? Yes, sir.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, so you opening up your own.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I just won't tell them some stuff. I come by people house and tend to rack up. Man, get no younger man. You think I'll get up early in the morning? You know it's 4 o' clock in the morning.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Okay. Yeah. All right, then. Hey, hey, a little bit older, y'. All. Okay. Hey, hey, man, I don't know why y' all ain't send me the 401k. No, I'm just fine. No, I'm just playing. But, hey, I like having fun, man. I like having fun.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I mean, we. We. I mean, we look, we stop, we still follow. We always gonna support you no matter where you go. Hey, yeah, you. It don't matter. You can go across the world. You can go wherever if you got a social media page. And if you go close by, we gonna show up and we gonna support you. Yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, where you at?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, absolutely, I'm in Vegas.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, you next door to me.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, yeah, right. I just left California about two years ago. I was in LA for two years.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, you for eight years. Hey, you're on the north side, south side of Vegas.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I'm in Summerlin.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Y' all know what about a hospital? Fort Apache?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Actually, I am.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, I don't know nothing about Las Vegas.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

You know, something about you over here talking about Fort Apache.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I know. I'm saying it's that Tropicana, Decatur, Rainbow. I don't know too much about it, huh? Lake Mead. Hello.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

What you Know about what? You know about Rainbow Lake, B. Tropicana.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, I ran across through there because I might have been working at the MGM at the time, but anyhow. Yeah, yeah, let me see some more of them places out there. Yeah, man. No, my daughter stay there right now.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, really?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah, she does.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Well, I tell you what. When you come. When you come visit her, I'm gonna have no smoker ready. Do I need cherry? Do I need cherry? Oh, what type of wood I need.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, get the hickory and let me handle it. Matter of fact, I'm gonna call Joe right now. Hey, Joe. Hey, man, we going to Vegas? No, just. I'm just playing with you. Hey, right. No. Y' all right down the road, four hours away. Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

We'll put the car on the road.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, if I can put it on the road tonight, come down there. Hey, we need to stay at one of the hotels or something, man. Cause you know we got to do this right? Hey, Joe, you listen to Mike. Hey, man. It's just Sharp trying to get me down there, Mike, but we gotta take care of that thing. No, just. Hey, but anytime you want me to come, Mr. Sharp, you just. You pick a date.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Just for the day.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I say you pick a day.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, okay. Because you know what? We might have, like, we have a. A nightcap, get out, and we bring all them in, and you, you know, you cook it up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, well, look here. Night cap, afternoon cap, morning cap. I would do what I do. I have oxtail omelets. What you talking about? Yeah, you ain't had one before? Hey, okay, I never heard that. Don't you know I'm a country ball? I do country things.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I do. Yeah, absolutely.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

And I love eating. That's a fact, Jack. Yes, sir. It sure is big. Which is Pope.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Man, it was so great to have you on, Mr. Johnson.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, good. It's great being there, man. I'm hanging in there, man. I ain't gonna give up. Yes, sir.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Working people go to. To donate to your GoFundMe, you got to GoFundMe account set up.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Right. It's Walter Johnson, GoFundMe page.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay. Yeah, we're gonna get. We're gonna get something to you, Mr. Johnson, because we really appreciate it. We appreciate everything that you've done. We love the fact that you came on and you talked about what you're doing, not what has transpired in the past. You didn't salt anybody up. You didn't talk negative about anybody. You all. You talked about was positivity and about how you and could move forward. You have fun with Ocho and I and Joe, and we really appreciate that. So we're gonna get something to you. We look forward to seeing you, but this is not the last you've heard from Nightcap. You will hear from us again.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I want to come down there on the show since you're not so far away. You down there in Las Vegas, boy. Look at him.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Come on. You want to come on the live show?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man. Yeah, I want to come, man. We stood up.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, okay.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

You just set it up, man.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hey, we'll definitely set it up the next live show we have. You're gonna be on it. You're gonna be a guest on it.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Oh, hey, okay. Hey, man, I'm holding you at that, too, man. Yes, sir.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Hey, we got it.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, I appreciate it, though, man. I appreciate. Yes, sir, I do.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Thank you so much. Thank you, Mr. Johnson.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

All right.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Tendonism. Here he is, Mr. That's a fact.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Jack,

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

thank you for joining us tonight. We appreciate your time.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I appreciate y' all talk to about. Talk to Joe and get me there Cool in the game. I'm gone. Booyah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Oh, man. So he had to go fund me account. You found it. We're gonna put it. We're gonna pin it. We're gonna pin that link in the chat.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

All right, then. Cool.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Appreciate y'. All. Y' all take care.

[Joe Johnson]

Stay safe.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

God bless all.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Absolutely.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Booyah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

13, 14. Ocho coming down on the 16th. You're gonna be busy that week.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, I ain't got no time not to be busy. I'm gonna be busy. Hey. The rest of my life. Yeah, man, I'm trying to get it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I want to see what he's talking about. I'm gonna go check him out.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Huh? Just stay right there at the nightcap. I'm check y' all out and bring y' all team together and we gonna feed them, see?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

All right.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Jesus. Jesus said feed him. Then I give him the word.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

All right?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yeah. Cause you can't do nothing on him. I know, boy. Look, I see you. You think I can't see you? I know you. You did what I'm saying you look ill. Yes, sir. You ain't gonna be by yourself, though. I eat, too.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay. That's what I'm talking about.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yes, sir. You like hot water? Cornbread? Black eyed peas?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Cornbread with the iron skillet? Oh, my God.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, what about the candy yams?

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, what about. Don't you know man, come on. You know, dude, don't be quiet. You know we love Candy. Yam. Don't. Family. Family. We. Look, I don't think y' all give me that. You give me that proof, and we're

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

gonna make it happen. Hey, well, you know what? We're gonna make it happen. We're gonna make it happen.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Cool. In the game.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I promise you this summer, we gonna make it happen.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yes, sir, Mr. Sharp.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

We might have to. We might have to start early in the morning and take a break because they get real hot and doing midday in Vegas.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Hey, man, look.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I stayed on Fort Apache. I think I stayed on Lake Mead, right off of Rainbow.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Tropicana. Yeah, I know how hot it get.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

I ain't worried about no heat. Cause, hey, in the kitchen, if you can't stand the heat, you shouldn't be in that kitchen.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Okay. Hello.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

You know what I mean?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah, yeah, we got you.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

But y' all make it happen. I show. Show up.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

We gonna make it happen. We're gonna let you get on out of here. Mr. Johnson, thanks for joining us tonight. We appreciate that, and we look forward to seeing you real soon.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

All right, God bless y'.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

All.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Remember that. I say this right here, that word, life. If you take the L. E off, life, you'll have. If you. You wake up right that fold. That word. Powerful, ain't it?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Booyah.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Gone.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Appreciate you.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Yes, sir.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Have a great rest of your evening.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

You do the same.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

All righty.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, it turned out.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah. Yeah. I guess he don't get very many people to talk to.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Mr. Johnson, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yay,

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Man, that was great. We gonna get him out here. I'm. Bring him out here.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I'm gonna get. I'm gonna have a. I'm gonna have a Home Depot deliver. Deliver me a little smoker, and I'm gonna get him out here, see what he putting down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, hey, Joe. Joe Hung. I'm sure gonna do something with the kids now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know. You know, Grandma house. Grandma house gonna be done in the summer, huh?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

So, you know, we got it. Break it in.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, I'm Break. Break it in the way it used to be back in the days. Grandma have all the kids over, man, you know, and got to get that.

[Walter Johnson (Mr. Tenderism)]

That. That.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That tradition back going, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

That's awesome, man. Man, he was. He was so bad. He was so geeked. Ocho to my man. Thank y' all for coming. Having me on nightcap, man, he was geeked, man. We was we were geeked to have it.

[Joe Johnson]

Right? Right. Hey, look, when y' all go to having these events with Augh, now, y' all make sure y' all send that invite, all right?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Yeah. Yeah. We got you, Joe. We got you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you want us? What you talking about, man?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you know, I had to just reassure some things, you know what I mean? Yeah, I see.

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

I'm bragging too much, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

I'll say. Here you go. Here you go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don't worry about it. I got you.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm gonna take Kevin. Don't worry about it.

[Joe Johnson]

You're gonna take care of who you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you ain't gonna be able to brag too much more. Too much longer, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, y' all just gotta chill, all right?

[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

Well, just chill. Hey, hey. Let's blow up wherever go. Let's blow up that spot.

[Joe Johnson]

Bet. Bet. Okay. He traveling. He traveling with that tendonism.

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[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

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[Sean (Host of Nightcap)]

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