Nightcap Hour 1: Shannon BELIEVES John Harbaugh SHOULD GO + DK Metcalf has ALTERCATION with FAN

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Shannon BELIEVES John Harbaugh SHOULD GO + DK Metcalf Altercation with Fan

Date: December 22, 2025
Host: (likely) Shannon Sharpe (unattributed in transcript), Co-host: Chad Ochocinco Johnson

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Nightcap," a segment of Club Shay Shay, sees NFL legends Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson break down a full slate of NFL action, focusing primarily on the Ravens' disappointing loss to the Patriots and the implications for coaching in Baltimore. Other major discussions include the rise of young teams in the AFC, Detroit's defeat to Pittsburgh and Dan Campbell’s controversial coaching, and the incident involving Seahawks’ receiver DK Metcalf and a fan at Ford Field. The conversation is candid, brimming with both football analysis and personal anecdotes, keeping the tone energetic, playful, and occasionally raw.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Baltimore Ravens’ Loss and John Harbaugh’s Future (09:26–29:56)

• Game Recap: Patriots upset the Ravens 28–24. Drake May passes for 382 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT. Ravens lose Lamar Jackson to injury mid-game, Huntley replaces him.
• Turnover Issues:
  • Derrick Henry and Zay Flowers had costly fumbles. Both hosts stress the importance of ball security, citing Flowers’ repeated issues with fumbles in key moments (10:36–11:22).
    • “When you make those kind of moves, as shifty as Zay Flowers is, he has to understand you got time for one move. After that, knowing the journey's over… One guy's going to tackle you, the other guy’s going to try to get the ball out.” – Chad Ochocinco [10:36]
• Ravens’ Defensive Regression:
  • Lack of pass rushers and an aging secondary highlighted as critical flaws.
  • “They've allowed this team to get old and slow. They got no pass rush. Drake May had all night.” – Podcast Host (Shannon Sharpe) [21:49]
• Coaching Critique and Call for Change:
  • Shannon argues the team needs “a new voice,” suggesting it’s time for Harbaugh to go. He points to repeated playoff failures and increasing distance from championship contention:
    • “It might be time for the Ravens to get a new voice. They're moving further and further away from getting where they want to be.” [21:31]
  • Debate on Lamar Jackson’s durability and elite status, questioning if the Ravens can contend with his injuries stacking up.
  • Ochocinco pushes back, unsure coaching is the root problem amidst so many roster holes; stresses difficulty of finding quality pass rushers and the importance of drafting/development.
• Financial and Roster Moves:
  • Ravens need to address aging contracts and possible offseason overhauls for Marlon Humphrey, Roquan Smith, Zay Flowers, and especially Lamar (29:13–30:10).

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2. Young AFC Teams on the Rise (20:00–21:09, 34:44–35:02)

• Patriots, Broncos, Jags, and Chargers all praised for young QBs and aggressive team-building.
• Jags stand out despite losing star Travis Hunter, demonstrating depth.
• “They basically…a bunch of frat boys right out of college just having fun.” – Ochocinco on Patriots and Packers youth [30:19]
• Teams with young quarterbacks—and key defenders—are now leapfrogging established powers like the Ravens and Chiefs.
• “The Chargers are young. … The Patriots. … The Jags. Young quarterback. Those teams also have something defensive that'll get after your ass.” – Host [34:44]

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3. Detroit vs. Pittsburgh: Dan Campbell’s Decisions & Playoff Fallout (40:02–48:17)

• Game Drama:
  • Steelers edge the Lions 29–24 after a Goff rushing TD at the buzzer is nullified by penalty (40:02).
  • Host questions Dan Campbell’s persistent risk-taking: “At what point in time…is he gonna take points?” [40:36]
• Playcalling and Confidence:
  • Ochocinco admires Campbell’s unwavering confidence but notes the risks can border on delusion this season amid injuries.
  • “That's a skill in and of itself to be confident and not delusional.” – Host [42:10]
• Lions’ Depleted Defense:
  • Multiple injuries force Campbell into relentless aggressiveness, leaning on the offense.
  • Steelers’ defense lauded for shutting down Detroit’s run game (12 carries, 15 yards).
• Playoff Implications:
  • Both teams in must-win territory; playoff hopes for Detroit slim, and Pittsburgh needs help.
• Player Highlights:
  • Jalen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell draw praise for versatility and big-play ability; compared to Cordarrelle Patterson, Josh Cribbs, Percy Harvin as Swiss Army Knife types.

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4. DK Metcalf’s Altercation with a Fan (48:57–61:43)

• The Incident:
  • DK Metcalf approached a fan in the Ford Field stands, grabbed him, and appeared to shove after a verbal exchange (49:04–49:55).
  • Reports allege the fan used racial slurs and insulted Metcalf’s mother, provoking the reaction.
  • Ochocinco and Shannon do not excuse DK’s physical response, but express understanding:
    • “Fans are comfortable saying what they want…You don't know how certain people are going to react to certain things that they hear. Everybody don't react the same.” – Ochocinco [54:49]
• Responsibility & Consequences:
  • League will investigate; Metcalf likely faces substantial fine, possible suspension.
  • Broader discussion about respect, lines between fan behavior, and player reactions.
  • Host drives home that wealth or status doesn't make athletes less human—words and family insults still cut:
    • “At the end of the day, a man is a man, a woman is a woman…They still have feelings. They still cry, they still get excited, they still feel sadness. If you cut them, they'll bleed. Yes, they are human.” [57:22]
  • NFL shield and discipline discussed—no tolerance for violence, but also a need for context.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Lamar Jackson’s impact and decline:
  • “That team goes as Lamar Jackson goes.” – Ochocinco [24:43]
  • “If you take his legs away from him, Ocho, they're not the same team.” – Host [22:58]
• On "New Voice" in Baltimore:
  • “It might be time for the Ravens to get a new voice. They're moving further and further away from getting where they want to be.” – Host [21:31]
• Football Fundamentals:
  • “You got time for one move. After that, knowing the journey's over. … You catch, you make one move. … You don't have time to make two.” – Ochocinco [10:36]
• On coaching risk:
  • “It takes…You have to be special, Ocho, to be confident and not delusional.” – Host [41:59]
• On fan-athlete boundaries:
  • “You don’t have to call me no racial slur… We gotta ease up with the racial stuff. We gotta leave people's moms and grandmas and…wives and stuff. We gotta leave that stuff out. People hurt you about that.” – Host [56:40]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Baltimore Patriots Game Recap & Ravens Analysis – [09:26–29:56]
• Young AFC Teams & Changing Landscape – [20:00–21:09], [34:44–35:02]
• Lions-Steelers Breakdowns – [40:02–48:17]
• DK Metcalf-Fan Altercation – [48:57–61:43]

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Summary & Takeaways

Shannon and Ocho deliver a night of honest, often blunt football talk, zeroing in on the Ravens’ chronic playoff malaise, the root causes of Baltimore’s woes, and whether John Harbaugh has run his course as head coach. They highlight ball security, defensive regression, and the importance of youth and fresh voices—all while dissecting how the Patriots, Jags, Broncos, and Chargers are climbing fast with young QBs.

The show’s emotional core is the DK Metcalf incident, with both hosts drawing on their own playing days to discuss the line between competitive banter and lines that simply shouldn’t be crossed.

As always, the tone is bold, fun, and direct, offering both analysis for hardcore fans and lessons for a broader audience on everything from NFL culture to human nature.

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For listeners who missed the episode, this summary covers all the football drama, coaching debate, player insights, and off-field controversy that made this a must-listen Nightcap.

Transcript

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[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Oh, sure. One of them nights, Ocho. One of them nights. Oh, what you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, uncle, you drinking tonight? Hey, but, hey, tonight's show is gonna be fire. You hear me? Tonight's show is gonna be fire. Boy, you know your Broncos lost today, too, huh? And on that. On top of that, but the Ravens lost, too. Hey, you had some good energy. You had some good energy a few days ago about. About your teams, huh? Listen, I know it probably don't mean nothing. I know y' all probably might still make the playoffs, but as far as tonight goes. As far as tonight goes, boy, you owing. Well, you offer you owing two. Matter of fact, I wouldn't even show my face. I'm surprised you even came on the show tonight. I'm. I'm just. I'm just gonna be honest with you. I'm surprised. With the way you talk about your Broncos, with the way you talk about your Ravens. I'm surprised you even showed up tonight. I thought you're gonna call in sick.

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If I had a shisty. I have it on, Ocho. I had a ski mask. A ski mask. I have it on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, listen, I would. I wouldn't. I wouldn't even show my face. Honestly. I. I just wouldn't. I. I wouldn't. I mean, listen, you shouldn't feel.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you know what you should feel like right now? You know what you should feel like?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Feel like Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I probably, like, honestly, I'm not sure if you've ever had to talk. You know, I'm not sure if you ever had to take the walk of shame, you know, dealing with an older woman. And they always put you out the house, and that's how you feel. You. You should feel like that right now. Like, you should feel empty. You should feel used, abandoned. I'm not sure what other words I can think of to. To kind of. But that's the only. Huh?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I feel let down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

You should. You should. Because, hey, the way you've been boasting and bragging about your Broncos, have I.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Not had something to boast and brag about? Ocho. Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, y'. All. Listen. You all had one hell of a season. Y'. All. You all going to.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

What you mean? The season ain't over? We 12 and.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know, but I'm saying.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Y'.

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All. Y' all 12 and three. That's what I'm saying. You had one hell of a season still. I'm not. I'm not saying. I'm not saying anything. Y' all still going. Listen, y' all still going to the playoffs.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, tonight. Tonight. It's all about tonight. We ain't talking about the future. We ain't talking about the future. We talk about the night. Boy, y' all got y' all ass. You know what? I'm not even gonna curse tonight, okay?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

We gonna get to that game, but let's get to the game that we just this watch. The Patriots beat the Baltimore Ravens by the score of 28 to 24. Drake made 31 of 44, 382 touchdowns. He had the one pick, but he was sensational. They ran the ball 23 times for 79 yards. Lamar Jackson got injured again, left the game. Seemed like he took a knee to the ribs. He did not return. Tyler Huntley came in, played well, 9 of 10, 65 yards. Derrick Henry, 18 carries 128, two touchdowns. But somehow he's got to find a way to protect the football. And Z. Flowers, you would think by now the Ravens players would know that the protective football, but the M.O. is out on them. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Derrick Henry. One guy's going to tackle you, the other guy's going to try to get the ball out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The ball, yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Flowers. You watching camp? Ocho. How many times we see the drill, the defense run, somebody throws the ball, and the entire defense sprints and goes to the football. The D line, the D ends, the D tackle, the nose, whatever you run, they chase the football. Say, did you really think that you're five yards from the line of scrimmage, that you're gonna start and stop and nobody's gonna come from behind? Yeah, nobody.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When you. When you make those kind of moves, they have. Shifty as Z. Flowers is, he has to understand you got time for one move. After that, knowing the journey's over. Knowing the journey's over because pursuit is coming. You got to know it. You got. You got time for one move. You catch, you make one move. You either get your ass down or you go forward. One, one, whatever. You don't have time to make two. He tried to make a second move, huh, Ocho? And you can't do it.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Ocho. There's a minute and 45 minutes and 50 seconds on the clock, and you got three timeouts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You got plenty of time. That's the equivalent of three minutes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

If you get out of bounds. No time. You don't even have to use your timeouts, but you got enough time to use your timeouts. There is nothing to be in a rush about. B. A, be fast, but don't be in a rush.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hurt in a hurry.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah, that's it, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I don't get it. Zay Flowers, you got a problem, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You remember the AFC championship game? We. We've seen him have that problem again this year. Henry, you got a problem, bro. Yeah, that's. That's. The guy's gonna. One guy's gonna tackle you, the other guy's coming to get the ball out. Henry.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I'm just telling you what it is now, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you're right. Listen, D. Henry. D. Henry. His problem was obviously Uncle. He was wearing them goddamn sleeves. And you can't feel a goddamn ball when you got them sleeves on. Remember he had the double sleeves on? And I said on the show, I guarantee you the rest of the season, he gonna take them damn sleeves off. So he can feel the ball underneath his skin. You got to be able to feel that pig skin. And then obviously tonight, it was. It was unlucky. Somebody wrapped him up. And listen, he hit the ball at the right place. He hit the ball in the right place, and it came out zay. Got to understand. You got to know when the journey is over, young boy, you got to understand. I know you want to make a play when you. We know you shifty. We know one person ain't going to make a tackle or be able to bring you down. But in that situation, you got to know, get all you can and get to that. Get your ass down so you guys can do what you need to do. And continuing that drive.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

If you don't mind me asking, where did Derrick Henry have the ball? Did he have the ball high and tight or did he have the ball right here?

[Chad Ochocinco]

A little low. It was a little low.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Exactly.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it was a little low.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You, now, you. Now, you see, now, okay, he came back, he started carrying the high, but sometimes he relaxed. And you know, in football, you can't relax, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, absolutely not.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You got to be on high alert at all times. But look, Nate Wiggins had a chance to seal the game. He guessed right. They ran a slant. He played it perfect, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They blitzed.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You got to close the deal. Yeah, you got to close that deal. Ocho. He. You can't play it any better, Ocho. Yeah, he started creeping inside. He beat him to the point, Ocho, you ended. That's a pick. You got to hit your head on the goal post. Now you run into the end zone and jump and slide down the goal post like you're a fireman.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

When he didn't make that play, I said he lost the game. Yeah, it always happens like that. Go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I say he almost got it. Listen, he read it right. He understood there was a bits coming. And obviously when the bits is coming that goddamn hot, it was two by two. You know, the slant is coming every single time you. You watch him film, and he knows that. And he. He understood assignment. He just wasn't able to make the play.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

No, you gotta make, Ocho, you gotta make the play. Yeah, because guess what happened? They go down and score a touchdown. Yeah, because the whole thing, what we say, Ocho, if they make a mistake, we've got to make them pay the ultimate price.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

If. If we make a mistake. Quarterback, just hold on to the ball. Wide receiver, if the ball is thrown up there, just break it up. Get A pack. Get a PI. Just don't let them get you. Got to make that play, son.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I can't. I can't. We got the perfect defense on. We got the right call on. And guess what? The bliss is coming. You know, it's Ocho. He took one step and he starts creeping inside. If they run a sluggo, he dead to right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He done.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

He does say, son, if they run a slow go, that's on me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's on us. Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

If they run that slant, you be there to take it to the house.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I'll be a damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hey, that goddamn Drake, mate. Boy, that goddamn Drake. Make you hear me? Hey, I don't. I don't know what it is about Rabbit Robert Kraft. I don't know who does the goddamn draft in there, but boy, they've been lucky. Boy, they. They have been lucky. Obviously you didn't hit with Mac Jones his first year. His first year. He was phenomenal.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah. His first year coordinator. Tell the people who his offensive coordinator was.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Josh McDaniels.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Okay. Who's the Drake maze off as a coordinator?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Josh McDaniels.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Okay. Bill Belichick tried to get cute. He's gonna have Matt Patricia and. And Joe Judge to be his offensive coordinator.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Yeah. Matt Patricia is a defensive specialist. Huh? Matt Patricia is a defensive specialist. You know, I. I know that those who understand the game have been around the game long enough. Understand that's his specialty. There's no reason Matt Patricia should have been calling anything offensively. There's a reason why Mac Jones. I mean Mac Jones. There's a reason why Drake may looks the way he does. Not only does he have the right supporting cast, not only does he have the right supporting cast. With led by Stefan Diggs and brother Mac Hollins and Booty and the rest of them young boys. They have a great running game. They have a great running game. And that goddamn Josh McDaniels is playing to Drake. Mace drinks.

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All.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Mmm.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

He's planning to make strengths, and it's making things easy. They. Making it look easy. I mean, the Patriots are back. Huh?

[Sophie Cunningham (Prostate Cancer Ad)]

They.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They.

[Chad Ochocinco]

In the playoffs now. The Patriots are.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They are back.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They got a chance. They got a chance. Along with. Look, the. The Patriots.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

The Broncos.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

The Jags all have a chance. The. The Chargers all got a chance at the number one seed.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

The inside track. Basically, it could be the Jags because the Jags have beat the Broncos. They beat the Chargers. They beat the 49ers. They beat the Chiefs.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

How's that for an impressive resume?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, very impressive. And matter of fact, you know what? The Ferrari still in the garage. The Ferrari for the Jaguar is still in the garage. I'm assuming he's out for the season, right?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Who? That Travis Hunter. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, listen. I mean, listen, the Ferrari. The Ferrari, as I like to call him, he's still in the garage. So they were able to do what they've done this this year offensively without Travis Hunter, your number two pick. You know, someone who's special, who's been a. Who. Who we know can do some things on both sides of the ball. And they've been. They've been phenomenal all year long. And what, the. The Jaguars, what, 11 and 4 or 12 and 4?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yes, 11 and 4.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, listen, Duvall, man.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Oh, they might as well just go ahead and shut Lamar down. Yeah, well, he has not been the same since he's came back and Ocho and.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And, you know, I don't really advocate for anything like this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

But it might be time for the Ravens to get a new voice. They're moving further and further away from getting where they want to be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right, hold on. Wait, wait. Take your time. Take your time. Real quick now. I. It's Sunday, so if you gonna preach, I may need better context and to give me a little bit more perspective now. A new voice. A new voice.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yes. A new. Yes. They need to go in a different direction. First of all, they've allowed this team to get old and slow. They got no pass rush. Drake May had all night. And when you brought pressure, that sacrificed your back end.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Marlon Humphrey's a little older now. He's not the same Marlon Humphrey that he once was. Although he had great. A great coverage on Williams. It was just a perfect throw. But you cannot allow the guy to pat the ball. Drake May was just patting the ball, right? Just patting the ball. Just patting the ball all night long. And when you brought pressure because they're not good in coverage. Yeah, he's just picking them apart.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And. And I look at the Ravens right now, There is not one Baltimore Raven fan that can tell you that they have a realistic chance if they were to make the playoffs, if. Even if Lamar came back, they got a realistic chance of getting to and winning the Super Bowl. They're further away now. They've gotten further and further away from the super bowl than what they were a couple years ago.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now. Now, wait. Wait a minute. Are you saying this now? We do have to understand that Lamar. Lamar went out. Lamar was. Was hurt.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They had Lamar last year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, but, I mean, you got to understand, they.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Are they closer to a Super Bowl? Lamar is getting. And what happened last year? He played all the way through the year before that. What happened? He got hurt. What happened this year? The injuries are starting to come with greater regularity. And if you take his legs away from him, Ocho, they're not the same team.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Whoa, wait, wait, wait. If you take his legs away, he's phenomenal. He's shown improved.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

How does he look?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

How does he look that he can't run dealing with that hamstring? You say he got his arm. They take his leg.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You said he could.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

How does he look? No, no, no, no. How does he look? You said. I said if you take his legs away from him, he's not the same guy. You said if you take his leg away from him, he can still beat you with his arm. How has he looked since he got injured with those legs and he cannot run? How does he look?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, okay. I mean, not the. Not the Lamar we're used to seeing not the. But. But. But also. But also. What I. What I. What I will say is. I. Me. Listen, I'm not even a Ravens fan. I'm not even a Raven fan.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

But.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But in this case, the whole. We. We need a new voice. We. We've allowed this team to get slower. Listen, there's only so much you can do, though.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You hear what I'm saying? There's only so much you could do. You know, listen, you think about premium pass rushers. It ain't that many. It ain't that many. Being able to put a team together that can make a quarterback uncomfortable and get a quarterback off the spot. And you know that. That being able to have players where.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That model and that. That analogy that you guys have, play like a Raven, like, those are hard to come by. Those are hard to come by. So you. You have to draft correctly. You have to develop correctly that.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

That.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's just not. That hadn't been their identity in a very long time. That team goes as Lamar Jackson goes.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And he's not going right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah. And when. And when he does go come playoff time, he's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

He hasn't been Lamar Jackson of the regular season. The Lamar mvp, Jackson in the playoffs. Near not enough.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I understand.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Oh, you know the guy that leaves the Ravens. And sacks. You know how many sacks he has?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Three.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Three and a half.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I knew. I knew I was right. I knew I was right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

So how you. How do you think as a defense you can play when you got a guy that leaves your team and he has three and a half sacks? And here we are about to be in week 17.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

How do you win with three and a half sacks? Your leading sacker has three and a half. That puts immense pressure on your secondary.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Secondary. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. And. And you asked me the question, right? And I knew. I knew exactly what the number was going to be. It had to be 3. 3. 3. 3 or somewhere. 3, 3 or 5. I went with the lowest. I went with 3.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Offensive line isn't very good. You're right. You're. You, you, you. You're right guard. He wasn't the reason why you. You didn't play well tonight. I mean, he was himself. But it's just too. You make too many mistakes. They're not good enough to overcome those mistakes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Bingo.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

There. There was a time in the regular season that the Ravens could turn the ball over and Lamar Jackson could play well. Enough to overcome that. That was. No, the case.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That that was last year. That was last year. That, that was. That was a 41 touchdown, four interception season. They could have turned the ball up a goddamn two, three times in the game. And the offense they put up last year, the Lamar Jackson we saw last year.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They're able to overcome that now this year because of the injuries and him coming back. The hamstring really not being what it should be, you know, Ah, it's different. It's different. And you can tell something is wrong. You know, you can tell something is wrong with him. But even when I think about it, even at Lamar Jackson at 80% is still very, very good than other teams. 100.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Not. Not in today's game. That used to be the case, Ocho. Ah, the teams are too good. The, the Patriots are too good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Too good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They feel too good. The Broncos are too good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

The Chargers too good. He's not beating any of these teams.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

The Steelers are too good. He's not beating.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Steelers in there just because they wanted Steelers.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Lamar Jackson, not 100%. They're not beating any other teams that I named.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They could barely beat him when he's 100%. Because your defense is so atrocious.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Atrocious. Yeah. They bad.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

We just saw. We just. We're going to talk about this. Look at the Cowboys. They got a 4,000 yard passer, two 1,000 yard rushers. They got a running back that's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

That's probably 200 yards away from having a th yard, 4,000 yard passer, two 1,000 yard rushers, pass receivers and possibly a 1,000 yard rusher. And they can't. And they're not going to the playoffs. Why, Ocho? Because the defense is atrocious.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's bad. It's bad.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

It's hard to overcome that because one mistake, one time you go three and out, one turnover. Your defense can't stop anybody. They're going to put points on the board. Now it's got you playing catch up. It's going to get you out of your game. Yeah, but this game, right. Look, the, the Patriots, we knew the Patriots, they put everybody on alert.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

When they went to Buffalo and did what they did now Buffalo returned the favor. This is a different team because think about it, Ocho. Over the week, the Raiders went into their building and beat their ass. The Raiders did.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

We know the rate the Raiders looking for the top. Another top five pick and they're going to get it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

But when you look at. I mean, Ravens fans, y', all, we got to be real with each. We got to be real. Ozzy knows the cost. Ed knows. They need pass rushers. They need better protection on the offensive line.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You need one. You need one. Listen, I'm. I'm not part of the. The Ravens organization, but you need two things. Two things that should be mandatory this off season, whether it be veteran presence or you do it in the draft. You need a right guard. You need a special defensive end that can go get the quarterback. You need a special defense in. That can go get the quarterback. I don't know if you can find that in the draft. I don't know if you can find a. A veteran who is. Who is, you know, who is very good. But those are two things you need to do. And then you build from the front end to the back end.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah, I. I don't know. You're probably. Look, if there's somebody in free agency, you're gonna have to overpay for a mocho. You know how that is in free agency. You always have to overpay because you're asking him to move, possibly uproot his family, uproot the kids, make new friends. So you have to pay a premium on that. With all that being said, they got a lot of holes to fill. They got to do. They got to redo something with Lamar's contract. Yeah, he's got a high cap number. They're gonna have to redo something with that. Flyers contract is up. They're gonna have to do something with that. You're probably gonna look to scale down Marlon Humphrey's contract. You're probably going to look the scale down. Roquan Smith's contract. You just.

[Sophie Cunningham (alternate or additional ad segment)]

You.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You got to make tough decisions oo this team. The way this team is constructed right now with the players they have right now is. You see that team? They just played?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They young as f. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hey, a bunch of babies now, huh? A bunch of babies. They. They basically. I mean, age wise, they just like the goddamn Packers.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A bunch. A bunch of frat boys right out, right out of college just having fun.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And, you know, and it's a. It's a freak accident. Lamar Rel. He got down and the guy slid it and need him in his. And need him in his side like he got. Got a rib or something right in the back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen. That's a back intrusion, huh? Oh, man. Once. Once that. Once that. That blood that not. Not up like right there, man. Listen. What's that? You know the gr. It's called the Graston, right?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

The Graston. You know, the metal thing.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They get the. The.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Oh, yeah. They try. Yes. Oh, yeah. I know what you're talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. That's all. That's all that was. Hey, remember when you do remember. I know you did this when you was growing up, when you put the frog in your arm right here. That's what that is. And just in the back.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And you know, it probably got him a little. You know, it's a combination because it's probably a little lower than when the real. Because, you know, he got a flapjack. He could wear a flap jacket.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And it probably, you know, it probably. When he slid, it slid up and it got him, you know, right up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Under there, right in the sweet spot.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

But the Patriots. The Patriots are very good. They're going to be a tough out. They're going to be a very, very tough out. Drake May was phenomenal tonight. They didn't run the ball like they normally. They normally do. But Drake May could throw the ball because he was really under. I mean, he got sacked three times for six yards. But I, I just. I. I just. I just don't know where the Ravens go from here, Ocho. Yeah, I don't. I just. I just know the way this team is currently constructed.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They're not good enough to compete for a Super Bowl. Even if Lamar play. Even if Lamar runs into that phone booth and put that cape on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

That defense and the weapons that he has around him, they're not good enough.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And they. They played as well. Tyler Huntley played extremely well tonight. I mean, he was 9 to 10. Derrick Henry, you know, the one fumbled. But you can't. In games like this where you, like, you're kind of challenged, though.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right? Right? Yeah, you got to. And also on. Also you gotta. You gotta get them boys a little grace now. Zay Flowers. That. That was. That was. That was ridiculous. Listen, you. You fumbled before in the open field trying to make plays, like almost doing too much, you know. Now with Derrick Henry, the fumbles have been a problem. They've been a problem. You got to understand if you got to run the goddamn ball like Tiki Barber and had a goddamn ball is a goddamn ear hole run with the ballistic high, high and tight. You know, you get. You got to over exaggerate. You got to over exaggerate. And he just got a little comfortable, you know, one dude wrapping him up and he had the ball. Damn. They're down there by his Hip, you know, so, you know, once somebody come in here and swipe at it or attack you like they're going for the punch. Hey, they.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They got lucky and. But Ocho, you remember AFC championship game. What happened with Zay Flowers? What'd he do? You remember that fumble? Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

How many fumbles he got this year? He got like two fumbles. Two or three fumbles this year, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

He's real loose with the football.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, Is he? And it's trying to. It's trying to do too much, huh? It's easy. It's easy. It's easy. Fix. Understanding his pursuit coming. Knowing when your journey's over. Make one move, get out, or make one move and use. Make sure the sideline is your friend. Make sure the sideline is your friend, huh? Get your ass out of bounds.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

He got three fumbles lost, Ocho. That's a problem.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So they. They didn't get none of them back.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Three fumbles lost. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Golly, you gotta. You gotta fix that.

[Sophie Cunningham (alternate or additional ad segment)]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Gotta fix that.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And that. That's a. Therein lies a. Because if you're challenged defensively.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

It puts so much pressure on your offense because you know, if you turn it over, you can't stop anybody.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You got the airport tonight. You created a turnover. I mean, think about it. They lost. What? They lost one of the fumbles. They lost one fumble. Drake may fumble, and they lost that. So they had two turnovers. And it's just. Look, I think the thing is the. The Ravens got some very, very tough decisions to make this off season.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. There are a few teams in that. In that same boat, huh?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The Chiefs are not. The Chiefs are another one. They got some very tough decisions to make. They got the revamp. They got to revamp.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They got a clean house because just look around. The Chargers are young. What do the charges have, Ocho? Young quarterback.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yep. The Patriots. What? They got? Young quarterback.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got youth on their side.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Young quarterback.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Youth. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Gags. Young quarterback.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Those teams also have something defensive that'll get after your ass.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I got to take my house to Trevor Lawrence. They pressured him. They sacked him five times, and he still was throwing the ball.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. So.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Ravens got to make some very tough decisions. And from top down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Clearly we don't have the players. Enough of the players that we need to get there. But do we have the right voice?

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[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

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[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

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[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

The Steelers beat the Lions 29 24. Jared Goff somehow scored an 8 yard rush touchdown as time expired, but an offensive penalty nullified the game winning score. Head referee Carl Cheppers explained because of the penalty was on the offense that Golf's touchdown was nullified by NFL rules and offensive penalty when time expired does not trigger a replay for a previous play. So the Steelers walked away with a crucial late season victory. Ojo at some point in time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, talk to me.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

What's the coach name? The Lions coach.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, Dan Campbell.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Dan Campbell.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

At what point in time Moo Is he gonna take points?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, instead of just going for it.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

So now if he take the points in the first quarter when he got the ball right now to kick a field goal, guess what he gets to do now? Oo Walk it off.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Walk it off. Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Look you did that last year and it worked for you. Yes, just like the Chiefs. Oo the Chiefs record in one score games last year was what? Now look at them this year in one score game it's the complete opposite. If you think what you did last year is going to carry over and translate to what you do this year. Fooling yourself.

[Sophie Cunningham (alternate or additional ad segment)]

It.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

It weighs out. There's no way you can be 30 and. And 30 wins in one one score games.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You can't keep going for a Dan Campbell on fourth down. You're putting too much pressure, too much pressure on your team. Yeah, and he going forward on fourth and fourth. Oh, Jordan ain't fourth and one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it's fourth and four. Yeah, that. Listen, that's. That's extreme confidence in your team. That's extreme confidence in your offense, extreme confidence in your game plan, your schematics, and everything you have going on. Where you feel. Hey, fourth and fourth, man F Analytics. I don't care what analytics say. We going for it because I believe in my team. This is the guns that I stick by, and I'm stick by them. This is what I've always done and I'm a die on that hill.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

It takes. You have to be special, Ocho, to be confident and not delusional. You got to be careful.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like that. That's a good one right there, boy.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

That's a skill in and of itself to be confident and not delusional. Just look at your team. Is your team the same? Is your team offensively and your team defensively the same as it was last year?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, defensively they're not. They are depleted. Defensively, I'm talking about completely depleted deep. Offensively, you still. You still there.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You still got everything you need? Look at your defense. I think both your corners out. Your safety is out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Safety is out. Yep. Brian Branch is out. Kirby Joseph. I mean that. Both strong and free, huh?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. So, yeah, they're depleted. Matter of fact, the damn Lions have the same issue they had last year. Defensively, yes, everybody was hurt. Everybody was banged up. The onus of winning games was on the offense, which is why you had to go for it sometimes on those four downs. And that might be the reason why he is doing it, because he doesn't want to put the ball back in Aaron Rodgers hands. We got to go for it, hoping we can get it because our offense is that good. I trust in Jameson now. I trust in my quarterback, Jared Goff to make the right decisions with the ball. I got Jameer Gibbs, I got David Montgomery. I got, you know, so. So he's going for it, trusting that his team is going to do what they need to do because I don't want to put my defense back out there.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I think you got to tip your hat to the Steelers defense. Oo, yeah, they played good. Detroit ran the ball 12 times for 15 yards, they played better. Seen somebody hold this rank. This Lions rush attack.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

To 15 yards with Gibbs and Montgomery puts a lot of stress on Jerry. Golf and he was good. He was 34, 54, 364. Three touchdowns.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope. No picks.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

No picks. I'm surprised that they call that on Tesla. But, bro, you gotta make it seem you just can't run in there and put your head down. They're gonna call it Ocho. You gotta make Ocho. All you gotta do, you want to make the guy bubble, just go down there and turn around right quick like you're looking for the ball. Because St. Brown is gonna be right off your hip.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You can't run into the guy. They're gonna call it every time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Every time.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And I bet your doorknob to a bucket of cow manure his position coach has gone over with him that. Gone over that with him numerous times, son. You just can't run into the guy. You gotta make it look like you're running. Running a route. If you run into the guy that's not running a route, they're gonna think you're blocking him. And they're gonna call it every time, son.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I'm sure you know his coach like that. You know it is because that co coaches are going to be thorough on plays like that because they know if you don't do it the right way, you know the flag is coming out.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

The flag is coming.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know it's coming.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

The Lions playoff hopes are slim to none now. Ocho. Detroit leads the packers to lose their last two games against the Ravens. And the Vikings. And the Lions need to win their last two games against the Vikings. And the north leading Chicago Bears in order to keep their playoffs hopes alive is not looking good. The Steelers would. Same thing with the Steelers. The Steelers are in a commanding position. They would need to lose their last two games and have the Baltimore Ravens win their last two games. And I don't see that happening. The Ravens, that's over. Yeah, that's over. But back to. Back to Detroit. Aaron Rodgers was 27 of 41, 266, one touchdowns, no interception. He was sacked twice. Jalen Warren 14 carries. Ocho A Buck 4310 yards of carry. They had 230 yards rushing. Kenneth Gainwell was unbelievable. That catch that he made, I still don't know how you caught that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That was nice song. Listen, you talk about. You talk about the football gods being on your side, the ball bouncing in your favor. That's. That's all that was that was nothing but the football God's own brother Gainwell side, you know, and the fact, hey, he's such an awesome dude threat hunk. He can run the ball. He, they can line him up outside, he can come out the backfield, you know, run, oh man, run diagonals. He can run, he can run deep. I mean he, he's really, he's been a great acquisition to that offense for Aaron Rodgers.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I love what Aaron Rogers said. Aaron Rogers said we got him on the cheap. He said, my job is to get him paid. He said, I'm gonna get him paid. He damn sure gonna get him paid. I don't know if he's gonna be in Pittsburgh, but somebody can use that. He can return punts, he can catch the ball out of the backfield, he can run the ball. Yeah, he's small, but Darren Sprouls played a. Darren Spro played damn near 15 years and he was smaller than Gainwell. So I don't want to hear nothing, but I don't care nothing about no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Size and, and, and what's, what's important also is Gainwell going to a place where they're going to use him to his strengths. See, the Steelers are using them to his strengths. You know, finding the mismatches, putting them in position to be able to make those plays where they know you're not going to be able to stop it. You know what he reminds me of? And, and chat. Chat. Please forgive me. Young Bull was so good. He played with the Atlanta Falcons. He won number 84. They put him at running, but he was Patterson. What he remind me of Cordell Patterson because Cordell Patterson was your elite Swiss army knife. They can do everything. Yeah, he could do. He could do everything. Yeah, you know, you know, House is like that a little bit.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Joshua Cribs.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Josh Cribs went to Florida fast as hell.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Oh, Percy Harvey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Percy got down Har. Yeah, Per. Percy was like that too. They lying Percy up any goddamn world. Come and get it however you want it.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah, I, the Steelers, I, I commend the Steelers cuz they, they. The way they played today, they went on and that defense was sensational. Stopping the run. They did an unbelievable job at stopping to run and they got enough pressure on Detroit, but they had an opportunity to win the game late in the ball game to get a PI call. Tesla just got it. You got to be smart, son. You got to be smart. You can't run in there and duck your head because to the officials it looked like you're blocking. You got to look like you're going in there to catch a pass. If you do that, you win the ball game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

But they're going to miss the playoff this year. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I mean, listen, it happens. It happens something when. When you lose certain players, when you lose key players on your defense and all the pressures on your offense to do everything. Right now, Dan Campbell, he has to be a lot more aggressive than he wants to be. I mean, it's something that he's used to doing. But I don't want to put my defense back out there because I understand that I'm putting us in harm's way. We're not very good at stopping people because some of my better players, my key players and key positions are not available.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Ocho. But what overshadowed the Steelers victory was DK Metcalf being involved in an altercation with a fan at Ford Fields during the second quarter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

In an angle of the incident posted on Instagram, DK walked up to a fan, grabbed him by his shirt collar, pulled him closer, and then forced. Forcefully shoved him. Shoved him back. Now, I read something where the guy said he called him by his government name.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I could tell you.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I'm just. I got word. Obviously, I'm not condoning, you know, putting your hands on the fan or punching the fan, but he did call him a racial slurry, called an N word, and he did call his mama. And I think with those words being exchanged and the fans saying that, I think that's where the action, you know, occurred, where he. He threw. I think he threw a punch. I'm not sure if he connected or whatever, but he did call him the N word, and he called his mama mama, I guess.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Just say the C word, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, my bad. Oh, that's bad.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah, it's bad. It's terrible. It's terrible.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. My bad. Yeah. Okay. But, yeah, he did that. So he called him the N word and the C word. That's a bad combination. A bad combination. And it caused DK to react. I'm sure he would have to. He would have to deal with some type of discipline. You know how the NFL is. No matter. No matter what, no matter what. Said they want you to be able to control yourself in. In. In that situation. But I understand. I understand.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I agree. Cause that's the. I. I think the guy was giving his side of it. He said all he did was call him by his government name. And I'm like, I'm sure a lot of people called him by. He's Heard his government name called before.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I see. That's a strong overreaction for someone to call, be called. You have a government name and then you act like that. So I didn't put a whole lot of credence into that. I'm sure somebody that was close by would have heard what he said. It's going to come out. It's going to come out. I'm sure those fans. Because at the end of the day, yeah, hey, we all Detroit Lions fans. But more times than not, when you're wrong, fans will normally come as a visitor or not. If fan gets out of line, fans normally can't say no. That's not what was said. Yeah, you said this, this and this. You did this, this and this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And matter of fact, another reason why fans are going to come out, especially Detroit Lions fans. They're not going to allow one fan to make the rest of us look bad. They're not going to allow that. Listen, whatever he said, we ain't got nothing to do with that. We don't feel like that. Now, he might have been drunk out his mind, right, and said some things that he's probably going to come back and apologize for. But if I'm not mistaken, but you know, they got sound that can catch everything in that stadium. Everything, Especially sitting that close to the sideline. Now, I'm sure, I'm sure it will come out. It, it probably will. And I guarantee you one thing about it, as a player, you're not going to lie about what somebody said. Because in order for somebody to catch your attention, for you to walk from.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

The sideline all the way, and that's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That ain't, that ain't. That ain't no government name. Monkey know goddamn well. But hold on. You said what? Let me, let me holl at you for a little minute, man. And there was another situation like that. Remember when Marcus Peters, somebody said something. Marcus Peters, and he walked back there, say, man, hold on, bro. What you say?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Don't let, don't let this football game fool you now.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah, you're right. I, I, I. Look, I just hate. Look, I get it. Your team cheer a, you know, big static. But y' all gotta, y' all gotta chill with these names, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I mean, why would you, why, why go to do that? To call somebody a racial slur? Why do you call somebody that? Why would you do that?

[Rob Gronkowski]

Why?

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I mean, to get a reaction cheer. But you, you ain't got to. You, you ain't got to call me no racial slurp. You ain't got to do none of that. Now. I want everybody that, you know, there's a lot of. There's a lot of hate going on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

That's being disseminated. I'mma need a couple of the guys that, you know, y' all know who y' all that try to pick up what. What we said 5amonth ago and try to run with it. I want y' all to cover this too, but this right here, man, I oo. When I'm listening, I'm like, well, damn, for DK to go over there and it's like, well, he said. All I said was his. His government name.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

That man walked. Ray crossed that. Just cause you said his government name.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, but you know. You know good and. Well, you know. And the funny thing about it too, is they pick up the sound. Those. I forgot what those devices are called that they have on.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

On the side, they got boom mics.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, the boat, the boom mics. They pick up all that. Especially when you sitting that close to the field, they picking up all that. So if you sitting here talking about, oh, I just said this government name, definitely the NFL is going to come out and correct you if you're lying.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, DK is going to have to deal with his punishment regardless.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

He going to deal with it. He going to get fined or he's going to get suspended. Something's going to happen. And he understands that. But at that point in time, he's like, bro, you being wild, disrespectful.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You being wild, disrespectful. The NFL is not going to take kindly this Ocho, because even though they say, look, what he said was wrong.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, but you can't.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can't. Yeah, you can't. You can't touch them. You can't touch him. You can't. You can't touch him. But. But that's. That's one of those situations. That's one of those situations where fans are so comfortable being able to say what they want to say, because they do. They feel protected. You know, they're very comfortable. You know, they sitting in the. In the stands and I can be able to say what I want to. You know, and sometimes you can say certain things because you don't know how certain people are going to react to certain things that they hear. Everybody don't react the same.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Everybody don't react the same. So depending on what you do say, I kind of understand it. But on the. On the Flip side of things. Okay, you can't do that, but I understand.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Hey, look, we could. All I'm gonna say is this. There's a lot of times when words are said to us, they're just words. When words get said to other communities, they're more than words. We're gonna leave that alone. We're gonna keep it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, take your time. It's Sunday.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

We're gonna move along, but y' all know what I mean? Oh, it's just words. We got to be real careful when they're not just words.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on, now.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

But anyway, look, It's. I just. I hate this for dk, you know? Look, DK is an emotional player. Dk, you know, DK has gotten a couple of penalties on the field where he's grabbed somebody. Face mask, or he punched. Pushed some people or did some things. So he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

He plays. He plays right there to the edge. Oh, yeah, he does. But in a situation like this, I. I hope there are fans that heard what this fan said. And I agree with you, Ocho. I hope a boom mike could pick up what he. What. What the. What the gentleman said. Yeah, because we. Come on, now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know that boom. You know that boom. Pick up everything. A goddamn. A goddamn rack, a scamp across the field. The boom is going to pick that up. Now, I'm not condoning DK touching the fan. You can't touch the fans. But based on what. What I was told from a reliable source who wears number four. That's what it was. He called me out, you know, and he called me the N word. He called my. He called, you know what? The C word. But I. I ain't going with that.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Leave people. Mom alone, man. People don't play about their mom and grandma and their wives and stuff like that, man. Leave that alone.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Leave that alone. I mean, hey, We. They just got. They just got to stop this foolishness, man. Come on, fans. Y' all better than this. Yeah, and I get it. Hey, I. I get, you know, you excited for your team and you want to get your team fired up. Yeah. Hey, but we got. We gotta. We gotta. We gotta ease up with the racial stuff. We gotta leave people. Moms and grandmas and. And kids and wives and stuff. We gotta leave that. We gotta leave that stuff out. People hurt you about that. You have to understand that. Because at the end of the day, that's still a human. That's. At the end of the day, a man is a man, a woman is a woman.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

It doesn't matter how much money they make. They still have feelings. They still cry, they still get excited, they still feel sadness. They still, if you cut them, they'll bleed. Yes, they are human. Sometimes people think just because you make an enormous sum of money or you're rich or you're famous or you're influential, you supposed to absorb yourself now. I have no feelings right now. I have no emotions. I'm not even as a matter of fact now money has made me. I'm not even human anymore. All the things that I would normally feel as a human, you're supposed to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Go out the window.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

I no longer feel that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I mean that's, that's, that's how most people, that's how most people view those that, that, that are well off or rich or that are wealthy, that they're not supposed to have any issues. They're supposed to be numb to any and everything but obvious. But, but honestly it's actually the opposite way. It's the opposite way for, for many of them. And it's, it's unfortunate. That's just the way society is and it's been that way for a very, very, very long time. And I mean, listen, this is an unfortunate incident. Again, I don't condone what DK did. I do understand it. After finding out exactly what was said.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Everybody, the NFL is going to do their due diligence.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. They're going to do what they got.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

They don't, they don't want, they, they, they're going to react, but they don't want to overreact.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right. Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

So they're going to do their homework. They're going to take their time. They're going to get anybody. Did anybody, was anybody that was in that area in section blah blah blah, whatever the case may be. Did anybody hear the interaction between this gentleman and DK Metcalf?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

He said what he said. DK said what he said. Now there's a, in, in the middle somewhere is the truth.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And the NFL, you know what they, they in a tough spot. But what they do have to do is, you know, one thing about the NFL. They don't play by that shield. They don't play, but they don't play by that shield. And they gonna do everything to protect that shield. So the players is going to have to be disciplined no matter what. You know, we, we, we, we can't allow stuff like this to happen. Set a precedent that if you do do something like this, even though whatever, whatever, whatever it is Might have been said what we still have to protect that shield. Cuz long after you gone, we still have a business to run.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Yeah. Because the n. The NBA is getting real. The NBA object. If you talk about, man, you killing my parlay. They taking people out, man, you ruin my, my, my, my. They taking people out. The NBA is getting there. Like look here. No, we're not having anything, any, any of that. We, we, we're, we're removing you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And, and it's really hard because like I said, it's so loud in an. In. An in, in, in, in. In the dome or you know, even if you're outside when you got 70, 80,000 fans, it's really hard to hear.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

So for DK to actually hear that something, something prompted him to turn around, leave his designated area and go back there and ask what did you say something caused him to do that now? I don't know. He said, the gentleman said. I read somewhere where the gentleman said all I did was call him by his government name. I guess he didn't like me calling by his government name. That's what he. Oh, I'm just saying what he said there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got you.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And so we're gonna find out more as the days come and hopefully guys, we find out something tomorrow so we can give you that information. But as of right now, it's a, it's a. He said, he said, yes, sir. And we're gonna, they're gonna have to get to the bottom of this. So we'll find out. But you know the NFL, there's gonna be a fine. They're gonna be a fine. At worst case, at, at minimum there'll be a fine.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Worst case scenario, you reach, you put your hands on somebody, they might suspend them. I hope that's not the case. But a fine is coming and it's probably going to be a substantial one. Probably fifty, a hundred thousand dollars or.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe, I say fifty. Say fifty.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

DK have four catches, 42 yards, nine target play well. I mean look, they, the Steelers played well, went into a hostile environment, handled the crowd noise exceptionally well. Rogers was dealing the ball game well, played great. Even Adam Thielen came up with some big catches. Yeah, the big guy dubbed Wash D Washington.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

Played extremely well. I thought, look, this is, this is the Steelers. This is one of their better games. This was absolutely one of their better games. And, and Steelers deserve to win and look like they're going to win the AFC North. Now the question is there's a great chance no matter what happens, this fan is going to get banned. So now you ask yourself, now, I hope those are his seats. Because a lot of times, Ocho, you know, sometimes if I got season tickets and I let somebody get those season tickets and they misbehave, I'm responsible for their behavior. Yeah. I lose out. So that's why you have to be careful who you give your seats to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

And who you give, you know, who do you give tickets to? Because they know what these tickets below. Hey, these bones, Ocho. This was the Ocho guest.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

You're responsible for a fan in those seats in Cincinnati, as I was in Denver or in Baltimore.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly co-host with B)]

So. Well, hopefully everything gets itself resolved. Sorry that this incident had to happen. It's a very unfortunate situation for dk, for everyone involved. The NFL, Detroit, the Steelers, everybody involved. It's a very unfortunate situation. So hopefully in the coming days, we'll have some sort of resolution.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Julian Edelman]

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