Nightcap Hour 1: Shannon RESPONDS to Micah Parsons COMMENTS + World Champion Boxer Franchon Crew-Dezurn JOINS Nightcap + Matt LeFleur DEFENDS Nathaniel Hackett HIRE as OC

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 (Feb 19, 2026)

Episode Theme:
In this episode, Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson break down Micah Parsons’ pointed comments about sports analysts—specifically Shannon and Skip Bayless. The discussion revolves around what fair criticism looks like for elite athletes and how the dynamics have evolved in the era of social media. The hosts are later joined by world champion boxer Franchón Crews-Dezurn, who previews her much-anticipated rematch against Claressa Shields, opens up about her mentality, career, marriage, and her aspirations outside the ring. The duo cap things off with a candid conversation about NFL coaching hires, nepotism, and personal stories about legacy and family.

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1. Responding to Micah Parsons’ Comments (10:00 – 28:00)

Key Segment:

Context of Micah Parsons’ Podcast Clip

• Shannon plays the full Micah Parsons clip from Funny Marco’s podcast (10:21), where Parsons voices frustration with sports analysts, notably Skip Bayless, and questions whether Shannon "plays both sides" as an analyst and ex-player.
• Parsons on analysts:
  • "A lot of these dudes is puppets for national TV. If you want to be a puppet, be a puppet. But that’s not me." (11:41)
  • On Shannon Sharpe: "He lives on both sides...he plays the fine line...he don’t really show up when it matters, but he’s a good player..." (11:19)

Shannon & Ocho’s Breakdown

• Shannon’s stance: He's fine with healthy criticism but draws the line when his honesty is turned into an accusation of "playing both sides."
  • "I was cool until he brought my name up." (13:09, Shannon)
  • "Micah Parson is a phenomenal player, but in order for the Cowboys to be better, he needs to be better. What’s wrong with that?” (14:47, Shannon)
• Ocho supports transparency and candor from athletes:
  • "I wish players were a little bit more honest and opened up about how they truly feel." (12:27, Ocho)
• Shannon reviews Parsons’ playoff performances and stats, arguing that fair critique comes with the territory of being a star:
  • "You set the bar pretty high. So come playoff times, this is where legends are made." (19:48, Shannon)
  • "We judge them on the playoffs. That’s how you make your name. That’s how you become legendary." (20:25, Shannon)
• On the analyst’s job:
  • “My job is to be as honest and as fair in my assessment of what I see…” (26:45, Shannon)
  • “Whatever the ingredients that you give me to make my argument for you, Ocho, that’s what I use.” (27:35, Shannon)

Notable Quotes:

• “There’s a fine line between confidence and delusion – Cowboys fans keep saying every year ‘this is our year.’” (15:52, Shannon)
• “Are we supposed to cheerlead for y’all no matter what?” (18:19, Shannon)
• “The only ones that get talked about are the great ones because we hold them to a certain expectation.” (19:24, Ocho)

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2. Franchón Crews-Dezurn Guest Interview (31:06 – 51:21)

Introduction

• Shannon and Ocho welcome Franchón, who’s preparing for her title fight against Claressa Shields.
• Franchón wastes no time asserting her confidence and history:
  • "The first time we fought I had a two-week notice...this time, you guys will see why." (31:37, Franchón)

Key Points

Preparation and Mindset

• Franchón’s camp:
  • "I’ve been ready to fight probably a week and a half ago. I don’t like long camps, because I’m a street fighter who learned to box." (34:13, Franchón)
  • "My mind is so made up, that will take me further." (33:44, Franchón)
• On her aspirations and family:
  • "I do have aspirations to be a mother…I’m not making $8 million, you know, but there’s opportunity." (40:55, Franchón)
• Longevity and legacy:
  • “There’s not a whole lot of women that get remembered for fighting…but you want them to mention your name.” (35:07, Shannon)
  • “I’m already a first ballot Hall of Famer.” (36:16, Franchón)

Rivalry with Claressa Shields

• “You forget, my name is right there. I’m the one Claressa looked up to…If she didn’t have a person like me, she wouldn’t be what she is.” (35:36, Franchón)
• On whether she’ll gloat if she wins:
  • "When I win, I might just walk out." (37:08, Franchón)
• On the fight’s importance:
  • “This type of win for me will be something I work for…it’s for me. I’m already a first ballot hall of famer.” (36:16, Franchón)

Personal Life & Values

• On marriage and longevity:
  • "We’re best friends…It's two individuals choosing to experience life together. I’m not trying to change him. He's not trying to change me." (48:37, Franchón)
• On her start in boxing:
  • “I wanted to be a singer, a pop star. I was a fighter that learned how to box. I was street fighting, equal opportunity girls.” (41:51, Franchón)
• Inspirations in music:
  • “Brandy, Destiny’s Child, Maya…that reinvention, longevity, that work ethic.” (44:32, Franchón)

Notable Quotes:

• “I fight with men, I spar with men. I don’t get knocked out by them.” (47:13, Franchón)
• “I put that on my damn mother – I’m coming from the old school. If you’ll whoop her ass, we gonna whoop your ass and send you back out there.” (42:49, Franchón)
• “If you expecting me to look like her, this is chaos…this is orchestrating chaos.” (46:47, Franchón)

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3. NFL Coaching: Nepotism, Opportunity, and Cycle of Hires (52:10 – 57:50)

Nathaniel Hackett & Matt LaFleur Discussion

• Shannon and Ocho discuss the questionable hiring of Nathaniel Hackett as Arizona’s OC after his poor stints with Denver and the Jets:
  • “It was a horrible decision…Hirings are based on what you’ve done. There are so many other coordinators who are worthy.” (52:50, Ocho)
• The hosts highlight the cycle of coaches hiring their friends, perpetuating a lack of opportunity for outsiders, especially minorities.
  • “Your friends and those you know…this is how they always keep each other employed.” (53:40, Ocho)
• On minority coaches not getting a fair shake:
  • “They don’t even put us in positions of power to make those calls.” (53:50, Ocho)
  • “I don’t think we have the green light and the full power we think we do simply because we’re the head coach.” (54:06, Ocho)
• Coaching trees and old boys’ network:
  • “Once you’re part of that coaching tree, you’re going to always have a job.” (55:49, Ocho)
  • “Look how they take care of one another.” (56:08, Shannon)

Notable Quotes:

• "That’s what we need to do…They don’t put us in those positions of power." (53:41, Shannon & Ocho)
• "When we get a head-coaching job, do we do that? No, we don’t." (53:54, Ocho)

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4. Personal Stories: Legacy, Family, and Home (62:24 – 76:35)

Life, Legacy, and Generational Homes

• Chad recounts his family’s home in Liberty City, its generational legacy, and his efforts to renovate and preserve it after his grandmother and mother passed.
  • “At one point, that house was a staple in Liberty City…I didn’t understand it back then, now I get who he was.” (65:01, Ocho)
  • “When I stayed with my grandma, I made it to the league. I stayed with her the first three, four years because I refused to go get a place.” (66:27, Ocho)
• Shannon shares about his own family home, his grandmother’s wishes, and the intense meaning a place can have for older generations.
  • “If the house that we had that we grew up in…had running water and indoor plumbing, I don’t think my grandmother would have left either.” (68:00, Shannon)
  • "She wanted to go to the house one last time...I would do it ten times over to see that woman, the joy..." (74:29, Shannon)

Notable Quotes:

• “There’s no greater feeling, Ocho. I know the feeling you felt when you made it. Now I can…all the sacrifices you make.” (70:41, Shannon)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Micah Parsons’ comments & analyst criticism: 10:00 – 28:00
• Franchón Crews-Dezurn interview: 31:06 – 51:21
• NFL coaching carousel/nepotism: 52:10 – 57:50
• Personal/family legacy stories: 62:24 – 76:35

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “Micah Parsons is a phenomenal player…but in order for the Cowboys to be better, he needs to be better.” (14:47, Shannon)
• “Once you’re part of that coaching tree, you’re going to always have a job.” (55:49, Chad)
• Franchón Crews: “I was a fighter that learned how to box. I was street fighting, equal opportunity girls.” (41:57)
• “You see that joy on that woman's face…I'd do it all over again.” (76:19, Shannon on his grandmother)
• “We love each other in agape form. That's like my son, my father, my brother, my husband. Two individuals choosing life together.” (48:37, Franchón)

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Tone & Style Notes

• The episode is lively, honest, and at times deeply personal, blending sharp sports analysis with humor and real-life insights.
• Shannon and Ocho are both candid and supportive—whether dissecting sensitive locker room dynamics, spotlighting inequities in coaching, or simply sharing heartfelt family stories.

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This summary covers the essential themes, highlights, and memorable moments from the episode, with speaker attribution and timestamps for navigation. Perfect for catching up and diving deeper into the ongoing conversations in sports, culture, and legacy.

Transcript

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, this, this is the thing. Joe was coming off an injury. He was hurt. So the fact that he was hurt. And, and for you, I feel bad for you because you're my elder. I, I, I, I toned everything down. I didn't really compete. I didn't really give up my all because you guys are damn near handicapped. But based on the way y' all acted, the next time we do anything competitive, just know I'm turning up and I'm not sparing nobody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, look here. I had to spend all my energy at the first preview flexion fight. The first, the first four. I only got. Oh, y' all steps. I already got so many jumps, so many turns in me. Yeah. And so I should have quit while I was ahead in the first bowling match. Yeah, but boy, they talk about, man, Unc talk about his knees and his back hip. Yes. My issue was on fire. Every chance I got, I sat my black ass down. Yes. My hips, my knees, my back were on fire. And I almost pulled my glute. So you, Yeah, I know y' all saying, mike, you throwing the ball like it's a softball. You damn right, because I was about to pull my glute and I was gonna have y' all laughing at me on camera. So I don't care what y' all say. But Joe, I know you watching. We got something.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe for your ass.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. All that because I didn't know Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was like this, Ocho. I didn't know Joe was like this.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, listen, I've been, Listen, I ain't heard Joe. You know, when I, when I think of Joe Johnson, right? And obviously watching him play, you know, throughout the years, I, I, I, I visualize Joe Johnson like Troy Palamalu. Yeah. I heard Troy Palamalu talk one time in 10 years. I never heard Joe talk. I don't know what then got wouldn't got in him. I don't know what done. What done happened. Yeah, but he, he, now he talking trash. He's selling out. Talk about how good he is talking about. Don't get him started. Wait a minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we, we go get you started.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, okay, I see what type of time you own, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So as I mentioned, we got Franchon Cruz. Discern. She's joining us. Ocho. She's fighting. Fighting Clarissa Shields.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

On Sunday, you know, we got Ryan Garcia, who's fighting Barrios on Saturday.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Saturday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can't wait for that, man. My hamstrings still hurt. My knee still hurting from that. Ocho. Michael Parsons went on Funny Marco's podcast and had some interesting comments. Ocho. Ocho. You know, we want to make sure everyone has the full context. Yes. So here is the full two minute clip. So we don't want to. No confusion. No, that's not what he said. Here's the full two minute clip of what Michael Parsons said on Funny Marco's podcast. Take a listen, Chat.

[Michael Parsons]

Like I tell you. Like, Skip Bayless Autumn. Like, I don't give a. That's that. But that's. That's them. Because that's part of talking. It's communication. Yeah. No, I just like, like they want to rage. Bait me, rage me. Like, but like, they won't say that to my face. Like, I wouldn't. I'll talk about it. These Twitter finger ass like them. I don't give a. I tell you how it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You suck.

[Michael Parsons]

You suck.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your show don't work no more.

[Michael Parsons]

Like, what are we talking about here? Just open them. Open thoughts. Yeah, that's why this is called open thoughts. Because you just have an open thought of like, like, like motherfuckers be trying to like tell you how to play the game. Come play my position, Skip, because I can do what you do. Shit, I do it better sometimes. Yeah, I see it. Yeah. So like, what are you. What are we talking about here? Is Shannon Sharp on the good side? Shay.

[Franchon Cruz]

Shay.

[Michael Parsons]

He live on. He live on both sides. Like, he know how to play the fine line between like as a player and as a show. Like he played that. Like he don't really show up when it matter. But he's a good player. Like he knows how to. But he knows how to. He sometimes he edge on that he be letting them ESPN riders get to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him a little bit.

[Michael Parsons]

I can tell. So do you see yourself at the retirement being a sports analyst and talking, you know, being on there? It honestly just depends on, like, if they let me be me. Like, I'm not here to instigate no other player or talk bad about another player because they had a bad game or whatever the organization, if they want me to be anti. Whatever fan base, I'm good, bro. I'm not no fucking puppet. A lot of these dudes is puppets for national tv. If you want to be a puppet, be a puppet. But that's not me. I'm not selling my soul for a check. I'm paid. I'm good yeah, Forever. Forever. That's why I want to be your friend.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You want to go first?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What would you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, I like that. I don't know what show it was. I don't know if our shows are numbered. But I did talk about. I wish players were a little bit more honest and were opened and would open up about how they truly feel. Start telling the truth on how they really feel. Everyone is always PC. This is the first person that I've seen come along and actually voice his opinion on how he felt about punishing analysts. Your thoughts?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was fine. I mean he said what he said about Skip. I'm not here to, to, to defend or protect or. Yeah, whatever he said about Skip, I was cool till he brought my name up.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait, it wasn't bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was a, I was an advocate. Right? Go back and look when he was coming out and see what I said about this young man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said, well, he knows how to play the right. You know what I do. This is what I do, Micah. Because what I believe. And I've said this before chat and y' all know I said this. Once a person has done something, whether or not he plays good, bad in a game, I don't take away from what he's already done. So Michael, me saying Michael is a phenomenal player. He's a first team all pro. He's a. A perennial defensive player of the year candidate. But he did not play well in this game. What's wrong with what I said? So here's some stat. Michael Parsons in the cap with the Cowboys. Ocho, he had 52 and a half sacks. 21, 22, 23, 24. He played in Green Bay. He became only the second player in NFL history to notch 12 plus sacks in his first four seasons. Behind the only great legendary Reggie White. Yeah. Rest his soul. In four playoff games with Michael Parsons played with the Cowboys. He has eight solo tackles, 10 assisted tackles, one sack, zero interceptions, zero force fumbles, zero fumble recoveries, zero touchdowns, three quarterback hits, three tackle for losses. Ocho, what am I supposed to do? Chad, please tell me what I'm supposed to do. Michael Parson is a phenomenal player, but in order for the Cowboys to be better, he needs to be better. What's wrong with that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So he needs to be better in those specific games once they reach the playoffs.

[Franchon Cruz]

That's what I said.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How am I playing both sides? I'm being honest. He's a phenomenal player, but he didn't play well today. That's why Green Bay put 48 on you. That's why those teams did what they did to your defense, because you didn't play like we've seen you play in the regular season. What is wrong with that? Oh, ESPN Riders. Chad. Do y' all really believe, Honestly, y'. All. Y' all seen me at a lot of different locations. Y' all seen me at FOX for seven years. Y' all saw me at ESPN for two. Do y' all really believe they be telling me what to say? Considering what I be saying, do you really honestly believe.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No. That that that would mean you would have a ghostwriter. And you can tell by the way you talk and the way you explain yourself and you go in depth about the game in general. That's not coming from anyone else except you and your expertise based on what you see. Because you don't watch the goddamn sound when you're watching football anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So that's all you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He also said, you know, he don't want to. You know, you don't like it ain't about a dislike in a fan base. My only thing is in the Cowboys, I say they have delusional fans because. Because every year. Think about it. When Jerry purchased this team in 1989, within the first seven years, he had gone to four NFC championship, three Super Bowls and won them all since that time. So he's on this team for 37 years. In the last 30 years, how many NFC Championship games have he gone to? Ocho? How many super bowl appearances? So the delusion is, is that the fans keep saying every single year, this is their year. This is their year. This is their year. This is their year. There's a very, very fine line between confidence and delusion that in and of itself.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And listen, one thing. Yeah, one thing they will do. Cowboys fans, they will fight for their team. They will fight for their owner. They will fight for the players that are on that team, which is why I get so much pushback. I don't mean to change the subject on George Pickens, understanding what the Cowboys need to compete and not being so heavy loaded on the front side on offense, but obviously he's of extreme value and knowing what you need defensively to help so you can compete, so you can get back to the winning ways of the old Cowboys. But you have no defense. And that's no disrespect to the players that are there right now. But it just. It is what it is. I mean, it is what it is. Even with the trades that you made last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know Getting Kenny Clark, getting Keon Mitchell. You still need more. You still need more. You. You need a centerpiece. You need impact players, for one. You got people loading up the front to be able to stop the run. You still need somebody on the edge, the in. On. On the back end. You still need somebody on the back end that can be an intricate part of your foundation. You know, in the secondary. You don't have that right now. I mean. I mean, it's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's. That's what we're supposed to do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're supposed to look at a game because you and I played an extremely high level. We're supposed to look. And what a player has already done and. And I've said this before when I talked about Tom Brady. I'm not trying to take any of those Super Bowls, any of those All Pros, any of those mvp, but today he didn't play well. Miles Garrett is the best defensive player in the NFL today. He didn't play well. Whether you say it's Chase or JSN or Puka Nakua, they're the best receivers in football. Today wasn't their day.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm just trying to figure out, what are we supposed to do, right? Are we supposed to cheerlead for y'? All? Are we supposed to trumpet y' all calls no matter what? So no matter how bad you play, Micah, I'm supposed to get on TV and say, you know what, Michael? Have a hell of a game, even though you did not. And we're talking about in the playoffs, because you mentioned it. Yeah, well, he didn't play well this game. You didn't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, what am I supposed to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The fans see it, right? The fans see it, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, listen, the players are going to have to understand. They're going to have to understand, obviously, this era. This era of players, because of social media, everything is magnified, especially when it comes from us. Those that are. Those that are doing the talking, having social media here as well, then it makes the voices for those that have platforms, it makes the voices and the things that they say that much louder. So it gets to the players, even if. Even if they want to hear it. But they. They have to understand that those that do jobs, like yourself, like myself, who's gotten better at being critical of players when they don't play well, is they have to be able to take constructive criticism. It's never saying that you look at it as hate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But it's never saying that you're a bad player. We know you're great. No, listen, the funny thing about it, the only ones that get talked about are the ones that are great because we hold them to a certain expectation on what they've already done in the past. And we don't play based on what we're used to seeing. It gets talked about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But it's nothing personal. It's just based on your performance, your performance that day in that game. That's all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we judge. We're judging you off because you set the bar. Had you not what you have, had you not done what you've done in your first four years, no other player other than Reggie White has had at least 12 sacks in a season for four consecutive years to start their career. You and Reggie, rest his soul, are the only ones to do that. So you set the bar pretty high. So come playoff times, this is where legends are made. This is how. If Tom Brady had had all these stats and not done what he done in the postseason, are we looking at him the same?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If Patrick Mahomes had not done what he done. Look at the guys that's done it. We judge them on the playoffs. That's how you make your name. That's how you become iconic. That's how you become legendary. Yes, Michael did what he did in the regular season, but it was the postseason. Kobe, it was the postseason. LeBron, Steph, the great, the great players. What do you do when it absolutely matters? Yeah, that's what you judged against Micah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I. I have a question too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

When it comes in general, because he's so great, because he has that star on it, star on his helmet, because everybody is watching him, being that he's the best player defensively, do you think as. As a player, they. They kind of get frustrated a little bit and say, why is the focal point only on me and I'm playing a team game? But then you focus on, well, I didn't do this when, hell, the other 10 didn't do anything as well. But that is what happens when you are as great as you are. You have to be the difference maker. Even if everybody else is not playing well, you got to be the one that pop out on film because you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That boy, how many of them, how much of that money he gonna split with his teammates? How much money he gonna split with that teammates that Green Bay gave him?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Boy, that's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a team game now, remember you said it's a team game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that's a good one. As an individual, that's a good one, right There, boy. That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The thing is, Ocho, is that in the. In the most important game come playoffs, I gave you eight. Four playoff games. He has one sack in four playoff games. Is that good? It's not.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's Michael Parsons. He's one of the premium defensive players in all of football. We're basing in the. Is. We're just looking at your resume. If you did this, Micah, had you not done what you've done, if you were a guy that just had your first six season, you had 25 sacks, I don't hold you in nearly. I don't know. I'm probably not even mentioning you, bro, but because you have 50 plus in four seasons, now we have to have a conversation. Why is it the Micah that we saw in the regular season, why isn't he showing up in the postseason? Right. That's it, bro. I ain't got no. I get y' all know me. But I got to be honest, though, Micah, and you're not the only one. Go back and look at some of the things I said about Peyton Manning. Go back and look at some of the things I said about Tom Brady. And guess what? Every time I see Peyton, guess what? Hey. Come up to the box. Every time I saw Tom. Had a great conversation with Tom, talked a little bit about football, but mainly we talked about what he's doing now. How can he get better? X, Y, and Z. My. I just think the thing is just we. We're just at an age now that if somebody. That's 255 for 200. So in four playoff games, he's playing basically five, six. He's basically playing 60 snaps.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A game. So 251 in the four. So that's basically. He's playing 60.2 snaps a game. That's damn to the whole game, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you know, they only 65. 65 to 70. Snap. So let's just say he's playing all. He's playing at least 95 of the snapshot. That's all we're saying. Michael, it's not that I dislike you. If it's not like I'm trying to play both sides. I'm trying to be as fair as I possibly can because I don't believe because you've had a bad playoff game that you are a bad player. My thing is, is that, man, based on what Michael Parsons has shown me in the regular season, what he shown me over the first four years of his career, I don't know what happened to him today. But this is not good enough for the Cowboys to win. And if they want to win, Micah's gonna have to play better in the bigger games. The bigger the game, the bigger the player plays. That's all.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And if you take, if you take it as that is personal or I dislike you, you're sadly mistaken. I don't know enough to dislike you. I have no opinion what you do and I don't what you do off the field. That is of no concern of mine. All I do is that when you punch that clock at be it 105 or 420.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, this is what we watching. This is what we do it. But I don't just. I don't dislike anybody. I try to be as fair as I possibly can. I mean, in my critique of analysts.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When I put my analyst hat on. Ojo.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And. But I, but I, but I appreciate, you know, me. I mean, look, like I said, I ain't here to defend nobody. Yeah. I mean, me, he talked to me. He brought me up in the conversation. And I'm trying to explain to him, if you had a problem with something I said, just come to me. You got my number.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I just saw you at the Super Bowl.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. And. But you also have to think too. Huh? You got to think about what he said. He does a good job because he played the game and explaining himself in a sense, and he sees it as somewhat being on being on the fence, but also when he doesn't play. Well, he's saying. But yeah, hey, I mean, he's saying you, you call it on both sides. You call them. But now if you, if I'm not sure if you. For better context and why he said f. You know, Skip, I'm not sure if you heard me. Yeah, I know it doesn't have anything to do with you, but that's why, that's why the anger was more so directed to him. It's more so directed him because it's more. It's more of it's explanation in, in being critical of him, but it seems a lot more personal, especially when it comes from someone that has never played the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I guess the thing is, because, you know, some of the things that Skip says, like he's happy that the guy got traded. He's not going to be missed. I don't care nothing about no trade. That ain't got nothing to do with me. Look, you played the Broncos. Hey, I love you when you're the Broncos. I wish you the best of luck if you go somewhere else. I don't get all of that. It ain't that serious to me, Ocho. It's never been that serious to me. It's never going to be that serious to me. But I just need. I need guys, not just Michael. Michael just happened to be everybody.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have a job to do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let's, let's. Let me ask you a question. If you don't do your job right, how long do you think you're going to be with particular said team? But I have a job to do. Right. And my job is to. To be as honest and as fair in my assessment of what I see. Based on my knowledge of the game and who you are as a player and what I see. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't add anything. I don't add no yeast or to grow, and I don't take anything out of it. Whatever the ingredients that you give me to make my argument for you, Ocho, that's what I use. Yeah, that's. So that's another. Oh, that's the thing. That's what we do. Ocho and I take the ingredients that you give us to make an argument. Whatever the ingredients is, that's what we use to make our argument.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But we're not gonna add anything. Now, if you say this thing come with two tablespoons, all you're getting is two tablespoons.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not getting. You, not you not getting any more. If you say four eggs whipped, you're getting four eggs. Yeah. If you said flour, that's what you get. You get vanilla extract, you get cinnamon. Whatever. Whatever the ingredients call for, that's all we got for you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, they'll be all right. They'll be all right. And the one that will listen. The one that will listen. The ones getting talked about is. Are the great ones. It's the great ones. It's the great ones that we talk about. And as much as they always want to play and be consistent, week in and week out, you're going to have games. When you play bad, you're going to. It's, it's. It's the nature of the game. It's life in general. The game of football has its ups and downs. Just like life insurance may all seem.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you want to perfect Your craft to the best of your ability. Unfortunately, you're not going to be able to do that all the time. Twin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, we got a very special guest joining us. Ranchon Cruz Dejern. The heavy hitting diva got a big fight on Sunday night against the undisputed unbeaten, Clarissa two time Olympic gold medal, Clarissa Shields. Looking at your rematch with Clarissa. Now you. This is your. This is a rematch. What's. Why are you so convinced, why should we be convinced that the outcome will be different this time than the previous time?

[Franchon Cruz]

Because the first time we fought, I had a two week notice straight off.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Pop it. Come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Franchon Cruz]

I mean I've always been. Trust me, go look at the fights from 2014 when we fought in the amateurs.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All this.

[Franchon Cruz]

She's gonna beat me up and do this. She know what time it is. So you'll just see. She doing a whole bunch of talking enough for the both of us. Sunday you guys will see why.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, since you bet you about that action. Listen, right now, if I'm not mistaken, wc. WBC Super Middleweight Championship.

[Franchon Cruz]

WBA Unified. Wcwba.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, right now, obviously for us, coming from a football background, what we do before we play a game, you watch film on your opponent to see what the opponent's tendencies are. What we have to watch out for things that we can expose. I don't want you to tell your game plan. But watching Clarissa Shields and watching film and studying her. Before you guys fight Sunday, are there any things that you may think you can take advantage of that you may have seen?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, of course.

[Franchon Cruz]

I mean, listen, everybody's negating the fact. You look at her last fight, she fought somebody who's a blown up super middleweight and she couldn't do nothing with him. She's talking, she gonna knock me out and do this. You couldn't even knock that person out. So you don't forget I'm a two time unified and the first ever undisputed super middleweight champion in history. You done went to heavyweight, you done went to welterweight, you did all this, but you ain't come back and see me, so. And you want me to come to heavyweight to get fat. So you think you're gonna take advantage, but it's all good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, come on. Come on, Freddie. Come on now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Really?

[Franchon Cruz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But look, Ocho, I know you talking about your football background, but you actually came in my camp when I fought for Undisputed using the gym and you sparred and got.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was, I was in there having, having a good old time, having a Good. Listen, sis, I ain't, I ain't left the, I ain't left the gym since. I ain't left the ring since. I've been trying to perfect my craft and get as great as I can. Being that I missed so much time because of football, because I want to get back in the ring and do an exhibition with Andre Ward.

[Franchon Cruz]

Oh, that would be amazing. I love that. And that's the type of mentality people tend to forget when you are great, you're an athlete, you're determined, that will take you further from boxing, football, whatever. And that's one of my attributes that will make me win on Sunday is that my mind is so made up, I like it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So I just want to ask you, fight is Sunday. Talk to me. How has camp been? Was camp good? Are, are you, are you injury free? You know, sometimes in the camp, you, you, you pick up no knickknacks.

[Franchon Cruz]

I've been ready to fight probably a week and a half ago. I don't like, I don't like long camps because I'm, I'm a street fighter who learned to box. So somebody hit me, I'm hitting them the f back. That's what type of time I'm on. But I had amazing camp. I had tragedies too. I lost, you know, a friend person who's going to work with me in the camp. But you know, my husband Glenn deserve, he's been pulling me through. My sparring partner. Shout out to level up Boxing gym. Shout out to Coach Mac. You know, we've been working, we've been working very hard.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's live. I'm excited. I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm excited.

[Franchon Cruz]

Let's. I just want to shout out. This is, this is what gets me through camp. Shout out to my sponsors. As you know, as an athlete, especially a woman in a male dominated sport is kind of hard. But that's what helped me get through because I sacrifice time, I sacrifice money, I sacrifice a lot. And that's why I'm going to win, because I put the work in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Sean, you look, there's not a whole lot of women that get remembered for fighting. You go Layla Lee, you go coal miner's daughter, Christy Martin. You get Ann Wolf, you get Clarissa. And obviously you want to be one of those, like when they talk about women's boxing 10 years, 15 years from now, when you done hung the gloves up, when you got the gloves up, you just sitting around, you want them to mention your Name, you know, you know what? Go ahead, go ahead, talk to me.

[Franchon Cruz]

Listen. I mean, when you say those names, then you get to Clarissa, you forget my name is right there. I'm very.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Come on now, talk your talk.

[Franchon Cruz]

I'm the one Clarissa looked up to when she stepped out. She looked up to see who was winning at that time, and that was me. And I'm still winning to this day. That's why I'm in the ring. That's why I went on the 22nd, because I'm the one putting the worst. If she didn't have a person like me stepping, she wouldn't be what she is. Very talented. I'll take nothing away from her. But boxing didn't start with her. And it's not going to end with let's go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what will taking down Clarissa, whether you win by decision or you win by knockout, what would a win do for you? What would it do for women's boxing?

[Franchon Cruz]

Listen, it keeps saying, I'm the heartbeat of this boxing thing. A lot of people, like, she's on Twitter saying, oh, you lost to this, that you ain't fight them. I'm the one that fought the big fighters. When you go to all the names in my weight class, from super middleweighting up or whatever, I'm the common denominator. I fought a steroid cheat. And let's be clear, this undisputed heavyweight, she's in protective custody. It's been built around her. She's been a golden girl. And that's fine because I've never been in a heavyweight fight where there's a weight loss. So let's be clear. Okay? But this type of win for me will be something I work for. It'll be a big thing when the fight changed my life, change the people around me. But it's just something for me. This is for me. I'm already a first ballot hall of famer. So, I mean, yeah, you're gonna go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

On Twitter, Are you gonna go on Twitter and glow? You gonna talk about did all that talking and now look, I got all the belts.

[Franchon Cruz]

Listen, listen. When I win, I might just walk out. I just might walk out the ring.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like, hey, no interview, no. No interview, no nothing.

[Franchon Cruz]

Y', all, y', all, I like it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like it. Listen.

[Franchon Cruz]

Yeah, go ahead. I'm just blessed for the opportunity. You work hard, you get in these positions, and I feel like I've already been here before. You know, that competition mindset. Y' all can relate to it. Everybody's like, you should be more mean. I'M I'm a mean that's why she don't talk crazy to me but I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just don't you you buy I'm a oh you you you you on that type of time living in a prayer.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, I, I, look, listen, I, I love, I love the fact that you had that competitive mindset and, and understanding. Being that my short sample size of knowledge of being in the ring and understanding what it takes to, to be a fighter. How long do you think you have left? As long as you've been fighting before you hang up the glove and say, you know what? I've done enough in this sport. I've cemented my legacy. I'm already a first ballot hall of famer. I've done enough. I can go on and drift into the sunset at peace.

[Franchon Cruz]

Well, you know what? I've been doing this for a very long time. I do have aspirations to be a mother. I've been married for 14 years, so that's one thing I would love to do. It is at a time where women are making a fair amount of money. I'm not making $8 million, you know what I'm saying? But there's opportunity because I know once I win, we'll have to rematch again. And my mentors, Bernard. But you know, I'm already international recording artist with a top 10 hit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Franchon Cruz]

I've showcased the New York Fashion Week a number of times. So I'm an established fashion designer. So I have a couple of different things I could do. But to answer your question, I don't know. I don't know. I ain't gonna be here forever though. I wanna have some kids.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. I like it. I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, let me. How did, how did you even get into the sport?

[Franchon Cruz]

I wanted to be a singer, a pop star.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. How you go from a pop star to a boxer?

[Franchon Cruz]

Hey, the heavy hitting diva. I was. Listen, I'm a fighter that learned how to box. So I was street fighting, equal opportunity girls. But I just, hey, they took me to the gym and I got active.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You, you, you come from. Do you come from a large. Do you come from how many brothers, Siblings? You have brothers, sisters?

[Franchon Cruz]

I have three brothers. So they used to rough me up. I don't have a large family, but they were tough on me, and I. That's what I'm saying. I'm a reformed crash out. Like all this bullying she trying to do. I'm just like you. Not really like that. Put me in a room with you. No cameras, no refuge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You coming up out of there. Hold on, hold on. You trying to say they just put y' all in the room with no cameras, and whoever come out, come out. You coming out?

[Franchon Cruz]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Franchon Cruz]

Absolutely. I put that on my damn mother. I'm coming from the old school. If you'll whoop her ass, we gonna whoop your ass and send you back out there. I ain't the 1, 2, or the 3. I'm just saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You were contested on American Idol. How was that?

[Franchon Cruz]

It was amazing. This was like when the show was kind of new. I watched it from the hospital bed. My mom. So that's one of my main inspirations since I started boxing. She fought to live. I fought to win. But America idol really showed me a lot of things. Like, it's not what it seems, But I did have an opportunity to step to Nigel, who I think he, like, owns all of the American idols. You got talent. And I told him. I was like, you know, you made me. And thank God. Simon told me I couldn't be great at everything because I said on that show if I wasn't an American idol, I'd be the middleweight champion of the world. Not only did I become the super middleweight.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Come on, now.

[Franchon Cruz]

I'm gonna be the undisputed heavyweight champion, and I might get skinny and go be a millionaire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Tokyo talk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, you try to consolidate all the belts. You try to have all the belts. You try to be like a store that sell belts. You're gonna have them all.

[Franchon Cruz]

No, I want to be like Clarissa Shields.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There you go. There you go. You see what you're doing now you. Now you know she gonna be listening to this. You know she gonna see this.

[Franchon Cruz]

It's good for her. She already blocked on Instagram. Now she on Twitter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you block on ig?

[Franchon Cruz]

She crazy. Her and her fake pages is crazy, but I don't know. She crazy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, when it comes to your endeavors, obviously wanting to be an artist of some sort, who are some inspirations that you. That you pull, that you draw from?

[Franchon Cruz]

Yeah, I'm a singer songwriter. I came up. We had to actually have talent. Brandy, of course. I love the work at, I think Destiny's child, Beyonce's like an athlete. And Matthew put them through. Rick Moreau. Who else do I love? Maya.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

She's a cool lady.

[Franchon Cruz]

I know her in real life. I love her. If you can see a lot of the artists. That's popping now. That was popping then. That's just like the type of caliber I am. Like, that's that longevity, that work ethic, that reinvention.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

MARY J. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Franchon Cruz]

I take different things from the artistry and also their work ethic.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's dope. That's live. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So this, this, this. This fight on Sunday. You win this fight, what do you do? What, what's. What's next? You take some time off or you say, you know what? I've done everything I need. Now it's time for me to start me a family. I got. I got the heavy. I'm the heavyweight champion. I'm the middleweight champion. So. So what? What's. What's next?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Let him know, hey, we talk about. They got a rematch. It's a rematch, Claude. We got to get in that thing and settle that thing.

[Franchon Cruz]

Yeah, I mean, look, I got that. My husband is a boxer, Glenda Zern Jr. I want to make history and be the first husband and wife to fight for belts on the court. And I'm still a unified champion. So I would love to become undisputed super middleweight champion again. Like I said, I'm here for a good time, not a long time. And it makes sense. Nobody taking the big fights but me. And at the end of the day, even with this promotion, they make it like she's fighting herself. They've been very disrespectful. Trust me, it's not a party until the queen come in town, because everything's just.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Come on now, talk now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, this thing, you know, hey, hey. Oh, this thing. Hey, you know, we gonna be watching this fight now. I just want you to know, Ocho and I gonna be watching this fight. We talking about what transpired, what popped off on Sunday. You know, this.

[Franchon Cruz]

Listen, I'm gonna tell you this. Let me tell you two things. Number one, I'm designing my own box attire. So when I look cute, that's made by me. Number two, I'm a fighter, I'm a winner. I do whatever I have to do to win. So if you expecting I'm a sharp fighter, you expect them to see me look like her.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

This is.

[Franchon Cruz]

This is chaos. Emotion. This is orchestrating chaos. I'm bringing all that, like, whatever it is, it's gonna like it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like oh, you know what, sis? I got a question, sis. What's. What's what's young bull name I was sparring with? How's he. How's he doing?

[Franchon Cruz]

He's good. I think he's fighting on the 21st, actually, so he's fighting the day before.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, okay, okay. I gotta check him out, man.

[Franchon Cruz]

And look, when you ready, I'm coming camping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you get so fresh. You get so pretty.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I, I, I get that.

[Franchon Cruz]

I spot with men. I spar with men. I don't get knocked out by them.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But okay, okay. I mean, I got you. I got you. You know, I. Take it easy. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this. The first name. How did you get that first name?

[Franchon Cruz]

My mom said she had it ever since she was a little girl, so she knew I was gonna be special. And then my husband, he's of Creole descent, so it's like fresh on cruises. Like, come on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like that. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because we go back and forth. That's not how they say it on the Zone. And then I was looking at where the. What the, the hyphen is over the O. I said, it's got. It's kind of in the same place that the bichon is. I say. So it's got to be Sean, right? Not no, Sean.

[Franchon Cruz]

Yeah, yeah. Listen, I've been called French franchise. They used to call me franchise. I said, I'll take it. I'll take it. You know, get.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Hey, I got one more question. The longevity. I understand that. The discipline it takes to. To. To be a boxer. The discipline it takes to. To. To engage in some of the other aspirations that you have. But one thing that a lot of people in life struggle with, including myself, I can't speak for, but you've been married for 14 years. Please give me the secret on longevity and how he's been able to keep you happy for such a long time. For such a long time. So I can take that formula and integrate it into my relationship.

[Franchon Cruz]

No, no, no. Well, he's a professional boxer as well, so, you know, Box was his first love, so I had to work to be in that area over time. Like, at the end of the day, we're best friends, and he's been there. He's never, he never tried to, like, just. We were platonic, so we know each other in a different capacity. It wasn't so sexual. And he was best friends with my mom, too, so we love each other in agape form. That's like my son, my father, my brother, my Husband. And at the end of the day, it's two individuals choosing to experience life together. I'm not trying to change him. He's not trying to change me. We rub off on each other. And if we do change, it's a. Because we love each other. Even when we fight, it's like, are you leaving or not?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what I'm saying?

[Franchon Cruz]

Like, if we got a problem, are you gonna fix it? Am I willing to fix it? And at the end of the day, I still choose. You like Pikachu.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like. I like that. I like that. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it's kind of like the old adage, why does movie stars marry other movie stars? Because the other know what it's like to live that life. Listen, you a boxer. He a boxer. You know exactly what it is to sacrifice. To go to training camp to be frustrated. Cause you can't see the person that you love. Y' all not being intimate like you normally are. It like. So I know the sacrifice that he's going through. He knows the sacrifices that I'm going through. But, boy, hey, once this camp is over, this is.

[Franchon Cruz]

This is what. This is what I like. I think growing up with all brothers, I'm not a catty female. I'm like, probably like your bro. Like, I can hang with the pros. So I'm not here. If he see a fat ass, I'm like, babe, you see that fat ass? I'm not gonna restrict him for doing nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's.

[Franchon Cruz]

It's maturity and responsibility. Make a mistake in whatever decision you choose to make. Make sure you can deal with the consequences and repercussions that come with it. I'm just saying. But he's a good guy. He's a great man. Like, a great man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's awesome. Well, we're looking forward to this fight on Saturday night for Sean Fresh. Sean Crew seen that fat ass on Sunday night. She said she wants that heavyweight title. It's gonna be a lot different than it was in 2014. She said she wanted this. She wanted this action at heavyweight. She ain't wanna come back down and take this ass whipping at middleweight or super middleweight. So I come see you on your turn.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like it.

[Franchon Cruz]

And maybe after. But you know what? I. Thank you guys.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me.

[Franchon Cruz]

Let me shout out my sponsors.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead and do what you do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Franchon Cruz]

And I'll see you soon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Appreciate it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Good luck. Good luck. Good luck. Thank you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She's talking cash money.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And listen, she's talking cash money. She's talking trash. But she's doing it in a very mild manner. She's doing in a very mild manner. She's a different animal, she's a different beast once she's in the ring. For those of you that are in the chat, that are watching, if you've never seen a fight, go check out some of her older fights from the past. So it's gonna be a good one. It's gonna be a real good one. Man, I'm excited.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She said, man, she funny man, you thought she wanted me to get fat.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because, you know, the bigger you get, you go up the heavyweight, you tire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Out faster and you slower. Yeah. You don't slower. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you said, okay. Are you, hey, you won't come down here. I'll come see. I'll come up there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Interesting fight and I can't wait for us to talk about this on On Sunday, Ocho Gardner's new head coach, Michael Floor, defended the decision to hire Nathaniel Hackett as a team offensive coordinator. Hackett has received heavy criticism at recent stops, the jets and the Broncos, the latter which is head coach in 2022. Hackett didn't even last one full season at the Broncos head coach and he was fired after just 15 games. Meanwhile, in the second season with the jets, he was relieved to play calling duties when Jeff Ubrik took over as interim head coach. Ocho yeah. For an offense that is struggle, is hiring Nathaniel Hackett the best lafleur can do?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Absolutely not. I mean, it was horrible. It was a horrible decision. I mean, based on hirings are based on who's the best candidate for the position, and it's based on what you've done in the past. What does your resume look like? What do your accolades look like at said position? There are two prime examples. For one, a season where you didn't make it, you only made it 15 weeks and obviously you, you were horrible at another place. So how is it that you're the best person for the job when there are so many other officer coordinators that are worthy and have the quality to be able to call those plays? So again, this is how the coaching world works. Your friends and those you know who come up under that umbrella and coaching tree that you know which, this is how they always keep each other employed. Come on over here with me. I have a job for you. Regardless of how you've done in the past.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what we need to do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's ridiculous.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what we need to do. Us.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They don't even put us in positions of power to be able to make those kind of calls.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When we get a head coaching job, do we do that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, we don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying. I'm saying when we are fortunate enough to get a head coaching job, I.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Have one more thing. I have one more thing to say. When we are. When we are in positions to be leader of men and are able to get head coaching jobs, I don't think we have the green light and the full power. We think we do simply because we're the head coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you believe. Tell me, all these years, Mike Tomlin' wasn't denied that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You just named one person.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about Marvin? We're talking about guys that had long. Marvin was there 15 plus years.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But you know why Marvin was there? Because Mike Brown is not firing nobody. Mike Brown's not firing nobody. That's not his.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Contract.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, you go, you gonna. Hey, listen, when it comes to Mike Brown, you're gonna make every dollar on your contract. You gonna. You're gonna play that thing all the way out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I understand that, but I just think for us, you already know how this business is. Those of you that are in the chat, that are listening, I don't. I don't know how many more examples you need to see to understand that if we do, they already don't want us in no position to begin with. And you think we're gonna allow you to be in that position, to be a head coach, and then, then give you full reign to hire who you want to? Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if you. Ocho, when Robert Salah got hired, got fired, where'd he go back to?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Woody knows best. Come on now, you can always have a job.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's with Kyle Shanahan. And then what happened, Ocho? He got a hand coaching job.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

See how that work? You see how they work, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see how they go back and look at some of these coaches and look at what happens when they lose their job at one place. They go right back where they started, and then before you know it, they got a new job.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Always have a job. It's a great thing. It's almost. It's almost like, you know how you, you do your ancestry tree with your DNA and you scroll back and it always leads back to, okay, this is where my family is from. Once you're part of that coaching cycle or that coaching tree, you. You're gonna always have a job. Yep, always. And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And if you don't have a job, somebody from, from that tree go back and look at, look at Sean McVeigh's tree. Look at Cap and look at, look at how it's interwoven. Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh and all those guys in the floors. Look how it's interwoven. Look how they take care of one another. My. My guy, Clint Kubiak. I. Like I said, I've known Clinton. Clint dad was my offensive coordinator in 90 and 91. He was my offensive coordinator from 90 to. From 95 until 99 and again, 02 and 03. Go look at his staff. Rick Denison, who was on his staff with his. With. I played with Rico. We call it Rico. Rick Dennison now he's the assistant advisor to the head coach, Joe decamillis.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When Joe. Joe D. Camilla used to be the strength and assistant strength and conditioning coach. Turned himself into a great special teams coach. That's a special teams coach. Mike McCoy was there with. With. Cool. You see?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Unbelievable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at, look at McVeigh staff. Look at their. When they get an opportunity and they can get guys that want other staffs and elevate them. Come on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I got you. I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I. I tell you what, I tell you what. In Arizona, I don't think anything gonna change.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think any.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Anything gonna change. Okay, what are we doing at the quarterback position? Exactly. What are we doing at the quarterback position? You had a problem when you were at Denver. You had a problem when you were.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In New York, but he ain't gonna be calling plays.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike LaFleur is gonna call plays. He didn't call plays in Green Bay when he's with. With his brother.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, well, he good then. He good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matt LaFleur. Matt LaFleur called a play. But, but, but they tell us, Ocho, they want somebody that called plays.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is Mike LaFleur? Look, and I don't have nothing against Mike LaFleur. I wish him the absolute best. But he didn't call plays with the Rams. Everybody knows that. Sean called those plays.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, well, yeah, he had the court. He had the clip. What do you call the thing in your hand? What do you call that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? The play sheet.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The script. The play sheet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He always had the place in his hand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. So he's not gonna. I mean, Nathaniel Hackett didn't call plays in Green Bay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So what is it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

LaFleur did.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I have a question. So what is Nathaniel Hackett job in Arizona?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got a job in Title Office coordinator. He ain't calling no plays.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ocho, you see how they do? You see how you see the game they play?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You say yes, man. Come on, man.

[Redfin Sponsor]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I don't want people to. I ain't got no problem with it, right. Because here's the thing, and this is how it normally works, is that you hire people that you're comfortable with that you know or you know someone intimately. Yeah. And so I don't know if Mike was on the staff with his brother. I think Mike has always been with Sean.

[Michael Parsons]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Matt, Mike's brother, vouch for it. So that's like you own a company. And I said, ocho, man, I got this dude, man. I'm telling you, he can help you do a lot. I'm vouching for now. I'm very, very hesitant to put my name behind somebody because that's my name. I come to you and tell you, ocho, this man a hard worker.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, you told me a hard worker, man. I can't get him to g. Aha. Damn. Yeah, he got out here making me look bad. But when you're familiar with somebody and.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what you're getting, you know what you're getting. Hey, I got a question too. Yes, Totally, totally off subject.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But context wise and perspective, it's almost the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And the way you just explained. And I'm. I'm hiring someone I'm familiar with and I know the job that they're going to do. Have you ever had somebody do work on your house?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I have.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Were they black or were they of. Of Latin descent?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, the handyman that normally comes over now, he's black. He'd be on time that did stuff on my house in Atlanta.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got referred. They.

[Franchon Cruz]

I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A good friend of mine that we had been friends with, they had done work on their house.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They were very pleased I got them to do work on my house. Yeah. Joe, my handyman in Atlanta, I like him because for the most part, we call him. If he can't get over that night, he's coming over first thing in the morning.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

In the morning? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what you got to have when you're dealing with a handyman, don't you?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you know, I. I think I could get there by the end of the week, bro. It's Monday. What do you mean, the end of the week?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

See? See what I mean? Okay. Said job is going to take two a week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now, depending on who you ask to do. Said Job.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That week could be three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They own the job on Wednesday. I got to take a phone call. You know what? I got to go pick up somebody. I got emergency. I gotta run. That's just small instances, depending on what? Depending. That's why you got to be careful on who you bring, who you bring in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

When it comes to, when you, when you're doing stuff serious, we can cost you your job. Now, that hire is very, that higher is very important. Even though he might not be calling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The place, what gets me upset, Ocho, if it's amazing. You ever notice, Ocho, like, when somebody's trying to get a job, as soon as you come. God damn, you must have knew I was calling. You picked the phone up. The phone didn't even ring on my end. Then when they get said job, all of a sudden, I, I, I gotta see when I can get over there. I say, now. See, when you was trying to get the job, it wasn't no seed. Let me see what I can get over there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, you on point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Your ass showed up on point. Now we done paid you in full. Hey, whoa.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a mistake. That's a rookie mistake.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no. The ball, the bulk of it, Ocho. Because I'm like, look, we what, we need materials and so forth, so. Okay, I get all.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I'm gonna need this. Now, when something go wrong. Well, I said, oh, there ain't no whale.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ain't no. Ain't no extra money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, how deep? That's the only whale I know. So. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So I, I, I. So I'm. This is how it goes with everything Shelly says you. Anybody that does anything at. At my residence, right. Either Atlanta or Vegas, they work directly with Shelly. Shelly, if you have to deal with Mr. Sharp, it's not going to go well. So the best thing is to deal with me.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, man. And you be getting on. You be getting on. You'll be getting on the Monk. If you got to deal with him, it's gonna be hell, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Yes. And you're not getting. And you're not getting the. Oh, yeah. How you doing? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. It was a great. No, you're not getting that guy. No, you're not getting water from Nantucket. You're absolutely not. You getting that mofo from down south.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I just need you to understand.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I've done what I said I was gonna do you said you need your money at this? Okay, you need money this time? Okay. Well, Mr. Sharp, every time we complete a stage, we're gonna need to get paid.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Boom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No problem. Yeah, I ain't got no problem with that. I. Nobody can ever say, well, he tried to shortchange me. If I agree to it, I'll never. I will never nod yes and mean no. So you tell me, okay, this is what the job. This is what the job is going to cost. Whatever the case may be, Mr. Sharp, we would like to get paid, and paid in stages, so forth. So got no problem.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here's the deposit. We take a deposit, and then every two weeks, we should have a phase completed until the project is done. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's so funny the way you explaining. That is exactly what they do in the grandma house. You know, grandma house, obviously, has been. This is 1940, 1949. So you got to think. It's been no work done on Grandma's house in 1949. Obviously. Passed in 2018. Passed down to my mama. Mama passed in 2021. So at one point, in the 80s and 90s, that house, it was so nice back then. During that time, we had a swimming pool. We had arcade machine on the porch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. At.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, my grandfather. I don't think this is a show to talk about that, but he was the big man in a sense. Grandma Completely, completely different. Had me blind you in church every Sunday. You were teaching the Dade county public school system for 41 years. Wait a minute. How you even got mixed up and married to that once I got old enough to understand who he was at that time. So I. Hey, I'm trying to figure out who. Why people always coming around taking pictures. This. I mean, old cameras, too. I'm talking Polaroid back then, you know, taking pictures, coming by to see the house, and it used to be a staple in Liberty City. Boy, we got to slide by and just see Chad. Grandma house. I didn't understand it back then. Now, as I got older, I get who he was now. I understood why people would do it. And now it looked like a sore thumb on the block. That's how bad it gotten because they no work since 1949. So you already know it's still your house. Yeah. Yeah. It still are. It's still. So what would you think I'm doing? No, I'm gonna tell you right now. It's work being done. It's nothing. The unk. Nothing is there except the shell of the house.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Everything gone, man. And seeing Some of my grandma's stuff, you know, being. Being moved out of there and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, every.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Everything gone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know, you'll be mad you doing that, but you got to get inside with attack. Time changes. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I remember when I got drafted. I remember when I got drafted. I say, grandma, boom. I done made it. All the work we put in, all the sacrifice and all the things that you've done to me, I can finally repay you back. We can move out of Liberty City. Boy slept in. Saying, boy, please, man, I'm not going nowhere. Well, I can do some renovations to the house, you know, we can add another story. Boy, you would not touch nothing on this house. I wanted exactly how it is and how we. How my. How my mama got it in 1940, whatever it may have been. I said, are you sure you want to move bigger house, nicer? No. I said, what about a new car? Because you riding that diesel bins and that loud crane. You want to get. Get rid of the diesel. Boom. I gotta. I got a BMW. She was cool outside of that little big body. Outside of that. She would move and said, do not touch her house. When I stayed with my grandma, I made it to the league. I stayed with my grandma in the city the first three, four years in the league because I refused to go get a place. She still had goddamn plastic over the goddamn couches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Even worse. You know how you walk through the hallway?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Remember back in the days? I don't know anybody in the chat. Depending on where you're from. Remember the bees that hang? Yeah, you gotta go through the bees. She still had the goddamn bees in the hallway in 2000, 2003, 2002. Like, Grandma, what we doing? Come on. But now I don't know how she feel up there and have it. Right now it's gonna look modern. Everything stainless steel and glass. And I. I don't know. I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe if the house that we had that we grew up in Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe that that house had running water and indoor plumbing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think my grandmother would have left either. I don't know. The only reason that gotta left, you know, she said she wanted to be able to go have indoor plumbing before she died. She wanted to go be able to go to the bathroom.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right, right, right. Instead of having to go to the outhouse. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But she tried to bring Ocho. My grandma tried to bring. She had peaches and pears and blackberries and tomatoes and stuff she had canned in the 70s. And 80s. Late 7, mid late 70s. She was trying to take it to the house in 88 peaches. I'm talking about stuff that's been canned and jarred for 10 and 15 years. Yes, sir. He still tried to bring. And. And if anybody that's my age or older, you know. Cast iron bed bears used to be made of iron. Oo, they weren't made of wood.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, they were heavy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They were made of lacquer. They were made of iron. Yeah. You know my grandma talking about. Boy, I sure miss my bed. That bad ain't coming, Granny. Yeah, that bad ain't coming.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Somebody might play good money to get a. Get iron. Some cast iron. Yes, that bad that's coming. But that's. That's how. That's how old people are, Ocho. It's hard to get them out of their ways because they had gone so comfortable. Yeah. All my grandma had ever known for 66 years is to go outside and she gonna get rained on. She understood that. She has accepted. You know what? That's what my great grandma added. Which was. Which was her grandma. Grandma Lou. Which was her mom. Yeah. That's what. That's all she had ever known. So she had resigned to the fact. Hey, hey, I get to go to church. I'll do what I need to do. She worked at the Glenview Nursing Home, the very home she spent the last two years of her life in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even though my sister got up there every day and fed her and made sure she did everything. That's where she was. Yeah. And then when she stopped working there, she'd go and clean people's house and bathe. Bathe people. Some of them not as old as she is, but. Couldn't get around my girl. But that's what she wanted.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. She goes fishing. Libby, run me out here. Libby run this it. Drop me off, you come back and get me. Let me stay out there about three or four hours. That's what she wanted to do. She wanted to be able to go fishing, have my sister drop her off. My uncle never would come sometimes and take a. Mama, let's go fishing. I ain't got no base. We already bought them, Mama. That's what you want to do. But there's no greater feeling, Ocho. Yeah, I know the feeling that you felt when you had made it. And now I can.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All the sacrifices you make. I would make more sacrificing, Granny. Ain't no more. Ain't no more.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I was ready, boy. She took them Glasses off. Move. Where, boy, get out of my face. I never again. I remember she promised, man, don't put me in no home. I want to be here, right in my room. I never forget, my mama had moved from la. She was down here at that point because grandma got a little dementia, you know, a little bit. She kept falling over herself. So my grandma was taking care of her, and she got in bedridden. You know, it's where my mama had to take care of and had to change her and having to go in that. Having to go and grandma room, and because she was in there so long, I mean, we, you know, put in the wheelchair, bring out all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, you know? I know. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The smell was still in there. In 2026, I can still smell the smell and the. I don't want to use the word stench, but it's like it was still there. It was still ingrained, maybe in the carpet. I don't know what it was. It's like I could barely. I couldn't even go in that room, you know? You know, at one point, and just to be able to come back to the house, the guy started working on the house. On the Monday, I told my little brother, I'm gonna get you somewhere to go. I'm gonna get your airbnb. I'm gonna pay it off for two, three months, so you, you know, good. You can go to and from work. I paid the guy to deposit on a Monday. I went by the house on a Wednesday. The house was a goddamn shell. Every couch, every cabinet, like it was nothing but just the beams. Yeah, he's the chimney. My grandma had the old chimney. The old chimney. Back in the days, the chimney was gone. Like, you could walk. I mean, I don't know how many people follow me on Twitter or follow me on Instagram. You could just walk through the house. I can stand in the. In the street and see all the way in the backyard. I'm like, how y' all move that fast?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, they get it up out of there. Unbelievable. I'm sure he'll be happy with that. You'll be happy with that. That.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, but them people, they. They love their home, man. I remember my sister called me and say, granny said she want to go to the house one more time, because at that time, she had never been back to the house. Yeah, I said, so when she want to go, I say. I said, okay. I said, so how you go about that? Well, I'll tell the people, because, you know, it's A service Medicaid. They'll come pick granny up, take away she want to be, and then she'll stay there X amount of time, and then they'll come back and pick up. I say, no more. I'll beat you there. Yeah, I gotta. Knowing how bad my grandmother got, you got to realize my grandma. My grandma ain't no small woman now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

May not put my girl, put my grandma because it steps. And at that point in time, we did not have it because when she got. She got sick. It just happened, just like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we didn't have time to build. Like, we could take a wheelchair accessible. Yeah, man, I To put my grandma in that. In there. Because I was much of a man back then, Ocho. What? No hip problem. I was much of a man. I was much of a man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Put my grandma in there, boy. You should see the look on her face, Ocho. She said, whoo, Libby, I ain't never think I see my house again. So she, you know, I'm taking her through the kitchen and, you know, I ease it down, you know, I roll it down and, you know, come see it. She in the back. Don't go down the hallway, take a left, Take out there. You say, son, help me. Help me get out this chair and let me get. Let me. Let me sit on my bed one.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Last time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, Ocho, to see the joy that she like in her place. Yeah, because I said, libby, do you want me to. To get the house? Have the. Just like, Just like her room is? She said, no, shannon, you spend 3, $400,000, you, granny ain't gonna make it too much longer. And then what? We got this stuff here. She said, no, Granny fine. Yeah, Granny fine. But just that Ocho, she stayed maybe an hour. May if she stayed an hour, she said, libby, I'm ready to go back now. I just wanted to see it one more time. Probably six, eight months.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I was like, I didn't know because, you know, she kept me. She. She kept. Oh, I sure wish I could see my house. She kept mentioning, I said, maybe you think she want to go? She's like, I, I, you know, she had a right mind. It wasn't like she. She knew every. She knew all her grandkids and so forth and so on. She knew all that. So I was like, well, she. Every time. Every time I talk to her, she's keep saying she wanted, you know, she want to go to the house one last time. I said, you think she want to go back to state or you just want to go visit? Because I was confused. Ocho, let me say I'm gonna ask and see. She said she just want to visit. I said, well, how you gonna go about that? She said, I just call the people and people, you know, just like, they'll take her, you know, they'll come get you from the place. Yeah. Take you to your doctor's appointment, X, Y and Z, wherever you mean to go. They'll wait and then you. They'll come back and get you. Yeah. I said, tell them people to come get tell. I'll meet them at the house. I. I'll meet them at the house and I'll take it from there. Man, ain't nothing like that, bro.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm some good daddy boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All this and people like, man, I said, all my hips, all my knees, my back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would do it ten times over to see that woman, the joy. If y' all could see the joy on that woman's face. All right, please do it all over again.

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