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Nightcap - Hour 1: Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and NFL Pro Bowler Matthew Judon join the show to break down the highs and lows of NFL free agency
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Tom Brokaw
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Lester Holt
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Tom Brokaw
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Sarah Spain
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Michael Kassin
I'm Lester Holt.
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Tom Brokaw
It's carried forward. Tom Yamas is there for us. Firefighters are still working around the clock.
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Chad Ochocinco
As the world changes, we look for what endures. We are coming on the air with.
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Tom Brokaw
Breaking news right now.
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Chad Ochocinco
We look for a constant and from.
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Tom Brokaw
One era to the next, Trust is.
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Chad Ochocinco
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Tom Brokaw
I'm Tom Yamas. A new chapter begins NBC Nightly News with Tom Yamas.
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Chad Ochocinco
Evenings on NBC.
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Michael Kassin
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Matthew Judon
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Michael Kassin
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Tom Yamas
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Lester Holt
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Tom Brokaw
Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know me, I'm your favorite unc. Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bingo's ring of fame honoree, the Pro Bowler All Pro. That's Chad Oo Cinco Johnson. And we have a very special guest joining us tonight from Grand Valley State, four time Pro Bowl, Pro Bowler, Baltimore Raven, New England Patriots, Atlanta Falcons. He's currently a free agent. Matthew Judon. Matt, thank you for joining us. Bro, we'll get to you in just a second.
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Lester Holt
Yes sir.
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Lester Holt
Well, sure, if I came to Cincinnati, man, what they gonna do? They gotta, they gotta get a trey, right? Don't they? Yeah. Yeah. So. But right now I'm. I'm chilling. You know how to, you know how to lead. Go. Not for long. You know, I had fun and so right now I'm just chilling. So if I, if I get a call, I'm working out, I'm doing everything I need to do to be in shape and ready for a camp or a call any day. But, you know, it. A lot, a lot of stuff not up to me, so I'm doing what I can do.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, no. I'm gonna say, listen, I didn't Watch you over the years. I know what you could do. The product on itself, your resume speaks for itself. You're gonna get that call most of the time when you, when you're at this point in your career and you're waiting, do you have a preferred destination or would you, would you, would you just want to play football or do you, would you rather go to a.
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Lester Holt
Contender after last year? I just want to play football, you know, I just wanna, wanna just get back out there and be able to be me, do me and so, you know, keep, keep going forward, rushing the passer, things like that. But, uh, you know, everybody always. I prefer destination. When you kind of get, uh, at this stage in your life, you know, you want to win games, you don't want to just go out there, uh, to compete. Uh, you know, I'm not really building a resume no more. I'm trying to win the championship. I want to, I want to compete at the highest level.
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Tom Brokaw
You think about it, Matthew, like you said, you're waiting for that call, but what is that? How long are you willing to wait? Are you willing to go a couple of games a week, a month into the season before you receive that call? Somebody get injured? Obviously if somebody gets dinged or nicked in training camp, that call might come sooner than later. But how long are you willing to wait for that call?
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Lester Holt
You know, you, you, you just wait. You know, I, I'm not retired. I don't feel like I'm retired anytime soon. So right now I'm just waiting. So if it's, if it's, you know, week 15, week 16 of the season, you know, I'll be ready. I'm always going to work out, you know, I'm always going, I find me something to do different every year. So right now I'm big into Pilates and then I got a road bike that I'll be riding. So I'm never going to be not in shape. But you know how it is with football. You know, you got football shape and.
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Tom Brokaw
Being the shape of something entirely different.
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Lester Holt
You got to get your body conditioned and taking hits, getting back up the bruising. So, you know, I won't never get that condition. You only can get it in football. So I mean when, whenever they call, I'm be ready whenever.
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Chad Ochocinco
You know, one of the things that I always like and I always find interesting is asking players that are not towards the end of their career, but, but obviously in situations like this where you're actually waiting on the call to come and do you have any other Passions or hobbies that you're really enthusiastic about that. If. I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if that call doesn't come, you know what, Finally I can go into that second stage of life and focus on whatever said hobby or dream it is. Viewers outside.
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Lester Holt
Oh, you know, I really. Like I said, I. I really stay working out kind of mostly through my whole career. And. And I never wanted to be gone for too long because I'd be like. I'm always thinking, like, I gotta be ready, in shape. But if I don't. If I don't get that call and, you know, it ain't. It ain't for me. It's not renting the cars. I'm gonna travel. I'm getting up out the. I'm getting up out the U. S. I'm going to. I'm going to see some different things. This. Earlier this summer, I went to South Africa. Man, it was nice. It was beautiful. And, you know, I'm. I'm into nature and heights. So we hiked. Uh, me and one of my best friends from high school, we hike Tabletop Mountain. And so, you know, I'm gonna start doing that. I'm gonna start doing that. Yeah. And then.
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Tom Brokaw
Did you go on a safari? Did you go to the Virunga Mountains? I mean, did you do anything? Like, see anything. See the Big five?
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Lester Holt
So. So I gotta. I got a video.
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Joe Burrow
All right.
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Lester Holt
Okay. And the. The safari man was kind of. He was playing, but I got a video and he talking about the elephants as they walking. Because we was on a little reserve where they keep the elephants enclosed, but they free is huge. And the elephant walking right towards me. I'm talking about if this man don't move the vehicle, I'm about to get stepped on. And so we just. We just right there. And he not the vehicle off. He not moving the vehicle. And at the last minute, like, he turned it on and moved. But I got a bit. I got a video. Like, I had to get up out of there. Like, I'm running from an elephant. I'm about to get stepped on. But, you know, just. Just seeing. Just seeing that type of stuff. And it's up close in person. Yeah, man. Like the world beautiful. Is it the nature, all that stuff. And so I. I like to do that more. And then y' all got four kids, so just traveling with them.
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Tom Brokaw
Yeah. To see. To see those animals in their natural habitat, not in an enclosure like at the zoo, but to see them in their natural habitat and to see how they interact with the other Animals, obviously, it's a prey. It's a. It's a prey and predator environment today. So it's all about survival. That's all it's about on the Serengeti.
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Lester Holt
Yeah.
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Tom Brokaw
Let me ask you this, Matt. You have a very. Look, you started out with the Ravens, then you go to the Patriots, and then you go to Atlanta. If you don't mind, share. Because you. I mean, not a whole lot of people get an opportunity to play for the Raven, you know, play for Ravens and the Patriots. And we know how, you know, a lot of times it came down to. In the playoffs, they kicked the Patriots out of the playoff, Patriots kick the Ravens out of the playoff, and they end up in Atlanta. Can you give a little insight to the differences in the culture and what's going on, like, say, from Baltimore to New England and then Atlanta when you had Raheem?
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Lester Holt
Yeah. Oh, man. I mean, I think. I think I was blessed to play with, like, three different great coaches, and they all different in their own ways. And I think the more laxed and down earth coach was rock. And, you know, I felt like I was able to talk to him and connect with him on a different level because I'm. I'm a veteran in this and kind of just how. How we talk and how we talk as men, and so that was. That was different. But going to the Patriots locker room and playing alongside Devin and Hightower and, you know, Calvin and Jamie Collins and. And just people like that, you know, I. I didn't get the time, so I was in the post Tom Brady era.
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Tom Brokaw
Right.
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Lester Holt
But you see how those. Those kind of players that played with him or played in that regime, how they work ethic was different than so many other people. And not saying that I ain't play with, like, good players at Baltimore, but just those type of players, I learned a lot, a lot from them. And then I also learned a lot from, like, Matt Slater. I don't know if y' all ever, man, if he was there.
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Chad Ochocinco
Slate was there when I was there, man.
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Lester Holt
Slay Slave, Slayton been there. He. He a cornerstone of that franchise. And people like that and how. How they prepare, how they work and how they keep their bodies right. They. They there from almost before the sunrise until the sun is set. And then. And then when you see them with their families. And so it was just amazing to see something like that. And. And I know that the younger players that came through there, they learned so much from Bill, but they learned so much more from the culture of the locker room and how the locker room was ran and how. And how, like, the. Bill didn't have to keep the ship tight because everybody else in front of you was. And. But then. And then playing with. Under Bill Belichick, it's like, you know, he. He kept. He kept young. He kept young coaches around him because he know. I think he knew that he wasn't never going to connect with the players like the younger coaches, but. But him just as, like, getting in front of the meeting and just kind of his mannerisms and, you know, his kind of jokes and. And how he was and his knowledge of. I mean, I mean, I think. I think he know everything about everything. Like, you. You ask. You ask him about. I mean, he might know. He. He know a little more about the game than we do. Like, the girls than we do. He pulling. He pulling whatever he wants. So. So. So Bill, like. Like, he. He know everything about everything, and he. And on Monday, he gonna tell you how the game go. He. How the. How the game gonna go for Sunday, and then he gonna. He gonna script it out all week, and then. And then, you know, after, win, lose or draw, he gonna have the same mentality. So I really respected that from him. And then the Ravens, like, I was a baby. I was. You know, I got. I got trained. I got trained by Terrell Suds, you know, you know, I. I got to. I got to play with Steve Smith, Mike Wallace, Crabtree, you know, some guys that, you know, I. I just watched growing up, watch getting into the game. I got to. I got to play with Darius Webb. And then I still. I still got friends, like. Like true, genuine friends. We talk every day from. From that team. And so. So it. It was just different. It was just different. It's different at different stages of my career. You know, at one point in time, you know, I never made plays in the NFL. Then one point, then at his next. The next stage, you know, you know, they like, I have to make plays. I'm getting paid. I got paid to make plays. And then. Then I went through a trade and period, I got traded. You know, they traded me on my birthday, too. Like, kind of crazy, but. Yeah, so. But got traded and then coming into a locker room, trying to. Trying to see, like, how you fit in where they see you, as in the last year of my contract. So you, like, you're like, is y' all gonna keep me around, pay me? But, you know, it was just different parts of the locker room. And then I. I think I got to play, like, with one of the greatest quarterbacks that's ever gonna. I'm gonna play Lamar. Like, I never. I never say nothing bad about eight. Like. Like, anytime I speak about him, it's gonna be highly. And I think he know that, but when it. When it comes down to it, I think he gonna be one of the best to ever do it.
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Tom Brokaw
Are you.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh.
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Tom Brokaw
Do you wish the situation had played out differently, the way the situation ended in New England? Do you. Do you look back and said you could have done something differently, handled it differently? They could have handled it differently? What would you. If you could go back now, knowing what you know now, what would you like to re. What would you like to redo? What would the redo be? What would the duo be?
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Lester Holt
I. You know, I know I ain't really no big redo person, but I do play stuff back in my mind, though. Like, you know, like. Like, do I. Do I have to say this? Like, it was. Was it necessary? But I feel like in a moment, man, we human. Like, if somebody. If somebody not treating you like that, like, it ain't never gonna go. It ain't never gonna go over well with me. Like, I gotta say something. I gotta say something. So that's just me. But I would have made sure I never left New England. I would have made sure I never left Boston. The connections in Boston, like, I don't think it's. I don't think there's no other place. Like, you know, from the. The Bruins to the Celtic to the red side, Like. Like. Like I know players from each team, you know, and. And we cordial. It's not like no big ups or nothing. And. And. And we cordial. And just from the people down on Newberry street to the restaurants, like, when you. When you down there and you're. You in it, like.
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Tom Brokaw
You.
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Lester Holt
You. You the musician, you the. You the. You know, the.
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Tom Brokaw
The.
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Lester Holt
The. The man. The. The man in high school, like that. Like, that's how I feel. Like, when you in Boston, you playing well and you're a part of New England. Like, when you're a part of that, like, it's not nowhere you can't go that you want. You would feel like, oh, I ain't supposed to be here. Everything welcome, everything open. So I would have made sure I never let the building.
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Matthew Judon
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Chad Ochocinco
Foreign.
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Tom Brokaw
Let'S get into this NFL News guys. The Steelers have found their starting quarterback Aaron Rodgers put pen to paper on a one year deal. He signed a one year $13.65 million passing the physical at the team facility on Saturday, sources told Adam Schefter. The deals include 10 million guaranteed and with incentives can reach 19.5 million. Ocho, let's go to you. What what do you think? What do you what are your expectations from Aaron Rodgers and what will he give the Steelers?
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Chad Ochocinco
Hey listen, he what he gives the Steelers. He gives the Steelers hope. He gives the Steelers organization. He gives the Steelers fans. He gives them hope. You look at the AFC north, it's dominated by Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, and I'm not sure what the Cleveland situation is going to look like. But Flacco obviously has has inside track to start. Yeah, inside track because he's been the AFC north before being in Baltimore and having success in Cleveland when he, when he came in the star for deshaun Watson when he got hurt. So Aaron Rodgers is better than everything that the Steelers have outside of him at the quarterback position. And that's no disrespect to them. That's no disrespect to Mason Rudolph and whoever else they have there they have at the helm. But Aaron Rodgers, if he can show glimpses, just glimpses he was once in the past, I think they would be okay. They have enough pizzas around him obviously. DK Metcalf, I'm not sure who the who the who the running back is.
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Tom Brokaw
They got Austin.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. Austin iii. Austin iii.
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Tom Brokaw
And, and they got Robert Woods.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh and Robert woods is there. He has, he has a nice supporting cast around him and you need the supporting cast to be on point to make his job easier because Aaron Rodgers is not in a position again to elevate those around him. He gonna need the help from those he's surrounded by.
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Tom Brokaw
What do you think, Judon? What you think about this deal? You like, you like it?
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Lester Holt
Oh, well, I think, I think the Steelers are like, they, they're. They get hurt from the greatness of Mike Thomas. Mike Thomas always gonna have them in contention, so they can't go and farm a quarterback from the draft. So I think this, they, I think this, they best pick like there's nobody else out there. Listen, there's nobody else unless you want to make a trade. But nobody really traded no good quarterback like that. And so if Aaron Rodgers can come in and complete passes and be good in the locker room and do enough, they gonna be in the playoffs again. Because just how Mike Thomas had that physical defense, they always gonna have a great pass rush with, with Cam and TJ like. So it's going to be hard for them to be bad. They just can't mess it up on offense.
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Tom Brokaw
The team announced that Rogers will wear the number eight. He wore the same number in New York after wearing 12. In Green Bay, Terry Bradshaw wore number 12. And though it's not officially retired, the team doesn't typically give out that number. I think Joe Green, 75. I think Ernie Stoutner, 70. I think, though, I think it's like three numbers that are officially, officially retired, but I don't think they've, they've given out like 32, whatever the number is. Another number that I don't think they've given out. 58, 47, like Lamb, Mel Blunt. But there are certain, you know, obviously from that Steel Curtain era in which they won four super bowl in six years, some of those guys have numbers. And even though they're not officially retired, no one I don't think is worn those numbers since. But I know, I think Joe Green. Yep. Franco Harris. Okay. Ernie Stoutner, D tackle, his numbers, retire 70, Joe Green, 75. Franco Harris, 32. Numbers not officially retired, but not reissued. Terry Bradshaw's 12, Troy Palomalu, 43, Jack Lambert's 58, Jack Ham, 59, Dermani Dawson, 63. And number 86, Heinz Ward. Well, 86 retired is not retired, but they haven't reissued it.
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Chad Ochocinco
You know, you know, also, you know, Aaron wore eight at, at New York, but, you know, he was eight at Cal too. Yeah, yeah, Cal, he was eight. So hopefully he can get some of that, some of that, that, that Cal Berkeley magic back in the system. Right, though, to help those Steelers out. Because listen, if, if, if.
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Tom Brokaw
That's a very tough division at the top. Yeah, you got the Ravens in Cincinnati.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah. If he doesn't play well. If he doesn't play well. You know, players get coaches fired now.
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Tom Brokaw
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
And could be on the hot seat for making. Obviously, he had. He had him wait. He had the whole organization waiting. He's coming. And obviously he signed because they got minicamp coming up very soon, mandatory minicamp. And he wants to be a part of that, which is also a good thing. That's a good sign. That lets. That lets me know that he's buying in as opposed to what he did last season out there in New York. So that's a good thing. But I think if they have a bad season.
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Lester Holt
You think. You think Mike Tomlin on high seat.
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Tom Brokaw
Excuse me. He just signed. Didn't he just sign the extension?
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Lester Holt
That don't matter.
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Chad Ochocinco
What that mean?
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Lester Holt
They pay that out every year.
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Chad Ochocinco
Oh, listen, they were. They was already talking about it last year, bro.
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Tom Brokaw
The Steelers haven't fired a coach since 69. I was born in 68. I'm about to be 57. So. They haven't fired a coach in 56 years. And you just said Judah, the man hadn't had a losing season.
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Lester Holt
He. He never gonna have a losing season.
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Chad Ochocinco
He.
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Lester Holt
He trained them so well. They play so hard for Mike Thomas. Never gonna have a losing season.
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Chad Ochocinco
That. That's enough. That's enough. Just having. Just having. Just.
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Tom Brokaw
Just. You know, I don't think it's enough because he the one that said the standard is the standard. Well, if the standard is getting to. And competing for Super Bowl. They hadn't competed for a Super bowl in a long time. They had. Nobody thought even though they make the playoffs. Otis, man, the Steelers are a threat. When was the last time that someone thought the Steelers would be a threat in the playoffs?
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Chad Ochocinco
But when they had Palomalu, when they had Ike Taylor, man.
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Tom Brokaw
T. Paloma retired. He in the hall of Fame, so he had to wait at least five years to get into the Hall. So we're talking about at least at. At the bare minimum, five you had.
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Chad Ochocinco
You asked when. That's, that's. That's when. When they had. When their identity was their defense.
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Tom Brokaw
They hadn't been a serious threat since then.
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Lester Holt
But. But, but do you mean that mean change? Did that mean change? We ain't. We ain't been a serious debt or. Or we have been so consistent that we just haven't got the right person. They haven't. They haven't had a quarterback that's theirs since being.
- [28:04]
Tom Brokaw
Whose fault is that?
- [28:06]
Chad Ochocinco
Theirs.
- [28:07]
Tom Brokaw
They had an opportunity they could have when they had been Roethlisberger and they thought Brand was going to pay play like Tom Brady, you know he wasn't because he'd been involved in too many crashes. He's taking too much punishment. So what you do? Is that what good teams do? What. What did Kansas City do? Draft a quarterback. And they still had one on the roster. What did Baltimore do when they had Joe Flacco? You were there. They drafted a quarterback. You see what good team. What did Green Bay do? Draft the quarterback. What did Green Bay do with Aaron Rodgers? Draft the quarterback. You see what everybody does. You don't wait. If you wait till your car break down side the road is too late, you're already stranded.
- [28:43]
Lester Holt
Okay. All right. But is that Mike fault? Yeah.
- [28:47]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [28:48]
Lester Holt
He making a. Mike got no say.
- [28:51]
Tom Brokaw
You don't think Mike got no say.
- [28:54]
Lester Holt
If he say, get us a quarterback. Get us a quarterback. Please get us a quarterback. And they don't get us a quarterback? How y' all gonna get mad at me?
- [29:01]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, you know, you give Mike all that.
- [29:03]
Tom Brokaw
You give all that Mike credit, so he never gonna have. He never gonna have him in a losing situation. So who drafting those players, the dream or Mike Tomlin?
- [29:09]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I mean.
- [29:11]
Lester Holt
I mean, I. We don't know what go on in a war room, but you can't. You can't just say, well, it's my Thomas. Mike Thompson will want a quarterback.
- [29:20]
Tom Brokaw
Matthew, you mean to tell me a man that's been there damn near 20 years, he ain't got no say how.
- [29:27]
Lester Holt
Long the GM been there?
- [29:29]
Tom Brokaw
Not before. Not as long as Mike Tomlin.
- [29:31]
Lester Holt
Have they. I ain't never heard of Steelers find no GM or getting a new gm.
- [29:36]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, also heard about.
- [29:38]
Tom Brokaw
I tell you what. You ever heard of them firing a coach?
- [29:42]
Chad Ochocinco
No.
- [29:43]
Tom Brokaw
Exactly. So my thing is, when you there that long, you have some say, you have some sale free the 53, you have some say in free agency and you that at night. How long Mike Tomlin been there? Coach Kyle retired in 2000. They won the Super bowl in five, he came back in six, so he retired in seven. He been there 19 years. Yeah, you not. There's no coach that's been anywhere for 19 years that does not have say. I refuse to believe that.
- [30:11]
Lester Holt
I don't know who.
- [30:12]
Chad Ochocinco
Hold on, hold on. I don't even think it's about say. I'm thinking about the relationship that Ben Roethlisberger might have had with upper management with those.
- [30:22]
Tom Brokaw
He had a great relationship with Mike Tomlin, too.
- [30:25]
Chad Ochocinco
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because if Mike Thomlin, Mike Thomas, a head coach, he's been in a very long time.
- [30:32]
Tom Brokaw
Yes.
- [30:33]
Chad Ochocinco
Knows at some point I'm going to have to find your successor. At some point, you look at you, you look at the landscape of the league, those that didn't do it, look what's happening now.
- [30:43]
Tom Brokaw
Ta da. The Steelers didn't do it.
- [30:46]
Chad Ochocinco
That's why, that's why I think that the calling was above Mike Tomlinson's pay grade.
- [30:51]
Tom Brokaw
I disagree.
- [30:52]
Lester Holt
I'm, I, I, I mean, your starting quarterback, your franchise quarterback is getting paid more than the coach.
- [31:01]
Tom Brokaw
Yes.
- [31:01]
Lester Holt
I guarantee dumb, dumb relationships might be a little stronger than. Even though the coach been there longer, he more tenured, I think. Well, I mean, we paying this dude only 17 million a year. We paying this dude 50.
- [31:16]
Tom Brokaw
We understand that Mike Tomlin had a very strong relationship. He all, he's always had a very strong relationship with his star players. We know that based on the history. We know that Ben and When AB was there and a lot of these other guys, we know how he feels about his great players. But in order to keep this from happening to you, if you do not get a bridge, if you wait till somebody burn your bridge down, how the hell do you get to the other side? I gave you examples, Kansas City. Alex Smith was a Pro bowl quarterback. What did they do? Matt?
- [31:54]
Lester Holt
But when you, but when you see that, when you see that, they went and got, Where's Buddy from Pitt. They went and got Kenny Picket.
- [32:04]
Chad Ochocinco
Kenny Pickett, man, stop playing.
- [32:08]
Tom Brokaw
They got fans picketing out front. No, no, we won't go.
- [32:14]
Lester Holt
But we gotta, we gotta put that on somebody. We got, we gotta put that on somebody. When, when somebody don't turn out in the draft, how you think they are not saying he's a bad player. They didn't like him for the system and they didn't like what he was doing, so they had to move on. Do you put that on the coach or do you put that on the person that selects and pays the players?
- [32:35]
Tom Brokaw
I think the thing is, is that I believe there, there are drafts that they had better quarterback options. And that's the thing. You could sit back and say, you know what, next year this quarterback is good, but you have to move. What did the Green Bay do? Jordan. What did they do with Jordan Love? How much was they paying Aaron Rodgers? And they re. And after they signed him, they gave him a big deal.
- [32:56]
Lester Holt
Yeah, yeah.
- [32:58]
Chad Ochocinco
Hold on. Why they gave him a big deal? He was pissed off.
- [33:02]
Tom Brokaw
Absolutely. And just like Brett Favre was pissed off when they did what drafted Aaron Rodgers.
- [33:07]
Lester Holt
But I mean, yeah, Aaron Rodgers seen the situation play out. He said he already. He already knew what was in the cards. So he said, all right, y' all not gonna play me how y' all play Brett and just move on.
- [33:19]
Tom Brokaw
I can't worry about one year. I got to worry about the next 10, 15 years. So if you just worry about one year and one guy's feelings, you'll be stuck.
- [33:28]
Lester Holt
All right. All right. In those, in those 19 years. In those 19 years, I mean, what it. I think the only. The only player that would have failed that far to him, which is a bad pick, was Lamar.
- [33:43]
Tom Brokaw
No, it's not that. You fought. You move up Patrick Mahomes. They moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. They moved. They moved up to get Jordan Love. You don't have to stamp. See you looking at a philosopher. Let somebody fall into my lap. No, if there's somebody you move up to, go get them.
- [33:59]
Chad Ochocinco
And that's where what I said comes into play. Unk not pissing off your franchise quarterback. I think the relationship with Ben Roethlisberger and management and GM and president was much stronger than that of whatever Mike Tomlin might have wanted. You think Mike Thomas didn't want a quarterback when he realized, Ben, okay, you're not moving the same. Oh, Ben, you can't throw the same. Or the velocity on the ball is not the same. Mike Thomas can see that stuff.
- [34:25]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah.
- [34:25]
Chad Ochocinco
Didn't have the say so regardless of being the coach for 19 years to go and get who we wanted.
- [34:30]
Tom Brokaw
But here's the thing. You still got. You maintain that great relationship. Now, how you looking as far? Because the Steelers. What's the standard for the Steelers? When we think of Steelers, we think of what? Ocho? Championship.
- [34:42]
Chad Ochocinco
Championship.
- [34:42]
Lester Holt
No, the cec. No. You think of defense, so you think of. You think of steel. You. Mike Thomas, that's his defense.
- [34:51]
Tom Brokaw
They abandoned that. They abandoned that when they got. When they got Ben Roethlisberger and they had Antonio Brown and they had Le'Veon Bale. They've been abandoned the defense. When they had the triple B's, they were throwing the ball. Ben Roethlisberger got two 5,000 yard seasons. He's got four or 500 yard games. They've been abandoned that. They're back to that now.
- [35:11]
Lester Holt
They just had. They had. They had an explosive offense for five, six years. They had like. They had explosive offense. They always had a good wide receiver. They always had a good wide receiver. Somebody that could go get the ball. Take the top off. They always gonna have that defense. When you think Steelers, you think hard hitting defense. You know, you know when you hear that, hey, mama rocking. You hear that? Don't.
- [35:37]
Joe Burrow
Don't.
- [35:38]
Lester Holt
You know that defense about to do something. You know that, you know that deep now, you know it's going to be cold, rainy, wet when you go in there. The grass, grass ain't worth nothing but defense going to have to come to play. And so if you're going to beat the Steelers, you have to keep the ball. You have to know how to run the ball, and you have to eliminate explosive plays from their offense. That's all you gotta. That's how you beat the Steelers.
- [36:06]
Tom Brokaw
But when's the last time they've had explosive plays from the offense? Ben Roethlisberger's been gone. AB's been gone. Le'Veon Bell been gone. So when have you known the Steelers to have explosive plays?
- [36:15]
Lester Holt
And that's why. That's why George Pickens left the building. George. George Pickens want to be. He wanna. He wanna dance. He wanna. He want to be in the end zone. He wanna. He want to do that. That's why George Pickens left the building. He said, I have. I need. I need to the limelight. I want. I want to see. I want to see how that feel. He want to be Jamar Chase. He wanted. He seen. He seen what that looked like in the division. And he said, I can't get that here right.
- [36:46]
Tom Brokaw
Matthew, thanks for joining us tonight, man. Best of luck in free agency. Come back when you. When you get something penciled in. Come back and join us and let us know where you're going.
- [36:55]
Lester Holt
All right? I got y' all. Appreciate it.
- [36:56]
Tom Brokaw
Appreciate it, bro.
- [36:58]
Lester Holt
All right.
- [36:58]
Tom Brokaw
My boy Ocho.
- [37:02]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, hey.
- [37:04]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah.
- [37:04]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, before you start, like, like real quick, real quick, I just want to say something to you. I'm gonna say it in code a little bit. You understand what I'm saying? Even even though it's Mike. Even though it's Mike. I don't think he has the pool. Even though he's the head coach to override pissing off the franchise quarterback. Stay with me.
- [37:22]
Tom Brokaw
He got. He. I get you what you're saying, but he got more pull than you think.
- [37:26]
Chad Ochocinco
No, yeah, absolutely. Because he's been there so long, but with that, with that centerpiece, that been there that long, the relationship.
- [37:32]
Tom Brokaw
I'm not saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying he's got. Had Bill Belichick pull. No, I'm not saying he got Andy Reid type pool. He might have. He might be next in line with when it come to pool.
- [37:43]
Chad Ochocinco
Right, right, right, right. I got you. I got you.
- [37:45]
Tom Brokaw
We're on the same page because think about it. They went out, they got Joe Flacco, who led them to a Super Bowl.
- [37:51]
Chad Ochocinco
Yes.
- [37:51]
Tom Brokaw
What they gonna do? They trade back into the first round, give up next year's first round pick to get Lamar.
- [37:57]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, you know, you can see it, right? You know when your player is declining.
- [38:02]
Tom Brokaw
Yes.
- [38:02]
Chad Ochocinco
Things are the same, especially at the quarterback position. You can see it. The funny thing about it is how much do players or how much are they self aware that they're declining? It starts slipping.
- [38:17]
Tom Brokaw
It's hard because, Ocho, you don't want to believe it because you've been great for so long, you don't want to believe it.
- [38:22]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [38:23]
Tom Brokaw
And so you, you lied to Ocho.
- [38:25]
Chad Ochocinco
Lie to yourself.
- [38:26]
Tom Brokaw
You lie to yourself. You lie to yourself.
- [38:32]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, boy, you turn that film on and be like, who is that.
- [38:38]
Tom Brokaw
Boy? I said, damn, he moving slow. I'm like, oh, that's me, man. Who run like they got on Tim? Who run it like they got Tim's on, on the field.
- [38:50]
Chad Ochocinco
Well, that camera, that camera, that eye in the sky will embarrass you.
- [38:52]
Tom Brokaw
Yes, yes, yes. Ocho. Adam Sandler to cast. Dick. Well, we ain't, we ain't got. I mean, we ain't got what you call them? No. Oh, you just wrote that in there. Nah, nah, that wasn't it. You just wrote this, this tweet in there. Yeah. The Jordan Tuck. Yeah, Jordan Tuck made a good point on Twitter. Imagine moving on from George Pickens thinking the locker room distraction, only to end up with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback.
- [39:34]
Chad Ochocinco
Well, I mean, Aaron Rodgers is a different type of distraction. A different type of distraction. Now, obviously, I think he's not going to cause any problem because his lease is short. Because if you mess, you see his.
- [39:48]
Tom Brokaw
Backups are his leash long.
- [39:49]
Chad Ochocinco
Hold on, listen. You mess things up in Pittsburgh, where's your next destination?
- [39:54]
Tom Brokaw
Where's your home? Oh, I mean, think about it. He decided.
- [39:58]
Chad Ochocinco
Okay, that's what I meant. You don't. You, you, you have the leverage. You don't have the leverage you once had where you were sought after, where you wanted the best in the league. You still living off that past resume, which is why yes wanted and waited for you to sign this late before mandatory minicamp, because they don't have any other options.
- [40:19]
Lester Holt
Right?
- [40:20]
Chad Ochocinco
So.
- [40:21]
Tom Brokaw
And at 20 and at 20, at year 21, I mean, this is going to be his 21st season. How many more seasons do you think he really want to play? He want to subject himself, getting up, studying film. Studying film all day Monday, studying film all day Tuesday, watching film after practice on Wednesday, Thursday. And you know how long you think Aaron Rodgers wants to do that?
- [40:39]
Chad Ochocinco
Listen, hey, when you see what the AFC north like, ain't no telling. He might be one and done after this season.
- [40:48]
Tom Brokaw
That's my point. I mean at 20, I mean you take it first of all, once you get to a certain number of years, you take it. I probably a quarterback. Other positions probably take it. Year 10 quarterbacks probably take it at year 15.
- [41:00]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [41:00]
Tom Brokaw
Especially the way they protect them now. So he's gotten six years past year 15. Yeah, hey, like, yeah, I don't think he's trying to eclipse Tom and try to play 24. You think you try to play 24 seasons?
- [41:13]
Chad Ochocinco
I ain't no telling. Ain't no telling because I, I, obviously they will continue to sign him the one year deals if things go well. Listen, I, I, I mean it's a.
- [41:22]
Tom Brokaw
Very team friendly contract. I mean 13, 13 and a half million dollars.
- [41:25]
Chad Ochocinco
Nothing.
- [41:26]
Tom Brokaw
Nothing, nothing.
- [41:27]
Chad Ochocinco
That's, that's nothing. I'm, listen, I, I love the Steelers. I don't want them to do well. I want them to do well except when they play the Bengals. I want DK Metcalf, I want Calvin Olson third and I want Robert Moore.
- [41:38]
Tom Brokaw
To have Robert Woods.
- [41:40]
Chad Ochocinco
Robert, I'm sorry, Robert Woods. They have phenomenal seasons like they can. I just, I just want to see them do well for Mike Tomlin's sake. Steeler fans have always been good to me. I love all of them. But when you play the Bengals, y' all get y' all ass ojo.
- [41:57]
Tom Brokaw
We all heard with Joe Flacco's comments about being a mentor or not being a mentor to Shador. Well, Russell Wilson was asked about how he approaches mentorship with Giants QB room, including first round draft pick Jackson Dart. I've always viewed it as I'm always trying to be the best version of you and then you're always giving back to everyone else. I think that's just not about one teammate. It's about all the teammates. It's about everybody in the building. It's about from all the way to the, from the quarterback room to the receivers to the running back. So it's like to me it's all inclusive and that's always the approach. Russ says, I'm not just trying to mentor the quarterbacks, I'm trying to mentor Receivers, I'm trying to mentor, running backs, I'm trying to be the best. Because I feel if I give to you, you're going to give back to me, and then we'll all give back to the team, and then we'll succeed you like what Russ had to say can.
- [42:49]
Chad Ochocinco
You can't ask that man. Russ, that's the preacher. The preacher always going to say the right thing, huh? You can't. You can't ask. You can't ask Russ that, man. You got that. You got to ask somebody else that question. You know, Russ is going to always say the right thing. Russ is going to run for office. Russ gonna run for mayor. Hell, Russ could run for goddamn president.
- [43:11]
Tom Brokaw
Right?
- [43:12]
Chad Ochocinco
Man, he had. He has the gift of gab. He understands the position that he's in. He's been afforded another opportunity to prove himself, which I think he will do. But in that situation, he has to say that. Does he really feel that way? Absolutely not. Hell, this motherfucker's here to take my goddamn job.
- [43:28]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah, he's a first round pick.
- [43:29]
Chad Ochocinco
Out of my mouth, he's the first round pick. I know my leash is short. Yeah, he has to say that. Does he really feel that? Absolutely not. As a competitor, as a football player, Absolutely.
- [43:40]
Tom Brokaw
And the thing is. And. And the thing is, Ocho, is, look, it doesn't matter how long, you know, Russ came in in 2012. So this is year, what, 14 for us, year 14 for Russ.
- [43:50]
Chad Ochocinco
Good years. Good years.
- [43:52]
Tom Brokaw
So he's like, man, you trying to speed up my process to get up out the league?
- [43:56]
Chad Ochocinco
Come on, now.
- [43:58]
Tom Brokaw
That's what it really is.
- [44:00]
Chad Ochocinco
I meant mentor, of course, man, you better.
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Tom Brokaw
You better.
- [44:02]
Chad Ochocinco
You better get it on your own. Hey, just think about. Just think about that. People in the chat. People in the chat that's listening. Think about somebody coming to your job that's brand new, and your boss telling you to train them to take your job. That's all it is. And we use the word mentor as. Like, as if. What you mean mentor? Like, come on now. They make it sound like it's a good thing when it's really not a good thing. The person is there to replace you. And you telling me to train them to take my job.
- [44:33]
Tom Brokaw
What are we talking about? Oh, you'll get a man some pointers, Ocho. Damn. Who Tell the man how to beat man coverage. Tell the man how to sit down in the zone.
- [44:44]
Chad Ochocinco
Look, look, turn on the film.
- [44:47]
Tom Brokaw
You got to talk to him. He said, man. Hey, let me tell you what I do. This is what you do. This is what I did. This is what I do.
- [44:52]
Chad Ochocinco
No, no, because listen, you, we don't have the same DNA. We don't have the same DNA. We don't have the same quick twitch fibers. So even if I do tell you what to do, you're not gonna be able to do it because our style of play is different.
- [45:06]
Tom Brokaw
I just want you to tell, I just want to say, hey, I learned from Ocho.
- [45:09]
Chad Ochocinco
Nah, now you better.
- [45:10]
Tom Brokaw
I didn't learn from Ocho.
- [45:11]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, listen, you better play Madden. Madden tell you how to get open on everything.
- [45:14]
Tom Brokaw
Hey, you remember how they got. Everybody said, man, I would train with Kobe. I trained with Elijah. Was, you know, I just wanted, you know, I just want to say, I trained with, I want to train with, I trained with Bruce Lee. Yeah, that's what I want to say. I trained with Bruce Lee.
- [45:28]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey. And don't look nothing like you.
- [45:32]
Tom Brokaw
Ah, yeah. Everybody's going to have their opinions. It's very, I mean, it all depends on the quarterback. Yeah. Cause you know, but that's the reason why, if you notice starting quarterbacks, they take the meal down and everything. Yeah, they don't. And they do not injury. They're gonna fight through injury because they don't want you to get a look at the backup. The last thing I want you, man, he look, did he look kind of good in practice today, Ocho, didn't it? Yeah, he threw with some conviction block. Nah. You can get them scout team reps, but he ain't getting no reps with them number one receivers. That ain't happening.
- [46:08]
Chad Ochocinco
Damn.
- [46:11]
Tom Brokaw
So I, I look, it's to each his own. It's each his own. I mean, everybody, there's no right, there's no wrong. As long as you're not, you know, hey, as long as you're not giving him no faulty information, we good. I don't really have, I don't really have no problem because he's on because I, I tried to help all the guys. I wanted to make sure if something were to happen to me, Ocho, they were prepared to go in there to perform at a high level. But, you know, I, I, I get it from the other stand because like I said, I, I mentored all those guys and, you know, Mike felt they were good enough to, to replace me. And then the same thing happened. When I got got to Baltimore, they drafted Todd, Todd Heap. After we won the Super Bowl, I tried to, you know, do the best I could and mentor him. And they're like, well, yeah, he good now so they released me and I had to go back to. I had to go back to Denver. So I don't. You look, it is what it is.
- [46:57]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. See how. See how they do you? They play. They played you.
- [47:02]
Tom Brokaw
I was good. I would. Let's just say, Ocho, I wasn't disappointed to go back to Denver.
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Chad Ochocinco
I got you. I got you.
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- [50:31]
Tom Brokaw
All right, here we go. Ocho, this is that now we we in your realm. Lamar Jackson is now the only AFC starting quarterback without a Super bowl appearance. AFC north yeah. Aaron Rodgers, he beat the Steelers in Super Bowl 35. Well, I know I'm saying but he he beat the Steelers. So he's been the one. Joe Burrow's been the one. We know Flacco's been the one. Lamar Jackson has not. Is will this be the season that Lamar Jackson gets to a Super Bowl?
- [51:06]
Chad Ochocinco
You know what, I don't know if it's going to be the season but he will get there before he's done playing. I know that much that AFC north is so unpredictable, especially with with the Bengals. I'm not sure how they will start off this season. You can kind of count. You can kind of count the Ravens and Ravens and being in every every season as long as Lamar Jackson is there, regardless of what pieces he has around him, him alone can get them to the playoffs by by himself. And then support Gas has always, always been phenomenal and but you always know Lamar Jackson is going to give you this. It's like when you when you watch, when you watch Giannis play unk like I said he gonna at 30 and you watch SGA play, he gonna get that 30. That's the same way Lamar Jackson is. That's why he gets paid the. The big bucks. As far as the super bowl is concerned. I'm not sure if it will be this year, but if it is this year, it will be because they go to in the playoff games each week and they have no effing turnovers, no turn. That's the only reason that kept them.
- [52:02]
Tom Brokaw
Out because they went like nine weeks in the regular season, didn't have a turnover. Ocho.
- [52:07]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah. And you get to the biggest game where it matters most and you turn it over twice and then you still almost had an opportunity to come back and win. But that's what it comes down to, you know, so I'm excited for him even, even as a Bengal man. I'm excited for Lamar in general, you know, to take my, my bangle. Bangle stardom. You know, I can put that aside and actually root for the young bull man to want to see him do well.
- [52:33]
Tom Brokaw
You mean fandom and. Yeah.
- [52:38]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, my bad. I mean fandom. Yeah.
- [52:40]
Tom Brokaw
You know, we know. We know what you mean. That's Osho. That's Ocho talking. Y' all leave a. Give a break. That's Ocho.
- [52:46]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I just, I just, I would love, I would just want to see him do well.
- [52:49]
Tom Brokaw
Joe, what you think this the year?
- [52:52]
Joe Burrow
I. I think so. You know, they, they, they went on a great run, I thought this past NFL season and for me I feel like they got everything in their toolbox as far as defense. Offensively, they're high power offensive machine and I can see it happening. I can see it happening.
- [53:13]
Tom Brokaw
You just need to get the one, Ocho.
- [53:17]
Chad Ochocinco
That's it. Get that monkey off your back.
- [53:19]
Tom Brokaw
I mean he too good. I mean he's too good. I mean look, he could easily be a three time league mvp. Ocho.
- [53:26]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah.
- [53:27]
Tom Brokaw
He's got two.
- [53:29]
Chad Ochocinco
They cheated him.
- [53:30]
Tom Brokaw
Look this, I think this was like the second or third time this ever happened. A guy. Because normally the guy that, the quarterback that goes to the. That is the all probability he Normally wins the MVP. 87. It happened with Joe Montana. Joe Montana was the first team all pro Quarterback John Elway won the MVP. Did it happen another year? I think it happened two or three times. This was, this was the second or the third time that it's happened. I know it happened in 87. 87 was the strike year. I was. That was my sophomore year in college. I remember that.
- [54:03]
Joe Burrow
So you saying he just need to get there.
- [54:07]
Tom Brokaw
If he get there and play well you know, we like. Well, you know what? Damn, ain't nothing else you can do. It's kind of like Tom. When Tom lost to. When he lost to the Eagles, he threw for 500 yards. Yeah. They was like, well, he didn't stop anybody. He just needs. He needs to get there. I let him get there, then I worry about whether he plays well or not. I just want him to get there. That's all I want. I just want to. I don't want. I want to see him on that big stage.
- [54:37]
Joe Burrow
That's a hell of a division they in. That's a gauntlet, boy. You gotta. Yeah.
- [54:40]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah. And you. And you think about it. You still got. Look, because you got at afc, you got Joe Burrow and you got him in the same division. Yeah. You still got my homeboy, and you got Josh Allen.
- [54:53]
Chad Ochocinco
And then now you got Aaron Rodgers in there. You don't know what Aaron Rodgers you can get. You ain't gonna get the Aaron Rodgers of old, but you're going to get glimpses and. And hot flashes of what he used to.
- [55:05]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah.
- [55:05]
Chad Ochocinco
And that is just enough to get him still his fan, still his fans. Hope and organization in general, which is why they waited on his ass.
- [55:11]
Tom Brokaw
Not all Steeler fans are excited about Aaron Rodgers signing with their team, especially this one. No. Let's take a listen. Look at this video. Ojo and Joe, today, June 5, 2025.
- [55:24]
Lester Holt
I'll never be a Steelers fan again.
- [55:28]
Tom Brokaw
Okay.
- [55:29]
Lester Holt
Autograph Minga jersey. I'm burning all my stellar stuff. He decided to pick up Aaron Rogers. I can't do this anymore. You kill us. You keep killing us. You let go George Pickins. You know what I mean? You let go Justin Fields. He could have. He had a potential to be something. It just. It's crazy. It's sad. So again today, my last day being a Steelers fan. So thank you, Rooney's. Thank you, Tomlin. You really did it.
- [56:05]
Tom Brokaw
Bye.
- [56:05]
Chad Ochocinco
Bye.
- [56:06]
Tom Brokaw
I would have kept my jersey if I don't like somebody joining the team. Okay. I put my. I'll put my fandom aside and when he leave, I come back.
- [56:17]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. Hey, hey, listen, He. He lying. Cause listen, if he a true Steelers fan, he'll be burning some. A recent jersey. He burning Minka fix Pat. Man, Min ain't been there in high goddamn Steelers.
- [56:28]
Tom Brokaw
Minka's still there.
- [56:31]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, think about M. Went from. From. From the Dolphins to the Damn. But no, no, no, no. He no real. He no real fan. No, he no real fan.
- [56:40]
Tom Brokaw
Gonna stay there. Stay down.
- [56:42]
Chad Ochocinco
Hold on.
- [56:43]
Tom Brokaw
Listen.
- [56:43]
Chad Ochocinco
Hold on. How you a Steelers fan, right? How you a Steelers fan? You understand what you have at the quarterback position, right? Knowing you don't have a chance to win, what you have to play quarterback for you right now, you've already seen before, but you mad Aaron Rodgers, who's. Who's eons better, even as bad as he was last year, eons better than what you have right now. But, oh, now you don't want to be a fan no more. You burning Minga Fitzpatricks jersey.
- [57:06]
Joe Burrow
I think you at least got to give it a chance. You, I mean, see if they even started yet, you know, long way from the same season.
- [57:13]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah, I mean, you what probably what, not 100 days. I said you still got all of July, August. Yeah, man, give it a. Yeah, yeah. You still probably about 90 something days, don't you? This is what Cam Hayward said. Thoughts? First off, why Minka's jersey? That's bonkers. Second, why burn? There are plenty of people that needs clothes. Third, you're going to regret it.
- [57:39]
Chad Ochocinco
I don't know about the regret.
- [57:40]
Tom Brokaw
I want to know when did this, when did this start burning jersey, Joe?
- [57:46]
Joe Burrow
Yeah, yeah, when LeBron did that, going to Miami.
- [57:49]
Tom Brokaw
The decision.
- [57:50]
Chad Ochocinco
The choice, the decision.
- [57:52]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah.
- [57:52]
Joe Burrow
People went.
- [57:54]
Chad Ochocinco
That was, that was. I could be wrong, but that was the first time I saw it. I think I could be wrong. It might have happened before, but I don't, I don't, I don't recall seeing it. Like, wait a minute. They burning jerseys? Didn't y' all pay for them?
- [58:06]
Tom Brokaw
Exactly.
- [58:06]
Chad Ochocinco
That's the first thing. How you burning something you pay burns.
- [58:09]
Tom Brokaw
It's a signed jersey.
- [58:12]
Joe Burrow
Hey, it's emotional decision, man. You know, some people can't control it, fellas. They can't control their emotions. They have to, they have to lash out. It's just part of it.
- [58:22]
Tom Brokaw
Oh, we got a good one, Joe. Guys, Jordan Love can't wait to face Aaron Rodgers when the packers play the Steelers. Packers visit the Steelers on Sunday Night Football Week eight. And Jordan Love already has it circled on his calendar. It's going to be fun. It's going to be awesome. I'm excited for it. I can't wait to be on different sides meeting up and, you know, we'll talk pre game things like that and hopefully we can exchange jerseys afterwards. I appreciate definitely the way Aaron the A Rod handled being in that situation. I think a big part of it, which he told me was he knew how it was for him being in the same position and the things that went through the way the situation might have Been handled differently. I think his perspective was. I'm trying to go about it just a little bit differently, which I think was awesome. In my time with A Rod, we had a great relationship. It was a. It was awesome being in the same room with him, being able to learn. He was amazing with everything and I definitely appreciate the way he handled everything on the outside with obviously him leaving and me taking over. It's been, he's been very supportive of me since. It's definitely helped me with some of the negativity that might have come with that. But A Rod handled it like a pro and did every. And did very right by me.
- [59:34]
Joe Burrow
Hey, I think what, what is it, eight weeks? That's about halfway through the season, right?
- [59:39]
Tom Brokaw
Yep.
- [59:39]
Joe Burrow
So I think a lot of it is going to be determined on how, how A Rod holds up, what it's going to look like, if can he stay healthy or will he have fresh legs, you know, throughout this season to be effective or, you know, to be able to be that quarterback that the Steelers need to get over the hump.
- [59:57]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah, I definitely think A Rod learned being in the very situation that Jordan Love was in, came in there was a three time league MVP quarterback, a guy that had already been to the super bowl, had won a Super bowl, been to another one that very, wasn't very receptive of him being there. Yeah. And A Rod said, you know, probably looked at it like, man, if I remember in that situation, I don't know if I handle it like that. Yeah, takes a lot. It's easy. It ain't easy. Better the player, the bigger the ego, Ocho. And we know who has the big. We know who has the bigger, the biggest egos. They just do the best job of hiding it. I've told people that since I was on television 20 plus years ago. I say the guys with the biggest egos are the quarterbacks. They just do the best job of hiding it because they've been quarterbacks their whole life. Normally their dads or someone have been coaching me and tell them how to do it. So. But you know, wide receiver, the corners, we just can't. We just couldn't help ourselves, Ocho.
- [60:58]
Joe Burrow
Right, right.
- [60:59]
Tom Brokaw
Hey, look, if it came up, it's coming out.
- [61:02]
Joe Burrow
Yeah. Tell me something, Ocho. He had just came off what, two MVPs, right? Back to back, back to back MVPs. So I don't know, maybe. Maybe A Rod seen it writing on the wall. As far as them trying to move on like y' all said, you know, he been in that position Before. He's seen this movie before. It's a rerun to him, so he didn't want to be a part of that.
- [61:23]
Tom Brokaw
Well, the thing was, they. They got tired of him holding the. The. The organization hostage.
- [61:28]
Joe Burrow
Well, I mean, ain't nothing changed, right?
- [61:30]
Tom Brokaw
So they like, okay, you. They took the. The moment they drafted the quarterback, they took the power back and he knew it. Yeah, that's why they did it.
- [61:40]
Chad Ochocinco
That's why he was upset. And now. And listen, listen, now I can piggyback based off. You heard what you just said. Now you see why Tomlin wasn't allowed to get a quarterback while Ben was still there. Based on the relationship that Ben had with everybody upstairs because they understood it would piss him off. And the relationship with them upstairs was much, much, much better than that of been in the. Been in the head coach. Yeah, I'm just throwing that back. I'm throwing that back out there.
- [62:05]
Tom Brokaw
Jamar Chase gave his Mount Rushmore of NFL receivers. He got Antonio Brown, Cooper Cup, Calvin Johnson, Jerry Rice. Oh, you like his list?
- [62:18]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, A.B. calvin Johnson.
- [62:21]
Tom Brokaw
Oh, you got him over Moss and Tio.
- [62:24]
Chad Ochocinco
I mean, no, that's his. That's why. That's why. That's why it's his list.
- [62:29]
Tom Brokaw
I ain't going that far down.
- [62:31]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, no, I ain't going. But listen, it's. There's about 10 players on. When you ask somebody's top five Joe when it comes receivers, and it's based on preference at that point is based on. Regardless of what the numbers may be. When you say certain names like, you can't go wrong.
- [62:48]
Tom Brokaw
You.
- [62:48]
Chad Ochocinco
You just can't go wrong. It just comes down to preference on the type of player you like and what they did when they played. But there's so many that.
- [62:55]
Tom Brokaw
That, that.
- [62:55]
Chad Ochocinco
That belong in that conversation. If you just take numbers away. I know it's always about numbers. Everything is always about numbers. But when you talk about Jerry Rice and. And, and. And Randy Moss and to. And A.B. and Megatron and Larry Fyro, like, it's all interchangeable. Except Rice. Rice is in the class of his own. I also want to Justin Jefferson Cheetah. And now he just.
- [63:14]
Tom Brokaw
You got to see Jerry's numbers after he turned 30. That's what people. Jerry had 1200 receiving yards at 40.
- [63:22]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, I saw a breakdown. Somebody broke it down. Somebody broke it down on Twitter and broke it down. And I was like, what the hell? It was crazy.
- [63:32]
Tom Brokaw
He had like. He had like 10,000. He had over like 12, 000 yards at after 30 30.
- [63:39]
Chad Ochocinco
That's that dog. That's.
- [63:41]
Tom Brokaw
And a lot of that. It was a running league. But ab. AB was phenomenal. I wish AB could have just like kept it together for a couple more years.
- [63:54]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, he had about a six, seven. What? Six, seven year, eight year stretch I'm talking about.
- [63:59]
Joe Burrow
Nobody could do nothing with him.
- [64:01]
Tom Brokaw
Nope.
- [64:01]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, Nathaniel. Nothing.
- [64:04]
Tom Brokaw
Oh man, that joker was quick as a cat on a hot tin roof.
- [64:11]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, thought you were nice, Cooper Cup.
- [64:15]
Tom Brokaw
The thing is, but if you think about Ocho, Cooper cup only really had that one season, that Triple Crown year. Yeah, yeah, I don't think, I don't think he might have had two seasons in which he had a thousand yards yard before that.
- [64:28]
Chad Ochocinco
Actually it is. You said it just right. He had two seasons previous.
- [64:31]
Tom Brokaw
No, I think he had two seasons total and one of them was that Triple crown season. Go pull up Cooper Cup.
- [64:40]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I, I think I could have.
- [64:42]
Tom Brokaw
Remember he got, Remember he tore his acl? Remember that super bowl year he tore his acl?
- [64:47]
Chad Ochocinco
Wait.
- [64:49]
Tom Brokaw
The year they played the Patriots.
- [64:52]
Chad Ochocinco
He had a thousand yard season before that.
- [64:53]
Tom Brokaw
I know Cooper Cup. How many thousand yards he had?
- [64:57]
Chad Ochocinco
I think he had two. I guarantee he had two before that Triple Crown year. Watch.
- [65:03]
Tom Brokaw
He had two total. That's what I said. I said two including the Triple Crown year. Not two before. Two total including the Triple Crown. That's it. That's it. That's it.
- [65:27]
Chad Ochocinco
Okay, okay. I, I, I, I, I'm damn. Well listen, listen. Being able to achieve that Triple crown man in itself is. That's, that's hard. That's difficult. That's, that's, that's difficult. That's difficult. Being consistent all year long, not getting hurt.
- [65:43]
Tom Brokaw
What'd you want to say? 4 time Pro bowl running back Nick Chubb is expected to sign a one year deal with the Houston Texans. The signing is contingent on Chubb passing a physical. The former Cleveland Brown running back would join the Texans running rushing attack led by Pro bowl rusher Joe Mixon, Damian Pierce, Dare Ogumbunwale and fourth round pick Woody Marks out of usc. Ocho, you like this?
- [66:14]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I do. I like it, I like it. I mean I'm not. Does it take away some of, some of the carries away from, from Joe? I'm not, I'm not sure how that's, how that's going to work. I'm sure they'll find a way, they'll find a way to make it work. I, I don't, I don't think with Joe being a, a number one running Back and bringing in another one number another.
- [66:38]
Tom Brokaw
Spelling some. I mean, you look, you still got Damian Pierce there. You got a goomba Wally. Yeah. Fourth round picking Woody Marks. There ain't no guarantee you gonna make the team. Ocho, Mick, Chub.
- [66:58]
Chad Ochocinco
Man, stop playing, man. Come on now. Don't. Don't do that. What you mean, no guarantee? Hey, I just seen score. I just seen Chubb squatting £750 last year.
- [67:08]
Tom Brokaw
Powerlifting meat.
- [67:10]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, listen, he's a power runner and he always has been. Ain't nothing pretty about him. Hey, when you look at Nick Chubb, when you walk him dress, you know, in the locker room where they have. They had a little mannequin on the.
- [67:21]
Tom Brokaw
Wall with all them pads.
- [67:25]
Chad Ochocinco
That's just how you run the ball. Hey, well, listen, listen, he's. He's a down here runner, man. He's really good. He relies on his offensive line, you know, to get him going. And I. I don't know. I. I just. I just. I don't really. I don't like that move of having two number ones or two really, really good running backs on the team like that. I mean, it's. It's similar, but it's two of the same type of backs. I can see if you had something like a Jameer Gibbs and the David Montgomery, but you got two. Two of the same things in the backfield, really. Or maybe I could be wrong. Yeah, maybe I could be wrong.
- [68:01]
Tom Brokaw
Mixing catches the ball a little more. He's a little more shifty. He's not the kind of. He's not the. Really the same type of. Joe Mixon is kind of more like a Damon Pierce. He more of a power run. I don't really know Woody Marks, so I don't really know a whole lot about him, so I can't speak to that. But. But Joe got a little bit more wiggle. A little bit more twitch to it than. Than the Chub. Chubby is all power. When you. When you squatting 600, 700 pounds, you. You're a power runner.
- [68:27]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I mean, hell, I would do. I was doing that in high school. I mean, so.
- [68:33]
Lester Holt
Damn.
- [68:35]
Chad Ochocinco
All right. That's a nice little combo back there, though.
- [68:37]
Joe Burrow
Nice, big fella.
- [68:39]
Tom Brokaw
Ocho still ain't paying me my money. Titus, what you think about that.
- [68:43]
Joe Burrow
Man? Oh, when I get back. When I get back to Atlanta, I got. I'm gonna put my big boy on the screen. They look exactly alike, that black mask. Yeah, black mask with that. With that tan coat. Exactly alike.
- [68:58]
Chad Ochocinco
Joe, where you at, Joe?
- [69:00]
Joe Burrow
I'M in Detroit.
- [69:03]
Chad Ochocinco
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
- [69:04]
Tom Brokaw
We.
- [69:05]
Joe Burrow
We. We got my hair. With my big three team, Detroit Amps, we're doing a little mini training camp before we take off to Chicago this. This upcoming weekend and playing our first game, so.
- [69:17]
Tom Brokaw
Okay.
- [69:17]
Chad Ochocinco
Okay, okay. It's on tv.
- [69:19]
Joe Burrow
Oh, yeah. It's gonna be on cbs, baby. You already know prime time. Stop playing.
- [69:24]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, y' all got money? Well, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be talking.
- [69:27]
Joe Burrow
Come on, now. Come on, now.
- [69:28]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah, I don't know if I'll be able to buy you dog food. Ocho. Ocho, got your 5,900, man. Ocho, got your buddy. Hey, CD Lamb speaks about the worst ever contract holdout in 2024. He missed all training camp and mandatory minicamps in 2024. Offseason, the Cowboys and Lamb found middle ground with less than two weeks left in the season opener. CD Talked about missing offseason practice session, and it might have been impacted last year's performance. I would know somebody. I know what somebody of Nightcap crew said. But anyway, honestly, it was the worst. It was the worst ever. Do you hear me? For those who know me, they know how serious I take this football stuff. Like, with everything in me, I pride, my body, mind, soul, everything I got into winning and the result of it. And obviously preparation goes into that, you know, and for me to miss out on, right? Preparation with my team, my quarterback, my guys just building those bonds off the field, whatever the case may be. You know what I'm saying? Like, I missed out on that.
- [70:33]
Joe Burrow
Hey, I agree, fellas. Look, rhythm and timing, you can't make that up. You cannot make that up. You gotta be out there, you gotta be in the thicker. You gotta be tuned in. And I thought that the entire season, I'm like, man, Cee gon come back, he probably gonna have a week of preparation. It ain't gonna be no good year. You know what I mean?
- [70:52]
Tom Brokaw
My thing was worried about him getting Nick Ocho. You know how it is, man. When you come in there and they try to put all. They try to get all the time that you missed, they try to put it back in a couple of practices. And now you got soft tissue, you got a calf, you got a hamstring, you got a quad, you got an adductor or something like that. I'm like, damn, bro, I just got here. Let me build up. I ain't got to get all these practices back in two days.
- [71:14]
Joe Burrow
Hey, look, that's probably why they. They probably blowing up your phone, making sure. You working out, getting a little training on your own versus just kind of sitting around waiting, you know, to kind of see if things gonna pan out, but. Yeah, I agree, man. I think having this. This off season with the. With the crew, I think they. I think. I think them boys gonna be much better this year, Ocho.
- [71:34]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, they're gonna be all right. They're gonna be all right. Listen, I said they were gonna be all right anyway, Even. Even if they didn't have George Pickens, I think it would have been a better year for them. But the addition of him offensively, I don't know what they would look like defensively, but offensively, I know them boys finna shake some things now. They finna shake some dice now. And they didn't have no choice. Jerry didn't have a choice but to make a move like this with every. Every other team in that NFC improving around. Look what the commander's doing. Look at the Eagles. We. I'm sure you already know what the Eagles doing. You don't know. So in order. In order to compete in that NFC by itself, just in your division alone, forget getting to the playoffs, I need to be able to compete in my own division. You got to improve as much as you can and stop playing around and hurry up and pay Micah. We'll be waiting for on that end. They do. He does the same thing with every player every year. I don't understand what.
- [72:24]
Tom Brokaw
Yeah, he tried. He tried. He tried to circumvent David Mugaletta. And I like Michael. Michael, like. I don't have to be. I don't have to be the highest paid. I'm saying that publicly behind the scenes. Go get that money days.
- [72:41]
Chad Ochocinco
Thank you.
- [72:42]
Tom Brokaw
Go get that money, Dave. I'm saying all the right things publicly. Yeah, yeah, but probably. Hey, when that contract is announced, I'm the highest paid non. Quarterback. I'm. I jump. I leapfrog, chase.
- [72:56]
Chad Ochocinco
As it should be.
- [72:57]
Tom Brokaw
Jalen. Carlos. Jalen. Jalen. Carter says his. Says Hamburger Helper is his favorite food. My mom cooks Hamburger Helper. I love it. I could eat it every day. She calls me to come eat, and when I get the plate, it's gonna be a minute.
- [73:11]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, that's my a. You're a real one. You're a real one. Hamburger Helper. I never forget them days.
- [73:21]
Tom Brokaw
I ain't never had no Hamburger Helper, man.
- [73:22]
Joe Burrow
Stop it.
- [73:24]
Chad Ochocinco
What?
- [73:26]
Tom Brokaw
You ain't never Hamburger Helper.
- [73:30]
Chad Ochocinco
Man. Come on, man. See, you know what?
- [73:32]
Tom Brokaw
Because my grandma. My grandma. My grandma ain't had nobody no Money Helper. So unless you got money up, you can't get no Hamburger Helper.
- [73:41]
Chad Ochocinco
A Hamburger Helper, you know, that is. Is very inexpensive. Even still to this day.
- [73:45]
Tom Brokaw
Now I'm gonna have. I'm gonna have to have. Get me some.
- [73:47]
Joe Burrow
Oh, man. Hey.
- [73:51]
Chad Ochocinco
Ain'T nothing. Ain't nothing. You ever had Cream of Wheat?
- [73:54]
Tom Brokaw
I've had Cream of Wheat. I ain't. I'm a grits guy, Joe. You grits? A Cream of Wheat?
- [74:00]
Joe Burrow
Cream of Wheat.
- [74:02]
Tom Brokaw
You from Arkansas to my Cream of Wheat?
- [74:04]
Joe Burrow
Yeah, I ain't no grizz guy, huh?
- [74:09]
Chad Ochocinco
My granddad used to use that evaporated milk with the. With the cow in the can.
- [74:12]
Tom Brokaw
You know what I'm talking about, Bordens?
- [74:15]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, okay, Uncle.
- [74:17]
Tom Brokaw
You know your stuff, bro. We used to. I wonder. You know what, Ocho? It wasn't until I got grown that I realized that you weren't supposed to drink that. You weren't supposed to eat that. You cook with that milk. I wonder why my stomach was always tore up. I was like, every time I eat cereal, yo. I ain't like. I was like, dang. I was like, why my stomach. Every time I eat cereal, my stomach be messed up. It wasn't until I got grown. You supposed to cook with evaporated milk. You don't supposed to just eat. Look at Joe. That was thick as hell running through me. Light water through a foreign tourist.
- [74:59]
Joe Burrow
Hey, we used to be some serious eating jokers, boy. I'm talking about at least five, six bowls a day.
- [75:05]
Tom Brokaw
Oh, no.
- [75:05]
Joe Burrow
Yeah, man, you.
- [75:07]
Tom Brokaw
Hey, I tell you what, you better let. Hey, you better make that cereal last until Granny get another paycheck. You eat four, five bowls if you want to. You go. Go a whole week or two without it.
- [75:16]
Joe Burrow
Hey, Unc, I was the only one in the house. Mom be at work. Hey, I better test some cereal up. I'm gonna go through some cereal.
- [75:23]
Tom Brokaw
But, hey, it was. No, we eating cornflakes. Cornflakes on there. You ain't getting all the other stuff. No Cheerios, no Frosted Flakes, all that other stuff, you know, Fruit Loops and Dig them Smacks and, and, and, and. And cinnamon toast. You weren't getting none of that. You know, we did have some King Vitamins and then.
- [75:46]
Chad Ochocinco
Don't hit your mama. Talk about it's only a little bit. A little bit of milk left. It ain't enough milk for the cereal.
- [75:51]
Tom Brokaw
Put some water.
- [75:51]
Chad Ochocinco
You add some goddamn water to that.
- [75:53]
Tom Brokaw
You put water.
- [75:54]
Chad Ochocinco
There you go. Add some water to that milk.
- [75:56]
Tom Brokaw
Hey. Oo. Put a little water that thing and shake that thing up so you, you don't shake it up good, that water gonna be sitting right there on the top.
- [76:07]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, I remember them days. The volume.
- [76:14]
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- [76:45]
Michael Kassin
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Tom Brokaw
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