Nightcap - Hour 1: Terron Armstead and Mark Ingram react to BLOCKBUSTER Dolphin-Steelers trade + TJ Watt contract discussions!

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Episode Summary
Episode: Nightcap - Hour 1: Terron Armstead and Mark Ingram react to BLOCKBUSTER Dolphin-Steelers trade + TJ Watt contract discussions!
Release Date: July 1, 2025
Host/Authors: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media
Featured Guests: Terron Armstead and Mark Ingram

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Introduction [00:00 - 01:19]

The episode kicks off with an energetic introduction as Terron Armstead takes over the Nightcap podcast for Takeover Week 2. He introduces himself alongside his brother, Mark "Deuce" Ingram, a Heisman Trophy-winning running back. The hosts exchange friendly banter, setting a relaxed and engaging tone for the discussion ahead.

Blockbuster Dolphins-Steelers Trade [01:55 - 05:45]

Overview of the Trade: Terron Armstead and Mark Ingram delve into the recent blockbuster trade between the Miami Dolphins and the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Dolphins traded away star cornerback Jalen Ramsey, offensive lineman John O. Smith, and a seventh-round pick in exchange for safety Minka Fitzpatrick and a fifth-round pick from the Steelers.

Armstead’s Insight [02:55 - 03:55]: Armstead provides an insider perspective, highlighting the Dolphins' strategic maneuver:

“Minka is a dog now. Minka is him. He's been him since Belma. Minka is legendary.”
(03:03)

He emphasizes that trading Jalen Ramsey, who was seeking a trade and unlikely to contribute positively if he stayed, was a savvy move by the Dolphins to bolster their defensive lineup without long-term baggage.

Ingram’s Reaction [02:24 - 04:15]: Mark Ingram expresses surprise at Ramsey’s unhappiness, acknowledging the Dolphins' decision as beneficial:

“If he’s unhappy, then that was a good move for Miami. You never want to have somebody that doesn’t want to be there.”
(04:05)

He underscores the value of acquiring two Pro Bowlers in Fitzpatrick and Smith, suggesting that the Dolphins got a favorable return despite the apparent two-for-one trade.

Historical Context [05:05 - 05:35]: Armstead notes the rarity of such high-profile player swaps:

“This is the first time since 2002 that two five-time Pro Bowlers were swapped in the trade.”
(05:17)

The hosts discuss the implications of this trade on both teams, analyzing how the Steelers aim to strengthen their defense amid a competitive AFC North.

Steelers’ Strategy and T.J. Watt Contract [09:55 - 12:54]

T.J. Watt’s Future [09:55 - 12:54]: The conversation shifts to the Steelers’ star linebacker T.J. Watt and the ongoing contract negotiations. Armstead and Ingram ponder whether the Steelers might consider trading Watt amidst contract uncertainties.

Mark Ingram shares his perspective:

“If you do that to T.J. Watt, like you’re not helping yourself accomplish the main goal. So I think that he is a Steeler for sure at the start of the season.”
(10:30)

Armstead elaborates on Watt’s impact:

“T.J. Watt is an incredible Hall of Fame first ballot talent and production thus far in his career. He’s been undeniable.”
(11:11)

They conclude that unless there are undisclosed issues, Watt is likely to remain with the Steelers when the season begins, emphasizing his importance to the team's defensive prowess.

NFL Rivalries [07:09 - 09:55]

Comparing Rivalries: Armstead and Ingram engage in a spirited debate about the most intense rivalries in the NFL. They compare the Saints vs. Falcons rivalry with the Steelers vs. Ravens rivalry, highlighting the deep-seated history and competitive nature of both.

Mark Ingram shares his take:

“I think the Saints and the Falcons, bro. Must get the squabbling down there... They also have the Ravens and Steelers.”
(08:59)

Both agree that these rivalries are marked by fierce competition and passionate fanbases, making games between these teams particularly electrifying.

Lamar Jackson’s Championship Quest [15:40 - 18:46]

Lamar’s Pursuit of a Ring: The discussion moves to Baltimore Ravens’ quarterback Lamar Jackson and his outspoken desire to win a Super Bowl. They explore whether Jackson needs to secure a championship this season to cement his legacy.

Mark Ingram asserts:

“I don’t think he has to win it this year. He’s going to be playing for a long time, so he’s one of the best players in the NFL.”
(15:57)

Armstead agrees, emphasizing that while winning enhances Jackson’s reputation, his individual talent and leadership already place him among the league’s elite.

Kyler Murray: The Underrated QB [20:16 - 24:55]

Evaluating Kyler Murray: Armstead poses the question of whether Kyler Murray is the most underrated quarterback in the NFL. They discuss his dual-threat capabilities, including his ability to make plays both inside and outside the pocket.

Mark Ingram responds:

“I think Kyler Murray is very skilled, like in his game, especially in today’s NFL... He’s a good player, man.”
(21:56)

He emphasizes the need for Murray to lead his team to victories to gain the recognition he deserves:

“You gotta win, bro. That’s the bottom line as a quarterback...”
(23:38)

Armstead agrees, noting that while Murray has the talent, consistent team success is crucial for elevating his status in the league.

Handling Criticism from Retired Players [28:45 - 30:21]

Responding to Terrell Owens’ Remarks: The hosts address recent comments made by retired NFL star Terrell Owens, who criticized current player Debo Samuels' physique. They discuss the appropriateness of retired players making such remarks.

Mark Ingram states:

“I’m not one of them ones that just do that... I respect people and I show people love.”
(28:45)

Armstead adds:

“Let’s focus on the game. Let’s focus on the technique... don’t just be throwing shots at a player for no reason.”
(29:33)

They advocate for maintaining professionalism and focusing critiques on the game rather than personal attributes.

Saints’ Quarterback Competition [30:40 - 34:35]

Warriors for the Starting Job: The episode shifts to the New Orleans Saints' quarterback competition between Tyler Schulz and Spencer Rattler. Armstead questions Mark Ingram about his confidence in Schulz securing the starting position.

Mark Ingram shares limited insights:

“I really don’t know too much about Tyler in Louisville... but I’m rooting for the kid.”
(31:36)

They discuss the challenges both quarterbacks face, including Rattler’s underutilization last season due to injuries. The conversation highlights the uncertainty and excitement surrounding the Saints' quarterback battle.

Conclusion and Wrap-Up [34:45 - End]

The hosts conclude the episode by acknowledging the vibrant sports landscape, mentioning the NBA Finals, WNBA games, and upcoming training camps. They express gratitude to their listeners and sign off with positive messages.

Mark Ingram reflects:

“Spread love, spread positivity and let’s keep it pushing, dog.”
(35:05)

Terron Armstead adds his thanks and well-wishes, ensuring listeners stay tuned for more engaging sports discussions.

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Notable Quotes:

• Terron Armstead on Minka Fitzpatrick:
  “Minka is a dog now. Minka is him. He's been him since Belma. Minka is legendary.”
  (03:03)

• Mark Ingram on Kyler Murray:
  “I think Kyler Murray is one of those guys that can make a difference. He’s a baller dog, you know what I mean?”
  (21:56)

• Mark Ingram on Lamar Jackson’s MVP:
  “Josh Allen deserved the last one. But Lamar just had a year that nobody, no quarterback has had in the NFL history.”
  (16:18)

• Terron Armstead on Handling Criticism:
  “Let’s focus on the game. Let’s focus on the technique, whatever.”
  (29:34)

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers a comprehensive and insightful analysis of major NFL trades, player contracts, and quarterback performances, all delivered with the engaging chemistry between Terron Armstead and Mark Ingram. Whether you're a die-hard football fan or a casual observer, this discussion provides valuable perspectives on the current state and future of the league.

Transcript

[Mark Ingram]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Armstead T. Stead]

The Volume. Welcome to Nightcap Takeover Week 2. Armstead T. Stead taking over. And I'm joined by my brother, my good brother, the legend, the Heisman Trophy winning national championship winning Mark Deuce. Deuce Ingram. I am joined by my brother Mark Ingram later on. Warren G is also stopping by, so please make sure y' all like and hit that subscribe button. Dudes, dudes, what's happening? What's happening there? What's happening in my brother? Gotta get my audio on. Dudes. Deuce alone. I work with me. Y' all work with me now.

[Mark Ingram]

Is it good?

[Armstead T. Stead]

There we go. There we go.

[Mark Ingram]

Oh, my bad.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Okay.

[Mark Ingram]

My bad. You can hear me now.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Yeah, we good. We live.

[Mark Ingram]

Big Steady in the building. You know what's going down, man.

[Armstead T. Stead]

My dog. What's happening? Big Steady, how you living?

[Mark Ingram]

I'm good, bro. I'm blessed, man. Honored to be on the nightcap with my dog, Big Stead in the building, in the flesh, the legend himself. Hey, man, that intro was legendary. I ain't gonna lie to you. I gotta show love was fine, man. Hey, I appreciate you, man.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Legendary.

[Mark Ingram]

You hosting look good, man.

[Armstead T. Stead]

For a legendary guy, you. It's only right. It's only right. It's only right.

[Mark Ingram]

Heck yeah. Heck yeah.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Let's get into it, dudes. Deuce. We had Blockbuster trade today. I'm getting on my flight. I'm leaving AAU national championship with my girls and, man, as soon as I sit down. Blockbuster Trade. The Miami Dolphins. My Miami Dolphins send Jalen Ramsey, John Lou Smith and a seventh round pick to Pittsburgh in return for Minka Fitzpatrick and a fifth round pick. What's your initial reaction? What you think when you first saw that?

[Mark Ingram]

I, I mean, just Miami just get rid of all they good players.

[Armstead T. Stead]

The two. The two for one hurt.

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, I know. I'm like, you just gonna get rid of everybody. Minka is a dog now. Minka is him. He's been him since Belma. Minka is legendary. But then you get two Pro Bowlers on return and the in the seventh, I'm like, the Steelers had to win the trade, right?

[Armstead T. Stead]

You gotta. I, I think I take a different perspective, Mark. Like I, I. Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

Cause you've been in the building. You've been in the building. So you tell me the perspective.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Big St. All right. It's gonna be real insightful tonight. I, I've been with the Miami Dolphins for the last three years. So I'm teammates with Jalen Ramsey, teammates with John Smith, and my perspective on the trade I think Miami excelled at, at, at the highest level that they could presented.

[Mark Ingram]

So they, they needed a safety, just presented the situation.

[Armstead T. Stead]

So we got Jalen Rams, we got an all world player who's unhappy he's leaving. He's not going to suit up in the Dolphins uniform.

[Mark Ingram]

So I didn't know he was unhappy. If he's unhappy, then.

[Armstead T. Stead]

So he's, he's seeking a trade, right? He's seeking a trade. He's not going to play for you, so you can hold on to him. This grown up situation, I didn't know these, I didn't know for nothing. Or you get a return all pro player who's been arguably but not argued by many the best safety in the NFL or the last four or five years. So if you can trade Ramsey for Minka, it's unbelievable what the Dolphins was able to do.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah. Losing John, I didn't know Jalen was unhappy. If you have an unhappy disgruntled player, then that's a win. You know what I mean? So I didn't. You see, you got the inside scoop, man. Yeah, you was there, ota big steady, retired, but not really retired. Still got his foot in the. You know what I mean?

[Armstead T. Stead]

I'm gone. Good and gone.

[Mark Ingram]

You got all the insights, bro. You got all the inside scoops. So on the outside looking in, you had the inside scoop. It's like, dang, they lost two for one, you know what I mean? Two pro ball players for one. Obviously all good players are involved in this trade, you know what I mean? But you know, you talk about the two for one. I didn't know he was disgruntled and unhappy. So that was a good move for Miami. You never want to have somebody that, that doesn't want to be there, you know, for sure.

[Armstead T. Stead]

For sure. Yeah. And Ramsey's been, he's been publicly, he's been publicly loud about him wanting to departure from Miami.

[Mark Ingram]

So yeah, I should probably know these headlines being I'm 30 minutes from the facility.

[Armstead T. Stead]

But no, and it's not, it's not a situation to where like it's, it's toxic or he can't talk to Chris, he can't talk to Mike. That's not the situation I think for, for him and where he is in his career, what he sees for his new near future, he felt like he'd be best suited elsewhere.

[Mark Ingram]

So yeah, it be like that sometimes, man. It'd be like that. It's all good. We all been through it. You played for two teams, I played for three teams. You know, it be like that sometimes. Business be business.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Yeah, you know, I feel you for sure. I do. So Minka and Jalen, this is the first time since 2002 that two five, two five time Pro Bowlers were swapped in the trade. It's the first time since 2002. It's pretty crazy, man.

[Mark Ingram]

Who was that trade? Who was that trade?

[Armstead T. Stead]

You know I don't got that right now. Damn, you just stunned me with that question. I just know it's been a fault, my fault. It's been 23 years since it happened. That's all I know.

[Mark Ingram]

Okay.

[Armstead T. Stead]

It's been 23 years. So how do you see Jalen Ramsey fitting in with Mike Tomlin in that Pittsburgh defense?

[Mark Ingram]

I mean, Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, I mean, they always got them dudes over there, you know what I mean? They always got, you know, the dogs that come through there, man. So Jalen Ramsey to the AFC North. You know, the AFC north is a really tough division. So the Steelers are trying to get stronger. You know what I mean? You know, they went signed a rod, they went and got dk. Now you go and make a big trade for Jalen Ramsey. So they're trying to make moves, man, because they know the AFC north is nothing to play with. You got Lamar Jackson over there. You know, Joe Burrow. Yeah, Lamar Jack. You fear me? Era a apparel, you know, we got. You got, you know, big trust. No, I'm just playing. But yeah, you got in the flesh. Yes, sir. But yeah, that's a tough division, man. So for the Steelers, they're trying to get stronger, man. So I think that's a good move for them. And Mike Tomlin, you know, he. He's one of the most, you know, consistent coaches there's been over the last decade plus. So I know he's trying to get his team right. He knows what it takes to win for sure.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Very, very uncharacteristic year for them, though this. This offseason has been it Steelers like, not traditionally for them to make splash. Free ages. Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf, like you just mentioned, trading for Jalen Ramsey, trading away Minga Fitzpatrick, like, what is the reason for that? Why you think that it's. It's like a. They're going outside of the North.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm telling you, that AFC north is a mother. Watch your mouth. The AFC north is a mother. Watch your mouth. That's a tough conference, man. That's a tough division to win, man. And you talking about Lamar Jackson, you talking about Joe Burrow, talking About the Browns. Everyone's trying to make moves and get a team that could win. I played in AFC North. It's a tough division, man. It's a very competitive division. It's a prideful division. And so what's that robbery trying to get back?

[Armstead T. Stead]

How deep is that hate as. As a Raven, bro?

[Mark Ingram]

The Raven Steelers. That Raven Steelers is nasty, dog. We played Falcons and Saints, and that's nasty, too. You know what I mean? So. Yeah, yeah, the Raven Steelers, man. It's deep, bro. Pause. And. And it's just a. It's one of them ones, man. You talk about great rivalries. It's definitely up there. I'm an Iron bowl guy. Alabama, Auburn, it's one of them ones.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I gotta put you under pressure right now, Mark. Your fan bases might. They might have some words for you after this. Which is a stronger, more genuine rival rivalry, the Saints vs. The Falcons or the Steelers vs. The Ravens?

[Mark Ingram]

Come on.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I mean, why not? Why not? I just seen you under pressure, my good brother.

[Mark Ingram]

It ain't pressure.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I didn't see you under pressure.

[Mark Ingram]

I respect. It ain't pressure because I respect both of the rivalries to the utmost. It's deep.

[Armstead T. Stead]

No, we ain't doing it.

[Mark Ingram]

Pause.

[Armstead T. Stead]

We ain't doing that. You gotta answer the question.

[Mark Ingram]

Deep. Pause. And it's history and bad blood in these games, but also minimal respect, but respect. You know what I mean?

[Armstead T. Stead]

No, you gotta answer the question. You gotta. No, no, I need. I need this right now. I need to know. Saints, Falcons.

[Mark Ingram]

I think the Saints. I think the Saints and the Falcons, bro. Must get the squabbling down there for about behind that. Must get the squabbling behind that.

[Armstead T. Stead]

You know what I mean?

[Mark Ingram]

They do, too, bro. The Ravens and Steelers do too. They get the squabbling behind that, too, bro. I can't. I can't answer that question.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I get it. I get it. It's a high seat. It's no answer.

[Mark Ingram]

It's not a high seat.

[Armstead T. Stead]

But there's no answer for that. That's two of the most stories.

[Mark Ingram]

Stu, storied with great tradition, has history. Like there's Super Bowls and playoff victories behind both of them. Like, you know what I mean? Well, the Saints got the only one in the Falcons. Saints rivalry, but there's a couple in both of the Ravens and you know what I mean? The Steelers. So it's some big, magnificent wins and history behind stories and plays and dirty plays, but behind both of them, it's city rivalries behind both of them. But, yeah, man, it's. I Don't like the Steelers and I don't like the foul can'ts. So I don't like n. I don't like N.1 not a N. Not. I don't like n. Not one of them.

[Armstead T. Stead]

All right, before we move past the Steelers last question, I'm g ask you about them in. In recent weeks, it's been multiple rumors and discussions talking about whether the Steelers will trade away T.J. watt. You hear that? And it's. I don't think there's much life to it at all. But with this contract situation and it's taking so long for him to get a new contract, what do you think comes out of this situation? Do you think T.J. watt is a Pittsburgh Steeler when the season start or it's another blockbuster splash move by the Pittsburgh Steelers?

[Mark Ingram]

I mean, Steelers, you're making moves to try and like put yourself in position to win the division. And if you do that to T.J. watt, like you're not helping yourself accomplish the main goal. So I think that he is a ste when it starts. You know what I mean? But like you say, when there's money and contract issues, as long as it's clean, there's, and there's communication and there's transparency with what's happening, then there's no reason why he's not. Now if there's some behind the scenes that we don't know where it's bad blood or it's not like transparency going on to your franchise player, then I see him being a Steeler for sure at the start of the season. I got you, T.J. what about you, man? You asked me what you. You closer removed than I am.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I'll expand. So T.J. watt is, is an incredible hall of Fame first ballot talent and production thus far in his career. He's been undeniable. And, and the thing that I appreciate the most about tj, although I've never blocked him personally because he. He rushes the right tackle. The thing that I appreciate about TJ is not only his consistency, but he creates turnovers. So it's not the sack. He don't, he don't care about the sack. He want the sack. Fumble like he would really want the game changing play and I really appreciate.

[Mark Ingram]

But how do you feel about a DN that ain't gonna come over there and see you what you about though? And he only rushed the right in.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I don't move. You feel me? So if you want to, you want to come venture over to T State island, how do you feel?

[Mark Ingram]

No, I Know you don't move. We done left the. The cornerstone of the old line, so I'm gonna put you on the high seat. How you feel when a mug don't rush the left tackle?

[Armstead T. Stead]

Hey.

[Mark Ingram]

And he's scared kind of you feel like that.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Listen, this road. This road closed, bro. So it. It really don't matter who the driver. It don't matter who trying to get like. It don't matter. This road closed. And I. I done got got a few times, you feel me? But I'm get mine get more times.

[Mark Ingram]

Than I'mma get mine more than I get got, though. Question.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Ain't no question. So I didn't got cooked a few. I get, bro, I used to get. No lie. I used to get cooked twice a year. Bad saute. I used to get cooked two times a year, bro. Hibachi, hibachi, Hibachi, bro. It'll change. It'll change every year to be like.

[Mark Ingram]

It was never the same. Two games a year.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Two times a year.

[Mark Ingram]

Air fryer.

[Armstead T. Stead]

It is bad rotisserie slow cooking, bro. No lie. Two times a year.

[Mark Ingram]

It would be all game or it would just be like one game changer.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Play like no one, like clean sack like, and one mixtape. And I'm. I'm.

[Mark Ingram]

I mean, but how many drop backs in the season?

[Armstead T. Stead]

For sure, for sure, for sure.

[Mark Ingram]

Look, look, I'm.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I did. I did this thing at a high level for a long time. You know what I mean? As if I can say something.

[Mark Ingram]

I remember as a rookie, boy came in, Greg Hardy was out there thinking.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Yeah, see, I got them two all in one game. Them two times was one game. He cooked. He cooked. Yeah, but you.

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, but boys, though.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Nasty people.

[Mark Ingram]

You was battling, though. So, yeah, I was like, oh. I was like, hey, he gonna be one of them ones. And he was for a long time and forever.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Name somebody right quick. Name somebody that. That got the best of you and maybe meet you in a hole or you couldn't get open. Name somebody that just. You ain't never really get the best of you.

[Mark Ingram]

Cam Chancellor came downhill. Yeah, we. Hey, We. We just.

[Armstead T. Stead]

He.

[Mark Ingram]

We still made it, but I got up like, hey, I better not call no replay right now. Hey, at least give. Give. Give a brother a free release or something like that. Boy came down here, was a duo. Press 33 duo. We was out there in Seattle. Came down, ins. Bounced outside, came inside, pause, cut up, cut up the field. You know what I mean? But we both met.

[Armstead T. Stead]

It was like, Cam Chancellor, smack, bro. He was different.

[Mark Ingram]

Drew. Drew Drew. Drew went up. Drew went, hurry up. Drew went, hurry up. I'm like, well, he better throw this mug. Don't get his boy no 40 nickel right now. The nickel 40 right now.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Cam used to that. He was different, bro. Different. Cam Chancellor was different, physical, one of.

[Mark Ingram]

The man, just the enforcer, man. He was back one of them old safeties that, like, you just had to know where he was. Was he close to the line, scrimmage? Was he deep? Cause it made a difference for sure, Paul.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's a fact.

[Mark Ingram]

Damn super suspect. Good, bro.

[Armstead T. Stead]

You good? All right. I'm going say AFC north right quick. So Lamar Jackson, he's. He's very confident. He's been almost boisterous about him and his belief of the Ravens winning the championship right now. Their window is right now. During the appearance with Kevin Hart on Coldest Balls, he reiterated his desire for a championship. We're extremely close, he says. As I've been getting older in the league, my mindset is different. And the game has gotten a lot easier for me. Not only is it. Is this the time that Lamar Jackson finally get his reign and does he. Does he has to. Does he have to do it this year? Does Lamar Jackson have to win a ring this year to stamp himself, to solidify himself?

[Mark Ingram]

I don't think he has to win it this year. Like, now everyone's going to hold over his head, but I don't think he has to win it this year. He's going to be playing for a long time, so he's one of. I think he's the Goat Man. I think he's the best player in the NFL. Like, he just keeps getting better.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I feel the same way. I do.

[Mark Ingram]

And. And it's a team game, man. And when it gets to the playoffs, it's, it's. It's some turnovers here. It's the wrong mistake there. And it costs you the game, bro. Like, it costs you the game. You're going home. Like, it's no. Best of five, best of seven, playoff. No, this is elimination.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's why we play the hardest game in sports, bro, because of that right there. Single elimination, like, single game elimination.

[Mark Ingram]

And that's why it's that day. It's that day. And sometimes in the NFL, in the playoffs, that day, bruh. You know, it's just. It's a tough man. It's tough game. You ain't got the health. You have some uncharacteristic penalties. The ball don't bounce your way a couple of times, like you go home That's a fact. You don't get a game two, game three, game four, game five. So it's what it's, it's a team game. And yes, Lamar has a lot to do with how the team goes. He is what that team. They go behind Lamar, they go as Lamar goes. But I feel he's like the best player in the league, man. And I don't feel like he has to win it this year, do I? The sooner he wins it, the better because it'll keep get all these haters off his back. Yeah, but he doesn't have to win it this year, man. He's goaded, he's stamped, man. He should have been three time mvp. Josh Allen deserved the last one. But I'm like Lamar just had a year that nobody, no quarterback has had in the NFL history. You know, throwing for 4,000, rushing for whatever 800. I think he went over a thousand like so he's still doing stuff that's never been done. He, he, so he's the greatest bro, man. He just needs to get that championship.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Do you think they start to give him that, that LeBron treatment when it comes to postseason accolades like LeBron was putting up 28, nine and nine every year. But somebody else will win MVP. Somebody else will win year.

[Mark Ingram]

LeBron eventually got his in three, four of them.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Right. I mean you can arguably say LeBron can have 12 though, you know what I mean? If we, if we being honest. So do you think Lamar have to.

[Mark Ingram]

Some of them teams that he had was mediocre, Some of them early teams that he had was mediocre. That was mid like, you know what I mean?

[Armstead T. Stead]

No, for sure. So for sure.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Armstead T. Stead]

So I feel like Lamar could run into LeBron.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm talking about LeBron, talking about LeBron. You know what I mean? But even, you know now they got more pieces around Lamar, so I feel.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Like he could run into that part of, of the, the recognition.

[Mark Ingram]

Yes, man. It's a ring culture. Yeah, you know, cause ring culture last.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Year he had not taken away anything Josh Allen did. He was incredible. He was MVP. But Lamar Jackson had 41 touchdowns, four interceptions. The se. Like the season was just unheard of, you know what I mean? That's an mvp. That's an MVP year.

[Mark Ingram]

So he should have been three time mvp, let's be honest. But shout out to Josh Allen for what he did. I respect Josh Allen, he's a baller the Bills. But Ella Marshall been had the MVVP for the third time last year. Back to back, by the way.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Not great. Let's not just brush up.

[Mark Ingram]

Whatever, man. I'm. Yeah, I know, I know. Hey, so. So yeah. You play Dolphins, Bills, Dolphins, Patriots, Saints, Falcons. I'm taking it back. Who do you got in those rivalries? What's the, what's the most nastiest rivalry? I'm taking it back.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I'll say Saints, Falcons. For me, especially being in New Orleans for so long, I had more experience with that robbery. And as you just said, it was Dolphins, Bills, Dolphins, Patriots. So it's like they had two robberies that got a lot of history, a lot of bad blood. But the Saints got this one lone op.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Dirty Bird. And it's a op, Clear as day. And I, bro, when I came in the league 2013, like, I didn't know that was a thing. Honestly. Like, I'm from Southern Illinois. I wasn't in the south, so I didn't know that. Saints, Falcons robbery was. Was what it was like.

[Mark Ingram]

That was like that.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Soon adopt like, I hate them folks, bro. Hate them.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I just like that.

[Mark Ingram]

Yes. At all. Don't like them folks.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Hate them folks. And it's not for nothing else, but I was, I was the same. Like, I don't like y' all.

[Mark Ingram]

Straight up.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I don't know what y' all did wrong, but.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah, played. Yeah. Played there, what, 10 years. Nine years.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I was there for nine years.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah. So I was there. Shoot. Basically 10. Like it's ingrained in you. It's ingrained in you at that point.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's a fact.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah. I just had to ask. I had to run that back.

[Armstead T. Stead]

You got it. Let me ask you about another.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah. LJ should have been a three time MVP for sure.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Let me ask you about another quarterback. Dual threat Buddha Baker says Kyler Murray is the NFL's most underrated quarterback. He told Mina Combs, we haven't had a lot of national games. People kind of see him as a shirt guy, but this guy can make all the throws inside the pocket, outside the pocket. He's quick. You see it on tape. He's outrunning everybody all the time. Even like the 49ers game where in San Fran, he points out to the touchdown 40, 50 yards away, knowing he was going to score. I haven't seen a quarterback do that. It's definitely exciting. It's cool to just lay under the weeds and have him, have him be the most underrated guy and just kind of show who he is this year and throughout the season. Is Kyler the most underrated quarterback in the League.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm not opposed to that, that comment. I think Kyler Murray is very skilled, like in his game, especially in today's NFL, man. He's electric with the ball in his hands. He can throw the ball, he runs that rpo and he runs the whole offense, man. He's a good player, man. And when he's playing well, man, that team, you gotta have a cue, you gotta have a kid. And I feel like Kyler Murray is a. Is one of those guys that can make a difference. And yeah, he, whatever, I don't care. He's short, whatever they say. Like, he. He's a baller dog, you know what I mean? So he makes plays, he does off schedule plays, he runs the ball, he throws the ball. They got him some weapons. So, you know, I think Kyler Murray is, is. I like Kyler Murray, man. I'm a fan of Kyler Murray and.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I'm real particular when we're discussing players and we call somebody good, really good, great. And you know what I mean, we start to use those.

[Mark Ingram]

You can't say great. You can't say great with that.

[Armstead T. Stead]

And you referred to Kyler as good right now, which I think he's a good quarterback. I really do. I think he can do everything.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm very respectful of players too. I'm a player, so I'm a player, man. I'm very respectful of players. Especially, you know, you see him work and, and overcome adversity. He's had some tough injuries.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Hard to do, playing it simple. Yeah, bro, this is hard to do.

[Mark Ingram]

And you out there with the Rams and the Niners in that nfc, with that west, whatever. Yeah, the west, that's like the Rams, Niners, like, shoot, man, AZ wasn't worth nothing with no quarterback for a while.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's a fact.

[Mark Ingram]

Like, who's. Kurt Warner was the last one to take him. Like, I don't know.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's. How can, how can or can Kyler Murray go from good to really good or good to great this year? Like, how can he do that? What do you need to do?

[Mark Ingram]

Win.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's what it comes down to.

[Mark Ingram]

You gotta win.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's what it come down to.

[Mark Ingram]

You gotta win. The quarterback stat. Like, they just don't give you the love or appreciation you deserve unless you win. You can put up the numbers. You have to win. And so you have to win out there in a division that has, you know, the Niners who aren't what they were two years ago, you know, and then you got the Rams who are making moves, you Got the Seahawks, you know, they're, they're used to being, you know, contended for the division, so. You gotta win, bro. It's just. That's the bottom line as a quarterback, especially one where they're saying you're underrated or you don't get the love you deserve. You gotta win.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's a fact.

[Mark Ingram]

I think that's what he could do. He gotta win.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's what it, that's what it comes down to every time it does. And I've seen, I've seen color Murray. I'm a fan of his game. I've seen his improvement over the years. I do want to see a bigger jump, though. I do want to see.

[Mark Ingram]

It's time. What year? Seven now.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Damn. Is it?

[Mark Ingram]

You're seven, eight, something like that. He's definitely veteran now. He's got a second call back, man. Let's see right now.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's crazy.

[Mark Ingram]

Let's see right now.

[Armstead T. Stead]

We play Arizona in, in Miami this year, and it was two or first game back and we was super excited. Offensively, we played solid. We scored more points than we had did the previous several weeks. But Kyler Murray beat us like fourth quarter, last two possessions. Kyler Murray beat us.

[Mark Ingram]

He's in the seventh season.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Damn. I ain't know Kyler been in the league that long.

[Mark Ingram]

Telling you, dog. So he has to take the stand. You're a veteran quarterback. You got a second deal. You got Marvin Harrison Jr. And other Buddha Baker. You got, you got players. You know what I mean? But it's a team game too. It's a team game. Gotta stay healthy, gotta win games. Like, I think that's been a problem with Kyler. He's had some injuries, man, uh, you know, and hasn't won enough games, quite frankly.

[Armstead T. Stead]

No, that's a fact. That's a fact. I think this year you asked me.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm a Kyler Murray fan. You asked me what he has to do to take the next step.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's what I want to know.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm talking to you as, as one of these people out here who are saying Kyler Murray doesn't win enough games. And that's why he's underrated like Buddha Baker says, or he doesn't get the respect he deserves.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Right. We, we both talked about these fan bases that we hate. I hate the Falcons fans, I hate the Buffalo Bills fans. You hate the Steelers fans, FAL fans, Jared Verse recently.

[Mark Ingram]

There's other fans too.

[Armstead T. Stead]

I'm sure. I'm sure the, the Rams outstanding rookie they had last Year Jared Verse.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah. You showed him some love. You said he was one of them ones, huh?

[Armstead T. Stead]

He different, bro. He different. I have no problem saying that. The boy is he gonna be a problem for many years. He can stay healthy, bro. Yeah, he wanted them on different. Yeah, I could. I could spot. I can spot them. You feel me? Want somebody that's different. And I'mma show love every time you.

[Mark Ingram]

For real, real ones do. You can't. You can't hate to play. You know what I mean? You can't hate to play, hate the game, right? So.

[Armstead T. Stead]

But he said that how much he hates Eagles fans. What he calling the best opposing fan base to go against. Who's a. Who's a fan base that you hate, but you also love to go to that stadium. Like, that really is just a great place to play it get you going. You. You ready to run all over.

[Mark Ingram]

I love playing in the way games, dog. I love when they loud and I love when I break a run and run one of they butt over and I'm flexing and they just go quiet. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, nah, we still here. And you do it for both quarters. Ain't nothing like them away games, bro. But I mean, Kansas City is a place where it's tough to play, man. In my time, Seattle, I hate Minnesota. Like, obviously that runs real bad blood. I hate Minnesota. But it's a good place with a. In Philly. They nasty in Philly, man. They. They nasty in Philly, but it's a good place to shut them up too. And we did that too in Philly before, you feel me? So, yeah, man. And then, yeah, those are some. Those are some teams that come to the front of my mind.

[Armstead T. Stead]

For me, it's Buffalo.

[Mark Ingram]

I hate the Buffalo. Buffalo. We shut them up big up there. But they. They got me one time up there too, when I played for Houston, but I went for about a buck something. And three tuddies up there in Buffalo jumping in, they stand.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Yeah. You feel me? Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

So no, they pouring wing sauce on you? Beer for sure. I got photos. Beer for show. Got photo. Fire photo too.

[Armstead T. Stead]

No Buffalo Bills, though. I hate them. Like, I hate the fans, the team. They're good too, so that may not always make it worse. Like the team is actually really good, so it's hard to beat. So in my time in Miami, I didn't beat Buffalo in Buffalo. Didn't get one of those. Lost to them in the playoffs. Close game. But that environment they got up there is real football. Like it's lit they got the little song playing.

[Mark Ingram]

I played up there. Yeah, with the Ravens. I played up there with the Ravens. Got away with a close dub, bro, Buffalo is a legit place to play ball, too, man. They go crazy up there for sure. Sure, I respect Buffalo.

[Armstead T. Stead]

But before I get you up out of here, Deuce. Deuce. I just got one or two more for you. So you. You know how you just said you respect players? I respect players. I'm never going to be one of them guys that just be taking shots at players. We gonna talk football. Let's talk football. But recently said Terrell Owens called Debo Samuels fat. He said he two chicken nuggets away from tipping the scale. What's your response? How do you feel about that? What you think about the old heads when they come back and talk about the players?

[Mark Ingram]

Oh, man, I'll tell you, man, I just. I'm not one of them ones that just do that. But I mean, to. How to feel, man. He's always been outspoken, man. I mean, I'm just not one to, you know, take shots at somebody when. Oh, God. I ain't got no reason to. You feel me?

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's all it is.

[Mark Ingram]

I'm just more chill, bro. I'm just more chill, man. And I'm not out here to try to get clicks or anything like that, man. I respect people and I show people love, and I hope people do the same in return. I call it how it is and what I see, but I'm not out here just to attack people.

[Armstead T. Stead]

You're speaking on a game. You're speaking on the game. You're not talking about people. Physical appearance or.

[Mark Ingram]

I mean. Yeah, I mean, he. Debo is stout. He. He be running folks over, man. But. Yeah, shoot. Yeah, but whatever. Yeah, whatever.

[Armstead T. Stead]

That's different, bro. That's different.

[Mark Ingram]

What you feel about it? Yeah, what you feel?

[Armstead T. Stead]

I like it, bro. I'll be against the. You know, when the retired player. Even the legends, like, when we talking about a player, bro. Let's focus on the game. Let's focus on the technique, whatever. Don't just be throwing shots at a player for no reason, bro.

[Mark Ingram]

I'll just be chilling, man. I ain't with all.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Yeah, he was getting a lot of that. A lot of shots being thrown at him. He told them, folks, hey, we get screwed, we get scrappy. I'm from Hawaii, bro. I'm from Hawaii. Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

People think it's sweet. They should be talking out the side of their neck. For real.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

And like. Yeah, like, you really can get beat up in real life.

[Armstead T. Stead]

So we get scrappy.

[Mark Ingram]

Ooze on me. I was, bro. People be talking crazy.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Yeah.

[Mark Ingram]

People be thinking, that shit's sweet. It's really sour.

[Armstead T. Stead]

It's really on everything, man.

[Mark Ingram]

Oh, me. So if people get folks to get.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Beat up in real life, we ain't got to take it there. We ain't got to take it there. All right, last one I got for you dudes.

[Mark Ingram]

We.

[Armstead T. Stead]

We talked about. It's a quarterback league. You got the young boy down in New Orleans. Draft the second round. Tyler Schulz. Shock Tyler Schulz. Are you confident in him taking a starting job, or you think Spencer Rattler will be able to hold him off, or how you feel that he'll be able to do in his rookie campaign if Tyler was able to take the starting job week one?

[Mark Ingram]

I don't know. Stat. I don't know.

[Armstead T. Stead]

You studied at college game on college game day every week.

[Mark Ingram]

Big noon.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Big noon.

[Mark Ingram]

Game day. Is the odds.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Big my fault. My fault. Big noon every week. Locked in.

[Mark Ingram]

You said not to us. But that's like the competitor, though.

[Armstead T. Stead]

And what we do, that's on me. Scratch that. Let's take that out. I know we lie, but you're good.

[Mark Ingram]

You good.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Big. No, no, you good.

[Mark Ingram]

People make people. People make people make the mistakes.

[Armstead T. Stead]

So for sure. But I know you're watching these college players closely. That's why. That's why. That's why I asked.

[Mark Ingram]

Yeah. I really don't know too much about Tyler in Louisville. I know that he has. He's tall and got that nice quarterback frame. Got a big arm. Supposedly very cerebral with the game. And so obviously, if you. And he's played a while, I think he's a little bit older for the quarterbacks. You've seen a lot of the older quarterbacks come in and kind of be successful because they've had reps, they've had experience. So, you know, I'm rooting for the kid, man. I hear he has intangibles from inside the building. I hear good things from him, obviously. I hear good things about sprinting Rattler, too. I feel like he didn't get a. Spencer Rattler didn't really get a great shot last year because when he was getting the snaps, it was against the offensive line who was injured. Most of his receivers were injured. Shoot, even Alvin was injured a little bit. So I never thought he really got a fair shade as far as the look that he got last year when he was taking the snaps as the number one guy. But obviously, I Know those two guys are competing, you know, in this training camp and shooting. We'll see what they do, man, you know, because Spencer is. Was a rookie last year. So you got Spencer, you got Tyler, who's a rookie now that you spent the second round pick on. It's going to be an interesting decision to see who wins that quarterback job, you know, and so we'll see, man, who that, baby?

[Armstead T. Stead]

Who that for life? Who that for life? Yes, it's interesting to see Tyler. I know they, they have been loud about how. How talented he is, how much he's come in and, you know, trying to take command of the offense, commanding the huddles, trying to dictate things at the line. That's impressive. I'm with you, Spencer. Rattler didn't get a fair chance. Didn't get to get to see what. What he actually has to bring to the table. So it'd be interesting down there in training camp with the, with the Saints, man.

[Mark Ingram]

You know, you gotta compete, man. You gotta win the job, man. As grown men watching this, you kind of know what quarterback has, what quarterback doesn't, and decisions you make, you know, so we, we've been, you know, we've been fortunate enough to not have to, you know, see quarterback battles, like, for real, you know, Drew Breezy, you know, you. You was with Tua like I was with L. Jack, you know, Lamar Freaky. You fear me, but you, yeah, you know what it's supposed to look like, man, you know, And I'm sure they're gonna pick the right guy.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Boys ain't doing that training camp in New Orleans, says, too hot. They going out to Cali. They're going to California, boy.

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, a smart decision, too.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Hottest place in the world. Oh, New Orleans is hotter than Dubai.

[Mark Ingram]

The end of July, that August, that September, boy, that thing be ugly. They.

[Armstead T. Stead]

They.

[Mark Ingram]

They got the nerve to say heat advisory. Fans be hydrated and be careful. They don't tell us no heat advisory shoe. It'll be like, all right out there, live goal line, let's get it.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Fans out there passing out, trying to see 907, bruh.

[Mark Ingram]

We're selling beers. I'm like, oh, they. They really going crazy.

[Armstead T. Stead]

9Am they out there selling broods beers, dog.

[Mark Ingram]

They out there turning, yeah, man, who that nation is? Who that nation is like that, man, who that nation is like that, man.

[Armstead T. Stead]

For sure, y' all are. Y' all some crazy people.

[Mark Ingram]

Love them.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Deuce, Deuce. I'm gonna let you get up out of here, my good brother. We appreciate you Jumping on nightcap in the absence of Uncle Shay Shay and big dog. Ocho Cinco, man, what an honor, man.

[Mark Ingram]

To, you know, be able to, you know, just get on here and vibe, you know, on Uncle Shay on the nightcap. Ocho, everyone behind, you know, this, this production, man, it's an honor. It's a privilege to be on here tonight, vibing with my brother from another man. I'm just thankful, appreciative, always honored to be able to spend time with good people, man. So anytime. I'm just honored and thankful. So anybody that tuned in, man, we appreciate y' all. Spread love, sp positivity and let's keep it pushing, dog.

[Armstead T. Stead]

Appreciate you. Love you, brother.

[Mark Ingram]

Hey, I love you too. Family.

[Armstead T. Stead]

My close brother right there. Mark Ingram signing off Night cap here. Takeover Week two. T stead filling in, hosting on nightcap, filling in for unc, Shannon Sharp, Ocho Cinco, ISO Joe. I saw Joe Johnson had an unfortunate injury plan. I believe in big three recently, which is why he's absent for the night. So thoughts and prayers with ISO Joe that is nothing serious that the legend is able to recover real soon, man. We'll keep talking some football though, man. It's a lot of. A lot of news going on. It's usually a really quiet time throughout the off season when we sit here and not much going on. NBA Finals just finished. Shout out to okc and this window is just baseball on. Hockey's over. WNBA still going. I'm definitely locked into the wnba. They are balling ball. And I went to the New York Liberty game recently. I went to the New York Liberty game last week before fanatics fest. And I will honestly say I've been in the NFL for 12 years. I can honestly say that is a top three game experience. Out of all sports, all games. New York Liberty home game. It's a top three game experience. A lot of you not. It was insane, insane. A lot of you not definitely pushing that, pushing the wnba. But back to the NFL. This trade that happened today has really awakened us sports fans, awakened us football fans as we anticipate to start a training camp. I've had the privilege of being in Miami for the last three years. So I was getting on the plane when I heard the news and I got the news that they traded Jalen Ramsey and John O. Smith to the Steelers in return for Mika Fitzpatrick in the fifth round pick. And crazy enough, I get a call from Chris Greer. So Chris Greer is the GM of the Miami Dolphins. And I get on the phone with Chris and he's talking about kind of everything else. He's asking about how my twin daughters do in the basketball tournament. He's asking about the next time I'm back in the neighborhood. Just, you know, and I'm like, Chris, three hours ago you just made this blockbuster trade. Like we've been on the phone four minutes, you haven't. Come on, let's get to it. So I'm talking to, I'm talking to Chris and I'm asking him how you feel about it, how you feel about the trade. And Chris Greer he's, he spoke on the situation at hand. So you've got your all world corner who's upset and he wants to be elsewhere. And we've seen historically through this situation, the other 31 teams know your situation. They know you're like in a back, back against the wall type situation because this player doesn't want to play for you. So you don't want to hold somebody in the building that's going to bring the bad, bring bad energy or negative vibe or g know somebody that don't want to play. So other teams know, all right, I don't have to give up X, Y and Z to get this guy because he, he wants to leave anyway. So they have to make a move. So teams usually they wait that out. They wait that situation out. So for Chris to be able to pair Jalen Ramsey that you're going to lose and all world talent that you're going to lose for almost nothing, he's able to pair Jalen Ramsey with the phenomenal John Lu Smith who just had a career year, first time Pro bowl, was the most consistent, was the offensive MVP of the season for the Miami Dolphins. If we're being completely honest. No question he was the mvp. You pair him and Jalen Ramsey who you're going to lose anyway together and you bring back in the all world safety and a 5th round pick. I think in worst case scenarios or best case scenario, that's, that's, that's the, that's a win. That's a win. That's what I said.

[Mark Ingram]

The Steelers came up the volume. This is an I heart podcast.