Nightcap Hour 1: Texans EXPOSE Patrick Mahomes & the Chiefs + Unc & Ocho UNLEASH on Kevin Stefanski’s COACHING DECISIONS + Ravens get SMACKED by Steelers + Bengals’ season is COOKED

Summary

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Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 (Dec 8, 2025)

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-host: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Theme: Dissecting Week 14 NFL Action—Texans Stun Chiefs, Browns’ Coaching Blunders, Ravens’ Controversy, Bengals’ Troubles

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Episode Overview

This episode sees Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson analyze a wild slate of NFL games in Week 14, headlined by the Houston Texans exposing Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, Kevin Stefanski’s questionable coaching with the Browns, the Ravens falling to the Steelers in controversial fashion, and tough outlooks for the Bengals. The duo take deep dives into coaching decisions, player performances, and organizational dysfunction, blending sharp analysis with irreverent, no-nonsense banter.

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Key Segment Breakdown & Insights

Texans Upset Chiefs: Mahomes & KC Exposed

[04:20–19:40]

• Game Recap: Texans beat the Chiefs 20-10 in Arrowhead, moving to 8-5. Chiefs drop to 6-7, putting playoff hopes in "bleak" territory ([04:20]).
• Mahomes’ Struggles:
  • 14/33, 160 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT, sacked twice; forced to be leading rusher with 59 yards ([04:20]).
  • Receivers plagued by drops: Tyquan Thornton (TD drop), Travis Kelce (two dropped passes on final drive), Rashee Rice (critical drop after big hit) ([04:20]).
• Houston’s Defense:
  • Relentless pass rush forced Mahomes off his spot, created turnovers, dominated the back end after Chiefs’ starter Trent McDuffie left injured ([07:30],[09:22]).
• Texans "Ascending," Chiefs "Descending":
  • Ocho: “They just don’t look the same… everyone is healthy now, and they let Patrick Mahomes down.” ([07:30])
  • Shannon: “The next man up need to be making the equivalent of the guy that he’s replacing… There’s a reason why he was down to begin with.” ([10:03])
• Coaching Misfire:
  • Shannon disagrees with Andy Reid’s decision to go for it on fourth down instead of punting late in a tie game ([11:07],[12:18]).

    “Points are at a premium at this point in time… Let’s force them to make a mistake. Let’s not give them a gift… that was really the difference in the ball game.” —Shannon ([11:07])

• Chiefs’ Running Game Woes:
  • Pacheco and Kareem Hunt described as "three yards and a cloud of dust" guys, lack of game-breaking back ([13:43]).
  • Both hosts suggest they should have pursued a dynamic RB—Devon Achane, Breece Hall, or someone like prime Jamaal Charles ([13:36],[16:22]).
• Offensive Line Injuries:
  • Chiefs down to 3rd-string, undrafted tackle—no "next man up" magic ([10:03],[15:47]).
• Outlook: Houston now controls their destiny, three of final four games at home, poised to chase the Jaguars ([19:40]).

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Shador Sanders Shines but Browns’ Stefanski Baffling

[26:00–54:59]

• Shador’s Historic Start:
  • 1st Browns QB since 1950 with 300+ passing yards, 3 passing TDs & a rushing TD ([26:08]).
  • 364 yards, 4 total TDs, joins group with Joe Burrow, C.J. Stroud, Matt Stafford as rookie to do so ([26:08],[49:35]).
• Coaching Meltdown: Stefanski’s playcalling under fire:
  • Going for 2, Early: Down 14, scores TD, goes for two instead of PAT, fails ([26:45],[27:22]).
  • Wildcat Disaster: Late in game, removes red-hot Shador from field for a Wildcat two-point attempt. Fails again.

    “This is not college. The Wildcat is not going to work. This is not 2007. Ronnie Brown ain’t back there.” —Chad ([28:51])

  • Sabotage & Conspiracy?
    • Hosts seriously suggest top brass is undermining Shador because he wasn't their pick ([34:04],[46:36]).
    • Shannon: “I don’t want to use the word sabotage, but I will say I’m trying to understand your rationale...” ([38:59])
• Reception to Shador’s Play:
  • Both hosts effusive—extremely impressed with Shador and his chemistry with Fanning Jr. and Jerry Jeudy ([30:04],[30:33]), believe Browns would be in a better place had Shador started earlier ([28:44]).

    “He was special today… Sometimes it takes somebody believing in you.” —Shannon ([54:28])

• Front Office Dysfunction:
  • Citing GM’s public comment “he was not my pick” as signal for ongoing internal sabotage ([46:36]).
  • Ocho: “There's a reason why you didn't want him to start—because you understood if he got in there with ample time, with the right reps, this is what you get.” ([47:42])
• Playcall Defense from Stefanski:
  • Dodges questions in pressers, “I'm responsible for all of it… it’s a two-point play… didn’t come through” ([36:30]).
    • Shannon (mocking): “They need a DOJ, Department of Justice investigation… What the hell is Stefanski doing?” ([34:32])
• Locker Room Frustration:
  • Both hosts say even defensive stars like Myles Garrett must be “pissed”—the offense finally bails them out, then coaching costs them the game ([42:38]).
  • Ocho: “They got to be pissed, but they can't say nothing… they know what's going on, because if I can see it, and I'm all the way down in Miami, a thousand something miles away…” ([44:05])

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Ravens vs. Steelers: Ref Controversy, Frustrations Boil

[59:22–79:49]

• Likely’s Overturned TD:
  • Isaiah Likely “catches” late go-ahead TD, but review rules it incomplete due to lost control on “third step” ([59:22],[60:10]).
  • D-Hop tweets: “NFL and app fishing 13 years in this league. How many steps do you need in the end zone for a touchdown?”
  • Ocho and Shannon clarify rule: Must have “football move”—Likely had ball punched out on third step ([60:10])
• Player Execution Critique:
  • Shannon: “You don't get style points. …He was doing this (gestures), all he had to do was secure it” ([61:11]).
• Lamar’s Rattled:
  • Missed throws to Zay Flowers, Bateman; “Lamar’s not throwing the football well… He's just not.” ([62:47])
  • Offensive line singled out—Daniel Faalele in particular (“77—filet, fish filet!” [64:08]), constant liability.
• Sideline Blows Up:
  • Lamar Jackson reportedly has “heated interaction” with Faalele after disastrous series.

    “If I’m Lamar. No, we not [gonna be alright]. This man gonna get me killed!” —Shannon ([68:43],[68:55])

• Accountability & Professionalism:
  • Faalele avoids reporters postgame; Shannon says NFL pros must “stand and face the tough questions” in defeat.

    “It’s okay to have a bad game, but don’t run. If y’all rushed for 300 I guarantee you, you would’ve talked. So you got to talk in defeat, just like you would in victory. That’s what makes us pros.” —Shannon ([77:17])

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Steelers, Tomlin & Coaching Futures

[79:57–83:49]

• Steelers Beat Ravens:
  • Is Mike Tomlin safe? Ocho: Once rumors start, “it comes from inside… I don’t think there's anything they can do collectively… it's in his hands to step away.” ([80:08])
  • Shannon: Winning the division/playoff spot could save his job, but “they haven’t won a playoff game in a decade.” ([81:18],[81:34])
• QB Succession Lessons:
  • Ocho: Steelers hamstrung by not drafting a Ben Roethlisberger successor early ([82:31]).
  • Shannon: Compares to Packers’ success by not fearing to upset Favre/Rodgers; “You cannot wait to the bridge collapses… you gotta start trying to repair it.” ([83:22])

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Chiefs’ Woes:

  “There’s a reason why old people move to Florida in Arizona.” —Shannon (on aging Travis Kelce, [09:10])

• On Browns’ Playcalling:

  “The Wildcat is not going to work. This is not 2007. Ronnie Brown ain’t back there.” —Chad ([28:51])

• On Coaching Sabotage:

  “I don’t want to use the word sabotage, but I will say I’m trying to understand your rationale and your thought process.” —Shannon ([38:59])

• On Accountability:

  “It’s okay to have a bad game, but don’t run. … That’s what makes us pros. We don’t hide. We don’t run.” —Shannon ([77:17])

• On NFL Locker Room Reality:

  “We know who can play and who can’t play. … I don’t care what coach does; I know if you can play or not.” —Shannon ([44:10])

• On Faalele’s O-line Struggles:

  “You can’t be big and sorry. … He both. He big and sorry for no reason.” —Shannon ([66:15])

• On Shador Sanders:

  “He needs somebody that believes in him. … Sometimes it takes somebody believing in you too, Ocho. That’s going to put you in the best situations. Keep your head up, Shador. You played your ass off today.” —Shannon ([54:28])

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [04:20] Texans upset Chiefs—Mahomes picked apart
• [07:30] Ocho on Texans’ defensive performance, Chiefs’ offensive woes
• [10:03] Mahomes’ lack of support, offensive line depth issues, “next man up” myth
• [11:07] Andy Reid’s critical coaching error
• [13:36] Chiefs' running back dilemma, potential RB trade targets
• [19:40] Texans’ playoff path
• [26:00] Shador Sanders’ historic Browns performance
• [28:44–34:32] Stefanski’s 2-point miscues, Wildcat fiasco, suspicion of organizational sabotage
• [42:38] Locker room reaction, Browns defense and offensive frustration
• [49:35] Shador vs. Titans compared to other QBs, rookie stats
• [59:22] Ravens-Steelers controversy: Isaiah Likely’s overturned TD
• [62:47] Lamar Jackson’s struggles and left guard woes (“big and sorry” riff)
• [68:43] Lamar-Faalele sideline argument
• [77:17] Shannon’s lesson on pro accountability
• [80:08] Mike Tomlin Steelers job–what the future holds

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Tone, Style & Banter

• Authentic, witty, and unsparing—Hosts blend statistical insight with humor and candid "locker-room" wisdom.
• Unapologetically passionate: Frequent jokes, “Unk” banter, and tongue-in-cheek analogies (“big and sorry”, “Wildcat is not going to work—this is not 2007”) keep it lively.
• Strong stance on accountability—whether it’s players facing the press, or coaches being transparent with their decisions.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a master class in bottom-line football analysis, full of fire, football IQ, and locker-room authenticity. Shannon and Ocho walk you through critical games of the week, pull no punches when critiquing coaches, highlight overlooked stars (like Shador Sanders), and remind us that leadership, belief, and brutal honesty still matter in today’s NFL. If you want to hear what NFL insiders really think—and say— about Sunday’s drama, this is your show.

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Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap as you watch the Houston Texans move to 8 and 5 thanks to a 2010 victory over the Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs fall to six and seven and their run of winning the division, that's out of the window. But just making the playoffs, that got bleak tonight with this 20 to 10 loss at home to the Houston Texans. Oo we're going to get into that. Just a second. I do not agree with that call that Andy Reid made. Going for it. When points are at a premium, you don't leave a team in field goal range. They don't have to get a first down. They can get a field goal out of that. But they scored a touchdown. I am your favorite un Shannon Sharp. That is my partner and co host, the Liberty City legend Bingles Ring of Fame honoree. A former Pro Bowler and an All Pro. He's Chad Oo Cinco Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us a favor. Go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We would like to thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support. None of this is possible without you. None of the awards, none of the adulation, none of the praise, none of our almost 2 million subs. None of this is possible without you. And Ocho and I and all the Nightcap family would like to thank you sincerely from the bottom of our hearts. Thank you for your support and your continued support. Now if you want to purchase a bottle of Shea by La Portier and it's not currently in a state or city near you, head over to laportiercognac.com to order you a bottle or two and it will get shipped directly to your door. It is a premium VSOP Cognac, the best tasting premium VSOP cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it though. Try it and compare it against other cognacs and I'm sure you'll be convinced it is the smoothest, best, best tasting cognac you've ever had. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Check out my media company page on all of its platforms. That's Shay Shay Media and my clothing company 84 with 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat the Houston Texans beat the Kansas City Chiefs by the score of 20 to 10. Patrick Mahomes threw three interceptions as Kansas City playoffs hopes continue to fade. He was 14 of 33 under 50% completion, only 160 yards, no touchdowns, three interceptions, was sacked twice. He didn't get much help from his receiving core. Tyquan Thornton dropped the touchdown. Travis Kelsey dropped two plays on that final drive. Oo and then one of them got picked. Yeah, Rasheed Rice dropped a huge fourth down. He got little Petri. I think. I think that that thing kind of jarred him a little bit. I don't think he was all the way back, Ocho. Cause Petrie dropped the boom on him. He did. He dropped the boom on him. He was totally relaxed. But the Texans did an unbelievable job. They got after the quarterback tonight and they forced him to shut down the I mean they had 20 but Mahomes with the leading rusher with seven carries for 59 yards. But you're watching this game and you see the Houston Texans and what they were able to do. They go into Arrowhead, they get this victory. Stay attached to the the Jacksonville Jaguars who leave that division. Yes, they needed this victory in order to try to gain some footing, get into the playoff hunt and potentially chase down the Jags. But what did you like about what you saw from the Houston Texans?

[Chad Johnson]

Listen The Texans got it done. What I didn't like, obviously they didn't make enough adjustments for me, especially offensively. Once Trent McDuffie went out, you. You knew that. That Spagnola had to bring pressure. Now with them bringing pressure, I got tired of seeing C.J. stroud run for his life and they make no adjustments offensively, obviously. I would think if, you know, they're blitzing every time, stop running plays where the plays take long to develop. Just go quick game. If anything, do do things, you know, misdirection, get, you know, get them. Get them going one way and come back the opposite way with some. Something, something else. But just seeing CJ Stroud run for his life. But they were able to make some plays even with that pressure, and they. The. The back end was exposed. Obviously that's going to happen once, Once you do blitz. And outside of that, the defense. The defense won that game. The, the defense for the Houston Texans won that game for them. I'm not sure what's wrong with the Kansas City Chiefs. They lost, what, five of the. Wait, four of the last fives or something like that. They just don't look the same. Obviously they have a great run. They've had a great run. And probably even though they have 15, who probably is arguably one of the greatest, if not maybe the second greatest quarterback of all time, this year just hasn't been it for them at all. Everyone is healthy now offensively. Everyone is healthy now offensively. And they let. They let Patrick Mahomes down. Rasheed Rice, Hollywood Brown, he made some plays. Kelsey, he. He. He looks almost like a shell of himself. Damn near.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He didn't play well. It's cold. Oo when you get, you know, hey, when you old, it. It's cold. Oo man, you.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, nah, hey, that ain't. That ain't no excuse, you know that. You have to adapt to the elements. You got to adapt to the elements.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you adapt to getting old.

There's a reason why old people move to Florida in Arizona.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, hold on. We've been catching footballs all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We ain't been 36 all our life. We've been 37 all our life. We've been 40 all our life.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, listen to me. Listen to me real quick. All you need is your eyes and your hands. That's all it come down to. You could be 60 years old. Your eyes and your hands, that don't never fail you, regardless of how old you get. But the Houston Texans, that goddamn defense, boy, they can get after the quarterback.

They Got the back end. The back end, man. Boy, played very well. They played very well. So I'm glad. I'm glad to see the Texans win. They've won the last four, their last five games, so it seems like they're ascending right now while the Kansas City Chiefs are descending.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They are. Like I said, Taekwond Thornton had a touchdown. His hands. He dropped that. Great play by. Great, great play to not give up by Lassiter to continue fight all the way through. The catch.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rasheed Rice had a couple of drops. Travis had a couple of drops. We know that. The offensive line is beat to hell. The left tackle comes in and he gets out. Now you're going against. You going with an undrafted left tackle against Danielle Hunter and Will Anderson Jr. That's not a recipe for success, but I thought he played really, really well tonight. The offensive line is not, you know, the best. I mean, think about it. You're starting left tackle is out. Your backup left tackle is out. You, you're starting all Pro right guard. He's out. You're starting right tackle, he's out. So think about it. You're down. You're probably. You're down to your backups. To your backups. And at some point in time, you keep saying, next man, next man up. Next man up. Well, the next man up need to be making the equivalent of the guy that he's replacing. Because if you say, I got a guy that's making 15 million and then you bring a guy in 400,000, there's a reason why one guy's making 15 million. Ocho. There's a reason why one guy's Making 400,000. So we've got, you know, this notion. Oh, man. Next man up. Next man up. There's a reason why he was down to begin with.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I disagree with the call that Andy made because points are the premium at this point in time. The score is 10 10. We're late in the ball game. Oo. I won't punt the ball because at that point in time, the Texans hadn't done anything in the second half. I think they might have. Might have had 50 yards in the second half. The longest time they were negative yards. Kansas City's defense and honed in spags had done a great job of dialing it up, stopping to run on first down, getting after C.J. stroud, getting him off his mark in that situation. I disagree with Andy, and I don't like to disagree with Andy because I think he's one hell of a coach and his Resume speaks for itself. But in a game like this, where points are at a premium. I don't want to do it if. If they do nothing offensively, they're in field goal range. Yeah, I. I can't make that call, Ocho. I gotta put this ball away. I understand. I got Patrick Mahomes and I understand he wants to go up. Go for it. Go for. Every quarterback's gonna want to go. Helly. He gonna want to go for it on 4th and 10, 4th and 12. Right. But sometimes you got to use your better part. You got to use your judgment. And like, you know what? Let's punt this ball. Let's make. Let's force them to make a mistake. Let's not give them a gift. And I felt that's what they did, and that was really the difference in the ball game.

But like I said, these guys, I mean, Mahomes were a little off. I mean, he had great. That's a hard play to defend. And you and I talked about it with a running back. You see Marks? He caught a touchdown.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He pretended like he was going block. He slip out. CJ Flips it to him because that's the guy that has a man. Well, he's coming on a blitz. I ain't standing to block him. I'm just going to slip him and get to the flats. You see the guys. A lot of times those tight ends will be on the line. They helping, helping. Everybody's sinking now. They drift out. The only thing I would tell. No, great, keep it up the field. Why are you going to get a headache? Did you see that linebacker drifting that way? Now, my home's through a terrible pass. I would prefer you leak up the field and give yourself some room so you don't run into that headache that's in the. That middle linebacker that's waiting on you. But. Right. To make a long story short. And I know I went. I made a short story long. The Chiefs aren't getting very good this year.

[Chad Johnson]

No, absolutely not. Hey. And honestly, un. Mahomes, he was 14 for 33. He had three interceptions. He only threw for 160 tonight. Xavier Worthy had 355. If I'm not mistaken, he might have been their leading receiver. The fact that Patrick Mahomes was the leading rusher, you're not. That's not going to win you many games. That's not going to win you many games. You have to have some type of balance. They were one dimensional tonight for the simple fact that they couldn't run the ball. They haven't been able to run the ball all season long, honestly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's why I felt that they should have gave up the second round pick or maybe even a first round pick for Achan.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause is there a back that's coming out in the draft that you believe that's better than Hn, that can run the ball between the tackles, can hit his head on the goal post, can catch the ball out of the backfield because I mean, Pacheco, I mean, lord have mercy, he get a hold. He runs right up the lineman's back. I'm like, bro, what are you doing? You look. And Kareem, he. I'm glad to see him back, but he's basically a power back. He's a three yard and a cloud of dust guy. He's not a guy that you can consistently give the ball to and you hope to him to break something big. That's not what he is right now. He's a two to three yard a carry guy. That's what he is, Ocho. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's a place for that guy that, you know, he can get you very, very tough yards. The initial, the first guy normally doesn't bring him down. But they need, they need playmakers. They need guys that can help Patrick Mahomes out because at this juncture, he can't do. I mean.

He can't do any more than what he's doing. He can't.

[Sophie Cunningham]

He can't.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, guys got to make plays. And when your quarterback. And that's the thing, when your quarterback isn't playing well, you need guys that can step up, make plays. And he didn't get any help tonight.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, no, he. He didn't. And the playmaker that we're speaking of, honestly, I think as far as the receiver. Receivers are. Receivers are concerned. I think they're set there. But Patrick Mahomes has to stop running the ball so much. They need a premium.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they do.

[Chad Johnson]

They need a premium.

Like when. When I think about Breece Hall, I think Breeze hall might have had a chance to go there before. Before the deadline for, for trade, for trades. That would have been perfect for them. That would have been perfect for them. So a running back like a Jameer Gibbs, I'm saying, I'm not saying there's another Jameer Gibbs out there, but somebody like that. Yeah, yeah. Hn a running back like that, that can, that can actually hit his head off the goal post from anywhere. And every time he does get the ball, you have the chance that something could happen. You know, that takes some of the pressure off of Mahomes, not having to do so much with his arm all the happen to be Superman and make the plays that he's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, because the thing is, Ocho, sometimes that, you know, in the west coast system, the short passing game is an extension of the run. They need the run.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They don't need an extension of the run. They need to be able to run the football. And right now they can.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now the offensive line is beat to hell. And we understand that because, you know, your right tackle is out. Your left tackle went out. The guy that replaced him went out. So now you're down to your third guy at tackle and who's an undrafted free agent. Now your right guard is out. Now you're down to your backup at right guard. So it's tough. It's tough. It's really tough. Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I have a question. What is. I don't know why his name is slipping my mind right now. The running back that used to play for the Kansas City Chiefs, he tore his acl. But before he tore his acl, he was fast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jamal Charles.

[Chad Johnson]

Jamal Charles. They. That's what they need. They need another Jamal Charles or some. Somebody like that. I mean, man, listen, Jamal, get that ball. If he hit that edge and get to that second level, you might. You might. The fat lady might as well sing. They need something like that. There's nothing like that in the draft.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think so either. So.

[Chad Johnson]

So whoever. And whatever they do get, it has to be an offseason acquisition. I have a good one for you right now. Huh? I think they. They. They need to do whatever. Whatever they need to do in the off season. They need to go get Alvin Kamara. Nah, they need to go get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah. Not at this. Not at this juncture of his career. Too many catches, too many carries on that body. He's not that guy anymore, Ocho. He. He. He's serviceable, but he's not that Ocho. No. Bree hall, he's much easier.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm. He's much better than what they have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that ain't say you don't need. You need. You need. You need a guy that you could really depend on. He's breaking down in Kansas. He's breaking down in New Orleans. Do you realize how many touches he has on his body?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Yeah, I know. You realize how many. How many touches Derrick Henry has on his body?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Look what he. Look what he did last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's not the same this year. And maybe that's because he's not getting the same opportunities as he got last year. I think I, I, I, me personally, Ocho, I think they need a little bigger back.

[Chad Johnson]

No, they got Cream Hunt. They don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, stop it. Oh, come on now. We like, we love Kareem. We appreciate him coming on.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, wait, you said, you said a bigger back, but a bigger back can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Only do so a breeze hall. They need that type of back. A guy that's big can run with power and run with speed.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody look a jir. Gil. But they also have David Montgomery. You look at, look at Green Bay. They got a two back system. Josh, Josh Jacob. And they got 23. I can't get his name off the top of my head. Look at, look at the, the 49ers. Brian Robinson, Jr. Christian McAffrey.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Christian McAffrey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So the, the backs need to.

They'Ve got to do, they got to do some soul searching. They, they really do. And I thought Kansas City defense played really well tonight. They didn't. They weren't. I mean there are some times that they got through and they couldn't get CJ on the ground and he made some plays. But see, that's what happens when you, when you bring pressure and you sacrifice your back end because you know, once McDuffie went out, they're okay back there, but they're not great. No, they, they, they, they make, they, they make, they hay when they can break, when that pressure can get there. If the pressure don't get there, guys gonna be running open.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You know the bad thing about it is, is, is for spags having to make the adjustments with Trenton McDuffie going out. When you do bring that pressure, McDuffie can lock down one side. He doesn't need any help. So you can bring in all that, all that pressure from the, from the opposite side of the field, knowing that Trent McDuffie gonna take care of his side. But once he goes out, hey, you're backing and basically exposed, which is why CJ Stroud was able to make some of those plays despite him having to run for his life most of the goddamn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right. You, you, you're right.

But look, it's one of those years. The Texas, this is what the Texans defense did in the second half. They picked Mahomes off twice.

Yeah, I mean he went like what, nine straight passes. The, the pass were either incomplete or they were intercepted. 28.6 completion percent rate and they had almost a 42% win rate.

And when you look at it, the Houston Texans are now eight and five. They're in the eighth seed behind the, the la, behind the Laker, behind the Chargers. But their game back, their game back at Jacksonville and they got, they got three of their last four games are at home. They look, they really, they really do control their own destiny ended. We're going to talk about that. Daniel Jones is going to be lost for the season. Ah, they did him a disservice. They did him a disservice.

[Chad Johnson]

Wow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The man's playing on a broken leg. So when you play on a broken leg. Oh, what do you do? You compensate. So when you compensate, you weaken the other side of your body.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Other parts of the body gonna compensate for that injury.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's just, it's the same way as your car. If your tires is going flat and you don't change it, you're gonna mess. Instead of just getting that child change that little donut, you're gonna mess up the rear end. Yeah, that's how the body, the body was, is. But when you start walking side, you know, now all of a sudden something else, you're gonna knock something else out of whack. But, but we'll talk about that in just a second. But give, give, give the Houston Texas credit. They haven't had a whole lot of success oo going into Kansas City and, and, and winning. But they got the job done. They needed to do, they needed to win this game. Give a demico Ryan, I think he's a hell of a young coach. He's doing an unbelievable job with this team. He's got them playing extremely well.

They're going to be in every game because of that defense. As long as the offense doesn't put them in harm's way, they can get a little bit of consistency, a little bit of consistency with the run game. I, I think, you know, Nico Collins, I think, you know, I think they got guys that can make, can make some plays. Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

What happened to Joe mixing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He out for the season?

He had an ankle injury or a foot injury or something and so he didn't, he didn't do anything at all. He didn't do anything in, in OTAs. There's something, you know. So he's done for the season.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hello.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, the Titans. The Titans beat the Browns, but Shador joined a very historic club during his third NFL start.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. First Browns quarterback with 300 pass yards, three touchdowns and a rush touchdown in the same game since 1950. He's also the seventh rookie in the Super bowl era to throw for 360 yards, have four total touchdowns, rush or pass in the same game, joining C.J. stroud, Joe Burrow, Deshaun Watson, Marcus Mariota, Andrew Luck, and Matthew Stafford. But.

But despite got me frustrated because I'm. Boy, I'm mad. I'm mad at him. A wet Hornet. Stefanski took him out with the game on the line. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What I don't understand.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you come, you're down 14, you score a touchdown, you're at home. Why are you going for two?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kick the pat. And guess what, Ocho, you're down seven now. You score a touchdown to kick the pat. Guess what, Ocho, we.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, there's no. There's no. There's no explanation behind what Stefanski is doing. There's none. There's none at all. But what I can tell you is I can tell you that his job. That his job is secured. Which is why he's making the calls that he's making. There's no reason. You got six minutes left in the game. Shador goes down. Shador goes down and he scores.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why go for two? Ocho, tell me. I, I just, I need somebody to offer me an explanation. When you down four, you're at home.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Even if you're on the road, you're down an even number. Why would you go for two? Because now, if you get. Now you're chasing points. You don't need to do that.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on for one. As well as he was playing, look at the numbers you put up today. As well as he was playing all game long. Right. You want to put the ball in your best player's hands. That has a hot. That has a hot hand at the right time. Who is that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shador.

[Chad Johnson]

So if you are going to go for two, if you're going to make that decision to go for two, you put the ball in your quarterback's hands who just drove you down not once, but twice on back to back drives to get you a chance to win the game or at least tie the game. I think I was so confused by this, I had to make two phone calls. I had to make two phone calls to people who have been head coaches before just to make sure I can get a better understanding and get a better perspective and context on what was being made. But obviously, even though they're not coaching anymore right now, even though they're not a part of the NFL right now, the answers they gave me were PC. So they, they wouldn't give me what I really wanted to hear. And I'm not going to say any names. But Stefanski, I can't say anything about it being fired because this is the reason why they didn't want Shador starting in the first place.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because now you see what he's capable of. Because everybody said if he just started at the beginning of the season, we. What could we have been?

[Chad Johnson]

And unk. I mean, unk. This is exactly why they didn't want him starting. This is exactly why he wouldn't get any reps, because they understood what you would get. Once he gets in there and he gets acclimated to the system with his players and he gets any kind of chemistry and continuity with that offense, this is what you get. And the stuff you pull in when you get after you score and taking him out, this is not college. You're not running trick plays. You're not going to fool anybody. The Wildcat is not going to work. This is not 2007. Ronnie Brown ain't back there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They tried to run the Wildcat, Ocho. They tried to run the wildcat. Look, the reason why the Dolphins ran the Wildcats because that quarterback wasn't any good. You got a competent quarterback that's playing his ass off. I felt that he made probably one mistake tonight, Ocho, is that when he threw the ball up down the middle of the field when he was playing so well, and he didn't really need to do that. And that's why I was like, shador, you're playing so well. You know, you're not supposed to just heed the ball up down the middle of the field. Other than that, Ocho, I thought this young man played extremely well. He was balling. Throw it with touch. The one he dropped down in the bucket. Oh, man. He dropped it in the bucket.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Good thing. The pro that he had that we've given a Fanning Jr. The one he had to touch the Jerry Judy that he hit for 60. That.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Basically the same play that he missed that he overshot him the game before.

[Chad Johnson]

But he hit him this time. And I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad him and Judy got on that. On that same page this week. I was. I was happy to see that. But that goddamn Fanon Jr.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he's making plays every.

[Chad Johnson]

Every goddamn week 44 popping up on film. Every week, 44 popping up on film. I don't. I don't know what they got. I don't know what kind of chemistry. I don't know if they stay out the practice and they. And they work together, but every time the ball is in the air, he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got to have coming.

[Chad Johnson]

He got to have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I agree. Hey, what about the touch pass that he threw the. He retreating and threw the touch pass to. In Joku? Oh, yeah. I mean, he has things that you just can't teach.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, you can't have things that you can't teach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And.

[Chad Johnson]

And the funny thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead, make your point.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I was gonna say what he lacks in mobility, he makes up in so many other areas when it comes to. When it comes to being able to extend plays, being able to play off script, being able to. Being able to be accurate. Being able to be accurate. You know, on the run. He's phenomenal at that. And the fact that he looks as good in only his third star, as bad as the Cleveland Brown team is not defense team is offensively to have him in there and give them that spark to where now in each game they're competing. Yes, they're competing week in and week out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he's. And he's. And he's playing through his bull job coach.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, matter of fact, maybe, maybe, maybe we can ask the chat. Even if you don't like Shador, you know, even if you don't like the Browns, can you please give me an explanation in the chat why you take him out two drives back to back with opportunity to get closer and put point when points are a premium in a situation like this where you want to win a game? Well, I, You. You would think the fancy would want to win the game, but some of the stuff, some of the play calls you have and, and situations like that, you putting your team in harm's way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for me, it's. It was. It was. It's the taking him out, going to the Wildcat when your best player, you know, he needs to be on the field. But what I don't understand, I need somebody to explain to me why did he go for two points on the first time they scored a touchdown? That's what I need to understand because at that point in time, oo, you don't need it. You don't need it. You don't.

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then. So let me get this. So now we're down 8 because we didn't. We. We were dumb. I don't know what happened. Maybe. Maybe Eagle had a rock and it dropped it on my and Stefanski's head. I don't know what happened. But. So now we got to go for two. So we gonna take. We gonna take Shador out and we're gonna run Wildcat, and the guy forgetting to pitch the ball.

I. I'm thinking. I'm thinking he was supposed to pitch it. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he was supposed to pitch and he was supposed to come around, and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I guess he was gonna throw it. I guess somebody else was gonna go out for a pass. I guess. I guess. I guess. I mean, at this point in time, we. We. We just like everybody else, we had. We had a loss for words.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm confused. The only way as a head coach, this is how I know a job isn't in jeopardy. This is how I know a job is in jeopardy. Because when your job is in jeopardy, you call plays that are conducive for you to look good as a head coach. And with a quarterback playing as well as he was playing, even if. Even if it wasn't Shador, a quarterback that is. You ain't taking him out like he had that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not taking him out.

[Chad Johnson]

No, you're not taking him out, because your job is on the line.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not taking him out.

[Chad Johnson]

Your job is on the line. I need to do everything I can to show management and those that are in positions of power who can make the call on whether I stay or go. That's coming from up top, huh? Matter of fact, we can't even blame the coach. This is the same situation. Who's the reason who took the fall for Luka getting traded again? Nico.

Stefanski is basically Nico Stefanski is basically Nico Collins. He's taking off. Stefanski taking all the heat, but the call is coming from up above.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got him.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, do whatever you do, whatever you need to do. Do whatever you need to do to make him look bad, because there's no reason why are you not trying to win? Are you trying to tank purposely? Are you trying to make your team look bad purposely? Because that's exactly what you're doing. Because you have every Cleveland Brown fan, every football fan scratching your head about the decision making you're making as a head coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've had people reach out to me and ask me. They don't even really know football like that. Say, why they take Shadow out?

Because I. They say we ask. I'm gonna ask you because I know. You know, you played the game. You watched the game. You study the game. I said, I don't know. They like, you know something? I'm like, damn, I ain't in Cleveland. I don't know. Hell if I do. I tweeted. It needs to be studied. They need a. A doj, Department of Justice. I need y' all to open up an investigation. And what the hell is going on in Cleveland? What the hell is Stefanski doing? Cause it makes no sense. Even if you want to run the Wildcat, considering that your quarterback is playing at a. He's on fire. He's hotter than four foxes in a forest fire. That's how hot he is, Ocho. And you take him out. You take him out to do. Think about this, Ocho. You take him out to have somebody else throw a pass because that. That's what it looked like. If you was gonna flip it to him, what was he gonna do, run it? Or he was gonna run and put.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Up and throw up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Throw up a pull up and throw a pass. So that's what I did.

[Chad Johnson]

He was gonna throw up. Listen, he was gonna. He was gonna throw it to somebody. If junkers. It flipped the ball like it was supposed to. Obviously misdirection you know how well misdirection works when you're playing against the defense. That's extremely aggressive. Yes, extremely aggressive. You're hoping somebody misses assignment in a, in a, in a back. In a back or a receiver or a tight end, you know, leaks out and he's wide open. But it didn't happen. It didn't work. It didn't work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't give. I, I don't, I don't, I don't care.

I'm gonna go down. I'm gonna go down and look, if you not. Hey, you brought me this far. You brought me this far.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If this is as far as you can take us, well, you bought us farther than I was.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I, I don't get it. I don't get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just told you it doesn't make. Here's what Stefanski said about going for two, the la. That last two point conversion. Let's take a listen to what he had to say.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was supposed to happen on that last two point conversion? Yeah. Not going to get into all the specifics, Jeff, but obviously did not go as we thought it would. Did you make that call or did Tommy? Yeah, I make every call. I make every call. Why would you take them off? Yeah, it's. Again, it's a two point play.

Didn't come through on our first two point play. Got to the second two point play, we didn't come through. But that's, that's on me.

[Chad Johnson]

Was that, what was that, that play call yours with Thomas every.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm responsible for all of it. No, I thought, I thought you turned over play calling duties. Now it's been reported. Mary Kate, I need you to call, I need you to let us know, jump in the chat. Because it was reported that he turned the play calling over to Tommy Reese. Right. Isn't that the oc? So I, I know everything's on you and you don't want to get into it. Get into it. What went into your thinking that when Shador Sanders had led you that back from 14 down, he, he had led you back. What made, what went into the decision to take him off the field and potentially have someone else throw a two point conversion? What went into your decision, Coach?

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, hold on. Not only have someone else throw the two point conversion. Have someone else throw the two point conversion. That wasn't your quarterback that was on fire like he was playing NBA Jams. Hold on. A play like that in college. I understand it. Yes, I understand. Because they don't see it coming. In the NFL, it's not working. That's a play for the movie the Longest Yard. Or maybe on Thanksgiving, you got you in the goddamn Turkey Bowl. That's what it's for. Or maybe the movie Water Boy. That's when you run a play like that, not with a game on the line that you're actually trying to win and compete. Like, what? What are we doing? I swear for God, on my mama, rest in peace. I had to call two of my former coaches to get a better perspective on what they were doing because you've been a head coach. And please explain to me you've been in that position before. If that was you, why do you call a play like that? And of course they wouldn't give me an answer. They wanted to keep it PC, like, come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, first of all, you should have been in that situation because you should have kicked the PAT to begin with. Why the hell you go for two on the first pat? You're only down 14, you're down an even number. So why the hell are you going. Why you hell are you going for two on the first path? If you just kick it now you're down seven. Now you don't have to chase the second point. That's what makes no sense to me. Nothing. First of all, it didn't make.

Who he started, he want, he went with Flacco. Okay, fine. They said Dylan Gabriel, they drafted him in the third round. Okay, whatever the case may be, we can't go back in time, undo what's already done. But moving forward, the guy gives you a great opportunity to win. A great opportunity. He's playing his ass off. And you undercut him by taking him off the field. You undercut him by going for two when it's unnecessary. So I'm just trying to figure out, and I don't want to use the word sabotage, but I will say I'm trying to understand your rationale and your thought process. What goes into going for two the first time when you're only down 14? You kick the pat, you're down seven, okay? Now you're down eight because you didn't get the first pat. I mean, the first two point conversion. So now you're down eight, you gotta go for it. What goes into a rationale after you see what your quarterback has done? Why would you take him off the field and ask somebody that doesn't play the position, do you really. Are you really, really trusting someone that hasn't thrown a pass to throw a pass in that situation, in that moment at that junk shot of game. You really want to do that, Ocho? Is that really what you want to do? Chat? Hell no.

[Chad Johnson]

They doing that on purpose. They're doing it on purpose and it's just, it's just not this. Just, just think about since training camp. Just think about all the games they've continued to play, their organization has continued to play. You know, with Shador. Just in general, they did not want Young Bull to be a starter because they understood if he gets the opportunity to play the numbers, you see him putting them up, putting them up, putting up, him getting an opportunity to play, he's going to give them their best chance to win. They don't want to win. What they do want to win. They don't want to win with him behind center. That's the only answer I can think of for you to be pulling that kind of bull drive I saw out there today, as a former player, as a football fan, as a fan of the game. This is for anybody, for any team, for any quarterback. You always want to put your quarterback and your team in the best positions to win because the, that's the point of, at the point of playing this game, you want to win. And that, that I'm sorry, that he pulled today was ridiculous.

[Shannon Sharpe]

On the downside, I was disappointed in Cleveland's defense, rush defense. Tony Pollard had 25 carries for a buck 61, had a 65 yard run, had another long run. They've got to do a better job of stopping the run. And so now we can put more pressure on Cam Ward. But when you're in second, when you're second and short, you're third and short. It's hard to rush the quarterback, Ocho, when you in short, down and D because you don't know they can run it. They. Now if we got it second along, we got it third and long. Now we can, now we can unleash Miles Garrett. Now we can unleash some of these rushers. But I just need somebody to tell me, I need, I need someone to explain to me and I need you to explain it to me as If I'm a 7 year old. So it's like a kid going to his father and he's asking him a question. Father. That's what I need somebody to explain it to me because it makes no sense. As a guy oo as guys that played the game, as a guy that studied the game and I'm. And that's what I do. I don't look at, I don't look at touchdowns. I'm glad they scored. I'm looking at how they scored. I'm looking at why they scored. I'm looking at what did the defense do. I'm looking at what play was called, what personnel were you in so I could have a better understanding and see, okay, I saw what this worked. But when you to do this, it makes no sense.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And can I say one thing also? Let's say the Cleveland Brown defense, they've been playing they ass off all season. They've been playing their ass off all season. They've been stopping the run, they've been stopping the pass. So you know what? You come to a game where now we need the offense. We was down 14. God damn it. The offense showed up. The offense showed up. They showed up. Miles Garrett got to be pissed. Denzel Ward, Dale Pitt, they have to be pissed because I know they see it. I know if they. I know if there was anybody was mic'd up, I know on the sideline, if you hear the defensive player talking, they'd be like, man, what the hell are we doing? What the hell are we doing? Okay, they're running the ball on us now. This is one of the few games we need our offense to have our back. Long be motherfucking hole the offense had. They back with a position twice. Two different drives drove down the field. We score. We go for two. What, we get the ball back, go right back down the field again, and we do the same bullshit again. They got to be pissed, but they can't say nothing. They not gonna say none. They know it's some bull drive, but players in that locker room, they can't see anything. But they can see. Yeah, they can see. They can see clear as they. They know what's going on. They know what's going on. Because if I can see it, and I'm all the way down here in Miami, a thousand something miles away. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We know who can.

[Julian Edelman]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who can play and who can't chat.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We know who can play and who can't play. When you're in the locker room, you know exactly who can play, and we know exactly who can't play. I don't get. I don't care what coach does. I don't care how much money you make. I don't care where you were drafted. I know if you can play or not because I see you every day. Yeah, they know Shador Sanders can play. They believe in Shador. The greatest thing your teammates can do is have a belief in you, can trust you.

I just It. It doesn't make sense. They say the only difference between truth and fiction is that fiction has to make sense.

So when you're doing a story, Ocho, fiction has to make sense because we know truth.

[Chad Johnson]

They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People do stuff, they're like, that can't be true. That's got to be AI and when I saw him going, I was like this. Hell, if. If somebody would have told me, I said, that's AI. I'm watching it in real time. So I know it can't be AI because I'm sitting there watching it.

This guy you got. You got to be ishing me.

Stefanski. I know this man. I think he's been the coach for five years, six years. He's a two time coach of the year.

[Chad Johnson]

Coach of the year. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's more than competent.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Which is how you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But sometimes the smartest people are the biggest dummies.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no. We're not. We're not gonna make no excuses. He's not dumb. He not dumb. He's not dumb. And this is not analytics. This ain't about numbers. This ain't about computers. This is what I like to call sophisticated tanking.

Pulling the wall over. My point exactly. Because that's not the person they wanted to handle. Let's not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For the sake of argument, Ocho, you're tanking for. What do you think Mendoza, the quarterback at IU is. Is. Is. Is. Is. Is substantially better than Shador Do. I'm trying to think. Who else is that? Whatever the quarterback is out there, Ocho. I. I'm trying to think. Chad, y' all help us out. Do y' all think any of the quarterbacks that you. Oh, Salem saying, excuse me. For Ohio State. Is there something. Is there somebody that we're. That. That we're Ty Simpson, Gunnar Stockton? Is there somebody that we don't know that you think right now that go come into the league and that would be substantially better than Shador?

[Sophie Cunningham]

Are.

[Chad Johnson]

Are we forgetting what the owner said? The GM said he was not my pick. This is not who I wanted publicly. Those are the type of things that you don't say out loud. Those are the things that you think in your head that you tell those amongst you that sit up there in the seats with the ties and the jackets on. You don't say it in front of the camera. You don't. That is why things are going the way they're going. If unfortunately you got to a situation where now he has to start. Yeah, now he has to start and There's a reason why you didn't want him to start because you understood if he got in there with ample time, with the right reps, this is what you get. This is what you get. When opportunity meets preparation, this is the shit you get. So what do we have to do on my end? Nico Collins, who is basically Stefanski right now in situation. Oh, we go down on two scores. I'm gonna go for two. That ain't Stefanski doing that. That's not him calling that. That's coming from a higher power, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, let me ask you this. You just watching the game. I take the names out the back of the jerseys. I take the color. You colorblind, and you can't see which quarterback. I played the other quarterback today.

You don't chat. You don't know the names. I took the names out the back of the jerseys and you can't tell the colors. You don't know which one of the Browns and you don't know which one of the. The Titans. All you do, you just watching the game. You don't know nothing. There's no sound. You watch the game just like I do with no sound. Who played the best?

Yes. You met Nico Harrison, not Nico Collins.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, my bad. Nico.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If. If you just. If you just watch the game. The poison which he played with. Yes, there's some. There's some habits he's going to have to break. That bubbling. It's okay for him to sometimes to step up in the pocket and to step up as opposed to bubbling all the time. But look, he's a young quarterback, and that's going to come. I get. I'm willing to give him another year or two, but I think he had the tools to be a very good quarterback in this. In the NFL. I do. But I think he needs somebody that believes in him. I think he needs somebody in his corner, and I'm not so sure that the Browns organization is in his corner. I think they're playing it. I think the fan base is so in Shador's corner, I don't really think they have a choice. I don't. I don't. They didn't see this. They didn't think he could do this. And the people that's hating on him don't think. He didn't think he could do that. That's a damn good Titans defense. That's a damn good Titans defense.

And he just threw for that almost 400 yards.

With four total touchdowns. Yes, he had a bad interception, but he played unbelievable for his Third career start. Hold on, let me go back up here. The guys. Hold on. Where's the guys that. That had thrown for?

Oh, Joe Burrow, number one overall. Andrew Luck, number one overall. You. Matthew Stafford, number one overall. Marcus Mariota, number two overall. C.J. stroud, number two overall. DeShawn Watson, a top 20 pick. He just did what those guys did. Joe Burrow, number one. Andrew Luck, number one. Matthew Stafford, number one. Andrew Luck, Number two. No, Andrew Luck was number one. Stafford was number one. Joe Burrow was number one. Three number one picks. C.J. scribe was number two. Martin, Marcus Mariota was number two. So he just did something that three number ones, two number twos and a top 20 quarterback. The only one that's ever did in the super bowl era.

Been playing Super Bowls for longer than I've been alive and I'm 57. A fifth rounder did that.

[Chad Johnson]

He wasn't no fifth round talent. You know that. They knew that.

But who they got, who they got next week?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who, who do you Cleveland play next week?

They got the Bears in Chicago.

We got the work cut. Bears, Bills, Steelers, Bengals.

Here are the quarterbacks that have played the Titans this season. Shador Sanders has thrown for the most yards. 364. Matthew Stafford. 298. That's Davis Mills. 274 Justin Herbert, 250 Sam Darnold, 244 C.J. stroud. 233 Trevor Lawrence, 229 Drake May, 220. 222 Kyler Murray, 220 Bo Nicks, 176. Look at that list chat.

Oh yeah. Okay. Only guy that's thrown for more was Daniel Jones. Matthew Stafford, number one pick. Sam Donald was a top three pick. CJ Stroud was a top three pick. Trevor Lawrence was a number one pick. CJ Stroud was number two. Kyler Murray was number one. Bo Nicks was the top pick. Look at this. Look at all these guys up here. Look at where they were drafted. And look at what this fifth round kid did. And they bull jiving him.

Sometimes. Sometimes.

You know they say, oh, a man can make his destiny on the road that he took to avoid it. Sometimes I can make my destiny on even though obstacles you placed in front of me. It might take me a little longer. It might have took me 10 weeks. But I got there in spite of what you tried to do.

[Chad Johnson]

Now that's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

God say bow before me and I stand for you. And if I stand for you, can't no man stand against you.

I need somebody to tell Me chat. Where y' all at? I need. I need you guys get on. What? What that? Ask AI. Ask AI. Ask Grok. What is it? Grok Ask. Why the hell does Spansky do what he did? I need y' all to ask.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, ask. Chat gp.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Chat GPT. That's what. Chat GPT. What the hell was going on?

Oh, my goodness. Dylan Gabriel should be suspended for that bold faced lie he told to his fiance.

Oh, man, I still can't believe this. I can't believe they did this, man. Can you imagine? Can you imagine if this man would have come back and won this game? Ooh. What? Man, they throw the ticket tape parade for this man in Cleveland.

[Chad Johnson]

He. That's not. They didn't want that. They didn't want that. They didn't want that because if they wanted that, they would have put him in position to do just that. They would have put him in position to do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man.

Yeah, he just. He's still filling out the guys. It seems like he has a great rapport with Fanning Jr.

But hey, man, he was, he was, he was, he was, he was. He was special today.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hopefully this is something gives him a little bit more confidence. I know he's a very confident young man. You don't play, you don't be in the Sanders house without being confident. Because we know his dad has the utmost confidence and I think he instilled that in his kids. And he's been a starter since high school. He started every game in college for the most part. And he knows he belongs. He knows he belongs. But sometimes it takes somebody believing in you too, Ocho. That's going to put you in the best situations. Keep your head up, Shador. You played your ass off today. Hello.

[Chad Johnson]

Hello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

After a critical 2722 loss to the Steelers, many of the Ravens questioned the call made by the referees, notably an overturned touchdown reception by Isaiah likely in the fourth quarter. The referee initially ruled likely scored a 13 yard touchdown pass from Lamar Jackson, which would have given the Ravens a one point lead with 243 remaining. Despite. Despite the tight end losing the ball in the end zone. But less than a minute later, referee Alex Moore announced it was incomplete. Likely had the ball punched out by Joy Porter Jr. Before he made the necessary third step in the end zone. D Hop tweeted and deleted NFL and app fishing 13 years in his league. How many steps do you need in the end zone for a touchdown? It took me. Hey, go ahead, I'll let you take it.

[Chad Johnson]

I was just gonna say, you know, you know the rule. I, I know the rule. A catch. For a catch to be completed, you have to take three steps. He took two and on that third.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got it down. The ball got punched out.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, the ball got punched out. So technically, if that was in the field of play or if it was in the end zone, it was still would have been an incomplete pass. I mean, you know, understanding the rules and knowing that he had, he had possession, but you have to complete the catch with momentum and take that third step. It's unfortunate and I mean, they, they didn't, they didn't win the game. Goddamn. Aaron Rodgers was dealing today. Aaron Rodgers was dealing today. It wasn't just, just that, that, that play. I mean, there were other plays that could have been made that could have changed the, the trajectory of that game for the Ravens as well. But hell, you got to get a Steelers credit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many times likely are you going to get the ball punched out? Remember Ocho, he tried to switch the ball against Cincinnati and he got it knocked out. Now go back and look at the first touchdown that he got and see what he did? He secured it.

[Chad Johnson]

How many?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't get style points for touchdown. He was doing this. All he had to do was secure it. He had it just like this here. Why? Because it looked cool. How many times you saw him on Thursday, he did the same thing and got it knocked out, and it was a touchback. So how many times?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Actions without consequences, no lesson can be learned. You would have thought the action that he had Thursday night on Thanksgiving would have taught him a lesson because it was a valuable lesson to learn because the consequences was it was a touchback and not a touchdown. But guess what? He didn't learn.

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Trying to hold. Trying to hold that thing. Yes, man, grab. Hey, grab it, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bring that. Thank you.

[Chad Johnson]

I'll tell you one thing. Once you grab and bring in and tuck, it make it that much more difficult to get up out of there. It make it that much more difficult to get about it. And you don't have. You don't have to stress holding on to it that damn tight with somebody trying to fight through your hands.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chad, go back and look at the first touchdown. Go back and look at the first touchdown and see what he did when he caught it. He made sure he secured it. And when nobody really around him. Now this guy's on his tail, he can feel it because, you know, oh, yo, you know when I broke away, because I ran. I ran a little over angle, and the guy's already outside leverage. So I know he's gonna be driving hard. I already know that.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I don't get it.

Lamar has some drops, but Lamar's not throwing the football well. Ocho, he had Zay Flowers on a touchdown, and he undershot him and he threw it behind him, and the guy knocked it, got it out.

Yeah, they would. They was pointing, like, put it out there. He had him. Rashad Bateman, he had a. It was fourth. I think it was third down. He hit him. He dropped it. Yeah, but Lamar is not playing well. Y' all know that ain't no sense. I'm not breaking news to you. I'm not interrupting your normally scheduled programming. Breaking news to you. Lamar Jackson isn't playing well. He's just not.

And a lot of that has to do with your left guard. He's terrible. And I chat. I know sometimes my bluntness is not the best, but he's not good.

That left guard is not good. I mean, he ain't. You shouldn't be allowed to be that big and that sorry that needs to be a. That needs to be a prerequisite. If you this big, you got to be good.

This man. So he can't block the sun out of his eyes, let alone a defensive lineman or an extra. A blitzer coming.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me. Let me. What. What number is he? Don't say. 77.

[Shannon Sharpe]

77. Filet lay.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Filet.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He fillet. Fish fillet.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I bet. Listen. Isn't on film. He is always. He's always at the scene of a crime. And I mean no disrespect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

77. Yeah, that's him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. On the. On the games that I've seen, is. Is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is.

[Chad Johnson]

It's always him. Always the same one. I think. I think he's better at run blocking as a. I'm thinking better as a run blocker as opposed to bring his ears on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bring his ass in on fourth down. Fourth and one, fourth and two.

But most the way the teams are set up now, Ocho, you got to throw the ball at some point in time. Yeah, you got to throw it at some point in time.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he's. He's. That's. That's his strength. That has to be a strength, you know, when it comes to the run, because it. Pass blocking always at the scene of the crime. On. Every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's being reported that Lamar Jackson had a heated interaction on the sidelines with Daniel Filele after the interception, per Tracy Wolfson.

At this point. So, Ocho, let me ask you this. If as bad as he's been playing this entire season, how bad must his backup be?

Chad, y' all need to help me out. If he's this bad, he's so bad that you can't bench him. How bad? But ain't no.

I need somebody to help me. Ain't no way the backup can be that bad, because if the backup that bad, he ain't even high school player.

I mean, how you, Ocho? How you pass that and you don't block nobody. Yeah, I mean, to be that big. I mean, the sun rise up and the sun's shining. He can't even block the sun out his eyes. Ocho. Son blinded. He just walked right into the wall. Cause he can't do this.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he got. He got his shot. Hey, he a big boy, too, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Big and terrible.

[Chad Johnson]

He a big boy.

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's as big as he is. Sorry.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you know, that's your. That's your team that lost, too, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whoa, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, that's your tea. That's your team. That lost, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, like coach used to tell us, a son, you can't be old and slow. Pick one. You can't be big and sorry, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You gotta have a struggle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta have a story. Small and sorry. You can be big and good. You can be old, but you can't be. So you gotta pick one. You can't be both. B, O, F, F both. He both. He big and sorry for no reason.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you go out? How you go out? You go to the grocery store with your wife or your girlfriend. How you go get games.

[Chad Johnson]

In public?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, I know damn well. Ain't nobody ever told him this year, good game. They lied. If they did, you going to hell if you told that man good game. You lied to his face and he know it. Everybody know when they play like some stir fry.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, he's probably. He's probably not playing with confidence right now. He probably not playing. And the fact that. And if there was an altercation and you get into it with your quarterback, where your quarterback has to address, you know, you not doing well in a game, that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Chad Johnson]

That will hurt your confidence even more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They putting their helmet in my back. That's hurting me.

He should have soccer style and kicked him in his ass. You know what he should have did when he beat up with Lamar? Walk up, go up in the center, kicked him in his tail.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You know, that rarely happens, too. You never see a quarterback really chastise his office.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they don't.

[Chad Johnson]

When they get hurt, that. That really rarely happens. No matter how many times they get sacked to get hit, that rarely happens. So the fact that Lamar had to be really frustrated, really frustrated for him to even address it in game, because guess what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many times. Because normally quarterback said, come on, guys, we got to do better than this now.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many times during the course of this year chat, do you think Lamar Jackson has said, come on, guys, we need to pick it up. Hey, come on. Hey, come on. Come on. Hold on. What his name is? What's his name?

Daniel. Come on, Dan. Hey, come on. We go. Hey, we'll get him. We're gonna be all right. Come on, dad. We're gonna get him. We gonna be all right. If I'm Lamar. No, we not. This man gonna get me killed.

What they should do. Lamar said, you know what? I'm gonna go play guard, and I want you to play quarterback, and I'm gonna do to you what you've been doing to me. I ain't gonna block a damn soul And I want him to tear your ass up.

We had to happen at Savannah State. Guard didn't miss the block. Coach, I tell you what. Hey, you get here, you get there. Let me see how you see how you like it.

That's embarrassing. At some point in time, you know what? I'm. At some point in time, you say, you know what? Damn, this. You not been to whip my ass all day, every day. Don't you got some pride? Forget the Ravens. What about that name on the back?

I was just gonna say that.

Sharpie and darken it out. You don't know who it is.

Put me in Witness.

[Chad Johnson]

That's on film.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't me, man, that you. You said the seven. No, that ain't me.

[Chad Johnson]

That's on film. Huh? That's on film. Everybody can see that.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Like when.

[Chad Johnson]

When all the teams you get to play. All the teams you get to play. Oh, yeah. When we line up, we run our TES and our stunts. Right there, right at 75. That's the fish. Everybody got a fish on offense. Everybody got a fish on defense. Everybody has a weak link. And the weak link offensively is young bull. I mean, that. That's. That, that's. I mean, every team has one. It just so happens his is very glaring, and it's noticeable every effing game. Every game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what it is, Ocho? Chat y' all been fishing. When you get a fish, when you get him on the line, what you can't do. Ocho let him off the hook.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. I don't want to beat him too bad early, because I don't want to get it benched. Cause see, if I beat him too early, they gonna bench it. See, I'm gonna wait till the right time. I'm waiting to get to the fourth quarter. That's when I'm gonna really start tearing his ass up.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I know. I know. Lamar. Frustrated, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me, I'm frustrated, and I ain't got hit in 20 years.

And, Ocho, it was the 25th anniversary of the super bowl team. They got letterman jackets out there, boy, you know, if I'd have been out and ran on the field, you. Hey, I'd have ran out there with you. You terrible.

[Chad Johnson]

Why you. Why you ain't go, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Long story. I explained it to you.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, this joke got. Boy, this joker here.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is why I couldn't coach.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, actually, Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Now, see, that's one thing about it. Now, God always has a calling, huh? And most of the time, he'll knock on your door. And the fact that you don't answer the door. Maybe that's the problem. The fact that maybe if you were coaching. If you were coaching the Baltimore Ravens, Daniel wouldn't be playing like this. He probably wouldn't be playing like this. If hearing it from you would register better than hearing it from who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

His coach.

[Chad Johnson]

Whoever his coach is right now.

I mean, it's too late to hear from Chad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me tell you something. In all my years, rarely, never single out any offensive lineman individually. He always does it as a group. Come on, guys, we got to do better than this. Come on, guys. We got to pick it up.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

I don't know.

I'm just saying, if. If you was my coach when I was playing, I would. I would listen to you. I probably wouldn't have had no celebrations.

I would hand the ball right to the ref.

I'm lying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Me. I'm a coach. I him. I said, look here, son, I don't know what's gonna happen. I really don't. But I did make a recommendation that we cut you.

Just so we clear.

That's my recommendation.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hold on. I recommend.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's what I recommended. I don't know what's gonna happen because it's. It's out of my hands. But I did recommend this morning.

That we cut you.

[Chad Johnson]

It ain't that many good laminators.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't one of them.

[Chad Johnson]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right. You right. You right.

Per the broadcast. Per the broadcast, Lamar threw his helmet down after the last offensive series and then had a conversation with Daniel Filele, who said, they know it's coming every time.

What?

Oo. You got two options on the football field as an offense. You can run it or you can throw it. So they got a 50, 50 chance of guessing what the hell you gonna do. What you mean? It ain't rocket science?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If it's first, second, or third now, what the hell you think they gonna do? Oh, they might punt it. Oh, they might let Lamar kick it off. They gonna throw it or they're gonna run it. Those are the only two choices that an offense have on first, second, or third down. And he gonna talk about they know what's coming.

[Chad Johnson]

At all. That all come down to want to. Huh? That all come down to want to. Even if you know what's coming. Even if you know what's coming, you ain't finna get past me if you do sack Lamar, if you dig it, if you do get to Lamar, if it ain't gonna be on me, it's not gonna be my fault. I'm definitely not gonna be the reason. I will never be the problem. I will always be the solution. I mean, that's just. That's. Everybody's built different mentally. That's my mentality. I'm just saying, if I played off as a lie, oh, I'm not gonna be the problem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, he did. First of all, if he's a solution, what's.

If he the answer? What's the question?

[Chad Johnson]

It ain't that many. It ain't that many linemen, huh? They, they, they. You can't just pop them off trees like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That. They're alignment worse than what he is. It's hard for me to believe that, don't y'?

[Sophie Cunningham]

All?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I refuse to believe that.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you. You can't hide him. No, you can't hide him. You can't hide him Most of the time. Other, other players, other teams, the way they're structured, you can hide your fish, you can hide your fish, you can hide your weak link, you know, you can help your weak link double team.

You know, run away from him. When you do throw, have protection, slide his way. I mean, it's just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There was a crowd of reporters waiting for Daniel Fille locker, but the media policy is general, not to talk to players before they're fully dressed. Valele was shirtless, took his shirt in his hand, nodded to the reporters, walked off. He did not return for questions.

Let me ask you a question, Ocho. They win that game, you think he does this?

[Chad Johnson]

No, probably not. Probably not. But he understanding the questions that were going to come, especially with the incident with Lamar. He didn't want to say anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got to be as gracious in defeat as you are in victory.

That's a part of it. Nobody is going to win every game. Nobody's going to play great every game. But a part of being a pro is standing there and facing the very tough questions. But see, when they ran for 300 yards, he answered. He stood there and looked down the barrel of the couldn't. Hey, anybody else got anything they want to ask?

[Chad Johnson]

And you know what? I'm kind of glad, honestly, Unk. Especially when it comes to linemen, you get into a few with your quarterback, you guys have a disagreement on the sideline? I'm glad he didn't answer any questions because ain't no telling what he. What he might have said. He might not be media savvy. He might still have been angry. He might have said the wrong goddamn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thing short of him saying I sucked today, I ain't want to hear nothing he had to say.

If that was the first thing came out of his mouth and it's okay, Ocho. Hey, guys, Today wasn't my day. I gotta be better. I. I was not good enough today. And although we are a team and we lost as a team, I have to be better individually. It's okay to say that. It really is. It really is okay to say that.

I've been the guy. You know what? Hey, we. We win as a team, we lose as a team. But Shannon Sharp has to be better.

I'm counted on to make the plays that I left on the field today. I'm counted on to be a leader. I didn't lead today. I didn't make plays today. That's on me. I'll be better next week. That won't happen again. It's okay, Ocho. It's okay.

To not have to not be good on a particular day. It's gonna happen to everybody. But a part of being a professional, a part of being a pro. Cause he's a professional football player, a pro. Is when things don't go your way, you still look down the eye of that camera. And when they ask that, you answer every question that they ask. What happened out there today? Yeah, guys, it was a rough one on me today. I wasn't good enough. I've got to be better. My teammates are counting on me. Lamar is counting on me. The fans are counting on me. And I promise you I'll be better next week. What happened? Nothing. Guy just beat me today. I just didn't have it. I know I got to get better. I. I don't have any. I can't tell you anything specifically that they did. It was what I didn't do. Yeah, I was lunging. I wouldn't do my steps. Wasn't proper. I stepped underneath.

It's okay, bro. It's okay to have a bad game, but don't run. Don't run. Because if y' all had rushed for 300, I guarantee you you wouldn't have grabbed your teeth. You grabbed your shirt and nodded at the. The camera. You'd have talked. So you got to talk in defeat, just like you would in victory. That's what makes us pros. We don't hide, we don't run. We don't tuck our tails when things don't.

Yes.

Lamar stood right there.

Raven, y'. All. Thomas, tenure. The Pittsburgh is under microscope this week and would have gotten only worse had they lost to The Ravens. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Does them winning this game today, does that cut down on the rumors that Mike Tomlin or the Steelers got to make a decision on Mike Tomlin? Mike Tomlin going somewhere else? Does he want to go somewhere? Do they want him to go somewhere else? Do you think that quelled the noise of what's going on in Pittsburgh?

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, I think once a rumor like that starts, you always know that rumor always comes from somewhere. I think regardless of what they do, I think they're probably going to move on. It's been a very long time since they've moved on from a coach. Most of the time they allow their coaches to leave on their own. And but for a rumor like that to start, it has to come from somewhere. And it came from in that building. It came from in that building. So I think once the rumor starts and that that fire gets to burning, I don't think there's anything that they can do collectively as a group or Mike Tomlin as a head coach that would change the decision that they're going to make at the end of the season. I think they're going to allow him to.

Leave it in his hands to. To say, I'm stepping down, I'm stepping away from here.

For the foreseeable future, and we're going to go in a different direction. I think they're not going to fire him. I think he's going to probably step away and allow him go. Go out on his own, on his own way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think, me personally, Ocho look and Coach Tomlin look.

I think it's going to be hard for him to step away or them to fire him if he wins the division, make the playoffs. But you got to understand, Ocho, they haven't won a playoff game. It'll be a decade.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. What makes you think they win one now?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And how many. How many. How many playoff games have they won since they won that Super Bowl? I know they lost. I know they lost one year to the Patriots in the AFC Championship game, but how many playoff games since they won that Super Bowl, Ocho? They beat the Cardinals.

I think that was in Tampa.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I'm not sure how many they won so far.

I think they haven't been since 2016. 2016. I think that might have been.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the last time, but I don't think they won more than two or three playoff games since they won that last Super Bowl.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but it's hard, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they. They lost the super bowl to Green Bay and then they went to the championship game.

Against the Patriots. What year was that?

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

You. You. You know, you know where. Where Mike Tomlin kind of messed up. Where he would be okay if he had drafted a quarterback and didn't worry about Ben Roethlisberger. Ben Roethlisberger's feelings drafted the quarterback early.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He didn't.

[Chad Johnson]

And you wouldn't have been. You wouldn't have been searching for him right now because not having a quarterback has put you behind the eight ball and having to search and search and search. And that's one of the reasons why you haven't had the success you wanted to, because you haven't found a quarterback yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why Green Braves has prosperity, because Green Bay was unafraid to piss the quarterback off. Brett Favre was pissed. He was pissed to the highestivity that they drafted.

[Chad Johnson]

Aaron Rodgers was pissed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Aaron Rodgers was even higher. And they say, you know what? You better be pissed off than pissed on. So guess what? Keep it moving.

You got Ocho. You cannot wait to the bridge. You've got to start trying to repair it. Because if you wait till the bridge collapse, it's too late. We saw what happened with the Dolphins when they didn't have adequate replacement for. For. For Dan. Yeah, we see when they let these quarterbacks rot on the vibe and they're afraid to upset their feelings. Well, I don't want to bring anybody, bro. Okay, but when he leave, then what you gonna do?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you stuck. You stuck. And they've been stuck for a while, ever since Big Ben is gone.

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