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Host 'Unk'
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Oh, this might have been the last throw of Aaron's career.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yes.
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Host 'Unk'
Might have been a pick six because if you remember, the last throw of Tom Brady's career was a pick six by Logan Ryan, if I'm not mistaken. Obviously he went on went to Tampa, won a Super bowl with Super Bowl MVP and had him in the playoff each of his three years there. But that was bad. Tonight was bad. And Ocho.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
And I know look and I don't, I don't want to be the bearer of bad news and I don't want you want people to think I'm piling on, but when is enough are going to be. Well, Mike Tomlin's never had a losing season.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
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Host 'Unk'
He also hasn't been close to getting back to the super bowl since he went to the super bowl last time and they lost to Aaron Rodgers in 2011. Yeah, that was the last, that was the last chance they've been to the soup. That was the last time they went to the super bowl and that was the last time they realistically had a chance.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Chance, yes.
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Host 'Unk'
I mean they go to the playoffs, but ain't nobody picking those Steelers.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Go ahead, Ojo.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
You also have to realize, I mean because of Mike Tomlin and his decision not to have a quarterback to back up Ben Roethlisberger, not wanting to upset him, not having predecessor in place when Ben Roethlisberger time was up, I mean, it's hampered them, it's hampered them in having a chance or even being able to compete. Yeah. Having winning seasons is okay, but the ultimate goal at the end of the day is to want to compete for a Super Bowl, a Super bowl trophy. And they haven't been able to do that because of the issues at the quarterback position. And we've seen many teams throughout the league struggle until they find that centerpiece and until you find that centerpiece, I mean, this is what it's going to be. Now you get Aaron Rodgers who is, you know, up, up in age, but he can give you.
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Host 'Unk'
He's 42. Yeah.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
If he's 42, he's nothing like what he used to be.
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Host 'Unk'
That's not like he tripped over his own feet tonight and got sacked.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, it's nothing like you getting the, the goddamn Aaron Rodgers of, Of, Of. Of young when he was in Green Bay. If you had that hell, I mean, it would have looked completely different tonight. Tonight's game. You know, CJ Stroud didn't play well.
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Host 'Unk'
No, he didn't.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
See, CJ Stroud didn't play well. And I. And people will look at the box score and it being 30 to 6, and you look at the numbers and what. C.J. stroud, he was 20 over 32, you know, at a TD. He had an interception. He threw for 250 yards. I mean, but the Bibles.
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Host 'Unk'
Oh, I mean, think about it. The bobbles he got. I mean, he was one. At one time. It was not his fault. The center snapped the ball. It doesn't look like he was ready. But the other time on the flea flicker, he fumbled that one, and then he had another fumble. And then all of a sudden he took his eyes off the ball twice and it was low. So he really had four fumbles.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, it was.
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Host 'Unk'
And they, they got two of them back. But that could have been, that could have been disastrous.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Go ahead, think about this. Think about what if they were playing a team with a much better offense than the Steelers.
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Host 'Unk'
Well, they got. They're playing one on Sunday.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Bingo. Matter of fact, what if the defense is having a bad game and they just can't stop anybody?
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Host 'Unk'
Oh, they lost.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
You know, you. You would have lost this game. Huh? You had three turnovers, three turnovers going into the, going into the third quarter. You was only down by one point, down by one point in the fourth quarter. Obviously, it was damn near a 23 point swing simply because of what the defense did. And then obviously, offensively, you finally got one. You. You finally got one in. But defense won this game for them. C.J. shroud is going to have to play better, especially protecting the ball, and get a little bit more offense. Excuse me, Get a little bit more offense going. Because when you, when you play them Patriots, as great as that defense is, the Patriots have so many different moving pieces, so many different moving pieces. Offensively, it's, it's going to be tough. It's going to be a tough outing. As great as that goddamn Texan defense is.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah. And the thing is, is that the, The Patriots offense is better than the offense they face tonight. So if you allow them to have short possessions, which means short fields, Ocho, they're going to cash those in. I don't think they struggle. They can run the ball better. I think they protect better than what Pittsburgh does. Pittsburgh don't have any playmakers. I mean, after that first. The first series, DK disappeared. I was disappointed in DK. Ocho, he got a force block. DK 6, 3, 6, 4, 230 pounds. And he let that man blow that play up in the backfield. Ocho. Yeah, come on, Ocho. I'm not. Listen, I'm not saying you got a pancake the guy, but ain't no way, no db. I would not allow a DB because DK is ways more than I did. And I played tight end. There's no way I'm allowing a DB to blow me up and make that play in the backfield. No, that's just not want to. That's just.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
He.
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Host 'Unk'
He just didn't want to. Petri came to play. Those guys came to play. Hey, hey, Petri headache. Pet.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Petri thumping hey, do you see how small Petri is? He not. He not a big dude. No, Peachy is not a big dude, but he plays like he's 65.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah, plays like he's 65, you know, but.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
And he's very reminiscent the way Peachy plays and comes to the party, plays out in the box. He supports. He. He supports coming down on the run. He mind me Ryan Clark a little bit. Remind me. Ryan Clark. Ryan Clark had no regard for his body. Oh, he coming to the party with no regard to you or his body. That's.
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Host 'Unk'
He's a 90s. He's a 90s type of safety. Those guys was physical. The Rodney Harrisons, the Steve. Now, he's not as big as those guys. And you look at you like, oh, man, I better run. Okay.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
He too little? Yeah, he looks small.
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Host 'Unk'
Okay. Next thing you know, your heels up in there, you're like, well, damn. What happened? He done knock your ass. That's what happened.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
But let's take this. We'll talk about the Texas, but let's take the Steelers. Yeah, Everybody loves to hang their hat. Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season. He's never had a losing season.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
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Host 'Unk'
What is that? I thought the objective was to win and win a championship, so now this is where we are because. Because no coach has ever started his career like this. Never had a. Never had an odd winning. What is that? How close are the Steelers? Steeler fans? Be realistic with yourself. How close are you. Would you say you. To winning a championship as currently constructed?
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Co-host 'Ocho'
No, not. Not nowhere near. Nowhere near.
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Host 'Unk'
They're not even close. No, they're not even close. Defensive front, okay.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
The back, okay.
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Host 'Unk'
They're really good against the run. They can pressure. They get exotic with some stuff. But offensively, because you got a 42 year old guy, because now, because what happened, Ocho, he reverted back. He didn't look like the old Aaron Rodgers. He looked like an old Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, that's what he looked like. And people like, well, if you go, they had to stand up there. He averaged what, 3.7 yards of air distance, which was the fewest in the NFL. You know what happens when you get like that? You don't want to get hit.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
And they got to find ways to get the ball out your damn hand quick. You don't trust your offensive line and they work scheming ways to get the ball out your hands because they know you can't take a hit.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Because in order for you to take, in order for you to push the ball down the field, oo. You would have to take one right here occasionally.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, you got to.
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Host 'Unk'
And at 42, you ain't trying to do that.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Nah. You know, you know what else if for to have a quarterback like Aaron Rogers, as old as he is, being that he's not the same way he used to be, he's not in position. Nor do you have the skill set or the quality of play to be. Be able to elevate those around him. No, those around him need to be that much better.
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Host 'Unk'
You got to get better players around him. That's why Tom Brady left New England. He went got with a young Chris Godwin, he got with a young Mike Evans. They got an Antonio Brown, they brought in gr. They had Kade Otten that young off that offensive line. They drafted Tristan Worth. Look at that young defense that they had. They had a JPP, they had a Devin White, they had a 54. I forget his name. They had those young guy, Carlton Davis, Jamal Dean. They had, uh, his. His dad was, uh, he's a safety. His dad was a safety of the league. I forget his name also off the top of my head, guys, I'm sorry.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Winfield. No.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah. Antonio Winfield Jr. Yeah, yeah. Levante David. You see?
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
So now as you get older, you need more help. So Instead of, for 20 years, Tom Brady was able to elevate. I ain't mad at him that now. He same thing with Peyton. Peyton went got with the Demarius, rest his soul. He got with a young Eric Decker. He. He got with Emanuel Sanders. He had a Julius Thomas, they redid that offensive line. They have Von Miller, they go get DeMarcus. Where they go get to leave. They go get T.J. ward. Look at what they did. They had those young linebackers in there, Travan and Brandon Marshall. That's what, that's what Aaron Rodgers needs. So if you think you're going to get that guy to elevate your team. No, you. You need to have pieces in place that can elevate him. And there's no harm in that. There's no harm in that. Nobody is the same as they were in the beginning.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
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Host 'Unk'
And the biggest thing is Ocho is coming to grips with that. That's the hardest thing when you're a great player, is come to grips that I'm not what I used to be. But Pittsburgh's not even close. And I get it. Mike Tomlins, he's great. Very matter of fact, you know where he stands. He have great sayings. But Pittsburgh, if you being honest, if everybody's being honest, y' all not close.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
But you know what? Also I think Mike, Tom will probably know that and understand that if this is Aaron Rodgers last year, that means I'm even that much further away from being able to win a championship.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Not having losing seasons, yes, that's a great thing. But that's not the end goal. At the end of the day, I think Mike Tomlinson, I, I love him to death as a coach. I, I think he, he walks away. I think I, I'm not, I don't, I don't see the room he's actually firing him. I don't think they make that decision. I think they have a conversation where they allow him the grace to be able to leave, you know, to leave the game or the team in general. On.
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Host 'Unk'
I don't see that happening. I don't see Mike Tomlin walking away from.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
So I don't hold on this. That's. Hold on now, but talk to me now. What you think?
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Host 'Unk'
I think you won't come back, but I don't think they're close. We're going to be in the same situation. The same situation again. The same situation we've been in for the last 15 years.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Mike Tomlin hasn't had a lot. Hasn't had a. Not have. Has not had a non losing season, a non winning season, however you want to because there have been times he's been 508. So.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
So you didn't.
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Host 'Unk'
You, you didn't lose, but you didn't win. But okay, I get that he's 10 and 7 this year. We're gonna be right back here again next year having the same conversation. The same conversation we had in 2012, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25. We've had the same conversation. Chat. Pittsburgh Steeler fans. You know it. Terrible. Towel fans. You know it. How many years, consecutive have we had the conversation? I just want you. But also I want you to know this. T.J. t.J. Watt ain't getting younger. Cam Hayward ain't getting younger.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Right?
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Host 'Unk'
You got J. Ram and. And.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
And.
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Host 'Unk'
And P. The Junior. Okay, they can lock it now. They doing good. The transition has been seamless for Ram from. From corner to safety. Hell of a job. I've always liked him because he was unafraid to tackle. I love that. I love that about a guy. I need my corners to tackle.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Junior, he getting better and better. Better and better.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Which Junior?
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Host 'Unk'
Who?
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Porter Jr. Hey, he nice, huh? He did much better. And he.
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Host 'Unk'
And he talked just like his daddy. His daddy. His daddy had more mouth than a poor hog had ass. And he had to talk chirping. Just like him. Ojo.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Hey, he gonna be in your face all game, too. And he gonna follow you too, huh?
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Host 'Unk'
Yes. I like that.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
He gonna follow you.
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Host 'Unk'
I like that. Now back to the Texans. Here, let me pull up that stats because I don't have my board like I normally would have it in if I was home. Just a second. Chat. CJ was 21 of 32, 251 touchdown, one of the sessions. One interception. He was sacked one. He was sacked three times. Woody Marks had an outstanding game. 19 for 112 and a touchdown. Chubb ran the ball well, 10 for 48. They had 31 rush attempts, 164 yards on the touchdown. I mean, over 400 yards of total offense. That's saying something against that defense because the defense is pretty good. But I was surprised the ease in which. But after a while, you know that you can. The, the, the. The. The. The levy or the dam can only hold so much water before it gives. And you see, they right back on the field. Or so they right back on the field. They right back on the field. And next thing you know, that last touchdown, Ocho, that was fatigue. That defense was exhausted.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Oh, yeah, it was tired.
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Host 'Unk'
It was exhausted.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
If. If, if at any point Aaron Rodgers and that offense and the creativity could have got a string together just to strengthen the field. Just to get emboys some time. Let us rest. Come on now with the three and Out. Come on now with the three and out. And going into the fourth quarter, they had a chance. The Steelers still had a chance going into the fourth quarter. And it was at that point it was too late. They couldn't hold no more. The defense couldn't hold no more.
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Host 'Unk'
I thought the only way the Steelers could win, they got to pick six or they got to scoop and score. As far as moving the ball.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Nah, nah. Again.
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Host 'Unk'
Did you realize The Texas was 10 or 15 on third down?
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Oh, the Steelers. The Steelers was two or what, two or 14 on third.
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Host 'Unk'
Two or 14?
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Two or four? Yeah. Two or 14 on third. You ain't winning no game like that.
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Host 'Unk'
No. Steelers had 175 yards, 13 first downs. There were two or 14. They were two or three on. On fourth downs.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
56 total plays, 175 yards, 175 yards. When you take away the sack yardage that they lost, Bad. They had 175 total yards. Ocho, a team led by Aaron Rodgers, one of the great NFL quarterbacks, one of the great players of all time. They had 175 yards of total offense.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, it's bad, bro.
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Host 'Unk'
They're not good oo. They're not good. And, and. And you're pinning your oo. Think about it. You pin your hopes.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Uhhuh.
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Host 'Unk'
On a 42 year old quarterback with no auxiliary pieces around him.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. You know what? I wouldn't even say you pin your hopes. But you understand what he can do, that veteran presence, knowing that he's been in this position before, he's been to playoff games. Can you muster up just enough to give us a chance?
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Host 'Unk'
No, not when you don't have anything around it. Yeah, yeah, man, I was watching, man. I was watching DK on that ball. He bobbled. Ocho. I don't know how he has his hands. I need to see him up close. I need to have a conversation with him.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
But see, you know, you have.
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Host 'Unk'
He's not. You know what it is? Ocho, not a natural. He's not a natural catcher. He's not a natural catcher of the football.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
I would just.
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Host 'Unk'
You.
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Host 'Unk'
We thinking the same thing.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can tell. You can tell when a receiver is a natural, natural catcher of the football. He. I mean, he's not one. He's a receiver. Yes, but he's not a natural, natural catcher.
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Host 'Unk'
He don't just. He does. He doesn't pluck the ball.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Like, some of the guys just pluck it. You see Chase, how he plucks the ball? Look at Puka Nakua, how he just plucks the ball.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yep.
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Host 'Unk'
Some guys, they just pluck the ball in it. Like, damn, bro, how you just. You just make that look so easy.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
And then other guys fight it. It's like they. They fighting the ball.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, there's a certain. There's a certain art to catching the ball, Uncle.
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Host 'Unk'
It is. That's an art.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
There's a certain art to it where I know people on the outside looking in. Listen, you're a receiver. You're in the NFL. You've been catching the ball all your life, but some make it look easier than others.
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Host 'Unk'
Yes.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
There's a certain. There's a certain state of relaxation.
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Host 'Unk'
Yes.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Not really relaxed.
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Host 'Unk'
Right.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
I don't know. I don't know how to make it make sense, you know, put it into words for. For myself. I can only speak for myself and others that are. Like, natural pass catches the ball. My body was always relaxed, but there was intention to myself that I had to. Where I. I just. I just. I wanted to look pretty.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
You know what I mean? Everything. Everything was with hands. I hate catching. With my body, I hate.
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Host 'Unk'
I think the thing is, Ocho, is that natural pass catchers, like you say, they relax. A lot of times. The db, you're looking at your eyes when the ball is. He's looking at your eyes, and what happens. Eyes get big. Okay, ball's coming.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yep. That's why you got to have late hands. You got.
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Host 'Unk'
You got right hand, you got to relax at the bed Instead of running 5, 6, 7 yards with your hands out like this here, right? Because he going to rake.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Oh, yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Every time I want to wait till the. I want to wait to the very last minute.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
And at all, Paul. I'm trying to. That's why on the go ball. Oh, we tried. The first thing I'm trying to do is I'm trying to stack you.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
I'm trying to get you in a trail position so that way you have to come through me. I don't want you. I don't want to dance with you. I don't want you hip to hip.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
The quarterback got to throw damn near perfect pass.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
You know who's the best receiver I've ever seen in the history of this game at always being in a relaxed state when they catch the ball. Chat watch Randy Moss on deep balls most of the time. When you watch receivers cat deep balls, what's the first thing they stumbling all over the place right out of control most of the time. Even if they do make. Even if they do make the catch. Every time Randy Moss caught a ball, his body was always relaxed and it was with such ease. Every time, whether it was two people, whether it's one person, he. And for the life of me, even when I caught D balls, I was always in a state of. As much as I wanted to relax, I couldn't. I was always out of control or I'd be falling with it.
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Host 'Unk'
He's the best I've seen at being able to run and jump.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yes.
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Host 'Unk'
I can't. I can. Look, bro. Hey, either I'm jumping if 10 yards, 15 yards. I could jump at high pointed right. He could run and, and jump over his shoulder and catch the ball. I couldn't catch the ball like that.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Right, right, right.
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Host 'Unk'
Cuz I jumping like this here. The ball go right through the wicket. I never seen. He the best I've ever seen at it. Being able to run and be 30, 40 yards down the field and jump and catch the ball. I'm like, well, damn if I couldn't high point it. Yeah. DB probably gonna break that one up, cuz. Yeah. It is what it is. I'm just letting you know so. But the Texas man, this is gonna. This is gonna be a dog fight on Sunday when they.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Turnovers. You playing OO in this game right here. You playing. You paying triple? Yeah, we normally say you play double. You paying triple. Cuz both of these defenses are outstanding. Whichever defense can create short fields.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yes.
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Host 'Unk'
For their offense, that's the team that's going to win. If CJ Stroud plays to plays Sunday like he played tonight and also was being. No, what's. What's a note? Nico Collins, he left with a concussion. He took two blows. I. I tweeted he probably done for the night. That's the second blow to the head because he got up after the first one and was woozy. But the magnitude of the game. I'm good.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Hey, I got a two fingers, son. How many fingers I got up? Two. Okay. Okay. You good? You. You good? That second one I said he done. Is he gonna be in concussion protocol? Is he gonna be able to be cleared? Cause, boy, you're asking us. That's a steep mountain to climb without your best offensive weapon.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, well. Well, even with. Even without him, Christian Kirk. Yeah, he was.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
And he. They. Higgins still was. Okay. They still have some other threats and some other weapons over their offense.
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Host 'Unk'
Boy, that secondary, New England boy.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Oh, they nice.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah, man. Gonzalez Jones. I like a little slot number 25.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, I was just getting ready to say, did you see Gonzalez stat line for last. Last game?
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah, a bunch of zeros, man. A bunch of zeros.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, and that. That would be. That would be a great. A great matchup. If Nico Collins can go against Christian Gonzalez, that. That'd be a great matchup. So I mean, listen, it's going to come down to not only that game is going to be one in the trenches, but the game is also going to be decided by quarterback play and is going to have to match Drake May, who has been phenomenal all season long. And in the playoffs, you're gonna have. You're gonna have to match him. Get the defense. The defense gonna show up.
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Host 'Unk'
He can't. He can't play. He can't play like he played tonight. That's not ojo. Let's go. Let's transition right quick. After disappointing loss in a poor performance, AJ Brown left his game worn jersey for teammate Quinion Mitchell, a gesture many believe could signal his final parting gift. AJ Wrote all Pro Q love, bro. Proud of you. Many believe. Many people believe. The gesture seemed odd for Brown to give Mitchell his game warn jersey after not having a great performance. Unless Brown wasn't planning on coming back next season. Oo we know guys ch exchange jerseys all the time. Are we making too much of this or are you reading the tea leaves like a lot of other people are reading the tea leaves?
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Well, well, honestly, when. When you. When you leave a jersey like that and you leave the last game without talking to the media, it lets me know he's probably not going to do the exit meeting. He's probably not going to do the exit meeting because all the players, you see each other the following day anyway because everyone come back to be able to pack your bags. And the fact that he left the jersey with the note on there probably lets me know, you know what? I'm skipping the X meeting. I'm not going to be here anyway. I'm not going to be here anyway. And I think he's already had his mind made up or he might be upset. There are probably conversations that are going to be had between every A.J. brown and. And Lurie and Mr. Roseman and. And what they're going to decide to do with him next year. But listen, I heard some comments from Jalen Hurts that, you know, he talked with A.J. brown after the game that, that we're good. So if there's anything you want to know, you might have to ask him, but I don't think reporters will have the opportunity to ask him because he's already made his mind up.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah. Ocho normally adjusted like this.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yes.
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Host 'Unk'
You fold the jersey up, you leave it. You don't leave it for all to see. Hey, bro, I left that for you. Yeah, you want your. We don't done it now. I mean, I. We. That. That's. That's how it's normally done.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yes.
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Host 'Unk'
Already discussed it.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey. Hey. What you. Hey. Oh, that's. That's tough, man. Especially I. I hate that if that is AJ Brown's last game. I hate that this is what we're left of it from him as a Philadelphia Eagle, as one of the better receivers in the league, and, you know, having somewhat, you know, by his standards, having a down year like this and collecting anybody, any.
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Host 'Unk'
Receive any number one, though those are barely number two stats. Yeah, he's a number one. Ocho. When we talk about him now, I'm not. He's a number one.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yes.
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Host 'Unk'
He's what Chase is. He's what Pickens or CD is. He's what Jeddah is. Whatever. Nico Collins, he's that. He's that guy. He's their guy. And for him to have the kind of season that he had and it culminated when they absolutely needed him the most, he didn't show up when they absolutely needed him the most. OO and that's what happens when you complain.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
We're not getting you the ball. We're not giving you the ball. Okay. There were several times we gave you every opportunity, even as bad as you played up until that point. Ocho on Third down. You dropped that one. If you want to say the win was playing tricks on me, I misjudged it. Okay, I. I concede all that, although I don't believe you misjudged it. I'll give you that just for the benefit of the doubt. Oh, you'll like to give benefit of the doubt or like he said he liked to play. Let him play devil's advocate, Ocho, but when I threw you that in. Cut. Okay, now what? Yeah, that ball hit you in the hands.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Right through your hands.
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Host 'Unk'
Right through. He had another. He had another dig. He dropped that one. He had. He had the goalball on the right side. He dropped that one. I don't know. Maybe he didn't see it. Maybe he saw it late. Maybe he saw the safety. But all I know is, in a.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Playoff game, you got to have that.
- [32:29]
Host 'Unk'
I'm laying out for that.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, you got to have it.
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Host 'Unk'
I'm just saying it is what it is. Like I said, maybe he misjudged it. Maybe the wind caught it. He thought it was going to land in his hands and the wind caught it and blew it down. Or maybe it took it farther, but. Oh, you got to lay out for that. It's the playoffs. Yeah, I heal up after the season, but I. I'm just. I'm just. I'm just confused by. And the thing was, oo. After every game early, he was sitting there, and he would answer every reporter's questions about the offense. And when he laid an egg Sunday, which he did, he had nothing to say.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, he didn't want to talk.
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Host 'Unk'
Oh, Joe. He had been talking all year. He had been contaminating the locker room, everybody having. How many times did they ask Sirianni? Ocho, you never had Mike Brown have to ask you to tone it down. Mike. Mr. Bola, rest his soul, Art Model, rest his soul. Never had to ask me to tone it down.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
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Host 'Unk'
You had all of this to say when you weren't getting the ball. Now, I want you to be man enough to stand. You had some opportunities. AJ what happened? That ain't how you do business.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yes, sir.
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Host 'Unk'
That ain't how you do business, Ocho. We've all had games we'd like to have back, but you can't ask for something and then when you get it. That. That's a. That's a horrible look. Yeah, that is a horrible, horrible look. Eagles fans, I think they're probably fed up with it. I know some of his teammates fed up with it. Because you know what? Ocho you know what I'm fed up with? If I have to answer questions, you ain't asking me about the game, you got me asking questions about A.J. brown. Yeah. Yeah.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
I think, I think some players probably would be fed up with it. Some, you know, that are friends of his, you know, outside of the game of football. Probably not. They. They maybe have a better understanding on what he's going through, depending on who it is. But you have some, like linemen, like linebackers, like those that are on the defensive side of the ball that might be sick of it. You know, it's. He's not even just. I'm just saying for better context and perspective, he's not the first one to walk out and not wanting to talk to the media. I think if I'm not mistaken, I think Cam. Cam. Was it the super bowl after the super bowl loss?
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Host 'Unk'
Yes, Cam.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Skip. Cam. Skipped out on the Super. On the, on the.
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Host 'Unk'
Can't do that.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, you. You can't do that. So the frustration is built up and, and most of the time they tell you before you talk to the media after bad game cool down, take some time before you answer questions. But actually just leaving and not talking to him at all. You can't, you can't do that.
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Host 'Unk'
Let me ask you a question. Ocho did it before he talked to the media when he wasn't catching balls. Did he calm down before he had a conversation with the media? So just like you stood up there and you talked to them about how you would like to have the ball, like you would be a part of the evolve this. Yes, because they want to say, well, they involved you today. A.J. what happened?
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hey, listen. Hey, they were, hey, that, that Philadelphia media after a game like that. And you got. Man, it's too. It's. It's two. I think I'm thinking the Philadelphia media and the New York media.
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Host 'Unk'
Yes, boy. Yes, boy.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Having to deal with them.
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Host 'Unk'
I agree. Ocho, you get no disagreement from me. Absolutely. Because they love blue collar. They love. Especially Philly. Let's just take Philly. We'll talk about New York media at a later date in time. Philly, like lunch pail, blue collar, hard working guys, guys that punch. Punch clocks, sanitation workers, construction workers. Late. You know, I'm saying late. They. That's what they love. That's what Philly is. Hard hats and lunch pails. They love those type of guys.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
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Host 'Unk'
And my only thing is. And, and, and. But I think, you know, look, I didn't know that I was gonna be in the media like I was. But as I got. Gotten money, you know, and people started saying, man, you. You really should do media. You really should do media. And I like, okay, so in my off time, I would go. Go do CBS of anybody. I would go. You know, I wasn't in the playoffs. I would go talk, or when someone wanted to talk, I would talk. Ocho.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Right, Right.
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Host 'Unk'
But it's. It's. It's. I've just always been wired like this. When things go good, I gotta stay if I would, because, boy, they had. Hey, they. They breaking down. All right, we good. We got everything. We did. Hey, you didn't. You want to ask me any more questions? I had a good game today. Hey, we played well today. But when things went bad.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Shannon Sharp had one catch. Shannon Sharp had two catches. Shannon didn't have the type of numbers that he used to see. Shannon didn't impact the game. We lost. Now, I gotta be man enough to stand there and tell you I didn't play well. Let's start with that first. Shannon didn't play well. We didn't play well as a team. But I feel if I play better, I'm the. I'm the party starter, right? I'm the one that get it kick started. I'm the one that they look to get everybody going. That was my job, Right. I'm the drum major. They take their keys from me, and I let them down, and that's on me. I wasn't ready to play. And in turn, they fed off my energy. And we seemed, as an offensive unit, we weren't ready to play. You got to stand there, and sometimes, Ocho, you got to stand there and face the music. And it's not always easy. Anybody can talk. When you win it.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
Again, Ocho, when you got a buck fifty and two tubs, man got that OO up there.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey.
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Host 'Unk'
Oh, he up there hammering. Damn. O. But when you lose, you got to stand up there. And I'm not saying you kick with it, but, hey, you got to have a tone. Yes. I'm disappointed because I let the team down.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. And you. Oh, you know what? And the funny thing about it, you talking to the choir. How many win scenes I had in Cincinnati in 11 years?
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Host 'Unk'
Yes.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
So I had to have those tough conversations. I had that media savviness to be able to navigate, you know, in front of those reporters whether they had a good game or whether I had a bad game. And you got to understand, for me, it was even worse because I created a circus In a fun way. So it was even worse for me and much more difficult to stand there and have those conversations when we were losing.
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Host 'Unk'
But I think the fans in Cincinnati know the decade that you was there. Although you didn't have the winning that you would want, they don't feel you ever quit on the team?
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Oh, never. That I can't unk. I got to play for them stripes.
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Host 'Unk'
Unk.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
My name is on the back of the jersey when we on tv.
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Host 'Unk'
There you go.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
I ain't had a choice. I got to come to the party. I got to be the life of the party. I understood that I would do everything I can to do what we can, to do what I can to make sure we win and make everyone else's job around me easy, easier. My quarterback, Carson, before every game. Boy, your job gonna be easy today. Coach Lewis, man, go ahead and relax, man. Say you get you a cigarette. Smoke on the sideline. I got you.
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Host 'Unk'
They used to smoke on the sideline. They don't let them do it anymore.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, that, that's why, that's why I said. I said cold. You could be living.
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Host 'Unk'
They used to let them, they used to let them wear suits on the side. You could wear fedoras. You could wear all kinds. Now you got to wear NFL issued equipment. Yeah, because, you know, they tried to sell product.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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Host 'Unk'
You know, coaches used to have, you know, advertising with, with shirts and, and suits and manufacturers, so. Oh, that's a. Such and such suit worn by such and such. Dan Reeves. I mean, Coach Reeves would have, you know, a suit deal.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Oh, remember, remember the classic. The iconic picture with Lynn Dawson for the Kansas City Chiefs sitting when he.
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Host 'Unk'
Smoking on the sideline?
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Co-host 'Ocho'
No, sit in the locker room. Halftime.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Lynn Dawson smoking. Yeah. Oh, that's an iconic picture.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah, the guys used. The guy used to smoke at halftime. Ocho, you'd go like, you would go. And guys would be outside the locker room smoking. Oh, that's when I got in the early 90s. Now they, they went away from that in the 90s.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, that was more so the 80s.
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Host 'Unk'
It was 60s, 70s, 80s.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Right.
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Host 'Unk'
But when I got to the league in 90.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
I never forget playing in the old Coliseum. The Raiders.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Uhhuh.
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Host 'Unk'
Man, I'm walking to the thing. Greg Townsend sitting on his helmet.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
For real.
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Host 'Unk'
What up? Shot. Yes.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, that's crazy. That's crazy.
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Host 'Unk'
Yes. But a lot of guys. There are a lot of guys that smoked. I had teammates. Oh, they got. We got a lunch break. They going straight to the car.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. You know, when I think about it too, when I think about it, I think about back then, the 80s, I mean 70s, 80s, early 90s. You think about today, in today's game, I mean, not cigarettes, but they smoking something else.
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Host 'Unk'
They smoking weed. Yes, for sure.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
No, they, they smoking something else. So it's kind of the same thing. It just wasn't going on at halftime, right?
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Host 'Unk'
Yes, yes, yes. But his cap hit is, AJ's cap hit is 23.4 million.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
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Host 'Unk'
A trade dead cap hit is 43.5 million. A pre June 1st trade means Eagles would take it on the fourth largest single season dead cap hit in history. A 20 million dollar cap hit. The question is, are the Eagles that fed up with AJ Brown? I personally believe they are.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
You think so?
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Host 'Unk'
I do. I personally believe they are.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. I think they might, they might be at a crossroads where they don't want to deal with the problem anymore. Don't want to.
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Host 'Unk'
He don't want to be there.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, he doesn't want to be there. And also what you can do is you're not going to be able to replace A.J. brown. Now. You can get pieces to help you offensively.
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Host 'Unk'
Yeah.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Maybe make up some of the production or lack thereof. Production. But we know what it can do. We know what it can do when he's on the offense that is flowing the right way. Let's think about the way they look when they established the running game and were able to throw their way into games every week because the running game was doing so well. That super bowl, that super bowl run. Yeah, they didn't have that this year. There was no off the creativity. Everything was, was very, very vague. You know, and the fact that I can sit here and watch a goddamn Philadelphia Eagles game and tell you what routes are going to be like that and if I could do it and I'm sitting at home, what you think the people that watch film all goddamn week are doing.
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Host 'Unk'
I agree. I think Ocho, for me in chat, let me know what you think. I think the easiest marriage is to get out of is that when both people want a divorce, the hard one is that when one wants to stay in, the other wants out. But when both parties realize that it's best for us to terminate this marriage, those should be easy.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
But hold on. Also, you know what happens, you know, assessing after when both one apart and you think the grass is green on the other side because the grass is really green. As bad as you may think it is over here in Philly. But one thing you know About Philly in that organization is there built structurally to always have a chance at a goddamn Lombardi every effing year. Every year.
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Host 'Unk'
Oo, you know the. We got a very special guest joining us tonight. Oo. What's up, nephew? Tackles, two pass defenders defending, and he's a part of the Cardiac Bears. Here he is. Hey, corner CB1. JJ Jalen Johnson. Jay, how you doing, bro?
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Guest Jalen Johnson
What's up, man? Good to see y' all again.
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Host 'Unk'
Good to see. Hey, hey. When you come on Nightcap, you normally have to get to come back later this season. Yeah. Because you had a Pro bowl all Pro season or your team's in the playoff. That's just the way it pans out.
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Guest Jalen Johnson
No doubt, 100%.
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Host 'Unk'
So that game is not going the way you want it. They're going up and down the field. Jordan Love, three touchdowns in the first half, 21 to three. I mean, so what's going. So walk us through the locker room at halftime. What did Ben Johnson say? What were some of the leaders saying? And then the start of that fourth quarter, what was the sideline like?
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Guest Jalen Johnson
Honestly, it was. It was honestly a crazy tournament events. Like, we of course come out, we turned up, we ready to go, and then we go down 213 and it's like, man, everybody shut the hell up. Ain't no more talking. Yeah, now ain't no more hoorah. And I just remember Kevin Byer the whole time he was like, man, talking ain't gonna help us execute.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Like, we to need.
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Guest Jalen Johnson
Need to stop talking and doing all this and settle in. And then really just at halftime, that was the biggest thing. Like, it can't get no worse than this. Like, I mean, at the end of the day, it's. It's 21 3. We almost 21 blow. But I think too, like, coach showed us a video, like a whole breakdown during the. During camp of the Falcons and Patriots game when they went up 28. 3. And wow, all that and just shows like the composure. Yeah, he showed that. That to us early. So just like talking to Joe Tuney, telling because he was on the winning side of it and then Jared was on the losing side of it. So having both of them give their perspectives on it and then it really just. He brought it back up. Like, this is that moment. Like, think back to the conversation that we had and what it took for. For them to get back into it just one possession at a time. Defense gets stops offense start putting points on the board. And that was really it. So when we came out on defense it was like, man, we got to get stopped if we, we figured if they didn't score no more, then we'll win the game. So. But that's all we were focused on really, on defense, just executing and playing more aggressive.
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Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, what is, what has it been like? That entire culture has shifted because of one man obviously having, having a, having a quarterback like Caleb Williams and you get someone, a coach, a player friendly coach as, as I like to call it in, Ben Johnson and coming in there, is he the whole reason for the reason you guys are having, the kind of success you guys are having?
- [46:55]
Guest Jalen Johnson
I mean, it's hard to say the sole reason, I think for one, just the timing, I would say of everything. And the only person get credit for that is God, of course. But yeah, I think really just the timing of when Ben got here, when Caleb got here, when a lot of these pieces all got here. I think it'd be different if he got here three, four years ago. The team looked different, situation is different. But I'll definitely say his leadership, his competitiveness has definitely changed the trajectory of how we looked at approaching games. And again too. I mean he can be a good leader all you want, but you dialing it up on offense as well. And he's always been doing that. I think just the way he controls the game, even going into that game, he's like, if we win it, we want to receive, we want to control the tempo, control the ball. And it's like, no man, I never heard nobody say this. Oh, we want to be, let's go out there and set the tone. It's like, no, let us get the ball, let us control the tempo, let it take some of the time off and things like that. So he's definitely ahead of it.
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Host 'Unk'
When he's an officer minded coach, he wants to attack, he's an offensive minded coach, he wants to attack. He's like, oh, they think they got a defense, no doubt. We want the ball. We go show them. We go, we go take this ball and go right down to their field. There was a throw and I know you saw it on the sideline, that one, that Caleb, that's your season. If you don't make that, that's 4th and 11. If you don't get that JJ, your season's over. He fought, he's rolling to his left, he, he backs and stumbles and throws a dime for 15.
- [48:21]
Guest Jalen Johnson
When you saw that, he's more accurate going that way. That's the crazy part. Like, it's like as backwards as it sounds. It's like you don't even want to flush him to his left because he'll still get it off accurate. But when he threw it, it was just like, man, what the.
- [48:34]
Host 'Unk'
Oh, okay.
- [48:37]
Guest Jalen Johnson
It was just like one of those.
- [48:38]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Was like.
- [48:39]
Guest Jalen Johnson
You think like, man, it's over. He out here doing crazy stuff and it works. So I think I can't even say it works. That's just part of his game. Like, at this point, it's not even something that you can just say is that just happens or magical genius, like, nah, he's like, he's legit at that. And he does it in practice. He's been clearly been doing this forever. So it's just. It's just really who he is. And it's funny because I think it was yesterday came in. I've seen him. It might have been a day I seen him say, hey, man, Sometimes I gotta look a man in the eye and just say, say good job. You're doing a heck of a job. Because some of the stuff he does is. Is crazy. That's not something you'll see every day.
- [49:11]
Host 'Unk'
I mean, I'm looking at you guys. You guys were down with less than two minutes to go to the Raiders. 24:19. Win that game. You're down to. You're down to the. You're down to the Bengals with 19 seconds. You win that game, you're down against the. The Vikings with four seconds. You win that game. Second and goal, 27:16. Green Bay, 418 on the clock and you win that game. How do you guys been able to maintain your composure when all seems lost like, damn, how we find ourselves in that situation and somehow you guys make a play on defense, you get a stop, and then when you turn the ball back over to Caleb in that offense, they cash it in.
- [49:54]
Guest Jalen Johnson
I think execution brings confidence. And I think at the end of the day, for us, we've been able to execute it down the stretch over and over. And with that, you naturally have confidence where it's like, all we got to do is give my opportunity to close the game out or put it in our hands to close the game out. I think that's really the mentality, the mindset. As long as there's time on the clock, we got a way to win. So I mean, it's just one of those things where it's switch force. I mean, for a long time it's been the exact opposite where we find ways to lose the damn game. So I think for us in this building, in this culture, and what we're, what we have now, we find ways to win.
- [50:26]
Host 'Unk'
There's a viral video going on where you're kneeling down, tricking on Christian Watson on the final play of the game. Walk us through that moment. What was going. What were you saying to him and what made you do that?
- [50:37]
Guest Jalen Johnson
Yeah, I mean, of course everybody's seen the prayer video when I prayed for him when he injured his knee, but really, I think for me it was just really going back in. And I don't even say checking on him, but just telling him like, way to push through, way to battle back and come back from what he's. What, what he injured and all that. And of course, just competitive. I mean, he's still fast and still run, still blazing. I think it's just a, Just a blessing to just see him out there. So, I mean, of course, after the second game and we don't. Or the second and third game, we don't have to see each other no more. Definitely wanted to take that time and tell him, like, nah, like, I'm proud of you and how you bounce back. And I feel like that was something I, I don't want to say owed him, but feel like it's something I had in my heart to do.
- [51:16]
Host 'Unk'
A lot has been made about being in the locker room saying f the packers after the win.
- [51:20]
Guest Jalen Johnson
Yeah.
- [51:22]
Host 'Unk'
I mean, and then you see him, I mean, he almost like. I mean, he ran up the hat. You know, normally the coaches, they run up there, they shake each other hand, they. They lean in. Good luck. Hey, wish you the best, man. Being read that thing like this here. Like, hey, like he, like he stole the man TV earlier that day and then what the man slick him in the line.
- [51:39]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
- [51:42]
Guest Jalen Johnson
I mean, honestly, it's one of those things where it's like, it's good to see that competitive. I feel like people pick and choose when they want people to be competitive and they want the coach to be aggressive and competitive. And then when he shows it and so he's, he's this, he's that. It's like either you want the competitiveness or you don't. I mean, at the end of the day, too, it's a rivalry. Coaches have hidden rivalries. I mean, they've been competing for a long time against each other. I mean, at the end of the day, it is what it is. He's embracing that Chicago nature too, at the end of the day.
- [52:08]
Host 'Unk'
Yeah.
- [52:08]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, you guys obviously have the Rams coming up and obviously not wanting to give a game plan away, but I think what do you guys think? Yeah, defensively, to be able not to stop, but to contain Devonte Adams, Puga Nakua and Matt Stafford and those boys.
- [52:23]
Guest Jalen Johnson
Offensively, I think guys like me gotta strap up. I think it's kind of just as simple as that because, I mean, it's not only so much too high you can play, they gonna run the ball. So, I mean, it's not like you can just hide and try to just do all these things. I mean, at the end of the day, guys who get paid to cover or go out there and cover and shoot the rush got to hit home as well. So I mean, hopefully there's some. We gonna have something. I mean, it's Monday, so I mean, we got, we got some time to figure out how to execute it. But I know especially for me, this is a pride game. I go into this game more than. More than excited, more than willing and able to go handle whatever needs to get handled. So I mean, for myself, I'm just preparing myself for that. But I know everybody on the back end, we all gotta. We all got to step up and really take pride in this game because, I mean, it's going to go through. It's going to go through Puka, it's going to go through devonte. And the big boys up front gotta handle the running back and the quarterback. So that's really how I'm looking at it.
- [53:15]
Host 'Unk'
Yeah, because you, I mean, you look at it like, well, it ain't no. Like, well, I follow this guy, you follow that guy. Because both of the guys. So, hey, either one of these guys, you know, can go off on a giver. And Puk is so physical, people don't realize how big Puka is. People think because he lines up in the slot. Jay, is that he a small guy? No, big as hell.
- [53:38]
Guest Jalen Johnson
He got them Polynesian bones.
- [53:40]
Host 'Unk'
Yeah. Who could be out there with no tape? Who could be out there just, just, just rolling.
- [53:49]
Guest Jalen Johnson
It is funny because it's like for me, I'm like. I went to school with his brother Samson, so I like, know the family, been around him, talk to him at the Pro bowl. And it's like if you knew his family, you know how like, nice he is. And like, it's almost. He has plenty of, like, athletic family members. They all play basketball. Super crazy athletic. And it's like for him to be the youngest doing what he's doing, it's really no surprise to me because, I mean, we were trying to get him at Utah.
- [54:14]
Host 'Unk'
Yeah, look, you dealt with a core muscle injury. I Think they call it a sports hernia. Is that what you.
- [54:21]
Guest Jalen Johnson
Because that's not what I had.
- [54:23]
Host 'Unk'
That's not what you have. So what did you have?
- [54:25]
Guest Jalen Johnson
No, I had tour. So initially, I tore my, like, adductor. So it's like, with all those things kind of connected from the adductor going into the pelvic and then from the core going into the pelvic. Once you kind of tear one, you kind of more likely gonna tear the other one. So in Detroit, I end up tearing pretty much the core part of that connection. And then naturally, I had some damage leaking to my other side, so I really got both sides repaired. Growing and core.
- [54:51]
Host 'Unk'
Wow.
- [54:52]
Co-host 'Ocho'
So you good now, though, huh?
- [54:54]
Guest Jalen Johnson
Yeah. I mean, as far as, like, my surgery injury go, but it's like the rehab is. Is almost never ended, almost for about a year, because, I mean, all the scar tissue builds up and being in the position that I'm in, sliding, moving laterals. So it's. It's been. It's been tough on me, honestly, because it's like, when you know you can't move how you normally move, you start overcompensating. Now your mind is messed up, and now you're like, man, do I got it? Like, what am I? So now it's like, for me, that's really what I was fighting, like, the first three, four weeks. I mean, being in pain, taking damn numbing shots, and for the games to be able to go. I mean, it's really been a lot. Hey, it's. No, it's been some stuff, and people. Oh, man. Jalen's not healthy. You damn right I'm not all the way healthy. But I think, really, just for me, just continuing to. Just continue to attack the rehab. I just got off the massage table a few hours ago, so just trying to just continue, give myself the best chance to win. But I'm looking forward to a full off season to get really healthy.
- [55:52]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Hey, listen, if you talk about getting healthy in the off season, you.
- [55:54]
Guest Jalen Johnson
You might know. I know where to go for a look.
- [55:57]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Where? Where?
- [55:58]
Guest Jalen Johnson
To you. I'm calling you up.
- [56:02]
Co-host 'Ocho'
There you go. I got you. I got you. Listen, on the field, off the field. But I. I'm also. I have a meal plan that you can have me next year as your nutritionist. I had you right?
- [56:12]
Guest Jalen Johnson
I'm already on it. I just had me and McGriddle McMuffin the other day.
- [56:16]
Co-host 'Ocho'
See, that's why.
- [56:17]
Guest Jalen Johnson
See, I'm trying to tell you. I'll bring it to the facility, ask the guys about me, I bring McDonald's Chickfila breakfast every Saturday.
- [56:23]
Co-host 'Ocho'
That you see. You see why he's so great at what he do?
- [56:26]
Host 'Unk'
Huh?
- [56:27]
Guest Jalen Johnson
I've been taking notes for show for show. You got to get people what they want.
- [56:32]
Host 'Unk'
See, if he's eating the chicken breast and he was eating, you know, grill stuff, he wouldn't had that. Oh, but. But that's. But that's the. That's the part that people don't see. Is that what an athlete does just to be able to go out there?
- [56:47]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
- [56:48]
Host 'Unk'
And then when you don't put up the numbers, you've been. When you don't put up the numbers or you're not playing like you're supposed to play, they the quick. The first thing, they holler, oh, he washed, bro. The man had surgery. He just came back. He's having to take injections just to get his ass out there. But you know what? All they see is one with Johnson.
- [57:07]
Guest Jalen Johnson
On the back of that jersey.
- [57:08]
Host 'Unk'
They don't care, but they don't care how you got. You could have drove a bulldozer to get to the game. You there now?
- [57:15]
Guest Jalen Johnson
Yeah, N. And it's funny, because it's like, that's why I'm glad. Like, I'm not on social media, because, like, I don't see it. I just kind of hear from my people that are on it. But it's just like, for me, it's like I know what I'm going through, and it's like, realistically, I shouldn't even have came back. When I came back, like, I took every measure to try to push my body, push myself, and it's like, all y' all see is, oh, yeah, Jalen's not healthy. It's like, yeah, but Jalen's also still giving the team the best chance to win, like, regardless of me being healthy or not. But, I mean, for me, I ain't worried about it. At the end of the day, I know. I know what I can do, and I know I'm getting better, and you can see it on the tape. So, I mean, at the end of the day, that's all I can. That's all I can ask for.
- [57:51]
Host 'Unk'
Well, we're glad you're back, man. Hopefully you get healthy, but hopefully the off season get.
- [57:56]
Co-host 'Ocho'
You get to push that back a.
- [57:57]
Guest Jalen Johnson
Little bit, because right now, I ain't going home.
- [58:00]
Host 'Unk'
You got some big fish to fry right now.
- [58:02]
Guest Jalen Johnson
I ain't going home right now, so.
- [58:04]
Host 'Unk'
Man, congratulations on unbelievable season. Glad you got an opportunity to come back, stay healthy, go out there. Hey, you one step closer.
- [58:12]
Guest Jalen Johnson
No doubt.
- [58:14]
Host 'Unk'
One step closer, man. Congratulations. Hey, when y' all take care of that? Get to get that win on Sunday. Come toleration. Come holl at us.
- [58:22]
Co-host 'Ocho'
I'll be back.
- [58:23]
Guest Jalen Johnson
Trust me.
- [58:24]
Host 'Unk'
I appreciate it. Jalen Johnson, cornerback, Chicago Bears. They play Sunday, take on the Los Angeles Rams. See, Ocho, I mean, it's hard.
- [58:36]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
- [58:37]
Host 'Unk'
Oh, yeah. Surgery during the season and. And then come back, you rehab it.
- [58:41]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah.
- [58:42]
Host 'Unk'
I know you're not training.
- [58:43]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, I. I understand. Huh. You know. You know. Well, I. I can't say I know. I've had teammates that have had to do it, and, you know, they want, you know, you want. You want to get back fast as possible. Because one thing you don't want to happen is whoever is your backup, you don't want him to get in there.
- [58:57]
Host 'Unk'
And start balling out.
- [58:59]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah, start balling that. You don't want that.
- [59:02]
Host 'Unk'
What you don't want is, oh, we winning games without him. Oh, he do got a big number to watch. Why you Ocho, now that you. Now that you mentioned it, Ocho. Yeah, you do got a big number. And oh, boy, ain't like we had substantial drop off, right? He making 18, 19 million. Oh, boy. Making two.
- [59:28]
Co-host 'Ocho'
Yeah. Let's get. Let's get this up.
- [59:32]
Host 'Unk'
That's why them quarterbacks. Quarterback don't even let you take Neil down.