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Nightcap - Hour 1: The Nuggets beat the Thunder to force a game 7, KD has an interesting take on X!
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Shannon Sharpe
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Sean Marion
The volume.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us as the Denver Nuggets force a game seven with a 119107 victory over a OKC. They got production from where they needed it. Nikola Jokic was sensational tonight. 29 points, 14 rebounds, 8 assists. He got 25 points from Jamal Murray, 23 points from Christian Braun. But it was Strother off the bench that gave. That was four, four from the free throw line and three or four from the three point line. Four of eight from the field. They gave him 15 big points off the bench and that was the difference as they win by 12, 119 to 107oo. We've got a game seven. Game seven. I guess if you play a series sports, no phrase is more important than game seven. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know me, I am your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of fame honoree, the pro bowler, the all Pro, that's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from, every subscriber counts. We thank you for counting. We thank you for mattering. We also thank you for helping us matter. I don't know if you saw this today, Ocho, but YouTube came out with their top 100 podcast even though we. Huh? You saw it?
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Guest
No, I didn't see it. You know Unc, I've been with all the rookies today.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Talk to me now we Shay Shay Media have two shows in the top 100. Club Shae Shay at number seven. Number 28 is Nightcap. Now there are some bad. You know, the thing is on show that's not really what we. We getting better at it and we're.
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Sean Marion
Gonna get even better.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But once we get back in our element, which is the NFL season.
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Guest
Yes sir.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We gonna climb back up in that top 10 like where we supposed to be.
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Guest
Listen, but, but look at. You gotta understand how good it is for that not to be our element, obviously. And we us doing what we doing right now and still be at 28.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
28 out of 100. And we're in front of some pods, Ocho, that basketball is their specialty. So it just goes to show you that our fans, that they respect what we do, they support what we do and they're going to tune into what we do. So we can't thank you guys enough. Also joining us, we have a very special guest to talk this game tonight. His nickname was the Matrix. He's a four time All Star, two time All NBA, an NBA champion with the Mavs. His number 31 jersey is retired with the Phoenix Suns. And ladies and gentlemen, here he is, Sean the Matrix. Marion Matrix. What's going on bro?
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Sean Marion
You good?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What's up? What's up?
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Sean Marion
What's good man?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We good bro. Thanks for joining us. We'll get right to you in just a second. Please make sure you go check out Shay by La Portier. We do have it in stock. The best is the best tasting bsop Premium cognac on the market. Now if you cannot find it in a city or state near you order it at and we'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company 84. With 84 being spelled out, we do nice things like this. The link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. Tickets for our Not Safe for Work tour are on sale eight stops. Baltimore, Philly, Charlotte, Los Angeles, Miami, NYC, Chicago and Detroit. Tickets can be found at shayshay media.com tour that's shayshaymedia.com tour go get your tickets now and catch out your favorite unk and oo as we come to a city near you. Ah, Matrix. We got a Game 7. The Denver Nuggets do what I thought they would do going home. They hold serve and they force a game seven, 119 to 107. You got great contributions. You got five guys in double figures led by Nicola Jokic, 2914 8. Jamar Murray had 25, eight assists. Christian Brown had 23 points, 11 big rebounds. He had five assists. Michael Porter Jr. He came to the party tonight. He didn't take many shots, but he made the shots that he took. He made those count. He had 10 points, but it was Strother off the bench. They gave him 15 big points. He was 3 of 4 from the three three point line and 4 of 8 from the free throw. Excuse me, from the field, watching this game Matrix, what did you like about what you saw from the Nuggets? Because I thought they took control early in the first quarter and then they kind of let it slip away in the second quarter. They regained it in the third quarter and then went cruised home in the fourth quarter. It was tough nip and tuck, but they broke the game open. What did you like about what you saw from the Nuggets tonight?
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Sean Marion
Championship pedigree. You got two of the best closers in the game right now with Joker and Murray. Man, Murray stepped up big. You know, he came up. They said he was sick before the game, but, man, you know, I. I think he's. He's. He's special, man. I think he don't get enough credit as he deserved, man. I think he. You can last two minutes to get him. That's a tough team to beat, man.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what I like? I like the fact that they're really aggressive. They shot 32 free throws tonight, so that tells me they're not. They weren't settling. They were trying to put pressure on the. The OKC defense. No, this is a very good defensive team. They got guys that can offend. They switch everything. They got two bigs that can protect the paint. You got Jalen Williams, who's a great defender. Lou Dort, you have Caruso, Isaiah, Joe Wiggins, Wallace. You got guys. They got about six or seven guys that can defend the wing, and they switch everything because they don't want to try to. They don't want to help and leave guys wide open. And I thought the Nuggets did a great job tonight. Matrix of putting the ball on the floor, trying to get the ball to the rim. And they drew a lot of foul. They shot 32 free throw attempts. It was 27 of 32, and the. The Thunder was only 10 of 16, and Shay Gil just shot 11 of the 16 free throws. I thought Jalen Williams, he was off tonight. He was 3 or 16 from the floor or 4 from 3, and he didn't get to the free throw line at all. Hardenstein, he doesn't really normally get to the free throw line. Lou Dort didn't get to the free throw line. But when you only got three guys and they take all your free. All 16, that tells me you're not nearly aggressive enough. And maybe you settle a little bit more for threes than you. You should have.
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Sean Marion
Yeah, they need somebody else step up tonight. You know, I think when you look at this game, you know, they're a young team. You know, I think they're. They're. They're growing. They're getting better as they keep playing. But, man, you know, I think the execution of Denver just, Just prevailed. And they just. Man, they played smarter. They took care of the ball when they needed to. They had too many mistakes out There young mistakes, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a mentality of these young teams that they, I love okc. They play hard, you know, they play great with their hands, but I think sometimes they just seem like they going nostalgically, going through the motions at times and, and they just, they get up, they get off the, they pump the brakes a little bit when they need to be putting their foot foot on their pedal and taking it to another level. They showing signs they can do it. They're a resilient team. But when the, the mistakes catching up with them, they, they turn the ball a little too much.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, and they're not a three point shooting team. Ocho, they were 11 or 40 tonight they were 20, 27 and a half percent. Julian Straur, he hit more threes than any player on okc. And so we knew that. Look, the big guns, they got a fire tonight. Joker and Murray, they did that. Now where else can we get some production? Because they needed those points because in the fourth quarter he had some big threes, he got a couple of rebounds and put some put backs because you look at it, OKC's bench is better ways better than the Nuggets bench. And so they needed some production off that bench and Julian Strother gave that to them. 15 points, a career playoff high. Three or four from the three point line. I thought Christian Brown was fab fabulous tonight. 23 points. OO 11 of rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals. He was 3 of 6 from the 3 point line. He had more points than J Dub, he had more rebounds than Hardenstein, more steals than Caruso and more made threes than Shay. He's the youngest player in franchise history with a 2010 five and three game and playoff. In a playoff game. Jamar Murray has 25 points in playoff games. I mean think about it. Jamar Murray has more 25 point playoff games than Devin Booker, Jalen Brunson, Joel Embiid, Kevin Garnett, Tracy McGrady, Bill Russell, Derrick Rose, Penny Hardaway, Chauncey Billups and Vince Carter. We don't look at Jamal like that because he's never been on the all NBA team. He's never been an all star. But as metrics as you're saying, he can ball and the moment he's a big, he's like James Worthy. He's a big game player. The bigger the game, the better he plays. He knew his backup was his back was against the wall. If I don't play well, the series is over. In six games. Let's get it back to OKC and let's see who can handle the pressure more better, we or them. I love the way they played tonight. I love the championship medal. As Matrix mentioned, the Nugget show, what did you like about what you saw from the Nuggets?
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Guest
Oo I mean, obviously they played well. They suffocated. They suffocated. I'm. I'm just going to say it. I feel they suffocated.
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Sean Marion
The.
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Guest
The goddamn. The Thunder. It was one on four. I'm just. I'm. I'm g. Call it like that. It was, it was one on five actually. Because Shay was the only one that showed up tonight. Even though he, he. He had 28 points, but he only had two assists and he had four turnovers. But y. Joker doing what he does and goddamn Jamal Murray with 25 tonight. Listen, they. They set the tone. You expect a game like this, you want to be able. A young team like that, that can. That's up and down the floor, they play good defense. You want to be able to close out a game like this, huh? You want to be able to. But obviously the Nuggets having that championship pedigree and, and being that they've been in this position before, they were able to pull this game off. The fact that sh. The fact that it was a game of this, this much importance and Shay was the only one to show up tonight and nobody else did. Lou Dort, Hardenstein, Jalen Williams, they played. They played bad. They played bad. Now I don't know if. If maybe they might have been tired. They may, they may want to get the game seven and then just pull a, pull a rabbit. Pull up a rabbit out the hat or something.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, you can't chance that, Ocho, because you a rolled ankle, you an elbow, you are you, You a bad play, you are you a push, you lose your composure, you. You're one player away from being out of this thing. And so you never, you never put off tomorrow what you can get done today. I get that, you know, in front of our home crowd. But your home crowd doesn't guarantee you a win. And so that's why I would be.
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Sean Marion
Look.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And plus the Nuggets have been in game seven. They've been here, they've done that, they're battle tested, they got a three time league MVP and they got one of the best big game finishers in Jamal Murray in the NBA. So I wouldn't want to test that. I thought Chet played really good today. He was 8 or 14. He had 11 rebounds. But Jalen Williams, who's their second best player, did not have his best game. He had six points with 16 shots. Ocho, he was on four from the three and he didn't get to the free throw line. So that tells me he was settling. He wasn't nearly aggressive as he needed to be because he can put the ball on the floor. And he settled for those three point shots, which Nuggets will gladly accept. 16 free throws, 40, 43 attempts. That's not fun to basketball. They need to be somewhere between 25 and 30 free throw attempts and keep that, those, that, the three point attempts somewhere. Like if you get to 30, you can live with that. You can live with that. But they got the 40 and they only made 11. They weren't nearly aggressive enough. I think that, that, that, that, that's, that that was a problem for them tonight. But the Nuggets was plenty, plenty aggressive with 33, 32 free throw attempts looking at this game. So projecting matrix going to a game seven, what do you think OKC need to do to keep the Nuggets from coming into their building in a game seven and walking out there, going to the Western Conference finals?
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Sean Marion
What y say show up? I mean, I think it's, it's gonna be simple to them and that's gonna be simple, but you need your role players play better at home. So this is, that's gonna be, that's what home court advantage is right now, this postseason. So it's been, it's been paying off. But both teams have won them both on both their home courts. So. Correct. Oh, listen, that seven games, man, you just, you just don't know, man. You got you throwing it up in the air and like, listen, let's go to war. You gotta come, you gotta come to fight. You know, I, you just don't know because Bron's been, been struggling the last three games, you know what I'm saying? Two or three games.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Sean Marion
And he been shooting. He found his shot in this shot shot tonight. So look, Gordon's been playing great. He didn't have a great game tonight. He scored like five points. I think what he's scoring, I mean, how many points Gordon scoring?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He's five. He had five points on two or seven. But did I see him grab. Did you think it looked like he grabbed his hamstring? It looked like that left hand. Me started bothered him because he was doing, you know, he was grabbing a little bit now.
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Guest
Yeah, left one.
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Sean Marion
The left, the left side hamstrings ain't nothing to play with. If he hurt now that's, that's. Oh, I don't want that. I don't want to see no injuries in the postseason. But man, that can change the dynamic of everything, you know what I'm saying? On certain teams, he's a big part to their team and what he's done for the postseason and they helped him win the championship two years ago. So it's going to be interesting to see who shows up. I mean, it's like ain't no more schemes. Ain't no more drawn up this and that.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Know.
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Sean Marion
Does they know when. They know when they go. They know when fight going to the bath. So let's, let's, let's go to war, baby.
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Guest
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I thought the Nuggets, I thought the Nuggets, I thought the Nuggets bench. They got 27 points from their bench to offset the 30 points because normally the Thunder bench blows the Nuggets bench away.
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Guest
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Tonight it was only a plus 3. You could live with that because the Nuggets are only going to play like three guys off the bench. Russ Watson and Strother, those are the only two. Those are the only three guys that's going to get off the bench. Now we know okc they're going to play five guys coming off the bench. That's what they do. That's what they normally do. Tonight they played a few more, but it was in mop up duty, so I don't really count those. But you look at guys that Wallace played 27 minutes, Wiggins played 12 min, Russo played 27 minutes, and Jay Williams played 14 minutes. So that's 1, 2, 3, 4. So they played nine guys. Sometimes, occasionally they'll play 10. Actually, they play well. You can look at. They play 10 because Isaiah Joe played eight minutes. All the other guys played one minute. That was mop up duty. So you know they're normally going to run nine, ten guys at you. Ooh. And that's where they kind of do a lot of the damage because they got guys that can go get buckets against your second unit. You look at Caruso, you look at Carson Wallace, you look at Wiggins and Isaiah Joe, those guys can score. And so that's normally the deciding factor is that when they take their starters out, OKC take their starters out, the second unit can get some distance.
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Guest
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Or they can claw back. If they're behind, they can claw back some of the, some of the digging to the lead that you have. But I thought The Nuggets bench played extremely well tonight. I think Coach Adelman is going to be very pleased with the performance that he got. You know, Jamal Murray got a little careless with the basketball late in the ball game. I think he had like two or three consecutive turnovers and got the game a little bit more interesting than probably what he should have been late. But I love the way they. They re re gathered themselves. And it was able to close this game out by 12. So we have a game seven in the Western Conference semifinals. The Denver Nuggets by the score of 119 to 107 over the OKC Thunder, fourth of game seven. And that game will be on Sunday. And we'll bring be right here to you. The Nuggets will play in game seven for the seventh time in the Jokic era. Sunday would be their first Game seven on the road. They had a road game during the bubble, but that doesn't count because everybody was on the road. Ocho, who you like. Ocho, who you like in this Game seven? You taking the Thunder or you taking the Nuggets?
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Guest
Listen, the Nuggets have already been there before. I want to see Shay winning. I want to see the MVP get into it. I think the difference in this game is going to have to be the bench. It got to be the bench. The goddamn bench got to show up. Shane gonna do what he does. Jalen Williams, shit, they gonna do what they do. I think the bench is gonna be the difference. They have no choice. I mean, game seven for one. And I'm giving the edge to the Thunder because they're gonna be at home. They gonna be at home. So I got them. And if you wanna put a little money on it, let me know.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Man, I told you it was concerning to me. Cause I saw Aaron Gordon grabbing that hamstring and that's not a good sign. And I understand they got. They don't play again OO until Sunday. If that hamstring, hopefully it would like a. And it's just grabbing on me, just spasming it up. It is not a strain of anything. So let's just hope for that. Let's pray for the best. That's all we can do at this point in time now. But they got their work cut out for him. If Gordon was 100% healthy and I didn't see him grab that hamstring, I probably would have went with the Nuggets. Wait, Plan N. It doesn't matter. I like Jokic and Murray to pull this thing out. If all I want to do is get the lead. See, I want to get, I want to keep your crowd out of the game. And Matrix, you know this. The longer I can keep your crowd out of the game, the better my chances are because the home team's going to feed off that energy. But I ain't going to give you nothing to cheer about. I'm going to come out, jump out on you, 10 nothing make you call a timeout. You hit a bucket and we're going to go on another spurt. And so we're going to keep the crowd on the hands. We're going to have the crowd waiting for you to give them something to cheer about. But that moment is never going to come. Go ahead, Matrix.
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Sean Marion
I tell you what, OKC is one of the most loudest arenas I've ever played in. It's going to be rocking in there. So I can't wait. I'm excited for it. You know what I'm saying? I've been in that arena and that's a hostile environment in there and I'm telling you, it's going to be off the chain. I think OKC going to pull it out for some reason though.
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Guest
See? Told you, huh?
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Shannon Sharpe
When it's tip off time at my house, there are a few things that are must haves on my checklist because you know, I have to have an iconic watch party. First of all, my fellow friends and fans. Check. Got them in the building. My favorite jersey. It's lucky. Yes. Check. I'm wearing it right now. An iconic drink that's a fan favorite. Check. Hypnotic can turn any cocktail into an iconic creation. With its game changing color and tropical flavor, Hypnotic should be in everyone's starting five. For me, I consider hypnotic like the point guard of my game day roster because not only is it versatile, like having it on the rocks or as a base for cocktails, it also finishes smooth. Qualities every point guard must have. And just like the banners in my stadium letting people know that we take championships seriously, having hypnotic at my watch parties lets people know that I also take quality seriously since it's crafted with superior ingredients with for a championship level drinking experience. So you're saying I know hypnotic is great, but describe it. What's the flavor? What's going on here? Well, it's got a unique mix of premium vodka, tropical fruit juices and a hint of cognac. Again, to put it in basketball terms, this is balancing out my roster. We call this balance in the business and it's a hit at watch parties. The hypnotic comes out, we're adding a splash of color and flavor to every buzzer beater moment and everyone has a drink they can enjoy that tast amazing. And guess what? You can find Hypnotic nationwide at your local liquor store or favorite bar. It's probably easier to get than you know those courtside seats which are available but look Hypnotic is available everywhere. So the next time you need a break from the action with a distinctive timeout, look no further. Grab a bottle of Hypnotic and make your next basketball watch party iconic. Enjoy the vibrant taste with friends and turn every game into a memorable celebration. Hypnotic where every sip is a slam dunk. Hypnotic liquor Bardstown, Kentucky 17% alcohol by volume Hypnotic reminds you to think wisely, drink wisely.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Majors your former team won the NBA draft larded doesn't seem like a tough decision who they'll take, but now some NBA executives are reportedly skeptical that Cooper Flag will develop will whether or not he will develop into a superstar. According to Howard Beck of the Ringer, one anonymous exec said that while Flag has a high chance of becoming an All Star, he isn't in the same class as other recent number one overall picks such as Victor When Miamyama and Zion Williamson. In terms of being a can't miss generational prospect, another executive suggested Flag may be a very good player but not a star, while the third said Flag does have superstar potential but they aren't sure he'll be a future MVP candidate. I think those are all the guys that want the Mavericks to trade Cooper Flag to him.
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Guest
Yeah, basically. I mean.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Matrix haven't played this game for as long as you have and been and seeing some of the other great players that played this game. What do you think the ceiling is for Cooper Flag?
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Sean Marion
Man, you know what, I don't know what the ceiling is but I think he's so talented and so skilled right now and the year he had in Duke. I mean listen Scott's limit for the young man. I think as long as he come in and put the work in and we've seen samples of what he can do when he plays against the USA basketball team last usa Yep. So. So the work is there now. It's going to be a different test now having to go against these go against these players night in, night out. But I mean if it comes to the Mavericks and we Mavericks draft Them number one. I think he coming into a great organization and a great situation, you know what I'm saying? He's not going to be the number one guy.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He's not the face.
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Sean Marion
No, no, not, not the focal point. And he got. You got some, you got some great veteran leaders on that team that's going to help him and it's going to be an easier transition when, you know, a lot of times people be. A lot of times good teams don't ever get the first pick. You know what I'm saying? Teams, you know, just because you're a lottery team don't mean you're a bad team. You just had a bad. Correct. That bad season when things didn't fall your way. So a lot of times, a lot of good. Some good players come into teams that are bad, you know what I'm saying? You come into a situation where they want you to be the guy immediately. And sometimes that doesn't work out for a lot of guys, you know what I'm saying? It's that much pressure, it's harder. There's too much everything going on, too many moving parts. But he got a good chance to go into a good organization, good coach J. Kidd, my guy, you know what I'm saying? And man, playing with Anthony Davis, Kyrie, Klay Thompson and a young group of guys is talented and they hungry. So, I mean, I think, you know, as we sit here and talk about all these teams and stuff, a lot of. A lot of teams are either one player or one and a half player away from going to the finals. I say this every year, all the time. That, that the parody is so close right now in the league that, you know what I'm saying, all it take is getting high at the right time.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right? Ocho, what do you think Cooper Flag ceiling is? Because a lot of execs says, yeah, I think he'll be a good player, but not a superstar. I think he'd be good, but he's not Zion. He's not Victor Wembanyama. I don't. We don't see him as a, as this generational talent, like can't miss. And another guy's like, well, I don't see him as an MVP candidate. There've been a lot of great players that didn't win the mvp.
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Guest
Well, hell, they said the same thing about Joker. You see where he went, right? Yeah, they probably said the same thing about him. But obviously you watch Cooper Flag, he's looking at what he's done. That Duke, right? And you watch him play against the elite talent at the college level. But then you also watch what he was able to do against the USA Basketball team before they prepared for the Olympics. And you understand he has all the tools in the toolbox. He's someone that works hard. And obviously him going to Dallas and not having to be the face and just being a part of that team and being able to work on his game and evolve his game to a point to where he actually can become a superstar. I mean, how many times do you have a player that's a generational talent and comes out and is a win by Yamaha or Zion Williamson? Those are special talents that come around every so often. Everyone else that becomes elite or MVP caliber, they have to work at it.
- [29:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
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Guest
You have to give them an opportunity to work on this game. Because everybody doesn't just come out in order to be all right, the chosen one. There's only so many LeBrons.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Just because I think the thing is, and Major, correct me if I'm wrong, a lot of times in oto, we know this, it's like, oh, he number one. He transcended. He generational. He's franchise altering. No, somebody's got to go number one.
- [30:05]
Guest
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So just because you go number one, that doesn't mean you're going to be Kareem or Magic or LeBron or one of these other historically great players that has been selected number one. And so I think that that needs to be. That needs to be the thought process. People think just because you go number one, oh, he about to be Peyton Manning. Oh, he about to be John Elway. No, that's not necessarily true. Somebody has to go number one. And maybe just because he went number one, that doesn't mean he's going to be franchise altering.
- [30:35]
Sean Marion
He could. He could.
- [30:37]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because, look, we can say that there have been plenty of guys that they've had the tag, can't miss, and they missed.
- [30:44]
Sean Marion
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And there have been some guys that like, damn, I didn't see that. Cause if you saw that, like you said, Ocho, if everybody would have thought Jokic was going to be what he turned out, he wouldn't have been in the second round. He'd have been the number one pick in the draft.
- [30:55]
Guest
Exactly, exactly.
- [30:56]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And because he wasn't, that just goes to show you, it's. You never know what a guy has in here. You never know. You can look at it say, oh, man, that joke was 16. He can jump out the gym, he can shoot the three, he can get to the midi, whatever the Case may be, but what does he have in here? How much does it mean to him? Because some guys, it means more to others and they're willing to work a little harder in order to achieve it. Some guys that have come natural to Matrix and they don't work nearly as hard and you're like, man, I sure wish I had that guy's talent. With his talent and my work ethic, hell, I could have been this. What do you, what, what do you think? What do you think, Matrix?
- [31:32]
Sean Marion
Man, listen, y' all, Y' all hitting on a lot of. Lot of. A lot of points, man. I think one of the biggest things I'm. I'm a firm believer in is in order to be successful, you gotta sacrifice. How much are you willing to sacrifice to get to that position, to get that next level? I think he has, like you said, he has all potential. One of the things I you didn't realize, I guess doing the history and everybody's talking about he gonna be the. If he it when it happens, he will be the first white boy to actually go number one in the draft in a long time. Think about that. Yeah, we ain't had most. Yeah. Most all the white players in the.
- [32:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
League now are European or black. Y.
- [32:11]
Sean Marion
And that's not American. All. He's the first American. Yeah. American boy gonna be going number one in draft. That's tough. You know what I'm saying?
- [32:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Gallinari went number one.
- [32:24]
Sean Marion
Yeah. Did he go number one?
- [32:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, he did. I think. Yeah, he did.
- [32:26]
Sean Marion
He rocked Toronto. Yeah, but that's a lot, man. Saying a lot, but man, he's tough, man. I wish him the best, man. I think he has a tremendous upside to the young. It's gonna be exciting to watch.
- [32:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh yeah. From Indiana.
- [32:45]
Sean Marion
Who.
- [32:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, the last, the last American born white player to go number one overall was Kent Benson.
- [32:51]
Sean Marion
What year was that?
- [32:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I think he. He the one that got in the fight with Kareem and Kareem broke he elbow. Kareem and Kareem turned around and punched him in the face and broke his nose. Yeah.
- [32:59]
Sean Marion
What year was that though?
- [33:01]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
45 years ago.
- [33:04]
Sean Marion
Damn.
- [33:05]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
1977.
- [33:06]
Sean Marion
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, cuz.
- [33:07]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Walton Wal. What was Walton in 70? 77? 76.
- [33:12]
Guest
Yeah. 75.
- [33:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
76. Walt might have been 75. 76.
- [33:16]
Guest
It was 75. I was at that draft.
- [33:18]
Sean Marion
Yeah, so that's.
- [33:19]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You wasn't even born yet, but okay.
- [33:26]
Sean Marion
Yeah, so It's.
- [33:28]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Walt was 70. Was the 74 draft.
- [33:30]
Sean Marion
Yeah. That's special, man.
- [33:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But yeah, that's a lot. Yeah, that's. I mean, that's a long time.
- [33:35]
Sean Marion
Long time, man. Listen, I think he's special, though. I wish him all the luck, man. I hope, I hope it. I hope he's able to excel and do everything he wants and put it. I heard he got a great work. He's a great guy. That went number one, so I heard he's. I heard he's a special kid. I ain't met him yet. I heard great things about him already and I was gonna see him. I'm up here. I went to the combine yesterday, so.
- [33:56]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that's a tour.
- [33:57]
Sean Marion
I ain't seen him yet, so I was hoping to run into him, but I ain't bump into him. So. Yeah, for Toronto corner.
- [34:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You was at the right team. It was Andre Barnyani.
- [34:08]
Sean Marion
Yeah.
- [34:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That was number one overall in 2006 to Toronto. You had the right team, but I knew, I was like, no, it was. I got it confused. But it was Barnyani in 2006. Y' all played with Andre, but he was foreign born.
- [34:21]
Sean Marion
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
When we talking American born player, hell, there hadn't been a whole lot of them. I mean, you got to go. I mean, you go back to Walton in 74, you got Ken Benson in, in 76.
- [34:30]
Sean Marion
Yeah.
- [34:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So it's not like it's, you know, it's not been a. It's not been a whole lot of American born white players that's been selected number one overall. But if it be a huge accomplishment for Cooper Flag, I'm sure he'd be very excited. His family, his town, his hometown state would be very excited to see a finally, finally an American born white player be selected number one. All right. It's interesting to see because, to see the way he plays Ocho, because of the size that he has. What is he, 6, 8, 6, 9? He can handle the ball. Cause he led Duke in everything. Scoring, rebound, assists, block shots, steals. So it shows that he's well rounded. He could do basically everything.
- [35:16]
Guest
Yep, a little bit everything.
- [35:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But the difference is he was. Coming into Duke is one thing. Coming into the NBA where there are guys just as skilled, just as tall, can jump just as high, can run just as fast, can shoot just as good, can play defense just as good, can do everything you do just as good. That's what you, when you start getting to levels, you say, okay, you go to JV and then you go to high school and then you go to college or you go to the G League or whatever the case may be. But once you get to the pros, which is NBA, NFL, mlb, whatever the case, whatever sport that you play. You understand, like, there's levels to this.
- [35:54]
Sean Marion
Yes, it is.
- [35:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. And people feed. This is what I tell. I said, these are grown men. This is how they feed their family. This is how kids go to private school. This is how college tuitions get paid. This is how to make sure the wife or significant other doesn't have to work. This is how mom or grandma get the house. Bro, guys are not going to allow you to take food off their table.
- [36:13]
Sean Marion
No.
- [36:16]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, they bringing it because that's how. That's how I look. I don't know how you guys post it on your. But I looked at. Oh, you trying to take kids. You try to take my kids out of school. You try to get my grandma to.
- [36:26]
Sean Marion
Have to go back to do little.
- [36:27]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Odds and end jobs. Oh, no, bro, that ain't gonna happen.
- [36:31]
Sean Marion
Hey, you know, that's our old school mentality, though. That's our generation. That ain't the new generation mentality.
- [36:38]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Really.
- [36:38]
Sean Marion
They don't think like that.
- [36:39]
Guest
No, no, no, no.
- [36:42]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But that's.
- [36:42]
Sean Marion
That's.
- [36:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's our.
- [36:43]
Sean Marion
That's our train of thought because, you know, we were survivors back then. These now, it's a big entitlement now these days. But some of these kids, there are some special ones that truly believe in putting the work in. And I think he's one of those guys. I think, listen, a lot of us now, we know what the game gave us and the opportunities gave for. For us, ourselves, our families and our friends and everybody we've been able to truly bless. But sometimes a lot of people take these things for granted, and it can be over just as fast as it came. You know what I'm saying?
- [37:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Let me ask you this, because we've been hearing a lot about this. Nico Harrison trades Luka Doncic. Now the rating goes haywire. He's in la, and now he trades Luka, and all of a sudden. And the number two pick goes to Utah, which means the number one pick goes to the Dallas Mavericks. Do you believe the draft is rigged? The draft lottery is rigged?
- [37:35]
Sean Marion
No, I don't. I don't. It's just sometimes things work out in their favor, man. I think, you know, if you look at it, if it was rigged, then why are teams tanking purposely to try to get the number one pick? Most of the teams that tank, what team has ever tanked, purposely tanked and got the number one pick? Can you do the history on that?
- [37:52]
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True.
- [37:53]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [37:53]
Sean Marion
What team is actually very interesting, because.
- [37:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The team that started tanking, they pick it way down. They gonna be need to tank again.
- [38:01]
Sean Marion
I'm saying. So when you start thinking about all that stuff, man, listen. Everybody gonna always have a speculation. Somebody always have something to say, whether it's right or wrong. Yeah, yeah. You know what? You know what? Space we in hell, the conspiracy theory.
- [38:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Is gonna always exist.
- [38:14]
Sean Marion
Come on.
- [38:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It started the first year. It actually started, guys. The first year, they had the lottery in 85, and the Knicks ended up getting Patrick.
- [38:22]
Sean Marion
So that started.
- [38:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on.
- [38:25]
Sean Marion
New York.
- [38:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The first year they got the lottery. He get he the Patrick Ewing.
- [38:29]
Guest
Yeah.
- [38:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So that started. So ever since then, they're like, hold on. You mean to tell me a guy that grew up one hour away from Cleveland and he's coming out and he end up to the Cavs. LeBron.
- [38:43]
Guest
I don't know. Listen. Hey, it was such a convenience. It's such an odd convenience, too, Sean, to where it almost seems like. Even though if you're a conspiracy theorist and all, it just seems like it was rigged or done on purpose to satisfy not just the Mavs organization, but the fans as well and to get Nico Harrison off the goddamn hook. That's just what it feels like. Just. What are the odds? Think about it, though. What are the odds?
- [39:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
1.8. They had the fourth. They had the fourth longest odds to get the number one overall pick. I think Derrick Rose was like, one for Chicago. Another one. Chicago got Derrick Rose. We didn't want to talk about that. But go ahead, finish your point.
- [39:25]
Guest
I was just saying. Just the fact that it all happened that way, and it was perfect. It seemed perfectly orchestrated. You let. You let Luca go and you have nothing. Everybody's upset. Nico Harrison keeps on talking about it, making everybody even more upset. And now to ease everybody's mind and ease the tension. Damn. Now you got the number one pick, too. I don't know. It just seems the odds. If the odds are that good, we need to go play the goddamn lotto.
- [39:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [39:54]
Sean Marion
Yeah.
- [39:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But let me ask you this, Matrix. What was your reaction when you found out your team had traded Luca to the Lakers?
- [40:03]
Sean Marion
Listen, I. I ain't gonna lie to you. When we saw it, we thought it was a hoax. We thought.
- [40:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Everybody did.
- [40:09]
Sean Marion
We thought it was a fake. We thought it was some bullshit. Be honest with you. Yeah, like, no, there ain't no way that happened. That don't even sound real, man. I was getting text messages. I was getting. It started hitting the Sports center, and it was like everything I Was like, oh, this was for real. I was like, yo, what happened? But man, listen, it's the business, man. You know, when you, when you ever sit on the other side of the, on the other side of the, the business side, not the sporting side, just on the, on the, on the manager side. I'm an owner. I've been the owner for sports now for seven years now. You know what I'm saying? I've been in that space. It's a different mindset.
- [40:44]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's a business.
- [40:45]
Sean Marion
At the end of the day, people don't really truly understand the dynamics of what owners do and don't do. All they see is what the fans do. I mean, what the sport is on the, I mean what things that go on the floor and what people get paid. There's a lot of moving parts behind the scenes that go on to run these teams and organizations and stuff. So when there's so many moving parts going on, I just say, look man, it's a business, man, things happen. You know what I'm saying? That's what it is. At the end of the day, we sign contracts. We was all athletes at one point, but we have no control over or some of us have a little bit more control to say so at times predicated on the situations and who you are and what you do on that court. But at the end of the day, if somebody wants to trade you, they got the right to trade you, you know.
- [41:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, right.
- [41:26]
Sean Marion
Like, come on now. Like, I'm not, I'm not saying all this, but they do have an owner. You sign a contract, that owner controls your rights and everything you do. He, you, you, he pay your salary too. He could. So he writes checks for you so you can go cash and live lifestyle. That we do understand that it's a business and at the same time a lot of things don't go to plan as planned as you want sometimes. Listen, I was traded what twice. Twice, you know, and, but I knew I was going, I knew I had control over where I was going and dictated all that stuff. I knew exactly what was happening and how it happened. But like the same time I have some leeway. So at least if you are going to get a certain caliber player, you do have some say so and know what's going on and you know, it is what it is, it's part of it.
- [42:13]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, but see, you had, you had some knowledge. Luca had no knowledge of it.
- [42:17]
Sean Marion
Yeah, that's true.
- [42:17]
Guest
Yeah.
- [42:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
This thing, this thing was had. It had to be hush hush because we didn't hear anything about it.
- [42:23]
Sean Marion
I mean, Luca, look. Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen.
- [42:27]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And I think that's why it hurt him so much, because he. I think he had all intents and purpose to spend his entire career in Houston. And you think a guy that's been to. Excuse me, Dallas. Yeah. I think when you make five consecutive all NBA teams, you just took a team to the finals, you're like, you know what? I'm here. I ain't going nowhere as long as I want to be here. Plus the fact we had never seen someone his age this talented leave without requesting to leave. Kareem left because he wanted to leave. Lebron left because he wanted to leave. Shaq left. But we'd never seen a guy this young, this accomplished leave and had no idea that it was going on, that they were going to move him. And I think that's what hurt him the most. And people always have this idea, you know, people love spending other people's money. Man, what's $345 million? It ain't your money. It ain't nothing. But the owner looking at it like, hold on, 345 for Luka. I'm gonna probably have to break bread with Kyrie. Ad gonna want some money. And so they're looking at the business aspect of it. And, like, you know, I know they were talking one time, but potentially moving it to Las Vegas, I don't think that's going to happen. I think the NBA want their own team in Las Vegas and possibly another team in Seattle, considering how much money is being paid for NBA franchises. But I think that's what I think. Ocho, let me ask you this. Do you think the vitriol, the outrage that the fan base in Dallas showed towards Nico and the Dallas organization, you think it was warranted?
- [44:09]
Guest
Absolutely. Absolutely. Based on what Luca's been able to do on the court, what he's done for them, especially the previous year, taking them to NBA finals is goddamn warranted. It's absolutely warranted for a generational talent like that. I'm not sure what the issue is. I understand there might have been some things off the court that might have grub management long term and wanted to invest that kind of money in him. But when it comes to what he does on the court and understanding what he meant to not just the fans of Dallas, but what he meant to that organization, I just don't. I just don't. I don't see myself doing it if I'm in their position. I just don't.
- [44:49]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
How do you make Your. You the general manager, you know, Lucas in line to get a five year, $345 million contract. Now, I don't know if you talk to anybody in the building. I don't know. How much time. Do you live in Dallas? Where do you live? Phoenix or Dallas?
- [45:02]
Sean Marion
I'm in Dallas and Chicago. I'm in both.
- [45:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, So I don't know how. How close you are to people in the building.
- [45:08]
Sean Marion
Huh?
- [45:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Huh?
- [45:10]
Guest
He said, I'm in both, but that boy got money, boy.
- [45:15]
Sean Marion
So keep that.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I said I don't. I don't. I don't know. I don't know how close you are to people in the building or. What have you heard? You know, there are a lot of things about conditioning, and then, you know, he likes. You know, he likes hookah and whatever the case may be, but at the end of the. He's still giving you those numbers. So you're the general manager in Dallas and Luka's on your team. How do you handle this situation? You trading him?
- [45:38]
Sean Marion
You know what? That's not. It's not as easy as you say that. You asking me a question? If I'm a gm, it's got so many other moving parts that go along with it, though, right? So when you. I. So I. I was. I could say this. I was. I'm. I'm. You gave me the GM hat, but I'm giving you the. The franchise player hat because I'm going to give you something that comes along with being a franchise player. So you got to. So you the franchise player on the court, but you also the franchise player. You're the face of everything in the community and all this stuff off the court, if you're doing it the right way, all the steps. So I know what my. My job and my duty was when I signed that contract, when I said max player, when you sign that contract, there are certain obligations that you have to abide by and do. So I've done that. So I was in that space. Now, do I feel like that was the same situation here? I don't know. I couldn't tell you. I think Luca was an amazing kid and everything, me being a gm, I don't. I don't know if that's a GM call, though, honestly. Sometimes. Sometimes, you know, I think that's what I'm saying. Everybody think. It's always this. And like I said, I've been on the own. I'm on the owner's side now. I've been on the spot, a lot of decisions and everything. You Know this is a trickle down effect, you know what I'm saying? It's like everybody sitting here whispers and oh, this, this came from this such and such, man, that listen. You talking about a multi billion dollar business that listens ain't coming from somebody. Somebody opened their damn mouth somewhere and said something they ain't supposed to say, right? Or they gave me permission to say that. So at the end of the day, man, Nico, my guy, you know, I've been knowing Nico for, for 20 years, man, and that's my guy. And at the end of the day, man, whether he did what it was, I don't know whether he did what happened happened. It is what it is. I don't think nobody was going to give him any love of any for. I don't care who what he got. He could have got Michael Jordan back. I think everybody would still be mad, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, in the day, man, listen, like I said, it's a business, man. It's. It's sad. But I get it, man. I am a die hard Cubby fan, man. So. And, and players get traded all the time, man. Sometimes some of your favorite players get gone. Guess what? I'm be mad. I'm gonna be mad he gone, but I'm still gonna be that fan. I'm. I'm still be a fan of that player who got traded, you know what I'm saying? And I'm still gonna be a fan of the Cubs. So that when I think about it from a span standpoint. Yeah, you're gonna be in your films a little bit. I talked to some fans and I heard, I felt they pain, you know, I get it, you know what I'm saying? But they was like, no, I'm still a die hard master now. I love to hear that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, fans, that's, that's, that's the true nature of true Die Hard fans. When they tell you that they, they love the team so much, man. Listen, we gonna, we, we. We don't like it, we don't agree with it. But guess what? We're gonna still be here and ride or die with you guys. So hopefully it works out for the best. And everybody on both sides, man. And that's what it is, man. You know, it's, it's, it's everything. And everybody's so sensitive about everything now.
- [48:27]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So yeah, it is.
- [48:28]
Sean Marion
So it just escalated everything 10 times to what it was. And I get it, you know what I'm saying? Luca was special he was doing. He was doing something amazing. And they had. They went to the finals last year, and then all of a sudden he got traded, he got moved, and nobody knew, like you said. Nobody could know about it. You know what I'm saying? Because it probably wouldn't have happened if it came out that they was trying.
- [48:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It would never happen.
- [48:47]
Sean Marion
Yeah.
- [48:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And this is what I know. Ocho, you know this.
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Guest
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Matrix, you know, this ain't no general manager making no call on no 345 million that's coming from ownership. He might. He might make a call to get a role player or a mid level exception. Right? But 345 million, that's from the top. He ain't making that call.
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Guest
That's from the top.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, listen, he ain't making that. Hey, hey, we need. We need a. We need a backup point guard or the mid level exception or the vet minimum.
- [49:19]
Sean Marion
You know what?
- [49:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Do that. Go ahead, do it.
- [49:21]
Sean Marion
Go ahead.
- [49:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Handle that. Nico. 345 million. You better get somebody. You better get somebody. 70 million of my dollars. Oh, hell no. Hey, y' all stupid.
- [49:38]
Sean Marion
You stupid.
- [49:39]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hell to the dog.
- [49:40]
Sean Marion
What he said. You want to do what? How much? Oh, wait, hold on. Let me, let me, let me. Let me think about.
- [49:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Look here. If they could have did that on his own, they'd have got rid of that trade. But. But a lot of times you have to under. You understand, Matrix, when you're in that position. Yeah. It's like. And Ocho, you. When I talked about this in the football aspect of it, Roger Goodell, he takes all the blowback for the owners. Yeah, yeah. Roger ain't making no decision. That's them 32 owners that pay his salary.
- [50:16]
Sean Marion
Right.
- [50:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You can't get a salary and then think you can. Think you're going to call shots on your own. If you receive a salary, you got to. Oh, you got to take that from the bosses.
- [50:29]
Sean Marion
Yeah.
- [50:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Same thing with Adam Silver. Adam Silver worked for those 30. Those 30 owners of those NBA teams. The same thing as Rob Manford. He works for those owners of those baseball teams. And so a lot of the blowback. The man, that's terrible. Roger Goodell.
- [50:45]
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Boo. We just said the draft and they still booing.
- [50:49]
Guest
Yeah, they always boo. I don't. I don't think people.
- [50:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Don't worry about it.
- [50:53]
Sean Marion
Don't worry about it.
- [50:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Roger said y' all booing this 60 million. I got lifetime benefits and I get to fly private. So y' all. Y' all keep on bullish.
- [51:00]
Guest
Yeah, I don't.
- [51:01]
Sean Marion
I don't.
- [51:01]
Guest
I don't think. I don't think that people understand that Roger Goodell represents the 32 owners.
- [51:06]
Sean Marion
Absolutely.
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- [51:10]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's what the owners want. Owners.
- [51:12]
Guest
Roger just got to deal with the, with, with the brunt of the Bulls, the blowback. He got to deal with all that. He ain't tripping, though.
- [51:19]
Sean Marion
Hey, hey. No, he said we say get on that. That pj, right?
- [51:23]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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- [56:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Emmanuel Archo recently claimed that Celtics match up better against the Knicks without Tatum in the lineup. Exclusively because of mindset. I believe a team is a reflection of his leader. Jason Tatum is the leader of Boston. They are incredibly talented team, but they're not tough team. This is what Kevin Durant had to say. He responded on Twitter. Excuse me. On X. Damn. Hot take. Artists have ruined the sport. Football guys, no disrespect, but y' all boys need to stay in y' all lane. Y' all don't know what it's like to be between them lines. Give the man a break. Give it. He said between these lines, man. Give it a break. Dudes who quit football early to pursue media talking, mental toughness. Cut it out.
- [56:53]
Guest
Katie taking kd. Taking shots.
- [56:58]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But yeah, kd, KD gonna respond. I got a problem. I got a problem with it. I ain't got no problem with it.
- [57:04]
Guest
I like it. I like it. I wish more players were like that. I wish more elite superstar players would like that and voice their opinion. That's why. That's why I like Twitter. I like X because it gives everybody a voice now. It cuts. It cuts the middleman out.
- [57:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [57:19]
Sean Marion
Night.
- [57:19]
Guest
More players being able to have an opportunity.
- [57:21]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nothing lost. Interpret lost. Nothing lost in translation.
- [57:24]
Sean Marion
Okay.
- [57:24]
Guest
Yeah.
- [57:25]
Sean Marion
I got something for y' all then. Okay.
- [57:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay.
- [57:27]
Sean Marion
You talk about. I love people having voices, but this is the. My thing, though. You a champion, right?
- [57:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [57:34]
Sean Marion
So your mindset is gonna be totally different than somebody who wasn't champions or not correct. So. So that's. That's one game. You got people talking about the game and. And this and that. But how can you. How can somebody really define the game if you got. If you never won anything? And tell somebody from you telling you. Talking from a losing perspective, you know, you never won. You was an individual.
- [57:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You.
- [57:56]
Sean Marion
I mean, I'm not saying you would. It's a lot of guys that was great. Players that were great never won. You don't talk about.
- [58:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's all about me, me, me, me. What about.
- [58:05]
Sean Marion
You know what I'm saying? It's like, okay, so you got a problem with a great individual, but you.
- [58:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Wasn'T a great team player.
- [58:10]
Sean Marion
You didn't excel your team to be. To be a winner.
- [58:13]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You didn't win.
- [58:14]
Sean Marion
Your team was losing. So.
- [58:16]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So let me. So if I'm hearing you correctly, you can correct me if I'm Wrong. You said unless you've been a champion, how do you tell me what it takes to become a champion?
- [58:26]
Sean Marion
Damn right. How are you gonna have a champion monster if you've never been a champion?
- [58:35]
Guest
Well, I, I have another question.
- [58:36]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay.
- [58:37]
Sean Marion
For.
- [58:38]
Guest
For people that. In the media space. Right.
- [58:40]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [58:41]
Guest
I'm talking to Sean, obviously, with that, with that, with what he just said. How do you feel about people that talk about the game of basketball, the game of football, the game of hockey, and. Or pundits or analysts on it, or give their opinion or views on it, but have never played the game? Can you take what they could. Can you take what they say serious. If they've never done it?
- [59:02]
Sean Marion
So. So this is my thing. I think they, they. The media is great at creating these narratives. And hold on. They can listen. Everybody can have their opinion about the game. I'm not. This is open. It's an open platform. Everybody can discuss it on every level, from TV to social media to whatever you want to do, podcasts, whatever. But my thing is this, though. When you, when you start dissecting, you really want to know the logistics of what it really, truly takes. Go talk to somebody who's done it before. I'm not going to come in your space and try to tell you how your job and tell you how your job. If I've never done it, I've never been a reporter. I'm not going to sit here and slide and say lane. But with that being said, I'm not going to sit here and discredit people either, though there are some people that have all cleared it. But the narratives that the media create, it becomes a part of our thought process. They become ingrained, these stories that everybody. This is the one thing I don't think people truly understand. It's almost like if the media said they believe that bullshit and then now it becomes a thought process. Whether you agree with it or don't, it becomes a part of your thought process. And that's the first thing that comes to your mind when you say something. And that's the one thing that pisses me off more than anything. So, like, at the same time, I'm okay with people having an opinion, but let me give you something else to think about it. Think about from a different perspective, different side or somebody who actually did it. I walked this light. I walked this path. I'm going to show you what, from my experience or what I've been doing, and I'm like, I'm a. I'm a pave. This, this, this direction for you and this ideal deal for you. So when you sit here and you go through all these narratives, man, I just, I just, it just, it just, it hurts me sometime and pisses me off. I just sometimes have to recuse myself from a lot of conversations because it's not. It's falling on deaf ears because everybody's fucking stuck on stupid at times, you know, common sense ain't coming anymore. You know what I'm saying?
- [60:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
- [60:46]
Sean Marion
So, you know, it's so many levels to this, you know what I'm saying?
- [60:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It is. I want to. Well, thank. I want to hand the baton. I want you to hand the baton off to me because I agree with a lot of what you said. Guys that have covered this game, and I go particular, I say like a Tony Kornheisel or Michael Wilbon, Guys that have covered the game, I think they understand the game, but their intricacies. Unless you've been in that huddle, unless you've been in that locker room in those intense moments, you couldn't possibly know. Now, see, they might go by what somebody told them. I'm going by what I know. See, I was in the huddle on fourth down. I was in the huddle on third and sixth. I was in the locker room when we had lost five straight against Baltimore. So for you to say, I think this is what. No, I'm not telling you what I think. I'm telling you what I know. Cause I was there, right? And so while they can write it and they've covered the game and they do a great job and I'm like you, I don't discredit anybody that I've never said, well, you didn't play the game. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm saying from a standpoint of being in the locker room, being on the field, being on the court, there are certain things that I can speak to that Even in your 30, 40, 50 years of covering a game, can't give the fans what I can, having played the game far less than you've ever covered the game. Because I've been in the huddle, I've heard that call and I looked in guys eyes and I know who you know, guys that put in what they put in. And I know guys that bull job because I'm there, I see them all the time. You get to spend open locker room, what, 30 minutes, five days a week. You get to spend 30 minutes on maybe Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. I don't think you get to come maybe a little Bit on Friday, that's all you get. I get to see that guy from nine to five, five days a week. Then on the road on Saturday and Sunday in the locker room, you coming in after the game. So you don't get to talk to him before the game. So you don't know what he's thinking or you haven't had a conversation with him before.
- [62:45]
Sean Marion
Right.
- [62:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And so that's why I don't discredit guys that. Because there are some guys that do an excellent job and they've talked to some of the greats, but you see they're talking to them. Yes, I'm right there with him. I'm right there in the locker room. I'm sitting right next to him. I'm right there in the huddle. And so I just think, guys that have played the game now, everybody that played the game Matrix can't get on TV and talk about the game.
- [63:09]
Sean Marion
Oh, no, I agree.
- [63:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And explain it in a way. Explain it in a way that maybe somebody in the media can talk about it.
- [63:15]
Sean Marion
Of course.
- [63:16]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But that doesn't mean just because you can articulate your thoughts more or better, that you know the game better or understand the game better.
- [63:25]
Sean Marion
Yeah.
- [63:27]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Does that. Hopefully that makes sense?
- [63:29]
Sean Marion
It does, it does. You know, like, Mike, my guy, you know, he's from the crib here. So, like, Mike is great. Mike been on TV for what?
- [63:35]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, Mike's been doing it for 50 years.
- [63:38]
Sean Marion
Mike has been on here. Man, I love Mike, you know, and. But you. You said something that is. That's so dawned on me, like, you. You're experiencing somebody basically being around somebody 24 7, in the trenches with people. It's totally a different feeling. You know, I. I used to say this when it was. Everybody was like, how the team feeling? I'm like, man, you got to be in this. You have to be in the locker room to see. I can't. I can't express what we're going through right now. I can't even say it in words. It's kind of. It's kind of. You gotta be able to feel it. You gotta see it. You gotta be sitting next to me, and you gotta be feeling that heat coming from my. From my teammate next to me on both sides, and we just, like, we ain't got. Ain't say nothing. I'm looking at my guy, we about to go to war out here, and it's like. It's a whole different mindset, you know? And I think there's so many different levels to this, because I Think there's so many great players that played this game in the NBA. It's a great fraternity, man. And I take my half to the OGs, who paved the way for me, man. I really do. All them guys, they don't get enough credit, man. They don't get enough flowers, man. We don't talk about enough. And I just. It's just sad because every year I feel like we losing. We lose some icons in this game and.
- [64:42]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [64:43]
Sean Marion
You know, and I'm 47 now. I just had a birthday last week, and I'm just sitting here. I just. I just gotta take my hat off to these guys, man. I thank all the OGs that paid away from me, man. I'm truly blessed to be in the position I'm in. I don't take none of this for granted.
- [64:56]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's kind of like, you know, me trying to go sit into a newsroom and try to tell them how to create a story or write a narrative, bro. Yeah. I watch the game, but I can't craft it like you could. And so, like I said, I don't discredit anybody because I don't think I can do. See, And Ocho, you know, you and I have had this conversation.
- [65:16]
Guest
Yeah.
- [65:16]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't feel that I can do your job better than you. I just feel I can do my job better than you can do your job.
- [65:25]
Sean Marion
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
- [65:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But that's how I feel. I don't think I could do my job. Do your job better than you. I just feel I could do my job better than you could do yours. You deduce from that.
- [65:34]
Sean Marion
Whatever you want.
- [65:35]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right. But I'm not going to discredit you from your job. There'll be a job that may, whatever the case, may be a cashier. Ain't no way I could be no cash. Y' all be the gay. Them people, they. They give me a dollar, I give them 10 back. They come, hey, hey, all the numbers, and, hey, I ain't got time for that. I get frustrated, but I understand that people have a job to do, and I think it's. It's easy to say because they won without Jason Tatum. They're not winning the championship without Jason Tatum. You think that. What do you think the odds are, Ojo? They win a championship, they're going to win the NBA championship without J.T. i mean, so if that's not the case, they're not better without him, because the odds are they're a better team. Do you think they would have Won the championship last year without J.T. absolutely not. Absolutely not.
- [66:25]
Guest
And matter of fact, since you posed that question, too, based on, you know, Acho and Kevin Durant going back and forth, this was just one game on what happens if they come back in this series and they get it done without Jayson Tatum? What happens if they get to the Eastern Conference? Obviously get to the Eastern Conference finals without Jason Tatum? What happened if they do get a chip without Jason Tatum?
- [66:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They not.
- [66:49]
Guest
What does that say? Oh, not possible.
- [66:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No.
- [66:52]
Guest
Even with the way Jaylen Brown played?
- [66:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, no.
- [66:57]
Guest
In Pritchard. Okay, okay, listen.
- [67:00]
Sean Marion
I said that same thing, Ocho, I swear. I was talking to my guys last night about that. I was like. I just said, what if I hypothetical. You know, ain't many teams in NBA history ever came down, came back from a 3:1 deficit. But just hypotheticals. Hypotheticals. Yeah. So that's a hypothetical. Just wait. He's going with a hypothetical. Say, for instance, they. They win tomorrow. Boston wins tomorrow.
- [67:22]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They able to get.
- [67:22]
Sean Marion
They're able to get it back home. Because at the end of the day, the, you know, the rope, the, you know, I mean, I like the Knicks. I do. Jalen Brunson is a savage out there.
- [67:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, bro.
- [67:33]
Sean Marion
That closer. But. But with that being said, though, the supporting cast only had one game in the series so far that they. All of them scored over 20 points. So, like, you know, you don't know what the supporting cast gonna do. You know, Jalen Bronson is the head of Snake over there. And, you know, a lot of these teams are one injury away from not doing anything. Am I right?
- [67:54]
Guest
True.
- [67:54]
Sean Marion
Okay, so. But yeah, Boston is one team that has. Listen, they have enough to still do it. And I'm sitting.
- [68:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Let me ask you a question.
- [68:05]
Sean Marion
Just everybody show up, though.
- [68:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
In other words, if I take Acho's. If I take Acho's reasoning and I listen to you, what if. So if the Golden State warriors had won that series, that means they're better without Steph Curry. No.
- [68:26]
Sean Marion
That'S different. That's a different line.
- [68:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The best player off the team.
- [68:34]
Sean Marion
Well, just hold on. Just go.
- [68:37]
Guest
Supporting cast in Golden State is not even close to what they have in Baltimore.
- [68:41]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What about Jimmy Butler? Play out Jimmy. You told me, play out Jimmy. He's taking two. He's taking a team. Two teams to the NBA Finals and he hadn't had. I'm just saying. I'm just. I'm just throwing it out that we just have a healthy conversation now since we doing what ifs.
- [68:55]
Sean Marion
Yeah, but no but they're done now, so. They're done. But, but look at the roster though. So Go, Go, go. Boston starting Go, Go roster right now. Top seven players, they're so five. What top five now because Tatum is out now. So they're, they're their current roster right now. Look at their lineup though. Tell me what you think about their line compared to everybody's lineup. If they're doing what they're supposed to.
- [69:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Do without Jason Tatum, their best six players aren't better than the Knicks. Best six players, you don't think so? Hell no. With Brunson, Cat Bridges, Hart. Who's the other guy?
- [69:32]
Sean Marion
OG I love New York Knicks. Well, I love them.
- [69:35]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And then you got, you got Mitchell, Robinson and McBride. So I take the, if I take the Knicks seven best players minus Tatum and I and, and so the Knicks seven best players and you to give me the Celtics seven best players minus Tatum, I'll take the Knicks.
- [69:50]
Sean Marion
Okay. We're gonna see. I mean, KP ain't showed up yet in this playoffs yet.
- [69:58]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He ain't gonna show up. So don't stop looking for it. He's 73 and invisible.
- [70:03]
Sean Marion
So see, I'm just a firm believer. I just don't. These guys have also. You got all. You got two. You got two guys. Well, you got three all star pedigree guys on. Boston Celtics. They've been either former all star or not. You know what I'm saying? The only, only current all star on any team is Jalen Brunson right now. But, but Derrick White could have easily been all.
- [70:23]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What about, what about Cat?
- [70:24]
Sean Marion
No, hold on, hold on. Cat. Cat was also. Yeah, but they got two. That's what I'm saying. New York got two.
- [70:28]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, boss.
- [70:29]
Sean Marion
Boston, they got two current. But Boston has one current and two former Drew Holiday.
- [70:36]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [70:36]
Sean Marion
And Rosingis. So with that being said. But then Derek White could have easily been one this year, I'm saying.
- [70:44]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [70:44]
Sean Marion
Was Al Hord an all star too? Did Al H. Make it one time.
- [70:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He had been an all star.
- [70:48]
Sean Marion
Yes, he been all star. So all I know they older, but all all star pedigree does play and have some leverage and God.
- [70:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, hell, Matrix, hell. I was a 12th grader. Long time.
- [70:59]
Sean Marion
What former.
- [70:59]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I was a former 12th grader.
- [71:00]
Sean Marion
Oo it ain't over till it's over.
- [71:04]
Guest
O. Yeah, you're right.
- [71:06]
Sean Marion
Over till is over. Remember, this is all hypothetical, but anything is possible. It ain't over till it's over.
- [71:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We know that.
- [71:12]
Sean Marion
So anything can happen.
- [71:13]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We do that a lot Though we. Ocho, we do that a lot. We see a guy in football go down, well, they're a better team without him. No, they not. No, no, Hell, they not.
- [71:23]
Guest
Right.
- [71:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They won a game one time where they won a game without Chase. Would that mean they're better team?
- [71:30]
Sean Marion
No, no, no.
- [71:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You talk about.
- [71:32]
Sean Marion
Hold on.
- [71:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Jayson Tatum is about to make his fourth consecutive all NBA team.
- [71:37]
Sean Marion
Well deserved.
- [71:38]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You mean to tell me a team is better without an all. A first team, all NBA selection?
- [71:44]
Guest
You know, what makes you question it, though? And Sean, you look at the way they play without him in that one game, it raises the question and the possibility of the maxi being better without him because of the way they played.
- [71:59]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What happens, Ocho? What happens when the original teacher is not. You get a substitute. Well, it's not the same. So now you do things differently. I believe the Knicks let their guard down. The Knicks like, well, they ain't got jt. They ain't gonna be ready to play. And they underestimated them. I bet they don't make that same mistake. I bet they don't make that mistake in the msg.
- [72:19]
Sean Marion
Well, we gonna see. Well, I hope not. You know what I'm saying? You know, but, you know, listen, man, when you. When you out here, man, we can't. One of the things I learned a long time ago, you know this, the one thing you can control is what your effort. You can't control that.
- [72:33]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Sean Marion
Ball going. I hope or not. So, you know, listen.
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Sean Marion
You can't control. You can't control it going. Nope. So, like, hey, man, listen, man. People feeling that pressure. And listen, I know Garden gonna be rocking tomorrow. You know what I'm saying?
- [72:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I kind of wish I was in that.
- [72:49]
Sean Marion
I ain't never been to a playoff game in New York. I would love to be there, but hold on.
- [72:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Did. Did acho. Did not see the three games they lost with Jayson Tatum. So you better without him. But you lost three games with it. But they was already had 42.
- [73:09]
Sean Marion
They was up 20, 20 in every game.
- [73:10]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, we're not. Listen, they're not winning. They're not what they are without Jason Tatum. He's one of the best players in the NBA by far.
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Sean Marion
Easily. That's not a question.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's hard. You could. Let's just say he's a top 10 player. How's the team better without a top 10 player.
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Sean Marion
Okay.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You go in a game, see, and I think the thing is, sometimes what happens Matrix and Ocho is that a team will win a game or two without their best player, and people start to believe, well, hey, we can get rid of him and we can get something back. No, you can't. Don't do that.
- [73:39]
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Nah, nah.
- [73:40]
Sean Marion
Well, no, no, we. So hold on. Okay, now. No, I'm not gonna agree with that, Uncle. I'm tell you something now. So, like, put this way. If Jalen, so Jaylen Brown was out and Jason Tatum was playing right now and they did the same thing, would you, would you still be saying the same thing?
- [73:58]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, because I think they need both of them because when Kevin Durant became available, they offered Jaylen Brown and Derrick White some draft pick for Kevin Durant. They didn't offer Jason Tatum.
- [74:10]
Sean Marion
Yeah, but I mean, listen, kd, my guy, you know what I'm saying? But like, I'm just saying, because right now, Jaylen Brown took over the role that Tatum does, did he not? In his last.
- [74:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [74:21]
Sean Marion
So he became the main facilitator and did a great job at it. He never did, so.
- [74:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes. So he was, dude, old.
- [74:28]
Sean Marion
Okay, okay, hold on, buddy.
- [74:29]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Did you see the way he been playing it? Have you seen the way he been playing this series?
- [74:32]
Sean Marion
Look, so Jason Tatum last year was dedicated the point guard, per se. That's what they said last year. They, they let him be the main ball handler. So when you watch them play, they go, A lot of times they go tit for tat. They go, Jason T. Come down and shoot, then Jalen Brown come down and shoot at times. You know what I'm saying?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes.
- [74:50]
Sean Marion
That's all. But now you don't have to go tit for tat. Now you got him designated as that spot right now. Listen, I'm just telling you, it ain't over to overweight. I'm not saying they can. Listen, I, I, listen, I, I would love to see New York's go do all the way.
- [75:05]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I want to go. Yeah, I wanted to go seven.
- [75:07]
Sean Marion
I actually want, I want all the Go to seven, you know, I mean, honestly, you know, hey, it's been some great basketball, you know what I'm saying? So. But at the end of the day, anything is possible. I, I don't put nothing. We just, it's like I said, it's all hypothetical, though. Remember we were just talking about. But it's hard to come back from a 31 deficit, though. But those first two games, though, honestly, they could have easily won, though. They fucked them shits off.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They did.
- [75:30]
Sean Marion
They fucked them shits off. So we sit here and we, we keep acting like, you know what I'M saying Boston is one of the things that Boston had and the reason they was able to prevail last year that most people don't. They have seven, three and D guys. They got one went down with an injury last game. They still got those six, three and eight guys. A lot of teams don't have three and D guys. They do.
- [75:50]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, they got everybody. They're starting to switch everything now.
- [75:54]
Sean Marion
Yeah. So that's what I'm saying though. So like it's, it's, it's not over till it's over. You just don't know. Maybe KP is due for a big game tomorrow.
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