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Chad Ochocinco
Hello Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you watch the OKC Thunder take a commanding 20 lead 118 to 1 over 103 over the Minnesota Timberwolves. We'll get into that game in just a second as I said. Again, thank you guys for joining us for Nightcap. I am your favorite unc. Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Liberty City's own. He's been on the road traveling but now he's back in his his home establishment. The Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, the Pro Bowler, the All Pro. That's Chad Oo Johnson and we have a very special guest out of the out of Georgetown University. He's a two time All Star All Defensive player center of the Indiana Pacers, Roy Hibbert. Roy, how you doing bro?
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Roy Hibbert
I'm happy to be here. Thanks for having me and been a big fan of both of you guys.
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Chad Ochocinco
Thank you. Thanks for joining us. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We thank you for your support. We thank you for your continued support because without you there can be no Unki Nocho. So we greatly appreciate your support in all things Nightcap and everything that Shay Shay Media has done for thus far. Make sure you check out Shave by La Portier. We do have it in stock now. If you can't find it any city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. It's a very special premium VSOP cognac. The best tasting VSOP on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company 84. With 84 being spelled out, the link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. The Timberwolves who just got beat by the Thunder as you wrote that backwards. But anyway, 118, 103. Shay was sensational again tonight. 38 points on 12 or 21 shooting one or two from the three point line. He's aggressive as always. 13 or 15 from the free throw line. But he got great help from Jalen Williams. 12 of 20, 26 big points. Chad Holly, 22 big points. Jayla Williams also chipped in. He was their leading rebounder. He had 10 rebounds. Count them up, 10 rebounders rebounds. Minnesota at was A very inefficient. He did have 32 points. Oh, and Roy. But took him 26 shots to get it one of nine from the three point line. Remember the other night I think he was 1 for 7 from the three point line and Julius just didn't have it tonight. This is by far his worst game in the postseason thus far. 2 of 11 from the 4 or 3 from the 3 point line. Only 6 points and that's one that not good enough to get it done. I thought the bench played extremely well. Gave him 35 big points tonight. Ocho. But starters that let him down. Mike Collins, three points. Roy, Rudy Gobert now all of a sudden he don't look like Will Chamberlain. He doesn't look like. He doesn't look like Shaquille o' Neal when he got confident centers out there against it. And Julius again said he only had six points. Roy, I'm going to start with you. I watched this game Ocho. I watched this game extremely, extremely close because I wanted to see something. I'm not sure Minnesota can get more than a game if they can get that because the game will be close, Ocho. And the next thing you know they'll dart off and they'll be up by 15. They whittle it back down to 6 and then they take off again and they'll be up by 14. Watching this game, I'm just not. I'm convinced they can't win this series but I'm not sure they can get more than a game if that. Roy, watching this game, what is it that's been so impressive and they've been impressive all year. So I guess we shouldn't really be surprised by the Thunder. 68 wins in the regular season. The MVP. They got a defensive player of the year. Excuse me, a defense. All defensive player in Lou Dort. What is it that OKC is doing to make it seem like Minnesota doesn't really belong on the court with them?
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Roy Hibbert
Well, to me, to be honest with you, it's like the defense a around the three point line. As soon as Anthony Edwards crosses the three point line, there's bodies around him. So like the open space, the drives to be able to like get to the basket and have those explosion and dunk at the rim. Those opportunities definitely are not there. And then the second thing for me is obviously just the guys like Caruso mean you guys played played sports and as much as the superstars play well, they need like the ancillary players, the role players to play well. Wallace Dort, Jaylen Williams, he's an all star. But on the defensive end they were hunting out and playing the passing lanes looking for tips and deflections. You know, they, it only says they have nine steals here, but I feel like they should have at least a lot more on the stat sheet because anytime pass over the top to get to Julius Randle, Dort would sniff it out and then it lead to a transition bucket or Jalen Williams, he can the defense, getting deflections, getting tips. I think he has should have way more than I think two steals that he has on the night. But he was getting out, leading the offense through their defense.
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Chad Ochocinco
He was. And I think the thing is, is that you're right. They're loading up. They're not let Anthony Edwards slither through those creases, get to the basket oo where he can get the A and ones he got a couple of tonight. But they're doing a great job of, of loading up on him. And they've got very active hands. You see every time Rudy Gobert get off his rebound, they slap it out. They get it going the other way. And when you turn the A team that's that that have great wing players, that means they in transition before you know it because they're taking the ball away at the top of the key to three point line. So they don't got very far to go. It's not a one outlet laying up at the other end. Oh, you pick Minnesota.
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Unnamed Speaker
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
What's been the most disappointing thing? Because they've been very disappointing. These games really haven't been close. What's been the most disappointing thing? When you're watching Minnesota that you like. Damn. This ain't the team that beat the Lakers 4 1. This is not the team that beat the warriors and made it and, and did it convincingly. What is it that's been most disappointing watching the, the, the T Wolves play.
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Unnamed Speaker
Hey, honestly, just to tell you the truth. Inconsistency. Inconsistency. One game, you know, Julius Randle, he goes off, he goes crazy. Then we have another game where Anthony Edwards, he's been efficient and he has, he's been inefficient in both games he's putting up, he's putting up points, but he's taking a lot of shots to hit those points. He's not very, he's not very efficient from the field. And these past few games his help, he's not getting much help collectively from the starters as well. The benches is doing okay, but the starters need to, need to contribute a little Bit more often as opposed to counting to offset what. What home with Chet and Jaden. Wait, what Jalen Williams and Shay are doing out there outside of that. I mean, Anthony Evans is being aggressive as he can, but defensively, they're smothering them. They're contesting every shot and they're making it very difficult. Difficult for Anthony Evans to get to the hole and get the. And get the points that he is getting. After these past two games and looking at it, I'm kind of nervous for making my pick, for picking the Wolves. I thought they would have played much better. Sga Sean, why he is the mvp. Being very efficient from the field and getting everyone else involved as well. And collectively as a team, defensively, I mean, they're doing what they've done all season long. They've won 68 games for a reason in season. And to see the Wolves down two. Zero, I'm kind of shocked. I shouldn't be shocked, but I kind of am thinking that the Wolves would play a little better, especially after winning the previous series 4 1. And I'm kind of sad a little bit.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. I think the thing is for me is that they're doing a great job of turning Minnesota over and they're doing a great job of taking care of the basketball. They forced 14 turnovers, turned those into points. They only had six turnovers. And the difference is that this is a team. And like, we talk about this all the time. You look at their wing guys. They're loaded with wing defenders. They got six quality guys on a give. Forget the starters. When they come in with their role players, they come in with Caruso, they come in with Wallace. They come in with Isaiah Jones. They come in Wiggins, bro. Those are elite. They're elite defenders on the wing. And you see, I mean, their deflections and tips, even if they don't steal the ball. Ocho now they've. Because they've gotten a deflection. They've taken three, four, five seconds off the shot clock. Now you in a rush to get into your set to try to get a quality shot. They make you pay for every turnover, every bad shot that you take. You throw up something and all of a sudden you hit the floor. They got the ball, it's ahead, and the next thing you know, they're landing up at the the end. Go ahead, Roy.
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Roy Hibbert
Hey. Hey. I want to say in terms of the Timberwolves, you know, make. Anthony Edwards didn't do it too much this game, but from the last, like, thing, like three or four Games. I feel like at the beginning of the game when he gets to the basket before he even feels the contact, he's like screaming, looking for the refs to bail him out. And he misses those chippies around the rim. I've seen him go body to body and just like dunk on people. I know that's not always like how it, how it goes, but he has that finesse Euro step and everything like that. And the next thing I will say is like, I, I'm a little bit harder on, on big guys. And I think something that you said earlier on about Gobert playing against competent bigs, you know, when I look at Isaiah Hartenstein and his good connection with Chet, man, that left handed push floater is elite around that, that around the, the, the middle zone and around that baseline. And then the fact that he can have that little hot push shot and then also have that high low chat is great. But those bigs, you know, are doing well. I need to see Gobert make better decisions when he's like rolling to the basket, when he catches the ball, when he does dribble. Because, you know, obviously he's not a great offensive threat, but he needs to give you a little bit something more than just dump off passes or just tip backs. He needs to have good, you know, ball possession and make good decisions or good crisp passes, hit people on the numbers.
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Unnamed Speaker
Even though, you know, Roy's liability is just the word I want to know.
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Chad Ochocinco
Excuse me.
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Unnamed Speaker
Yeah, my bad. Even though Rudy's a liability offensively, you know, he seems so unorthodox on the offensive end, but they're, they're passing that are in there for layups, for putbacks that he should be able to make, especially in the game of this magnitude. As important as this game is. And it just seems he's so out of sync unless he's on the defensive end, you know, outside of, you know, tipping and tipping the ball back in or catching a rebound and kicking it back out like he has to, he has to be better in those games where he had 27 and the previous game we had 24 in the last series. We need some of that, that magic in order for them to have a chance. Because outside of ant man and Julius has to be on, be has to be on point.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, Julius has to play better every game. Yeah.
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Unnamed Speaker
Outside of those two, it ain't looking good right now, man.
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Chad Ochocinco
The problem is, is that when Rudy had that 27.24 rebound game, it made you forget in Utah he was unplayable in the Fourth quarter last year he was unplayable in the fourth quarter. It seems that people forgot that he's never been an offensive guy. And now he's not really giving you anything defensively. He had one block. So if he's not giving you anything defensively, what is his purpose? What is his use? Nothing. I mean, he's got to be able to give you Roy. He got to give you something on one end or the other. Yeah, you like to have him give you 12 points, 12 rebounds, four blocks and some alters. He's not giving you any of that. And what happened in the Lakers series, it made everybody forget that Rudy Gobert has been basically his entire career unplayable in the fourth quarter, in playoff games. That's his story. We saw him against the Clippers. We saw him every. We see him in the playoffs. And it, for some reason people forgot, hey, man, Rudy done turned. No, he hasn't. He's playing against a team that didn't have bigs or didn't have competent bigs. And so now he's able to play 30, 34 minutes, right? Man, Rudy normally plays 20 minutes and come fourth quarter time, he ain't nowhere near the floor. Yes, standing up when they call time out, he's standing up, looking over everybody's shoulder. Hey, y' all get that now? Cause you know I ain't coming back out there. He's got to give you more. I mean, you think about this man gave you tonight, Ocho. He gave you five points, nine rebounds, one assist and one block.
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Unnamed Speaker
Damn.
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Chad Ochocinco
In 30 minutes, one block. You talking about a four time defensive player of the year. And Shay getting to the basket at will. That's not supposed to happen, okay? Jalen Williams getting to the basket at.
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Roy Hibbert
Will.
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Chad Ochocinco
Everybody, man, well, damn, bro, you supposed to be guarding the rim is the money. You're security. You top flying security. He said, hey, y' all, come on in here. Get that right there. Don't lay that up. Don't have any right. Yeah, I ain't finna hold you. I'm looking at him like, bro, and see the thing is that he's never been Roy. And correct me if I'm wrong, when I think of Rudy Gobert, I don't think about a great on ball defender. I think of a great help defender. Because if you look at Biggs that he go against, they cook his ass. Every big that he goes against cooking, I'm like, I ain't saying you gotta stop Jokic, but you can't let him have 47 and 20 I ain't saying you gotta stop Joel Embiid, but you can't let him get 35 and 19 every big. Now when he goes against somebody now he's go he going against a Rui or he gotta play against LeBron, he gotta play against, you know, Vanderbilt. Oh, he just eating. I like damn. Look at Will Chamberlain. Now look at this right here. Again, they're gonna have and he's their biggest player. So unless you come in with Nas Reed and Nas is really not a back to the basket. He's not a low post. He prefers to be like a stretch five on the wing. That's where he likes to play. Occasionally if you get a mismatch, he'll go. He did a lot more driving on the basketball, a lot more playing with his back to the basket because he had a mismatch. But if they don't get anything out of Rudy Gober something offensively or defensively, Julius Reynolds can't give you six, he needs to give you. If ant man gave you 32, he need to give me 24 to 28. That's the only way they're going to have a chance. When you got Shay got 38, you got Jalen, Williams got 26 and Chet got 22. That's the only way you're going to have a chance. I don't believe they can win this series, Roy, but it's hard at watching this game. Really, really like watching it and watching what they do. It's just hard for me to see them winning a game.
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Unnamed Speaker
Hey, Roy, Rory and Unk, man, that goddamn sga, man, I knew he was nice, you know, I knew he was nice, but man, he breaking the wolves spirit out there, man. Defensively, he has no answer for him, man. He get to his spots, he drawing fouls, he's freezing the defense, his hands.
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Chad Ochocinco
Hey, he put that elbow on him.
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Unnamed Speaker
Hey, that forearm.
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Chad Ochocinco
He creates a space.
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Unnamed Speaker
He created that space for that shoulder like Carmelo a little bit. He created a little space, man. Like his toolbox is crazy. He got a crazy toolbox. And ISO Joe talking about the MIDI being somewhat non existent and most of the players, man, his mid range game is crazy, huh? His MIDI easy points, he, he, he admitted he get about 1112 points just off mid range alone.
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Chad Ochocinco
Outside of threes and drivers because he works on it. Everybody else want to be at the basket or they want to shoot the three. Nobody really works on the midi. Look at the guys that really work at the middy. Look at Kawhi. Nice. Look at shape. Nice. Look at guys that really work at the mid range. You gotta really work at it. Just like you put time in it shooting those threes. Put time in working on the threes. Roy, you had a point you wanted to make. Go ahead.
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Roy Hibbert
No, I mean every. Everything Ocho said was exactly right. But to me also, like the mental side of the game too, seeing the guys get frustrated and just push Shay to the ground and get assessed the technical that's creeping into their minds, you know, and that to me is like another thing. Like you're just wearing them down. Wearing them down. I think the Timberwolves will get a game at their home, but I agree with you. I find it hard to believe that they can win this series now with Gobert not being able to play to the level that he has in the past defensively, I would think they would go small with Nas or with Julius. And the fact that they haven't been playing that well, I don't know where they go from here for the, for the next game. I looked at, I look at my Pacers last night, you know, Miles Turner, who I love, who actually, you know, they drafted to get my ass up out of there, totally respect him and everything. He actually, you know, I feel like he was selfless. He didn't like, have a great game, but like he wasn't in the game. A majority in the third and the fourth quarter and, and you know what the Celt, I mean, of the Celtics. But the other. The Pacers went small with Topping and Matheran at the 4 and the 5 for a little bit in Pascal. So I feel like the. The Timberwolves don' have a reliable four or five that can come in and take Rudy spot that can give you some good minutes like my Pacers did last night.
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Chad Ochocinco
Well, and they play and they play tb. Thomas Bryant came in and gave him some quality minutes last night also. And I think that's what you have to have. It's kind of hard because, you know, when you go. If you go small and you're talking about your Pacers, you go small against the Pacers and they mess around and go. All of a sudden they go, Cat. And they go, Mitchell Robinson. Now you. You in a world of hurt because now they about to play. Hey, they just about to get. Play tap and rebound and kick out. Even if you. Even if you. Even if they take. If they take out Cat, they go, mitchell Robinson. If you take out. If you take. It's hard because he. Look, all he's doing is looking for lobs and to get re but give you extra, extra chance. The Knicks are a big team because you, you go cat, you go og you got Mikael Bridges, who's six' seven. They got some athletic guys. So if you go small, relatively small, if you say, you know what, we gonna start Nas then, then where, where, where you going? You gonna play, you gonna play Jaden McDaniels at the five spot. Cause he's, he's your next tallest guy. Yeah.
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Roy Hibbert
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
Unless you go. Unless you play Jew. Unless you play Jew. Revel at the five. And then you got him trying to bank. Okay, maybe he, he banged with a Hardenstein and chant. That's, you know, baby heart. Probably Hardenstein. But they just got to get more production. Rudy Gobert got to give them more than five and nine. Mike Conley one for six, one for four. That's not nearly, nearly good enough. And Julius Randall can't ever, ever just give you six points. He's too good. He's been too good. He's been exceptional these playoffs. But like you said, Oo Shay tonight, five straight games of at least 30 points. He had 38. 8 with 3 steals, 31 points, 5 rebounds, 9 assists, 35 points, 4 assists, 3 steals. 32. 3 and 6, 31, 6 and 7. First player in franchise history with five consecutive 30 point playoff games. Tonight he made more free throws 13 than the Wolves starters 12.
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Unnamed Speaker
Hey man a goddamn minute the Boy Toolbox when we talk about him going to the free throw line so much but when he put the ball on the floor he is able to create every time he gets the ball. Every time he gets the ball. I don't. I'm trying to understand how it is so easy for him to get ISOs or to have people pick and it's so goddamn difficult for Anthony Everest to ISO there's very little creation where Ant has the ball. Because you got to tell me, huh?
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Chad Ochocinco
Go ahead, go ahead, Ocho, go ahead. I'm let you finish one. Go ahead.
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Unnamed Speaker
You're not telling me when it comes to when, when he. Oh my goodness, when SGA gets the ball on. It just seems every time, not every so often, every time he's. He gets, he's able to get ISO, he's able to create separation. If he can't get the ISO, he's able to get it off the pick and then roll. He gets to his spot. He's so fucking efficient. From the goddamn field, it seemed like everything is working for him. Then on the opposite side I'm like, well God damn. Why is it so difficult for Ed? Not only the ISOs, when he can't get ISO, then he has very little creation because defensively they so goddamn long and lengthy, it's goddamn hard just to get a goddamn shot on.
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Chad Ochocinco
Well, the team, the Thunder are loading up and you see the difference is, is that they got wing defenders. They switch one through five. Rudy go where Rudy gonna go. He can't make no threes, so I'm not worried about him. He's not an offensive wet. So they say look now one or two things, you either gonna start have to blitz him or trap him and make him give the ball up. Because if you let him play, they're letting him play too much one on one right now if you let him play one on one, he's going to get his at 30 plus 30. He averaged 32.7 and you shoot an efficient. Now he's back into 50%. You're not beating him. You let him get his numbers and you let him be efficient while he's getting his numbers. Ocho, you're not beating this team. J Dub tonight, 2610 and 5, his first ever 25105 game. You got check gave you 22, bro. It's really.
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Roy Hibbert
They were 9 for 33 from the three point line too. So it's not like they were knocking down threes and there was so much space you had to go tag a shooter. You have most dangerous shooter that's 27% from the three point line is not a good night. And they were still able to like get whatever they wanted.
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Chad Ochocinco
I think the biggest thing is, is because they're able to play five on four because Rudy, they know Rudy's not an offensive threat. So why, why am I guarding? Okay, I want you to ask me again. Why am I guarding him when he's not an offensive threat, right?
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Unnamed Speaker
You right?
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Chad Ochocinco
Either he gonna catch a lob or he's gonna try to get a put back. And the thing is it takes him so long to unwind. So by the time he tries to bring the ball up, they slap down. They got the ball like going the other way. How many times we saw that tonight?
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Unnamed Speaker
Yeah, you right. Hey, Anthony average gotta be on point. He normally does. Even if you're not efficient, you gotta keep putting up point.
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Chad Ochocinco
He was aggressive. I'll give him that. He was aggressive. Look. I think he's selling too much. He got some of that. You know, the thing that happened was he took more threes this year. He led the NBA and made threes. He kind of think, and sometimes I think he falls in love with it a little too much.
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Unnamed Speaker
Right.
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Chad Ochocinco
But at some point, Ty, we just got to come to the realization that the Thunder has been the best team in the west. And hoping and wishing and somebody. Oh, they do this. Shay is on damn near every night. And I can see like he's going to get to the foul line. Yeah, he's getting to the foul line. They shot 24. They shot 24 free throws. He had 15 attempts. He's. He's doing. That's what we want. That's what we want to see. Okay, how did you get there? At least Jay is like, you know what? This a. I'm the MVP. Let me show you why I'm the MVP. I was efficient, shot almost 52% from the floor. I led the league in scoring. It seems like every, every night that he plays, he's in the 30s sometimes. They're not always the most efficient. But he's putting pressure on your defense. He can also pass the ball. When he had eight assists tonight. And guys knocked down shot. Jalen Williams knocked down shot. Chet knocked down shots. They shot 50% from the floor. But I don't think you can beat them. If you shoot 41% from the floor, 28% from the three, and you turn the ball over 14 times against this team, you're going to get to what.
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Unnamed Speaker
You got every time.
- [30:07]
Chad Ochocinco
A double digit loss, you'll get double digit loss. Ain't nowhere around it. Don't you. I wish I could give you some better news for your team, but I can't.
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Unnamed Speaker
We get some better. We get some better play from that bench. We gotta have Conley. Conley gotta show up, man. Divicenzo. He gotta show up and do what he do, what he does. Hit, hit some of those threes, creating some separation and doing what he needs to do and just ant just continue to be aggressive. Judas Randle, continue to be aggressive and hope your supporting cast shows up. And it's an uphill, it's an uphill battle from this point now. Yeah, you might well throw everything in the kitchen sink at him.
- [30:43]
Chad Ochocinco
The bench didn't play bad. They got three guys. They only played three guys tonight and they gave him 35 points off the bench. They only got 17 points off the bench. So you basically doubled them up from bench scoring. But when you have a starter gave you, I mean your other starters outside of Jade McDaniels and Ant man who gave you 54, you got 14 points from the other three starters. 14 points. That ain't that, bro. In a playoff game unless Nas Reed go crazy and make six or seven threes, DiVincenzo lets you get like 50 points from and it's hard thing like they only play eight guys. So to get 50 points from three guys is asking an awful lot. Julius, I expect have a bounce back game. Like I said, this is the worst game that we've seen from him in the postseason this year thus far. Of the last four players to record a 25 point, 10 rebound, 5 assists, 0 turnover game and a conference finals. Kobe, Shaq, Jason Tatum, Jalen Williams. Pretty good company, pretty good company to be in points off turnovers this series. Thunder 53, Wolves 20. Ant man stayed up till 3am watching film of game one. He'd probably be up till five watching film of game two. He just got like you said. Look, the thing is Ocho, a guy once told me, he said, you know what? I can go win any war if you give me the right tools to go to battle. With Ant man going to war, I'm not so sure he got the tools around him right now that's ready to go to battle with him. They said they ain't going out there to battle and he alone right now. Julius is going to have to be better. I expect him to be better. But Mike Conley can't give us three. He can't. Rudy, you got to give us. Rudy got to give us at least a double double. Roy. I don't think that's asking too much. Am I asking too much Roy for a double double?
- [32:49]
Roy Hibbert
I mean look at Mitchell Robinson. He grabs offensive rebounds and he does he think I want to see the battle between free throw shooting between Gobert and Mitchell Robinson? And the New York fans just like love Mitchell every time he goes to the free throw line because they see the effort And I know I'm drawing a distinction between these two teams and these two players, but, like, look at Mitchell when he actually gets into a switch. Like, he feels. Thibodeau feels comfortable with him out there guarding perimeter players. He gets down in his stance, he gets low. He can move his feet. Yes. Sometimes he puts two hands on the body at the end of a play, and he might get picked up a foul, but he's competent out there and he's able to move. So, I mean, there's simple, similar type of players, but that one player, you know, but, yeah, I'm just gonna leave it at that.
- [33:36]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. In other words, Rudy Steeley. This is the ninth straight season, Ocho, that the MVP doesn't have a tattoo. Shea Jokic, Embiid, Giannis Harden. And Russ. Russ won the MVP in 2017. He got tattoos in 2020. Is there a correlation? Anything going on? Should we deduce anything from that, Ocho?
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Unnamed Speaker
No, it has nothing to do with it. You know, some people. Some people love the artwork. Some of it has. Has meaning to it. Not just tattoos. Just to be having them really has no correlation at all outside of that.
- [34:16]
Chad Ochocinco
I agree. I mean, some people love that. They say tattoos are addictive. They say once you get one, you're going to want 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
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Unnamed Speaker
Yeah, that's what I hear.
- [34:25]
Chad Ochocinco
Everybody. Everybody.
- [34:26]
Unnamed Speaker
That.
- [34:26]
Chad Ochocinco
I don't really. I don't know if I've seen someone, Ocho, with just one tattoo. Normally you have multiples.
- [34:32]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I got. I have 44 myself. Outside of that, I mean, all of them have meaning, obviously. Kids, family scriptures from the Bible.
- [34:47]
Chad Ochocinco
Imagine that thing wrote in writing so I could read them.
- [34:50]
Unnamed Speaker
Oh, you. You can see him. You can see him. I mean, this is you trying to. You calling me. I'm not that dark. I'm not that dark. Especially right now. You could probably.
- [34:59]
Chad Ochocinco
I mean, it's like. It's like taking a Sharpie writing on a piece of charcoal.
- [35:03]
Unnamed Speaker
Now you can see him. You can see him clear. It's just. It's just.
- [35:06]
Chad Ochocinco
I mean, I. I mean, I just. I don't feel clear.
- [35:10]
Unnamed Speaker
You don't have no tattoos?
- [35:11]
Chad Ochocinco
I don't.
- [35:12]
Unnamed Speaker
You scared of needles?
- [35:14]
Chad Ochocinco
No.
- [35:15]
Unnamed Speaker
So why you getting.
- [35:17]
Chad Ochocinco
Man? I'm 57 now. I think it's a bit late now, Ocho. You should have got me when I was 17.
- [35:21]
Unnamed Speaker
But it don't matter how old you are, if you want to get them, hey, you know, you can get your back piece. You get your big back piece. They can put you to sleep so you don't got to feel the pain.
- [35:29]
Chad Ochocinco
When I go to sleep. I'm trying to. I'm trying to go to sleep. And when I wake up, I want to be in the morning. I ain't going to sleep for no damn tattoo and wake up at 3 o' clock in the afternoon. That ain't happening.
- [35:39]
Unnamed Speaker
Well, they can put. Listen, you can time it to where you, you, you. You get put to sleep at 7, 7, 9 o' clock. I know you go to bed early, so.
- [35:46]
Chad Ochocinco
So you let me get this, man. So my first tattoo, you wanted to be a bat piece?
- [35:51]
Unnamed Speaker
I. I'm talking about the whole thing. Like, everything. Like, everything. You could put all your dogs. You can put Teddy, you could put Titus. They could, you know, get the family.
- [36:05]
Chad Ochocinco
Taz Tarzan. No.
- [36:09]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah.
- [36:09]
Chad Ochocinco
No. I wanted a tattoo. I wanted a tattoo when I was in high school, and my mom told me, no. She said, when you graduate, you can get one. Until I graduate, I ain't want it. I wanted it when I was a junior, okay? All my homeboy, everybody was getting them. I like, yeah, I'm gonna get me a tattoo. No, I ain't want a tattoo. I wanted my ears pierced. That's what I wanted on your ears pierced. I ain't really never wanted no tattoo.
- [36:31]
Unnamed Speaker
Right? Right.
- [36:32]
Chad Ochocinco
I only thought about it once. I thought about getting my grandmother's name across my chest. But I know how adamant she was about doing Mark, say so, boy, don't mark up your body. Yes, ma' am.
- [36:43]
Unnamed Speaker
Were you got any tattoos?
- [36:45]
Roy Hibbert
No tattoos, man. I'm like, My mom ran a strict household, man. They're from the Caribbean. She from Trinidad.
- [36:52]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, yeah.
- [36:52]
Roy Hibbert
She would slap me upside my head if she's. If I got a tattoo. I got my ears pierced. My friend, my freshman year of college, once I left the house, and she was so mad, but, you know, I said, nah. I said no, okay?
- [37:05]
Chad Ochocinco
No facial hair, no earrings, no tattoos. Ocho, you know, I gotta keep this right here. I gotta keep this patch, though. You know, I gotta keep it patched.
- [37:16]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah. I think you should turn over a new leaf, huh? You might as well 57. Try something different.
- [37:22]
Chad Ochocinco
I'm gonna be 57 in the month.
- [37:24]
Unnamed Speaker
Hey.
- [37:25]
Chad Ochocinco
Huh?
- [37:25]
Unnamed Speaker
You try something different.
- [37:26]
Chad Ochocinco
Plus my skin, Ocho, as, you know, as you start to get older, your skin gets thinner. You lose some of the elasticity. It doesn't hold as much water as it once did. And it tears easy. That's why you notice when older people, as they start to get older, they like, they tear easy. They Bleed. You know what I'm saying?
- [37:41]
Unnamed Speaker
Listen, I want you to understand something. Now, we talk about black folk, we talk about our skin. Black don't crap. Now, I understand what you're saying about the lacticity and in the water. Now hold them. But you're gonna be just fine. You're gonna be just fine.
- [37:54]
Chad Ochocinco
I am. Because now you have no tattoo.
- [37:55]
Unnamed Speaker
Hold on. You keep saying 57. Like you just. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God.
- [38:00]
Chad Ochocinco
I'm about to be 57 in a month.
- [38:04]
Unnamed Speaker
That's not that bad.
- [38:05]
Chad Ochocinco
Well, I don't think anything changes the next. In the next five weeks, Ash.
- [38:11]
Roy Hibbert
Like, oh, if you want that, Gary Braca, like, life performing like, you know, that, that, that, that, you know, spin your blood, put it back in your body, keep yourself fresh.
- [38:20]
Chad Ochocinco
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I haven't done that. I heard about that. That's, you know. Well, theoretically, a lot of endurance athletes do that. That's called blood doping, where they take a pint of blood out, they spin it and they, they, you know, flip it, you know, put that little thing up in. Yeah, put that up in there and put it back in there, you know. Now if you added more oxygen to the blood. But no, I, I've never done that. Okay, Ocho, let's revisit the Pacers Kings trade. The Pacers received Tyrese Halliburton, Buddy Hill, Tristan Thompson. The Kings received Damonte Sabonis, Jeremy Lamb, Justin Holiday, a 2023 second round pick and a king size, a family pack, a family size bag of potato chips. Holiday, I think, if I'm not mistaken, then he with the Rockets. Now, I don't know who that 23, 23 second round pick was. The bag of chips have been long eaten. Jeremy Lamb is dating the owner's daughter. So the Pacers won that trade. Absolutely, Absolutely. Look, I mean, look, Sabonis is a very good player. You. Were you a teammate of his, Roy?
- [39:36]
Roy Hibbert
I was not a teammate. I was like, there, there before him, two years before.
- [39:40]
Chad Ochocinco
Okay. He, he look. Oh, people don't realize how tall he is. Sabonis is 7:1. Yeah, people don't realize how tall he is. I mean, people think he likes. No, he's seven foot one. His dad was seven three. Buddy Hill, that we know. He, you know, he's. All of a sudden, he's with the Golden State warriors now. Tristan is back in Cleveland. Look, Sabonis was an all star player, but Halliburton and what he's been able to do.
- [40:07]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah, man, he's emerged to Be one of the best in the game, huh? One of the best.
- [40:14]
Chad Ochocinco
He does a great job of distributing the basketball, Ocho. And he's not a high turnover guy. He's a prototype. I love him when he's aggressive. Roy, when Ty, when Reese is aggressive. Because sometimes I think he settles. Sometimes I think he's trying to get people involved. He's a prototypical old school, Magic Johnson, Stockton, Jason Kidd type of a point guard. He's really not looking to score, but when he's looking to score and put pressure on the defense, man.
- [40:43]
Unnamed Speaker
Can I say something about last night? I just want you to think about this.
- [40:47]
Chad Ochocinco
Yes.
- [40:49]
Unnamed Speaker
He had an opportunity to tie the game towards the end with the clock running down. He said, I'm finna dribble behind the arc like a kid at an AAU basketball game and I'mma heave a shot.
- [41:04]
Roy Hibbert
Up.
- [41:07]
Unnamed Speaker
In the bounce.
- [41:08]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [41:09]
Unnamed Speaker
If everybody should have played the lotto last night, if you were a Pacers fan. Cause luck was running through everybody's veins, including brother Halliburton.
- [41:19]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, that's insane. But nor Roy isn't the rule of thumb. You go for the win on the road, you go for the tie at home.
- [41:27]
Roy Hibbert
I say that. Go for the win, you have nothing to lose. You're going to go back home to Indiana at some point and, you know, play two games at home. So you would want to like, go for the win and split the first two games. But I say the pace at which the Pacers play allows them to have the freedom. And the fact that they, like you said, don't turn the ball over as well, that's icing on the cake. And then they spread the floor out so well. I feel like the only real post presence really is Pascal Siaka. Miles Turner can pick and pop. That allows him to. That allows Halliburton to get to the paint. But it's like a real good cohesive group.
- [42:01]
Chad Ochocinco
Yes.
- [42:02]
Roy Hibbert
It was a perfect storm though, too. Like, I think Brunson getting those fouls in the middle of the third quarter when Nem Hard and TJ McConnell, like, again, those role players that are attacking him at all points, they don't allow him to take possessions off. They try to get him in the pick and roll to switch, or they try to push it in one on one in transition and get right to the hole and see if he's going to either try to contest and potentially foul or give up the layup. It was a perfect storm for the Pacers last night.
- [42:28]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. And the thing is, they play with Such pace as you mentioned. And so now knowing that that team's only want to play like seven, eight guys. Seven guys.
- [42:38]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah.
- [42:38]
Chad Ochocinco
And you know he wants to play in 44 minutes. Play in 44 minutes at the pace in which the Pacers play. You're asking an awful lot.
- [42:45]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah.
- [42:46]
Chad Ochocinco
And you got. You're right, Roy. When they keep attacking it's like look, we're not going to let him rest. T.J. don't you let him rest. Halle, we know you're not going to let him rest. Nemhar, don't let him rest. Nissan, Smith, don't let him rest. Mathburn, don't let him rest. If he's on you, attack him. We know what he is offensively so we want to attack him when he's on the defensive end to try to take some of that bite out of those legs.
- [43:08]
Roy Hibbert
Yeah, he also had those seven turnovers too, you know, so it's wearing on him and I feel like, you know, Tibbs, like you said, is known for playing a very short lineup. If this thing gets to a Game 7, I don't know if those Villanova, like all four of those Villanova Knicks are going to be able to be available to, to, to. To play come if there is a game seven.
- [43:26]
Chad Ochocinco
So where would you rank this game?
- [43:27]
Roy Hibbert
I'm not wishing injuries on anybody. I hope everybody stays healthy.
- [43:30]
Chad Ochocinco
Yes.
- [43:30]
Roy Hibbert
But it's just history that's shown that Tim's teams kind of like, you know, the players kind of like, you know, fall off a little bit because I feel like there was worn out.
- [43:41]
Chad Ochocinco
Look Demonte Sabonis so because basically it's a bonus and Halliburton Tyrese has been an all star for a couple of years. Sabonus has been an all star for a couple of years. Halliburton won a gold medal. I think Sabonis was on the Lithuanian team. They didn't win any medals. But this trade is not worse than. Than the Clippers getting Paul George and giving up Shane Gallinari in five first round picks and two pick swaps. That's a worse trade than this one. Everybody think it's probably thinking the Luca trade because it's so fresh in your mind and it just happened. But I mean I look the Kings can't feel bad because the Kings did have de' Aaron Fox. Dear Fox was an all star so they, they've had an adequate replacement. It's just that Halle's had his team twice in the Eastern Conference finals back to back years. So I like, I like Reese Charles Barkley wants John Halliburton to be unbanned. He paid his dues. It shouldn't be indefinite. He's been punished enough. He would never do anything that stupid again. Roy, should John Halliburton be permanently banned?
- [44:59]
Roy Hibbert
No, no, I think it's just like, you know, I think it should have been like a one game and then just move on to the next news cycle. I don't think people need to, like, you know, make this a big thing. I hope he's not banned. I don't know. The Pacers are flying me out. I'm getting flown out by the Pacers for game three. I'm going to be there with my son, so hopefully I get to shake his hand. We'll take a picture and everything like that. I'll report back to you.
- [45:21]
Chad Ochocinco
All right, I appreciate that. I agree. I agree, Ocho, I'm anxious to hear what you say on that. But I think, look, he made a mistake. He got caught up in the motion. And sometimes when emotion is high, logic is low. And, you know, he ran on the court. Obviously that's a no. No, he ran on the court. Then, you know, I think. I think what the NBA was concerned about, it wasn't so much him on the court, is what he did when he got on the court. He went up into a player's face. Now, you know how players are, Roy. When we lose, we're not the either losses. And that's kind of how we became what we became, because losing was not okay with us. That's what kind of shaped molded us to become the players we became. A lot of times you run up on the right. The wrong player. No, let me take that back. You run up on the right player at the wrong time, and my bad won't help you. Giannis showed a lot of restraint because a lot sometimes don't your people defend, man, this is my opportunity. Give me a. Hey, let me hit that with legarre Blunt. Remember legarrett Blunt? Boise State, they lost. Oregon got ran on the field. No, Oregon lost to Boise State. And the guy ran on the field right up in LeGarrett Bluntface. So you just have to be careful. I understand the NBA is erring on the side of caution, but, yeah, let him come on back. I think he paid his due. I think he learned his lesson. I think. And Halle said it best. Halle said, you know what, man, I talked to my pops. He knows he can't do that, but it should not be for perpetuity. He missed the two games he missed the two home games that he had. Let him come on back for game three. And hey, if they made the final, I'm coming in there with a disguise. I drop a couple of them with a beard, I'm gonna have me a beard. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I'm coming in with a disguise. I'm gonna see my son play in the NBA Finals.
- [47:21]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. You have no choice. You got no choice. I think the band is a little too excessive. You know, Pops got to understand, you can celebrate, you can have fun. You definitely can't go on the court. You can't go on the court and you can't go in a player's face. I thought maybe there was a relationship or they might have known each other, which is why he was able to do it because most of the time parents don't feel comfortable, especially after win, celebrating another player's face. So I thought there was some type of relationship between Gobert and, and not go there. Between Giannis. Pops and.
- [47:53]
Chad Ochocinco
No, Halle's Pops and Giannis.
- [47:55]
Unnamed Speaker
Giannis. That's so I'm obviously, it must not have been so most of the time comfortable. Comfortable going to players faces like that. But hey, they gotta let that band. They can't do it like that.
- [48:07]
Chad Ochocinco
And he had a towel with his son face on it. You like this? You like this? You like this? Yeah, but I agree. I think we're in a unison here. Is that. Look, I think he's paid his dues. He's missed two games. I think now let him come on back. Give him a stern warning, Mr. Halliburton, that can't happen again. You know, I, I. Look, everybody knows who he is. Ocho, your son is one of the star players. And so they're going to give you a little bit, a little bit more leniency as far as going on the court. They're not going, hey, get off that court. They like, you know, they probably. Mr. Halliburton, can you step back a little bit? So they're going to give you a little bit more grace. We know, we know how that worked, but yeah, I think he's learned his lesson and I don't think we'll have that problem again. So I definitely think the she should be on the ban should be lifted and he should be allowed to see his son play in the Eastern conference finals. Jerry McClain was reacting to the play where Brunson foul baited TJ McConnell last night. And McCain said foul baiting is just smart. Even when I talk to Joel Embiid about It. He thinks he's just playing the game smart. Roy, do you agree?
- [49:19]
Roy Hibbert
So I feel like this is always comes up, like, even before Harden, there was a guy, Kevin Martin, that played for Houston Rockets, and he also played for Go to Sacramento kids. Yeah, he was the frail. He was a thin, frail guy. Kind of looked like Halliburton a little bit in terms of like the body type.
- [49:38]
Chad Ochocinco
He's kind of like Halliburton, too.
- [49:42]
Roy Hibbert
Yeah. But this is going to be in the game no matter what. I don't want to be too long winded here. But, you know, when I was playing LeBron against the Heat, the Pacers, Heat series, LeBron used to do this thing where like, he always. Even before LeBron, the Pacer, Heat series, he would cuff the ball, get to the basket. I would try to block the shot, you know, and I get called for the foul because, you know, when you cuff it, that's one thing. When you try to lay it up, you can go try to block it. So I had to learn verticality jump straight up the contest so you don't go into the guy that the game. I had to adapt to the game. I'm not going to complain about it unless the referees in the summer said, you know what? You know, we need to address this. Then I could be like, all right, you know what? Maybe I could relax, maybe I could complain more. But for me, if the rules are there and the offensive player is doing it, it's on. This is on me to figure out how to work either in real time to figure it out, or during the summer when you're in the lab, you know, because I always used to work on, you know, three things. Offense, at least two things on defense in my workout, and then keep rotating those things. So that's just how my mindset is.
- [50:46]
Chad Ochocinco
What you think, Ojo?
- [50:47]
Unnamed Speaker
Yeah, honestly, I like it. Most of the people call it flopping. I call it manipulate the game as a db.
- [50:53]
Roy Hibbert
Huh?
- [50:54]
Unnamed Speaker
You think about it. I'm not. I'm not saying I'm a db, but there. There are many tricks to the trade. You know, trying. Trying to help yourself, giving yourself an advantage when you play in the game. Listen, putting your shoulder down, being a little theatrical with your head movements like Jalen Brunson is at times, and. And drawing those fouls. It's. It's a part of the game. It's manipulating the game to get yourself to the line and give you advantages that the ref sometimes can't see in real time. I mean, why not? Until they find a way to stop it, which you can't, you know, in real time because the naked eye really can't see that you take advantage of it. Why not?
- [51:31]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, Harden was really great at it. A left handed player. Jalen Brunson has adopted it and Shay is another one. Now Shay does a great job of getting that separation and what they're trying to do is create separation. I want to get my shot, I want to get this shot off and, and, and, and Shade does it to get to that mini as good as anybody. Harden was doing it to get always Harden is trying to get all the way to the paint. He going to get to that float, he gonna get to that dominant hand and lay the ball up. So yeah, I don't have a problem with it. These guys have perfected it. They understand how to get to the, how to, how to get to the free throw line, how to manipulate, as you said, ocho the defense and make you draw foul. And they a lot of them, a lot of them guys got that herky jerky motion. You think they gonna go up for a shot and actually they give you the head fake and you don't jump into them and now they jump and throw the ball up and now they're going to get two or three free throw attempts. So that's part of the game and guys are going to have to learn how to defend without filing.
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Chad Ochocinco
The NBA announced their all defensive teams Dyson Daniels of the Hawks, Lou Dort Thunder, Draymond Warriors, Evan Mobley who is defensive player of the year Cavs and Amin Thompson of the Houston Rockets. Any any problem with that that that first team all defense? Roy no, I love it.
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Roy Hibbert
I think Evan Mobley, you know exemplified you know being able to be the new type of big guy who can, you know not only score but can actually like move his feet, defend and then guard multiple positions. You know I cover college basketball for CBS and like one of the things I always talk about is you know bigs have to be able to be mobile can defend multiple positions and he's the protot it right there right then and there. Not that many seven footers that are moving around could do do it now because of how the speed of the game. So I feel like I have I have no problem with that and more and more guards and wing players on the defensive team to me is the trend of how The NBA is going, has been going.
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Chad Ochocinco
But you know what? There are some guys that, that normally makes defense. The all defensive team that wasn't og Ananobi was not there. Giannis wasn't there. Bam. Wasn't there. Derrick White wasn't there. Holiday wasn't there. Do you think anybody was snubbed? They should have been on. I'm surprised Giannis wasn't on because Giannis is normally been on.
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Unnamed Speaker
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
Bam. It started with one of the better defending centers. You know, he switched and guard one through five, Derrick White. We know what we think of him defensively. That was one of the reasons that he was on the Olympic, the US select team. Team. The Olympic team. So OG he's one of, one of the defenders. But I agree with you, Roy. I don't really have a problem. I'm surprised that none of these guys because Zubots or The Clippers made second team. Jaren Jackson Jr. Jalen Williams, Kamara of Portland and Rudy Gobert. They could, Bam or OG or Giannis could have easily taken Gobert's place. Really didn't have it this year. And it's okay. You don't keep having to put players on there. Oh yeah, well he's been. He's four time defensive player of the year. If the guy doesn't have a season that warrant him being on there, don't put him on there. It's okay. It's okay if you don't put Rudy Gobert on the all defensive team because I don't think he had an all defensive team type of a season this year.
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Roy Hibbert
Right. Maybe Drew Holiday, I feel like he's just always calming presence on defense. He's up, up and up on the guards, using his hands. He gets under screens. You know, maybe that could be be a player. But you know, then again you never know where their ranking was on the defensive end.
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Chad Ochocinco
The NBA world is awaiting LeBron's decision on his player option with the Lakers for next season. Rich Paul said on the Rich Eisen show today, I think everybody's been on pins and needles for a while. I wish I had an answer. I don't know. It's early. I don't have a conversation like that. I go into each year like he's continuing to play. I've never even talked about that physically. He can play several more years. I don't think it's the physical aspect of it. I think it's where you are mentally with these you guys. I think we put so much on the individual. There's a lot of Players, there's a lot of layers to success as an individual. And I think when you think about him per se, there's a lot of decisions that have to be made. You know, going into the locker room, what's the roster look like, what's the approach to each player is he's always going to get everybody's best shot. And so this, so this is a team. He's on with the history of the team. Roy, if I had to ask you, what do you think LeBron's going to do? Is he going to opt out, opt in? What are some of the factors that will go into the decision that LeBron is going to make to either opt in or opt out of that contract?
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Roy Hibbert
I mean, I feel like he's going to be in a Lakers jersey next year. He'll probably opt out and then probably maybe sign like a two year deal, a very hefty two year deal, probably finish out his career for the Lakers, you know, you know, it's hard for me with LeBron because I want to believe him when he says that he's not a part of the front office, you know, conversations. Even though, you know, you would think the best player in the NBA right now would have, have his hands in the cookie jar and everything. But they gotta, you know, he's gonna be back, but they definitely need to upgrade, like the big position. They definitely need a center bad. And, and, and then obviously, you know, you know, go Luca. And then, you know, how he got thrown under the bus. I feel like a little bit after, in terms of calling out his conditioning, I feel like that needs to be like, I mean, that's not what you're asking me. I. LeBron's going to be back, but I hope that they can, you know, he can rub off on Luka a little bit to like, you know, tighten up at the beginning of the season.
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Chad Ochocinco
Well, they did hire a strength and conditioning coach. And as we talked about a couple of nights ago, Roy, I don't know if you heard us, is that a lot of these elite guys, they have their own guys, they work with that as far as weightlifting, as far as physio and all that other stuff. I know LeBron, Mike Macias is with Bron all the time. And so a lot of these guys used to be Tim Grover, but a lot of these guys have their own personal guys that they train with and do things with. But it's nice to see. But I'm glad Luca's taking it and because, you know, I just feel like in the playoffs he starts to wear down and, you know, it seems like it's back and he starts to move like he's 72 years old and he's barely 26. Ojo.
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Roy Hibbert
What, you think those are my fault?
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Chad Ochocinco
My fault?
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Unnamed Speaker
Uh huh.
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Chad Ochocinco
What do you think? What LeBron gonna do?
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Unnamed Speaker
Listen, he can opt out. I mean, he could opt in either way. He's gonna be a Laker. He's gonna play another two, maybe three years. I think he's going to do everything he can to stretch it long enough where he can play with his youngest son. Outside of that, what him and Luka had, it was special last year. I think he wants to continue that. I think he's going to have discussions with Jenny and Pelinka about getting the big in there and getting some help. So he doesn't want to just keep playing and keep opting in or opting out, but building a team around them where they can be in contention year in and year out and whatever necessary moves need to be made, they probably made this season. So they're just not going home in the first round and actually contending for another title.
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Chad Ochocinco
What was your point you wanted to make? Roy?
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Roy Hibbert
I'll move. I forgot that. I'll keep it moving.
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Chad Ochocinco
All right. DeMarcus Cousins, who spent 2018-19 season with the warriors, says Steve Kerr doesn't do well when it comes to developing young players. Boogie said the lack of development could lead to Kaminga wanting out this offseason. I think they lost Kaminga. I think Steve Kerr ruined that relationship this year with the D. We've seen this happen time and time again. When it comes to him and dealing with young talent, he just doesn't handle young talent well. He doesn't develop. Out of the years he's been there, we've only seen one guy develop under Steve Kerr and they ran him off. That was Jordan Poole. When it comes to young talent, I just don't think he handles it well. Ocho, I'm gonna start with you. Do you agree with what Boogie is saying?
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Unnamed Speaker
Little bit. Obviously it was coming from a player of his caliber. You know, as good, as good as Boogie is knowing the game and knowing the coaches and understanding the players that he's had his hands and imprint on, he's absolutely right. And there's an example of one that we've talked about this year over and over and over.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, Kaminga. Yeah.
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Unnamed Speaker
It makes no sense, but he did. It makes no sense. And then when Kaminga does get the opportunity to play, look at the type of goddamn Games.
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Chad Ochocinco
He's having he balls out. He does.
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Unnamed Speaker
This is who you had on the bench, for whatever reason it may have been. Come on, man. Unexplainable. Unexplainable.
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Roy Hibbert
Roy, you know, it makes me think about the. There has to be. You guys know, there has to be synergy within an organization, you know, And I know Mike Dunley. He took over. We played together. I was a rookie when he was in the Indiana. And, you know, there doesn't seem to be a synergy between, like, who he's paying and who he's bringing in and, you know, who the coach is playing. I think about Mike Malone in the situation with the Denver Nuggets, you know, Calvin Booth, I believe was the GM or president, and he's drafting some certain players and bringing them in and he wants them to develop them. But he. But Coach Malone was playing the older guys and the guys that he can rely on. So for me, and then in the organization ended up getting rid of both of them. So for me, there has to be a synergy there. And at some point, you know, once, you know, I'm not sure if he. At some point, is he going to be the Golden State warriors coach for forever. Maybe there might be a timeline where he may want to be like, hey, you know what?
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Roy Hibbert
Maybe when Steph is done, I walk away and he's just going to go with the players that he knows as well. But if there's not a synergy between the front office and the players, if the front office is bringing in players that need to develop, he's not playing. There's going to be an issue there. And if you're not winning, it's going to exacerbate the issue the next year and the next summer because people are going to be unhappy. You need to build for the future. Steph and those guys are getting older and older and older, and Father Time is undefeated.
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Chad Ochocinco
But, you know, the problem that they're having is Roy and Ocho, is that most teams, when you're trying to compete for a title, you're not relying on young players. You're going with your core guys. Now, see, you look at okc, you see how OKC did it. Ocho, they got rid of all the old guys. That said, you know what? We gonna take these lumps right now, but we gonna build this thing together. We're not in. Hey, we're under no illusion that we're gonna compete for a title, but when we compete for a title, we're going to be able to compete for Years and years to come, because all these guys would have grown. Grown up together. You see, the problem is, you got Steph, you have Klay, you had Draymond, you had Loon, you had veteran guys. Iggy, before he retired, you had veteran guys. Man, I ain't got time for the young guys to be making no mistake, Roy. Cause, you know, hey, the one thing a coach. Ocho, you know this. In football, coaches hate mistakes. And rookies gonna make mistakes. That's just the way it works. And it seems like. And you seem like, Steve ain't got no problem putting no guy on the bench. Hell, he put Jason Tatum on the bench, so, you know, he got no damn problem putting Kaminga on the bench. Go ahead, Ocho. You gonna say what?
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Unnamed Speaker
Listen, I was gonna say, you talk about young teams, you know, and allowing young teams to do what they need to do. But those young teams, when you have a young team like okc, you know, as you use, for example. Yeah, you can do that. When you got sga, leave them.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, but I'm saying. But you see what they did. Think about it. They trade for sga, they draft Jalen Williams, they drafted a lot of these guys.
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Unnamed Speaker
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
Chad Holmgren, they say, hey, they go and get a couple of pieces to add veteran Isaiah Hardenstein. So now they go get Lou Dorr. They say, oh, they go get a Caruso. Guys that have played, that know how to play, that plays their role. Because, see, the thing is, the problem that Kaminga has. Kaminga is one of them young guys. Like, bro, I was trying to go get 30. Well, in that offense, Steph is supposed to get 30. You supposed to get like 10, 15.
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Unnamed Speaker
Hold on. So you think that might be one of the reasons why he got. Yes, he's.
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Chad Ochocinco
He said that it's hard to get a flow when you out there with Steph, because the offenses run for Steph.
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Roy Hibbert
Yes. He's looking off stuff. He said he's looking off stuff.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, he's looking off stuff. He like, nah, bro. Hey, no, no, no. I got this right here. You go into the corner.
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Unnamed Speaker
So Kamiyah is one of those that needs his own team.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yes.
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Roy Hibbert
It's like pool, I guess, you know? Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
And that's. And that's okay. That's okay. Just understand that you probably not going to win as much. Jordan Poole, like, Jordan Poole, like, yeah, it's nice to average 20 plus, but we gonna be in the lottery every year.
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Unnamed Speaker
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
So that's the sacrifice that you have to make. And a lot of times guys have to sacrifice their game. When you playing with other historically great players, you kind of have to sacrifice. They get, you know, hey, it's like pop, he get a big piece of chicken. So, okay, you didn't get the breathless joke. You get a drumstick, you get a wing. Okay, you get a short thigh. But. And so that's the thing with Kaminga. I think, I think he's good enough. But if he wants to play there, he's going to have to understand how to play within that system.
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Unnamed Speaker
That's crazy.
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Chad Ochocinco
Cause he needs the ball. See, it's not like KD. KD is efficient. KD didn't need the ball. Good. KD 15 shots. KD going to get you 27, 30. Cause he's that efficient. Yeah. Clay is a catch and shoot shooter. Kaminga needs the ball because he wants to drive. He wants to put the ball on the floor. He ain't trying to catch and shoot. That's not what he is. That's not his skill set. So it's going to be interesting to see how this thing plays out. Roy, we're going to get you out of here on this one. You played with a young Nikola Jokic in Denver. Did you know, Was there any indication when you saw him in practice and you watched him when he was on the court in the game, did you have any indication he was going to be this.
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Roy Hibbert
So I'm going to say this real quick. My last year in the NBA, I was on three teams in one year. That's why I knew my ass was done. And I was only in Denver for like a month and a half, so I was like a sabbatical. But I can honestly tell you this, that man, I did not see him lift the weight. I would see him in the locker room and like his build is not what you expect. And I did not think that he would like go on to be like a three time MVP and everything like that. To me, what he's done is incredible. Sometimes I do feel that, you know, towards the end of the series, you know, even as great as he is, he having the ball in his hands a little bit kind of like slows down the offense and not allows other people to get going. I think Jamal Murray could have gotten like 10 plus more shots. But they've won a championship, they know what they're doing. But I did not expect him to be as good as he is. I saw Jamal Murray when he was I think a second year player at that time and he was still, he, he had all the right tools. So that team, I didn't think they were going to be as good as they were.
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Chad Ochocinco
So tell them, tell them where they tell the chat where they can find you at Roy Social media. You got a YouTube page?
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Roy Hibbert
I have a YouTube page, but I started a speaking business. You can check me out@roy hibbert.com if you looking for a speaker, I'm your guy. A lot of things I talk about is my whole motto is stand tall, start small. I know you guys and athletes can figure out like, hey, you may look the part, but if you don't, like put the time in, have the good mindset and obviously work on your mental. As big as you are, you're not going to be able to succeed on the court, in the field, in the C suite executive type space unless you put that in. So that's what I'm working on. Roy Hibbert.com H I B-B-E-R T.com and you could check me out if you, if you like to.
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Chad Ochocinco
You got an ig, you got a Twitter page?
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Roy Hibbert
Twitter is Roy Meats underscore World. And then on Instagram, Roy Hipper55.
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Chad Ochocinco
All right, Roy, thanks for stopping by, man. We appreciate your insight on the game, okc, Minnesota and all things NBA. Hey, when you get some free time, stop back by and chat with us, bro.
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Roy Hibbert
I want to throw this out there for you real quick. What's that for your Shay show your other channel. Okay. Like that. I gotta set you up. You gotta do an interview with my agent, David Folk Falk, MJ's agent. I got. I gotta be the link in between or something like that though, man. I know that you're a LeBron guy and then David Falk is obviously a big Michael Jordan guy. If that's ever a thing. I would love to be the in between. Nothing, no strings attached. Just trying to, you know. Absolutely.
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Chad Ochocinco
I love that. I appreciate that, bro.
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Roy Hibbert
I got you.
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Chad Ochocinco
All right, well, thank you, man. Enjoy the rest of your evening and we'll talk soon.
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Roy Hibbert
Got you.
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Chad Ochocinco
All right. The volume.
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