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Nightcap - Hour 1: Timberwolves beat Lakers, & Shedeur has fallen to Day 3 of the NFL draft!
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Just seemed like it's two heavyweight fighters, man, just really going at. It's like backyard basketball. Uncle Ocho, like, they really kind of take the centers out the game. Braun playing the five, they spread the floor and it's just penetrating kick basketball. Things that you learn in grade school, you know what I mean? And it's just read and react, and that's pretty much how they've been competing this, you know, pretty much this whole series. But like you say, J. McDaniels, baby, he gonna come out. He ultra aggressive. What he shot. How many field goal Attempts he had? 22. He was 13 for 22 tonight. Like, I like to see that. I like to see this young talent come out, initiate, you know, be that aggressor and put the onus on the Lakers, man, when him and Ant man attacking like that and applying pressure, you know, in that paint on that rim, you know, they're able to get easy dump downs to Rudy, spray out threes to these guards. Divincenzo's, you know, coming off the bench playing great. Hey, it's a problem. Minnesota bringing it. They bringing it. Overcho. Them boys ain't playing, man.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, hey, they, they, they, they. They came to play tonight, obviously. I thought. I think something. Something was wrong with Luka. I'm not sure what was wrong with Luka. He wasn't on. He wasn't efficient that he Normally is. But LeBron, LeBron was vintage tonight. LeBron was vintage. 13 for 21. He. He had 38, 10 rebounds, four assists. He didn't have much help. He didn't have much help. He was playing on both ends of the court too now. Playing defense, playing offense. Outside of that, man. And listen, I'm at. I'm. I'm changing his name, Anthony Amazon Edwards, because he delivering every time he coming to the party and he. He on time every time. Un. And obviously J. Jaden Daniels was. Was excellent tonight. Will he be able to keep up that consistency night in and night out?
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Savannah Guthrie
I.
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Joe Johnson
It is doubtful. Deo coming off the. Coming off the bench and contributing. Naj Reed hitting some key Threes, obviously, in the game as well. It was a good game, like Joe, say, is a heavyweight. It looked like a heavyweight fight, both of them going back to back, but when it came down to the end of it, the Timberwolves got. Timberwolves pulled it off.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Savannah Guthrie
I think the thing is, McDaniel has been the key. If you look at the first game they won, look at how well he shot. He didn't play particularly well in the second game. Nas Reed didn't play well in the second game, and so he's the X factor. Now, if you're going to get your third option and he's going to give you 30 points, it's going to be especially. Especially if your first two options are doing what they're supposed to do. Ant man gave you 29. Julius Randle gave you 22. Now your third option, which is Jaden McDaniels, he's going to give you 30. It's going to be hard to overcome that unless LeBron, unless Luka, unless AR can match that. So let's just say for the sake of argument, they kind of match that tonight. But the difference was DiVincenzo and now Naz Reed. So they gave you 21. So I'm looking at it right here. You got 25 off the bench from the Timberwolves, and you got 8, 11, 16, 19 from them. But it was a timely shots. It's too many, Joe. It's too many turnovers. The Lakers, I think, had five or six missed free throws in the first half a game. You know that's going to be tight. Every possession matters, every point matters. When you go to the line and the clock is stopped, you've got to capitalize if you have an opportunity to make free throws and just too many turnovers, because when they turn the ball over, Minnesota is making them pay the ultimate price on the other end. Go look at points off turnovers, and look how many Minnesota had, and look how few the Lakers had. When you turn the ball over like the Lakers are, and this is a young team, they can get out and run. Lakers don't have the legs that they. That the Minnesota Timberwolves have. You're asking for trouble. You're really asking for trouble. I thought the Lakers played really well. The third quarter, again, kind of got away from them. You know, they had a lead. But look, you know, everybody's gonna make a run. I mean, you. It's a game of run. That's what basketball is. You make your run, we make ours. Okay? We go back and Forth, back and forth, back and forth. And then you. We go on another run, you go on another run. But I thought the Lakers just turned the ball over too much, Joe. I thought they turned it over too much. I thought they missed too many free throws and they let the Timberwolves get into a rhythm. Especially like the last four minutes of the game when you had an opportunity, LeBron had an opportunity. It seemed like he was going to take a three. He took his eye off the ball. He smoked the layup. I mean, he smoked it good, good. When Smoked one earned in the first half. Yeah. When you're on the road and you're playing a team like this and you know it's going to be nip and tuck, every possession matters, every point matters. And you can't give away. You can't come away with empty possessions.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You can't. The one thing I really do like is, man, when we watch sports, uncle and Ocho, we watch for what? We watch for guys to come out there, not only display their talents, but as long as they competing at a high level. Right? These dudes out here competing. You hear me? Yeah, they compete. They take it on the challenge. And the only thing that concerns me about the Lakers is down the stretch when they go with Braun at the 5. They have no rim protection. So Ant, man, when he get to the cup, because he gonna get to the cup, it's either a bucket foul or spray out for three.
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Savannah Guthrie
Yeah. You know, because here's the thing, because they put. What they're doing is they put Luke in the pick and roll.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, they seeking it.
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Savannah Guthrie
So they. They pick. They pick it on Luca. So now Luka can't stop him on the initial move. So now if you. So if somebody slides to help, it's an easy kick. But a lot of times he's like, bro, that's Gabe Vincent, That's Dorian Fe Smith. I'm going on the top of y'all.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, hey, hey. The one time he got that steal. Hold on. When he got that steal and he drove it, he drove it out to the three point line. I don't know what Luca was thinking. I'm like, Luca should have been on the block. So when he looked to come baseline, he should already have been that big. Like, nah, don't come this way. Baseline snatched the screws at that thing.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, Joe, y'all. Y'all think. Y'all think Luca hurt or was he just tired tonight?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He said, fool, Something, something, something. He wasn't feeling right. He wasn't feeling well. That's what they said.
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Savannah Guthrie
Yeah, he kept. He kept holding his stomach or something like that. It's hard to tell. And I don't know if he initially came out there with that, the undershirt on that he had. It seemed like he. I don't know. Like I said, I wasn't really paying attention. And then. I don't think he started the second half.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
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Savannah Guthrie
Cause Gabe, business started the second half, and then at the timeout, he ended up coming into the ball game. So he might be a little under the weather, but at this juncture of the year, Ocho, don't nobody care. I'm just going to be 1000 with you, Ocho. Joe, you played at a high level in the NBA, Ocho, and you and I, we played football. When you're in the playoffs, nobody gives a damn whether you got an injury, whether you got a. You got the flu, food poisoning, whatever the case may be. Get your butt out there on the field or the court and deliver. That's what you make the big bucks for. That's how you got that name. That's who you are. And that's the expectation that people have, and I believe that's the expectations. And Luke is not going to make excuses. He knows he's going to have to play better if they're going to have a chance to win this series.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Absolutely.
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Savannah Guthrie
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
So, I mean, listen, how you feeling now?
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Savannah Guthrie
I feel good.
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Joe Johnson
Y'all down one.
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Savannah Guthrie
No, no, no, no, no. The five is obviously. It's not happening in five. I feel good.
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Joe Johnson
Okay.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It can still happen in five.
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Savannah Guthrie
You think it'll happen if you're five?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It may not be.
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Savannah Guthrie
Don't do that, Joe. Don't. It took me a little while for it to register.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The one thing that concerns me, you know, this Young Wolves team, they went in la, they did what they want to do. They got to win. So they got home court advantage now. As long as they can take care of home court, man, they gonna be tough to beat, bro. Like, we need. Bro needed 50 tonight to win. He needed 50. I'm sorry. He the only one rhythm had only one. Seem to really have a rhythm. I thought Austin Reaves had a pretty good rhythm there for a second, but, man, you need people to put pressure on the. On that rim, man, get in that paint. To be able to spread out for.
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Savannah Guthrie
Threes, we needed Roy. I mean. I mean, something. You never know. I can never tell what I'm gonna get from Rui. Eight points is not nearly enough. Four rebounds, bro. I need more than that. I mean, bro, you got 38 points and you got, I mean, you got 38 minutes and you got eight points. LeBron, you got a guy on 48, on 40 year old legs giving you.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
40 minutes and he was a minus 19. He was the highest plus minus. He was the highest minus on the other night.
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Savannah Guthrie
Yeah, it's just tough to overcome. When you look, Jackson Hayes, he can't play. The problem is that you don't have no protection from the rim because Jackson Hayes can't play long enough. And the thing is that they're allowing Gobert to play 24, 25 minutes and they got rim protection. So if somebody beats somebody up at the dribble, you saw who's that? Dorian Finney Smith. And Rudy Gobert said, look, let me get that, let me hold that right quick. I don't know what you thought. I don't know what you thought. Somebody told you.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, and that's why like if Randall, if Randall grunts him like he's being like being a bull in a china shop, like he really causing havoc down there because they too small to deal with him. And Rudy, you know what I mean?
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Savannah Guthrie
Right?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And when he played Randle at the 5, like he deadly at that position, you know, going off bounce, creating, getting to the cup, getting fouls, going to the free throw line, kind of get himself going. You know what I mean?
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Savannah Guthrie
Yeah, but what I don't understand, Joe, I've never seen a left handed, most lefties going to go to that dominant hand. If you think about all the lefties, you think about Julius Randle, think about James Harden, think about Marcelo's, think about any left Manu Ginobili, bro, you know, they want to go to that dominant hand and they let Randall spin every time to the left. Yeah. Make him go right.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah.
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Savannah Guthrie
Hey, listen, and I get, I get it, I get it, Joe, It's a lot easier said than done. But you're not going to be. I'm not going to allow you to beat me. If I'm a boxer, you might knock me out, but you ain't gonna knock me out with your dominant hand. Now, you might catch me with something I don't see, but it ain't gonna be your dominant one. So you might slip that uppercut on me, on Joe, or you might, hey, you might hit me with the left hook, but if I know you got.
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Joe Johnson
A right.
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Savannah Guthrie
You ain't going to get me. So you know you want to get to that left hand. He wants to get there. I'm not letting him Go. And then once he picks up his dribble and he fakes right. Okay, go ahead and go that way. But I'm not going to let you fake me. Right. And I go flying out the sky like I'm. Like I'm David Thompson and come back left and lay it up. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. Joe, am I wrong in that assessment? Joe?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, you're not wrong. But like you say, it is a little harder than what you say. I mean, he's being ultra aggressive. He was 9 for 10 from the free throw line. He got to the free throw line 10 times.
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Savannah Guthrie
So.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Which lets me know, you know, when he called it, he took advantage of the mismatches. You know, he took advantage of being one of the bigger guys in the game at the time. And, you know, he's helping them, man. He's giving these guys wide open shots just by him being ultra aggressive like that on offense.
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Savannah Guthrie
Yeah, go ahead, Ocho, go ahead. I'm just trying to look at some stats. Cause I don't really have it on my computer like I would at home.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, the Lakers in trouble. Hey, Joe. Joe, the next game, the next game in Minnesota, it ain't looking good.
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Savannah Guthrie
Looking good. We got this one.
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Joe Johnson
Listen, LeBron like, like Joe say LeBron gonna have to score 50. Luca has to. I'm not sure if he got a stomach, a tummy ache. I'm not sure what it is. Hopefully he's able to recover and come back to playing how we know how he. We know he can play. Austin Reeves give us something like we did tonight. But Rui gotta show up. Rui gotta show up or uncle is not looking good.
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Savannah Guthrie
Look, I think for me, when I look, I'm looking at this. Do I expect LeBron? Can LeBron do it? Yes. I've seen him go 30 and 40 and back to back games. You're asking an awful lot because the next game is probably going to be Sunday. So if you think about it, think about the layoff that they had, they played and then now all of a sudden. So he got two days off. Yeah. So when you're older, you need more time to recover, Joe, you need more time to suit him sitting those thermal tech boots. You need more time to sit in that cold tub and that Honda and that red table. You need more of recovery. So I don't know how quick. Now, look, I know immediately after this game, he went straight to the locker room, put them feet, put them up. Puppies in the coat In a bucket of ice. He got ice bags on his knees. He got it on his back. So he's doing everything he possibly can to start the recovery process as soon as possible. But he is 40. He is. There's no way around, there's no way to escape that. So I don't know if he's going to be able to give you another virtuoso like he gave you tonight. They really need Luca to play better than what he played. Hopefully that bug will be as a 24 hour bug and it'll be subsided to be gone. But I don't think, if you think about it, they didn't play bad. I mean if you look at the total, right? Cause I mean I'm looking at LeBron. LeBron had what? LeBron had 38, Luka had 17, that's 55. And Austin Reeves had 20, that's 77 points.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They ain't playing bad.
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Savannah Guthrie
No, but the problem is that you ran into Julius Randle had 22, McDaniels had 30, not 52. And then you compare that with the 29 the ant man had. So now you at 81 and the auxiliary, you got nine from Mike Conley, you got 11, you got 10. So we're gonna need, we're gonna need. Okay, three. They sub, they cancel each other out. Well, they got. I have two other guys that go double figures. That means the Lakers gonna have to have somebody that go double figures. 15, 16 to offset. What Nas Reed and what, who's that? Divincenzo. What they gave you? I mean, look, they hit some shots. I mean DiVincenzo hit a crossover cross Fanny Smith up, made him touch earth and step back and held his leg up. Mike Conley got a rebound, ran out and banked it. I don't know how he made it from the. How he banked that, from that angle, Joe. I still don't know how he did it.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that's what the basketball guys, baby. Living right. You living right. Hey, you living right.
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Savannah Guthrie
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Basketball gods give you some grace.
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Savannah Guthrie
That's what, that's why I say if you remember. And when they had Covid, he ended up winning the horse competition because he's appendix, he can shoot either hand. So if they want to have a horse competition, I would probably pick my. I would probably. It'd be very interesting if Luka, Mike Collie and Steph Curry were to enter it. It'd be very interesting because both, all three of them can make some crazy ridiculous ass shots.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, they do, man, they do. I'm gonna tell you something, Luca ar they gonna have to get on the bandwagon with Braun Ocho, you know, like it's gonna take at least two of them to probably explode to, you know, to get a game in Minnesota because they seeking Luka every trip, bro. So you gotta imagine this. He got the ball in his hand on offense almost every play if Ron ain't got it. And then defensively it's like we seeking for you every play. So he's having to exert a lot of energy to, you know, to be able to, you know, put his stamp on the game, man. But yeah, he got, he gonna have to step up for him.
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Savannah Guthrie
Like I did and have one of your Assistant's assistants switch you to Mint Mobile today. I'm told it's super easy to do@mintmobile.com Switch upfront payment of $45 for three month plan equivalent to $15 per month required. Intro rate first three months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra. See full terms@mintmobile.com yeah, well, I think, look, you gotta make him work because I'm not gonna let you. I'm not gonna let you rest on the defensive end so you can punish me and use all of your energy for offense. That's how you. That's how you make an offensive player exert energy. You make him work on the defensive end. So, hey, oh, oh, you think you're gonna drop 40 on me and coast on it in? No, you're not, right? Cause I'm gonna try to give you 30, right? I'm gonna try to make you exert energy. And now I'm gonna put your ass in the pick and roll. I'm gonna make you fight over picks. I'm gonna attack you. Cause I'm gonna make you exert, burn some of that energy so you don't have as much on the other end. I agree with you, Joe. I think. And the thing is, is that when you say go off, they need to go off in an efficient manner. You can't take 20 shots and make four and say, well, I had 25 points. That's not good. You need to go off like LeBron. You need to go off in an efficient manner for it to mean something. And so I agree with you. I think those two guys, Luque and LeBron, probably need to team up for about right. In order for them to win this series. They're gonna. That 77 was good, but they might need to be around the 85, 90 between the three of them. Joe, somebody gonna need to have a 40 point. Somebody gonna have to have a high 20 or low 30. And the other guy's gonna have to be in the mid-20s in order for them because I can't count on the other guys that's gonna. I can't go in and say, well, I know Finney Smith gonna give me 12 tonight. Well, Rui gonna probably give me 16. I can't go in thinking that. Right, right, right. You know, we put a game plan together. Ocho, I like. Okay, Ocho gonna give me his eight. Who's gonna give me probably five to six. Okay, I can rest. This old Chris Henry, he probably gonna give me four. One's gonna probably be about 30 40. So I can pencil that in. I kind of know what I'm gonna get.
- [27:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
- [27:45]
Savannah Guthrie
Right outside of the. Outside of your top three. I'm not sure what I'm going to get from Rui. I'm not sure. I'm not really counting on a whole lot of points from Vando. I'm counting maybe 13 from Gabe Vincent. I don't know what I'm going to get from anybody else. And so it's hard because those guys go off, they can still possibly lose. But I know if those guys don't go off, they don't have a chance. Yeah.
- [28:09]
Joe Johnson
And listen, it's damn near just a three. I want to say two man, because sometimes, you know, Reed Reeves can. Reez can get hot. And when Reeves was on, he's on. But I like LeBron's approach to the game tonight. He didn't come out trying to facilitate. He came out and established dominance early, which he didn't do in game two. Luka was on fire. He allowed Luka to stay in rhythm. But LeBron approached the game differently tonight. You know what? I'm going to get myself a rhythm and let the game go. Let the game come to everybody else, as it will, as it may. Luka wasn't feeling well tonight. Something had to be wrong or whatever it is. They got to fix it for the next game. Which is Sunday, right?
- [28:45]
Savannah Guthrie
I think so. I think the next game is going to be Sunday.
- [28:47]
Joe Johnson
Oo yeah, the next game is Sunday. I, I think, I think it would behoove LeBron to. To approach the game this same manner and being very aggressive early in the game. I think he had 16. But in the second quarter, something like that.
- [29:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, he had 20.
- [29:01]
Savannah Guthrie
LeBron. LeBron had 14. He had 14. He had 14 in the second. He had 6 in the first, 14 in the second. He didn't. Yeah, he was like, okay. I think he. I. I think o. He might have had five, seven. Might have had like seven in the second and the third quarter. And then he caught. Had a back to back threes and it looked like he was about to let another one. Cause Luka got a pass up to him in a hurry and he just fumbled it. And then the next thing you know, they come back down. Cause when he smoked that layup, they hit a three, then he fumbled the ball. And then they come back and they get enough. They get so that those are swings and points and in momentum when you do things like that. And you know, it normally happens like that. Joe, you smoke one on one end they come back and get points on the other end. Yeah, you turn the ball over and now they right back at you in your kitchen. Yep.
- [29:44]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You got to take care of that rock, man. Especially in the playoffs. You know, every possession, you know, is, is, is, is valuable. But here's my thing. You got ant. Man ain't even shooting no free throws tonight, man. He still ain't to me. He had 29 tonight, but he still ain't had one of them games, one of them signature games. You know, I'm. I'm looking for him to go off about 40, 45.
- [30:07]
Savannah Guthrie
I'm hoping so. Because if he go for 45, Jaden Daniels not gonna get 22 shots. So I hope you write it.
- [30:13]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I hope you write it. May be okay. He might be one of them efficient ones. You know, he was the best three point shooter in the NBA this year. He was five.
- [30:20]
Savannah Guthrie
He had the most. Yeah, he had the most threes. He wasn't the best.
- [30:23]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He had the most threes. Listen, he was 5 for 10 from the three tonight. He's shooting that three ball now.
- [30:29]
Savannah Guthrie
Yeah, but if you think about it, McDaniels was 13 or 22, 12 or 26. I can live with that. But he got him. He made about three in that fourth quarter. He made some threes in the fourth that counted. That basically just. Okay, the game's over. And that's what you do. You want the closer. You want your closer when he come in, Mo Rivera, when the Yankees got to the ninth, sometimes he got a four out save. But most of the time, Ocho, when they open that bullpen in the ninth inning and they say, enter the sandman. And he come out that thing and he, you know, he got one pitch and all he thought is that fastball, the cutter. Yeah, he go, that. That's my closer. And that's what you want. You want your closer. I will put the ball in your hands. Delivers, get us this win. They put the ball in that man's hand and he made every right play. He hit the open guy or he finished at the rim. So I cannot complain about, you know, they had a lead. Cause look, the Lakers like, okay, we gonna make. Y'all gonna earn this one close ball game. What did they do? Three instead of being. Now you're up five. Yeah. What he do again? He come back two point, another three. Give it to me. Give it to me now. Come on now. Come on. I've been waiting for this. I've been waiting for it. Yeah. So I cannot complain because ant man did what he was supposed to do. And, and, and I, I'm thinking, if you're a Coach, you are JJ Redick. Joe, you ain't thinking. Jay McDaniel about to give you a 30 bomb. No, Joe, you ain't thinking. No, no, hey, give me, give me the stats. How many times did Jay McDaniels have? 30 in the season.
- [32:07]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
This is a career high for him. It was a career high for him. Okay, it was a career. But listen, when you got your, when you got your main guy, ant man, pushing for him, pushing for his costar, you know, feeding that confidence into him like that, like, he gonna perform like this at home. You know, he gonna have some, some, some career high games. I'm looking for him to have another one.
- [32:26]
Savannah Guthrie
I'm not, I'm gonna be honest with you, because he's a starter, but he's a role player. And role players, then I will say, I concede this. They normally play better at home. Yeah, your third, fourth receivers, they normally play better at home. Crowd backing them as opposed to on the road. And so we understand guys are very familiar in their environment. Got no problem with that. But I'm not counting on him to give me another 30 piece. Julius Randall, like you said, he the bulldog. You're asking an awful lot, because you don't really. Because if you ask LeBron to bang with you basically the whole night, he ain't gonna be getting nothing on offense. Not at point. Not the bang, not the bang, the bang. Cause Julius trying to bang.
- [33:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And listen, that's. Julius, that's why you had them little mishaps at the end of the game. Mislay up just a fumble of the ball. Because I knew if he caught that ball clean, he probably gonna let it R3.
- [33:26]
Savannah Guthrie
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The one he smoked, he smoked D. That one, he like, man, I ain't got, I ain't got it in me. Hey, he got it in me. I, I a got it in me tonight. But I, I, I thought, I thought, look, you can, we can sit here and say, yeah, they missed too many free throws. Yes, they turned the ball over, but somebody forced those turnovers. Now to miss free throws that a, that, that you just missed. That's a lack of concentration. And you can't miss six free throws in the first half. You can't, because now you're trying to stretch the lead. But those turnovers, some of them, I mean, Luka dribbed the ball off the back of half, the back of his foot. Rudy Gobert Snatch. Rudy. Rudy Gobert took the ball out your hand, Luka. Really, hey.
- [34:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Weighing him down. Weighing him down, huh? He weighing him down. Game three, you know, from you picking up, from game one, picking up that energy and effort, making it work on both ends of the floor. At some point, this is the plan, is to wear him down to where he make those mental type of mistakes. And you know, it helps the Timberwolves. And that's kind of what's been happening.
- [34:30]
Savannah Guthrie
Well, that's how you have to do it. I mean, you got a guy like Luca, he's immensely confident. He sees a couple go in. Now he's gonna start, he's gonna like, okay, okay, okay, I got it. But and the thing is with him, if you watch him, he can miss three or four or threes and then he'll go on the hot stretch and he'll make four or four. The shot that he hit on Julius Randall, he had no shot. He had no business making that, man. I don't know, I don't even know what happened. First of all, I don't even know why he took it. Listen, let alone make it, it was.
- [34:59]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Some elite shot making. I'm talking about tonight. I'm talking about them dudes was making some tough shots, bro. And this is why we watch, man. The game was, it was definitely fun to watch tonight. Them dudes competing at a super high level. Which is why we starting to deal with a lot of these injuries in this postseason too, by the way. Yeah, guys are playing hard, man. And you having these freak, freak accidents, man. You know, one little, one little injury could, could, you know, derail some teams playoff hopes, you know what I mean?
- [35:28]
Savannah Guthrie
You're right. And I think the thing is, is that got. First of all, the Lakers are really challenged defensively because you got a 41 year old guy that was an all NBA player, but he can't move like he once could. Yeah, Luca and Ar, they're not good defensive players. So you got three guys really, that are not defense. First of all, when you put those guys out there, Ru is not known as a defender. That's not what he's good at. Dorian Fennie Smith is okay. I wouldn't say he's an elite defender, but I think he's okay. He's adequate. So you got a bunch of guys, you got a bunch of guys that don't defend at a high level and they can't protect one another, right? So now I don't got no. When I put Lebron at the 5. Yeah, he your backline defense or Rui playing the 5. Whomever, 4 or 5. Doesn't matter. Yeah, because when.
- [36:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, because when Ant man come through there, it's old lady. Old lady. He coming to that.
- [36:21]
Savannah Guthrie
You ain't gonna put me on your card. Cause don't nobody buy poster no more. They got cars. They got. And so you're not gonna have Ant man siding sliding over the top of my.
- [36:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, I can't believe Lucas joke with that man all the way. He was thinking about Luke out here tripping.
- [36:37]
Savannah Guthrie
Hey, I tried. You know, in the playoffs, Joe, you do things you don't normally do. Right there, ojo. You know what I'm saying? You go over the building like, damn, that's really high. But I got to give it an effort. No, hey, you know. You know you gonna get blown up like. Damn. Hey, how far you back? How far you back now? Okay, Joe. I'm looking like that.
- [37:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [37:04]
Savannah Guthrie
Okay, now. Oh, look at me.
- [37:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, look. I would have been already on that block over there before he even went baseline. Just to let him know, don't even come this way because I'm cutting you out. That man come baseline. Boy, I knew it was over with.
- [37:17]
Savannah Guthrie
Oh, yeah. Hey, I gotta catch it. Hey, you jump. I will catch it. Run the other way with you. You ain't gonna jump. You ain't ducking on me. I'm gonna run the other way with you. Man, what you doing? Hey, hey. You're not gonna put me. You're not gonna put me on no poster.
- [37:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Don't nobody want that smoke when that.
- [37:33]
Savannah Guthrie
Young boy come a get. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not fitting to be on your highlight. I'm. I'm not gonna do it. I'm not. I'm not. Your game four is Sunday. Probably n. It's gonna be. It's probably gonna be the late game. Probably gonna be late game. What time. What time. What time do they play? Ash, Ash, go look up the. The time they pro. What? What you thinking, Joe? You think they gonna be, what, the third game?
- [38:01]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It gonna be prime time? They playing in Minnesota.
- [38:04]
Savannah Guthrie
I don't think. I don't think they're gonna be prime time because who it's gonna be the second game, 330 game. It is. It is. It's not. Well, I guess 5:30 would be considered prime, but it's gonna be. It's gonna be a must. Probably ABC game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you got Ant man and Luca.
- [38:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [38:24]
Savannah Guthrie
Cause ain't nobody. Ain't nobody else got stars. Like that. You got Ant man, you got Luca, you got Braun. Yeah. Ain't nobody else got three superstars playing like that. Not Boston, not, not Indy, Milwaukee, not the Knicks and Detroit. So nobody has what they have. Okay, so New York, Detroit is the 10:00am game. Lakers, Minnesota is 12:30, and you got Boston, Orlando. Huh? 10:00am No, 10:00am which means it's 1, 1, 1. It's one East coast as you're looking at it at a specific time. But no, it's 1:00 and it's the 3:30 game and then you got the, the 7 and then you got the 6:30 game. So it's gonna be, they gonna bounce back. I like, hey, I, I, I'm not overly concerned. I'm not over concerned.
- [39:18]
Joe Johnson
I love, I love, I, I love the confidence. I love the confidence. Huh? I love the confidence that you have in your Lakers. I like it.
- [39:25]
Savannah Guthrie
Yeah. We're gonna have a very interesting, a very different conversation on Sunday night, Joe. Don't worry.
- [39:32]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, they need to win game four.
- [39:35]
Savannah Guthrie
We gonna win. They don't need you. He done one.
- [39:38]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, okay. Okay.
- [39:40]
Savannah Guthrie
All right. Hey, hey. Go. Hey. Now, you know, you saw, you saw just a sample of what Go. James is capable of. You just saw a sample.
- [39:49]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I know what he could do.
- [39:50]
Savannah Guthrie
Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.
- [39:52]
Joe Johnson
Matter of fact, matter of fact, how.
- [39:53]
Savannah Guthrie
Confident are you, as a matter of fact, we gonna get to my money? Cause you tell you gonna have my money in Green Bay. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
- [40:00]
Joe Johnson
Scale of 1 to 10, scale of 1 to 10, how confident in the Lakers winning game, win. Winning game? 4.
- [40:05]
Savannah Guthrie
8.5.
- [40:06]
Joe Johnson
8 point on a scale of 1 to 10, 8.5.
- [40:11]
Savannah Guthrie
Is it e joint cod that don't.
- [40:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, you better look at some of them profile you was talking about. You better send them some of them to get him, right?
- [40:20]
Savannah Guthrie
You gonna need it. Yeah.
- [40:22]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
L. You gonna tell you?
- [40:27]
Joe Johnson
No. Excuse me.
- [40:28]
Savannah Guthrie
Before we get to the rest of these NBA games, we gotta start to talk about what happened not only yesterday. Last night, o you and I were at Lambeau field for the first round of the draft. But today, rounds two and three has passed, and Shador Sanders hasn't been selected. 102 picks, five quarterbacks selected. Cam Ward. Cam Ward went number one overall. No surprise there. We knew that once he had his workout, they canceled all other official visits. That told me everything I needed to know. Boom. Now, Jackson Dart, Tyler Schuck, Jalen Milroe, Dylan Gabriel. Now, for context, I want to provide context. O. Joke because that's what we like to do. Daniel Jeremiah has Shadour, the second ranked quarterback four days ago. Cam Ward was the eighth overall best player. Shador was the 20th best overall player. Jackson Dark the 36th overall best player. Tyler Shook 75th overall best player. Jalen Milroe 86th. Dylan Gabriel 148. Mel Kuiper Jr. The guru just four days ago had Shador ranked over Cam Ward. He has Shador as the fifth best player. Cam Ward is the sixth best player. Jackson Dart at the 28th. The best player, Tyler Shook 46. Pro Football Focus had him second behind Cam Ward just yesterday morning. But we saw today Cam Ward. Cam ward went first. The giants traded back into the first round. Ocho to take Jackson dart in 25th. Tyler shook with 40 to the saints. And we thought there Shador could possibly be nine. Go nine to the Saints there. Nope. They take Tyler shook, Jalen Milroe 92nd overall to the Seattle Seahawks and Dylan Gabriel 94th to the Browns. Now they were talking about, well, Shador arm, you know, you're outside in Cleveland, and then you got.
- [42:37]
Joe Johnson
Don't start that shit.
- [42:38]
Savannah Guthrie
No, I'm just. Give me a second. Give me a second, Ocho. Baltimore, outside Pittsburgh, outside Cincinnati, Cleveland. I don't see where Dylan Gabriel arm is any stronger than Shador's. I could be wrong. I could be. I could be. But I don't know. And I know I'm gonna turn it over to you, Ocho, because I know Joe got questions. I'm gonna turn it over to you. I'm gonna say this before I do, Ocho. In all my years that I go back to, like, really following the draft and understanding where players are getting drafted back in 87, in almost 40 years, I've never seen anything like this.
- [43:14]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I've never seen nothing like this myself. Obviously, I know I only played a short time, but I've been around long enough to know, obviously, the year that the 1112 years I did play, and all the time I've been retired and enjoying the game and watching it from afar and understanding how good players are, regardless of what scouts may say, the eye in the sky doesn't lie. I watched the Door play from high school to college in Jackson State to what he was able to do at Colorado. I want everybody to understand that you're never bigger than the program. You'll never be bigger than the program, no matter who you are. And they will show you. They will always remind you at any given time, if at any point you think you are Bigger than the program. And that is all we see. And that's all we're seeing right now, Joe. That is all we are seeing right now. Regards to who you are. There's some things I think prime might have said. I don't want to quote it, but he was he where he said it.
- [44:17]
Savannah Guthrie
Similar to, there's some places I don't want to go. We're not going to go. Bingo.
- [44:21]
Joe Johnson
What Archie Manning said when it came to Eli. Same thing. No different. Anyway, I got something today I really want to read. Chad, I want you to listen to me real quick. I'm not here to disturb. I'm happy for everybody that got drafted. I want you to listen to something that was sent, that was sent to me on Instagram chat. Y'all stay with me real quick and just listen to me very, very closely. What we are witnessing once again is the machinery of a system that is never quite known what to do with a free black man, much less than a free black family. The NFL, with all its pageantry and power, find itself uncomfortable, even threatened, when the likes of the Sanders family walk into a room, not asking for a seat at the table, but daring to bring their own. Dion Chador. This family has refused to shrink, to fit the confines laid out for them. And so the machine does what it has always done. It seeks to diminish, to distort, to remind them and us that there is still a place for black folk and is not at the head of the table, but in tragedy. You see, it's not in their refusals to bow, but is in the nation's fear of black excellence unchained, the fear that has always been the real danger. Not the power of our stride, but the shadow we cast when we stand upright, unafraid and unapologetically ourselves.
- [45:53]
Savannah Guthrie
Yeah, I was talking to my sister. She said, well, you thanks your door. I said, libby, I'm gonna be honest with you. If he don't go in the second round, I think he might slide out of the third.
- [46:07]
Joe Johnson
Uncle, it's all a game. It's all a game.
- [46:11]
Savannah Guthrie
Look, Pocho, you. Your draft. Your draft story. My brother's draft story was a lot different than mine. My brother didn't have to wait long. First round, seventh pick. Boom. He gone on a plane. On a plane to Green Bay. Boom. You second round.
- [46:28]
Joe Johnson
Hey, hold with. With red flags, with character issues, school to school, bouncing over and over.
- [46:35]
Savannah Guthrie
Why'd he go here?
- [46:36]
Joe Johnson
Why'd he go here? Bad still, second round. We taking a chance on him. Me there ain't no. No off the field issues with Shador?
- [46:45]
Savannah Guthrie
Nope.
- [46:46]
Joe Johnson
No issues. No nothing. Oh, he's arrogant. Oh, he's cocky.
- [46:49]
Savannah Guthrie
I have a question.
- [46:51]
Joe Johnson
What would Johnny Manziel.
- [46:53]
Savannah Guthrie
Oh. Give you one better? What was Baker Mayfield?
- [46:56]
Joe Johnson
What was Baker Mayfield? What was Baker Mayfield. Okay, now. Now, now what I will say when it comes to college and you watch film that. Oops, I'm sorry. Johnny Manziel and Baker Mayfield. What they played. What? They were absolutely awesome. But again, you can't take away what Shadow was able to do at a Denver, Colorado team that won one game. They come back the next year with Shador, win four, and I'm not sure.
- [47:22]
Savannah Guthrie
What this past season, and then the next year, I think they win nine.
- [47:26]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I heard.
- [47:27]
Savannah Guthrie
You can't. What did I hear, Ocho? I heard someone says that his confidence doesn't match his game. So in other words, he does a lot of talking and his game is not indicative of the type of bravado. What?
- [47:42]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey. Okay, Ojo. So the question is, do y'all even think he'll get drafted at this point? I mean, what we do? We threw three rounds already.
- [47:51]
Savannah Guthrie
Ooh, Lord have mercy, Joe.
- [47:53]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, hey, look, that's what I started to think about. I'm like, hold on. How they. Yeah, I'm only watching. I'm trying to see two get drafted. I was like, hold on.
- [48:01]
Savannah Guthrie
You know, I'm hoping. I'm hoping. I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round because here's the coacho. Okay, let me ask you this. Teams that needed a quarterback, what did they do? They took a quarterback in the second or the third round. Yeah. Well, if you already took a quarterback in the second or third round, what's it like, you taking a quarterback in the fourth, fifth, sixth or seventh round?
- [48:22]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [48:24]
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Savannah Guthrie
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- [50:36]
Joe Johnson
So now you, now you tell. Now you're telling me the people that you did pick in the second and third round, you feel they're better than Shador. So at what point does he come on a team as I'm, I'm not even gonna mention anything about free agency. What if they prove a point and make it wait to the seven?
- [50:54]
Savannah Guthrie
It's possible. O. Joe.
- [50:55]
Joe Johnson
I mean, what, what, what, what point are they trying to prove? Especially at this point? Joe, I've never, I've never, ever seen anything like this.
- [51:02]
Savannah Guthrie
No, I haven't.
- [51:02]
Joe Johnson
I'm not talking about. I'm not talking about black and white. I'm. I ain't talking about none of that. I'm talking about based on what I've seen on film with my own eyes.
- [51:09]
Savannah Guthrie
Based on where he was compared to.
- [51:10]
Joe Johnson
Other quarterbacks, compared to other quarterbacks outside of Cam Ward. What are we looking at? Yeah, I'm not a scout. I'm not a gm, But I do have conversations. I do understand and know the game. You're not telling me everybody that has drafted before him, what are we talking about again? I'm happy for everybody that got Drafted?
- [51:30]
Savannah Guthrie
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying we're not trying to diminish anybody. We're trying to make sense of what we're seeing with Shador. Because I think the thing is, once Ocho, if there was an injury that we didn't know about, we saw Will Howard, the cornerback, out of what you call him, he had a propensity. When they gave him the scan, they say he has a high risk for knee injury. So he slid down. Okay. If there's a red flag that we don't know about, but I don't. The guy got great. He was on the, I think, the honor roll. I think he had a great gpa. He's never been in trouble. The numbers speak for themselves. So for me to see a guy rated this high with no issue, that's what's puzzling. Look, like I said, Ocho, you and. I don't know. Excuse me. What? Those 32 teams and how they view him.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right.
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Savannah Guthrie
You know, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You think that's good? I don't think that bad. You like red? I like black. You like this? I like that. So I don't know. I don't know. Based on the rankings of all these people that get paid to do this and if their opinion is subjective, but nobody, I don't think anybody really has your door pan. Ward's like Mel Kuiper has. Shador, one, as far as quarterback, most everybody had him, two behind Cam Ward. But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop, and guys. I mean, some guys had Dylan Gabriel, when he had it, ranked the 148th best player. Melrod the 86th best player, Tyler Shook, 75th. Shador almost never got past the 20th best player in the draft. He was 20th on some people's board. He was the fifth best player on some people's board. And he's a day three possible. Well, that's it. It's day three. So you get one, two, and then you go, you know, rounds four through seven.
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Joe Johnson
Listen, I've never seen collusion like this before, ever. I've never seen it. And you know what it is? Let's call a spade a spade. For those that are watching, for those that are in the chat. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with those that were drafted before him. I'm just saying, based on my knowledge of the game and understanding of football and what I've watched throughout the years, especially from that specific position, now the only thing I Can say the only red flag for them, it's his approach to the game and his confidence. I'm assuming that they don't like that. But how do you not want a player to feel the way he feels? How do you not want a player that believes in himself and his skill set and what he's done and worked his ass off to get to? That could be the only thing. But that, that can't be a bad thing because there have been other players that has come, that have come before him that approach the same game with that same demeanor and same attitude and belief, similar to him. So to me, it really makes no sense. But again, nothing. And they will always, time and time remind us in certain instances that you will never be bigger than the machine or the program. And that's all this is. That's all it comes down to.
- [54:42]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And it could be a, it could be a good thing for him too, you know what I mean? If he do get an opportunity, he carried that chip on his shoulder, man, you know what I mean? For all the doubters, the naysayers, the people who didn't believe in him, the teams who continue to pass up on him, you know what I mean? You use that fire and desire when you touch the field, bro. You know, you let them know what's up. So I don't know, it could be a blessing in disguise, Tom Brady.
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Savannah Guthrie
But see people that when Tom Brady win the sixth round. But Tom Brady wasn't as rated as high as Shador. Tom Brady was a backup basically his whole career except the last six, seven games of his senior season.
- [55:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right, Right.
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Savannah Guthrie
So that's the difference. And like I said, Tom Brady turned out to be what Tom Brady turned out to be. I had a very similar story to Shadore because people like, well, if he was that good, why didn't he go to a D1 school? Well, with my grades, I couldn't have got into juke code, only place I could get into because there was no, you know, you didn't have to have the same standardized testing grade to get into a Division 2 school as you did a Division 1. Because my year old show, 1986, it would have it, that was the first year of Prop 48. So you had to make 700. Remember I told you my credit score by 4? Yeah, that was also my SAT score by 4. Now they give you a Honda to put your name on the thing. I don't know, I might have got that wrong. I might have left the er. I might have left the ER for my Own name? I'm not sure. I'm not sure, Joe. Hey, don't hold me to that. Don't hold me.
- [56:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm laughing with you because I was a Prop 48 when I went to college, too. I didn't have my AC score. And, you know, it was challenging. Bro, you know, we ain't take the sat. We took the ac.
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Savannah Guthrie
And, you know, back then, Ocho, you know, I played a game that. I played a game that Friday night, and then I. My sister drive. Yeah, my sister drive me to Georgia Southern to take that test. Man, they playing about them test, and I'm looking at all those students they writing. I'm just sitting there like I don't know nothing on here.
- [56:42]
Joe Johnson
Listen. You know, it's funny. Listen, I ain't even. I ain't even got no business laughing. I don't even have no business laughing because you gotta understand, I had my red flags and my character issues going to the league because of my reason for bouncing around from school to school. You gotta understand, I graduated from bti. Hell, I ain't even graduated from goddamn high school on time. My grades are so bad. Listen, Joe. Joe, don't laugh, Joe. I swear for God, listen. We family. We family. My dream. My dream was I wanted to go to famu. So I'm coming out of high school. I told my grandma, I said, mama, I want to go down to FAMU right there in Tallahassee. My grandma say, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you. It's not looking good for you. I'm gonna give you options on where you might be able to go, but it definitely ain't gonna be famu. I ended up. I ended up at Langston University, NIA School, obviously. I'm sure we have some people in the chat from. From Oklahoma. Ended up at Lancia University. Get there the first semester. I get thrown out for fighting. I get thrown out. I get thrown out for fighting. Man, I never forget, rest his soul, Dr. Ernest Holloway, rest in peace, sent me back to Miami. I come to my grandma. I told my grandma what happened. Look, you know, my roommate. I think my roommate stole my Pell grand money. My grandma said, listen, baby, I've done all I can with you. I washed my hands. I got a senior to your mama out there in la. Let me see what she could do with you.
- [58:02]
Savannah Guthrie
Damn.
- [58:03]
Joe Johnson
That's how I ended up at. That's how I ended up at Santa Monica College, 1997, with Steve Smith. Boom. That's two years down. So I played with Steve that First year, lo and behold, here I go again. I'm not going to class. I'm thinking, you know what? My skill set is going to get me through the door, man. The people don't play that. They don't play that goddamn Santa Monica.
- [58:22]
Savannah Guthrie
Oh, no.
- [58:22]
Joe Johnson
Hey, Joe. I'm ineligible the third year, so I got to sit out the third year. So that's three years down. I'm at Southwest doing classes, I'm at West LA doing classes. And I'm doing classes at Santa Monica just to get my grades together so I could play in 1999. That's four years. I go out there, I get my stuff together. I have one for one scholarship. I had two schools offer me a full ride. One for one. San Diego State Aztecs and coach Dennis Erickson. He was at Oregon State. Man, I. Hey, Joe, I squeezed through the crack. I got to Oregon State, man, all I needed, Joe, I just needed to be on the big stage, just to show them folks I could play football. That's it. But once I got to Oregon State, man, I played. I was there four months. I ain't go to nan class. I ain't go to no classes.
- [59:11]
Savannah Guthrie
You already know what it was.
- [59:13]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, this is my last shot. My singular focus was straight football, Unc. Hey, Joe, I showed out at Oregon State. That little one, that little four months I had, man, I got drafted in the second round. Despite all my issues with all my troubles, all my off the field stuff, I ain't looked bad since they asked me.
- [59:30]
Savannah Guthrie
They say, well, Shannon, your grades where the rest of them? I say, these ain't looking too good. And the ones that's coming tomorrow ain't gonna look much better. So I don't know what y'all. Oh y'all. I don't know what y'all hoping for, but that's all I got for you. Hey, that's it.
- [59:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, listen, my friend. Hey, look, my freshman year in College, Ojo Aug 48. So I couldn't play the first semester. Yeah, as a freshman, I can go to the games. I gotta sit in the stands, I gotta watch the dude. I gotta watch my homies grind out there. You know what I mean? I can't compete. I'm like. So it built up a fire in me. So when I did get eligible, I just took it out on everybody in the sec, bro.
- [60:09]
Savannah Guthrie
You know what I mean?
- [60:10]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So, yeah, sometimes when things get delayed a little bit, you know, you can must up some fire to continue. You can must up some fire when you get out there. You can Let them know what's up. You know what I mean?
- [60:22]
Savannah Guthrie
And so that's for sure.
- [60:23]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's why when it goes back to Shador, man, you know, wherever he goes, bro, I'm sure he'll be happy. And hopefully he wore that chip, man. He let him know what's up, you know, put, Put. Get back in that. Get back in that layer.
- [60:37]
Savannah Guthrie
You're absolutely right.
- [60:39]
Joe Johnson
And the funny thing about it, too, wherever Shador come, wherever he goes, I love the saying, it's not where you get drafted, it's what you do once you get there.
- [60:50]
Savannah Guthrie
Absolutely.
- [60:51]
Joe Johnson
And I understand the competitor. I understand the competitor that he is. And wherever he goes, whoever. And wherever he goes, if it's a team that doesn't have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks, his competitive nature is going to kick in, and there's a chance that he can beat those quarterbacks out despite whatever odds or collusion they have against dad. When he gets a chance, he gonna show him. I, I, I know that just the competitor in him, he's not gonna, he's not gonna, not gonna hold his head. He's not gonna let it down. He just wants that opportunity. And once they open that door and he closed it behind him. After playing the, after, after they playing the game they played these past two days, man, child, please.
- [61:40]
Savannah Guthrie
Like I said, Ocho, I went through something very similar. And I just remember having a conversation with my brother who came in there that night when I didn't go in the first three rounds. And I say, man, spank. I say, spank. I went to the East West Shrine game. I went to the blue gray. I went to the combine. I said, man, them guys that they drafted ain't better than me. I said, they not better than me. Spank. I said, I saw them. I see all of them. I said, I went to the East West Shrine Game, and I was the best receiver there. I said. I said. I said, all I want is an opportunity. Give me a helmet and some shoulder pads and hey, whoever comes, hey, I'm gonna throw all y'all ass in the water. Whoever swim back to shore, that's who. Get it?
- [62:20]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I like that.
- [62:22]
Savannah Guthrie
That's it. Hold on.
- [62:23]
Joe Johnson
And what about the reports? What about the reports? Now, this has happened. Multiple players have done this. He didn't throw at the combine.
- [62:30]
Savannah Guthrie
Yeah, but he, but he threw. But he threw at his pro day, at the pro name. Yeah, there have been a lot of guys that don't throw. Because I want to throw. I want to throw the guys that's Familiar with me. I'm familiar with them. Right. Because it's not going to bring a guy. You're not going to bring a guy in on a Sunday. And he hadn't thrown to those guys. So I want to, you know, hey, I want to say I know how my guys run routes. They know how I throw the ball. Boom. It's a perfect marriage because I want everybody to look good. And possibly Ocho, there might be some guys if I don't throw on my pro day, if I don't throw, guess what?
- [63:02]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [63:03]
Savannah Guthrie
The scouts are not going to come to see them because everybody's not going to be a first or second round pick. Might be some guys get picked up as a free agent. So I want to cast them in a good light. Yeah, I just. Look, it's tough and nothing when you're going through something. Yeah, people, are you going to be all right? Hey, at this point, at that point in time, you ain't really trying to hear that because you can't see. All I can see was what's in front of me because it takes a special type of a person to see beyond their circumstances. All I can see is right here. Not where I wish to be, not where I'm going to be. Because that's why a lot of people make decisions based on where they are currently, not where they wish to be. It's tough. It's tough. And I heard what you said and you know, and like I said, I heard people say, well, I mean, he extremely confident, but his game doesn't match the confidence. Coach prime, whatever. Look, and I don't know if anybody that selected now was even in the NFL or selected or in a position when prime was there. So I don't know how. I wouldn't, you know, guys, I don't. I don't want to make this team's gonna. Ocho. You and I played this game. We've covered this game and we've been around this game a long time. These teams gonna do what the hell they want to do. Now they done told y'all, y'all, y'all ain't gonna make a have. Have this guy quarterback or how this guy the coach. We gonna do what the hell we want to do. They're gonna select who they want to select who they. And they believe that, hey, we believe the guy and they'll tell you, we believe Dillon Brooks is better than Shador. We believe Jackson Dart. We believe Shook. We believe Milroe. We believe their upside is better than Shador. How do we how do we prove that it's not? I mean, Dylan Gabriel did throw for, had like 150. I mean, he got what, 16, 17,000 yards. He got 130, 140 plus touchdowns. I don't know, but I'm just saying, it's. I just. I. I don't know why I chat. I'm at a loss. I normally wouldn't be able to have. Give you a good. Give you a good excuse or good reason. I don't like to use the word excuse. I would like to give you a reason why I think a person or a player slid. I have some intel red flags, even though I won't tell you exactly, but I would, you know, and then I let you deduce it for yourself. Coach. Y'all don't got nothing. I don't got nothing. It's not about grades. He doesn't have a preexisting condition. He doesn't have. Oh, the character issue that he has. He's extremely confident. He believes in himself, which is. I think that one of the most important things you can have as an athlete is confidence to believe in you. Cause if you don't believe in you, who the hell else will? Joe?
- [66:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nobody.
- [66:10]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [66:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You always got to believe in yourself. Man up. Most.
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Savannah Guthrie
All those. All those days when I was training alone, wasn't nobody there. No coaches saw it, no other players. I did this. I believed in me. I believed that I was prepared for something greater, even though the circumstances that I was in currently. Look, I mean, it should tell you something. Yes, his dad gave him great opportunity, great coaches. He, he, you know, he was with Brady and he had a throwing coach, whatever the case may be. Isn't that what parents supposed to do? Put their kids in the best situation so they can succeed? So why would I, if I had the opportunity to put my kids in a situation that I think will enhance them or help them succeed. Nah, I'm not gonna do that. I want you to get it out the mud like I did. What kind of sense does that make?
- [67:03]
Joe Johnson
Nothing at all, man. So listen, listen. If you don't need 2020 vision and those in the chat, even if you don't like shad. Those in the chat, even if you don't like prime, if you have common sense and you've been watching and seeing what's going on, you know what it is at this point. You know exactly what it is. I mean, it doesn't need to be said. Even if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before, if you feel the players have Gotten drafted before Shador at the quarterback position. Even if you feel they are better, even if you do, you still know what it is. And if you don't, you just being purposely. You purposely being naive based on a personal vendetta that you might have against, you know, the Sanders family. This is never, ever, ever, ever, ever been done. No, ever been done.
- [67:48]
Savannah Guthrie
I've never seen it.
- [67:49]
Joe Johnson
And people saying. And people saying he's not good and he can't play at the next level. Like, like, stop, man, stop. You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions to find, which is why some teams haven't had success in eons. But all of a sudden he come.
- [68:08]
Savannah Guthrie
On now, should do it. Even got prank called by someone pretending to be from an NFL team and said, have to wait a little longer. Man, whoever did this, man, y'all, y'all. Y'all some clowns, bro. Man, I don't even know why. I don't even know why you would do that. I don't. I mean, at that moment, guys on edge and you're just hoping that you get a call. I mean, that's. I mean, that's the call you're really hoping that you get. Obviously you want to get it as early as you possibly can, but just. And then somebody playing on the phone. Really, guys, come on, man. Sean Payton says he's very surprised Shador hasn't been drafted yet. There'll be this chip on his shoulder. There'll be this chip on his shoulder. And beware, because this guy is going to play in this league. Shador is in good spirits after not getting drafted in day two. God don't make mistakes. I got faith in God no matter what. Yeah. Check this out. Kyla Shook was Justin Herbert's backup. He's eight days older than Trevor Lawrence, was a freshman at Oregon with Bo.
- [69:16]
Joe Johnson
Bo.
- [69:17]
Savannah Guthrie
He turns 26 when the season starts and he's had three seasons that ended in injury. So now you talk about what you remember I said, does he have an injury history? Does he have red flags that we don't know about, Right? Here's a guy that's about to be 26, had seasons in three different occasions with an injury. All I'm saying, y'all chat, take and do with that, whatever you like. I think it's right. I think we have to. Ocho and I, when we talk sports, when we talk, we have to give you context.
- [69:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
This is.
- [69:56]
Savannah Guthrie
Okay, this guy went here because I'm trying to explain. Well, Shannon, maybe he has a pre existing condition. Maybe there's a character issue off the field. Maybe he has some kind of a problem. We don't know. But we know one guy is about to be 26. I don't know about you, Ocho, but when I got drafted, I was 22.
- [70:16]
Joe Johnson
Shoot, I don't even know how old I was.
- [70:18]
Savannah Guthrie
I was 22, as a matter of fact. I got drafted in april. I was 21 when I got drafted. I turned. Turned 22 in June. This guy's about to turn 26. It's. There's nothing. There's nothing we can do. We can just talk about it and then hope Shador makes the best of it. Joe, let me ask you this. What do you think? What's the equivalent of something like this happening in the NBA? Do you know a player that was rated extremely high, and not only did he fall out of the supposed to be a lottery pick, maybe a top five lottery pick, Slid all the way out of the first round, slid all the way out of the second round because they only have two rounds in the NBA and ended up having to become NBA free agent.
- [71:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The one person I can really remember is probably Rashad Lewis. Him sitting in the green room. Cause, you know, they. To the draft, and I think he was probably the last one in the green room. And I think he thought he was going lottery, and I think he ended up going in the second round.
- [71:18]
Savannah Guthrie
Okay.
- [71:19]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that's tough, bro. Like, I couldn't imagine that. Like, it's already anxiety, you know, from being in there. They told me I was gonna be a top 10 pick, Uncle Ocho. So I was invited to. I was invited to the green room. I'm sitting in there, look. Even though, you know, people. People done made promises and all that, but I'm like, man, you never know, bro. You never.
- [71:38]
Savannah Guthrie
Right?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what I mean? So. But it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted, getting. Getting a chance to shake David Stern's hand. Just a memorable moment for me. And, man, I remember it like it was yesterday, bro. But, yeah, outside of Rashad, I don't really know nobody who's kind of got left back there like that. But it's got to be a tough feeling, you know what I mean? And look, yeah, Rashad had a great career from that, bro. He probably still wears that chip on his shoulders to this day.
- [72:09]
Savannah Guthrie
You're probably right. When you look at, I mean, Thurman Thomas, Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep. He thought he was gonna be a first round pick. He goes in the second round. Thurman's in the hall of Fame. He won the he run the MVP and I think 91. So yeah, but a precipitous fall like this, I can't recall it.
- [72:36]
Joe Johnson
Never ever the volume.
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