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Nightcap - Hour 1: Timberwolves BEAT the Lakers to win the series 4-1 & Rockets beat the Warriors to extend series!
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Shannon Sharpe
The volume in the words of Florida Evans Damn damn damn. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me. I am your favorite unc Shannon Sharp. The guy that's coming into your screen is my co host, Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of fame artery, the Pro Bowler, the All Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And because he wanted to cash in on his dinner, he wasn't supposed to come on until Friday. He like, hey, I want to come on tonight. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Arkansas's own ISO Joe Johnson. Good to have y'all. Joe, please make sure you hit the subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you so much for your support. Thank you so much for your continued support. Thank you guys for being so accepting of Joe. He's done an unbelievable job. We look forward to having him in the fall full time as our regular basketball contributor. But thank you for all your support and your continued support. Make sure you go check out Shay by La Portier now. If you cannot find it in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. Is the best tasting via BSOP on the market, is tried and true and has been tested by you, the consumer. So we'll ship it to you. Please drink responsibly and stay safe while you're out there. Check out my media company page on all of his platforms, Shay, Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited, so get yours while supplies last because once they're gone, they are gone. Tickets for our Not Safe for Work tour are on sale. Our eight stops goes as follows. Baltimore, Philly, Charlotte, Louisiana, Miami, nyc, Chicago, and we'll close things out in Detroit. Tickets can be found@shay media.com tour shay media.com tour that link is pinned in the chat also. Can't wait till you see our guest lineup. Hey, it's going to be really, really fun. Make sure if we're sitting near you, come out and check out your favorite on Enough oo. You won't miss it. You don't want to miss it. Go get your tickets now. The T Wolves knock out the Lakers. Guys, I was pressed for time. What I meant to say Lakers going home in five. That's what I meant. But y'all, you know, y'all, y'all. Don't let me finish my thoughts. Don't let me finish my sentences. If somebody would have told me, Joe, that Ant man was going to struggle shooting the ball tonight and they were going to win this game because Rudy Gobert was going to be one of the few guys in a playoff game to have a 2020 game, I would have said, okay, I like that Rudy Gobert came Into the game, averaging three points and six rebounds on the night. And he gave you 27 and 24. He gave you nine offensive rebounds. They had 18 offensive rebounds. They crushed the Lakers on the glass, 54 to 37, 18, eight on the offensive end, 36 to 29 on the defensive end, for a total of 54 for the Wolves, 37 for the Lakers. And you get Ant man shooting 5 of 19 for 15 points. You got Jaden Daniel that was in foul trouble. He ended up filing out with only eight points. Mike Conley did hit a big three down the stretch, but he only had eight points. But again, it was the undoing of their bench. They got 22 points from their bench. The Lakers got four. I'm going to say this and I'm going to turn it over to you, Joe. J.J. stubborn for him not to play Jackson Hayes to play Maxi Cleber, who hadn't played, I don't know the last time he played. And you play him and a lot of these guys like, and like I'm saying, I'm not saying it would have made a difference, but it's like you're not. Don't play the guy at all after Rudy because you put LeBron into four. You're so small. Yeah, you're really, really small. Cause LeBron is six, nine. So LeBron is the tallest guy you got. And Rudy just was playing tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. What did you like? How did, how were the Wolves able to win this game and on the road in a hostile environment?
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Chad Ochocinco
I think the T Wolves really knew it was at stake tonight. You know, knowing that they wanted to try to go and get this over with. You know, the Lakers look so lethargic to start the game. It's like they did the T Wolves.
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Shannon Sharpe
No sense of urgency.
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Chad Ochocinco
The T Wolves had all the energy. They had the sense of urgency as if they was on the brink, you know what I mean? And they kind of controlled the. The whole entire game. It was, it wasn't one time in the game where I thought the Lakers, you know, even though they made their little surge at the end.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, got a one point lead. Y.
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Chad Ochocinco
But I never felt threatened that they was going to win the game. I'm going be honest. They just had no fluidity offensively, no, no chemistry. It was just pick and roll. Try to exploit Braun in the post. And man, even though Ant man didn't, he didn't shoot well, I thought he put a lot of pressure on those guys. And Rudy won the game for you. This is why you probably put Dorian Finney Smith at the 5. Because you really want to eliminate Rudy. You want to get him to where he can't play. He's bound to have a game like this to where he can win you a game. And tonight, I mean, man, everything was falling this way from the lobs, the putbacks, just being aggressive. Randle, probably I give him the game, but I know Rudy was special tonight. But Randle, they have no answer for him when they run the pick and roll and get a mismatch. Even if they play great defense, he's still banging them one time, getting to a great shot, you know what I mean? So their interior just has no presence. And we knew this coming into the playoffs. We knew they had no interior presence. And tonight's show, man, they got wore down in this series. And the young T Wolves took advantage, man of a wounded animal, because they didn't have Ocho.
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Shannon Sharpe
You and I talked about this. Ocho. I said, ocho, they don't have a big. Yeah. I said if they run into somebody with a big, that can punish them. We were looking at. I was looking at it from a standpoint. Well, okay, okay. If they run into Jokic or if they run in. And I'm trying to think of the bigs that was in there, maybe if they run into Sing Shingoon. But I wasn't thinking about Rudy Gobert because I don't think of Rudy Gobert as an offensive weapon. This was Rudy Gobert's 27 points. Playoff career high. 24 rebounds playoff career high. Oo. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna let you have it after this.
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Joe Johnson
Yes, sir.
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Shannon Sharpe
Players with at least 25 points and 20 re and 20 rebounds on 75% field goal shooting. How you like these names? Shaquille O'Neal, Will Chamberlain, Moses Malone, Ho Grant, Wes Umsel, Rudy Gobert, Shaq MVP. Will 4 times MVP. Moses 3 time MVP. Ho. Grant was a very important cod to a championship in Chicago and in the. At the Lakers West Unsell. He just happened to been rookie of the year and MVP in the same season, but also in the hall of Fame.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah, I thought it was. I thought it was great tonight. I thought Rudy was great.
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Shannon Sharpe
He.
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Chad Ochocinco
He's in there with some of the greats now, you know, and he gave the Lakers. He gave him problems tonight, Uncle. Oo, you know, they. They had no. But I thought he played great off of Randle and Edwards, you know what I mean? Meaning by their aggression getting to the basket, whether it's him getting put help come that Kind of got him going because he scored.
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Shannon Sharpe
It opened him up. Yeah, because now you come to help, you come, guy gets beat, you go to help, you see him lobbing. Because here's the thing, they didn't run that one play for Rudy.
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Chad Ochocinco
Nah.
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Shannon Sharpe
All he did was get. He called lobs and he got it off the rim and dunked it home.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, and he got some early. He got. He got a couple easy layups and dunks early, which kind of got him going. And he kind of carried that throughout the whole night. And defensively, he was a monster. Blocking shots, altering shots. And offensively he was just a cleanup man.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, what you think, Ojo?
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Joe Johnson
Hey, listen, not only was it a cleanup man to piggyback on what Joe talk about. Listen, when you get cut and they tell you not to get an ocean, they tell you not to get an ocean for a reason. Because once shark smell blood in the water, boy, they coming to get you. And the Timberwolf spell, they smell blood tonight. A game like this, three one, you know, you got to put some type of effort, some type of intensity going forward. The Lakers came out, they came out flat. They came out flat. The wolves had already beat them, beat him at home before. So coming to again, coming into the hostile environment, they already got confidence. Listen, we've already done it before, so what's the chance that we can do it again? The likelihood is probably good. Even with Anthony Edward not having the type of game he has to have you have the unlikely person that comes out and wins the game for you. Rudy Gobert, he dominated both, both ends of the court, neutralize the LA LA drives. Having he feasted on second chance points. Looking bad. It's looking bad.
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Shannon Sharpe
It was bad.
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Joe Johnson
Listen, and no, I, I don't, I don't know how you feel. I feel for you. Even with Anthony really struggling from the field, Julius Randle, they had no answer for him. They answered for him, you know, and he's a.
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Shannon Sharpe
He's a big body that loves to bang. It takes it out of you. Like I said, if you told me that the Ant man gonna play 43 minutes, Joe, he gonna go 5 and 19 from the floor. He'll be 0 of 11 from 3. I said, oh, Joe, we got this one in the bag, man. We got. I know. Look, Julius Randall gonna give you Julius Randall number Julius gonna be somewhere between 18 and 25. Okay? I'm not worried. So. So. But you telling me Ant man is gonna struggle. So I'm looking. Okay, so who else can win a game? I saw Jaden Daniels play really well. Nas Reed has had a game. NASA Reed played 21 minutes. He gave you three points. Yeah, I mean, DiVincenzo, he was three or 13, two of 12. He gave you nine points. Nikhil Alexander Walker, he gave you 10 points. That was the bench production. But if you tell me they gonna, hey, y'all, the Lakers are gonna hold the T Ws 40% from the floor, 15% from the three point line. Oh, Joe, we go, hey, Joe, we go, hey, Joe, we going back to Minnesota and I ain't talking about to the Marlin of America. We going back to kick butt.
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Chad Ochocinco
Hey, it don't seem, it seemed like the Lakers had to exhaust almost every option just to get a bucket. It seems so hard for them to come across points. I'm like, man, why does it seem like it's so hard for them to score? And meanwhile, Minnesota just putting their head down, getting to the basket. Fouls, layups, and Will shot 30, shot.
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Shannon Sharpe
33 free throws gave Vincent the last two games and give him no points. He played 26 minutes. He did get a couple of rebounds, a couple assists, but you can't win like that. J. Vanderbilt, he's a lot like Ben Simmons. He's not really looking to score unless he got an uncontested layup or dunk. Right? So now that hurts you on the offensive end because they know that. So now his guy's gonna always look to help. Yeah, I, you know, give, give the wolves, give the Wolves credit. Um, they deserve. They, they earned this one, man. Lakers 16 points in the fourth quarter. You're right there. You, you down 10. You claw back. You outscoring 31 to 22. So you're down one and miss free throws. I don't think. Look, like I said, Luka hurt that back. And I was surprised that he was able to come back in and give you what he had. He did give you 16 points in the second half. LeBron didn't play well tonight. Rui. I thought Rui played really well tonight.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, he gave him a great boot.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, Ru, was that Ru, was that. They're hot.
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Shannon Sharpe
By hitting threes, Austin Reed struggled again. I mean, Austin Reed struggled again shooting the ball. Look, you got three guys. The Lakers are going to have to get some depth though, Joe. They're going to have to get somebody to come off the bench. They need a big bad. And I understand there's no bigs. I know, Ocho, you and I was talking about this. They got Alex Lynn. All they got is a seven foot Coach. He probably go coach high school or be an assistant in college. He gave him nothing. And then he became unplayable. Jackson Hayes, I just don't. Look, I don't think they were counting on him to give them much, but he really didn't give them anything. He became. He became what I expected Rudy Gobert to become, which was unplayable.
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Chad Ochocinco
But here's the thing, though. You see, the regular season is so much different than the playoffs. You seen how right when they got Luka, they had that surgeon where they was playing well, everybody was talking. Yes, gonna come out the west and they would. They. They were number one in defense. I don't know how, but they were number one in defense. And they was playing some extreme basketball. But when you get the playoffs. The playoffs, you want to expose team's weaknesses, right?
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Chad Ochocinco
You want to try to eliminate their strengths and expose their weaknesses. Their weaknesses was the interior presence on offense and defense. They had. They didn't have no answer for that. They explored it. The Timberwolves exploited the Lakers all series. I told you from game one, I was like, man, the Timberwolves, they scare me. Yeah, they came in, took the game one, had home court throughout, and they. They gentleman sweep, you know, closing the.
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Shannon Sharpe
Deal on the road.
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Joe Johnson
I got a question for y'all. Now, listen, you said JJ Redick was stubborn, you know, based on station on what he was able to. What he did with the bench. But you think about the rotation, you think about the bench, the. For the lack of production that they already have with the rotation even matter. All you have is Luca and LeBron AR didn't show up. Rui showed up tonight. But they're so. They're so inconsistent game to game. Hell, it's confusing. JJ on what he needs to be able to do to even give them a chance to win. When everybody's playing so inconsistent, sometime has nights off. Sometimes Luka has nights off, so he can't even find himself in a rhythm to get the right rotation in the game to even give the Lakers a chance to win.
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Shannon Sharpe
I said he's stubborn. What did he do? What did he do? What did he do in game four? He played those starting five the entire second half. You see, that's stubborn, right? Yeah. You see, okay, Jackson Hayes, you're not going to. Jackson Hayes doesn't even take his warmup off. That's stubborn because, well, Jackson, you are not giving us anything anyway. But at some point in time, you're like, well, hey, we got to have somebody to try to keep root a You got one job Jackson. Keep Rudy off the glass.
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Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I don't know.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's the only. That's the only job. And but how do you gonna keep. When you. Rudy is seven two and your tallest guy is six nine. I mean he just. I mean he's just reaching up, getting the ball and dunking it back in. They doing dump off because like I said, you got 40 years old LeBron and LeBron is not sitting in the chair anymore.
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Chad Ochocinco
He'll.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey, he could. He'll make a great chase down he weak side and occasionally he can make a play but that's not his. That's not where he's great at. Currently Luca can't play defense. Arkansas can't play defense. So you get guys getting beat off one to two dribbles. So now your interior has to come. So even even though they're not real protectors, they come, they drop off Rudy. Boop. Yeah. Rudy.
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Chad Ochocinco
Hey look.
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Shannon Sharpe
Or they or with the lob.
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Chad Ochocinco
JJ went to that zone, bro. And say come. We got to go. Man 5 We got to get out this zone. They picking us apart. They any wrinkle in there to try to switch it up. But anything that the Lakers did, it was wrong tonight. Uncle Ocho, the T Wolves, when they went to that zone, what they do, they hit the middle of the zone. Now we got to dumb down the Rudy.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's it.
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Chad Ochocinco
Playoff for three. You're giving us too many options. This is. It's too easy.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. When you got guys, first of all, you got a presence inside. Yeah. 7273 Rudy Gobert. And you got guys. And you're so afraid that they're going to make the three. So now you're scrambling to try to get out to the three. So if you miss because you got guys scrambling, that means somebody. That means a Gabe Vincent. That means a Doe. Yeah. Is trying to hold Rudy, Rudy Gobert off from getting an offensive rebound. That's not going to work.
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Chad Ochocinco
Not happening.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's not going to work. But you know what? Look, we can talk about this. This says more about the Wolves. We know the, the Lakers have some deficiencies. It's gonna be interesting to see how they, how they repair those because they Got problems. This ain't no. This ain't no situation where we can troubleshoot. You know what I'm saying? We go up on, hey, we got problem, Joe. We got problems. This ain't no troubleshoot. This ain't no issue. This is a problem. See, we can troubleshoot. We can troubleshoot issues like. Okay, I think, you know, okay, okay, we'll try this. Try. No, no, no, no, no, no. This is a major problem that we got right here.
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Joe Johnson
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
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Shannon Sharpe
Let. Let.
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Joe Johnson
Let's talk about one thing about problems. There has to be a solution. When you say this. There's a problem. There has to be a solution. You say there's no troubleshooting, and you say they need it big. What would you like to see the Laker do going forward going into next season that will give them a chance? Because having it big is a good thing down the stretch in the playoffs. So when you come to. When you play in games like this, you can go big where you're not playing as small, where you're at a disadvantage. Or do you go and get another superstar, make it a big.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, you don't need another superstar. You, you, you. I don't know if you have the pieces to go get another superstar, because now that's going to even. That's going to even weaken more of your depth. Yeah. Because you don't have depth to begin with. Right. Remember, that's what killed Phoenix. They got no depth. So, yeah, you got three big guys, but when you. When one of those guys go out or two of those guys go out, now what do you have? So if Luca is basically. Luke and LeBron can never leave the court together. You. If you know that. What, they always got to be staggered. Yeah. So normally Luca plays the entire first quarter. LeBron plays about nine to 10 minutes, right. Luca starts the game on the bench. LeBron comes back. And so LeBron normally goes out with about six minutes, six or seven minutes in the second quarter. So he. Normally. They try to play LeBron somewhere between 16 to 18 minutes, right in the first half. Luka's gonna play somewhere between 18 and 20 minutes in the first half. They've got to. Look, I would have liked to see them get Valentunas. He's a guy that can rebound. He can give you. He's more of an offensive weapon than Jackson Hayes. He's more of a defensive president. He can bang a little bit better, but that's what they need now. They're not going to get somebody that's an All Star big. That ain't happening. So you would have to piece it together and make do. But they got.
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Joe Johnson
They know piecing together. That's what they've been doing. They had duct tape tied to the goddamn season already.
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Shannon Sharpe
Well, you're gonna have to piece this. You're gonna have. Still have to piece it together, Ocho, because you got Luka. You're gonna have to make Luka offer LeBron. It all depends. LeBron can opt out. Does he opt out? Take less money so they can go get somebody that's better than a mid level. Maybe you have to get somebody, Joe. That's. That's gonna. That'll play for around 15 million. Cause you try to go get somebody on a mid level, or you try to get somebody on a men deal, I don't know if that. I don't know if that's enough. Cause Kyrie and Ad, they. Hey, the wolves gonna. OkC is not going anywhere, right? The Timberwolves aren't going anywhere. You think Houston, they're gonna try to get a superstar. Houston gonna try to land Kevin Durant, and they might be willing to give up one or two of those young pieces in order to do it, and some of those draft picks in order to do it. So Steph and Jimmy Butler, Draymond, they're not going anywhere. So the Lakers, yeah, they got two superstars, but that's not enough anymore. You need auxiliary pieces, and those auxiliary pieces aren't good enough currently for what the Lakers have now. They're gonna. They're gonna try to spin it. Well, we didn't have time to play together. You had more than enough time. You're not good enough. Yeah, they got. I mean, they're not good enough right now, Joe.
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Chad Ochocinco
No, they, they, they. Not. Not. Not to win the championship, not to compete for one. They definitely got to improve the depth, the bench. They got to have some. Some guarantee coming off that bench, somebody who can come into the game, change the game, change the dynamic of the game, maybe give you a spurt here and there, but having to put all this on, this on. On Luca and Braun is just too much to carry. Especially out in the west, man. They just too out.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco
You know what I mean?
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Shannon Sharpe
Especially LeBron at his age.
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Joe Johnson
So basically what I'm hearing from y'all is I heard the report in pre game, asked JJ a question about rotation. Then I'm thinking now we both, Both of you had shared your, Your, your. Your expertise on the bench not being good. So basically, JJ's JJ's hands are tied. So what are you doing with the rotation, what he's doing with the bench in game. And damn, they're justified based on what we're all saying.
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Shannon Sharpe
Ojo. But if the coverage.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, he had no choice.
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Shannon Sharpe
At some point in time, the job of a coach is to try something different. Just because it didn't work last game doesn't mean it won't work this game. You got to try. So you just. So you see a team gashing you, you're like, well, oh well, babe, we just gonna stay in this coverage or we gonna stand in front?
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Joe Johnson
Listen, you talk about try something different. They didn't play the whole season, we in the playoffs. Well, if it really gave us nothing during the season, now we get to the playoffs, what's the chance of it? I don't want the game to get away from us. I don't want the game to slip away. So what am I going to do? I'm going to keep the people in that give us our best chance to win.
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Shannon Sharpe
But here's the thing. You never gotten out rebounded in the previous games. You didn't get out rebounded by 17. Yeah, they Rudy Gobert, Rudy Go Rudy Gobert averaged three points and six rebounds. Now he's got 15 and nine, 15 and 12 in the first half. Wouldn't you want to try something different? So all of a sudden the guy that was averaging three, he has 15 at the half with 24 more minutes to go, he normally gives you six rebound, he's three, four, five rebounds. Clear that already. So clearly what I anticipated. You know what, guys, I was going to go with this small rotation. I've got to expand that right? I'm. Hey, guys, got to be ready. You know, Joe, sometimes you're like, hey, you don't anticipate a guy getting in. He don't might not anticipate playing. And a desperate time call for desperate measures. And so you bring that to the table. Anthony Edwards, his last three series, this series, he knocked out Luka and LeBron. Last year he knocked out Yoki Murray and he also knocked that Katie and book. He's 23, he got some pills on his wall.
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Chad Ochocinco
Hey, hey, guess what? The man ain't done.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, no, he ain't done.
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Chad Ochocinco
He just gets started.
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Shannon Sharpe
23, they take on the winner, he's in. He got a favor, a favorable bracket because they take on the winner of Golden State Houston. Yeah, so you, you avoid. You avoid potentially okc. You avoid potentially the Nuggets. You avoid potentially the Clippers. Until the Western Conference, right?
- [27:28]
Chad Ochocinco
If I'm. Hey, look, if I'm the Wolves, that's. That's exactly. That's the exact route I was looking to take, right?
- [27:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, for sure.
- [27:36]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. Because if they, let's say they do pull the warriors out and you know, they got to play the warriors in the second round, I think they can beat the Warriors. I think they, I do too. With the size that they have, you see what they did to the Lakers throughout this series. I think they're, well, incapable of doing this exact same thing to the Warriors. Because the warriors are small, too.
- [27:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Very small. Very small. Because the question is, how do they play? Because Draymond, you like to play Draymond in the five. Draymond's got to deal with. You got to deal with Drew Randall now, okay, you put him on Drew Randall. Do that mean you play Kavan Looney or you take Jackson Davis? So do you. They don't like to play Two Bees. They like to play. They like to play draymond at the 5.
- [28:19]
Chad Ochocinco
I think, I think, I don't know, I think maybe, maybe the warriors stick to the guns, but I think the Wolves are definitely gonn stick to what they've been doing because it's got them to. It's going to get them to the next round, honestly. And I think with them just coming in with the aggression, the confidence off of winning this series against the Lakers, man, the swag is high. They're plugging, playing the right way at the right time. Everything is timing, you know what I mean? And right now, man, they look like a tough team to beat in a seven game series. Uncan Ocho, they do LeBron in game.
- [28:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Five, he was 22 points, seven rebounds, six assists. Nine of 21, one or five from three, three or six from the free throw line. He had seven rebounds, six assists, two steals, three turnovers. He. I didn't think he played well. I mean, look, you talk about a guy that's going to probably be on the first or second team all NBA at the age of 40 in year 22. So 24, eight and eight is the first season in 20 years that he didn't have to average at least 25 points. He's an all star. Most 20 point games by 40 year old, 30 point games, 40 point games, most points, rebound, three point and eight. Most points, three bounds assistant. I mean, as he goes on, he's always going to be, guess What? In year 23, he's going to have the most points, most 20 points, most 30 points most 40 points, he'll have the most points, most rebounds, most assists, most steals, the most block. And if he plays 24 season, he gonna have the. Once you get to a certain level, Ocho. So it's like Elon Musk, he's the world's richest man. Every dollar he get, he adds to that. Yeah, so LeBron, every year that he plays, he just adds to what somebody's. I mean, Vince Carter, year 22, he. I think he averaged what, five points a game? LeBron averaged 24 points a game. 24, eight and eight.
- [30:14]
Chad Ochocinco
Special special.
- [30:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Luka Doncic, he 28, eight. Nate and two. He led the Lakers in points, led the Lakers on assist, led the Laker deals. 3 point amaze playoff series is the trade. Mavericks none, Lakers none. Does this trade change now because Luka got bounced in the first round? Does it change your view on the trade? Are we still upset at Nico for making this move, Joe?
- [30:41]
Chad Ochocinco
Nah, I still like to trade for the Lakers. You know, I just want Luka to really, you know, getting, getting the gym this, this, this summer, Uncle Ocho really get his body right so he's able to grueling taxing NBA season and come out and be ready for the postseason. Because the postseason is ultimately what we play for. And it just seems to me every.
- [31:05]
Shannon Sharpe
He wears down every year, every postseason.
- [31:08]
Chad Ochocinco
Man, he's bogged down with injuries. And it just seems like every play it hurts him. It hurts him defense. But offensively he can get to that step back still some way, some kind. I don't know now, but yeah, I think he just really got to take ownership, bro, and just get his body right and come back ready to compete.
- [31:26]
Shannon Sharpe
I agree, Joe. I agree with everything you said because it seems like every year, once the playoffs, after a couple of rounds, he's hobbling. It takes him forever to get up off the court. Everything just is like he needs to be able to have his body to be able to go through the rigors of an entire season, not just the regular season. Yeah, look, in the regular season, he's Gonna put up 28.8 and 8.
- [31:48]
Chad Ochocinco
Right?
- [31:48]
Shannon Sharpe
He put that up.
- [31:49]
Chad Ochocinco
Go ahead and sleep.
- [31:50]
Shannon Sharpe
But it's the postseason where he starts to ball down, where the injury starts, you know, because, you know, it's a more physical game.
- [32:00]
Chad Ochocinco
And that's why you got to get a Wolves. You got to get a Wolves credit too. Akin Ocho. This, this is what they would. This is what they plan to do. They plan to come out, make it a physical series. Every game, physical. Pick your Full court, bump, grind. And then we get the game. 5, 6. We'll see who starts the war down a little bit. I've seen a lot of. I seen a lot of short shots tonight. Air balls. That's fatigue, man. That's fatigue sitting in them guys playing a lot of minutes night in and night out just to have a day of rest and then jump right back out there. Playing at that high intensity, he just couldn't keep up.
- [32:33]
Joe Johnson
Listen.
- [32:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Consider LeBron and Luka played 46 minutes, and he turned around and they had to play another 40 minutes. LeBron's 40. Like I said, you can talk about all you want to. It's a mind thing. No, it's not. The mind might be willing. The body just ain't able anymore. There's a reason why as we start to age, we can't do what we once did. Don't think Usain Bolt didn't train. But as he aged, he couldn't run 9, 5, 8. He couldn't run 963. He was still fast. He still could run 9, 8, and that would win him the gold medal. But as he started to age, he couldn't turn those times that he once could. Nobody can. So this notion, well, hey, he spent all that money. It doesn't matter how much money you spend. Father Sim, sometimes he'll tap you on the shoulder. Sometimes he just pull your ass down. He'll tap it broad on the shoulder. He gotta. Damn, look at me.
- [33:22]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I. I think. I think he. I think he. I think he tapping on him. But at the same time, you gotta give my man some help. You gotta get Bron some help.
- [33:30]
Joe Johnson
You can't.
- [33:31]
Chad Ochocinco
You can't put all that onus on him to come out and try to lead your defense and offense.
- [33:37]
Shannon Sharpe
No, he is. Oh, no.
- [33:38]
Joe Johnson
Right.
- [33:38]
Chad Ochocinco
It's just too taxing on the body, man. It's way too taxed on the body. And it kind of showed throughout this series.
- [33:43]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, once upon a time, like you said, like when he was in his late 20s and even to his mid-30s, like 35. Yeah. But, man, you start talking about. You think about it. LeBron still plays 70 games this season. Yeah, he played 70 games. And you're asking him, he still give you 24. He still give you eight rebounds. He still give you eight assists. He still give you a block or two a game. He still give you a steal or two a game. You asking him to constantly think, hey, make the right play all the time. And he's. And read on your defense, you're asking a 40 year old to do a lot. Yeah, a really lot. And I understand you ask that. Excuse me, you ask those things from your great players, Joe. You know that the greater you are, the more they ask of you. But here's the thing I've always told people, and I think, I don't think people understand this. As you start to age, they don't compare you to anyone else. They compare you to your younger self. They compare LeBron to a 25, a 30, a 33 year old LeBron. They're not comparing him to Jason Tatum. They're not comparing him to Ant Man. They're comparing because they remember what they saw when he was their age. Not factoring in. He's 40 now. Yeah, he can't elevate like he once could. He can summons it up. He could give you a game or two here or there, but they have to be spread out. He could give you a corner where he goes off. But if he give you a quarter where he gives you somewhere between 16 and 20, you best believe that next quarter gonna probably be somewhere between zero and four. I mean, it just. It is what it is. I gotta be honest, Joe.
- [35:22]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, yeah. You know, you know how like when we young, we pulling testosterone. So. Yeah, yeah, we got plenty of energy. We could go all day, you know what I mean? And as you age, you start to lose some of that and you know, it shows. It shows you ain't as cut up no more as you used to be. Chilling.
- [35:41]
Shannon Sharpe
I won't bother me looking at myself. Put my shirt on. Oh, I done got so bad, I take a shower. My shirt on. Yeah, I don't want to see this. Let the steam go. I let the steam get good and hot. All the meals foggy.
- [35:58]
Joe Johnson
I love this talk about Father Time and Father Time touching on the shoulder. At some point he is coming and I just have a question. I just have a question. And I sit back and I think about it. At what point does Father Time catch up to me?
- [36:14]
Shannon Sharpe
He done caught up to you. That's why you sitting here talking to me?
- [36:16]
Joe Johnson
You ain't playing football well, I mean.
- [36:19]
Shannon Sharpe
You see, you see how he caught up to you? He caught up to you and he caught up to you. He caught up to you 15 years ago. That's how he caught up.
- [36:26]
Joe Johnson
You think so?
- [36:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [36:28]
Chad Ochocinco
You don't think Father Tom caught you?
- [36:32]
Shannon Sharpe
You might can run in a straight line, but your lateral quickness is not what it once was. And that's the thing that go with athletes is the lateral Stuff See where you could win. Ocho was that lateral. That's that, yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
- [36:47]
Joe Johnson
So what you trying. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. So what you trying to tell me I can't move laterally no more?
- [36:52]
Shannon Sharpe
Nah, not like you used to. Not, not, not to the point where you could escape these young DBs. Yeah. If another 40 something year old going against you. Yeah, you get by him. Hold on, my pastor can. Jalen, Randall, Stingley, the whole stingling the second, huh?
- [37:08]
Joe Johnson
But everybody you just named boy. I put him in the blender.
- [37:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Boy.
- [37:10]
Joe Johnson
Don't ever. Don't disrespect me like that, man. These feet got a mind of their own, baby.
- [37:15]
Shannon Sharpe
I know. And they say, let's. Let's walk straight ahead. That's what they said. That's what they said. O joke. Hey, we don't. Hey, we done, sir. We done get you right?
- [37:25]
Joe Johnson
You done get me right. But, but listen, I, I, I really, I would, I would really love to put father time to a test. I, I really would. Especially during this time right now when I know some of the players. Just, let's just.
- [37:35]
Shannon Sharpe
What'd you. Let me ask you a question here.
- [37:36]
Joe Johnson
Some of the people.
- [37:37]
Shannon Sharpe
What did you run the 40 year coming out of college?
- [37:38]
Joe Johnson
Huh?
- [37:39]
Shannon Sharpe
When'd you run the 40 coming out of college?
- [37:42]
Joe Johnson
4:3 on pro day at USC. I had to run at USC.
- [37:47]
Shannon Sharpe
You think he run 4:3 again right now? Absolutely not exactly. Do you think you could ever. If I gave you a year. Let me ask you a question. If I gave you a year to trade, you think you could run four three?
- [38:01]
Joe Johnson
Probably not. Maybe four.
- [38:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly.
- [38:04]
Joe Johnson
Four five. Yeah. But my.
- [38:07]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't believe you can run four five again. Oh, shit.
- [38:09]
Chad Ochocinco
Shit me?
- [38:10]
Joe Johnson
Well, I run four five right now. I tell you no lie, I promise you. And I can run 4, 5 with no training. But listen, when I think about it, when I think about it, I'm thinking about my game in general. My game is about finesse. My game quickness. It wasn't really about running straight or being fast. I get my point.
- [38:28]
Shannon Sharpe
That's one of the first things to go when you get old is your lateral quickness.
- [38:32]
Joe Johnson
Stay with me a little bit now. Now look, I'm real quick because I be dodging them now, you know, they be coming at me and I'd like. No, I can't do that. You feel me?
- [38:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but you still can't dodge them like you once could you, right? Your game was predicated Your game was predicated on that one step.
- [38:54]
Joe Johnson
It's still there too.
- [38:54]
Shannon Sharpe
See now that thing so slow. They telegraphing that. Oh, no good way of that stab you going here.
- [39:02]
Joe Johnson
Hey, I want to put Father Time to the test. Jalen Ramsey, with all due respect, Sauce Gardner, Derek Stingley Jr. Past attained. If at any point you young bulls are training in the off season, I'm in shape. I would love to put on my piece and just test this.
- [39:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Don't do it. And I go ahead. Go ahead.
- [39:24]
Joe Johnson
This would be great. This would be great footage for us to be able to see where I'm at at 57 years old.
- [39:29]
Shannon Sharpe
And if I. I know where you.
- [39:30]
Joe Johnson
Are and if I can hang with the young Bulls.
- [39:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho, don't go up there and mess up your Achilles. Mess up a hamstring or something.
- [39:38]
Joe Johnson
I ain't got hurt all my life the entire time. And that's the fact you can get hurt now.
- [39:43]
Shannon Sharpe
And you don't want to get hurt as you. As you get old. Cause it sucks rehabbing as an old person. Trust me. 4th Joe Ocho, 4th Quarter Points this series. Naz Reed had nas. Reed had 27 points in the fourth quarter. LeBron had 26. Luka had 23. So your first guy off the bench for the T Wolves outscored your two stars in the fourth quarter, Nas Reeves. That's how you lost.
- [40:15]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, Nas is special, man. He was special throughout this series. They had no matchup for him. They actually had no matchup for none of their digs, but no Nas Reed and Julius Randle. They had no matchup for them. Dudes, who can put it.
- [40:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Can we be honest? They didn't have a matchup for nobody.
- [40:31]
Chad Ochocinco
They did.
- [40:31]
Shannon Sharpe
They don't match up with Ant Man. They don't match up with Rudy Gobert. They don't match up with Naz Reed. They don't match. If you really think about it, the guys that they match up with is that you're not really counting on those guys, but those guys played above what they normally play. Jaden Daniels played above what he normally plays at. So you got Ant man doing what Ant man does. You got Drew Rambo doing what Drew Ramble normally does, but now you get guys that you're not really counting on to give you that, and you get Jaden McDaniels giving you extra. Yeah, yeah. Or you get. You get a Nas Reed coming off the bench and in clutch time. He's only missed one shot at clutch time, so he's damn near perfect in the five minute clutch time, last five minutes of the game, the game within five points. So when you get one team and their guys are doing exactly what you hope they would be, it's kind of like when you go into a game or two. Like, okay, our Ocho in this game right here. Ocho should probably give us about probably six to eight for 90 to 105. Damn. Two touchdown, one touchdown. Let's get one touchdown. He'll get us inside the five. Okay, who's gonna do what he does? Blah, blah. It's just like that at a basketball game. Okay, I'm expecting. I'm expecting Ant man to do what Ant man does. Give us his 27. That's what he averaged. Drew Randall, give us what he does. He's fully healthy. Anything that I get from anything I get from Goobert because Gobert, normally he can't play extended minutes because he doesn't match up. They put him in the pick and roll. They get him away from the basket.
- [42:05]
Chad Ochocinco
Now it's a bonus whatever you get from him.
- [42:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, there you go.
- [42:11]
Joe Johnson
More than a bonus.
- [42:12]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
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- [44:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Speaking of hard headed before the game, J.J. redick. You mean after the game? Before. Okay, before the game JJ Reddick stormed out of the present after a question about substitution. He took offense to a question that basically asked if he will lean on his assistants if his assistant coaches when it comes to helping with substitution substitutions. Excuse me, are you saying that because I'm inexperienced and that it was inexperienced decision that I made, you don't think I talk to my assistants about substitutions every single time out? That's a weird assumption. He stormed out.
- [45:23]
Joe Johnson
I would have stormed out too. Yes, I have no choice. Yes, I talk to my assistants. Hell, my assistants know too. We don't have a choice.
- [45:31]
Shannon Sharpe
How many times. Let me ask you a question Ocho. Let me ask you a question Ocho. How many times have JJ Redick been a coach in the NBA? I think that's a very valid question because he is inexperienced as a coach. You know what and it's a bad all he had to do because if he leaned on his coaches. Yes, I lean on my coaches. That's a part of like when we have a timeout we group together. So what do you think? How does Rui look? How does Doe look? How does LeBron look? How to first of all, that's LeBron and Luca is on the they already said LeBron at the six minute mark you're coming out to get a blow for two to three minutes. We'll put you back in. Luca, if it's really good and we're up 10, 12, you might come out the last minute of the first quarter. So that way we can steal an extra minute or so because we get to tie the TV timeout.
- [46:20]
Joe Johnson
Yes, sir.
- [46:21]
Shannon Sharpe
So you get one minute there, you get another minute or two there, and then we're gonna let you sit for four minutes. So we gonna steal some time. Everybody else is on a rotation, like, okay, hey, pull him. Get in there. Yeah, but I don't think. But you can't get mad when people ask you questions, Ocho. That's a part about being a coach.
- [46:38]
Joe Johnson
I understand it. Even though being a coach but also being a reporter, it's about watching the game. Also being a reporter is about understanding. Well, hell, we are in a position. If I'm a Laker reporter. Damn. We do got to keep Luca them in there. We do got to have him play all four quarters. Cause we not getting nothing.
- [46:53]
Shannon Sharpe
They don't look there in the game like that. Ocho, my job is that. My job is to ask you questions. What's going on?
- [46:57]
Joe Johnson
Okay, I understand. I'm just seeing it from the lens on both sides.
- [47:02]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you see it from the lens of the player, and you hear the fact that somebody questioned the coach.
- [47:06]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I mean, you. Right, But I mean, just.
- [47:07]
Shannon Sharpe
You gotta realize most of these reporters, Ocho, have never played. They've never been in the huddle. They've never had to sub. You talk. And so we look at. We athletes look at the game totally different than the layperson or the casual fan. Especially if we're professionals, we understand. Well, why you call that dumb play? You think I called it because I didn't want to get no yards? Right. Hey, what's the play we got that's gonna lose us four yards? Yep. Call that one. Hey, what. Hey, what's that play that we got, that pick that's gonna call Joe to airball. That shot dribble the ball out of bounds. Yeah, that's the play I want to run out of this timeout. Of course not.
- [47:48]
Chad Ochocinco
Normally your assistant coaches. And now it's a lot of them nowadays, but normally your assistant coaches stay in the head coach's ear. You have a head assistant and he keeps coaching tact. As far as. Okay, look, Ojo, don't been out there 12 straight minutes. We might need to give him a blow, you know what I mean? So normally your assistant is always an extension of the head, and he normally probably Scotty Brooks.
- [48:11]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm thinking Scotty Brooks is his lead and then Nate is number two.
- [48:13]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. So they may tell you like, well, I got four files. You know what I mean? Like we can't. We might want to take him out, give him a break. So for him to go with them guys for that extended period of time, he probably was just like, forget it. Yeah, I don't think he had no trust in any of those guys coming off that bench. He felt he was gonna go with his big guns and he stuck with yeah, dang.
- [48:37]
Joe Johnson
But hey, Anthony Evans.
- [48:39]
Shannon Sharpe
But as a. But as a but ojo. But as a coach, you know this. When it goes well, you're a genius. Yes, sir. When it doesn't go well, you're going to get second guessed. That's how it is. That's a, that's a part of it. You know when somebody, if somebody asks you, you, you play a quarterback and somebody asks you what you saw, you can't say I saw what you saw. I hope you didn't see what I see. Cause I, I look in this, in this down and distance, this area of the field, this is what they normally play. I thought I had this guy made a great play. You know, they study film too. They get paid. Yeah, you do, you know, you know, they play other, they play other players. I was quick to tell my coaches that. I tell Mike that all the time. I said, hey, you know that guy got paid too now. Right?
- [49:26]
Chad Ochocinco
Right.
- [49:26]
Shannon Sharpe
He picked up his check on Monday just like I did. So don't think, hey, I'm the only one getting paid. And they just found this guy. He jumped on the back of a truck somewhere. Nah, bro, he in the NFL too. He here for a reason. Cause sometimes I think coaches realize, hey, and I tell this all the time, Joe, anybody in a professional league has the ability to make anybody else in a professional league look bad. Yeah. Yeah. I don't care if it's the best basketball player against whatever somebody might think is the worst, he still can light his ass up.
- [50:00]
Chad Ochocinco
Absolutely.
- [50:01]
Shannon Sharpe
A receiver that you're like, man, who is this kid? Hold up. What game was that? Oh, lad, McConkey. Remember that playoff game? He was cooking on your cooking. Boy, get everybody the business.
- [50:15]
Joe Johnson
You were cooking. Yeah, see, that's what I tell you. That's what I tried to tell Joe. What I tried to tell Joe. I tried to tell him, you know, you take one of the better athletes of all time, you know, I'm talking about me, me playing you one on one.
- [50:29]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh man, here we go.
- [50:31]
Joe Johnson
Hey, listen, I'MMA tell you when I go by you. It's a reason why they call you isu because you're going to be by your d damn self trying to go, hey, I hate to say this ain't what you want.
- [50:44]
Chad Ochocinco
You gonna need plenty of help, brother.
- [50:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Trust me.
- [50:48]
Joe Johnson
Hey, you trust me? Once I get you out there in space, at the top of the key is a rap. I can get it. I put the ball on the floor. Listen, I'mma get my shot. I'mma get to my spot. Me and Rain.
- [50:59]
Chad Ochocinco
I've seen you play. I seen you play already.
- [51:02]
Joe Johnson
What you talk about?
- [51:03]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you ain't see me.
- [51:04]
Joe Johnson
Well, if you saw me play, you know you can't do nothing with me.
- [51:10]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. The Rockets blow out the Warriors. Steph Curry led the warriors in scoring, but he only finished with 13 points on 412 shooting. No other starters were in double figures. Jimmy Butler had eight, Draymond had seven. The Rocket starters, led by Amen Thompson had 25, Dylan Brook 24. Fred Van Lee continues his hot shooting. He had 26 apron. Shingoon had 15 and Jalen Green had 11. Thompson was 25, six rebounds, five stills, three blocks, eight assists, eight or 12 field goals. He's the fifth player in NBA history with 25 points, five plus steals, three plus block in a playoff game. Joining, oh, the Rockets. I mean, right? That's the Rockets players joining. Hakeem Olajuwon did it twice. Charles Barkley, Elvin Hayes and Rick Barry. Or is that in NBA?
- [52:08]
Chad Ochocinco
Wow.
- [52:08]
Shannon Sharpe
In NBA history. 25 plus points, five plus steals, three plus blocks and a playoff game. Elijah One did it twice. Charles Barkley did it. Elvin Hayes did it. Rick Barry Thompson is also the youngest to do it. Shingoon is averaging 20, almost 21 points, 11 rebounds, 5.2 assists. The first 20. The first center in NBA history to average those numbers through his first five career playoff game. Look, I thought the Rockets let one get away the other night, Joe. They really did. I thought the inexperience showed. They did a great job tonight. Jumped on them. I'm sure I. Madeoka is upset because they had to put his starters back in. You never want to get that, that you start us down. They cold, they chilling, they laughing and talking the next day. Hey, y'all back up.
- [53:02]
Chad Ochocinco
But it was.
- [53:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, they did. They did a great job tonight. Steph didn't have it tonight. Jimmy didn't have it tonight. And it showed. We got. Hey, they going. They going back to Golden State. I think they feel confident, Joe. I think they Feel confident they can go to Golden State and get a victory and bring this thing back to Houston one more time.
- [53:20]
Chad Ochocinco
I think Houston can. They are. They were the aggressive tonight, you know, from start to finish, Unc and Ocho, they controlled it from start to finish. You could tell they were the more desperate team and they came out hungry. They didn't want the season to end. You can tell. So, yes, I think they're very capable of going to Golden State, winning the game, and then bringing it back home for game seven. This is a. This has been a fun, you know, grueling series, man. And it's like all these series in the west, even in the east, these first rounds are so tough and gonna beat you up so bad that when the second round comes, damn, you gotta hope. You gotta hope some of these guys stay healthy, man.
- [53:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, right.
- [53:58]
Chad Ochocinco
We still got a lot, a lot of basketball left to play.
- [54:01]
Shannon Sharpe
That's why you try to finish as quick as you possibly can. If you can end a team in four, end them in four. If you can end them in five, end them in five because you need the rest. Don't let this thing go six, don't let this thing go seven when you could have ended it in five. And so you see what Boston did. You see what Minnesota did. You see what the Cavs did. You see these teams, they like, look at, man, we ain't fit to dilly dalling with y'all. We ain't trying to get on no plane no more. Hey, hey. Kenny Aginson said, look, we going down to Miami, take two sets of clothes. Cause we not coming back. Hey, so you're right. But you know, watching this game, you can tell, man, I like Thompson, man. I like him. He grass. Hey, hey. He a two way player. Cause he could do it all. He and his brother.
- [54:44]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, he and his brother, they special. They special talent. They are the, like, swish army knives of your team can explode for, you know, 30 points a night. But gonna do the intangibles as far as steals, playmaking, defend, pick up full court, harass you. And, man, I thought he played some special defense on Steph tonight. I think he's Uncle Ocho. I think he learning too, you know, throughout this series how to guard Steph. Knowing when to give him space, knowing when to, you know, crowd him and make it tough for him. They've been kind of mixing it up a little bit.
- [55:18]
Shannon Sharpe
And he. And he angular.
- [55:19]
Chad Ochocinco
He.
- [55:20]
Shannon Sharpe
He. Yeah. I mean, how tall is he? Like, what, six, six, seven, six, eight, six.
- [55:25]
Chad Ochocinco
So even if Steph get by him. It's still challenging, you know, because you know he gonna still alter your shot. And ultimately, I think if you're the Rockers, the main thing you want to do is make step work. We know he liked to.
- [55:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [55:37]
Chad Ochocinco
You gotta keep him moving, make him work. Don't let him have no easy catches. And you can tell they in the passing lane, man, they out there playing 4 on 4 basketball. Because a lot of times they just in denial. They ain't even looking at the ball longest. Steph don't get it right.
- [55:55]
Shannon Sharpe
What you think, Ojo?
- [55:56]
Joe Johnson
I was just gonna tell you what. Them Rockets came out hard, huh? It seemed like they wanted it more on both sides. On both sides. They was aggressive on offense, they were stifling on defense. They had the warriors scrambling early. Houston came out firing. It was 40 to 24. 40, 24 lead they built in the first quarter. By the time it got to halftime, it was 70. It was 76, 49. So really, from that point on, all it is about controlling everything you do at that point. Control of everything.
- [56:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, considering that this shot. 38 free throws let me know they were extremely aggressive. Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen a stat like this, but Golden State had 25 offensive rebounds. You ever see the team get 25 offensive rebounds, Joe, and lose by 15?
- [56:36]
Chad Ochocinco
No, I ain't seen that. Golden State, Yeah, they had 25 offensive rebounds. They just couldn't, man. Offensively, you know, they seemed out of.
- [56:44]
Shannon Sharpe
Sword from the jump. Yeah.
- [56:45]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. And they seem a step or two slower than the Rockets. The Rockets seem like, you know, they had a, A, A boost as though, you know, like I said, they just played with that, that sense of fire, urgency that, you know, that, that they weren't ready for the season to end. And it's like. I don't know, man. It's like these, you know, the warriors came out a little lethargic. And it cost them, man. Cause the Rockets control from the tip. They control from the start to finish.
- [57:10]
Shannon Sharpe
They did. And that game took a lot out of the. The Warriors.
- [57:15]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [57:15]
Shannon Sharpe
The other night, they take a lot of. They took a lot out of them.
- [57:17]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [57:19]
Shannon Sharpe
And you look at Thompson, young Dylan. Dylan Brooks played that. Dylan Brooks has played really well in this series. He shot the ball well. You know, he's gonna play defense. He gonna fight you tooth and nail. Van Fleet, the last two games, Van Fleet has been on one.
- [57:36]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, he understands. He understands the moment. Ocho, he. He's been there, he's won. He's a champion. He's won. He's. He knows what it's like to play this level of basketball and compete, you know, at the highest form. So I think he gives them. He definitely gave him life tonight, but, you know, he gives them a sense of confidence. I. Probably going into every game.
- [57:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [57:58]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, he's that special.
- [58:00]
Shannon Sharpe
He. He. He really is. But they. They got a young team, but I think the thing is they're gonna. They might look to give up. You know what? Other than Shingoon and Thompson, I'd be willing to part with anybody else to get Kevin Durant. What you think about that, Joe?
- [58:17]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, to get kd.
- [58:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [58:19]
Chad Ochocinco
If you had to get. Because you're gonna have to give up at least one or two of them young boys.
- [58:23]
Shannon Sharpe
But if, if. Look, if you want Jalen Green, if you want Dylan Brooks, if you want Jabari Smith, I'd be willing. The only two people that are untouchable for me is Thompson and Shingoon. Yeah.
- [58:37]
Chad Ochocinco
I think. I think Green, Green and Smith, they got enough talent to where wherever they go, they could change it. They can change a team or franchise a program. I like both of them, but yeah, I. I'll definitely make that trade. If I was Houston to get kd. Man, please. The Gold, Thompson, Van Fleet. Yeah, me.
- [59:00]
Joe Johnson
And.
- [59:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Because Shingoon gonna get you. I mean, he, He. You know, he's an all star. Yeah. Thompson can defend. Thompson can defend. He's. He's very aggressive. Aggressive. He's active. You bring in KD who can score. You let Van Fleet run your offense. And look, I mean, I would. I'm not. I don't know if it's gonna happen, but other. Other than. Other than Thompson and Shingoon, everybody else is. Everybody else is in play if. If, If I'm the Rocket.
- [59:29]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. Cause there's not many bigs in the NBA like Sengun who can score pass and rebound. He gonna make guys around him better. He ain't gonna be out here just hoisting up no 20, 25 shots. You know, he gonna always be high in assists because he gonna make the right play. And he's very crafty, especially in posting up and hitting guys on cuts and wide open shots. So Sengun, I love. Man, you could play through him for sure.
- [59:53]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And the thing is, like them European players, those European bigs, they play this way. You look at Jokic.
- [59:59]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. They grew up like this. They were talking young age.
- [60:02]
Shannon Sharpe
You know why? You know why they play like this? Joe and Ocho, I believe I do. Is because they don't have the athleticism, they can't elevate over nobody. So they're not relying on God given ability.
- [60:13]
Chad Ochocinco
Right?
- [60:13]
Shannon Sharpe
They gonna make the right pass, they gonna back cut, they gonna screen. If you look, they got all, most of the big, the European bigs. They got tremendous footwork. Yeah, they got tremendous footwork. Look at Shingoon, look at Jokic, look at the bigs that we, that we think of. Look at the footwork, okay?
- [60:31]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, they. Because overseas they practice way more than they play over here. We'll put together a tournament quick and go play.
- [60:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, yeah, we gonna aau. Hey, hey, who you. Hey, what you doing? What you doing tomorrow, man? I ain't doing. Hey, come on.
- [60:48]
Chad Ochocinco
We'll put together a team quick and go play in a tournament with no chemistry, continuity, practice or nothing. Just feel like we can roll out this talent and win. But overseas, man, them dudes been practicing, playing against 1112 years old, developing chemistry.
- [61:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Continuity, practicing, working on skill, a skill set. Right, right. You know, people think jumping, jumping over somebody's a skill set. No, because what happens when your athletes. See, that's why I think Jokic can play a long time.
- [61:15]
Chad Ochocinco
I do too.
- [61:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Because he's not, he's not relying on athletic ability.
- [61:18]
Chad Ochocinco
Right?
- [61:19]
Shannon Sharpe
And a guy that doesn't rely on athletic ability a la Tom Brady instincts. Now if you got athleticism through the yin yang, as it slowly dissipates, you have to reinvent yourself. You see what LeBron did when he realized that he couldn't continually go to the basket. Go to the basket. What did he do? Develop that three point shot.
- [61:41]
Chad Ochocinco
Develop that mid range, that three point shot until it's deadly. Yeah, you have to, you have to, you have to evolve with the game. Especially when you play a long time, you play 20, 22 years, bro, the game is going to change a few times.
- [61:55]
Shannon Sharpe
And he. And he been smack dab in the middle of it. He's been smack dab in the middle of the game, is evolved because think about it, the 2000, the twin, the 2010s, now he's in the 2020s. Yeah, there ain't very many guys that can say they played three decades now. Vince played four because Vince started in the late 90s, he went to 2000, he went to the tens, and then he finished in the 2020s. So there ain't very many guys that gets an opportunity to say they play two to three or maybe even two decades, maybe two is deep doing it. But when you start talking about three, four decades, that says something. But I still think Houston is missing a closer. I think they need a guy that I can give him the ball and he can go get me a bucket. I. You see, this is by committee, and there's nothing wrong with that, but when you get into the playoffs, you would want to have that one person that I can put the ball in his hand, he can go get me a bucket. Joe. Yeah.
- [62:49]
Chad Ochocinco
Bucket on foul. You need that? That's just the playoff slows down. This ain't the regular season. Preseason. We ain't just held to skelter jacking up threes. None of that. Playoffs, we valued every possession. We're going to come down, milk the mismatch and try to get a great shot every time. That's what it's about. So, yeah, you need guys who can get you to the free throw line or get you a bucket or go make the right play and get us a great shot. And yeah, we've been watching these playoffs, Uncle Ocho. This first round, man, down the stretch, man, it's been a lot of careless turnovers, man. A lot of careless turnovers. That's cost teams games. Obviously.
- [63:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Sometimes I think guys are trying to do more than what they should, more than what your ability allows you to do. Because sometimes I see guys try to be. They try to be heroes, bro. You're not required to be the hero.
- [63:39]
Chad Ochocinco
They feel like they gotta step up and make a play, make a shot, you know, and sometimes you're just overdoing it. When you just make the simple right play, a lot of times that'll get you great results.
- [63:50]
Shannon Sharpe
And see, that's why people don't really gravitate towards Yoke. Because it's not like he dunking. He not letting threes go off balance. Like he ain't shooting no 3 in tournament. Walking away like Steph Curry.
- [64:01]
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, when he'll back.
- [64:03]
Shannon Sharpe
He ain't posterizing people like Ant man, right? They ain't got. He ain't, you know, he ain't. He ain't like kd. All I know is that Joker footwork is impeccable. And he averaged 29, 13 and 10. And Shingoon averaged 21, 11 and 5. Yeah, and Zubox gave you 16 and 12.
- [64:24]
Joe Johnson
Them boys nice, man.
- [64:27]
Shannon Sharpe
And. And I. I guarantee you, I guarantee you, Yokiche have five dunks all year long. I guarantee you, yo can have 5 ducks if he half. It was 5 total and had the best. Damn sure he have 10.
- [64:41]
Chad Ochocinco
It had the best output. Hey, the game is 90% mental, 10% physical.
- [64:49]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [64:49]
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
- [64:50]
Shannon Sharpe
He understands the game.
- [64:51]
Chad Ochocinco
He's gonna understand.
- [64:53]
Shannon Sharpe
And the thing is, he's not gonna force it. He's not gonna force a play. He's not gonna force himself into the offense. He's gonna let the offense come to him now. Hey, y'all out there horse jacking around with the ball now. He gonna take the ball. He gonna. Hey, he gonna demand that you give him the ball now. Yeah.
- [65:07]
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, yeah.
- [65:07]
Shannon Sharpe
And rightfully so. Yeah, he's. But he. He's.
- [65:12]
Chad Ochocinco
He's the engine. He's the engine for. For the Nuggets, man. Everything runs through him because he's so unselfish. And just like last game he seen Murray got off, he just kept feeding him. I'm gonna play my over here. You want to be lead dog? You gonna care us to victory. I'm gonna do my job over here. Rebound. Get you to rock. Make the right plays. It's awesome player, bro.
- [65:34]
Shannon Sharpe
The volume.
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