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Nightcap - Hour 1: Timberwolves beat Warriors to advance to the WCF, Celtics beat Knicks to extend the series!
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Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap as you watch the Minnesota Timberwolves advance to the Western Conference finals thanks to a 121110 victory over the Golden State warriors minus Steph Curry, but they get the job done. Now they await the winner of the Nuggets and the OKC Thunder. Boston staved off the elimination. They're going back to MSG thanks to a 127102 victory over the Knicks at home. Now they'll head back to MFG on Friday to see if the Knicks one closed this series out again. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know me. I am your favorite uncle Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, the Liberty City Legend Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, Pro Bowler All Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And we have a very special guest. That's my dog. We go back 30 plus years. We used to work out together. We always break bread every chance we get a chance to get to Atlanta. We see each other. We always hang out. He's a New York Knick legend, a one time all star, two time defensive on the all defensive team. Here he is ladies and gentlemen talk all things basketball with us tonight. And he's a chef. Let him tell you we're going to talk about that. Also tonight, Charles Oak Tree Oakley. Oakley. Thanks for joining us man.
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Charles Oakley
Thank you all guys. Appreciate it.
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Charles Oakley
I think that watching Minnesota this year from last year, I think they most focused Ant man just showing the world of how great he going to be doing this continue in the NBA. But you got to get the coaching staff a lot of credit. That's a big game. Close it out at home, get ready for the next series. Everybody took a turn tonight. Rudy was inside, Julie's just posting up. You got Connelly was hitting big threes, Dante doing what he's doing in New York getting big plays. And AB was just on cruise control tonight. He makes sure everybody got stocked and he just played the game. He can get smarter and smarter by more you watch, smarter you get.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah, he had 22 points, 12 assists, which is a career playoff high. 12 assists, seven rebounds, three blocks tonight and a steal. As you mentioned, the thing where they were, they got whatever they wanted. They shot 63% from the floor. They damn near shot better from the floor than they did the free throw line. They were only 67% from the free throw line. They were 63% from the floor. And as you mentioned, Ant man, look at Julius Randall was 13 of 18, Rudy Gobert was 8 or 9, Mike Conley 5 of 7, Ant Man, 8 of 15, Nas Reed 3 or 5, Dante 5 of 7. So you can see they were getting whatever they want. Easy shots at the rim. They did a great job. Now they, they lost the offensive rebounding battle. I mean Golden State had 18 offensive rebounds to six. It didn't hurt them. But you know the next team, the next round, both teams can offensive rebound. So they're going to have to clean that up. Oo you watch this game and we talked about when Steph went down, they were going to have to have an uphill climb tonight. He came to play, he had 28 points. 11 of 19, four of six. Jimmy, Jimmy struggled a little bit. 4 11. He only had 11 shots. Oh, he was nine, 11 from the free throw line or three from the three point line. But outside of Pav and Kaminga, they didn't get the contributions that they really needed and they really needed Jimmy Butler. This is why they got Jimmy for a game like this. If Steph is out, extend the series. Let's give him an opportunity because he's going to start doing some light working and the next game is three days away. So maybe we get a chance to get him. And this is when they need a playoff Jimmy to be playoff Jimmy in Golden State.
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Shannon Sharpe
Listen, I don't know, I don't know what was wrong with Jimmy at all because he's been, he's been playing. He hasn't been aggressive the past two games. Obviously trying to facilitate to everybody else if they even have a chance. You're down 3:1. If you even, even going to have a chance. I need playoff Jimmy. I need that mentality to, to come through. Well, I'm going to take this game over. I'm going to do everything I can to get myself in rhythm first and then I'm going To facilitate everybody else once I get myself going. Pozymki led the team with 28, 11 of 19.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
I mean, Domingo, 11 of 23. So that shows you they were aggressive. That's what we were expecting for Jimmy because remember last game O, he only took eight shots and we like, man, what's going on with Jimmy? And now he comes back in a close out game, it's do or die. You either cleaning out your locker or you're getting another outfit ready to go back on the road back home. And this is what you give us.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but that's what I'm thinking now. This is not the gym we used to seeing. This is not the gym I'm used to seeing with Miami. Right? So maybe this late in the season, something's wrong with Jimmy. Maybe he's hurt, maybe something is ailing that we don't know about. But he's still fighting, knowing that Steph is out and they would have no production from anywhere else outside of him. And Kaminga. Kaminga should be in the starting lineup from now on, period. Steve Kerr should be ashamed of himself for having somebody that's continuously dropping buckets the way he is, night in and night out and losing efforts and still doing all he can with Steph being out outside of that. Listen, Julius Randle did what he was going to do. Ant man, he's the face of the league. I don't care what nobody say. He's the head of the snake. The snake gonna always. Goddamn. Rudy Gobert dropped 17 tonight, huh?
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah, 17. 17 and six. 17. What did he have? He had 17 points, eight rebounds, no assists, no steals. But he was plus 21. Jimmy was plus 20. McDaniels plus two. Rudy.
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Charles Oakley
Go.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
So they got an all around team effort. But.
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Shannon Sharpe
That'S the key word. Before I let you finish, right, you just said the key words.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
A team effort, six guys in double figures. Ocho.
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Charles Oakley
Hey, not just that, Chad. They all start over. 50% from the field never hurt you. And especially a team undersized don't have your main guy. And you know, like I said, Butler, I mean, I mean, they've been saying he's been playing well even though Golden State been winning with him. You haven't. You ain't seen that Butler in Miami. You haven't, you know, a couple games here and there, but he never really played consistent. Golden State, but Golden State won. The record looked good, but on the court, in the playoff, yeah, Butler, you know, used to take over. But these guys is young, athletic, and you know, that's the game now, it ain't about banging no more. It's the wear and tear going up and down the court.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
If. When you. If you watched the warriors and you watch the Timberwolves, where can they guard Draymond really can't do anything with. With. With Drew Randall. He's too big of a body. He just. He just bangs it. They don't really have anybody that can do anything with Ant Man. And so really, your two best players, you don't really have an answer for. So if you don't have an answer for them, you now you bring the double team. I'm gonna kick, and I'm gonna get Mike Conley getting wide open, threes. I'm gonna get somebody getting wide open, looks or somebody diving to the basket, because you've got to send help. If you don't send help, I'm gonna punish you guys one on one. And that's what happened tonight. Your stars, when you got stars and the opposing team don't have a guys. But even if nobody can really stop anybody but make them be inefficient, Julius Randall was 13 of 18. That's not making him inefficient. Ant man was 8 or 15, 5 or 9 from the 3. So he's shooting over 50% from the 3. He's shooting over 50% from the floor. Julius Ran is 13 of 18. I mean, so, I mean, what's really.
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Charles Oakley
He probably a for 8 from the field. You know what I'm saying? Right? So it's gonna be hard to beat them, especially all three of them shooting like that. And the team was rolling. I mean, they got a little looser gusting with them turnovers in the third quarter.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Late in the ball game, they got a little careless. But that's.
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Charles Oakley
That's Minnesota, though. You know, they go down by 15, go up by 20.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
If I'm Chris Finch Ocho, I'm saying, look, guys, if we want to be the team that we think we can be, right, we can't have a lapse like this. Because we have a laugh like this in the next game, next round, both of those team will come all the way back and snatch a victory from us, right? So let's not play around. Let's kill a net with a sledgehammer. We had him down 20, 22, 23 points. Let's go ahead and end it, make them go. Make Steve Kirk go ahead and sub his guys out with four minutes left because they're down 26. Let's not dilly dally around. And I Think that's the mentality you're going to have to have. You're right. Ant man is what, 23, 24 years of age? I think he's 23. Isn't he at 23?
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Charles Oakley
23 going, yeah, 22.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
20. Yeah, he might be 23. But anyway, those, those are, those are the type of games. This is a very, A very learnable moment. Teachable. Excuse me. Teachable moment. Because when you get a get in these situations. Ocho, let's not fool around. No, let's go ahead and end this thing. Hey, I can get you out. Because ant man played 48 minutes. Drew Randall played 43 minutes. McDaniel played 41 minutes. Hey, listen, I could have got your guys off the court. That could have been. Instead of 41, that could have been 37. That could have been 36.
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Charles Oakley
Absolutely.
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Shannon Sharpe
And the way they played towards the end of the game, Monk, if they playing a better team, if you're playing a better team out the west, you're not going to be able to pull that off. You're not going to be able to pull that off of those turnovers. Now, obviously, collectively, when you make it to that Western Conference finals, you're going to be in a much better team all the way around. All the way around. Shit. The goddamn warriors. And I mean no disrespect, like a G League team tonight without Steph, you.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Know, Steph makes everything go.
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Shannon Sharpe
I know Paczemski and goddamn Kaminga did their thing, but outside of that. But it really wasn't nothing out there.
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Charles Oakley
If they still had Steph, Melissa, they just too much. They got too much left and they too talented and they got Ant man and figure out how to play basketball. He giving the ball up left and right. Yeah, because they double team somebody open every time because he's passing the ball. You gotta give him credit. He had found out how to play the double team.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Right? And that was. And I think, you know, Okin, Ocho. I think the best thing to happen to Ant man is that he went to the Olympics and he saw the other great players and he saw how they played. Yeah, he saw Steph that'll give the ball up. He saw KD give the ball up. He saw LeBron give the ball up. Think about when they were down to Serbia and it's like, oh, and you see them guys play unselfish step A guys making three or four passes instead of forcing it. Cause a lot of times Ant said himself, hey, hell, I get down 10 points, I'm going hero ball they say, nah, just make the right pass, just make the right. You gotta be able to trust. Now, obviously he ain't got LeBron and Steph and KD as teammates, but you have to be willing to trust the guys that they're gonna be able to do it. Then there'll be a time that you have to put, hey, go into that phone booth, make a quick change and come out with the cape on your back. But you're going to have to trust your. Because you're not going to always be able to do that. You're going to have to be able to trust those guys. Those guys need to know that you trust them and give them confidence that they can step up and make those shots. But I like what I, I like what I saw from him because when the Lakers tried to take him away, he passed the ball. But the problem that the Lakers had is that not only was he making the right play pass, he was still getting 30 points, he was getting 40 points. So you can't, you got to make him one or the other. You either make him a scorer or you make him a facilitator, but you can't let him do both. Right.
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Charles Oakley
Problem is they, they want a double team, but they, they, they not quick out of the double team for rotate rotating back to the position. And that's what they kill. They killed the Lakers because Luke, Luke, yes, the L. Minnesota playing five and a half against four and a half.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah.
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Charles Oakley
Because Luke wasn't gonna do nothing on defense. And they figured that out. That's why they kept rotating the ball. And Lakers, you wear them out. We rotate the ball like that and you.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
And they kept putting Luke in the pick and roll.
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Charles Oakley
Yeah.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
So hey, because here's the thing. There's one thing to get beat. If a guy can beat you, you're like, okay, make him take three dribbles to beat you. Guy beating Luke off the first dribble. So now help comes.
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Charles Oakley
Now the right guy's wide open.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah, you can't win like that. There's a report coming out, guys. Steve Kerr reportedly had an issue with Jonathan Kaminga looking off step during time. At times during the game. Per Logan Murdoch, Kaminga has a propensity to look for a shot at the expense of the flow of Golden State's offense has irked the coaching staff. Team sources say Kerr was incensed after several instances in which Kaminga looked off Curry to create his own offense. Kaminga subsequently received DNA, the warriors regular season finale against the Clippers and then again in the play in matchup against the Grizzlies. By the start of the playoffs, many within the oak wall within the organization wondered whether Kaminga, who is eligible for an extension, has played his last game at the Warriors.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's fine.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
The warriors are now 0 and 7. When Kaminga plays 20 plus minutes in the playoffs.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's fine. Send him somewhere else. Send him somewhere else and let. Let someone else that values him and what he brings to the court. Let him play. Let him play. One thing, ok, he just showed you. We get to do with Steph being.
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Charles Oakley
I mean my thing with Steph, you got to be special. You got to be willing to break your game down. Like Draymond, he break, you know, I mean Draymond is perfect for him. Kamila, he's a guy athletic, he can get to the rim. He need the ball 20 times a game. So trade him to Washington or somebody. Get a player back and play with Steph for the next two or three years because he's holding his kid back. That was some guy that broke down. He kept his head. He been balling the playoff even though they ain't winning. His fault because his effort, the points and for him just being strong to go on the court and just go and perform some. Some guys was forgetting her. Yeah, and Kurt need to get over this thing too. Get you a lineup. You know what you got. It's playoff. All these 10 different lineups and this and that. Ms. Mac and JJ do a little the same thing too. You bring these guys the games down to play how you want to play. But then when contract come up, are you going to reward them?
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
No.
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Charles Oakley
These guys want these young guys, they want the ball, they want to feel special. And it's hard to break some habits, especially NBA because now it's, you know, everybody wants to shoot threes, they want to feel the ball. So you got to be careful these days with these players because they real sensitive.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey O, you know what I like to the fact that you just said especially players in this day being very sensitive and it can mess with their mental especially when you're not getting time. And now with report coming out the fact that even with these reports and him not playing and her not playing Kaminga look how he's still. When he got his opportunity, he took advantage of it. He made the most of it. And he showed you where. Regardless of what you got going on, whatever that you may have or you didn't allow me to play during, you know, the Clipper series, right. Still for the come out here and ball. So all you did was. That was his resume, Unc.
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Charles Oakley
You know, he's a real pro, though. Yeah, he's a real pro.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah. He didn't hang his head. He could have easily hung his head like. And like, man, f you. Hey, you done sl me. You slapped me. The regular, the finale. You slapped me in the play in. And now you, now you ain't got no choice but to use me.
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Charles Oakley
But you.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
But, oh, having played the game, as long as you play, you know, when you play with a superstar, you got to be willing to sacrifice. There's no other way around.
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Charles Oakley
No doubt, no doubt.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
I don't care how great you think you are, go ahead.
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Charles Oakley
If you ain't like a continual all star in this league. And you guys, some guys on the bubble, some guys know how to play. But you got to know I played with Michael Jordan, you know, I came in the league, it was both stars. And once you see him play practice and what he do, and I knew that couldn't be a score if I play with him like a rebound defense, I didn't mind doing that because we was winning, right? He was winning. And you get a lot of perks just being around him and everything else. So NBC bringing him back for some reason.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Hey, we gonna talk about that a little later. But I think the thing is, it's like, if it is hard, it's hard when you like, man, I got, I got the game that I could go get 25. And you got to play with LeBron or you got to play with a Steph. I mean, and so those guys are willing to sacrifice, but if you're going to their team, you got to be the. You have to take the bigger sacrifice.
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Charles Oakley
Right?
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
That's the only way to do it. I mean, you, if you go team up, if you go team up with Giannis, you not getting more shots than Giannis. You're just not.
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Charles Oakley
No. Unless you LeBron or Curry. That's my only one.
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Shannon Sharpe
So you're saying. So you're saying. So. Hey, okay, let me get this right. So in Kaminga's case, let's say Steph Curry was healthy.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
He ain't getting this many minutes.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. And they both on the floor at the same time. So he has to suppress his game and his shots just so Steph can continue to cook and eat.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Because the offense is built around Steph and perpetual motion. So you can't go outside of the scope.
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Charles Oakley
Right.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Of the offense in order to create your offense.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay, I got you. Now listen, even. Even with what he showed us the past two games or three games, as good as he's been being, you know, putting the ball on the floor, creating his own shot, even still today, even still, he still has to defer to Steph no matter what.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
That's the. Think about what you just said.
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Charles Oakley
I mean my thing, it's all about read. It's about Reed. It's like you run a route.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
And you know that.
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Charles Oakley
You know it's third and sixth and other guys running 10 to 15 yard route. You run the eight yard route. I'm going to look for you first. I just want to get the first down. We can go. Vernon, go next round after you get the first down. So Steph is the first option. And Steph was a great passer. He don't force a lot of shots.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
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Charles Oakley
But he got. He may be the only guy that can get away with taking certain shots because he's stealth. He created his own element. So you got to live with him and die with him.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
But think about what Steph did. Steph sacrificed his game when KD came over.
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Charles Oakley
Yeah.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
So you think about that. Think about Steph Curry. He was an mvp.
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Shannon Sharpe
Wait, Steph still averaged the same amount of points even with KD being there though.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
But he took, but he took less. He's like, you know what? Hey, I'll take. Go ahead and do your thing, kd.
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Shannon Sharpe
Right?
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
And so that's what. Because he. At the end of the day, the goal is to try to win a championship. Now if you want to go. The same reason they got rid of Jordan Poole. Like, okay, you want to score, we trying to win games. There's a difference between the two. Ocho. If you doing what you're doing and we're winning. You see in the last seven games in which Kaminga has played 20 plus minutes, they're 0 and 7.
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Charles Oakley
0 and 7. But my thing, when Cell play with KD, KD is so efficient and just like he ain't got nothing to worry about. Right. He knows if he takes 20 shots, he gonna make 13 or 14. If Amigo takes 25, he can make 7, 8. It's a big difference.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
And that's the thing, because now. And guess what, Who. Let's see who do we double team. If we double team. If we double team kd, that means Steph and what you call him and Clay getting wide open shots. If we double team Steph now, that means KD and Klay, we're not going to double Clay, but Klay is probably the better of the catching shooters. KD going to be able to get his own shot. He's seven foot tall, he can put the ball on the floor. He's a three level scorer. He can shoot the three, he can get to the middle, and he can finish all the way at the rim. Steph. Steph has brought that to his bag now, because before you run Steph off the line, Steph just gonna sidestep you now. Steph will put the ball on the floor and get to his float game. So now how do you defend it? He just needs another player. And Jimmy. And they really thought that was gonna be Jimmy. Jimmy was supposed to be the guy that was gonna alleviate a lot of the stress and tension on Steph because he was a guy. Because we saw what he did in Miami.
- [27:55]
Charles Oakley
Miami, yeah.
- [27:56]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
But he, for whatever reason, Ocho, he has not looked like that guy. He got it.
- [28:02]
Charles Oakley
He looked like he on cruise control. They want him to do 85 in the 55. Get off cruise control. They want you to speed. Cause Curry ain't there. They need you. They need that.
- [28:15]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yes.
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Charles Oakley
What you had in Miami. They need that goat the night he's supposed to get 40 or 50.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Oh, he got to take at least 20 plus shots. He got to take at least 20. He needed to have the amount of shots that Kaminga had. Kaminga had 23. Pazinski had 19. That needed to be Jimmy.
- [28:34]
Charles Oakley
Yeah.
- [28:35]
Shannon Sharpe
And you think. You think the booing, the booing, the bull don't bother somebody like Jimmy. How he don't. He don't care nothing about the booing. Huh?
- [28:40]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Huh?
- [28:41]
Shannon Sharpe
You think the booing.
- [28:42]
Charles Oakley
Nah. Jimmy, yeah. He been around, but my thing is he. They gave. They gave him the money. They gave him the money and now they want something back for the money.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah.
- [28:52]
Charles Oakley
And then Pat Riley took him to the ring. I'm like, no, Pat Bradley feel like. Like he said that that knee was going towards the. Towards E. So it'll sell a fool. So he ran out of gas. You know, when you've been around a long time, you can see but God's body. He looked good. Got the muscles like him down the court, but inside, you know, it's like a brand new car. And some people got an old car. I got 10 of my car because my light so all my lights on, but I'm still riding so you can't see him. But my car's about to break down.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Hey, he got check engine light on. He got the tire pressure light on. Just about time. Downside the road. That's a good one.
- [29:35]
Shannon Sharpe
That's a good one.
- [29:36]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Pat Riley, one of them old school coaches. You know this Pat Riley. All Pat Riley cares about is year to year. Oh, you took us to all these, all these finals. That ain't got nothing to do with it. All I saw last year is that you wore down and you didn't look the same like you did in those championship. So he's not. Because Pat is like. And a lot of coaches and GMs and things like this. Ocho, I've already paid you when I give you an extension. I'm facing that extension on what I believe you're going to do in the next three, four, five years. I've already paid you for taking us to the finals. I gave you 40 minutes, you for that.
- [30:12]
Charles Oakley
Yeah.
- [30:12]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
I ain't paying you based on what you've done. I'm paying you based on what I believe you can do. Jokic is about to sign a three year deal, 221 million. Not because he's one, three MVPs. They believe he can win another two, three more. Yeah, that's why you give a guy that kind of contract. And so Jimmy is like, hey, y' all saw what I've done? Yeah. Past say we rewarded you for that.
- [30:37]
Charles Oakley
But you know how the NFL, you come in your rookie contract, you get another contract. It's hard to get three contracts in NFL. They think you're going down at 89 years, especially running back.
- [30:46]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Oh, running back you might get now the way they do it now, they try to get a running back because they refilled the running back. His highest value. Ocho is win on his rookie contract because he's 21 years of age.
- [30:57]
Charles Oakley
Right.
- [30:57]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
So now I get four years out him 25. I done put 250 carries on him a year, maybe more. So I've already got a thousand to twelve hundred carries on his body.
- [31:08]
Charles Oakley
Yeah, right.
- [31:08]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
So that's what they're saying is like, well, I don't know. Now hopefully with the way Saquon is played, the way Derrick Henry kept his body up, Josh Jacobs, we saw resurgence. We saw Genti go very, very high. Because for a longest time, Ocho, they had diminished the role of the running back. But thanks to some great production this year by the running Back position is starting to come back. We saw Joe Mixon, we saw Josh Jacobs, we saw Henry, we saw Saquon, we saw Jameer Gibbs and Montgomery. So hopefully, hopefully, they'll start to reward these running backs because they were looking at a. The maximum value we gonna get at this guy's rookie contract. Yeah, but you.
- [31:53]
Shannon Sharpe
You gotta think, look at all the people you just named. You talk about the cream of the crop. You talk about the la creme of the running back position.
- [31:59]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Well, they play every other. Every other position today. Cream of the crop. Look at all these quarterbacks.
- [32:04]
Charles Oakley
Yeah.
- [32:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Well, you know who they value most? You know, you know who they feel is the least valuable is the running back. They think you could just. You could plug. You could plug and pull. You could. I could just pull one from somewhere else. You can't pull a Saquon from anywhere else. You can't pull a Derek Henry from anywhere else.
- [32:21]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
I bet. I bet. Cincinnati wish they had Joe Mixon.
- [32:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Joe had a hell of a very, very good season. But the bag.
- [32:30]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
He had a good Raiders wish they had Josh Jacobs. Look what he did for Greek.
- [32:34]
Shannon Sharpe
Saying he missed a beat. He missed a beat.
- [32:37]
Charles Oakley
Yeah.
- [32:39]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
So according to Shams, Draymond was fined 50,000 for making an inappropriate comment that questioned the integrity of the game officials during game three cameras caught Dre on the sideline mouthing five and a half spread during timeout after he fouled out.
- [32:58]
Charles Oakley
Draymond. Draymond just need to chill. Draymond. You know, everybody love Draymond. You know he come up, everybody after him to go clean. Draymond, you do something every time. They ain't calling this cause of Draymond. You do something, they really give you a break, Draymond. And you still holler and cuss the fish out every I drive official. Draymond would be out the game by the third time down the court. He'll be out of the game.
- [33:27]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
They oh, you know, he does that because he know once he gets one, they're going to be very reluctant to give him that second Tech and throw him out of the game because they don't want to influence the game.
- [33:38]
Charles Oakley
Right. Hey, I wouldn't be worried about influence the game. I mean, I ain't gonna let the mind cuss me out. Average six, seven points a game. I mean, Dre might gotta get a triple double. You gotta get a triple double. I know. He said he feel good about this team. Butler coming make this last playoff run with Curry. But the Curry got hurt. The team just seemed like just they didn't have no more juice. You know, they played to a limit. But sooner or later, you need talent. You got to have talent on the pro to win.
- [34:07]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Draymond has been fined $992,000 in his career, with 185,000 coming for action towards official. He's also been docked 3.2 million for suspensions. So he's lost over a million dollars. Yeah, well, I don't like to curse that much. I don't like to be right that much. Ocho. I don't know about you, Ocho, but, hey, y' all got. That's a good call. That was a good call. Good call.
- [34:35]
Shannon Sharpe
You know what? When you made that kind of money, Unc, it's like you ain't even paying it no mind, honestly.
- [34:39]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Oh, you paying us a mind, huh?
- [34:41]
Shannon Sharpe
I know. I mean, you got to think about it. If you were to add up my fines, right?
- [34:45]
Charles Oakley
I know.
- [34:45]
Shannon Sharpe
The times were different.
- [34:46]
Charles Oakley
The times.
- [34:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Now you got to think for 11 years straight, huh? I got fined every season for 11 years straight to the point, why put money aside? Because I know I am. I'm for the cut up anyway.
- [34:57]
Charles Oakley
But, Chad, how much you get fined is the difference? You might have fined 30,000 a year.
- [35:01]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
A hundred thousand a year. Finding you a quarter of a million every year.
- [35:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on, hold on, hold on, Oak. You got to think, right, my first offense during the season, it starts 5,000, right?
- [35:12]
Charles Oakley
I'm saying, how much was the average on the year? About 40, 50,000?
- [35:16]
Shannon Sharpe
No, no, no. Because by the time I got about week 10 and I was doing stuff, at that point, it was 30 to 40 to 50,000.
- [35:23]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
So you think you got.
- [35:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, okay, at that point, I ain't. I ain't even care. I'm having fun.
- [35:28]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
You think you got fined a quarter of a million dollars a year? Yeah. Oh, you think you got fired that much? Absolutely.
- [35:35]
Charles Oakley
Oh, okay.
- [35:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Let me tell you something. Remember when I. I tweeted on the sideline in 2009, that was 30 grand right there? You remember when in September, I put on a poncho, like a real poncho in the sombrero in September? They took 50 for that. And you got to think I kept doing stuff week in and week out. The orange chin strap, the black chin strap, the rose, wearing gold shoes. I didn't care. I just. And when you add it all up, by the end of the season, I didn't care because I was making it up.
- [36:04]
Charles Oakley
You was making money, so you really didn't pay attention to it. That's what happens sometimes? Yeah, I got fired a lot in my career. I probably got fired about 5, 5, 4 or 5 million.
- [36:14]
Shannon Sharpe
You got.
- [36:18]
Charles Oakley
I mean.
- [36:18]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Oh, you played 18 years? 19 years.
- [36:21]
Charles Oakley
Well, mine was more like suspension for five. Hitting a couple. Hitting a couple of people in the head before the game and stuff.
- [36:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay. Was out there tussling with him, man.
- [36:31]
Charles Oakley
Hey, one, two. That's it. Hey, ask Sparkle about it.
- [36:37]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Hey, you got a. You got it with Tyrone Hill, with Tyro Hill. That's what. That's how many games you got suspended?
- [36:44]
Charles Oakley
That was at a pickup game. That was in the summertime.
- [36:47]
Shannon Sharpe
You was fighting the pickup game.
- [36:52]
Charles Oakley
He tried to walk up on me. What you said, who you got?
- [36:56]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Who you got to fight with? Hold on, you. Can you slap somebody? You went to that shoot around.
- [37:01]
Charles Oakley
Oh, that was. What's the name? And the Clippers. McGinnis.
- [37:07]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Jeff McGinnis. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [37:11]
Charles Oakley
Oh, yeah.
- [37:12]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
You knew. Oh, you knew that the word was going to get back to Stern that you had did something and he was going to put the. He's going to drop the hammer. Why you do that?
- [37:22]
Charles Oakley
It wasn't about that. He threatened me, man. And they. Hey. And I told him. I went and they practiced. The whole team, everybody, the whole coaches, everybody was there.
- [37:35]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Oh, they about to jump you, man.
- [37:37]
Charles Oakley
Nah, they weren't gonna do that. I told Lamar, all of them. He said, that's my friend. I told you what to be helping your friend. He didn't help him. No, they. They know better.
- [37:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey. Oh, oh, you was the. You was the original Debo, man.
- [37:55]
Charles Oakley
Well, I mean, when somebody threatened you, my brother always told me, don't wait for him, go to him.
- [38:00]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, actually, in the basketball setting, words are just words. They really don't mean that outside of the court. They just saying it because on the court it's a safe place. So they ain't really mean it.
- [38:12]
Charles Oakley
Hey, Chad, there's one thing. I don't play on the court and I don't play off the court.
- [38:16]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
No, you don't. If you want to, don't. What you see is what you get. I've been doing it 30 plus years. He is exactly what he said. Believe. If he say he gonna slap the ear shot you. If he get close to you, he gonna slap you.
- [38:30]
Shannon Sharpe
I like it, I like, I like it.
- [38:31]
Charles Oakley
But now it's all good and fun.
- [38:33]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Who that you lend money to? Who did that you lend money to in the card game and he didn't pay you?
- [38:38]
Charles Oakley
Yeah, yeah, that.
- [38:41]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
That happened at the game too.
- [38:42]
Shannon Sharpe
He paid you Back. He paid you back yet?
- [38:44]
Charles Oakley
Well, he was trying not to, but he said he was going through a divorce and they said wife or something happened, this and that I like, huh? I said, I ain't listening to your wife. So I got it right before the playoff though.
- [39:03]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Bad O bad. Oh, you was wild on that one. All right, check this out. Time to talk about your Knicks Oak. The Celtics fight back, keep the season alive. Derrick White had 34 points. Seven made threes, three blocks. He was 9 of 16, 7 of 13, plus 22nd his second 30 point playoff game this playoffs. Jaylen Brown was sensational as well. Very efficient and 26 points, 12 assists, eight rebounds. The Knicks lead 3 to 2. Game 6 is Friday. Oh, what do your Knicks need to do to make sure they don't have to go back to Boston for game seven?
- [39:37]
Charles Oakley
Well, I think the antennas should be up because, you know, Taylor wasn't playing. Brown, he was like a magician tonight and he got everybody involved. He got Pritchard off the bench. Luke Cornette came in dominate off the bench.
- [39:54]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
He was sensational.
- [39:56]
Charles Oakley
I think, you know, they just, that was 2x facts off the bench. And Bridges and OG, they got cranked the car up early. It's cold outside. Got to crank the car up. You can't drive the car while it's cold. So the Knicks gonna have to come out, get more sense of urgent. I think that Tal's gonna have to play better and they gotta know you gotta set them out. Six games going home. Forget about game five, you lost. You know, they dominate the whole game. Went up 20 again, 24 points. And you know, I think Tip should have took the guys out with five minutes going to fourth. You weren't coming back 22 points in five minutes. Right, but you know, Bronson file out. You know, Drew Holiday stepped his game up. I mean they, they came to play and one of their best player like Curry was missing for Golden State, Taylor missing for Boston, but Boston showed up. Yeah, they sold up and sold out.
- [40:48]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
You got Jaylen Brown had his most efficient game of the of this series. He was 9 of 17, 3 of 5 from the three point line, he was 26 plus 28. Derrick White 9 of 16, 7 of 13, 9 of 11 from the free throw line plus 26. Holiday plus 14, he was a plus 23. You got Al Horford who was plus 11. And then you mentioned Luke Cornett came off the bench. He gave you 10, nine and seven blocks. And Pritchett was plus 24. He had one of the highest plus minors. He was five or 14, 17 big points. So they got the contributions that they needed in order to keep the series alive. We expected Mikael Bridges. Remember the other night, Ocho, how he went off? Remember OG how he went off when Carl Anthony Towns played extremely well. Cat played okay, 5 of 11. I don't think he was aggressive enough. I mean, he had shot nine free throws.
- [41:44]
Charles Oakley
Five, 11 shots, eight of them in. In the last six minutes. It didn't count. So you gotta get him in the beginning, the third, fourth quarter and you know, but put that.
- [41:54]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Put pressure on the Celtics.
- [41:56]
Charles Oakley
Chad got to come out and put some pressure on kp, you know, he's. He heard when Luke came in and changed the whole game. He did when he changed the game, blocking his shot, keeping the ball line, making them take tough shot coming to the basket, you know. And Robinson was playing well tonight. He made his free throws.
- [42:16]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
He did. He's perfect for the free throw line. Oak.
- [42:18]
Charles Oakley
Yeah, he made. He made like six out of seven, something like that.
- [42:21]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah. Six, seven. He showed up.
- [42:22]
Charles Oakley
Play well. Basically just they let him get too far ahead. I mean, how many times you got running down the horse. The horse fans on you?
- [42:29]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [42:31]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Gordon, what'd you. What'd you like about what you saw? Cause I didn't think the Celtics. I didn't think the Celtics. Like hell. Y' all. Was losing to the Knicks with Jayson Tatum. And he had 42 in that beat you.
- [42:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [42:42]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
And so I don't think they was gonna do anything. But Derrick White and Jaylen Brown set the tone early. And then they role players came in. Luke Cornette, like I said, he gave you 10, nine and seven. Pritchard did what he normally does. And so now I got my contributors. They contributed.
- [42:58]
Shannon Sharpe
But listen, the contributors contributing on the offensive end, but we need to talk about on the defensive end, on what they did. They stifled the damn offense for the Knicks. They made everything. When it came to Jalen Brunson getting himself in rhythm and creating shots and being able to pass the ball, they suffocated my dog all goddamn game.
- [43:16]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
You see where they started him not to cut you off, Ocho, you see that? They started on him. They put Jaylen Brown on him. Somebody with a little extra lint, right? Cause normally they was going with Holiday, they was going with Derrick white. They put JB on him. JB did an excellent job. He's a little 6 foot 7, long limb. Caused a little bit more problems. He was 7 of 17, one of four from the three point line. Go ahead, Ocho.
- [43:37]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm just saying, just obviously from an offensive standpoint, Brunson couldn't get himself in rhythm then also it seemed like every time they were trying to run plays, it seemed like every shot was contested. Every shot of running the offense, it was very difficult, you know, for them to do. And on the other end in transition, offensively, the goddamn Celtics was hitting all the goddamn shots. So when they did go up 15 and went up, went up 20 or whatever it may have been, it made it that much more difficult for the Knicks to even get back into the game. Oh, they couldn't back in the game because defense.
- [44:08]
Charles Oakley
Well, my thing is you let Holliday get back into the game and begin the fourth quarter. He had two big threes in a row. Yeah, he brought him down the 15, 14. He come back, bam, bam, bam. So it was going to be a dog fight that you ain't going to win this one tonight because Boston was just, they was making shots like you said and the role players play. Excellent, excellent.
- [44:31]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yes, excellent.
- [44:32]
Shannon Sharpe
I got a question for you real quick. I want you to be honest with me. Obviously your basketball acumen and IQ is out this world because you played the game at the highest level. Do you think the Celtics have a chance to come back and win this series?
- [44:47]
Charles Oakley
I mean, if they can keep the game close? I mean the Knicks, I think when they come home, the crowd gonna be there. They can't let the thing the crowd gonna play for them. They gotta come out and play, execute early, put the pressure on Boston, go downhill, don't give them a chance to breathe and then get em in foul trouble. Like I said, get to the three goal line. But they gonna come, Boston gonna come and fight. I mean they ain't champions for nothing. So we got New York got to realize that, you know, anything can happen in the course of game. You know, you don't want nobody to go down. But still you still got to come out. You guys got to show up. The Knicks starting five got to show up. Only three guys showed up tonight. You need all five of them to play. It's a band. Everybody got to be on that point. Everybody gotta be able to play the instrument.
- [45:28]
Shannon Sharpe
So are you worried or are you confident? Are you confident in the Knicks?
- [45:31]
Charles Oakley
I mean it's true to win one, but you got to get the first. They need to win the one game six. Don't, don't say, well, we made mistakes. You don't want to go back to Boston.
- [45:41]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
No, no.
- [45:44]
Charles Oakley
What Jalen Brown showed the night IQ he can play Game. Everybody was questioning, can he step it up? Jason Taylor. Not here. He stepped it up and stepped up and stepped on the Knicks.
- [45:54]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah, he did. The Knicks were. I mean, The Knicks shot 40 free throw attempts, so they were getting to the foul line. They didn't shoot the ball particularly well. And then they. Like, you know what? Because I think three straight trips down, Brunson got to the foul line. And he's very crafty at drawing fouls. And if it's a close ball game, that's what you have to worry about. He's so great in the clutch. He's probably the best player in the clutch in the NBA because he knows how to. He can shoot the three. He can get to the middle, he can get to the rim, and he knows how to get. Make you foul it to put him on the free throw line to stop the clock and so give you guys a chance to chase you down. But you're right. I thought what Boston did tonight, now, if you let them shoot 20, you let them shoot 45% from the three, and they shoot as many threes as they shot, you gonna have your hands full.
- [46:40]
Charles Oakley
They honestly, they shot in the low 40s tonight.
- [46:42]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
They shot 45%, 22 or 49.
- [46:45]
Charles Oakley
Yeah.
- [46:46]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
So they outscored you, Bronson, man, they outscored you by 30, though.
- [46:50]
Charles Oakley
Yeah, well, I think the Knicks only made seven. Three, seven. Seven for 29. Something.
- [46:56]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
12 or 30. It was what, 12 or 30.
- [47:00]
Charles Oakley
12 or 30. So, I mean, they beat him in that. They beat him and they beat him just about every category. So they gotta realize that they gotta come out and play. They gotta eat their lunch early. They eat another lunch and be ready. It ain't gonna be easy.
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- [49:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey hey. Oh they got. Hey hey. Is there, is there a better way? I'm just talking about for me, you know, watching the game, it looks like every offensive possession for the Knicks, it's a struggle just to create a shot or to even get a shot. Or when they do get it, it's always contested. Somebody draped over somebody or they falling back. Like nothing is ever just clean, nothing is ever just smooth.
- [50:20]
Charles Oakley
They run an offense basically off of what Bronson can do and everybody else, you know, they get stagnant sometimes and I think that town's got to go through the post. But him being around the top of the key three Point line, he crowded the whole thing up. He need to go on the baseline and post up and take some of the pressure off the guys up top, right? But like you said, the guys, they do be going seem like, you know, it was a tough shot. But the one thing they do do on offense, they get second shots and.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
They crash the boards.
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Charles Oakley
They crash the boards.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
And the thing is, Ocho, it's like with anybody, it's like if you play with Luka, you find yourself. Because he's so ball dominant handling the ball, you find yourself watching him. No, bro, hey, get your ass out the way. Create some space. Because you watching him and then all of a sudden he throw you the ball. Because a lot of times they throw the guys that handle the ball a lot. They throw you the ball with five seconds on the clock. Nah, bro, you go ahead and keep it. Now you want me to try to work magic with 5, 6 seconds on the clock and I gotta take a bad shot and everybody looking at me like, come on, Ocho, bro, you gotta make that shot, bro. What you mean I gotta make this shot? I'm 28ft from the basket. He just threw it to me with five seconds. But this is their offense, this is who they are. You know, Josh Hart is not really looking for his shot. And it seems like Mikhail Bridges doesn't look for his shot until late. So basically two guys that's trying to create offense is Cat and Brunson. And now once. And now, now once he gets held to scale, the guys start looking for the shot. But look at how Mikhail Bridges, when he looks for his shot early, how he looks. Look at how the offense look.
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Charles Oakley
Well, I mean, that's the thing. Like when, when they start, oh, him and OG start looking for the shots early. I think they take Towns out his offense, but you want to keep him going. He ain't that guy that, you know, he need attempt. You know, the mother guys got more. I'm a tenacity. More rebounds or get back, put back Towns. You need to get him going. You're going to have to get him going. Game six. Cause he played better. When he get the ball early, he plays better. If he don't get it, his game gets stagnant. So Bronson being a great point guard, the full journal on the team, he had to realize that. Let's get Kyle off early and everything can flow.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
You look at McHenry, Bridges, OG Anunoby and Cat, they were 10 for 37. That's not good enough.
- [52:45]
Charles Oakley
What's that? I think OG was what? 1 for 13, 1 for 12, 12.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
1 for 5 from the 3. Mikhail Bridges, 414 from the field, 1 of 3 from the 3. Cat was 5 of 11. Cat just didn't have a lot of attempts. He got to the foul line, but he just didn't have 11 attempts. He need to be somewhere about 17, eight. Somewhere 17 to 20.
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Charles Oakley
Yeah, 17 to 20.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
That's where he needs to be at. But if you look. Like I said, Tibbs is a. Is a defensive coach. You let a team shoot 53%, you let them shoot 45% from the three. I mean, Al Horford, five of seven. Holiday five of eight. Derrick White, nine of 16. Brown nine of 17. Cornette was five of five. Pritchard didn't. He wasn't efficient, but he made some three.
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Charles Oakley
But he hit some big shots down.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
In the fourth quarter. Yeah, yeah, you live with that. I mean, he had a couple step backs and snatches, but they. Look, I thought the Knicks was going to end it tonight because you don't want to chance it. And that's why Boston is probably kicking themselves. It's like, man, had we taken care of business the first two games. Now we just need one game to possibly close this series out. But we're going to have to beat this team three times without Jayson Tatum. That's a tall order. That's a tall order. Can it be done? Yes, but I ain't putting any money that means something to me down. But they can do it.
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Shannon Sharpe
You don't want to bet nothing, huh?
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Hell no.
- [54:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Oak, you want to mess up?
- [54:14]
Charles Oakley
What?
- [54:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Let's bet 5200 on the game.
- [54:18]
Charles Oakley
Who you got? Boston.
- [54:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I got. I got Boston.
- [54:21]
Charles Oakley
When the game six.
- [54:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, game six. What you trying to do?
- [54:26]
Charles Oakley
You call her? I bowl it.
- [54:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Well, yeah, I may make it light on yourself, baby.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Want his money back with you? Okay. Hey. Seven now.
- [54:36]
Charles Oakley
Hey, hey. Hey, Chad. You know I'm from Cleveland now.
- [54:40]
Shannon Sharpe
I know with nothing, nothing but respect. I don't want no problems.
- [54:46]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
I'mma let it slide. Uncle come see about his buddy.
- [54:49]
Charles Oakley
I got some. I got some guys down in, you know, Cincinnati right around the corner. Oh, yeah, I got. Throw some water on Cincinnati. You want to get hot.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
Hey, that's one thing about Oak. Now, he will drive. He got a. He got a van. He got a van on his car. That's one thing about Oakland. He ain't afraid to drive. That motherf be driving.
- [55:09]
Charles Oakley
Cleveland, New York, when you pay 200,000 for a car. 300. I'll be trying to put 200 miles on it.
- [55:15]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
He does.
- [55:16]
Charles Oakley
I try to wear Mandala's. Let it be my miles.
- [55:20]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Oh, man, he ain't lying. Cause hey, Oak bought a car for me, a 760 BMW, man. He came to, he's like, hey, man, I brought the car. He's at the four season old four season right up there at Buckhead. He like, yeah, I'm gonna get it. So he hand me a bag full of money. He said, man, keep the insurance on it till I get to where I'm going. I believe I'm gonna need it, T. I need you to keep the insurance till Tuesday. And he just. I said, man, where you going? He like, man, I'm going to Alabama. Yeah, he will put that car on the road. Let me know what you think about this. Nick Van Exel has a theory on the increased Achilles tears. He said there've been an Achilles tear throughout the years. But my thoughts on them is that they happen more now than I think is something has to do with them. Shoot them damn lows the players wearing nowadays. Cover them ankles up, fellas. You think it has something to do with the shoe that the guys are wearing or what do you think the problem is?
- [56:18]
Charles Oakley
I mean, a lot of guys getting hurt wearing low tops now. They just cute shoes. But when you playing ball, you gotta. You gotta be tightened up and. Yeah, ball safeties, this and that, but they, like I said, they're doing more running too. They're getting up down the court more, they turning more. We used to play up and down. Now they playing sideways and up and down.
- [56:37]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah.
- [56:37]
Charles Oakley
So it ain't physical, but you still get up and out. You put miles on them shoes.
- [56:42]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Let me ask you a question though. Did you. Did you. Do guys. Did guys tape their ankles? Do guys tape their ankles or do they play free?
- [56:49]
Charles Oakley
I don't think they take. I think we played 90% tape. Now it's about 20% tape. Because when we play, if you get hurt, if your ankle get twisted and you can't play, they gonna find you. They don't do that no more. Oh, yeah, they just find guys. So that's why most guys in our era, they play with the ankles, you know, so ankles and this and that. Cause they was taped, but now they tape. They don't get them taped and they twist them. They got the miss. Two or three weeks.
- [57:16]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah, right. Cause I got. I take. I don't know how. Did you tape your ankles on Joe?
- [57:21]
Shannon Sharpe
Nah, for fashion, not for no support you got. I like to feel the ground. I Can't feel the ground with tape on my ankles. I need. I need to be flexible in a sense. You know, I was a Reebok at that time. You know, Reebok had had the uniforms and stuff. Right, right. I had them take a. A oak. I had him take all the cushion and. And what you call the lining out of my shoe. My cleat was nothing but a shell and some shoe. I need to feel everything. It was like I had a track spike.
- [57:53]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
So you wanted like a soccer shoe.
- [57:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly.
- [57:55]
Charles Oakley
I need.
- [57:56]
Shannon Sharpe
I need to feel the floor every time I touch the flow.
- [57:59]
Charles Oakley
So when we played the Pat Riley, we had to take me shoot around.
- [58:02]
Shannon Sharpe
What? And shoot around?
- [58:05]
Charles Oakley
Yeah, we had to take. Sometimes, you know, if we lose the game by 20 points or something, we had to get. They shoot around. We had to come in tape because you run suicides and all. Yeah, Fat Riley, he made sure he was in shape. Body fat, everything.
- [58:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Wait, suicides at the NBA level because you lose a game.
- [58:25]
Charles Oakley
I mean, it felt like that. Yeah, I mean that's how he, you know. Yeah. Hey, he get all the miles on them shoes.
- [58:34]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Achilles and ACL injury this season alone. Dejounte Murray tore his Achilles. Dame tore his. Jason Tatum tore his. Isaiah Jackson tore his Achilles. Drew Smith ruptured his Achilles. Kyrie. Grant Williams, De Anthony Melton and Maurice Wagner both all tore ACL with. And Grant Williams had meniscus damage. But I taped that to my. Directly to my skin. So I would take. Directly to my skin. Huh?
- [59:06]
Shannon Sharpe
You got no pre wrap?
- [59:07]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
I ain't got no pre wrap. I got moleskin, you know, you know that thick moleskin, you know that big tape? Yeah, I had the moleskin and then I had that brown tape. Ocho, you don't have brown tape. They got to take the scissors to cut.
- [59:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, okay. That's what I mean.
- [59:21]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
That's how I take my ankles.
- [59:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
- [59:23]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Okay. I have no pre wrap. No pre wrap? No.
- [59:27]
Shannon Sharpe
I thought that was the thin.
- [59:29]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
No, I had that brown tough ass tape that they had to take the scissors to cut.
- [59:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, I know what you talk about. Okay.
- [59:35]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My ankles were bad, man. I couldn't chance it on Joe.
- [59:39]
Charles Oakley
Yeah. Wow.
- [59:40]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Now I didn't take. That's in the game. Now. I did regular tape in practice. Right, but for the game. But here's the thing.
- [59:49]
Charles Oakley
But you're stopping and go in the game a lot, though.
- [59:51]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah, but see, the thing was, is that I wore. I wore high tie. I wore mids. And then later in my career, I went to the Low.
- [60:01]
Charles Oakley
Oh, okay.
- [60:02]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
But see, but I didn't roll my ankle like a lot of people roll their ankle over the top. I turned mine in so people. People would fall over, would drag me down. Ocho. And the ankle roll in.
- [60:13]
Shannon Sharpe
I know what you're talking about. Because they pulling you from behind too.
- [60:16]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yes. Drop tackle.
- [60:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. They put their weight on you. Yes. You get caught right underneath.
- [60:23]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yep.
- [60:24]
Charles Oakley
I think we play guard, like point guards. Two guards. By what? Low. But all the big guys, they went high. He wouldn't wear no low top. If somebody see the paint with low top, they gonna knock you in the head.
- [60:39]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
But then, hey, oh, you. You a little older than me. Oh, but you remember Chuck Taylor's guy used to play Chuck Taylor's get up and down and have no cushion. They never twist no ankle.
- [60:52]
Charles Oakley
Them Chuck tables just like. Remember them pro kids.
- [60:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [60:56]
Charles Oakley
No support.
- [60:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Hey, I played uncle. I played with Jaron Ennis with boots in Philly. And Gilly, Gilly was there too. And they had a celebrity basketball game I played in. I wore black, high, black high tops, black high top Chucks, some Chuck Taylors. And they looking at me crazy. Everybody else, they know what the Kyrie's and the KD's and the LeBron's and the, you know, and the Jordans, man, I dropped about 12 out there, man. And the pair of Chucks, I'm moving and everybody. Well, you ain't got your shoes taped up. No, because when I'm wearing them Chuck Taylors, I can feel the flow. I could feel everything. And it just, it just, it felt so comfortable. And everybody looking at me like, boys, you crazy, boy. You gonna twist something. Say, man, I'm good.
- [61:40]
Charles Oakley
Dr. J used to wear em. Yeah, Dr. J, back in the days, he.
- [61:45]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
And then, and then they came out the cons because, you know, black. When Dr. J, everybody wore the cons, ain't nobody wore. In the early 80s, ain't nobody. In the late in the 70s and the 80s, ain't nobody wore Nike.
- [61:55]
Charles Oakley
Right.
- [61:55]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Nike didn't take off till Jordan got there. Everybody wore the con, the Dr. J cons. They wore the Magic Johnson weapons. They wore the Larry Bird weapon. Huh?
- [62:05]
Shannon Sharpe
What you mean, weapon? What. What brand?
- [62:07]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
That's what they call the Converse. That's what magic and birds would call. And the Dr. J, Dr. J Khans, that's what they were heavy, but that's what everybody wore. And then when, you know, there are a few guys that wore, like Iceman, Moses Malone had had Nike contracts. Yeah, but the Converse was the shoe the only person I remember wearing Adidas. Oh, correct me if I'm wrong. Was Kareem. Kareem had the top 10 Adidas. He was the only guy that I saw with. With Adidas. Everybody else normally had Converse, and there were a few guys sprinkled in there that had on Nikes.
- [62:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Oak, did they wear a pony back in the days? Pony had basketball.
- [62:44]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah. Spud Web wore ponies.
- [62:46]
Charles Oakley
Yeah.
- [62:48]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Spud Weld and Robert Paris wore ponies.
- [62:51]
Charles Oakley
Okay, okay.
- [62:52]
Shannon Sharpe
I remember I had a pair of pony cleats, man, as a little kid, man.
- [62:55]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
I had pony cleats, too.
- [62:58]
Charles Oakley
Pony was big back then.
- [63:00]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Oh, yeah.
- [63:01]
Charles Oakley
Pony was big back then.
- [63:03]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
They were. They were. But, you know, back then when I was, like, in middle school or high school, the posters. So you had the Iceman sitting on.
- [63:11]
Charles Oakley
The block of ice ball.
- [63:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [63:16]
Charles Oakley
That was.
- [63:16]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
The poster was. The big. Was. Was huge back then. I had a bunch of posts. You know, I had a bunch of posts with Bird, and I had a bunch of posts with everybody else. They'd probably be worse up than now. But you back then, you didn't.
- [63:28]
Charles Oakley
You were.
- [63:29]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
You wasn't even thinking. You weren't even thinking about, man, I think gonna be worth something.
- [63:33]
Charles Oakley
My grandma, like, boy, you need to.
- [63:34]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Throw that ish in the trash jumping up my house. All right, it's time to pocket watch for just a second. Michael Porter Jr. Shay Gilgis, make the same amount of money. $35,859,950 this year. Did you hear what you just said?
- [63:51]
Shannon Sharpe
They make the same amount of money. And the key words you just said at the end this year, that's it.
- [63:58]
Charles Oakley
Because SAG can get 350 next year.
- [64:04]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
And he fired his agent. So he's like, I don't need y' all. Y' all not gonna get 4%. When they gonna give me the max anyway, right? I cut you out. I keep that for myself.
- [64:15]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Okie. Worth every penny.
- [64:17]
Charles Oakley
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [64:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Worth every penny, man. Hey, hey, you know who you play like, too? He's so smooth. Yeah, he's so smooth. Like, no irky, jerky movements. You know what I mean? Just everything just flow like water. The way he play.
- [64:34]
Charles Oakley
I know the Clipper. Probably what they still haven't.
- [64:37]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Well, if you're. If you're. If you're to believe what Doc said. Doc said that he went to Kawhi and said, you need to give this guy a chance. Kawhi wanted somebody that was already proven, which was Paul George. So that's why they moved him to okc. They traded him and Gallinari and those. All those first round picks and those pick swaps because we got to realize Shay was only in his, like, first or second, maybe his first or second year.
- [65:06]
Charles Oakley
Yeah.
- [65:07]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
So now I gotta get. I want to get up. It's the same thing. When LeBron got to Cleveland, they're like, oh, no. He's like, nah, I don't want Andrew Wiggins. Go get Kevin.
- [65:15]
Charles Oakley
Yeah, go get Kevin. Damn. But Wiggins ain't got way.
- [65:19]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
No, he ain't shape. They might. They both from Canada, but he ain't shit.
- [65:29]
Charles Oakley
Too.
- [65:30]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Oh, yeah, yeah, they got a lot of guys. You know, you think about it. Dylan Brooks, Nemhard Murray, Shea Powell. They got Barrett Joe.
- [65:41]
Charles Oakley
The kids play for. What's the name, too, the point guard. Joseph.
- [65:46]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah. Isaiah Joe.
- [65:49]
Charles Oakley
No, no, he played. He been around the league about 12 years.
- [65:51]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know you're talking about, you know what?
- [65:54]
Charles Oakley
Matter of fact, started from Miami, I think. Okay, yeah, but you see what they trying to do for the All Star, right?
- [66:01]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah, they're gonna try to make it. The U.S. against the world, man, they.
- [66:04]
Charles Oakley
Gonna kill the U.S.
- [66:07]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Hey. Oh, they got the best flavor when you think about it. They got. Yo, they got Giannis, they got Luca, they got Shay.
- [66:16]
Charles Oakley
But.
- [66:20]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, but you know why they.
- [66:25]
Charles Oakley
He'd become out the bed.
- [66:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey. Oh, hey. Ok, that's a good thing, too. Now you understand how the viewership had declined when it comes to the All Star Game. Now, you want to make it interesting and you want eyes. You want people to watch. Shoot the USA versus the world.
- [66:39]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
That's right. All they're doing is shooting threes. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see no 200 to 180. Nope, nope, nope. And they might. Well, no, I think.
- [66:51]
Charles Oakley
I think they might get a little more traction out of that, because I do, too. Yeah. Cause the US Guys and the European guys. The European guys definitely gonna play harder. U. S guy might. You might have to hit him in the head a couple times, like, oh, wow, they really coming at us. So they might have to wake us up and get us going.
- [67:10]
Unnamed Sports Analyst
Yeah. Cause y' all, first of all, Joki just already said the All Star Game doesn't. Doesn't suit his fancy. But Giannis, Giannis trying to get. Trying to score 60. Yanis going to the basket all the time.
- [67:22]
Shannon Sharpe
He coming to play. You know what that remind me of? Huh? That remind me when Adrian Peterson used to make the Pro bowl. And they think he finna go out there and play in lollygag man. Adrian Peters Be Full speed in Hawaii.
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Charles Oakley
AP Full Speed the volume.
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Unnamed Sports Analyst
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