Nightcap - Hour 1: Too little too late for Cowboys, Eagles crumbling, Myles Garrett future

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Episode Summary Episode: Nightcap - Hour 1: Too Little Too Late for Cowboys, Eagles Crumbling, Myles Garrett Future
Release Date: December 23, 2024

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Introduction

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe dives deep into the tumultuous landscape of the NFL, dissecting recent games, player performances, and the future trajectories of key athletes. Joined by co-host Chad Ochocinco Johnson, the discussion navigates through the ups and downs of teams like the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles, the standout performances of players such as Myles Garrett, and the ever-evolving conversation around MVP contenders.

Dallas Cowboys' Resilient Performance

The episode kicks off with Shannon and Chad analyzing the Dallas Cowboys' narrow victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, with a final score of 26-24. Shannon commends quarterback Cooper Rush for his effective distribution despite limited running opportunities:

"Cooper Rush did a great job of distributing the football. They couldn't run it, but Cooper Rush made enough plays with his arm."
[07:45]

Chad raises a critical point about the team's motivation:

"Why did we decide to play like this? When Dak was at quarterback, what are we doing?"
[09:00]

They ponder whether this performance is sufficient to secure Coach Mike McCarthy's position:

"I don't wonder if tonight's performance is enough to save Mike McCarthy's job."
[08:30]

Despite the Cowboys knowing their playoff chances were slim, their determination on the field was evident:

"They knew their season is basically over...and they still come out here and give you that type of effort."
[10:00]

Philadelphia Eagles’ Decline and Injuries

Shannon shifts focus to the Philadelphia Eagles, highlighting their struggles and critical injuries. The discussion centers around quarterback Jalen Hurts' concussion, which significantly impacted the game's outcome:

"Jalen Hurts... got knocked out of the game with a concussion in the first quarter."
[15:20]

Chad comments on the depth issues and offensive shortcomings:

"The offense is worse. Defense is somewhat good. If they could have some adequate, consistent quarterback play..."
[34:23]

Myles Garrett’s Stellar Season and Future Prospects

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Myles Garrett, the Cincinnati Bengals' defensive powerhouse. Shannon lauds Garrett’s remarkable achievement:

"Myles Garrett got his hundred sacks before turning 29 years of age. He tied the great Bruce Smith as the fourth fastest to get a hundred sacks."
[29:45]

Chad emphasizes Garrett's importance to the Bengals and discusses potential trade scenarios:

"If you care about the individual as a player, allowing... to go play for a contender."
[32:13]

The conversation underscores Garrett's value both on and off the field:

"You don't have to worry about getting a call saying, hey, Miles Garrett is in trouble."
[32:57]

MVP Controversies and Player Performances

Shannon and Chad engage in a spirited debate over current MVP candidates, particularly focusing on Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow. Shannon advocates for Lamar Jackson's statistical prowess:

"I would vote for Lamar. Look at Lamar's stats. The man has 37 touchdowns, four picks."
[47:23]

Chad challenges the MVP criteria, questioning the emphasis on team success alongside individual stats:

"The MVP award... takes team success into account as well."
[48:44]

They critically analyze Joe Burrow’s season, debating his eligibility based on past injuries and current performance:

"Did Joe Burrow overcome an injury or an illness?"
[68:17]

Defense Strategies and Coaching Decisions

The hosts delve into defensive tactics, highlighting the importance of anticipating receivers' movements. They discuss the Minnesota Vikings' defensive plays and their impact on games:

"Understand what you're up against, who you're up against, and you'll be just fine."
[60:00]

Shannon emphasizes the necessity for defensive backs to study opponents meticulously:

"I think these guys... you just can't let them dictate to you the game."
[61:50]

Season Outlook and Playoff Implications

The episode wraps up with a look towards the remainder of the NFL season. Shannon and Chad speculate on playoff prospects, potential upsets, and the importance of finishing strong:

"We gonna go into Pittsburgh the following week. We gonna win that game. And then when we make it and we have an opportunity to go into the playoffs..."
[52:33]

Chad expresses optimism about the Bengals' chances:

"I think we're gonna make the playoffs. I think we're gonna win these last two games."
[53:15]

Notable Quotes

• Shannon Sharpe [07:45]:
  "Cooper Rush did a great job of distributing the football. They couldn't run it, but Cooper Rush made enough plays with his arm."

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson [08:30]:
  "I wonder if tonight's performance is enough to save Mike McCarthy's job."

• Shannon Sharpe [10:00]:
  "They knew their season is basically over...and they still come out here and give you that type of effort."

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson [32:13]:
  "If you care about the individual as a player, allowing... to go play for a contender."

• Shannon Sharpe [47:23]:
  "I would vote for Lamar. Look at Lamar's stats. The man has 37 touchdowns, four picks."

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson [48:44]:
  "The MVP award... takes team success into account as well."

• Shannon Sharpe [61:50]:
  "I think these guys... you just can't let them dictate to you the game."

Conclusion

In this engrossing episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson provide an in-depth analysis of the NFL's current state. From the Cowboys' tenacity despite dwindling playoff hopes to the Eagles' mounting challenges, and the Bengals' defensive juggernaut in Myles Garrett, the conversation offers listeners a comprehensive look at the intricacies of professional football. The engaging debate over MVP candidates further adds to the rich tapestry of discussions, making this episode a must-listen for NFL enthusiasts eager to stay informed and entertained.

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But in the process of doing that, not only did they defeat the Bucks? The Bucs now are trail the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons are now in first place in the NFC south, which they are the 4 seed and Tampa slides all the way down to the eighth seed. Where you say eight seed is not bad. Shannon. Well, considering they only take seven teams is very bad. Now we'll see Sunday night OO the Commanders and the Falcons play two rookies gonna start Pennx obviously for the Falcons. Jane Daniels, who definitely secured the rookie of the year Offensive rookie of the year with that performance today. I think he had done enough over the last couple of games to kind of distance himself from Bo Nicks, but he left no doubt in what he did today, the five touchdown performance, coming from behind and doing it, he wins that award. But Ocho, when you look at the Cowboys, give them credit. They ain't got nothing to play for. They knew going into this game after the Commanders had done what they have done, their playoff hopes were done. Yeah, and they still come out here and give you that type of effort. Pressured Baker Mayfield the entire night. They picked him off, sacked him four times, pressured him numerous times and they got the big strip fumble at the end of the game to close it out. What did you like about what you saw from the Cowboys?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, I like the fact that they didn't give up. I like the fact that they didn't give up. I saw effort on both sides of the ball in all three phases of the game. I don't. I wonder if tonight's performance is enough to save Mike McCarthy job. That's the question that I have now based on what I saw from them tonight. If you can play the way you played tonight, with all the injuries that you have, what's going to happen if you have a team that's healthy and you can play like you did tonight with nothing on the line as far as playoff implications are concerned, that's the first thing that came to mind. Why are you playing this hard tonight? Where was this, where was this fight? Where was this type of effort? Where was this type of consistency on both sides of the ball during the regular season when Dak was at quarterback? I mean, what are we doing? Why did we decide to play like this? You know when I guarantee you this, I guarantee you this, if there were people that were betting on the game, I guarantee they had all their money on goddamn Tampa to win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So yeah, I'm like, and I don't know what it is about games like this and playing teams that have nothing to lose and you're playing for A playoff spot. For some reason, teams like the Cowboys always seem to ruin the team chances to maybe get in a better spot and sometimes even knock a team out the playoffs. Well, hell, you know, if we ain't going, you ain't going either.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, misery loves company. But here's the thing, Ocho. This is what you know. At the end of the year, people start playing for jobs. Because now I need to see, okay, who's giving up and who's still fighting. Because in the middle of the season, okay, oh, we played. We still got a chance. But now this is when coaches, this is when general managers, this is when front office, this tells you a lot about your players. When you have absolutely positively nothing to play for, can you still summons up the energy? Because you're still getting a check.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or you can't. Have you cashed it in? And tonight, clearly by the game, by what you saw, you see the Cowboys are still scrapping, they're still clawing, they're still trying to do everything they possibly can, although they know their season is over. Basically. They've got two more games. And then after that, after those two games, they get those hefty bags, they clean out their lockers. You give all your info. Hey, bro, what you got going on? Hit me up. If you in, if you come to Houston or if you come to Atlanta, if you come to wherever, hey, man, let's get a trip to. Let's hit the Vegas. You do all the information. You do your little. You say your goodbyes and you move on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got. You got your exit meeting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got. Yeah, that's, that's absolutely. That's Monday. You go by and talk to your position coach. You talk to the head coach. And then normally have my flight scheduled at 1:00 because I was getting over there early. What time you coming in? First thing. First thing. I'm. I'm first. I'm first. Hey, hey. And you better have. You better have more tenure to meet. Cause I'm bumping everybody. Hey, I'm gonna see my position coach first and I'm going to see. Hey, hey, bro, back up. I'm going to see Mike.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right? You getting up out of there, huh? Quick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. Ain't nothing to stick around for. What? Because, ojo, the way I did it, I didn't go home, so I didn't go back. So only time I went back to Denver was for minicamps, okay? I never went home in offseason during the season.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So you there the whole time?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm there the Whole time. So I'm ready to get home.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When I leave to go back to Denver, I'm ready to get back to Denver.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm out of there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, y'all know how to get in touch with me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ain't no back and forth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, ain't no back and forth. I'm there. I'm where I'm supposed to be. But I was very impressed with the Cowboys. It's not like Tampa played bad. Baker threw for 304 yards. They ran the ball for 134 yards. But the Cowboys pressure was relentless tonight. That D line did a great job. Zim did a great job of disguising, bringing extra pressure. They pressured, pressured him a lot more than what then I probably thought they, they, they could. But give the Cowboys credit. Like you said, Ojo, for a team that didn't have anything to play for, they knew their season was basically over. There's no playoff potential. And to come out and give this kind of effort. And as you said, hell, if y'all gave this effort, had you been playing like this on defense the entire season, who knows what your season could have been. And we don't want to blame it on injuries because guess what, you, you're more banged up now than you was in the beginning.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

At the beginning. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you didn't give this effort. You didn't give this effort against the Ravens. You didn't give this effort against the Saints. You didn't give this effort to the, against the Eagles. There are a lot of teams you didn't give this effort against. And that's why you taking your ass home instead of getting ready to try to make a playoff. Excuse me. To make a deep playoff push.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why you're not.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Cooper rush, 26, 35, 292, one touchdown. He was only sacked once. They didn't run the ball well at all. They only had 20 carries for 31 yards.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's the funny thing. The fact that they couldn't run the ball, which made them one dimensional. And then Cooper Rush, when it came to passing, he was still good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, he was still good. I was surprised that they couldn't generate more pressure than what they got. Yeah, I was, I was very, very, very, very surprised. Tampa couldn't generate more pressure than what they got. And I thought because Tampa was running the ball official well. But the Cowboys, like, like, hey, they pin their ears back. Baker give Baker credit because he got, he, he threw the ball. Well, under some very adverse circumstances. The play the last play that ended the game, he spoke, had been sacked, he frightened, scratched and clawed and got his hands up and shoveled it to. I think it was White that he was that white that ended up having the ball taken from him. But give the Cowboys credit. Tonight is their night. They played well. They won 26, 24 and they got something. They got a tough matchup next week. If I'm not mistaken. They got the Eagles. The Eagles are going to be upset. They let one slip away, have an opportunity to get home field or still stay in the running for home field. That's no longer possible. I don't think. I don't see. I don't see Detroit losing the. Losing out. They got Minnesota one of these games. Minnesota still has an outside chance of getting home field.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think they got Minnesota the last game, if I'm not mistaken.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, but it's in Detroit.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Detroit got. Don't Detroit have the Packers? I think Detroit has the Packers. They got the packers and Minnesota to close out the season. So that's gonna be. That's gonna be.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Talk about fireworks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Detroit goes to San Fran and then they get the Vikings at home. The pa. The Vikings have the Packers. Right. And the Lions. They play the Packers. They play the Packers. They got the Packers. Next week Minnesota does. And then they close out the season in Detroit. Detroit goes on the road to San Fran and then they close out the season against Minnesota at home.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So that's going to be tough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think when the NFL went to this alignment, Ocho, where the final game of the season is all division. This is what they hope for.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because people start this out. Your people starting to sit people a week, two weeks, a week. No, wait a minute.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can't sit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This ain't no NBA. Ain't no load managing here. We want something. We want it to mean something. I don't think this could. This could very well be home field advantage in a lot of. A lot of situations. Right. Determining decided in the last week of the season. So the NFL is getting exactly what they wanted and what they had hoped to happen. And I can't wait till next week. Oh, Jalen hurts. Wow. 36, 33, game winning drive. Jalen hurts on a scramble. Got hurt, got ruled. Got knocked out of the game with a concussion in the first quarter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jalen Daniels. Jaden Daniels was sensational. Five touchdown passes. Today marked the first time that Washington have won a game with five plus giveaways since week 17 of the 2002 season versus Dallas. Let that sink in they won a game. Remember Detroit had a game like that this season, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Golf threw five picks and they still won the game. That happened today. This is the first time that Washington has won a game with five plus turnovers and 30 plus points allowed in the super bowl era.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They had no business winning this game with the exception of the sensational rookie. And he was sensational. Now you got to get a little help. They put a couple of blown coverages, Ocho. And then because they left Zakiyas wide open on the sideline, I don't know what they did with that. And then Jaden Daniels threaded the needle to a Crowder for the game winning touchdown. But I love the way Jane Daniel the poison which he showed Ojo getting out of harm's way scrambling. Jaden was 24, 39, 258, five touchdowns, two picks. He was sacked three times. They ran the ball 24 for 113. Daniels nine carries, 90, 81 yards. Zacchaeus had five for 70 and two touchdowns. Terry McLaurin had five for 61 touchdowns. Jay Crowder two 15, two touchdowns. They were sensational.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought Saquon was like, man, I thought Saquon was going to go for like 250 again.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, the way he ran the ball in the first quarter, the first half, let's say the first half. The way he ran the ball in the first half, I'm like, well, he might. I said 300.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I say he might go 300.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But you know, I don't know what happened. Obviously, the injury to Jalen hurts in the first quarter. Yeah, in the first half. I thought they would have leaned more on Saquon as far as the runner concerned, but. But that didn't happen. I knew the playbook would change. The play that they're running would change. And they didn't ex. They didn't get enough of a lead once Kenny Pickett had to come in at quarterback because you know once, once the backup comes in, you know that the playbook, it shrinks. The play, the playbook shrink. You can't run the same plays you run with Jalen Hurts but Kenny Pickett. So things do change. And they didn't have enough lead to be able to win this game. And once that momentum shifted in favor of the commanders with Jaden, when, when Jaden got that goddamn 4th and 11 UNC, I knew it was going to be a long day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, we saw this, Ocho. What happened? First game of the season, Saquon dropped the pass. That would have Given him a first down, run the clock out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Remember that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then we got devontae Smith. He got a touchdown instead of kicking the field goal.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Boom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they drop a lot of passes. My boy AJ I love AJ Brown, but AJ Brown drops a lot of passes. Ocho, he does. He gotta focus. And I know some. A lot of times, Ocho, you and I have both been there. When you feel you're not gonna get the targets that you need, you're trying to get to the house on every throw, everything. And in order to do that, sometimes you gotta do this. You gotta catch the ball already with your eye and the hips already open, looking to get up field. And I think that's what's happening with AJ he's doing a lot of that because he like, man, I ain't gonna get but so many. I mean, right? Think about ocho. He had 15 targets. He called eight of them. Yeah, they ain't a good ratio, but.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Actually, you know what? It's funny. You think about the drops with AJ Brown. Devonte Smith had one, I think. I think could have sealed the game if he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It would have. Because think about how many points it'll put him up, Right? Well, now you need. You got to score, get the ball back and score again. Because now that they get the touchdown, that puts them up two scores.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or you run the. Or you're going to run the timeout. Go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That was it. That was it. I'm going to say that ball, devontae Smith, when he dropped that over the middle, I think that play in general, that catch would have sealed the game, and they could have run the clock out from that point. If I'm not mistaken, I'm not sure how much time was on the clock, but those costly drops at important times in the game, especially a game like that, when you're starting quarterback is out, you got to make those plays. You have to make those plays, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what's happened to Marshawn Lattimore, bro. He literally got Philly right down the field. He got like, three, four holding calls on one possession. And they could have called him again in the end zone. And he talking about what, bro, you holding the man. You got the man around the waist. You got the man arms. And you looking at the officials like, what? I'm like, do you not realize you're literally holding this man? Yeah, I think Ocho. I'm talking about literally.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. You know, I do think in his case, you have to think how much time he's. How much Time Marshawn has been out, obviously, the trade going from the Saints to the Commanders and then coming off. Yeah, he's coming off an injury. So until he can get his legs back underneath him, I think, you know, you want to hold a little bit your little handsy. You're not using. Not playing with the technique. You're not using your eyes, you're not trusting your feet, you know, and stuff like that. So you do. You tend to hold, you tend to grab to make sure you're in position to be able to make those plays. And they were costly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. And see, the thing is with. What you have to understand with A.J. he's a big, physical receiver. He's not twitching, he's not twitchy. He's not a guy that's looking to.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, he's looking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's looking to play through you. He's trying to play through contact. So you have to be physical with him. You can't be like a. A. A typical D, Like a typical DB with a regular receiver, small body receiver, you know, and play it. Because he's gonna play through contact. And the last thing you want him to do is catch the ball and face you up. Cause if he can face. Catch the ball and face you up at his size, he gonna run through most DBs. And so Latimore got a little handsy with him. But I was like, bro, because at first I was like, this gotta be a rookie. Ain't no way there's no veteran DB getting all these calls. And then I was like, damn, that's Marshall Latimer. And then it dawned on me like, bro, he just coming back from injury, so he's not where he needs to be. He's not seeing things. His body. His body is not, you know, not his footwork, his technique is not what it needs to be. But they got away with one today. And the reason why Saquon didn't have the second half is because guess what? There's no threat. Well, Kenny Pickett is not gonna run the goal. What you call him, Jayla Hurston is a threat to run the football. Oh, yeah. So now we don't believe Kenny Pickett can beat us throwing the football.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you know what we gonna do?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Defensively, you can call a completely different game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Different game. Oh, you know what, man? Let me. Let me. Let me stack. Let me stack this box.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Let me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let me stack. Let me stack this box. This is what we fa. Do you think you're gonna run it today?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't believe Kenny Pickett can throw the Eagles to a victory, but I believe I know Saquon can run him to a victory. So, hey, let's tighten this thing down on Saquon. No more big plays. Hey, let him get his one twos like that. We can live with that, but we can't let him hit his head on the goal post. We do not believe Kenny Pickett can beat us. Throwing the football, and he couldn't. But that was a big. I mean, they're not listening. It's a lot easier, Ocho, for the backup to come into the game when they're not expecting it. You. They ain't put. You don't practice for the backup. You practice for Jalen Hurt. So your defense is kind of tailored to what hurts can do. Herz can beat us. Give DQ credit. Dan Quinn, who's the head coach, who's also the D.C. give him, like. But it's a lot easier to call for Katie Pig. Cause he ain't going nowhere, right? He ain't going nowhere where Jalen hurts. We got to keep him in the pocket. We can't run past him because he'll jump out the window and he'll run and take off from us. Kitty Pickett ain't going nowhere. Even if we run past him, we'll chase his ass down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. So how long? How long you think? One of the funny things about concussion protocol, it seemed like it varied depending on who the players or the significance of the injury based on, you know, what they feel as far as when you have to take those concussions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I surmise he'll be back next week just.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Just like that. Yeah. I mean, if he's coming back that fast, I mean, there's no reason why. I mean, I would have thought he would have been able to come back into this game, but they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They. They do take it a little. A little bit. A little bit more for precaution. Right? Because now you got to go in the tent, and now they can call down. They got neurologists and neurologists and stuff upstairs. Ocho. They can signal down, say, like, he look a little wobbly. Let's get him off the field for a play. Let's get him into the tent. Let's get him, you know, get him evaluated and see. But you can tell because he got hit in the side. See, that was the problem that he had. He going down his head, and then the guy hit him in the side of his head.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he was wobbly now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Hell, yeah, he was absolutely. He was wobbly. But give them credit. The Eagles lose to the Washington commanders. The Commanders 10 and 5. With that win, the Cowboys and the 49ers were eliminated from the playoffs. The Eagles fall to 12 and 3. Still they I already won the the the. No. Hell no. They still have a Washington can still catch it because if they lose out and Washington win out, can Washington catch him? Yes no. What are they both? What if they both what are they both 12 and 5? Because I don't think the Eagles hadn't won the division, have they? Yeah. So Sarah ready to decay. So that means Washington can catch it. Kansas City's won the division. That means nobody in the division can catch him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Buffalo is won the division. That means nobody in the division could catch him. But I think they would have to win. Washington would have to win out and the Eagles would have to lose out. Yes. Washington has at home against the Falcons on the road against the Cowboys. The Eagles have the Cowboys this week and who do they close with? Giants. They ain't losing out, but keep your head up.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. Your Bengals defeated the Browns 24. 6. Jamar Chase passed 1500 yards, breaks his own franchise receiving yardage record.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I told you. I told you who he was. I told you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Garrett. Miles. Garrett got his hundred Sack before turning 29 years of age. He tied the great Bruce Smith as the fourth fastest to get a hundred sacks.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Bengals next play at home on Saturday, if I'm not mistaken. Against the Broncos. Correct.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And we against whom?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Broncos.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Guess who gonna win that game? And I'm gonna be there. Matter of fact, I'm going to the game. I hope it's cold. I hope it's cold. Cause y'all don't do well in the cold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do realize, like, Denver gets cold in Denver, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It get cold in Cincinnati, too. Just as cold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, we. We used to the cold. Joe Burrow, 23 of 32, 52, three touchdowns, zero interception. He won sacks four times. They ran the ball 22 times for 116 yards. Chase Brown, 18 carries, 91 yards. But it was T. Jamar Chase 6 for 97 in the touchdown. He's going to win the triple crown. Nobody's even close to him in touchdowns, catches or yards. So he's going to get that. T had eight for 58, one touchdown. How you say that name? Louis Vaya.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Just. Just say Yoshi.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yoshi. Yoshi had three for 53.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And a touchdown. Ocho. Cleveland. Yeah. Miles Garrett looking to get up out of there?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you obviously he looking to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get up out of there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho, most times, normally with a player like that, a player of his caliber, that doesn't cause any problems. He comes to play week in and week out, regardless of what's going on. You know what you're going to get out of him. You want to. You understand that as a team, as an ownership gm, you understand that you're in a rebuilding stage. You're going to have to find a quarterback, one that you can build with and you're in a rebuilding stage. As far as Mount Garrett is concerned, if you care about the individual as a player, allowing not, how do I say it, not keeping him imprisoned while you're in a rebuilding stage, do right by the individual because he's always done right by you. Now, most times when it comes to business, they don't think like that. But you would think in this case, in this scenario, after what he's already said and what he's done for you and what he's given that organization in that city, you give him an opportunity to go play for a contender and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It gives you go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I would think. I would think and hope they, they, they would do the right thing until they, until they rectify their situation at the quarterback position.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, it's going to take a king's ransom to get him. You're talking about a guy that's 29 years of age, Premier doesn't miss time. He gives it to you every game. He's great against the rush. Obviously. He's a premier pass rusher, which that's what everybody's looking for. He complet plays the run, he's durable. He doesn't give you any problem on the field or off the field. When you go to bed at night, you don't having to worry about getting a call saying, hey, Miles Garrett is in trouble. You don't worry about that. He's one of those guys, you rest real easy knowing that he's going to be a professional both on and off the field at all times. And you can respect that and you appreciate that. But it's probably going to take two first rounders, maybe even a player, a quality player that's on your roster and some others, maybe a second or a third. He's not coming cheap, nor should he. Because what if you're giving up that level of player, Ocho, I need to be able to replace it with draft picks. Now, there is no Guarantee you're ever going to get a player to replace, to feel to be what he was. But I got.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm more. The problem is with Cleveland. They're more than Miles Garrett away. So I would come out better, Ocho. You know what I'm saying? Getting draft picks on a potential player to try to and build from there. If I was just a Miles Garrett away, I'm like, no, I'm gonna keep it. And if I just get one player. But there are a lot of players away, Ocho, especially offensively.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I think. I think honestly, defensively, I think they're good. I think they're sound. If they could have some adequate, consistent quarterback play that can, you know, move their ass up and down that goddamn field and be able to facilitate the ball that we've seen from them in spurts when certain quarterbacks have been in there, I think. I think they'll be fine. But I mean, just. Just right now, it's not what it is, and I would hope they do right by Miles Garrett and giving him the opportunity to go and play for a contender. So we'll see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Cleveland. Cleveland played him tough for as long as they possibly could, Ojo. It's just that they're undermanned at the quarterback position. They look at it. They ran the ball 24 times for a buck 46. So you're getting what, five, six? You're getting basically six yards of carry, Ocho. You can't complain about that. Ford gave you 11 for 92. Your quarterback has great legs. He's a mobile quarterback. Not that accurate, but, you know, they got a touchdown, got it called back with holding or got another big first down, got that call back for holding. They're okay, but they're ways away. Offensively, they're ways away. They need a couple of wide receivers. I mean, Judy is good, but I mean, Judy's like, bro. Even he's thinking like, man, if I just had a decent quarterback, y'all see what I can do. If y'all got a quarterback to get me to rock. Y'all saw that the last three weeks. But he got three targets for 20 yards. Three car, three targets, two catches, 20 yards. What are you supposed to do with that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Absolutely nothing. But this. This is a game, a game like this. If I was Judy, you know, when I. I think about some of the times when I had Gus Farrak, you know, when I had Scott Mitchell, when I had John Kidnapper, and understanding that, you know, what the offensive. The offensive play caller was going to Be a little different. You know, the ball coming to me was going to be a little different. So what I would do, What I would do is, is always before I leave or break the huddle, boom. I call it. Mind fucking the quarterback. He already has enough to worry about. Unk, you don't want to buy the quarterback. He has to come to the line, he has to go through his read, he has to go through his progression, his pre snap stuff. So always when the play is called, right before I leave the huddle, I tap his hip. All right? Now I'm here. And just that, just to let him know if you want somewhere to go with the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care what the play call is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, I don't care what the play call is. And I. Hey, listen. And then Unk, you know how I am. I know you've seen the clip before. I come out the huddle and I line up and I see coverage and it's mad when it's off or when he's on. The first thing I do, you can hit an entire stadium. Just alert the quarterback. All right? Now, when you hear that sound, you know what time it is. Just take a peek. Now, you ain't got to do much to take a quick peek. Now, if I hit you with that, I got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I'm telling you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

99, 99.9 of the time. I got you like life insurance. I tell Constant all the time that she ain't got to do that. You ain't got to go through all that bullshit. Now I got you. Yeah, understand that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but Ocho, you saw this again. Joe got sacked and the ball came out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don't do that. Don't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don't, don't do that. Don't, don't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I hear you, I hear you, but don't do that. Come on, now. I understand. I know, I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In Kansas City, what happened? Ocho, you had a seven point lead. What happened?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, the ball came out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore. You see what happening is. And see, the problem with fans don't understand is what you do understand. Yeah, you had a 14 point lead, but what happens when you don't have that lead? You had that lead against Baltimore. You had a 10 point lead and then what happened? You threw a pick. You fumble. Boom. Now you had a seven point lead against Kansas City. Script, sack, scoop and score Pittsburgh. You threw two picks and you, well, a pick and you fumbled it. Yeah, that's what gets you beat. You play in Cleveland, you're supposed to Molly walk Cleveland, that offense don't you do nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, it's still Cleveland that the defense ain't bad now, but the offense worse. Yeah, yeah, the offense is worse. Defense is somewhat good. Remember, this is a division game. This is a division game, and for some reason, it's always close. Hell, look how the Bills been playing all season. And look how they struggled against the Patriots today. So it's something about those games. Steelers, Ravens, always close. It's never really a blowout most of the time. So I. I mean, listen, the. The Browns had their hands full playing. They. Listen, they had to play against the greatest Bangle receiver of all time. The greatest of all time. The first receiver to ever have 1500 yards in the season, huh? Fifteen touchdowns. Wait, 16 now, you know, they ain't never seen nothing like that young bull. He from New Orleans, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was willing to work, huh? Boy, boy. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Mike Brown kicking his own self in the ass.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. I don't know why they played with him. I don't know. Anytime you have a receiver that comes out after the draft, after getting drafted, and the first thing he says is, before he say anything else, I'm breaking every motherfucking record y'all got. That's it. Well, he didn't curse, but I'm a curse for him. Hey, just add a little seasoning to it, huh? You coming in with that. With that type of. That type of moxie. That's what. That's. That's what that. That's what. That's what the white folks call it. They call it moxie, you know, I call it. I call it confidence. You know, and people that don't like the Bengals or like Jamar, they gonna call it arrogance. You know, believing in yourself, understanding your skill set, knowing the work that you put in to get to this point, to know what you're gonna do when I get to where I'm going, huh? Come on, man. We've been doing this, man. Ask Papa Chase. Papa Chase. I know y'all watching. They. They watching, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know they watching, man. Look, it's one thing to like, okay, I went to the Pro bowl, okay? One thing that I went. I'm an All Pro. I'm first team All Pro. He's gonna be a unanimous first team All Pro selection. Yeah. He'll be one of the few guys that make a first team off road selection, right? It's one thing, okay, I led the league in receiving or I led the league in yardage, or I led the league In Touchdown, bro. He got it all. He got sweepstakes. Oh, yeah. It's almost like Ocho, he won the Powerball. Mega Millions. Cash. Cash three Fantasy Five Cash.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Matter of fact. Oh, my goodness. Now that you just said that everybody in the chat, including you, like, listen, I think the Powerball or Mega man is a lot of whatever it is right now. Is that what, nine, 20 something?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nine.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nine what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, make sure you go play that chat. Everybody in the chat, please go play Powerball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. You gotta go. Ocho. You got to play that. You got to be in some little rural area, right? They ain't gonna let you win in the Miami guards. Okay, so.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't think so?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think. Listen, I think it's about guessing the numbers. It's about getting the numbers right. You can go watch YouTube. You can go. Go watch YouTube and watch some of the. Some of the videos on how to. To. To. To. To make your chances greater by using certain numbers and certain strategies and certain methods. So I'm gonna do it. And when I win. When I win, I'm telling you, I'm taking all of us nightcap. We all gonna move in the same community.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, we not. I winning. I'm moving. I'm giving me a little condo in Houston. I move, I win a little something, get a little condo in Houston.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There we go. There we go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nobody gonna know I got a condo in Houston, though, huh? Nobody but me and the real estate agent. That's the only people that's gonna know I got a condo in Houston.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I. I'm gonna know. I'm going, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't go. No, no, no, no. You draw too much attention. No. Hell no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't even go out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do, and you want to talk. Hey, you. Yeah. Let's take a picture. Get it in here. Let's get a picture. No. Hell no. No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, hook it up. Hook it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, hey, but Chase, man, congratulations, bro. You have finished this thing off strong. Go ahead and get this Triple Crown, one of the great seasons. He's at 108 catches. He's over 1500 yards. He's got 16 touchdowns. There's a chance he could get to 130 catches, get to a seven. I mean, 130, 1700 yards, maybe 18, 19 touchdowns, maybe even a magic number 20.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Which will be one. Which will be. Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There's still two games left, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two games left.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, man, he go. He gonna. He Gonna. He gonna crush that. He definitely gonna crush that. Hey, can I. Can I tell y'all something?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, they got what you call. I think they close out with Pittsburgh, don't they got the Steelers. I think y'all got Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, that's good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y'all got the Bronco. And Pittsburgh. And Pittsburgh.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, and I just want to say one thing. The numbers Chase is putting up the season. He's had the consistency that he's had since he's entered the league week in and week out. Know the ups and downs, even when things aren't going well. I just want everybody to know it's from. From a diet, a nutritional standpoint, that ja'Marr Chase eats McDonald's. I just want to throw that out there. I don't know why that was on my heart. It was heavy on my heart just to let you guys know that. It was heavy on my heart to let you know as well unk what he's been able to do on that diet. And it's not what you eat. It's not what you eat. It's all skill set. Either you got it or you don't. But anyway, we can go ahead with the show.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Bills defeated the Patriots by a lot closer score than people would have thought, 24 to 21. The Bills got up to got a shaky win off a team that should have dominated. Josh Allen's been playing with a broken left hand all season. Wonder how that got leaked all of a sudden. He broke it in week one. Hold on. He broke it in week one. And here we are, week 15. Anyway, but guess what? It's been reported that Gerard Mayo's job security is reportedly safe unless there's a total collapse at the end of the season. Ocho, you watch this game. What didn't you like about what you saw from Buffalo? And then we'll get into the Patriots.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We had some drops. And you know, I'm not even gonna say what I didn't like from Buffalo, because I know what it's like playing against a divisional opponent. I know what it's like. I just saw Buffalo put up 40 in back to back weeks against two teams that were really, really good, that were really good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rams and the Rams and the Lions.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But again, the Rams and the Lions. But these are teams that you don't face often. These are teams that don't know your tendencies. They don't know the things you like to do. They're really not familiar like that. So I expected. Matter of fact, I think I said it too I think I said it when we talked yesterday about. Yeah. About them having to play the Patriots. I say it's going to be close because anytime you play a divisional opponent, I don't know what it is. Even though the Patriots have played bad, you know. Well, they've had some. They have some bright spots for Drake May. Drake May has had some moments where he looked very good and very promising. But I said. I said, you know, the game is going to look like this. And lo and behold, exactly like I said it would look. That's exactly how it looked where Drake May and those Patriots almost won this game. They almost won this game. So what I saw today was expected because it's a divisional opponent and both teams are so familiar with each other and what they like to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They did a better job of taking care of the football. They would have won. Drake made through a horrible interception in the end zone that took points off the board. They had four fumbles, they lost two of those. And you can't have. When you're playing on the road and you're playing a team that's better than you are, everything damn near has to go perfect.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Perfect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it was going. It was going really well. But those turnovers, you can't turn the ball over. You cannot. You cannot turn the ball over in the end zone. That's a. That's an absolute no. No. Because you take points off the board. Josh Allen, and remember I was on First Take and I said, no, MVP is not over. It is not over. And that's why I always advise people. And I used to vote for a decade. I had a vote. I voted for the MVP. I voted for first, the All Pro team. I voted for the wards OJo, you know, offensive player of the year, defense and so forth and so on. And I waited to the very. And I took it serious. And I obviously, you know, being in the studio, you get an opportunity to watch all the games. I ain't just watching highlights. I'm watching because that's why I felt very comfortable. I took it serious. I'm not just going by. Excuse me, guys. I'm not just going by names because I think the All Pros team is serious because you talk about the best players regardless of conference. So I'm just. Not your name. Your name means nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nothing at all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm basing on play that year. I'm not trying to take away the All Pro teams that you got selected on before. That's not what I'm trying to do. But if I don't Feel you deserving of that honor this year. I'm not voting for you. It's really that simple. Yeah, but Lamar and I said this, I say, y'all gotta look at Lamar's stats. I mean, the man has 37 touchdowns, four picks. And then you throw in his rushing total, so he's 40 touchdowns with like six or seven turnovers. You look at his, you look at his passing numbers. That's what Aaron Rodgers was doing when he was winning MVP, right? Throwing 40 plus touchdowns with single digit interceptions. That's what he's doing. Now. I do think, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, they're like, but hold on, he got a guy that rushed for 1600 yards in his backfield, so what are we going to do with that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so I think that his numbers are his numbers now, right now if I had a vote, I probably will vote for Lamar, right? I would vote for Lamar.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Has your vote, is your vote swayed because of the performance that Josh Allen? Josh Allen had just like it was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Swayed just like it was swayed when Lamar lost and he didn't just like it was swayed when he played against Pittsburgh, remember, he didn't play well, right. This week he came back and he played better. And you look at the last couple of weeks, Josh Allen had like 10 touchdowns in two games. How can it not? But we got to be a fair, we got to evaluate it on what we see. They got two games left. I do believe Lamar Jackson can win. It'd be interesting to see. I bet those odds for Josh Allen winning the MVP ain't what they started today. I bet you that. What are the odds now? Well, he started at minus 900 today, right? I think he started at minus 900.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know what I don't like? I don't like the fact that when it comes to the MVP award, it's an individual accomplishment. But when it comes to what's necessary to win it, as far as the team success as well, they take that into account as well. Because if we were talking about MVP from a statistical standpoint and stats, I look at Joe Burrow and always ask myself, well, why is he not in the conversation? And then everyone says, well, the team itself is losing, so therefore he's not in the, you know, he's, he's not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the, I mean, I mean he go, I mean, there's a chance, I mean, he doesn't make the playoffs, you're never gonna get the MVP on the guy that didn't make the playoffs.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's the thing. I think Joe has had a phenomenal season. Now had. They have a, they had a record similar to Lamar's or they had a record similar to Josh Allen.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We have a case, we got a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got a whole different discussion.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean the guy MVP and the guys, what is they. He's 7 and 8. Could be really tough.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I, I know, I know it's tough, but, but again, that's why I just said how the goal post move when it comes to discussion on a, on a, on a trophy that, based on individual accomplishment and accolades on what you've done individually.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know, so using the team's success as a reason why you can't be in the conversation, it throws me off just a tad bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because at the end of the day, what does those stats mean if you're not winning? Because at the end, and this is what I used to argue with, with, with my co host, my partner on first on Undisputed, I said still a stat award. You're not. You go 150 and you got 3,000 yard passing. And another guy goes 10 and 6 and he's got 5,000 yard passing and 40 touchdowns, right? And you got 3,000 yards and 20 touchdowns. You're not winning that award. Go back and look. Look at all those years Drew Brees was throwing for 5,000 yards. How many MVPs did he win?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's a stat award. But I need, I need those stats to equate the wins, right? So if I'm piling up a bunch of stats oo and I ain't getting no wins, people go like all bro, yeah, yeah, well hell, you behind. All you doing is you stat pad, right? Because none of those numbers goes towards wins, right? And like I said, y'all don't believe it. Go back and look at Drew Brees and look how many. I think he got four or five 5,000 yard passing season. But when you losing, how can I give you an award like that? Because your stats doesn't equate to wins. Lamar stats is equating to wins. Jared Goff, although he doesn't have, I mean he had an outstanding day today. You look at Josh Allen, his numbers equates to wins, right? Saquon, his numbers equates to wins. But I think the only thing that's really hurting Lamar is that he got a 16, almost a 1700 yard rush in his backfield, right? Who's averaging five and a half yards of carry. He's got 13, 14 rushing touchdowns.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When I think about it, Chad, y'all might not like this. And uncle, you might not like this. I mean, Joe Burrow hasn't been in the conversation for MVP all season long because of our record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, right, Correct.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But these last two games, these last two games after we beat the Broncos on Saturday, I'm telling you right now, I'm letting you know right now, you know, Patrick Surtain Jr. You got to deal with Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. So at Bo Knicks ain't nothing. You gonna get knixed. That's what's gonna happen. Well, we gonna go into Pittsburgh the following week. We gonna win that game. And then when we make it and we have an opportunity to go into the playoffs because the football guys happen to bless us, that MVP conversation gonna have to change.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's a good chance, Ocho, it gonna hurt. Y'all beat the Broncos and then lose the final game of the season. It gonna hurt. That's gonna hurt. Oh, that gonna hurt, Ocho, so bad. Cause I know you gonna be happy. What I tell you. Look, I told you, y'all lose that thing gonna hurt. That thing gonna hurt like shot a say brand new shoes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It is. It is. And that, that would probably. That would probably be another moment that I would get emotional on camera. And I don't care who laugh and I don't care if they make me a meme because I still love and bleed and live the game of football. I just do. I wish I could play it. I wish I could still be out there competing, having fun, but I just can't. So I live vicariously through the show, watching it on tv, and I think we gonna make the playoffs. I think we gonna make it. We gonna win these last two games. I know how it's gonna work. I understand how the football gods work. I've seen the NFL script, know how the story end is going to go.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

The Lions defeated the Bears 34, 17, even without Montgomery, who was sidelined with an MCL injury in Chicago. Gibbs finished with 154 scrimmage yards. 109 of those came on the ground and a touchdown while having four receptions for 45 yards. Jerry Goff finished today 23 of 32, 336, three touchdowns, zero interception. He also set a career high in passing touchdowns in the season with 33 with two games to go. Ojo, you watch the Lions go on the road in Soldier Field and do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What they want to do. Go out there and have fun. Take Motown. Take Motown to Chicago. They hit the temptation moves. Celebrate throwing the ball all over the place. Jameson Williamson doing what Jameson Williamson does. Amon Ross, St. Brown scoring. I don't know. I don't know what kind of celebration that was on the guy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, y'all know what they do. All I know is they're gonna get fined for it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You think so? Hey, that was Yamir Gibbs, right? He was, like, doing a stripper dance or something on the phone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what they was doing right now. Minnesota got the dancing thing on lock. Right now. Minnesota, they got the choreography. They got it on lock.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho, listen. I don't know. I. Listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Excuse me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Chat for being rude. Excuse me for being. For being disrespectful, whoever the young bull is for the Minnesota Vikings that did the celebration where he copied the lady who did the freestyle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. At the Olympics.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

At the Olympics. Did the celebration. I don't know. I don't know. Young boy name. But that, to me, is one of the greatest celebrations of all time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they just hit the white chicks a couple of weeks ago. Been with white chicks. Oh, that was a good one. The lady today they do it. And they had the line with everybody doing it. I said, because, you know, the lineman they be wanting to get. Hey, man, let us see. No, y'all about to mess this up. No. Yeah, if y'all. If you rehearse it and get it right, we'll let you participate. But. Yeah, but Minnesota got the dancing thing on lock right now. But I was very impressed with Minnesota. The only thing. Oh, Joe, you mean Detroit. Detroit.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Detroit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Detroit. No, I would say Minnesota's choreography.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, Detroit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Coach Campbell, it's okay to take a field goal, bro. All these fours and threes, man. Come on, man. Come on. Kick the field goal and go up 37, 17. It's okay. It really is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho, he trying to. He trying to run the score up, man. He don't even. He don't even see it, you know, hey, Dan is playing balls to the wall, and he's the definition of a visual representation of. I don't give a. I'm gonna do it my way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm doing. I'm gonna. I listen. I don't know. What. What's the word? What's the word they say? Not. Not tendencies. Where analytics. I don't care what analytics say. I'm going against it. I like. I like Dan. I know his players got to love him, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do. Caleb Williams. Go ahead. What'd you say? Don't you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

My bad. Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was saying Caleb Williams was 26 and 43, 34, two touchdowns. He was sacked to twice. Ocho, they just got to do a better job. I mean, the first four possession, two punts, two fumbles, and you're down. Because then they get going, but you've already. You're not good enough to spot a team and to overcome that deficit, you're just not. Keenan Allen was sensational. Nine for a buck 41, a touchdown. Wrong doozay. Four for 77. D.J. moore, seven for 68. They didn't run the ball nearly enough. But you fall behind like that. So basically, you gotta throw that. You gotta throw the. The running game out the window. But. But the golf, when you run the ball like they do play action. I don't. Bruh. If Jameson Williams lined up on your Side safety Jonathan Owens. If your cornerback is playing outside leverage, so you know you got the goal ball cup. The only thing that can hurt you if he get over the top of you at the post, you better get on your damn horses and get back. I don't know what you looking for, but he can run. And here's the thing, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Corner don't put hands on him, so you don't make him check his feet. So by his fourth step, fifth step, he full speed. And so while you. Hey, you go back and look at it when they show the All 22, right? When that come, when Stevenson opens up and he starts digging, he steps that left foot in the dirt and the head to that post and on his look, it's over.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's too late. Yeah, it's over. It's impossible to recover at that point if you're not already going. You got to know when to go. You got to know when to go. Anticipation skills as a DB is understanding what's in front of you, who's in front of you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got to know. You got to know your competition. You got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If I'm on Tyreek side, Tyreek, and I know the cornerback, and I know the corner's opening up. Yeah. And he got he. So he's taking away his outside for the goal. Oh, Tyreek ain't beat me to the post. He might run the dagger, but he didn't get to the post.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm gonna stay so far on that upfield shoulder. So far up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You not. You would not beat me out of position. No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think guys do enough of studying and understand tendencies because there are certain things I was not going to let a guy beat me with. You're not going to beat me with your strength. Now, if you got a counter move, because I'm gonna take away the initial move, right? If I'm in pass protection, I'm going to take away your initial move. If I know you trying to get up field, I'm going to open up, I'm going to kick. But, bro, they let these guys, you know, that guy runs four, three, and you just, like, casually, bro. No, that's not Keenan Allen who you practice against, Right. Keenan Allen is looking to shake your ass up. Jameson Williams is looking to take the top off.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Understand what you're up against, who you're up against, and you'll be just fine. But I think these guys, a lot of times, I was like, they just going out there and think, okay, he A wide receiver. No, bro. Some of these guys can really dig. And you better understand that or you're gonna be smelling deodorant.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But that's the test.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir. Yeah. Make a smell of deodorant. Don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yo, that's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I, I don't. But the Lions look really good. Even after that tough loss last week. They bounced right back. It's a cause. Think about it. They can go get 30 at the drop of a hat any day.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Any day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They can get 30 at the drop of a hat. You just hope you hold that. Cause you who they played with the Jags where they put 59. They score, bro, they didn't punt the ball to damn near five minutes in the fourth quarter. That's how they going up and down the field. Really good team. Somebody gonna have to work cut out for them. Y'all better hope y'all can get their ass outside. Hopefully they don't get home, home, home.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Field in that dome.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if they get home field, you got to hope now, Ocho, they're off a little bit and we can put them behind the eight ball, right? But if you let them, if you let them dictate to you the game, please, you, you, you, you, you in for trouble. The Vikings, Minnesota Vikings go on the road, defeat The Seattle Seahawks 27 24. As crazy as it sounds, the Vikings now have a clear path to the top seed. They'll clinch the top seed if they win their final two games. And because in the process of doing that, that means they would have had to defeat the Detroit Lions. Darnold finished with 22 of 35 passes. 246, three touchdowns, no turnover. Found JJ 10 times for a buck 44 and twice scored twice. Sam Donald might stay, give JJ McCarthy that look, your love treatment. He hadn't had a whole lot of game winning drives because he's really not been in a situation. I mean, you played with the jets and you play with Carolina. Yeah, you're not going to get that many opportunities. But when you look at JJ and Addison and Hawkinson and Aaron Jones, bro, they've surrounded him with talent and he's done a great job of distributing the football. You just can't turn the ball. I mean Seattle, you turn the ball a little too much, you can't throw. Geno had a 31 of 43, 314, three touchdowns. But two picks, the last one basically seal the ball game. You can't do that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Not at all. You got to give yourself a chance. You have to give yourself a chance to win the game. And the only way to do that is you have to possess the ball. You got to be able to possess the ball and be able to move the ball down the goddamn field. You know, you can't do that. Giving it away, especially giving it away to them. As well as the Vikings have been playing all year, Sam Donald has been phenomenal the entirety of the season. Well, listen, that. What? That wasn't on my bingo card. I'm just gonna be honest with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hell, it wasn't nobody that was not eligible for comeback player of the year. Ocho, you got eligible to come back here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They got two. Who else do they give it to? Who else would they give it to? You. You have to, because you're not expecting it. You've seen him be a starter in New York. You've seen him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's ineligible, huh? Because he didn't come back from Illinois. Because after they gave it to Joe Flacco, people got upset. They're like, hold on. Joe didn't come back from nothing. He just came back off his damn couch. He wasn't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on, man. I, I. Listen, I understand, but listen, I, I understand. You got to move the goal post a little bit when it. When it comes to. To the fourth, to the damn. What's the word, huh? Anyway. Hey, Chat. Sam Donald deserves comeback player of the year whether he's coming back from an injury, whether he's coming back from playing bad. We've seen what he looked like when he was in Carolina. We saw what he looked like when he was with the New York jets playing the way he's played this year, man, he's deserving of that award. I don't care what the prerequisites may be to win it, man. Forget that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No joke. Cause you can't come back from playing bad. You just some sauce. You got to come back from an illness. You got to come back from a major injury, like Adrian Peterson, like Teddy Bruski, like Tom Brady, you know, you need. You got to come back from something.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, nobody. No, nobody's. Nobody's in contention to win that award because nobody's playing that damn well that's coming off of any type of injury or illness. So this year, we need to just give the award to goddamn Sam Donald. Now, I don't know who I need to talk to. I don't know whose soapbox I need to stand on and who I need to send a letter of recommendation to for Sam Donald, but I will do so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to think who's even eligible that I can think of off the top of my head as a quarterback or a running back.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We in week 15, and the fact that you have to think lets you know who needs to win it. There it is right there. I got a PP real quick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, if that's the case, what you call him going to win it. Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow had torn ligaments in his wrist. So, I mean, if I had a vote, that's who I'm voting for. Because he is coming back off of something. Coming back because you, lack of a better term, suck. That ain't overcoming something. That's overcoming your own bad play. That's not an injury. That's not an illness. But for me, I think Joe Burrow would. Would probably win that award considering he missed what, five, six games last year and he's coming back and he's leading the league in touchdown passing passes. He's leading the league and, and, and. And passing yardage. Yeah, it's. For me, that's who I think would win it. I would definitely give it to him. Oh, okay. Yeah. J.K. dobbins. Hell, he out again. So he might be eligible for it next year. He might be eligible for it next year. But I get why they doing it this way. Because Joe Burrow got it and all he did was come off his couch. He didn't come off an injury or anything like that. And it's like, that's not what coming back from. Because that's the case. There are a lot of guys that's coming that. That suck one year and play really well the next year, but that's not what the war was intended for. Joe Burrow is going to win this award. You know that, right? What? You remember Joe Burrow hurt his wrist last year and missed six games?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, now you still. You still think Sam Darnold gonna get that. Shouldn't get that award.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Don't try to put Joe in this. Don't try to put Joe in this conversation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just telling you he owned.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, if there's a conversation you want to have and you want to use Joe Burrow's name, it needs to be the MVP conversation, not no comeback player of the year. We used.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did Joe Burrow overcome an injury? Did he finish the season last year? It's a simple question. It's a simple yes or simple no. Did Joe Burrow finish the season for the Cincinnati Bengals last year?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So therefore, he would have been a player that overcame injury or an illness. Now, what was the injury or the illness that Sam Donald overcame to make himself eligible for this award?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The illness is having to play for the jets organization.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't with the Jets. He was with the 49ers. He was a backup. Okay, let's try again.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, the Panthers organization, then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wasn't on the panthers. That was two years ago. He was on the 49ers, on the backup roll again. Let's try again.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right, the 49ers. You know what the goddamn. The, the, the, the, the mental. I'm trying to think of a word to use to help Sam. Sam out right here, and I can't think of an argument. I can't think of an argument.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That lets you know. Right there. You got it. There you go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If there's an mip, if you want to say most improved player.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's only in basketball. We don't have that in football.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Listen, I'm trying to figure out an argument for him, but I can't right now. I can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you go figure out an argument for Sam Darnold over Joe Burrow for comeback player of the year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, because I'm not, I don't, I don't. Listen, we're used to seeing Joe play great, you know, regardless. We're not saying, oh, all of a sudden he came back from injury, he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Came back off an injury, or he's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Not the most improved, because we're used to seeing him play like this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's not the most improved. It's comeback. Comeback. In the definition of the bylaws, you must come back from an injury or an illness. You still haven't told me the injury or the illness that Sam Darnold overcame to be in this discussion.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, listen, I, I, well, the Elders is having to be a backup for some, some horrendous teams.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, being a backup for the 49ers a bad job? You went to the super.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. I didn't say that. I'm just saying the two before that, the previous ones before that, you don't get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was like, wait a minute. So you want to jump? You want to jump two years, three years and say, okay, he's still overcoming, trying to come back from there?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, that, that stuff takes a mental toll on you. That stuff takes a mental toll on you. Can, can you imagine, you know, the dysfunction you had to deal with back to back in two different places, then all of a sudden you get the sunshine over in San Francisco where things are okay, but you don't get to see the field. You don't get to show them what you can do, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I'm giving to Bryce Young then. How about that? Bryce Young won one game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, he looking good though. We get that in a minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I mean, you don't want to get. You don't want to give it over to Bright. Hold on, check this out. He won one game last year and he got benched during the season this year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn. Hey, you know, there's. There's a chance, you know, that I. I don't know. There's a chance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ricky, Pierce all got shot. Tank Dale got shot.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on, come on now, you don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think that's overcoming something? Somebody put some hot lead in your ass, man. Come on. That means that gotta be something, don't it, Chat?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, man, that don't count.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That don't count. Hey, listen, Sam is playing so well. I think he's played himself. He's played himself into a good contract with another team. But I don't think the Vikings let him go. I don't think the Vikings let him go simply because of the uncertainty in J.J. mcCarthy going to be healthy and ready to go when he gets back. Is it another situation where it could be like a Kirk Cousins and a Michael Pitting Jr. Do we secure Sam Darnold? And knowing what he gives you if McCarthy happens to go down again, I mean you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You willing to invest 100 plus million guarantees? Because you see what it. And I tried to tell you and you said no. Now, cousins made 62 million this year, right. He's gonna make another 38 million next year to get him at 100. Now, they're not going to pick up that roster bonus because they didn't pick up the roster bonus. They'd have had to insure the rest of it, which would have been 180 million. So now he gonna be he being pull a Russ. You okay with that? Now? I don't look and I tried it and I said, ocho, at best case scenario, right, Cousins give you two years. That's the absolute best case. And you paying him 100 million, right? What happens if he gives you one and you're still on the hook for 100?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Exactly what he gave us. You're hoping. Your fingers are crossed. Your fingers are crossed and it didn't work. It didn't work out how we thought it would. We didn't get the Kirk Cousins that we thought we were going to get. Now we saw him. We saw him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, we did. We got in the first half. But there was a five game stretch when you got the Kirk Cousins that we know he could potentially be also.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, but when he was on, he was on. But when he's off. Oh, oh, he off. I'm talking about he off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, when he's off. Yeah. Hide the women and children? Cause hey, he about to pull his pants down. It ain't. It ain't pretty. It was bad. It was really, really bad. The volume.