Nightcap Hour 1: Trevor Lawrence & Jaguars KNOCK OFF the Chiefs + Havoc from MOBB DEEP talks NEW ALBUM + Jerry Jones FLIPS OFF Jets Fans

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1: Jaguars Upset the Chiefs + Havoc (Mobb Deep) on New Album + NFL Culture Talk

Date: October 7, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-Host: Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson
Special Guest: Havoc (Mobb Deep)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap Hour 1 on Club Shay Shay dives deep into the Jaguars' thrilling comeback win against the Kansas City Chiefs, the emergence of Trevor Lawrence, and the resilience of the Jacksonville franchise. It features a revealing interview with Havoc of Mobb Deep about their first new album since Prodigy's passing, as well as candid conversation about hip-hop culture, battle rap, NFL global expansion, and old-school versus modern football coaching.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Jaguars vs. Chiefs Recap and Analysis (03:02–26:44)

Trevor Lawrence & the New Jaguars:

• Shannon Sharpe opens with praise for the Jaguars’ resilience, breaking down their 31–28 upset over the Chiefs after fighting back from a 14-point deficit.

• Trevor Lawrence’s stat line: 18/25, 221 yards, 1 TD. More notably, his ability to use his legs against Kansas City's pressure.

  • “It was his legs tonight, it seems like to me. Liam Cohen said, look, when they come with pressure…get up out of there. And that's what he did tonight.” – Shannon Sharpe (05:59)

• Chad praises the new-look Jaguars:

  • “This is not the Jaguars of old. This is a new team…normally a team like this, the old Jaguar team, they would have folded like a lawn chair. But they continue to fight…” (10:19)

• Key plays: Defensive standouts, including a 99-yard interception by Lloyd, and Travis Etienne’s critical blitz pickups.

Chiefs’ Offensive Woes:

• Mahomes’ night: 29/41, 318 yards, 1 TD, but a costly interception.

• Missed connections and receiver miscommunications:

  • “When you don't have a rapport with your quarterback…if Hollywood Brown had a rapport…they win this game.” – Sharpe (19:12)
  • “That's Tyreek Hill, we're having a whole different conversation because they have an understanding with each other.” (20:58)

• The importance of situational football, clock management, and coaching:

  • “Special teams coach, you’ve got to do a better job of helping guys understand…Remind them.” – Sharpe (22:29)
  • “Coaches have to know in-game what's possible…so be aware and understand.” – Johnson (23:30)

NFL Scheduling & Expansion:

• Debating the value of Monday Night Football doubleheaders and the looming addition of more playoff games and the possibility of an 18th regular-season game.

  • “They're trying to double dip…If you understand the business, they just trying to double dip.” – Johnson (25:57)
  • “They gonna add another playoff game in the next three to five years…and you know that 18th game coming.” – Sharpe (26:44)

• NFL's international ambitions:

  • “I don't know if football, American football, will ever be what soccer is or what basketball is. Because nobody grows up wanting to be like Randy Moss or Jerry Rice…if you're in Europe.” – Sharpe (27:20)
  • Both agree NFL’s global push is good for business and the players’ brands, but it won’t rival soccer's reach.

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Havoc of Mobb Deep: New Album "Infinite" & Hip-Hop Reflections (35:00–48:25)

On "Infinite" and Mobb Deep’s Legacy:

• Havoc discusses “Infinite,” the first Mobb Deep album since Prodigy's death:
  • “The Infinite album is the album that we putting out the first time since the passing of prodigy…me and Alchemist got together, put some music together, got some Prodigy verses, some unheard Prodigy verses…” – Havoc (35:21)
• Commitment to authenticity:
  • “You got to stay your authentic self…you can't alienate your core base…without your foundation, you got nothing.” – Havoc (36:10)

Balancing Nostalgia and Evolution:

• On toeing the line between innovation and staying true:
  • “It really is a fine line…because you gotta kind of change with the times…you still gotta keep your core values and principles intact.” – Havoc (37:04)

Origins & Inspirations:

• How Havoc met Prodigy at the High School of Art and Design in 1989.
• The choice of the name “Mobb Deep”:
  • “Diddy wanted to sign us…Our name was Poetical Prophets…he was like, y’all gotta change your name…we described how we rolled…when we went out, and yeah, y’all were deep…” – Havoc (38:01)

On Classic Albums & Hip-Hop’s Timelessness:

• What makes a classic:

  • “What makes an album a classic is…not even knowing that it's a classic…It stands the test of time…like The Chronic, some NWA projects, Wu-Tang Project…classic albums that we still play today and our kids is bumping to it…” – Havoc (40:28)

• Greatest all-eras hip-hop album pick:

  • “Off the Wall…Michael Jackson. I had to say 'Off the Wall'.” – Havoc (41:38)

Battle Rap & Hip-Hop as a Contact Sport:

• The energy of competition, referencing Pac’s “Hit ‘Em Up”:
  • “Hip hop is a contact sport. So we wanted all the smoke…We was like, yeah, come on, give us some more, right?” – Havoc (43:37)
• On penmanship:
  • “The better your penmanship, the harder you hit.” – Chad Johnson (47:18)
  • “That's right.” – Havoc (47:27)

Personal Journey:

• Havoc originally wanted to be an architect, but music took over his life.
• The competitive, creative spirit rooted in Queensbridge, inspired by legends like Marley Marl, Nas, and Roxanne Shanté.

Top 5 Havoc Productions:

• “Shook Ones”
• “Quiet Storm (Remix feat. Lil Kim)”
• “Why” (Jadakiss)
• “The Set” (Nas)
• “The Promise” (Foxy Brown)
  • “You’ve been working them heavyweight.” – Sharpe (45:23)

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NFL Culture: Coaching, Discipline, and Generational Change (48:28–57:50)

The Gannon Incident & Coaching Discipline:

• The Arizona Cardinals coach apologized for a sideline confrontation—Sharpe and Ocho reflect on how coaching and discipline have changed, especially regarding public perception.

  • “It's not who I am. And I want to be. It's not who I want to be.” (Gannon’s statement recapped at 48:28)
  • “When people's emotions are high, logic is low. Like you always say, you're a coach understanding that you're probably going to lose a game based on a bonehead play that a player does, you're not thinking about…Let me not react.” – Johnson (49:11)

• Sharpe and Ocho reminisce on old school coaching’s intensity.

  • “That was never a thing. Had you did a play like that when I was growing up, yeah, you wouldn't have made it to the sideline. Coach would have grabbed you by your facemask and pull your ass off the field.” – Sharpe (50:31)

Cultural Shifts, Parenting & Values:

• Long, vivid digression on how discipline, coaching, and family structure shaped them growing up.
• “When we go in the stove, your mama tell you, getting out the car, ‘Don't ask me for [anything], don't touch ish…’” – Sharpe (52:39)
• Grandparent stories: the candy with the wrapper, or without, the power of a stern look in church, and the “village” approach to raising kids.

Football Application:

• Differences in discipline on and off the field “back in the day” versus the present.
• “It takes a village. I'm telling you, man, those days back then, man, those '80s and them early '90s, man, them people ain't playin'.” – Johnson (55:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This is not the Jaguars of old. This is a new team…they would have folded like a lawn chair. But they continue to fight despite being down.” – Chad Johnson (10:19)
• “You got to stay your authentic self…You can't alienate your core base.” – Havoc (36:10)
• “Hip hop is a contact sport. So we wanted all the smoke, you heard?” – Havoc (43:37)
• “The better your penmanship, the harder you hit.” – Chad Johnson (47:18)
• “It takes a village. Them days back in the '80s and early '90s, them people ain't playin'.” – Chad Johnson (55:36)
• “Wherever you show out, you get woe out.” – Shannon Sharpe (54:40)

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Timestamps by Segment

• Jaguar vs. Chiefs Analysis: 03:02 – 26:44
• NFL Expansion, Globalization, Scheduling: 26:44 – 31:08
• Havoc Interview (Mobb Deep): 35:00 – 48:25
  • “Infinite” & Prodigy: 35:21
  • Name origins: 38:01
  • What makes a classic: 40:28
  • Classic albums/productions: 41:38, 44:37
• NFL Coaching & Cultural Change: 48:28 – 57:50

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Tone & Flow

Conversational, with plenty of humor and nostalgia. Sharpe and Ocho go deep on both X’s and O’s and personal memory, while Havoc's segment is reflective, authentic, and celebratory of hip-hop’s roots. The episode effortlessly blends analysis, pop culture, and lived experience, making it engaging even for listeners who missed the live show.

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A recommended episode for fans of football, hip-hop, and rich, real conversation.

Transcript

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[Diplo]

I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus. And we had like three hours.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

It was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay.

[Bobby Bones]

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[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, the Jags look really good. Obviously, you know, Spags love to bring pressure to cause confusion, to get the quarterback to rush his process obviously resulting in sacks. But listen, Trevor Lawrence said, not today, not on my watch. He killed him with it. He killed him with his legs. Obviously known for his arm and his other intangibles, but tonight he used his legs to win. Travis Hunter, they need to get him involved in offense much more. You saw him make a huge play that changed the trajectory of that offensive series which led to them scoring. Brian Thomas Jr. Played well. Travis Etienne, I know what he did running the ball, but picking up some of the blisses that he did to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be able to make some of the.

[Chad Johnson]

Throws that he made. Hey, plays like that will keep a running back on the field. All three downs he played Phenomenal football as well. Defensively, the Jag played well as well. So I mean, it was a really good game. I thought the turnovers would have hurt him because I tweeted it during the game. Every time they turned the ball over, the goddamn Chiefs capitalized on it, especially on the goal line where, where Trevor Lawrence tried to reach over, reach over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Nick Bolton punched it out.

[Chad Johnson]

He punched it out right away. Listen, defensively, that goddamn interception, that 99.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Interception by Lloyd flip the game.

[Chad Johnson]

That was nice. Yeah, that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, what you have to understand oo the court. He's following Mahomes eyes. Mahomes stared, he stared him down. You know, they tried, they tried to run a little arrow route, push up, but they ran double arrow. But because here come Juju first and then I think Travis was coming in behind him. So they tried to run double Aram. But the problem is, is that when you look the linebacker who's inside, he's going to naturally drift that way. And because, I mean, he hit him right in his bread basket. He breaks a tackle, he side steps Mahomes and now he's off to the races. The guy did a great job of just getting enough of Thorton to throw him off his rhythm because Thorton was coming.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but he would, he would have called.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah, for sure he would have called him. But I think you have to give the Jags a lot of credit being down at home, 14 points to that team and they were playing extremely well. But when they needed to make plays, they made plays at the end. Trevor Lawrence played well. You mentioned ATN. It was his blitz pickup. Yeah, he had 12 carries, 49 yards. He's averaging. What was that? Basically four yards of carry. But yeah, those. Bolton went and some of those other guys was coming on a blitz. Chanel Tranquil. He stoned him. I mean, he stoned him. Really good offensive line did a very good job of protecting. Look, they had a half a sack. Well, they had what, two sacks, three sacks. Look like he got sacked three times. He got three sack, got sacked three times. But I thought they did a great job considering the amount of pressure that Spags likes to bring. And you know, when he feels threatened, he's going to bring pressure. They knew that too. But you look at those throws at the end, man, he dropped that one in the bucket to Brian Thomas Jr. Right on the sideline. And then he found the, he found. What's his name? Ocho. What was it? Washington? Yeah, I think it was Washington that ended up catching the two, catching the outball But Trevor Lawrence played as well. This is the Trevor Lawrence that they said, okay, when you took him number one overall. This is what they expect him to look like. And he has moments like this, but then he'll come back and he'll stink up the joint. You like? Well, bro, I've seen what you can do. I know what you can do because I've seen it firsthand, what happened.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, the problem is what we saw tonight from Trevor Lawrence, what we saw tonight collectively for the Jaguars. This is not the Jaguars of old. This is a new team. What we saw tonight is a different type of Jaguars offense. I don't think they beating the Chiefs. I'm not sure. It's been a very long time since 09, you know, so normally a team like this, the old Jaguar team, they would have folded. They would have folded like lawn chair. But they continue to fight despite being down, and they. They fought their way back. I really impressed. Really impressed. If we can get this type of quarterback play from Trevor Lawrence consistently. Consistently, not just one night consistently, but they're going to be fine. They're going to be in the hunt. They're going to be in contention every single year if he can continue to play like this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Chad Johnson]

But minimize the goddamn turnover.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He had two. Two tonight. And they. And they, you know, and they were able to survive them. I mean, right there at the goal line, he fumbled that one and he threw a pick when they had a. They had a lead. So he has to. He has to be very, very careful with that. The Jags past four games have been decided by a total of 18 points. They're 3 and 1 in those games, winning three straight. The Jags are now 4 and 1 with two home games coming up. The Seahawks and the Rams. Both of those. Both of those teams have quarterbacks that can throw the football. Both of those teams have receivers that can go get the ball. You look at the Rams, you talk about Puka Nakua, you talk about Devonte Adams, they can go get it. We know Seattle, you see Sam Darnold with. With. With jsn. Man, they got guys that can go get the football. So would I be surprised if we see another cup? Both of those games end up something like this, Ocho. No, no, I would not. No, I absolutely would not. But the Jags were very, very impressive tonight. And do. Do y' all should stand up because y' all got to make it of a very good team. Liam Cohen has done an unbelievable job guiding Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence has always had the ability from the Moment he stepped foot on the field at Clemson, they say, this guy in three years, that from that point, when he comes out, he's going to be the number one pick in the draft. He led Clemson to a national championship as a true freshman. Not very many true freshmen can do that. I think the last time it happened probably was Jamal Holloway. And you had to go way back, way back. Oklahoma back 85, probably so for him to do that. And then who did they beat? They beat Alabama. And we know what Alabama represented. And so, and, and for him to do that, he was been. He was very, very impressive. But for whatever reason, the last couple of years, I don't know if it was injury now. I think the first, the first year, you know, Urban Meyer was his coach, and I don't think that was the best situation. He wasn't set up for success in that situation. But now Liam Cohen, and we saw what Cohen has done with Baker. Two years, I mean, two years with Baker and you see what Baker has become. Now. Baker is still on that. He's still rising even though Liam left. But we saw what that. What he become under Liam Cohen. So this offense is very quarterback friendly. They got receivers, they got guys that can go get the ball. I agree with you right now, until Travis refined the skill. Look, oh, they don't run him really on nothing but spots. They're running more spots in shallow cross. Hey, five yards, turn around, we throw you the ball, Make a guy miss takeoff, running the shallow cross. And when they throw the ball down the field, they're allowing him to use his athletic ability. Remember to play, what was it last week? A couple of weeks ago against San Francisco, they threw the dagger. He elevates, catches it. We saw him tonight in between two. That's what. So until he refines his route running ability, this is what you're going to have to do. Try to find ways to create, get him in space and let him use his athleticism until he understands how to consistently run the route tree. Because these guys that play db, they really good.

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did Ashes come together?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Diplo?

[Diplo]

Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he's just the guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do and I think he's the one guy that can carry it. And I came to his house, I had a show, I pulled up real quick, he was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours play the record for him. We kind of like got a scratch and then he handled it on his own on the road.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house and like, oh hey Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

[Bobby Bones]

You can listen to the full episode out now wherever you get your podcasts and big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade Hybrid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

Very good, very good. But I think Travis Hunter is one of those uncle. He has such raw talent. He's so good especially with his ball skills. Whether it's on the defensive side of the ball or whether it's on the offensive side of the ball. If you can just get the ball in the vicinity, if he can just get in the area so he can make a play on it, he coming down with that ball nine times out of 10.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And on the Chiefs I thought Patrick Mahomes look, he played well tonight. 29 of 41, 318, one touchdown, the very costly interception that led to a 90. The one thing that you don't want to have happen, you don't want to give up points on your possession. So in other words you don't want to have a scooping score. You don't want to have a pick six because now you, you know what I'm saying? That's not what you're built to do. Your defense not on the field, we understand off defensively they're going to score. Look, these teams are really good. So for you to shut a team out, it's probably not going to happen. But the last thing we want to do is give up points while our offense is on the field. Because. Because our defense didn't get a chance, didn't get a chance to stop them Patrick Mahomes letter with Russian, he was 6 of 60. Kareem Hunt had 7 for 49. I was able. Checo, he had 7 for 36, 22 for 158, three touchdowns. And you see the way they came out. They threw to set up the run. If you look at the first, the first series, the first couple of series, what they doing? Getting the ball out of his hands. Quick guys were making plays.

[Chad Johnson]

Quick, quick game. Quick game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But remember I said this. Yeah. When you don't have a rapport with your quarterback. Right. If Hollywood Brown had a rapport with his quarterback, they win this game. Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes hit him on the shoulder with the ball. He still don't know what that is. The safety is flat footed. He catch this ball. Ocho, he's coming out the backside. Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

We talk about at the end of the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah, but you see there are some guys. You were imaginative. You had up like damn. Ain't nobody here. Let me look for this ball. He is running the route that they call oblivious.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that is right to the situation. You got to understand the situation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Travis Kelce, you remember Travis Kelsey against Buffalo. He got wide. Patrick Mahomes put the ball on him. They got in field goal range.

[Chad Johnson]

Range Hollywood.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All you got to do. You see everybody's off. Ocho, the backside safety is flat footed. He catch this ball. That's Hollywood Brown. He's coming out the backside. That's a touchdown.

[Chad Johnson]

He coming out. Yeah, he could, he could go now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's go.

[Chad Johnson]

He can go if anything because the entire defense was back. He can come out the backside. If he doesn't even make it out the backside, you're still in field goal range. You get down, call a timeout. You get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you go, if you go back and look at this. If you tell me you don't think Hollywood Brown is Ocho because the safety, the backside safety, he's flat footed. That means Hollywood Brown is going to catch this ball with a running start.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he gone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't no, ain't no way. No safety that's flat footed is going to turn and beat Hollywood Brown to a point.

[Chad Johnson]

But you're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We talked about this the other. Remember that? I think it was the first game he tried to do that with a receiver. But he doesn't have the rapport. Now. That's Tyreek Hill. Ocho, we having a whole different conversation because they have a report. They have an understanding with each other.

[Chad Johnson]

Understanding, that's what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Mahomes is going to have to get with his guys and say, look, guys, I understand what's called. But if that guy's off, you look for the ball.

[Chad Johnson]

And obviously, it's all situational. You understand? Obviously, whatever route is called, normally, if we're in a regular game, then, yes, the route that's called, you run to your death. But it's just understanding the situation. If they're backed up, turn your head around right away. Get what you can with the ball. Get what you can. Understanding there's only a little bit of time on the clock. You don't even have time to get into your food.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I don't know. See, the thing is, is that I'm not so sure. I don't even call fair catch on that Ocho on the kickoff, because guess what happened, right? You're not gonna run it back, and there's a greater chance of you getting a holding call or blocking the back call than you running it back. So now instead of starting at the 25, guess where you're gonna start at? Inside your 20, right? And guess what? Guess what else you did. You ran time off the clock. Because, see, the ball don't. Don't start the clock. Don't start until you touch the ball. Now you run. You take six seconds off the clock now. Well, six, seven seconds off the clock. Now you get a block in the back. You took eight seconds off the clock, and you're 10, 15 yards back, further than what you would have been. Yeah, but those are things that you learn. See, those are things that we talk. I don't.

[Havoc]

I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, I can't speak to everybody else, but this is what we talked about in situations like this. Look, if the ball's kicked in the end zone, leave it in the end zone. We don't run and run in time. Punt return, fair catch. We don't want any time to run off the clock. We don't want to get an illegal block. Look, we got. They had three timeouts, Ocho. Three timeouts in 30 seconds. That's an eternity because the entire field is in play. I can throw the ball over the middle. It's in play. Call the timeout now. I just took seven seconds off the clock. I got 23. Guess what? Middle field is still in play. I take another second, seven seconds off the clock. Guess what? I still got a timeout. The field, the entirety of the field is still in play. Yeah, that's things that you got to talk about. Andy's got to do a better job. Special teams coach, you've got to Do a better job of helping guys understand. Remind them. Remind them. Hey, don't fair catch this. X, Y and Z. Hey, let's go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. It's all about. It's all about the coaches letting the players know certain situations defensively, offensively, special teams, if these certain situations come up, even if they might not come up, just so they're aware. And obviously coaches have to know in game what's possible. There's a chance that this might happen. There's a chance that this might happen. So be aware and understand. And this is what you want to do in this situation. Same with Hollywood Brown on that plate towards the end of the game. Understanding, hell, they. Damn, they went in pretty good. And get, get your head around fast. If you can go out the back door, go out the back door. If you can't get as much as you can get down, call time out real fast so we have our opportunity and a chance to run something else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you got to give the Jazz credit. They didn't hang their heads. They fell behind 14 nothing. They get a touchdown late. They get a touchdown late in the second. In the second quarter, make it a 147 ball game, and then they score 14 more points. So they scored 21 and answered points. And then we saw what happened at the end of the game. But give those guys credit because I thought Jacksonville played really well. They showed me something. They showed me something. Getting down to this team with this defense and that guy playing quarterback. They showed me something. I thought the receivers played well today. Thornton stepped up. Thornton has been playing extremely well. Xavier Worth again, again.

[Chad Johnson]

Thornton again with another big play. I wish he, I wish he could have kept his balance, too, on that deep ball and score and scored that. But yeah, they played really well both sides. This is. I, I don't know who the hell scheduled these goddamn games, but every time we got a Sunday night or Monday night or a Thursday night game, they have been phenomenal. Phenomenal game. If you, if you blink, you might miss something. That's how good the games have been. So, you know, so far through week.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right. But the thing I don't understand is next week we got a double header. We don't need two games on Monday night.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I mean, how much money do y' all want? But they're on the same network.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that doesn't. Hold on, hold on. Who we got?

[Havoc]

Who we got?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got the Bears and the Commanders and Buffalo playing somebody, the Falcons. Oh, we don't need two games on a Monday night.

[Chad Johnson]

And I I can tell you what game everybody's gonna be tuned into. Unless you're a Buffalo fan. Unless you're a Falcons fan. Everybody can be watching the Bears. Of course, everybody will be watching the Bears of command. So I'm not sure why the NFL is doing that. Obviously you, you understand what the bottom line is at the. On why there's a double header on a Monday. But listen, they trying to double dip.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

They trying to double dip. If you understand the business, they just trying to double dip.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That'd be like bringing. Putting friends and everybody love Raymond on the same networks. Why the hell you do that? Come on, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

You're right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, NFL. It's unnecessary. I get Sunday, I get Sunday, all these games. But on a month, on a single, on a singular night. Ocho, one game, we need what. But you guess what? Pretty soon they're gonna have two games on on Thursday. Watch. Yeah, watch.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Because you have to understand too, you got to look at it from a business, A business standpoint. You got to look at it from their, their standpoint. You know what their bottom line is? We trying to maximize as much as we can in the 17 game season, plus the playoffs, plus Super Bowl. So how can we double the profit by having two games?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, what they gonna do, they gonna add another playoff game in the next three to five years. They have another playoff game. So instead of seven, there'll be eight. And you know that 18th game coming. And what they're trying to do also is trying to have everybody play one game overseas. Now, good luck getting the Cowboys to give up a home game. Now everybody else going to be more than willing to give up a home game. Convince Jerry to give up one of his home games.

[Chad Johnson]

It ain't happening. It ain't happening. Because if you give up a home game, that's taking away the money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I get, I get Jacksonville, I get Cleveland, I get some of these teams. But.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let everybody, Let everybody. You know, we tried to. We try to grow. I. I don't know if football, American football, will ever be what soccer is or ever be what basketball is. Because nobody grows up wanting to be like Randy Moss or wanting to be like Jerry Rice or Patrick Mahomes if you in sl, if you in Europe, if you in.

[Chad Johnson]

But listen, hey, I understand what you're saying. Even we will never. I don't think any sport will ever touch that of soccer, that of the beautiful game. Obviously, basketball is another sport that many of them choose to play or want to be like certain individuals. But the Game of football, as great as it is, continuing to grow globally on the other side of the world is a good thing for us. It's a good thing forward, because obviously, not only do we get to. To. To expand from an economic standpoint, it's good for. For other players, their brand and being able to do things, not just here in the States, but being able to do things outside the States as well. So, in a sense, long term, it's a great thing. It's a great thing. But we would. They will never, ever be able to be what be with soccer is. That's because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Europeans, they play it. They can play soccer. I can become pro. What's the likelihood? Africa, in the continent of Africa, you have Nigeria, you have teams. They can play football. Yeah. How many guys from Europe go like, you know what? Yeah, that football thing. I want to be Patrick Mahomes. I'm going to be Tom Brady.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, it'd be very difficult. You have to understand, too, everybody in Europe, everybody plays.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

The chances of you playing at the highest level, the epl, Serie La Liga, I mean, French League, only so many. It's only so many spots, and everybody does it. So, like, just think about this. I know you don't watch soccer much, but when you hear the conversations of the comparison between Cristiano and Messi, I don't think people understand how brilliant and how good these dudes are, because everybody played this sport. And the comparison of who the best is of a certain era or a certain generation, like, that's the cream of the crop. And then there's everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're gonna be the place you come to for the World Cup. Oh, yeah. But you got to think about OO in soccer. Messi left home. You think about Ronaldo left home. Hobland probably left home. Lewandowski probably left home. So it's a difference. But, man, this game tonight, this game tonight, we. We've been getting some very, very good games thus far. I know it's early Ocho. It's. It's like week eight, week nine. They'd be like, damn, y' all couldn't. Y' all couldn't flex up out of this one. I. I don't. I don't think they can flex. I think they can only. I think Sunday night is the game, but I think they start. They're starting to allow them to flex out earlier because, you know, ain't nobody trying. Look, I understand that they might be this, it might be that, but ain't nobody trying in week 10 trying to see a two team. A two win team on no Sunday night, right? Or no Monday night or no Thursday. Well, Thursday you stuck because every. Everybody has to. Everybody has to play, you know, at least one Thursday night game.

[Chad Johnson]

Right? Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Damn, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Out of Monday night. Sunday night. Okay. Yeah. Oh, they play. Oh, yeah. And that's the thing. They were like, hey, Fox and CBS be like, man, we gotta go. Oh, boy, we got a barn burner. And we said, no, let me get that one.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, speaking of speaking of bars. Ash, Ash, who is the London game this Sunday?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Broncos.

[Chad Johnson]

Who they? Who they playing? Yes. Right? Yeah, I'd be at that game. I'd be at the game. Matter of fact, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna go down on the field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not gonna change.

[Colin Coward]

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[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out. So how did Ashes come together, Diplo?

[Diplo]

Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he's just a guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell. And I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do. And I think he's the one guy that could carry it. And I came to his house, I had a show. I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus. And we had like three hours play the record for him. We kind of like got a scratch and then he handled it on his own on the road.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to you show. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

[Bobby Bones]

You can listen to the full episode out now, wherever you get your podcast. And big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade hybrid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah, come on.

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[Chad Johnson]

Can I tell you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who gonna win, Bronco?

[Chad Johnson]

The Jets.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You hoping.

[Chad Johnson]

The Jets.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, we're gonna get back to that. We got a very special guest joining us. One half of the Mob Deep crew. Here he is with his title album, Infinite Havoc. What's up bro? What up? What up?

[Havoc]

What's good, Shannon?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Bag. So Infinite. Tell us about the album. What can we expect from this?

[Havoc]

The Infinite album is the album that we putting out the first time since the passing of prodigy. Since 20, you know, 2017.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Havoc]

Yeah, he passed away in 2017. So this is the first project that Malthy was putting out since his passing. And me and Alchemist got together, put some music together, Got some prodigy verses, some unheard prodigy verses.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow.

[Havoc]

Just put it, put. Put it, you know, put it, put it together.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, that's dope. Hey. One of the things I want to talk to you about, obviously, Mobb Deep, I've been. Been huge fan for a very long time. When you think about the music industry and how the sound of music changes every 10 years, have. Have you thought about. When you. When it comes to making music and coming out in this era with the sound being different, do you change anything or do you stay your authentic self based on what your true fans want to hear?

[Havoc]

Nah, you got to stay your authentic self because you can't alienate your. Your core base. You know what I'm saying? You can't elevate your foundation, man. You know? I mean, without your foundation, you got nothing. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Johnson]

That.

[Havoc]

That it's that quick money. If you try to, you know, try to be current and try to be, you know, saying try to be cool, that's just the quick money. But then you alienate your fan base. And Mob D was never one to alienate their fan base. We just. We stick with our supporters. You feel me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. But, you know, havoc is a very fine line because when you do something, it's like, man, this is the same old same old, same old, same old. You try to give them something new. Man, I want to hear the old stuff. So how do you. How do you balance walk this tightrope, this high wire that says, okay, I'm gonna stay true to who we are, but I'm gonna add a little flavor. So you let you know that we. We got that we can go other places and still be true to who we are.

[Havoc]

That's true. It really is a fine line. And it's a fine line in anything that you do, whether it's music, you know, saying sports, this, that, and the third, you. You know what I mean? Because you gotta kind of do change with the times. You understand what I'm saying? You know, you gotta stay up to speed. You gotta stay up with technology. You know what I mean? But you still gotta keep your core values and principles intact. Right when you creating what you creating. So it is. It's a tough balancing act. And not a lot of artists could. Could toe that line. Is really. It makes or breaks artists to be at the end of the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. How did you. How did you and Prodigy meet?

[Havoc]

We met in high school. We met in high school? Yeah. Back in 1989. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The High School of Art and Design.

[Havoc]

Back in New York.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Havoc]

And, yeah, we. We hit it off, man. We was like instant friends.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How did you. I want to know how you came up with the name Mobb Deep.

[Havoc]

All right, so, you know. You know, Diddy wanted to sign us back in the days. You know what I mean? He wanted to sign.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Havoc]

And. And he was like, yo, man, our name was poetical Prophets back in the days. And then he was like, y' all would have signed y', all, man, but y' all gotta change your name. So we went back to the drawing board and we described. We came up with a name that described how we rolled. You know what I mean? When we went out and, yeah, y' all were deep. We was deep. And it was a marble bus, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I love that. Yeah.

[Havoc]

You know what I mean? And the name. The name stuck. The name stuck from the Queensbridge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, hey, Nas, man, y' all got some heavy hitters.

[Chad Johnson]

I see.

[Havoc]

I see you in qb. I saw you. I was like, yo, I was out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There with Jungle, Me and Steve style. I was out there. I was like, okay. And everybody came out like, man, Unc out here in the bridge. In the bridge. I said, okay, yeah, I'll get the bridge.

[Havoc]

Yo, you. You, Kevin, you kept it a buck with that one. You kept it a stack. I was like. You was. You was right there in the thick of it all, man. Word.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Ahab. Most of the time, us as fans, music fans, we only get to see the finished product. We don't. I don't think fans really understand the work that goes in when it comes to making an album. You know, the hour, the countless hours, the writing, the. The brain freeze you get when it comes to the finished product that you do have. Have. Now in Infinite. How long did it take for you to, for one, come up with the vision and what you want to do and actually completing the album? How long did that normal.

[Havoc]

I mean, you know me. They have to pull me away from a project to make me stop, because I. I'll. I'll work forever. You know what I'm saying? I'm like a perfectionist. They have to stop me. They'd be like, chill, have. Chill, have. It's done, right? But with this project, you know, with Prodigy in mind, it's like, I knew that we had a job to do and we had to get it done. You know what I mean? We had unfinished business. So this project, I would say it took us about a good little year to get everything right and, you know, do all the songs, pick the best songs and just, you know, and then. And come with a complete project. So it took about. It took about a year, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Infamous is Guarded as regarded as one of the best all time albums. What do you think is some of the things that make an album a classic and make it be able to stand the test of time?

[Havoc]

You know, what makes an album a classic is to me, in my mind is not even knowing that it's a classic. You know what I mean? You know, you don't even realize it's a classic. It's just something that it stands the test of time. You understand what I'm saying? It could be good. It's good. In the first decade it was, it was, it came out the second, the next decade is still popping and then the third decade, we playing it like it's brand new. We all know albums like that, like the Chronic, you know what I'm saying? Some NWA projects, you know, Wu Tang Project, you know, I'm saying classic albums that we still play today and our kids is bumping to it and they wasn't even born at the time. You feel me? Yeah, that's a classic for you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, when it's based on some of the classes that you just named, who would be outside of yourself, your group in general, outside of yourself, what would you say is the most classic hip hop album that was, it was classic in the 80s or whether it was the 90s, whether it's the 2000s, that you could put it on in any era, any generation, and it resonates with everybody, man.

[Havoc]

I have to say off the wall, you know what I'm saying? You know, off the Wall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Michael Jackson, off the wall.

[Havoc]

Yeah, I had to say off the wall.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, that's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For real talk if you just listen. Not. Not commercial, because we know what Thriller was, but I believe off the Wall is Michael Jackson's best work.

[Havoc]

Exactly. Before it got crazy, you know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like didn't have the commercial success, it didn't have the commercial senses. Or bad. It didn't have the commercial senses. Maybe Invincible, right? But boy, y' all better go back and listen off the wall.

[Havoc]

Because that, that, that was his foundation, right? Like, that was his foundation. And then, you know, came with Thriller, we was like, all right, that's dope. But that was over.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, have. Being that you from Queen Bridge, I know you got to be a huge fan of battle all day long.

[Havoc]

All day long.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[Havoc]

All day.

[Chad Johnson]

Most definitely. Most definitely. I've been. I've been a huge fan of battle rap, my man, for now maybe about eight, nine years. So I'm talking about. I didn't. Went back and did my homework when Tay and Clips and DNA to my way back when they first started. And I've caught up. I've caught up to now to where I'm the hugest, hugest battle, battle rap fan. Who would you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who would you.

[Chad Johnson]

Who would be your favorite battle rapper if you had to take one?

[Havoc]

Oh, man, there's so many. But, you know, Polo the Dawn is one of them that I like. You know what I mean? I really. I really liked him. And when you dealing with that battle rap and if you not acclimated to it or you. You want to learn about it, you could go down a rabbit hole. For real. You know what I mean?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Havoc]

For real?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You know, look, in the 90s, it started. Look, it started back in the 80s with the beefing, and then it came to the 90s when you heard Hit him up and you heard Tupac mention y'.

[Havoc]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What did you think? You like? Man, we got to get this dude, man. I got. We got to come out with something. We got to send some shots back, man. Damn.

[Havoc]

Hey, listen, listen. Hip hop is a contact sport. So we wanted all the smoke. We wanted all the smoke, you heard. We was like, yeah, yeah, come on, give us. Give us some more, right? And look, look, when he did that, you know, I. I looked at Tupac. He was like, mad famous. He had the movie juice. You understand what I'm saying? So. And you know, Tupac was pretty popular, so we just coming up in the game trying to make a name for ourselves, so he. He helped us make a name for ourselves. So, yeah, you know, I wasn't. You know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't gonna lie to you. Have. I didn't know. I was like, well, damn. He mentioned. I said, well, let me go see who we talking about.

[Havoc]

Exactly as.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's.

[Havoc]

That's my point exactly. You know what I mean? And I think if he was alive today, we probably would have been mad cool by now. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it's all good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Give me some. What do you think of the top? You look, you're a writer, producer. You mc. What is what. Give me your top five tracks you think you've produced.

[Havoc]

Drum roll. My top five tracks that I produce, definitely gotta say, shook ones. That's. That's you know, without that song, where would I be? Quiet Storm, you know what I'm saying? Remix featuring Little Kim Crazy Even, you know, one of her best songs that I. That I did even for her. Why that I produced a Jadakiss, you know, I'm saying that's number. Word, word, word. Why about Jada Kiss, I would have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To say.

[Havoc]

Let me see. Oh, a joint that I did for Nas called the. The Set, that's four and one called the Promise that I did for Foxy Brown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you've been working them heavyweight.

[Chad Johnson]

Where's Foxy at? Where Foxy at?

[Havoc]

Yeah, she chilling. She chilling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She.

[Havoc]

She gonna come back out soon. You know, we be messaging and stuff like that. You know? You know what I mean? But that's my girl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have. Did you all. Hey, man, did you all. Did you always want to be in this space? Did you always want to be an emcee? Did you always want to write? Did you always want to produce? Did you always want to rap? Or was there something else that you wanted to do? But you, like, you know what, at that point in time, you, like, hip hop was calling you.

[Havoc]

I mean, I wanted to be an architect. So, you know, I went to. I went to the School of Art and Design, High school, You know what I mean? I wanted to be an architect. I wanted to build things, buildings. But then music just kind of like took over my life when I got into high school, you know what I mean? And I come from a place, Queensbridge, where we got Marley Maul, St. Nas, MC Shand, Roxanne, Shantae. So it was like this tradition out there in hip hop, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Roxanne, Roxanne.

[Havoc]

Word. So, you know, I. I got that bug early, the music bug early. And, you know, luckily I was successful at it because, you know, I definitely wanted to be an architect first before music, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, you know, the queen, Rich, y' all been battling Molly, Molly and Boogie down with a. With a KRS one for a minute. It all started. It all started with y'.

[Havoc]

All. I mean, it really did. And when you. And when you front row to a battle like that, it puts the fire in your belly. You feel me? It put that fire in there where you just like, I could do this. You know what I'm saying? Like, who. Who this man think he is coming through, trying to diss my hood, you feel me? But I love. I love Karen's. What. You know what I mean? And that's what. That's what I'm trying to tell you hip hop a contact sport, Y' all think? Yeah, Y' all think you're doing it in football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Havoc]

We out here going crazy in hip hop, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, the funny thing when you think about hip hop, too, the way you describe it, it being a contact sport, the better your penmanship, the harder you hit.

[Havoc]

That's right.

[Chad Johnson]

And that's all it come down to. The better the pin. Man. I don't know, man. I'm a huge, huge, huge, huge fan of hip hop, but I can't rap. I can't rap. I can talk shit, but I can't rap. And it's always been a joy of mine to see people like yourself, KRS1, and some of the other artists that I grew up watching still doing that thing today. And I just want to say, brother, I salute you. I salute you. I got to meet you. Matter of fact, you in New York right now.

[Havoc]

Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed, bruh.

[Chad Johnson]

I come to New York tomorrow.

[Havoc]

Pull up, pull up.

[Chad Johnson]

I got. I gotta pull it up.

[Havoc]

Pull up, man. It'll be an honor, you know what I mean? And I thank y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Havoc]

Let me on for real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We appreciate you coming on one half of Mob Deep Havoc album titled Infinite with tracks from the late Prodigy. Bro. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. Continue success. We'll see you down the road.

[Havoc]

Thank you, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Peace.

[Havoc]

Peace and love.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. Arizona Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon said he apologized to the team for the sideline confrontation with amari D. Macario McCardo. Excuse me. During which Gannon appeared to strike the third year running back. Gannon said, I woke up this morning and I didn't feel great about it, honestly. So in the team meeting, I addressed it, I apologized to Amari, I apologize to the team, and I just told them I kind of let the moment of what happened get the better of me. Obviously, I try to be emotional state, emotionally stable and calm because my job is to solve problems during the game and kind of lead the charge on that. So it's really not who I am. And I want to be. It's not who I want to be.

[Chad Johnson]

It's not. It's really not about. That's not who I really am. When people's emotions are high, logic is low. Like you always say, you're a coach understanding that you're probably going to lose a game based on a bonehead play that a player does, you're not thinking about. Okay, I know he did that, but let me not react. No, let me not react. Unk. Players get coaches fired. Yes, for situations like you just saw.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right.

[Chad Johnson]

I think he is in his. Well, right to be able to react how he sees fit. Now, I know public opinion. You can't do that in this day and age, in this era, it's okay. Sometimes you should be able to chastise a player regardless of whether he makes millions of dollars or not. There are certain things you should not do in a game. It's a game of inches. It's a game of inches. Every play matters. That play mattered because of that play. In that mistake, you lost the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go put the game out of reach, you might go up 28 to 6.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, but listen, I. I understand him. He has to apologize. Obviously, the era I grew up in, that's the way. That's the way they handle. Oh, for sure that's the way they handled us. It's not. It's. It's frowned upon today, in today's game, regardless of what level of football you play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you never made it to the side. Had that happened. That was never a thing. I don't remember that ever happened. Had you, had you did a play like that when I was growing up, yeah, you wouldn't have made it to the sideline. Cole would have grabbed you by your face mask and pull your ass off the field, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, and I ask you this every time. Hey, Chat, Let me know, Chad, if you ever saw this. I think about Miami, I think about Liberty City, the inner city where I grew up, the way the high schools, the optimist clubs, and the way the coaches coach. And I think one of the reasons why we are all so great and so many of us come out of our area and flourish at the highest level, despite circumstance, despite obstacles. It's because of us becoming numb to the way we're. The way we're coached, as hard as it is, and being used to the cursing and the hollering, especially in precious situations. We're already built for it. We're already built for it. The documentary I asked you about a while ago called the Year of the Bull, did you never did see the Year of the Bull, huh? It's a documentary on Miami, Northwestern, the way the coaches were back then and the way they coach some of those teams. Unbelievable, Chad. I don't know if any of you saw the Year the Bull, the documentary about Miami, Northwestern, where Teddy Bridgewater went, a lot of NFL players that are in the league now, and former NFL players. It's a reason why they're so great. It's a reason because they're not, baby. They're not. They're not pampered when it comes to playing the position. I mean, the sport of football. And at times, it's needed because you, you, you. You look at some of the mistakes that. That we make today. Parents, you can't score your kids, you can't beat your kids the way you used to. It's frowned upon, some of the mistakes in kids and being out of control back then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it was a village.

[Chad Johnson]

It did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was.

[Chad Johnson]

You wasn't getting away with some of that stuff today. Man, I'm in the grocery store. I'm. I'm hearing kids cussing at their mama like, what.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. I don't want.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't want to do it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

When we go, we going in the stove. Your mama tell you, getting out the car, we going to the stove.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't ask me for don't touch ish.

[Chad Johnson]

And don't touch nothing. And when you go in the stove, you're gonna do two things. You're not gonna touch nothing, and you ain't gonna ask him for nothing. Now, what you might do, you might sneak. Sneak something in the buggy and hope she pay for it when she pull everything out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you get to the register, man, not Mayor Porter. Mayor Porter. Go say, take that ish back where you got it from. It did it.

[Chad Johnson]

Then go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hit you upside your head and say, I told you not to put nothing in my buggy. Now, my grandma Reed, that was a whole different story. See, like grandparents Ocho, we stayed with Mary and Barney. So my other grandparents, my dad, mom and father, they didn't see us that much. So what they gonna do? Give us whatever we want. Soon as we hit the door, Popeye drop us off. Granddaddy William and Grandma Charlie, we call it Charlie. Here go them boys. Oh, I got my little bag. Soon as I hit the door. Grandma Charlie, can we go to the grocery store? All right. William. Granny William, load the cob. Hot dogs, hot. Hot dog buns, honey buns, potato chip soda. Because all she drank was tab soda. I don't know if anybody remember old enough to remember Tab in that pink can. That ish was nasty. But, boy, man, if she said, well, we gonna go to the store later.

[Havoc]

Here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here's a dollar for you and Spanky. Give me a dollar. Yeah, we hit that door, there's a store probably like 50, about 50 yards. Yeah, but, man, Porter, we go on Saturday because really, that's the only time we went shopping. Saturday maybe. Maybe like a Friday afternoon. Papa would Take us. We go pick up Granny. She had got paid. She gonna go cash a check, and then we'll go. But we already know. Why don't you put. What?

[Chad Johnson]

Please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you're right, Ocho. Like, there was a. I don't know. And maybe. Maybe because it was always that way, Ocho, but we didn't have the Internet. Everything wasn't filmed. So maybe kids were just as disrespectful then as they are now. It's hard for me to believe that, but. Yeah, I just know from what I saw. But them parents ain't play that. Their parents didn't play that. Now, every once in a while, you might see, you know, the white people, they. They were a little bit more. Okay, okay, Mom, I'm not gonna do it. But the black kids. Boy, please. Bad. They play that well. Mary Porter say, wherever you show out, you get woe out. Grocery store, it didn't matter. Walking on the street, it didn't matter.

[Chad Johnson]

It didn't know. You're gonna get it. You're gonna get it right now. Hold on, hold on. I'm thinking. I'm slick. You know, when. When it's a senior quiet time of my grandma in church and she see me acting up in the pew, she ain't got to do nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at you.

[Chad Johnson]

Just. Just stare at. And you already know, man. Come on, man. The.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The.

[Chad Johnson]

The. The saying, it takes a village. I'm telling you, man, them days back then, man, them 80s and them early 90s, man, them people ain't playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

N. People ain't play.

[Chad Johnson]

You f. Act up. Well, don't make me call your grandma.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My grandma wasn't veno. My grandma be. My grandma be. I start crying, I already know. She said she gonna cut my tail. I already know what she said, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, listen, hold on. My grandma used to come on my arm and pinch. She had pinched my arm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Twist it.

[Chad Johnson]

Twist. And then, you know, you so young, once you start crying, you're crying out loud. She reached right in that purse. She gave me either that butterscotch candy or peppermint to get me to get quiet. Oh, boy. Them some good days, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Great. Oh, but see, we. We get the butterscotch that's already out the wrap. We got lint. Got everything or got a penny stuck to it. Can we get some candy with the wrap on? Granny, did you give you that butterscotch, that peppermint and that big guy got lint on it. It got little cotton fuzzy. It got a penny or a dime stuck to it. I was like, get here. Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all had. Y' all had the candy with the strawberry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what I'm talking about, man. Listen, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But. But. But to get back on this football thing, it's different. And I get it sometimes. What I mean, that was some. Some coaches that was abusive, what they did. Obviously, you can't coach like that. But that's why. That's why it would be hard for me to coach Ocho. Because you know better. You've seen it. You just saw last week Mitchell do it, and he cost himself a 76 yard touchdown. So they lost the game, I think, too, didn't it? Didn't they lose to the Rams, The Colts? Didn't the Colts lose that game when Mitchell bobbled it?

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think they did.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they lost to the Rams, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you've seen it happen, but yet you still doing it.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, like the hundred meters. Anybody that breaks in the open from now on, cross through the line. You should pretend like you're running the 100. Cause you're not gonna slow it before you cross that line. Same thing in football. Cross that line.

[Bobby Bones]

Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bones show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio music festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. How did Ashes come together, Diplo?

[Diplo]

I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus. And we had like three hours.

[Bailey Zimmerman]

It was really cool. He literally just like randomly showed up to my house and I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay, you can.

[Bobby Bones]

Listen to the full episode out now, wherever you get your podcasts. And big shout out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around festival weekend in the all new Palisade hybrid.

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