Nightcap Hour 1: Tyreek Hill CUT by the DOLPHINS + Aaron Rodgers LIKELY to RETURN to Steelers + NFL RANKS Super Bowl WINDOWS + Jalen Hurts MOST HATED PLAYER in NFL

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Nightcap Hour 1: Tyreek Hill CUT by the DOLPHINS + Aaron Rodgers LIKELY to RETURN to Steelers + NFL RANKS Super Bowl WINDOWS + Jalen Hurts MOST HATED PLAYER in NFL

Date: February 17, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Chad Ochocinco Johnson and guest analyst)
Duration Covered: ~05:00–59:58

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Overview

This episode is a fast-paced roundtable dissecting several major NFL storylines, led by Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ocho Cinco" Johnson. The central themes include Tyreek Hill’s surprise release from the Miami Dolphins, speculation on Aaron Rodgers returning to the Steelers, a debate on teams with the biggest upcoming Super Bowl windows, and an exploration into why Jalen Hurts is now the league’s “most hated” player. As always, the tone is energetic and candid with playful banter between co-hosts and real locker-room insights.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tyreek Hill Released by the Dolphins: What Comes Next?

[05:00–24:56]

• Announcement and Initial Reaction

  • Shannon Sharpe brings the headline: Tyreek Hill (turning 32 soon) is cut by the Dolphins, freeing up $23M in cap space but leaving $28.2M in dead money.
  • Teams rumored as landing spots: Chiefs, Bills, Chargers.

• Ocho Cinco’s Analysis

  • Ocho thinks Miami moved on too quickly:

    "They could have restructured and found a way to get that salary lower with him coming off the injury...to let a player of his magnitude go, which is the staple of your offense...I don't think they should have let him go." (05:15)

  • Even not 100%, Tyreek remains faster than 98% of receivers; any team would be lucky to have him.

• Sharpe on Locker Room Dynamics and Hill’s Injury

  • References rumors that Hill “quit” in a crucial game, losing trust in Miami’s locker room:

    "Players will forgive a lot, but you can't leave them out to dry. You can't quit on them. Quitting is the worst thing you can do in a team game." (06:51)

  • Points to Tyreek losing his captaincy:

    "There's a reason they didn't give him the C again... because nobody's gonna let [someone who quit] be captain." (08:30)

• Debate: Is Hill a Hall of Famer?

  • Ocho:

    "If Tyreek Hill was to never play another down in the NFL, he is a Hall of Famer. He is a first ballot hall of Famer." (11:12)

  • Sharpe is skeptical about first-ballot, given the politics and off-field scrutiny, but lauds Hill’s growth from gadget guy to preeminent WR.

• Where Should Hill Go Next?

  • Consensus: Tyreek should not rush his decision; recover fully and choose the best fit. Chiefs are a fit because of familiarity; Bills and Chargers uncertain due to locker room questions stemming from the quit rumor.

• Contract and Value Talk:

  • Ocho:

    "You have to set aside what a guy once was and actually pay him and value him on what you believe he'll be." (22:06)

  • Sharpe foresees incentive-heavy deals on the market.

• Miami’s Trade History Reflected On:

  • Miami mortgaged a lot for Hill; Ocho says it was “worth it,” but admits Miami’s championship hopes depended on more than a WR.

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2. Aaron Rodgers: Steel Curtain Return?

[26:18–36:18]

• Speculation Reported

  • Sharpe reports Jeremy Fowler’s news: Rodgers is “likely” to return to the Steelers under coach Mike McCarthy, who worked with him in Green Bay.

• Quarterback Value and Age

  • Ocho:

    "Will you rely on a 42, 43 year old quarterback? ...You don't have a choice. Just to even compete...it would be 42, 43 old Aaron Rodgers." (27:41)

  • Sharpe:

    "A free agent QB is not coming to be a bridge, he wants to start. So you need to draft and develop." (29:04)

• Rapid NFL Impatience and Young QBs

  • Ocho: Owners don’t allow time for development:

    "They're not allowing quarterback[s] to develop. There's so much pressure on them...when they don't have instant success." (29:57)

  • Sharpe:

    “People see first or second-year QBs succeed and think, ‘Why can't mine?’...They don't see what happens behind the scenes.” (31:12)

  • NFL salary inflation adds pressure, quick decisions.

• Team Build Comments

  • Both agree that the best young QBs have immediate support:
    • “You gotta put great pieces around a quarterback. Very few can elevate everyone as a rookie.”

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3. Ranking the NFL’s Super Bowl Windows

[37:00–45:47]

• NFL.com’s List:

  1. Seahawks
  2. Rams
  3. Patriots
  4. Eagles
  5. Broncos
  6. Bears
  7. Jaguars

• Debate: Defense the Deciding Factor?

  • Ocho:

    “I'm not even gonna base it on the quarterbacks. I'm gonna go with that list based on the defenses they have." (37:41)

  • Sharpe:

    "But all of them do have quarterbacks...stability at their most important position." (42:45)

• Notable Omissions & Cap Issues

  • Bills (defensive issues, over the cap), Ravens (Lamar a big cap hit, defense needs reboot)
  • Texans not listed, but Sharpe sees huge upcoming contract issues (with Stroud and Will Anderson Jr.)

• Quick Team-Building Notes

  • Seahawks: Can't pay both DBs (Spoon/Woolen); have to make choices
  • Rams, Bears, Jags: All recent high QB picks, giving them extended windows

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4. Why is Jalen Hurts the Most Hated Player in the NFL?

[46:01–56:57]

• Vegas Insider "Hate Score"

  • Hurts leads with a score of 10—highest in the league.
  • Sharpe brings up the popular dislike; Ocho responds that Hurts wins, but not how fans want:

    "He wins with doing the least at his...position. But it works for them." (46:25)

• Reasons for Dislike

  • Not “aesthetically pleasing”—doesn’t put up gaudy numbers, his style is effective but not flashy.
  • Quiet, businesslike demeanor in interviews (Sharpe: “We don’t get a chance to see his personality...People want to see personality. Some QBs didn’t show it until retirement.” (48:47))
  • Teammates may find him distant—rumors some in locker room “don’t like” Hurts (Shady McCoy has said this).
  • Ocho: "You’re not there to be liked. Just respect me—we don’t have to hang out." (51:10)
  • Some of the hate attributed to social media echo chambers, nitpicking, and the “tush push” play.

• QB Leadership Anecdotes

  • Sharpe:

    “Sometimes as a quarterback...the last thing you want is for the team to think you think you’re better than them. Sometimes you just gotta let your hair down.” (52:24)

  • Ocho supports keeping business and personal separate.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Tyreek Hill’s Legacy

  "If Tyreek Hill was to never play another down in the NFL, he is a Hall of Famer."
  —Co-host (Ocho Cinco), (11:12)

• On Player Trust and Leadership

  "Quitting is the worst thing that you can do...in a team game. Because if you’re by yourself, you’re a golfer or a tennis player, who cares?...But as a team, you can’t quit."
  —Chad Johnson, (08:30)

• On QB Development in Modern NFL

  "NFL is very impatient...The salaries are getting astronomical and I have to make a decision within three years: am I going to give this guy $300 million?"
  —Shannon Sharpe, (31:12)

• On Jalen Hurts' Reputation

  "Jalen Hurts wins all the time...but people don’t like the way he does things. It’s not pretty. But he wins."
  —Co-host/Analyst (Ocho Cinco), (46:25)

• On Locker Room Relationships

  "We are supposed to have one goal in mind when we walk in this building. That’s to win a championship together. That doesn’t entail me having to like you."
  —Co-host/Analyst (Ocho Cinco), (51:20)

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Important Timestamps

• 05:00 — Tyreek Hill cut, landing spot debate begins
• 06:51 — Locker room trust/loss of captaincy for Hill
• 11:12 — Is Tyreek a Hall of Famer? (debate)
• 26:18 — Aaron Rodgers-Steelers return rumor
• 29:57 — The problem with rushing young QBs
• 37:00 — NFL.com Super Bowl window rankings introduced
• 46:01 — Jalen Hurts crowned most hated player
• 51:32 — Debating importance of being liked vs. respected in NFL locker rooms

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Tone & Dynamic

• Lively, honest, sometimes tongue-in-cheek (“Just lie...that’s why…people 80, 80 plus years old are in office for 40 years.” — Sharpe, [25:23])
• Ocho brings player’s locker-room perspective, Sharpe the “unc” wisdom and wider league context.
• Both hosts are unafraid to poke fun at each other and themselves, bringing authenticity and humor.

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Summary Takeaways

• Tyreek Hill’s release is a seismic NFL event; the co-hosts agree his next team will likely hinge on locker room fit, scheme, and his health/recovery. Both believe Miami acted hastily.
• Rodgers is in line to return to the Steelers due to lack of clear QB alternatives, but Ocho warns against trusting the idea that an aging star can guarantee contention.
• The teams with the best Super Bowl windows share one thing: stability at quarterback and strong defenses—cap health and strategic contract extensions are looming challenges.
• Jalen Hurts wins ugly, speaks minimally, and that—along with a perceived lack of charisma—is why he sits atop the “most hated” list, but the hosts argue respect > popularity for real football leadership.

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[Co-host/Analyst]

I. I think Tyreek's nest move has to be his best move. Obviously, coming off of injury, going to a team where he's going to be utilized in the correct way. I think the Bills would be a nice place for him, obviously. I mean, you have Shakur, who was. Who was somewhat in that same position and being in the slot, but Tyreek being able to play on the outside. I like the Chiefs. The Chiefs also being able to use them, you know, the correct way. And it. It all. It all comes down to how healthy is he going to be when he's recovered, you know, even. Even once he goes to rehab. Even a Tyreek Hill that's not as fast as he once was is probably still faster than everybody else. I think that's all what it's going to come down to. I think the Dolphins might have moved on a little too fast. Honestly, just. Just in. In my own personal opinion, they could have restructured and found a way to get that. To get that. That salary a little bit lower with him coming off the injury. But to let a player of his magnitude go, which is the staple of your offense, obviously having a Chan. Having. Having God having waddle as well, I don't think they should have let him go. That. That's just my personal opinion. Obviously, being 32 and coming off injury, you know how.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You know how this serious, serious injury. Yes. That ain't just no acl. He tore a lot of ligaments and he broke his tibia.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, I. I understand. But. But rehab, the resources, the access to some of the. Some of the methods, he has to get himself back to where he once was. I think that the chances of him coming back and being the Tyreek of old is possible. Even if he's not the same Tyreek of old, it will still be better than 98% of the receivers in the NFL if he's used correctly.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, the writing was on the roll. I'm surprised they didn't move on the off season after what had transpired the last game. We talked about this. The one thing you can't do as a player, players will forgive a lot, but you can't leave them out to dry. You can't quit them. When things are Go. When things are going bad, that's when your best players that's when I need Ocho to show up and be his best. I understand Ocho. We're not going to the playoffs. I understand Ocho. You're not going to get your customary 90 catches, 1300 yards. But don't quit on me. Don't be a guy that when things are going good, they go great and when they go bad, they go terribly, horribly wrong.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And so I thought they would move on in the off season, but because I knew he would never have the same trust in that locker room that he once had.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Go ahead. Oo, can I, can I say something? I can tell you why they didn't move on. They didn't move on because they understood his value. They understood his true value. Despite him giving up, despite him quitting in that, in, in that, that, that, that previous season. We can't let someone like this go. Look at the numbers he's put up. Look what he does for us offensively. He makes everyone else job around him that much easier because we have to. Everyone has to focus on him in game so it opens up everything else. So of course they were going to let him go, but now that he's injured, now that he's hurt and it's kind of up in the air, you don't know what you're gonna get once he's back healthy. You know what? Now we can let him go. But you never find another one.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Let me ask you a question.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You'll never find another player like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Do they make the playoffs with him? They can miss the playoffs without it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I mean we can say that about a lot of players on a lot.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But at $51 million, I, I and I told you that said oh no.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You know, you wouldn't get 51. You would restructure that though.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You would restructure have moved on. Oo because he's not going to be the same guy in the locker room. They're not going to believe in him. The coaches staff don't believe in him. There's a reason they didn't give him the C again. There's a reason oho, you know that, that you've got to do something really, really bad, something really egregious for you to be a captain one year, him being the player that he is and then all of a sudden he's not this, he's not the captain. Because nobody's gonna let bro, how you the captain? You quit of all people. If I give Ocho to see I'll get if damn near my leg broke. Hey man. Hey, Doc. What, you think it's broke, Ocho? Can you tape it up? Can I still go? Can I, can I, can I run a stop? You're gonna do everything you possibly can because you understand the importance of that seat, you understand the importance of that leadership. And the guys look to you. Once that transpired, I said, it's never going to be the same. You know that. I know that. Everybody knows that. Now people try to make it all you old school. I'm telling you in the. Quitting is the worst thing that you can do to have a heavy in a team game. Because if you're by yourself, you're a golfer or a tennis player, who cares if you quit, you withdraw. You withdraw, you. Oh, you got an injury and you can't continue. Okay. Hey, no. Who's that? Who was that with that? Somebody had a. Oh, Djokovic was playing somebody in the semifinals and the guy, he was up two sets to love and he had to withdraw because he had an injury. Okay, Injury. He couldn't continue, but as a team. And the thing was, Ocho, he was healthy and one of the guys and, and it got out that Waddle asked him, hey, Reek, you done? You can't. The problem is what you have if you restructure at what number, because he's going to deem it different. First of all, he's going to deem it disrespectful that you're cutting his pay based on what he's done. So now what is the number that you and the team that's coming. You know, the team is looking to be here. Tyreek are looking to be here. Can we find somewhere in the middle?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously, obviously at some point, I'm not sure when it's going to be. You're going to see Tyreek Hill post videos showing how healthy he is. You're going to see him running. You're going to see him running routes, lateral movement, being able to accelerate, being able to stop, being able to transition and do some of the things he once. He once was able to do. I think once those videos are posted on social media, then you're going to understand, okay, he's back. He's back. He might not be Tyreek of old, but even, even the same Tyreek of old, even if he loses the step, he's still faster and almost better than 98 of those that play his exact position. A lot of people, they, they mistaken allow the off the off field stuff to, to kind of camouflage what he's done on the field right now. If he was to try today, he's a Hall of Famer. If Tyreek Hill was to never play another down in the NFL, he is a Hall of Famer. He is a first ballot hall of Famer. For those who don't know and probably.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Said ojo, shut the hell, get away from that first ballot. After they, after they put to Coach Belichick in.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I, I, I, I understand, I understand. Because they allow off your stuff to overshadow what players have done on the field. Look at what he's done on the field. Look at his numbers to date. And obviously knowing Tyreek, being 32 as fast as he is, he's probably not going to slow down anytime soon. Based on what the way we've seen players come back from even gruesome injuries like this, I think he's going to be all right. But I, I feel he's a Hall of Famer based on what he's done thus far to date in NFL.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I think the thing is also Ocho, I think he should take his time. I think he had this injury. I think he did it in week four. So he's about five months into his surgery. Excuse me, rehab. He should be in no rush. You said his next move should be his best move.

[Co-host/Analyst]

That's got to be his best move.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I agree. Because the one thing, okay, he left voluntarily, Kansas City to go to Miami. Miami. He doesn't leave under the same circumstances. The last thing you want to happen, Ocho, is you go somewhere and then after a year, they move on. So now what's the, what's the thing? He ain't the same player. So you start to bounce. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Yeah, Naughty ping pong you. And that's the last thing they want because like you said, he's coming off a gruesome injury and he's 32.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'll tell you what I do realize. I mean, he was running, he was running 4:3 at 31. So yeah, I agree with you, Ocho. If, I don't know if we've ever seen a player this fast have this gruesome of an injury. So we really don't know what he's going to be when he gets back because that's a lot of downforce, that's a lot of deceleration and acceleration. If he can still accelerate, can he still get in and out of those breaks with the quickness? Can he still put fear?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Go ahead. Can you still put fear? Go ahead now.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Fat, fat, come here. All right, Go Ahead.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, I was just, I, I think that's, that's the biggest thing. We've never seen a player with this kind of speed to have this kind of gruesome injury. Because the acceleration and the deceleration, because you may, hey, the faster you go. Because normally guys that run really fast, hey, they have to throw that blink on there to get edit out of the brakes. That's not what Tyreek does. He can decel, he can accelerate and decelerate with the in the, in the same. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see. But I would take my time. I'm in no rush. I'm Tyreek, my resume speaks for itself. Yes. And they're going to ask him, you know, they're going to bring him in. They're going to ask him what happened in that situation. They always do. They always do.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I don't, I don't know. I, I, I, I, I don't think so. I don't think so. Understanding, knowing what he can do, it's about moving forward. I don't see them rehashing the past, because the past is not going to help what you're trying to do and what he can do in helping a team right now and trying to reach their end goal, especially the Kansas City Chiefs. Based on. Yes. Based on. Huh? Based on, you know, them missing the playoffs last year and having struggles at that position, I think they'll be happy to bring him back. Especially with Eric B. Enemy knowing how to use them the right way.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Let me ask you a question. And Chad, y' all can chime in. In a regular job, if you get five of your a regular job and you go to a new job, they ask you what happened in the old job. Ocho.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You know what? I like it, but it's a, it's a different environment with, with different leaders where he doesn't have to be that main one. You got, you got my homes. You got some of those other fellas over there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

When you got the Coach Belichick, what did Coach Belichick ask you?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, he asked me nothing. I know what he did say.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What do you say?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Listen, welcome, welcome, welcome to the, to New England. You know, you're gonna have to change who you are to be here, so.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But you don't think, ask him anything about what transpired.

[Co-host/Analyst]

He's already been there and he's already been there, huh? He's already been there. He's just coming back home.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He's been where?

[Co-host/Analyst]

In Kansas City?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I get Kansas City. Kansas City. No, look, Kansas City saw something.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh. If he goes. If he goes somewhere else beyond what I'm saying.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But what if he doesn't go to Kansas City? What if he goes to Buffalo? What if he goes to the Charger? I'm not saying go into a familiar situation. Right. They knew. They took Tyreek, knowing what had transpired beforehand, so they have an understanding of who Tyreek is. But San Diego, Excuse me, San Diego, Louisiana. The Chargers don't.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Buffalo does not. Maybe any other teams does not. So I need to get a sense. I need to get a feel to. To make sure this situation doesn't arise again. Go ahead. Oh, right. Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. I. I don't. I don't. I don't think we have any issues. Obviously, the off field stuff, it. It overshadows what he's done on the field.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, that was on the field. That wasn't off the field. I.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Look, I know, I know, I know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Divorce and the kids. I don't care nothing about. Hopefully. Hopefully.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The allegations about D. DV isn't true. I hope the kids. The kid, hey, that happened. I don't. I don't care. I don't care if he got a baby. One baby mama, two baby mom. They ain't got nothing to do. I don't care about that. But what we're. I'm only. I'm only talking about what transpired the last game of the regular season when he was fully healthy. Yeah, that's it. I'm not chat. And I don't want you to. Look, I'm not trying to minimize it. I'm just saying we're talking about. Because all that. And they might even ask him about that. Yeah, but I'm talking about on the field play. That's what Ocho and I are discussing. Yes, DV is bad. And so I'm not trying. Because y' all know you're gonna try to parse words and they'll clip it and say doesn't care. I do care. But I. I'm not asking him about that because I can read and I'm gonna ask him. Who knows? Maybe they call. Maybe they call her. I don't know. Maybe they get the police report and deduce what they can from that. Or. All I'm saying is, is what transpired the last game of the regular season a year and a half ago, that's what's going to be the major concern for teams. All the teams. Maybe not Kansas City, because they know who Reek is. Andy's very familiar with Him. Brett Veach is familiar with him, obviously. EB Is familiar with him. Kelsey Mahomes, everybody. I saw Chris Jones. Cheetah had the club.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes, yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So. But I'm just saying, I. I think in a situation like that, Ocho, you get asked those questions because it'd be. Yeah, you know, a great person to be had on tonight would be asked to. Because to went from San Fran. He went to Philly. From Philly to Dallas. Dallas. So did they ask you anything about what transpired at the previous stops? Right.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I mean, you know, it's possible. It's possibly. They can. I'm sure it'd be an easy question that he won't have a problem answering. Obviously, being a player, you know how you can get frustrated, but there's certain things you really can't do, especially wearing that seal on your chest. And. And it got to him in the. In the moment. He was upset. I'm not sure what was going on. I can't remember that previous game or who they were playing, but he was frustrated, especially offensive, because he wasn't being able. He wasn't being used the way he felt he should.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, I think the thing is, Ocho, it's the first time and maybe since his rookie year that he didn't get a thousand yards. You know, you as a wide receiver, you measure your success by a thousand yards. Let me get that thousand, and then I'll deal with it. Hey, I might only have 50 catches, but if I got 50 catches for a thousand yards, that's 20 yards. Good. I'm Gucci. Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Good. Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's. Yeah. And so I think that might have played a part in it. And when you're at that level, you see all these young guys, you see what Chase doing. You seeing what Jetta's doing, You seeing what Puka's doing? You see, oh, as we start to get older, we see those young dogs coming.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Damn, man. Pretty soon I'm have to get my ass on the damn porch. I can't even run with him no more.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

We had an old dog when I was growing up. Oo Hey, O. Joe boy. That was his name. Joe Boy. Joe Boy got old. The other dog be running in the yard. He just bark at him. Basically said, I remember I used to be able to do that, but I gotta stay up here.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You can't move no more.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He can get off the porch to go out there and do his business. But I did. He ain't running with nothing, and he definitely ain't Going hunting with those, with those other dogs. But I wish Tyreek the best. I, I thought for what he's been able to do on the field. The way he turned himself from a gadget guy. A guy's getting, you know, some, some shovel passes, some jet sweeps of, you know, flea flickers here and there's a return specialist. And to turn himself into a preeminent receiver, that's dedicated, that's hard work. We all have our flaws. We've all made mistakes. But in this situation, I, I commend him on what he's been able to overcome to turn himself into the receiver that he became. And so I wish him the best. Nothing but going to forward. But I agree with you 1000%. Take your time. You should be in no rush if this thing doesn't happen. I mean, it don't have to happen the first week of my, you know, the signing period is second week of March. Ocho. I ain't got to get with a team. I ain't gonna be able to do anything anyway.

[Co-host/Analyst]

But the one. One thing about it, I, I think it's gonna happen before that. When, when, when time, when the time comes. I think, you know, teams especially that need a receiver of his caliber again, even coming off injury, understanding the value that he can bring once he is healthy. A lot of teams can use that asset. A lot of teams. And you know, just a. Not to go off topic, I. I love talk about Tyreek. Speaking of receivers that, that need to be utilized in the right way. That is. Is another Matthew Golden.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Matthew golden had that same, that same type of. I, I don't understand what they're doing over there in Green Bay, but I just, I just felt like throwing it out there. They need to utilize him the right way too, because they using him as if he's just a gadget player and he can do somewhat of the same thing Tyreek can. He just hadn't figured it out yet, if that makes sense.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Plus, I think the thing that players get caught up in is that teams do not get caught up into this. Hold on. We're about to invest 15, 20 million dollars. I don't. I mean, maybe it would incentive. They can get to that number. You have to. You have to set aside what a guy once was.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And actually pay him and value him on what you believe he'll be.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

We get caught up in a lot. We get caught up sometimes in that oo. We get caught up. Oh, I remember, I remember. I remember. And we paying for what he was as Opposed to what he is, what he is. Everything. Some things do increase in value. Some things, they lose value. Hey, I just saw an Enzo Ferrari. I think it was on Mecham that went for 16 million. Yeah. The end zone. Yellow. It was yellow. I think it was one. I think it was one of one. Yeah, but. But they're skyrocketing. They're skyrocketing.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And. And so I, I think for me, that's. That's what I think that's what teams are going to look at. I think they'll give him decent money. Oo. But I think it's going to be a lot of. It's going to be incentives.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. And knowing him, I think he's a player that will be able to hit those incentive, especially if he comes back anywhere near like what he once was.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Miami traded the first round. Traded a first round pick, a second round pick, two fourth round picks, and a sixth round pick to acquire Cheetah in 2022, despite Tyreek having two productive seasons in Miami. In hindsight, what do you think, Ocho? You like this trade? Yeah, I like it. From a monetary standpoint, that's it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I mean, yeah, but it's.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You would never be able to get that anywhere else, huh? No, you would never get that, be able to get that anywhere else. This is one of the best receivers, not just of this generation. He's still one of the best receivers of all time. Of all time. I. I think people. People need to understand the run that Ty Tyreek was on before his injury. This ain't just no. Anybody. So I mean, this. It was worth it. And they. They got what they wanted. Obviously the end goal is always to. To. To win a championship. But there. There's so many different. So many other holes that need to be filling before we can even think about talking about a championship down here in Miami any damn way.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So now, Now. I don't know. It's going to be hard because just think now, Ocho, he has two more Super Bowls with another super bowl appearance. Now maybe he doesn't have 1799 and 1700. Maybe he's around 13, but he has three 1300 yard seasons. Now. Ocho, we looking like. Hold on, man. Tyreek got like 12,000 yards. And another blue.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Blue.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Another two Super bowl rings. Hey. And another all. Hey. I don't know, Ocho, you might be right. Even though we have some issues that. And don't let anybody fool you. They say they're not supposed to look at off field issues and it all depends on who it is.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah. You know they, they move the goal for goal post for who they want to. You know that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Absolutely.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You understand that. And it's, it's unfortunate that they, they've been given that kind of power to be able to control the narratives and, and tell the. And and have be able to finish your story in their own right. They just have too much power to me and I don't like politics. If I wanted to play politics I would have been a politician and it be everything become political and not what you've done on the field. Which is why it just, just it is what it is.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You'd be a great politician. Just lie. Just tell the people. Just tell your constituents what they want to hear. They'll vote you in and then they get comfortable. That's why these people 80, 80 plus years old that's been in office for 40 years.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But you know it's crazy. Look, they say lady Justice. Lady justice supposedly have a scale. So it's justice supposed to be balanced and it's supposed to be blindfolded but every once in a while she'd be peeking. Ocho. Oh, I see you. Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

All the time on you.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey. All the time. And depending on it when it comes to that too. Now you certain people, certain people play by different rules.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Absolutely.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Certain people play by different rules. And, and we can see that's going on right now. I'm that that's not the kind of talk show that we do have. But as you can see there's a huge story going on and there are certain people that play in a whole different ball game.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

And run their own system where the rules don't apply to them.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The likelihood of Aaron Rodgers returning to the Steelers for the 2026 season is high according to Jeremy Fowler first year coach Mike McCarthy.

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And Peacock said he would welcome his former quarterback back in the foals after the pair won a Super bowl with the Packers. This there's a waiting game however that could stretch for several months similar to off last offseason. Rogers is not rushing his decision and filing reports. There is no timeline on Rogers decision. Both sides are open to a potential return. Aaron Rodgers tend to take as much time on such matters. So I don't expect a swift resolution. But head coach Mike McCarthy likes Rogers, of course, from his time in Green Bay. He's a bridge option for them. They've looked at hard at quarterbacks in the 2026 draft, so they certainly could draft one. Ojo, what's going on? What's really going on?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Well, you know, God damn. Really coming back, huh? You know, damn welling coming back. Because there is no answer at the position. Even if not the same old, even not the same Aaron Rodgers. No, McCarthy is familiar with him. They played. I mean he had him at Green Bay. What answer do you have at that position to say, you know what, we can move on for Aaron Rodgers and he doesn't have to come back. I mean, will you rely on a 42, what, 43 year old quarterback?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I think you'd be 43.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You don't have it. Yeah, you don't, you don't have a choice. You don't have a choice just to even compete in this NFL. Obviously we've seen it all, all season. You need a quarterback and sometimes age really doesn't matter depending on who it is. Matt Stafford at 37, then you have Drake May. How the hell do the goddamn patriots go from 4 and 13 to 143 the following year? It's because of the quarterback play. Obviously coaching plays a goddamn factor, but you still need a quarterback. I mean, it just is what it is. Sam Darnold, look what he did in Minnesota. He goes to goddamn Seattle. Obviously there's some other pieces that matter. Obviously organizationally they, they won a Super Bowl. Who gives the Steelers their best chance to compete? I'm not saying win, but just compete. It would be 42, 43 old Aaron Rodgers. And it's just this, just the way, the way the NFL is. It's just the way it's built, it's the way it's structured. You need a quarterback. Unless you have one, you don't have a chance. Even if he's 42 years old.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's what they say. They're looking for a bridge. They, they could certainly go draft 1 in 20, 26. I don't know. It would strike me as odd to go in the free agent market and get a quarterback when you have Aaron Rodgers, the potential of Aaron Rodgers, but because the guy that comes to free agent, oh, he's looking to start. He ain't looking to be no bridge. He ain't looking to have, okay, Aaron Rodger gonna start this year and then we'll put you in next year. That's not why a guy comes in free agency to your building, he's coming to be a start. He's coming with the, the, the attention. The. Excuse me, the intention, not attention, the intentions of starting.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So they're probably going to have to go into the market. They're going to probably have to go into the draft and draft the quarterback because I don't see a scenario where you go get one in free agency and ask him, right, to sit for a year. I don't think that, I don't think he'll be, I don't, me personally, I don't think he'll be comfortable with that.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, and the funny thing about it too, the way they treat young quarterbacks right now too. We've seen, we've heard Tom Brady talk about it. We heard some other players that played quarterback talk about how they're so much impatient and they're not allowing quarterback to develop. They're not allowing quarterback to develop. There's so much pressure on them. They're going to bad teams and owners are impatient when they don't have instant success. And that, that's, it's unfortunate. And I think they're going to continue to have those problems, especially if Aaron Rodgers doesn't come back. It's going to put them right back in, in quarterback purgatory.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, what happens is, is that you have Jaden Daniels in his first year. He goes to the NFC championship games. You have Drake May in the second year get all the way to the Super Bowl. You see Bo Nix in the second year have his team in the AFC Championship game. You see Caleb Williams has his team. So they just, people automatically assume, well if he did it, why can't I got do it? But you know, that's how people think.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oo yeah, but, but also look at the, look at the, look at the quarterbacks you name. Jaden Daniels ain't no slouch. He's good. He, he was able to do it in college. Caleb Williams was no slouch. He's really good. He was able to do it in college. So if you look at the quarterback coming out this year in the draft, I mean do you see one in the draft this year or one in collegiate football that comes in and changes the direction of your organization? I mean, let's, let's be honest, don't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But Ocho is the same thing. People see your success and ask why can't I have that level of success? Because they don't see what you're doing. Behind the scenes. So you don't know what type of program, what type of organization and which type and what type of stability that they provided for him. All you're looking at it from the outside. So you're on the outside looking in like, damn, it look like fun in there. But you don't know what it did to have that kind of fun. And. But all I see is a first year and second year quarterbacks getting to the super bowl, getting to AFC championship games, NFC championship game, getting to the division around the playoffs. But you want me to sit here and says, okay, we got three years, huh? NFL is very impatient. They are very, very impatient. You know why, Ocho? Yeah. Because the salaries are getting astronomical and I've got to make a decision. See, I've got to make a decision. Within three years am I going to get this guy $300 million, right? So you talk about, oh, let him develop this, a Polaroid. I'm gonna shake his ass. I need this thing developed real quick. Hey, you know, back in the day, oh, Joe, you didn't have an Insta camera. You had to send the thing off. You take it to the drugstore, they send it off. When I think it'll be, yeah, no, no, hell no. I need this right now. Let me see.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Come on. Yeah, As a matter of fact, small example, small example on organizations that have to make it happen right now if they want instant success. You got to build around your quarterback. Tennessee, Tennessee with Cam Moore, they're going to have to continue to build and put pieces around the quarterback. Las Vegas Raiders, they got a hell of a job ahead of them. Yeah, they got a hell of a job ahead of them based on the way they look last year, knowing that they're going to draft Fernando Mendoza with the number one pick. You got to get some pieces.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I agree.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You got to get some. And the best way to do that is, for one, you got to let brother Crosby go. You got to let brother Crosby go. Because to be able to get what you need, not only offensively but defensively, you're going to need the value that he brings in a trade. You're going to need it because you're fooling yourself and you think just bringing them in, those in, all of a sudden things are going to change. That's not the way it works.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But if you go look at what they had or what they put around. Go look at Caleb Williams, look at what they put around him. They got DJ Moore, they drafted Coastal Loveland, they Burton Roman, dun the running back, they short up the offensive line. Okay? Drake Mace, they go get. Booty was already there, but they go get a Stefan Diggs. Look at the running backs. They had Randre Ste, but they go get Henderson. You see what they. You see what they did around him? And I think that's. That's the way that you have to. That's the way you see what they did with cj. You get a Nico Collins, you get a running back. You get. You bring. You got to bring pieces in now. They're still there. You know, I think the Texans are going to go back into the offensive line. I saw Tank Dale working out, and he's like, hey, okay, he still had. He probably still has a ways to go, but they're probably going to go get another receiver. I can assure you gonna get a running back because I don't know if Joe Mixon's gonna come back. Ocho, they listening to them talk and I could be wrong. And maybe. I mean, maybe I'm reading too much into this situation. But the way they was talking, this didn't. This didn't seem good. This is not like something that, oh, we expect him to be back this. This year.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right, Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But you. Like you said, you've got to put great pieces around a quarterback. Cause there are very few quarterbacks that can really elevate a team in his first or second year. There have been a few. A handful of them on a handful.

[Co-host/Analyst]

A handful of. But hold on. Even those quarterbacks that can elevate a team still look at what they had around them. Look at about. Look at what they had around them. You know, they just happen to be that good. And then you also had pieces around you. Like, it takes a special quarterback to go to a very bad team and elevate everybody else. That mean he has to do almost everything else. Right. When nobody else is. Everybody's not as good to me, but I'm so good, I could make up for all our lack. All our weaknesses. You know how difficult that is at that position.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But even when you go back and look at it, even though Kansas City had Tyreek and they had Kelsey, they still brought in Samuel Watkins. Yeah, they still brought in VAD. You see, they still kept adding pieces. They had McKinnon and they had. They. They brought. Hey, we're not satisfied. And it's like, man, we got our ass kicked in the. Against Tampa. What they do rebuild the whole offensive line.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, got to.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And they're going to redo it. They're going to reshuffle it again. And they're going to go. They're going to go out and get some players. Hey, look, they got to get better defensively, too. Ocho. They took a step back defensively.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, yeah, yeah. They're not the same. They're not the same.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But I'm not surprised. I'm not. The thing is that when you get, I mean, I take my hat off to these older guys because I know as I got older, I just got tired of hearing the same verbiage. The same. And I can just imagine what it is for a quarterback.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I don't want to hear it no more, man. Is there any way I could just show up on Friday, practice Friday, leave Saturday and play on Sunday? I need a scenario like that. Bucky Brooks.

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And Peacock at NFL.com ranked the biggest super bowl windows heading into next season. Seahawks were one, Rams were two, Patriots was three. Eagles were fur four. Excuse me. Broncos five, Bears six, Jag seven. Ocho, what do you agree with? What do you disagree with? Unfortunately, your Bengals were not on there.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hold on. Bring that to me one more time.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Had the biggest window heading into next season, followed by the Rams, followed by the Patriots, followed by the Eagles, followed by the Broncos, followed by the Bears, followed by the Jags.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hold. You said the biggest window now the, the biggest window on what, what repeating.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

And go or going back more window heading in the next set season.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, you know, you know what? I, I like that list. And I like that list. I'm not even gonna base it on the quarterbacks. I'm gonna go with that list. Based on the defenses that they have. Based on the defenses that they have, obviously.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But all of them do have quarterbacks.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I mean.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

And that, that also, that also plays a part. But because of the defenses, I think I like that list. Obviously, Josh Allen's not listed. Lamar's not listed. Obviously my bangles aren't listed. And what, what are our weaknesses? What are our weaknesses? What are the weaknesses of the Bills, the defense?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

They're over the cap right now. That they can. Now they can fight. They can restructure, probably. Restructure. Josh restructure. James Cook. Yeah. Bosa. Bosa only signed a one year deal. We'll see what they do with Epanessa, Russo, some of those guys. We'll see what they do with that. Obviously, Lamar is the biggest. Is the biggest question mark. Okay, what are we going to do with him? Right. Steve Bichard has made it abundantly clear he would love to have him back, but if that's not the direction that Lamar wants to go in, we'll play it out and we'll. We'll. We'll go from there. So lamar is about $70 million against the cap. They got to get better defensively, too. Ojo. They got to get some receivers because I don't know what happened to Bateman this year. I don't. I don't. Oo. I don't know what happened.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, I mean, listen, Lamar getting his deal done this off season. They got to get him under the cap. He can get a new deal. As far as. As far as defense, they need it bad. They need an edge rusher. They need someone. They need an impact player on the edge. I'm not sure who they can go get. There's so many. So many different variables and. And measures you can take to improve in that area. And everything starts on defense. They have to get that moniker that they always stood by or always talk about play like Raven. It looked nothing like that. They look nothing like that. And on the back end. On the back end. I'm not sure Marlon Humphrey, if he's coming back, Nate Wiggins this off season. You got. You got to come together. You got to come together. You have to be that centerpiece in that secondary along with Kyle Hamilton to lead. To lead that goddamn secondary. And they need one piece on. Just one on the edge. I don't know who it could be. You just need one.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

They'll be very. They'll be very. They'll be very active. Steve is not very happy with. With missing the playoffs. He let it be known he was so displeased with that, he fired the head coach. So, hey, I can't give you any clear indication that Steve was upset with how this season played out. And maybe there are. There are a lot of things. I mean, the. The running back situation, the. The team, and sometimes it's just best. Sometimes we just need. We just. Ocho, sometimes your voice and her voice, y' all just tired of each other. You get with somebody else, she get with somebody else, and everybody's just so happy. Yeah, it's like that sometimes. And there's nothing wrong with that. Some. Well, what happened? We just grew apart after 19 years. Sometimes you're not. It's hard to, I mean, you have to be willing to evolve because nobody's the same. The person that you make the very first day, I don't care if you with him for a year. I don't care if you with them for 50 years. That's not the same person a year later, 20 years later, 30 years later, 50 years later, you, they evolved, you evolved. And each party who had to be willing to evolve with other party together.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. And that, that's, that's, that's the hard part, obviously, in a co, in a coaching standpoint is when you do evolve, you know, everything has to be in alignment. Most of the time, everything's not in alignment. When it comes to coaches and, and players hear it so much, it becomes. You regurgitate the same thing over and over. They tired of hearing the same message from the same voice and sometimes changing the voice, it's different. It's different. And so, I mean, listen, even, even as a Bengal, I'm hoping for the, for the Ravens to have some sort of success and be able to compete once again and be at the top of the AFC along with, along with my team. But until they find somebody that come off that edge junk or somebody to help with that D line, they ain't doing nothing.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Like I said, I mean, you're asking your secondary to hold up for that length of time, and they're just not, they're just not good enough to be able to do that. And when the guy has five, six, seven seconds, I mean, there are some like, oh, ain't nobody, I mean, Reavis and time together wouldn't be able to hold up when the guy just taking 6, 7 seconds to throw the football. But you got to have some pressures. But I, I, I like this. But there's no, I think about it. The Rams, their quarterback, number one overall draft pick. The Bears quarterback, number one overall draft pick. The Jags quarterback, number one overall draft picks. Seahawks quarterback, third pick in the draft. Patriots quarterback, third pick in the draft. Eagles quarterback. What? The first. Second pick in the second round. The Broncos quarterback, a top 15 pick. It's not an accident that Bucky listed these teams and each one of these teams has stability at their most important position.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, he right.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's not an accident.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Obviously the Seahawks, they're gonna have to, you know, what do we do with Kenneth Walker? Can we do it with Spoon? If I'm them, I, I trade Wolin, I trade him. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna leave nothing. I'm not gonna Pay. I'm not gonna pay him, Ocho. I'm not.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I think he's. I think he's restricted free agent, huh?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I trade him. I got his rights. I'm trading it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I just can't pay him because you can't pay both of them. You want Spoon or you want.

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, you can't. You can't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You want Spoon or you want Woolen? I'm gonna give you a choice.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, you can't keep them both. And they got to take care of Mr. Walker, too. Now they got to take care.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What you gonna do with js? Oh, he.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, he finna break.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm just asking you.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, hold on. Him and Puka. Yes, Hitman Puka.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So I just need you to tell me what you go do, because you can. And I get it. I think in order of importance for the. The Seahawks. Yeah, probably Spoon. Jsn Walker. That the. At the low end.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. I mean. Oh, you know how they treat. Unless you're absolutely special. Unless you want them special individuals, you know that. That's the way. That's. That's the way the cookie crumbles. There's always a pecking order in everything. Always a pecking order.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

So hold on.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hold on, baby. Baby. What, Papa. Okay, can you. Can you go up there with Pop off so I can hear. I can't hear. You want to stay there? Okay. Can you turn down your. Can you turn down YouTube? Let me turn this down because I. Can you hear her? Can you hear the YouTube? Oh, you can't. Okay, okay. If you can't hear it. Okay, cool.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But if it's distracting you. I can't hear. We can't hear it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Okay. Okay. I'm just making sure because I can hear it clear as day, and it's loud. She listened to Cape. Some K Pop thing, you know.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You know what K pop is that South Korean group.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, hold on. Let me turn it down a little bit.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The stages, young people, young kids and old people both got hearing problems, but. No, I like that. I like this group. Most of these teams got outstanding defenses. I'm surprised the Texans are not on here. But the Texans got some issues. They got. They got a. Is stroud their guy, and then Will Anderson Jr. Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's a big payday. That's a big, big, big, big payday.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, it is.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I mean, between the two, you're probably looking at Ocho. You probably looking at 350, $400 million.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Mm. Easy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, very easy.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Easy.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'm not saying Will Anderson Is gonna get Michael's money, but he gonna be damn in the ballpark.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Oh, he definitely gonna be in the ballpark. He definitely gonna be in the ball.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He definitely got a seat in the ballpark.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, you're gonna be up there.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Jalen Hurts has been voted the most hated player in the NFL on data analysis by website Vegas Insider. Hertz got a hate score of 10, the highest in the league and the strongest negative fan reaction. Ocho, why do you think Hurts is the most hated player across the league?

[Co-host/Analyst]

I think Hurst is the most hated player across the league because he wins. Huh? He's been winning. He's been winning since Alabama. He came to Philly, and he's been a winner since he's gotten there. They don't like the way he do things, but he only does what they ask of him and the results in what they ask of him. Even though it's not pretty, even though it's not aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Jalen Hurts wins all the time. Now, obviously, players, those that play the game, will continue to nitpick at what he's not able to do. Obviously, last season, everything coming to a head because the things that everybody complains about. See, this is why we're not winning right now, because he can't do X, Y and Z. But still, he is the most hated to me, obviously, because I think he wins with doing the least at his, you know, current position. But it was.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

It.

[Co-host/Analyst]

It works. It works for them. It has worked. And just last season, it just didn't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

People talk about, what's the context? I hate you, Ocho. What context? I don't need no damn context. You just.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Just hate me for no reason.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What's the context? He's the most hated player, and I think a lot of it has to do Ocho. He wins, but it's not, like you said, it's not aesthetically pleasing. He doesn't win like they want him to win or how they envision he should be winning. They look at how they hate Lamar or Josh Allen or this guy. That guy win. Well, he ain't winning like that. The objective is to win. You don't get more or less points for winning pretty. And I think that. And I think that's what, you know, some people, everybody, like, everybody can't. Can't win like Peyton Manning, can't win like Tom Brady. Some people have to do it a different way, and that's okay. But what, it's your fault? How is it my fault? But it's by fault.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, yeah, it's. Oh, he's your. Hold on. Let me tell. Let me tell you the people whose fault it is on why people hate Jalen Hurts, for one. We're gonna go with Cam New. We're gonna go with you, too. Let me see, who else. Did shady say anything? I'm not sure.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I think Shady supports it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

You know, you normally rock with your. You rock with your squad.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean. I mean, you, You. I mean, hey, you. You. You heavy on him, Cam. Heavy on him, Cam.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

The tush push. People don't like the tush push.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Look, my quarterback. My quarterback squat, 600 pounds. That's on you. You got to stop.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I think the thing is, oo his interviews, I mean, we don't get a chance to see his personality. I'm sure the guy that we see in front of the camera is not the guy that he is in the locker room. And people like to see personality. I think that's why people look people and Peyton didn't show a whole lot of personality until Peyton retired. Brady. You know, people talked about Brady's sense of humor and things like that, but he didn't really show it. He was really button up. So I think we're holding Jalen hurts or. I'm not holding it to him. He is what he is. I don't. It's not. I'm not casting me in a movie or. Or commercial, anything. So it really doesn't matter to me. But I think the thing is, is that people really do want to, like, is he really this buttoned up? Is he really just this matter of fact. And, you know, he's not excited, like, hey, yeah, I'm happy. But, you know, it's on to the next. You're not even gonna give yourself. You're not gonna give yourself an opportunity to celebrate the Super Bowl. You're not gonna give yourself an opportunity. And I. I think. I think. I think that has something to do with it. I do.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, a little bit. But you gotta understand, especially the quarterback position, you have to carry yourself a certain way. I think Jalen Hurst goes to the extreme with it when it comes to being buttoned up. When it comes to Strictly about business, obviously, hurdles, comments. After winning the super bowl, right back to business. Right back to work. But off camera, these individuals are nothing like that. Tom Brady, nothing like that. Peyton Manning, nothing like that. Until you're able to see them outside of that environment, outside of having to be the franchise quarterback in the leader of the said team, you. You'll never Know him. And that's one of the things that I actually hate that people. Now, obviously, when I was playing, I'm like, but damn, seeing Tom here, being on the same team with him, he's nothing like what I saw on camera. Seeing Peyton, man, at the Pro Bowl.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Wait a minute.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

This ain't nothing like you see about dude.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I see that answers everything. Like a goddamn presidential candidate in front of the camera. No, it. It's.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

It's.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I. I just hate that people can't be themselves. You were yourself, but you were a tight end. You put the camera in front of me. The same person you see on Nightcap, the same person you saw on the field.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

We were.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Man, could you imagine?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

My mind won't let me. Shady did say people in the locker room don't like Jalen. Hurts.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

But I'm sure.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I mean, hey, you. Hey, you not there to be liked. We. I am not. I'm not part of this team. For me to come here every day with you for six months out the year for you to like me.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I agree.

[Co-host/Analyst]

We are supposed to have one goal in mind when we walk in this building. That's the winner. Championship together. And that doesn't entail me having to like you. Yeah, it doesn't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I agree.

[Co-host/Analyst]

It doesn't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Liking me. As long as you respect me, we cool. We ain't got to be best boys. I'm not coming to your house. You not coming to my house.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You're coming to my house.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Hey, we cool.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, we not hanging out together.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Nope. He's married. He seems to be happy in this situation. He seems to be a loner. He seems to be about, hey, I'm here to do a job, the best job I possibly can, and I'm going home to.

[Co-host/Analyst]

That's it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Going home to my wife. That's. That's where I am. And I don't. I don't. I don't begrudge that. I just think some. Sometimes you do, as a teammate, have to get outside your comfort zone. Cause y' all were like, hey, boy, what y' all doing tonight, man? We going to the Moose. So we go, all right, I'm going to. Yeah, man. What y'. All. What y' all doing, man? We played. We shooting dice. How you play? We explain it to him. Okay, I'm in.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Sometimes as a quarterback. Ojo to make. Because you already put on a pedestal. Whether you like it or not, whether you ask for or not, the last thing that you want the team to think is that, oh, he really.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You bigger than everybody else.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

He think he better than us. Yeah, sometimes you just like, hey, hey, guy. Hey. Sometimes, Ocho, you have to. Hey, you throw a dinner? Yeah, sometimes. Hey, I. I know he probably don't gamble or anything like that, but. Hey, y' all got a. A. A. A poppy shop machine or a shoot pool? Hey, sometimes you just gotta. Sometimes you gotta let your hair down and. I know, I know. Hey, but I shouldn't have to. But it's a different environment.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, some. Sometimes, Ocho, when you. When you're the head of a company, you gotta. You gotta take. You gotta take them out to dinner.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Mm.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's just the way it works sometimes. Why you looking at me, Ash? Yeah, and let Ash order all the bull job that she won't. Yeah. Especially steakhouses. Cause you already know. Oh. Oh, y' all got skirt.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, what.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What comes on this salad? What'd you get? Well, you didn't get filet. You got a ribeye. Oh, you normally get some bull jive, too. And the calamar. Who got the calamari? I didn't eat. Not one piece. All I know is I. I ordered it and didn't eat none of it. But I did see somebody. Little. Little fingers. Keep with that fork. That spoon. Just keep. That was you. No, I'm talking about the calamari that came out first. But look, everybody gonna be like, no, Joe, you can't make everybody happy, nor should you attempt to.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, I mean, but listen, some. Some people have energy. This kind of energy where you can't help but like.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, sometimes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

You know? So. Yeah. Hey, if you can find Chad, if you can find somebody that don't like me, genuinely that don't like me, I. I pay you a 5,900.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, damn. Well, I don't like your ass. You won't be 5,900. So there you go.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I think you know, it. Regardless of error, regardless whether it's my error, whether it's the current error, was the era before mine. Everyone genuinely likes me now. They might not agree with the way, you know, the way I played or some of the answers that I did, but there's. There's no way. There is no absolute way that anybody that dislikes me. If there's anyone that dislikes me, it's something wrong with you. It got to be something wrong. It got to be something wrong with you. And we need to get you help, Chad. I'm sure, Chad, you can agree.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, I 1000% agree. Yeah, you. Look, everybody's not Going to be. You know, for whatever reason, I. I tried to be amenable to everybody. I tried to joke with everybody, have. You know, but I took. I took winning serious. I took practice serious. I took meeting serious. I ain't want to see you sleeping. I didn't want to see you bull driving around because, you know, that could cost us a game. I mean, we only had 16 of those things. And you bull driving around and you. You not taking it serious. That. That probably rubbed me the wrong way, and maybe that rubbed some of my teammates the wrong way. You. Cuz, I. Well, obviously you see how I am now. So you could just imagine.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Imagine back then. Hey, hey, uncle, you would. Hey. What? What? Hey. But you would have been mad at me if I was your teammate. What?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Man, man, stop. Bull so much.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oo, hey, you would. You would have been cussing me out. I. I can see you now. O. What you got for us today? What you got for us today? If you sco boy, I would.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, you a get no pill today. I'm cool with that. As long as you take practice serious. Like, we out there, we tried to get better. Cause I ain't out here for my help. It's cold or it's hot or whatever it be. That and everybody. Every day, even though I try to put on a brave face, there are sometimes. I was dealing with stuff that, you know, you just got. You know, you just got to get through. But that. That was. That was my. That was my own thing. I don't. I don't care. I don't care. You married, you got kids. I don't care about none of that. I don't care about your girlfriend. I don't care. I don't care about none of that. What? Leave that at home when you come here, right? We come in here to get better. Now, when you go back home, you better be able to compartmentalize. When you take your ass back home, you have to deal with mama then. Yeah, but when you hear.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Yeah, separate. Got to be able to separate the two.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Who, Man, Y', all, Steph. Y' all full of job. I didn't have no. Jordan, did I eat the cup? I got what? I picked up one piece of.

[Co-host/Analyst]

What.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

What happened to the rest of the plate now?

[Co-host/Analyst]

I don't know what y'.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

All.

[Co-host/Analyst]

What, Y' all went to jail. Where y' all went?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Some steakhouse right down the street.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, y' all got money?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I said, well, damn. Yeah, you on the plane, though. You didn't get into it late.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, you order. You Ordered. You ordered the wagon.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I. I ain't. I let Ash tell you what happened to my steak.

[Co-host/Analyst]

It was cooked. It was burnt. They burned it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

It was cooked perfect. But somebody ate it.

[Co-host/Analyst]

I hope you ain't.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I had, like. I had, like, two bites. Did you forget that part?

[Co-host/Analyst]

You sent it back.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Somebody ate my steak.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, you ain't send it back?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, I ain't send it back. I did.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, I was going to say. Hey, hey, hey. Can I. I. I know. Listen, I hate going to dinner with people who like, oh, we'll sit it.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Back if you eff it up. I'm sitting it back. Yes.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Oh, hell no. Come on. Don't tell me you want to be. Nah, man, I don't like that, man. I feel bad for my waitress. I feel bad for my waitress. I hate them having to run back and forth. There are people in the world starving. Okay, you.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

If they don't, they ain't paying correctly, right?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Still. Still eating?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

No, I ain't eating it. Hell no.

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, I ain't saying I don't send them back. I don't like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I paid a hundred dollars. 150, 200, 300 for a steak, right? It better be Chef kiss. It better be delicioso. Yeah.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Hey, I hate. Hey, I don't mean to tell him. A personal business, boy. I. I left. I left a chick at a restaurant one time like that, man, if you send your food back and if you don't. I hate not only when you send your food back, but when you talk to waiters.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Anytime.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Man. I mean, I left her there. Oh, you just gonna leave? You're not gonna pay? I ain't paying, man. I'm good.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Oh, I say buy back all the time because I want a dry plate. Because you know how they put the gravy on the juice on the plate? Oh, they gotta send it back. I want a dry plate.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Okay, okay, okay. Damn.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Yeah, no, I'm sending it back. It needs to be cooked like I. Like. I ordered it. I ordered it medium. Don't bring it to me.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Well, whoa, whoa. Medium. You don't get it medium.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Well, get it medium.

[Co-host/Analyst]

No, that's too much pink on the inside.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Just right. Just right amount of pink. She don't say. No, Ashton will ask, like, oh, rare.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Medium rare. Rare.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Rare.

[Co-host/Analyst]

Who eat their food? No, no, no. Come on now. Don't nobody know steak? No, she just playing. She playing.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

Did you get a medium rare?

[Co-host/Analyst]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

That's still too much for me. Sometimes you get medium plus.

[Co-host/Analyst]

What'd that mean?

[Chad Johnson (Ocho Cinco)]

I'll tell you in a minute.

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