Nightcap Hour 1: Unc and Ocho react to Micah Parsons firing back at Jerry Jones and are joined by Claressa Shields and Raekwon

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary

Episode: Nightcap Hour 1: Unc and Ocho react to Micah Parsons firing back at Jerry Jones and are joined by Claressa Shields and Raekwon
Release Date: July 24, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests: Clarissa Shields, Raekwon

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1. Introduction and Episode Kickoff

Shannon Sharpe welcomes listeners to the inaugural episode of the Nightcap Hour, setting the stage for a dynamic conversation centered around recent sports controversies and notable guest appearances.

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2. Spotlight on Clarissa Shields

Clarissa Shields, the undefeated heavyweight women's boxing champion, joins Shannon to discuss her upcoming fight and her standing in the boxing world.

• Upcoming Fight Details:

  • Opponent: Lanny Daniels
  • Location: Little Caesars Arena, Detroit
  • Sharpe: "You're going to be defending your heavyweight championship this weekend in Detroit. What do you hope to accomplish?" [04:05]

• Motivation and Career Goals:

  • Shields: "I would love to fight three to four times a year. I go in there, I win, and I don't get scratched up too bad." [04:52]
  • Insight: Shields emphasizes her desire to maintain an active fighting schedule while preserving her unbeaten record.

• Greatest Woman Boxers Discussion:

  • Sharpe: "There's only one greatest woman of all time." [05:29]
  • Shields: Expresses her confidence in her status and discusses her rivalry with Layla Ali.

• Beef with Layla Ali:

  • Shields: "Layla said no one is good enough to challenge me, but I'm ready to prove her wrong with a 15 million-dollar fight." [09:59]
  • Sharpe: Encourages Shields to "call the bluff" on Ali. [11:15]
  • Shields: Details the personal and professional strains caused by Ali's public statements and their impact on her career and ticket sales. [09:22–35:09]
  • Notable Quote: "I'm the A side. I'm the champion." [13:12]

• Personal Life and Family Dynamics:

  • Shields opens up about her turbulent relationship with her sister, Brianna, highlighting the challenges of balancing family expectations with her demanding career.
  • Shields: "They don't want what you give them. They want what you have." [30:00]
  • Notable Quote: "Brianna is my darkness, and she's the opposite of me." [31:39]

• Future Aspirations:

  • Shields discusses potential future fights and her commitment to community work, particularly in training young athletes.
  • Shields: "I want to train young girls and boys who come from environments that I grew up in and teach them boxing." [25:25]

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3. Reaction to Micah Parsons and NFL Contract Disputes

The conversation shifts to Michael Parsons, an NFL player expressing frustration over contract negotiations under Dallas Cowboys' owner Jerry Jones.

• Parsons’ Concerns:

  • Parsons: "When you see these other teams taking care of their best guys, I see TJ got taken care of... So it's hard." [44:27]
  • Sharpe: Highlights the disparity in contract deals within the league. [45:32]

• Discussion Points:

  • Sharpe and Co-Hosts: Critique Jerry Jones’ handling of player contracts, comparing it unfavorably to other NFL owners like Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman.
  • Sharpe: "Teams that are serious, they get it done." [50:00]
  • Notable Quote from Sharpe: "You've allowed it to get in for so long... now people just like, oh yeah, that rap." [73:56]

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4. Guest Appearance: Raekwon from Wu-Tang Clan

Raekwon, a member of the legendary Wu-Tang Clan, joins the podcast to discuss his latest album and perspectives on the evolution of hip-hop.

• Album Discussion:

  • Album Title: Emperor's New Clothes
  • Shields as Clarissa Shields refers to Raekwon as "Quan": "Your album, Emperor's New Clothes, is about deception and preserving hip-hop's true essence." [70:33]
  • Raekwon: Explains his creative process and commitment to authentic lyricism, distancing himself from mainstream trends. [52:06–58:53]
  • Notable Quote from Raekwon: "I ain't expecting me to be talking crazy... I'm just trying to give you something real." [56:45]

• Views on Modern Hip-Hop:

  • Shields: Criticizes the commercialization and shift away from lyrical depth in today's hip-hop. [58:53]
  • Raekwon: Emphasizes the importance of storytelling and maintaining the cultural integrity of hip-hop. [60:22–73:00]
  • Notable Quote from Shields: "We gotta stop falling for Suckers, for Stupid, for that ain't hip hop that we classify as hip hop." [72:15]

• Group Dynamics and Legacy:

  • Discussion: The challenges of maintaining unity within long-standing groups like Wu-Tang Clan amidst individual pursuits.
  • Shields: Highlights the importance of team cohesion and mutual respect. [64:03–67:40]
  • Notable Quote from Shields: "It's about respecting men and respecting their businesses and their family time." [69:15]

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5. Closing Remarks

Shannon Sharpe wraps up the episode by congratulating Clarissa Shields on her upcoming fight and expressing enthusiasm for future episodes featuring high-profile guests like Raekwon.

• Shields' Final Promo:

  • Shields: Promotes her fight, emphasizing ticket sales and inviting last-minute attendees. [41:02–41:50]
  • Notable Quote: "This is my first gate where I've done over a million dollars. Thank you, fans." [41:02]

• Shay Shay Media Promotions:

  • Throughout the episode, Shannon intersperses promotions for related media, including the Behind the Flow podcast series and consumer products like Shea by La Portier and clothing from 84.

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Key Takeaways

• Clarissa Shields is a dominant force in women's boxing, focused on maintaining her unbeaten record and challenging rivals like Layla Ali.
• Michael Parsons voices legitimate frustrations regarding NFL contract negotiations, highlighting systemic issues within the league.
• Raekwon emphasizes the importance of staying true to hip-hop roots, advocating for lyrical integrity over commercial trends.
• The episode delves deep into personal and professional struggles, showcasing resilience and the pursuit of excellence across sports and music industries.

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Notable Quotes

• Clarissa Shields: "I'm the A side. I'm the champion." [13:12]
• Shields on Layla Ali: "She can't with me at all." [14:07]
• Raekwon: "I don't get caught up in what anything sounds like anymore because a lot of shit got let in that I may not like." [55:22]
• Shields on Preserving Hip-Hop: "We gotta stop falling for Suckers, for Stupid, for that ain't hip hop that we classify as hip hop." [72:15]

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This episode of Club Shay Shay provides a compelling blend of sports insights and cultural commentary, offering listeners an engaging dialogue with top-tier athletes and influential figures.

Transcript

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[Unnamed Co-Host]

What'd you say?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said I'm sick of seeing him post stuff about he fight a Saint Laurent and all this and all that.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Hey, hey. God love the cheerful giver, doesn't he?

[Sarah Spain]

Isn't that what the Bible say?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that is. Chad Ocho. Cinco Johnson. We got a jam packed show for you today. We got undisputed heavyweight champ Clarissa Shields joining us at the top of the show and. And then we got Wuang clan member Wake Raekan joining us a little later. Please make sure you guys hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. We'd like to thank each and every one of you, your eyes, your ears, and your word of mouth for making Nightcap what it is today. Without you, there can be no us. So we greatly, greatly appreciate your support and your continued support. Make sure you check out Shea by La Portier. We do have it in stock. If you can't find it in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door, but best believe we're coming to a city or state near you. The best tasting VSOP cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. That link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. So without. Without no further introduction, here she is, two time Olympic champ, 16 wins, 3 KOs. The undisputed heavyweight women's champion of the world, Clarissa Shields. Clarissa, how are you?

[Sarah Spain]

Hey. I'm good. How are you guys?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're doing amazing. Okay. You're going to be defending your heavyweight championship this weekend in Detroit. You take on Lanny Daniels at the Little Caesars Arena. I mean, you just fought a couple of weeks ago, Carissa. Damn, you fight like the old school fighter used to fight.

[Sarah Spain]

I fought in February. It's a while ago.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So let me ask you this. So you try to fight. How many times are you realistically, ideally, would you like to fight? A year? Two year? Three? A year?

[Sarah Spain]

I would love to fight. I don't know. Is my phone frozen on you guys?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. The video's frozen, but we can hear you. She'll be back. She's having. She's having some technical difficulties. You know, that happens. I mean, hey, welcome to the world of television. Live television, because this is unrehearsed, Ocho. We don't get the cuts. Don't worry about it. We can go back and pick it up and we'll start from where we left off. You're back. Now, I ask, I say, ideally, how many times a year would you like to fight?

[Sarah Spain]

I think three to four times is good for me. You know, I think that I go in there, I win. I don't really get scratched up and banged up too bad. Yeah, so three to four is good for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're taking on Lanny Daniels in Detroit. Little Caesars. What do you hope to accomplish? Because, and by many estimations, you are the. You know, it's a short list. You. And we're gonna talk about that a little later. The greatest women boxers ever. So it's only a really short list. So taking on her, I mean, what, what do we hope to accomplish in this? What are we.

[Clarissa Shields]

What.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What are we gonna get? When you do what you always do, come out here victorious.

[Sarah Spain]

So, Shannon, there's only one greatest woman of all time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay. Okay. Bye.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

By bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bye together, sis.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Talk to him now.

[Sarah Spain]

And that is me. Okay, but what you can look forward to see if on Saturday, I don't know if you guys watched the all women's card that happened with MVP July 11th up in math Square Garden. A lot of those girls that fought were good. They were ranked number two, three and four in the world. But number one did not, did not fight. So you didn't get to see the skills and the power and everything that I possess. So that's what you're going to see on Saturday. And I'm bringing, you know, I'm packing the house with 15, 000 people. I'm well over a million dollars at the gate already. We're gonna do probably close to $2 million at the gate. I mean, I'm, I am coming on a. I'm, I'm coming out to put on a show. Yeah, a show for the people. And I'm coming there and I'm bringing power, I'm bringing skills. I bring your speed. And I want to show you why I wear these greatest woman of all time chains. Okay.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Hold on, I got a question. Listen, I, I love, I'm a boxing enthusiast. I love, I love this. I love the sweet science. Always have. And been a fan of yours for a.

[Sarah Spain]

Thank you.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

All that you've accomplished to date to this point, obviously, being the greatest woman of all time, how do you stay motivated? How do you stay motivated to want more? After this fight against Lanny Daniels, what's next? First, just talk to me about the motivation and what keeps you going once you've already achieved so much in the sport that you love.

[Sarah Spain]

Right now I'm 16 0. Right. And I'm the only four time undisputed champion and five divisions and. Did I say 17 time world champion already?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I think, come on, talk to me now.

[Sarah Spain]

And, and it's like, you know what? I want to retire and I want them to say, oh, Clarissa was 50 time world champion. You know, Clarissa was undefeated. She fought against the best. She didn't duck nobody. She made the best fight. She showcased her skills against anybody. She was dominant. You know, that motivates me and like the fact that, you know, not many doubters out there who believe that I'm not the greatest woman of all time. Right? But if there is any, that's. That motivates me to make them be fans. You know, like, they may not like me, but they will respect my craft and know that, okay, we may not like her for whatever their reasons are, but still respect my craft and know that I'm the best at what I do. And when I'm the best at what I do, you really can't judge me because you're not the best at what you do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So in other words, you're saying you're trying to convince all. You're trying to convert all those non believers into believers.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes, yes.

[Sarah Spain]

Like Jesus did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. There's news that came out. You and Layla Ali, who you know at, when she was fighting, she was the greatest woman boxer of all time. Here come you. And you guys have been going back and forth, and I think it's being reported or you said you got 15 million. You say you wanted 15 million. Well, we got that. And now. So if you were to fight her, Clarissa, let me. Can I say this? I don't really see the upside for you, because if you beat her, she's almost 50, she's 47.

[Sarah Spain]

And. And she said out her own mouth for the past couple of years how this thing even first started. She said she will not come out of retirement and fight nobody because nobody was good enough to give her a challenge knowing that me and her fought at the same weight class. And people think that I start the beef, but she said that, and. And I'm the number one pom pom woman in the world. We fighting at the same weight class. I got the belts, I got the Olympic gold medals. She even said, I think when she's on a broadcast, when I was going for my first Olympic gold medal, she said, oh, if they would, they had the Olympics back when I was coming up, I would have won an Olympic gold medal. And she wouldn't have. She wouldn't have. I'm being honest with you.

[Clarissa Shields]

Right?

[Sarah Spain]

She wouldn't have. You know, everything that Layla says about me, she's saying about herself. She says that I'm not, like, I don't have enough skills to be her. She don't have enough skills to even compete with me. The only thing that thing that Layla has is her size. She is a big woman. I mean, big hands, big feet, big head. Like, Laila is a big lady, you know?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you really feel, Clarissa?

[Sarah Spain]

No, I'm saying, like, she's still a beautiful woman, don't get me wrong. But she's a big lady.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you saying that's a big target. You said big head. Big head means big target.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah. And if we was to fight, I would hit that big target.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How did the relationship. Let me ask you this. I'm gonna sit back and let you take it.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How did the relationship sour her when she did that?

[Sarah Spain]

She goes on this interview and says, oh, I will come out of retirement, but there's no one good enough to give me a challenge. There's no one. Like, no one skilled enough. No one's strong enough. I can just come out of retirement. After being out the. Being out the ring at this time, it probably was, like, 13 plus years. So she's saying that she can not box for 13 years in a professional boxing match. And there's nobody who would give her a challenge if she was to come to come out of retirement. And then she even said she would knock me out. So therefore, people have to understand. Yeah, people got to understand, like, I don't take stuff like that lightly. It's like, you know what? Put your money where your mouth is. I don't want to keep talking about Layla. I actually quit talking about her years ago because I'm like, you know what? A fight's never gonna happen. Every year she's getting older. She's never going to come out of retirement. Whatever. And then she come out and say, oh, the rumor I heard is If Clarissa got 15, 20 million, then I'll. Well, I got your 15 million. Now what? Now what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You call it a bluff. You call the bluff, Clarissa.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah. And. And we are still waiting to hear a response.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Wait, so you. You are. You are. You are dead serious. Regardless of age, regardless of how long and since you've been out the ring, you will still get in the ring and fight her.

[Sarah Spain]

Layla told y' all herself, she is a healthy 47. She ain't old and ran down. She said she work out. She still box. She jump rope, she run. This what she said. I didn't say it. She said it, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're still 47.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

Hey, well, people need to act. You know, when they say, at your age. Right, well, we'll act 47, because you don't want to come messing with the young lion who's hungry. I like who got the 15 million to make a fight happen. You know you don't do that.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Well, I. I have a question, and I'm. I'm not. I'm not Cleo. I'm not known for predicting the future, but. But I already know based on what I've seen. Your resume speaks for itself. Everything you've done in the ring to date speaks for itself. Your last fight, if I'm not mistaken, was February. I don't remember the exact date, but I did watch the fight. Hell, a performance. Your fight, July 26th, this Saturday, 6. Lany Daniels. What's after that? After you beat Ms. Daniels, this is no disrespect to her and her camp and what. What they're. What they're working on and hoping to accomplish, but we.

[Sarah Spain]

We.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

We know how the end result is going to be. What's next after that.

[Sarah Spain]

You know, I would love, like I said, to lock in the fight with Layla Ali. January, February, next year, T Mobile arena reached out to us and want to host a fight. Cop boy, stay. Don't want to host the fight. Be the biggest women's boxing match in history. And it's 15 million for her, so I don't know what she waiting on, but I know when I turn 47, I wish one of these young girls would try to test my gangster. I'm coming right back to get that money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If it's 15 for her, what is it for you?

[Sarah Spain]

We don't need to worry about what I'm getting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.

[Sarah Spain]

No, because first of all, you know, I'm the. I'm the A side. I'm the champion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Talk to him.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Let him know.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah, let's not, you know, boom. But it's more of like a still. If this was your number, we got the number, right? We got the number. So if you think you can beat me up and I'm just so not skilled, and I ain't got no power, and I ain't good. Okay, But. But if that fight doesn't happen with Layla, I wanted to have one more fight this year. Listen, man, anybody. Shadesha Green, she just became champion recently. A rematch with a franchise rules. Yes. Cannot mess with me. She can't with me at all. But whatever. She got a belt, so if she want to get banged up, she can get banged up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you take her belt. How many belts you need, Clarissa? Damn, you got like seven.

[Sarah Spain]

I. I got 17, but I need 50.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I told you that I I have one more question. I. I have one more question, and I, I understand there's a weight difference, obviously, the possibility if, if it's even possible for, for you to come down or for her to go up with Ms. Bumgarner. Is that, Is that, Is that, Is it any way that's even possible?

[Sarah Spain]

You got to be joking, man.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I, I'm just, I'm just asking, Mama.

[Sarah Spain]

So, so, so, so one. So one. Me and Alicia, we. We kind of squashed our beef, you know, privately.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay. Okay.

[Sarah Spain]

Alicia know that it's the difference between being good and great.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes, ma'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Am.

[Sarah Spain]

And she's working her way toward being great, you know, and she just ain't got enough. She ain't got enough ass behind her to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, she ain't got enough bricks in.

[Sarah Spain]

Her back pocket to be able to, to stand up.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

That's why I asked. That's why I asked. I mean.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah, but you coming down, that's all. If it was a fight that could be made, the lowest would be 154 for me.

[Clarissa Shields]

Right.

[Sarah Spain]

She had to come to 54. And I think I saw her last year, she said she weighed 147 back when she was doing her, you know, f. Clarissa Shields tour, back when we was beefing, and she got up to 147. So if she could, you know, come up to 54 and I go down to 54, I would love to make a fight with her just to prove to her, listen, I can kill myself to make this weight and then still come out here and beat you in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A boxing match, but let me ask you this. What about a rehydration clause? Because she's. They're probably going to want that. Because that, I mean, you're coming down. You're coming down a couple of weight classes to get to 54.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah, I'm not going to do no, no rehydration clause. Because when you understand how you lose weight and how much water isn't water is important, you don't. You don't play those type of games. So I would never put myself in danger like that to where, like, I can make the weight but not been able to read, to read, to rehydrate, rehydrate. It's just not good.

[Clarissa Shields]

Right.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Understandable, understandable. But, hey, can I, Can I put my hat. Can I put my hat in the, in the ring room?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So listen, if the fight happens with you and Layla Ali, for whatever reason, whatever the date may be, can I be on the undercard, please? I'm asking ahead of time.

[Sarah Spain]

I just knew you was going to say something about you fighting today. I just knew it. I knew it.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Ocho, listen, me and Andre Ward, we got some unfinished business.

[Sarah Spain]

Like, who do you want to fight?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Me and Andre Ward, we got some unfinished business.

[Sarah Spain]

Oh, Jo. Single. We. We got to match you up fairly.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

No, that. That's fair, sis.

[Clarissa Shields]

It's fair.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

My hands are registered in.

[Clarissa Shields]

In.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

In the state of Nevada.

[Sarah Spain]

Andre. Andre Ward, you said yes. My.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, licensed people, they lump up easy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Ward Hines. Ward not Andre Hines.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah, you gonna have to go with, like, maybe a KSI.

[Clarissa Shields]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Don't do me like that. Don't do me like that. Don't do it like that. Listen, he.

[Sarah Spain]

He.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Listen, we've been going at it back and forth for a very long time, similar to how you and Alicia were, similar to how you and Layla Ali are. So me and Aria. Well, we have to. We have to squash this beef that we have.

[Clarissa Shields]

It's.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

It's a.

[Sarah Spain]

You know, sometimes the only way to squash the beef is to fight.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Thank you.

[Sarah Spain]

I tell people that sometimes you gotta get it out the way.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Thank you.

[Clarissa Shields]

So put.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Put us on the undercard, please. That's all.

[Sarah Spain]

So. So if I get mad, I will definitely let my team know we need to get Ocho and Andre Ward on. I promise you, I will keep that in my mind and let them know. Listen, this is on tape. Okay, I see you.

[Clarissa Shields]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Sarah Spain]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm putting this. I'm putting this out right now with the hands. Now, if Ocho fight Andre Ward, I'm looking for a new partner for Nightcap.

[Sarah Spain]

Damn.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You don't believe in me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, not against Audrey Ward.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Hold on. Time out, time out, time out. If this happens, I go in there with a knight with the nightcap trunks, the nightcap robe, you know, and you know, I'm representing us. You gonna bet against me? Against your boy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he probably knock em off you. So they be in the ring. I just go in the ring and get them.

[Sarah Spain]

So I got a question for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, ma'.

[Unnamed Community Advocate]

Am.

[Sarah Spain]

If you have a boxing match, who would you want to fight against?

[Shannon Sharpe]

If I had a boxing match?

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Clarissa, I'm 57. I don't want to box nobody.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Don't do that.

[Sarah Spain]

Don't do that because they got other men. That's 57. Who you. Who you want to punch in the face, man? Talk to us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I don't got you all. I ain't got no beef no more.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Nah, Unc, man, we can't do that, man.

[Sarah Spain]

I don't know.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You got to stand on business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Sarah Spain]

Oh, no. I punch a few folks in the face.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You got.

[Sarah Spain]

You got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you chose the right profession because it seemed like you got a. You got some anger issues going on, Clarissa, that you have to resolve once you get into the square. Damn. Have you always. So let me ask you, as a child, did you. Did you fight a lot as a child? Were you confrontational as a child? I mean, somebody say something to Clarissa, you like, it's on site.

[Sarah Spain]

People was confrontational to me. I wasn't confrontational.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You were the quiet one.

[Sarah Spain]

Yep. I didn't know how to talk till I was 5, and I stuttered real bad till I was 11 years old. I couldn't even talk completely, and people bullied me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, that's.

[Sarah Spain]

And that's what made me angry. Like, despite the stuff that I went through at home, now I'm. Now I'm going to school. Kids is pulling my hair. Kids is taking my homework and copying it and ripping it up. And so I went through that first, second, first, and second grade. And then when third grade came, it was over. I was kicking butt. I was kicking ass, man. It was over for them after that. And I learned that when you st. When you stick up for yourself, people leave you alone. I didn't start boxing till sixth grade, so from the time third grade all the way to the sixth, I had gotten to a few little street fights, but they always started with people picking with me. I never picked with people. I. I really didn't want to fight because I didn't know if I. If I could fight my. It was my anger that drove me to push people, punch people, grab them, and just see and, you know, see what I could do. But the first fight that I ever got into was with my little sister, Brianna. And when I tell you Brianna whooped my ass when I was eight. Eight, nine years old, Brianna beat the. Out of me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You didn't want to go through that anymore.

[Sarah Spain]

No. Sister was a menace to society, man. She used to do so much mean stuff to me growing up, man. I'm telling you, it was wild.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But let me. Let me. Let me ask you this, Clarissa. If you could fight any woman, past or present, obviously Layla Lee is on the. On the car, because, you know, the big payday you're talking about is probably a million plus pay per view buys. Probably. If it's at Jerry's World, you're talking about 70, 80,000 fans. If it t mobile. You'll probably sell that out. But if. I mean, who would you like to fight? Would you like to fight an Wolf? Would you like to fight Christy Martin, the coal miner's daughter? Who would you like to fight?

[Sarah Spain]

I would. I would. Stop Christy Martin. That's not even a competition.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, she a little small for you?

[Sarah Spain]

I would. I would knock her out. So now, next, the only other woman. That'll be a dream fight for me, if I would have to say, one, being being Ann Wolf, and two, Katie Taylor. Katie, because her skills are phenomenal. The girl can box, can bang. She can figure it out. She's a highly competitive thinker inside the ring, and she wins all her fights that way. She may not knock you out, but she gonna outthink you. And I would love to share the ring with her if we were near the same size. But she's 140, and like I said, lowest I can go is 154.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Sarah Spain]

And then as far as in Ann Wolf.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, and was. She was. She was. She was vicious.

[Clarissa Shields]

People.

[Sarah Spain]

People know Layla because Layla had the name, and Layla was a good boxer. But for Layla and. And Wolf to be in the same weight class and to never fight and camp in the same era, we all know Layla Ali ducked Ann Wolf. And why did she duck an Wolf? Because an Wolf would knock your damn head off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

And that's a fight even. I watched the an wolf documentary on YouTube when I was a kid. I watched her push trucks and punch bags and lift weights. And if you look up an Wolf vs. Vonda ward, the biggest knockout in women's boxing. I dream to have a knockout like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

I. A dream match between her and I, I would love to have. Only because I don't think I can be knocked out. But with her in the first three rounds, I had to be very worried about that. I think I can box and I can move and I can figure her out, and I got enough power to. To deal with my own. But, man, she catching them first three rounds is. It's some stuff you got to fight through. So that would be a dream fight for me if we was in the same era and. And we were fighting. But that would be somebody who I'm like, yo, that's a woman who I'm kind of intimidated by. And just to mention her, she's coming to my fight on Saturday to support me and be there for me, and this is one of my idols, you know, And I'm just so happy that she's coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you need. If People don't know about an wolf. You need to, you need to Google her or YouTube or whatever you need to do because she definitely had dynamite in her hands. I mean, she was a vicious. She was ferocious.

[Sarah Spain]

She was.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So I have one more question. Hold on, hold on. I got one more question. Listen, we know how great you are. Greatest woman of all time when it comes to come to boxing. What other passion, once you're done playing, I'm talking about playing once you're done boxing. Once the sweet science. Once you hang the gloves up, what other hobbies are you interested in? What else is it that you like to do outside of the ring?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club. We go behind the scenes and explore the stories of those involved.

[Unnamed Soccer Analyst]

San Diego coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team.

[Unnamed Community Advocate]

We need veteran players and we need young players. Like you're building a team from scratch and so the succession plan of long term success needs to be defined. Find we need to embrace this community.

[Unnamed Soccer Analyst]

When I was 13, my uncle took me to a qualifier and we watched Paraguay against Chile. Pouring rain. Just watching the fans jumping up and down, I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me. Not only was that going to be my game, but it was going to be my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the Flow now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sarah Spain]

Music. I just had my listening party today and it went very well. You know, Everybody, I had nine songs and they rated all my songs 10. I was so shocked.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

There we go.

[Sarah Spain]

I like music and honestly, I'm a big community person. I want to train young girls and young boys who come from environments that I grew up in and I want to teach them boxing. So boxing, boxing can help them. Like it helped me, you know, it really changed my life and helped me redirect my anger and I really don't look like what I've, what I've been through. So I want to give back to communities and help people learn self defense. And I mean, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have kids within my career so I don't have to stop my career to do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So yeah, let me ask you, let's say this for the sake of argument. Leila says, you know what, Clarissa, you want this work, I'm gonna give you this work. But I want you to put that chain up. I want you to put the Gloat up. And if I beat you, I don't ever want to hear you say, mention greatest woman of all time. I don't want that. I want that chain. You gonna put the chain up?

[Sarah Spain]

I mean, she want the little one or the big one?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want. He want that one right there because.

[Sarah Spain]

That'S the one that caught 100k right here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what, that's what she want.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah, she, she come out of retirement and she shut me up and beat me up. I, I, I will put.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You put it around the neck.

[Sarah Spain]

I'll put it on the neck and I'll snap it close for. And let her. You can have it, boo.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You can have.

[Sarah Spain]

That's. But that's how confident I know that this ain't what she want. This ain't what you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Clarissa, you seem very happy. You seem very happy. Now, maybe it's because a lot of your, your personal life has been made public, and maybe you had someone in your life that was behind the scenes. But watching you, you know, we know some of the same people. We know Jamie Fritz, but watching you now, you seem a lot more at peace. You seem a lot, A lot more happy than you were in the past. Am I assuming too much? Am I reading too much into your body language and the way you're moving now?

[Sarah Spain]

No, I have to say that one. I'm, I'm 30 years old now, but I can say that since I've met Pep, I met Papoose, he has brought a whole different woman out of me, I guess. Like, I listen to him, he can tell me to be quiet. Okay. And he know how to fight, you know, so I can't bully him around and push him around. And, you know, he is just so. He's so kind to me and he's so helpful that I've always had to do everything myself, you know, and that's dealing with my family, dealing with my friends, doing my business. I've had to do everything myself since 17 years old. And now I have somebody that really, like, have my back and my best interest and who, I mean, looks after me when I don't even want him looking after me. Like, he's so protected. And, you know, I think that with him, I wouldn't be able to, like, I would, I would be happy because I was working on my happiness before I met him. But meeting him, it just gave me, like, I think when you find your person, you can just talk to him about anything and about any problem. Like, I call him and listen, I talk more Than a little bit. You know, I call him about everything and I mean he always has his ear open to communicate and talk with me and give me great advice and also to let me know, like, look, you wrong here, you know, And I just appreciate that. It's so many tweets and so many posts that I was about to put up. He like, don't, don't, don't do it. Because he knows my bigger picture and he's helping me get to that. So I think that with him helping me and him being so supportive and him being so kind to me is really just, I don't know, I feel like I have, I have a great, a great partner in crime and we, and we going somewhere special.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah, you can, you can say that he's, I mean, he's made me more womanly. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I like that, I like that, I think to someone to share that because I guess for the longest time I heard you, you know, talk. I've seen you on different platforms and you're talking about how your family, when you became successful, even though you did all of that, they still, some of them turned their back on you and still the more you gave, the more you they wanted. And it said, and you said, yeah, and I, and I took, took note of this. You said they didn't want what you gave them. They want what you had.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What do you mean by that? Tell our chat that didn't hear you on other platforms. Talk about that. What did you mean by that?

[Sarah Spain]

They don't, they don't want what you give them. You can give them a hundred dollars, you can give them a car, you can give them a house, you can give them food. They don't, they, they don't want that. They want what you have. So what do you have? You got a nice house, you got the popping YouTube channels, you got the million dollar partnerships and endorsements and sponsorships. They want that. They don't want. When you giving them a thousand dollars and ten thousand and fifteen thousand dollars when you helping them, when you paying their bills, you buying them cars, they don't want that. They want your car, they want your house.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you work for that. They didn't.

[Sarah Spain]

Absolutely. And that's where for a long time, you know, I didn't know how to say no. And when I started saying no, that's what people who I said yes to before hundreds of times had the biggest issue. That's when it was, oh, she bougie. Oh, she don't care about her family. She don't take care of nobody. And, you know, out of everything that I've been through, the hardest one to deal with doing that was my younger sister because we came up together, right? You know, and she got three kids, and I help her take care of her kids. Like, all her kids call me Mama. Like, her kids is my kids. We. She have 11 year old, a 8 year old and a 5 year old, and it's my little niece. And no, nobody would. People think that I have kids because I have them so much. And, you know, I'm the type of auntie where I'm sending groceries every week, I'm buying clothes, I'm buying school clothes. So for me, the hardest part, when I start going through that, a lot of other people did it too, but it was her that really hurt me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because she was the closest.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah. And we got same mama, same daddy. And she really is like, people see me as this light and shining, you know, star, but Brianna is my darkness. You know, she is my darkness and she's the opposite of me. But she understands that I got that same darkness inside of me. I just show the light all the time. But she's like, how I am inside the ring. Brianna is like that every single day of her life. She will literally put hands on you. Like, she will knock you out. Like, she send me videos of her fighting all the time. Like, Brianna, you need to stop. But she will knock your head clean off, you know, and you need to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get on some glove then. Clarissa, have you had a conversation with your sister? Did you tell your sister, like, this hurts me after everything that I've done for you and your kids, which are my nieces and nephews, after everything that I've done, Bri, really? This is the way you behave? This is the way you act towards me?

[Sarah Spain]

Social media has its pros and cons, but when she seen an interview that I did with Andre Ward and where I was crying, you know, she called me and she said, everybody talking about, it's hard at the top. She said, well, damn, it's hard at the bottom too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's not your fault.

[Sarah Spain]

No, but I'm like. I'm like, what you mean? She was like, riz, you know, I'm struggling all the time and you're not. So that's where her animosity came from. Like, even though I was, you know, even though I was helping her, people getting in her mind and in her head telling her, yo, sister should do more for you. And it was like, yep, yep, my girl.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Listen, we done all been through done.

[Sarah Spain]

A lot for you. So when we talk, she was like, rest. She, you know, one. We went four months without talking, which my family knows that I don't do that. I talk. My mom and my dad even, they. They make me upset. I still talk to them. I really went on like a hiatus where I ain't talked to my sister for like four months. And then she would have the kids call me and I would only talk to the kids and I wouldn't talk to her. And it went on for four months. And one day she just hit me and was like, look, I want my sister back. You know, I'm sorry. I messed up. I never do it again. And, you know, it is what it is, you know, you know that I got you through whatever, you know, but I just feel like, yo, where I'm trying to get to in my career, I can't have you going live on Facebook, lying on me, telling folks not to get tickets to the fights. And like, I can't. I can't have that. And I mean, it. It. It was deep the stuff that she did, but she had people, you know, in her ear.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because that's your sister. You know, normally when family says something about an individual because they're so close, y' all grew up together. This is not some arbitrary, some willy nilly person talking. This is your blood sister.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah. And that was the problem that I had was everybody took her word for first, for. For face value when it. And then I didn't want to get on a social media back and defend myself because it was like, oh, I'm trying to be above that. But I. I literally had to. It started affecting ticket sales for my last. For my fight. Was it two years ago?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

And I'm like, it was a week of the fight. You know, so she tell people. Oh, she on her with crocodile tears. You know, don't come to the fight. She don't support her family. She bought one of her friends the house, which I did not. But people believe that.

[Unnamed Community Advocate]

Yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

It was like I had to Clarissa and try to clear it up. But, you know, people love negativity more than.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Before you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

That issue that you having. Clarissa, all athletes. Not just all athletes. I can only speak from. From our perspective and playing football and. And having to talk to rookie before. And learning to say no. Because your family, when it comes to your family, your family will drain you. They would drain you. Because in the hard part for athletes and. And players, they have to understand it's okay to take care of your family, it's okay to enjoy the fruits of your labor and, and blessing those back that help you along the way. But those that take, they have no limits because they don't, they don't understand what it took to get to that point. There's a reason they have nothing Sometimes, you know, obviously they're unfortunate circumstances that happen, but when one person makes it, they expect that one person to be the gold ticket, the golden ticket. And they continue to take over and over and over and never knowing when to stop until that well run dry. So at some point, the hard part of, of being the one that makes it out the family is knowing when to say no. Because at some point, if you continue to pull that water from the well, at some point, it can run dry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I agree, Clarissa. I think the thing is what I tell people, you're you, that is a great gesture if you choose to help brother, sister, cousin, aunt, uncle, but you're not no obligation.

[Sarah Spain]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See people, See, people got this notion because we came up in the same house or I saw you from a child, or I changed diapers on you, that that obligates you to take care of someone for the rest of their life or buy them a house or buy them a car out of the kindness of your heart. That is, that is an unbelievable gesture. But we've got to stop trying to put that burden, trying to guilt people in. Cause the first thing they gonna say, you know what they say? Clarissa and I had this in Ocho. I know you've had it. If it was me, I'd help you.

[Sarah Spain]

It's the one. If I was you, I help you more than you help me. So they don't even care about how much you're helping them. They just saying, oh, I'll do way more for you. And I'm like, no, no, you wouldn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the first thing, and when there's no more money and somebody said, man, what happened to all Clarissa's money, man? I don't know what she did with that money. I gave it to you. I tried to help you. You, you, you, you. And now I ain't got no money. Ain't nobody got no money. And now y' all talking about y' all don't know where the money went.

[Sarah Spain]

I had to, I had to tell myself. I said, listen, if I was to stop boxing today and I have another dollar, who would pay my bills? I got a four thousand dollar mortgage on my 750, 000 house up in Atlanta, okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you at the crib. Then, okay.

[Sarah Spain]

I own a few cribs, you know. You're talking to a boss.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Come on now, come on, come on now. Let him know I got hold on you.

[Sarah Spain]

I'm gonna run on list on you. Don't be in my business now. But I own houses and cars. I'll just be out here with the bling bling. Oto, I'm like you.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

You know what I'm saying?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Sometimes, yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

Some stuff you see and be like, hold on. That right there's a knockoff, but this right here. Knockoff. You know what I'm saying?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Talk to me now. Come on now.

[Sarah Spain]

You know, so no, for me, it was like I said, if I was to stop right now, who will pay these bills, these car notes, you know, pay for how I like eat. I like to eat. I'm heavyweight. I like to eat steak and eat at the finest places. So I'm like, right now, I'm probably my bills all together, probably about $10,000 a month with all my bills together, right? So it was like right now, if I had to freeze my bank account and I. And I couldn't use my money, who would help me pay that $10,000, make sure that I got my house, my car, my insurance, everything? Who will help do that? And it's sad to say, but it's not many folks who you can rely on or people to even team up, you know? So that's why I'd be like, hey.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I'm so glad you just said that. I'm so glad you just said that. For those that are in the chat, I'm not sure how much you help your family, but I know everyone else is going to see this, especially my fellow athletes, whatever it is you play rappers, whether it be like, just think about that hypothetically. Like Clarissa just said, if just so happened, God happened, you ran out, everything go through your phone right now. And whatever your overhead is, a month or whatever you may need, who can you call on your phone right now that you know, no matter what they gonna say, yes. That you. Yes.

[Sarah Spain]

I could tell you right now, my best friend Nene will probably be like, hey, I can't pay your $10,000, but you can come stay with me and I make sure you eat every day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

Until you get back on your feet. But ain't nobody gonna be like, hey, we got 10,000 for your money. Oh, you know, Pat. Pat will take care of me. He'll take care of me.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, right.

[Sarah Spain]

But I'm thinking about, like, not my relationship, but you Know, family and stuff. It's not. It's not one person I could. I could call for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Clarissa, thanks for stopping by. Good luck on the fight. And please, please, if this fight is to get made with you and Laila Ali, please come back on Nightcap.

[Sarah Spain]

Of course. I'm supposed to come back and do like the. Do. Do the big one with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sarah Spain]

I'm supposed to do Club Shay with you. So let me know.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Let the. You talk about after this fight, the next fight that she does do, I'm on the undercard, remember?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, we talking about this. I told you. I told you five nights a week. I don't need you to bring your black ass back. I'm talking to her.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I told you all the time. Clarissa, good luck. Go ahead. What are you gonna say?

[Sarah Spain]

Yes. So just. I want to celebrate something just with my fans and. And with y' all fans too. This is my first gate where I've done over a million dollars. Well over a million dollars. This is my first gate. We have over 15, 000 people who have bought tickets to come to the fight. I am so just overjoyed by that. So all the fans who are listening, all my fans who love me, thank y' all so much. It's only a few tickets left, so I want to be able to say once we. Once I win this fight, you know, we had a sold out Little Caesar's arena here in Detroit. So please get the rest of your tickets on Ticketmaster. It's not that many left. All the floor seats are gone. And even if you're not coming to the fight, you a little $50 ticket. Even if you ain't coming, just so I can say I sold out. So help me out. Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Congratulations on all your success.

[Clarissa Shields]

Thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two time gold Olympic gold medal winning boxer, a undefeated heavyweight champion. 17 time world champs. Thank you, Clarissa. Good luck on Saturday and we hope to see you soon.

[Sarah Spain]

Thank you. Appreciate y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Sarah Spain]

Thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you. Clarissa Shields. Man, it was great talking to her to see, you know, obviously she channeled that what she was going through as a child. You know, she said she didn't speak till she was five. She had a speech impediment to. She was 11 and she got tired of being bullied. She got tired of being picked on. And she channeled that into something good. And to see her what she overcame and to see her turn into a two time Olympic gold medal winning boxer, the heavyweight undisputed heavyweight champion of women's boxing. 17 time world champ. She is to be commended. Congratulations and continued success. Clarissa.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

She is the real deal. It's one thing, I don't think people understand how difficult it is. Right. Well, not difficult, but it's easy to be angry, it's easy to get, but it's one thing to be able to take that anger and put an environment and channel it in a relaxed manner.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Controlled chaos. That's all it is. That's all about this. Controlled chaos.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You know, oh, man, that's a. It's a beautiful thing. Especially when you watch it done right the way she does it. It's an awesome thing to see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's unbelievable. Ocho. Okay, let's switch gears. Michael Parsons spoke at training camp today about the lack of a new deal. Let's listen to what he had to say.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club. We go behind the scenes and explore the stories of those involved.

[Unnamed Soccer Analyst]

San Diego coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team.

[Unnamed Community Advocate]

We need veteran players and we need young players. Like, you're building a team from scratch and so the succession plan of long term success needs to be defined. We need to embrace this community.

[Unnamed Soccer Analyst]

When I was 13, my uncle took me to a qualifier and we watched Paraguay against Chile, pouring rain. Just watching the fans jumping up and down, I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me. Not only was that going to be my game, but it was going to be my life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the Flow now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Clarissa Shields]

Thank you very much.

[Michael Parsons]

Discouraged by the fact that it's taking this long, honestly. Yeah. When you go around the league and you see these other teams taking care of their best guys, I see TJ got taken care of, you know, Max got taken care of, Miles got taken care of and he got two years left on his deal. So it's hard.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah.

[Michael Parsons]

You see a lot of people around legal taking care of. You just, you know, wish you had something like, you know, that same type of energy, you know, it's hard to.

[Clarissa Shields]

Not take it personally.

[Michael Parsons]

I wouldn't say it's hard not to take it personally when, you know, how there's a. When there's a, you know, chain of events of something consistently happening over the course of years. I mean, you kind of See it, but before, through other players and things. So you don't take that. You don't take a person when you're like, all right, this. It's not like I'm getting treated differently than anyone else, you know, So I don't take it personal. I just. I just don't understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you can see the hurt.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can hear it because you.

[Sarah Spain]

You hear him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you hear what he said? He said, they took care of T.J. they took care of Max, they took care of Miles. Danielle Hunter got a new deal because Danielle Hunter deal was after Max Crosby.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Crosby got 35 and a half. Dell got 35.6. And then what you call them, jump way to 40. And now TJ comes in at 41 and he's like, look. Look at all these guys. I've been consistent. No, I haven't won a Defensive Player of the Year like tj I haven't won a Defensive Player of the Year like Miles Garrett, but I've gone to the Pro bowl every single year. I was a Rookie of the Year. I've been an all Pro player. So where is, you know, what about the reward for my work? And I said. And I. And. And. And he was bank. He was nicked up. And so that's why the product even nicked up. He still got 12 and a half. What? 13. 12 and a half. 13 facts. Even Nick.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's going out there giving you everything you. Everything that he possibly can. And to have my owner says that about me. Look, you can feel any type of way, right? I already know how you feel. I think I know how you feel because you haven't rewarded my play. Right. 26. I don't want you to pay me for what I've done because I've gone to the Pro Bowls. I've gone to. I've been an All Pro. I've been defensive Rookie of the Year. You compensated me for that. You holding up is telling me that you doubt that I can continue what I've been, what I've started. Yeah, I. I don't. I don't get Jerry. And some things are not for me to understand, but I don't understand this, right?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So one thing I. One thing I thought about always thinking about this. And in Michael Parsons situation, he can't take it personal because you've seen Jerry do this to multiple players. He did the deck. He did the same thing to CD Lamb. He did the same thing to Ezekiel Elliot. You told me multiple stories about situations that have gone on with Emmet Smith. With Jimmy Johnson. So this is just him in general most of the time. You think about it, the owner like Jerry Jones, obviously the most profitable franchise in sports in general, the Dallas Cowboys, they're starting the helmet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not to cut you off, Ocho. I just saw a thing today because. Because the Green Bay packers are publicly traded because they're a sheriff.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I saw that too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every chat, every team. All 32 teams.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

$432.5 million. Let me repeat, 432 million. Now that's what they got from the TV and all the league wide deals. That's not local TV, that's not local radio, that's not concession, that's not parking, that's not ticket sales, that's not merchandise.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's one big stream. They got six other buckets that they can pull from. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So the Dallas Cowboys, obviously Jerry Jones is in the making money. We understand what his bottom line is. Obviously the bottom line isn't about winning because the NFL is a copycat. League owners see what other owners do. And if you want to, if you want to win games, if you want to compete and build a team that can hopefully help you reach the Super Bowl, I mean, you just copy what you see other owners do. But the Philadelphia Eagles is right down the street.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jeffrey Lurie, it ain't that.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

It ain't that hard. You see what Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman do every single year. They pay the players. None of their players are. Cruse me. None of their players are complaining or sitting on the sideline or holding out or doing interviews. Nor are they in front of the camera every chance they get because they have one end goal, one end goal in life in mind. Just as the players we coming in trying to get a Super Bowl. It's about business. And their business is about winning. Jerry think about no winning, man. Jerry is trying to show I'm in control. I'm going to make you wait. The longer I make you wait, the more attention we as a Cowboys team get. He continues to do the same thing each and every year with his star players. And then taking shots at him publicly lets me know. It gives me a clearer picture and a clearer indicate indication that he's really not serious about putting a team together that can win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at, look at Kansas City. Kansas City will play their players. And they say, you know what? You've been great here. We can't pay you. We're going to put somewhere. We'll put you somewhere where you can. Yes, luxurious need. We can't pay you. But what if we were to trade you to somewhere that can trade you?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at what they did. Look at what they did to Pat Mahone. They're taking care of Kelsey. They took care of all their receivers until Tyreek priced himself out of Kansas City. Because they had other things. They knew they had Chris Jones. They just signed Coloftus.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, they got. They're gonna have to do something with McDuffie. They, Bolton, Trey Smith. They took care of him.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They paid Buckner, the kicker.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Teams that are serious, they get it done.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Hey, it's. But it's hard, huh? It's hard because you have an owner who understands the value in the franchise. You have an owner who understands. How do I continue to keep the news on me? How do I continue to keep the news on us? Despite not winning the past 30 years, news cycles continuously talk about three teams. The Cowboys, the Lakers and the Yankees. Whether winning or whether losing, they always in the news. They always in the cycle. So Jerry has mastered that in being able to manipulate situations to where the attention is always on them.

[Clarissa Shields]

And he.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

He's done it phenomenally. You look at the news today, huh? The news today, Washington, ESPN. Training camp has started. It's 32 teams. We talk about the Cowboys all day.

[Sarah Spain]

Like, what in the hell is going on?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

So now I get to the point where. Wait a minute. Well, Jerry playing mind games with everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He doing on purpose.

[Sarah Spain]

He doing this on purpose.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe. We got a special guest joining us, joining us with his eight student eighth studio album, Emperor's new Clothes out to mass appeal featuring Wu Tang Clan members Ghost Face Killer, Method Man, Inspector Deck, as well as Nas. Here he is, Raekwon. What it do?

[Clarissa Shields]

Stay Shay show. What up, fellas?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Chef, what they do, baby?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's good?

[Clarissa Shields]

Hey, hey, ocho. What's the word?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And I'm here, man. One foot in front of the other, man. They're trying to make it happen with my head high so I can see where I'm going, baby. That's it.

[Clarissa Shields]

There you go. That's all we could do, right? That's all I could do. Keep on going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tell us about the album. What do you like about. Tell me, tell me, tell me the thought process. I'm going in. I'm gonna do my eighth studio album. What's the thought process? What are you looking for?

[Clarissa Shields]

Well, first and foremost, what I'm looking for is to tear up. You know, I'm one of them. I'm one of them. When I come back around n Gonna know I came back around.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause okay, that's what's up.

[Clarissa Shields]

I take it for real. I take it like the fights. You see your brother got the robe on. You know what I'm saying?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

It's serious. It's serious with me. But now, on a real note, though, I've been out the game. You know, I ain't gonna say out the game, but I've been doing other businesses, and I've been away from my pen and pad for about seven years. So I knew it was time to come back and blant brothers with another joint. You. You know, I've never been one of those artists to try to rush and continuously drop, drop, drop, drop, drop. You know, like a Marvin Gaye, baby. So I gotta sit down, figure shit out. Certain beats is gonna hit me when it's time. But I. Right now was the moment of truth for me to step in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you said something very interesting. You say you've been away from your pen in the past for about seven years, even though in the process or when you're away, do you even do a little sketching? You're like, okay, you know, hey, this, this, this, right? Even though you know that it's not quite time for you to go full underground, right? Focus in.

[Sarah Spain]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And start writing.

[Clarissa Shields]

Absolutely, absolutely. That ain't. I'm not saying I'm. I'm walking away like, I closed the door on it. Nah, we don't close the door. We always looking. We always fishing, you know, I mean, I might run into a producer on the road, and I'll be like, damn, I always want to work with you. You know what I'm saying? And then next thing you know, we entertaining that thought. But at the end of the day, I might just tell a yo, send me a 50 pack, and I might reach through the 50 piece. It might be like, yo, I like this, I like that, I like this. And then that's. That's when I start my process of talk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's when the creative juices get going.

[Clarissa Shields]

All right? I start the chuck, I start to talk. And like I said, I sit on it for a minute. And that always been my mystique to my music. It's like a lot of be hearing it. Don't be like, the beat was here yesterday, you know what I mean? I might have been like, yo, this one was designed two years ago, and I tucked it because I knew that when I hit a nigga with it right now, it's gonna feel like it was done now. So, yeah, it's just my weird process. I do things right now.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

I have a listen. I love music. I'm a music enthusiast and I've always been a fan of yours, a huge fan of yours. Wu Tang, y', all, the whole crew as. But I'm thinking about music in general and the way it sounded back then. We was all young. The way it sounds now is completely different at any point, despite what the music sounds like today. I've listened to the album One Life, Open Door 600 School, you and meth man doing what y' all always do. Does it matter how music sounds a day and how hard to remain your true authentic self and keeping that New York sound no matter what the music sounds like today?

[Clarissa Shields]

I don't get caught up in what anything sounds like anymore because a lot of shit got let in that I may not like. And that's just my opinion, but I'm hate on it. But one thing I'm not gonna do is allow what it is today to dictate me as an artist and where I'm going and how I want my music to be dictated.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right? Right.

[Clarissa Shields]

So I'm always gonna stay in my lane. It's like being a 60, 50 year old nigga in a club with a bunch of 20 year olds that don't look. So I've never been that type of dude to sit here and say, oh, this is the new sound they like. So let me try to, Let me try to get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't chase sound. Nah, you be you up there, you quan. And that's what I do, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

That's right. And I do it to the point where I say in my mind, I still gotta grow, still gotta make it new, you know what I'm saying? But I won't do something out of the box that I know that I'm not comfortable with. And I know my diehard fans might look at me like, yo, nigga, what you doing? You know? Cause I have tried shit. I had tried shit, Shay. And it's like, you know, my fans, they. They hard on me. And I love it because, yeah, I love them because they made me who I am besides my crew. But my fans, I try things like say for instance, right? Niggas be like, yo, I want you to keep giving us this, giving us this, giving us this. And I'm like saying to myself, like, that's cool, but what happens when I want to give you something? Like, I want to give you an apple, I want to drop a gem on know you, right?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right.

[Clarissa Shields]

So you know, it Fluctuates. And then when I do find myself slipping away a little bit, trying to please everybody, then they like, yo, we want the whole shit again. We want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

So I never really categorize what I do is music is music. If you love it, it feel good. It vibes to you, it vibes to your soul. I did my job. I ain't sitting here trying to act like I gotta follow what manuscript everybody else is doing, because I know y' all love me for what I bring to the shit table.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think that's the hardest part, Quan, is that when you look at it, everybody's like, man, all he does is the same thing. Same thing, same thing. When you give them something new, they're like, well, I want the old guy back. I want the old guy back. So how do I. How do I evolve? When I try to give you something new and you say you want the old. The old Quan back, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

I just basically give up on trying to please everybody. I just gotta know. I just gotta know that at the end of the day, do it sound good? Is it the sandwich? We gonna take the sandwich or we gonna take the song? And me and my team, we sit around and they be honest with me, you know what I mean? Because if they try to change me, they gonna know that at the end of the day, I'm gonna look at them and I'm gonna be like, you sure? You know what I'm saying? And it's to the point where I think, as an artist, we do have to listen to one another. I don't never want to be one of those, you know, artists that just ain't ready to hear be optimistic with somebody that may make sense on something. It's like back in the days, we make a bunch of. A bunch of hardcore reality records, and niggas say, damn, you ain't got nothing up there for the females. I'm like, nah, I ain't on that time right now. But then give you a look like. And then that'll make me be like, all right, I gotta do that, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can I ask you this? What happened to the lyricist? When I was growing. I. I'm. I. When I was growing up, you had Kane, you had rakim, you had krs1, you had slick Rick, you had a Scarface. You had guys that were. It seems like now everybody want to put the beat, and guys can't. Ain't saying nothing to beat banging, but they ain't saying nothing. Whereas before guys had so much to say. Where did the lyricist Go Quan.

[Clarissa Shields]

Where the lyrics went. I think it's just the fact that the radio has overpowered the mindset of music today. Everything is put in, is classified in certain levels, but then you want to try to mash everything together like it's one. So I think when the lyrics was everything, it was about skill. It was about coming in the big park and knowing that you know how to fight on that mic. But today it's more of a popularity show. You don't. You know, if you got a great hook, you making people dance, and that's cool, because at the end of the day, we need a little bit of that. But as far as the lyrics and all that concerned, I think the radio just is like, yo, they trained to go one way with it. So we don't stop doing what we do. We just do it for the niggas that remember that.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

And, yeah, it's funny. It's funny. When you think about it, the stuff that is mainstream right now is sort of the stuff that is talking about. But those of us that are. That are a little older and can appreciate lyricism, we. We can. And you know, Juan, what I miss. I'm gonna call you a chef. What. What I miss, honestly, is the storytelling, the story that came along with rapping. It's one thing to have beats, is one thing to listen to rap, but to hear a story told like they used to do back in the day, and, you know, there are a few. I mean, J. Cole is pretty good at it, too. You know, dog, that there's an art in itself in that alone.

[Clarissa Shields]

Exactly.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

That a lot of artists have moved away from, because in order to be mainstream, you have to sound. Have a certain sound, or you got to have a certain beat, or you got. You got to sound like, you know, you. You know what it is.

[Clarissa Shields]

I'm gonna tell you something, too. A lot of people don't feel like it sells.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

I'm saying.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Okay, okay.

[Clarissa Shields]

If. If me and you know that we going to the movies. Like, we just strictly love horror flicks.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yes, sir.

[Clarissa Shields]

Horror flicks might be probably the least ones that sell in the movie theater. Everybody's on some drama, comedy shit or whatever the case. I'm just trying to give you superhero.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They own superhero now. DC Marvel, Whatever the case may be.

[Clarissa Shields]

Exactly. So all I'm saying is that is to each his own on what they like. But when it comes to the politics, a lot of times the lyrics, I guess they just feel like, yo, we don't want that no more, but we. We Know, it's. It's. We know commercial shit. We know it has to exist. As an artist, you want to still try to deliver on every level. So I'm not stupid. I'm not. I'm not expecting me to be talking crazy and think that that's going to be on prime time, 3 o' clock in the afternoon, and me and your grandmothers is listening or whoever is listening. So I know that. But like I said, I just think that it's not being embraced enough in the culture of wanting it, because it's a lot of that just feel like, yo, that ain't doing yo. All that. So you got a lot of dumb out there. Let's. Let's wait about that. Am I lying? Am I lying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you're not, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

We know it's a lot of dumb. So dumb don't want to hear nothing but that they feel like is making them happy. We the type of that. We need to hear something because we might be going through something. We might have a moment. We might need to hear Gym. We might need somebody gotta drop a bracelet that make me be like, turn my neck and be like, I needed that. So, you know, to each his own, man. To each his own.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Looking back at the legacy of hip hop, are you. Did you know Wu Tang would be what you guys became?

[Clarissa Shields]

I knew we had the potential to be what we wanted to be, but we know there had to be a lot of work. But far as the confidence factor, yeah, I think we knew we was gonna make a. We was gonna bum rush. Because at that time, we was young and we felt what we felt was gonna win, but we knew that we still had to put in the work. But to go 30 years later in the year and have this audience of fans that's of all race and read, and it's like, that's some other. We a see that coming. We a see that coming.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because when you look at it, you guys, each one of you guys step out on your own. You kind of like nwa, you see, Q did his own thing. Dre turned into a producer. A lot of these guys did their own thing. And. And to see after all these years, it's like, man, I. I remember when and when. When they put the compilation together. And you guys are always, if. Is it. Is it hard when you're a group, you got five guys and. And normally you ain't gonna see this anymore. What you saw with nwa, what you saw with Wu Tang, what you saw, it ain't. No, it ain't. Hey, ain't no more In Sync. Ain't no more New Kids on the Block. Ain't no more New Edition. Because every everybody looking for that solo action. Because I ain't really trying to split a hundred thousand five waves. I'm gonna keep it stacked with you. I ain't really trying to do that. If I will get 100 stacks, if I will get 100 stacks, I gotta run this on my own.

[Clarissa Shields]

Exactly. And see, that's the whole thing. That's why I tell people all the time. When we came together, it was like shooting dice at a dice game. And the just Rizza was betting his hand on something that he didn't know was going to be what it was. And guess what? Head crack, you found this. You assembled this amazing team of men that basically all got their own style. And you believe in every last one of them, but you want them all to come together because we know team means everything. It's like, I've been on sports teams. Y' all know how it goes. You know what I mean? A team, once y' all on the same mind frame and y' all really want to win, that's more to win. That's more to have under your belt. To be like, yeah, nigga, we getting closer to winning because we got a strong team. So really, for us, we was looking at the cats that did it before. The Naughty By Nature's headbanger. The headbanger that. You know what I'm saying? We like, we want those niggas, we want to be like them, but we got to be better. We got to figure out a way to, you know, let them know we just as strong as them or we may be even a little stronger. So our intentions were big, you know, but like I said, we could say whatever, whatever. But if you don't put in the work, that don't mean nothing.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

You know what's funny? One of the things that we always struggle with, especially our people when it comes to doing anything and uniting, even as a group, whether. Whether it be. Most of the time, it's hard for us to stick to the plan and understand long term vision, right? This is what we need to do. For one, we got to put the work in. Most of the time, depending on what it is going on, everybody want to take a shortcut. Everyone take a shortcut. And it's very, very difficult for everybody to stay on the same page. Have y' all managed to over always be on the same page? After all these years with no fallouts, I'm sure there's probably little rifts or, you know, whatnot. But have you all managed to keep that friend group so tight together?

[Clarissa Shields]

It's the fans, man. You know, and it's the ability to be able to know. Like, men gonna argue. We gonna. We gonna go through. We might fight, we might argue, but one thing we not gonna forget is where we came from and the blessings that we received. See, when a man feels like he's at his worst point and you just want to give up, that's cool, too, if that's who you are. But we strong brothers, so we know that at the end of the day, it's a rule that comes with, you know, going at each other. It's like, yo, that shit can't exist, but for so long. So, you know, times it really be. It be rainy days, you know, we might not talk to each other for months, but that don't mean we don't love each other. So I guess when we come back to do some work, if whoever's on bad terms, y' all had enough time to be like, yo, that ain't about nothing, man. Let's. Let's go do that job. But really, like I said, it's the fans. We never want to let down the fans on making them feel like we gonna break up, but it happens. Can you give me five groups that's together still? You see what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least they broke. They might have got back together, but they broke up at some point in time.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

So for us, I think it ain't never a breakup thing. I think it's, yo, I'm out the way for a minute, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Take a break.

[Clarissa Shields]

Yeah, I'm out the way for a minute. You know, it's been plenty of times probably in the past with me, I wanted to break up, but then I have real around me, like, yo, are you. You really sure that's how you feel? And then it makes me question, am I dealing with too much emotion, or do I got facts to stand on to fill the. To make it, make that decision that I'm making. So, you know, a lot of times it's just. You gotta learn how to forgive, man. You. You know, the most high, he teaches how to forgive. Not forget, forgive. So, yeah, we forgive each other sometimes because money ain't gonna keep us together. You know what I mean? What's gonna keep us together is, damn, I know your mother. I know. Know your. I know your family. Your family love me, you know? I mean, I ain't going nowhere. You ain't going nowhere. And we try to just balance it out with distance, you know, Sometimes you gotta balance out with this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was the Wu Tang forever, The final Champ Chamber tour. Was that really the last time you guys were gonna be together?

[Clarissa Shields]

Right now, that's the call. Because everybody got other things on, got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Other projects going on, got everything going on.

[Clarissa Shields]

Vision board. But me and you know that anything could happen. How many niggas said that in the past? Yo, it's over. Then they. They bust a move. I mean, right now, nobody don't know. For, like, the last couple of years, we have been struggling with, you know, you know, schedules, you know what I mean? Cause dudes is doing. You know what I mean? It's like. It's different if a sitting around the corner and you just don't want to do it no more. Say it. I don't to want. Want to do it no more. So sometimes that ain't the case. But if I got something going on and then next thing you know, this fall in my lap and it's like, damn, I gotta say to myself, damn, I'm gonna be busy that month, y' all trying to dance. I'm. I'm already signed in. So.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right.

[Clarissa Shields]

We've been having to deal with those situations and move some things around. So we. We pretty much had like a. We had like a forecast that was basically saying, yo, we gonna do this, we gonna do that, we gonna do this. And then we going. We going chill because. Because we know that at the end of the day, yo, nigga, you might be. You might. You might got a lot of other shit to do. So it's all about respecting men and respecting their businesses and, you know, their family time, all that. All that plays a role. But we do have to go through some struggles with that. So now we just say, yo, you know what? I. Now everybody, yo, we go back out one more time, show the fans some love, and then, yo, now you don't got to worry about me in your ear trying to do something right, Right, right. That's what it was, though. But you never know. I'm gonna tell my fans that you never know. You never know what could happen, man. But it's going to be. If. If it escalates to us doing it again, it's going to be better because that's the only way we signing up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You recently said hip hop doesn't feel authentic anymore, do you?

[Clarissa Shields]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is there in your mind, is there ever a chance Hip hop, rap, whatever the case may be, will it ever be what it once was?

[Clarissa Shields]

Let me tell you something, Unc. And I want you to listen real clear. I don't know if I told you like I told you. You see, this is why I call my album the Emperor's New Clothes, okay? My album, the Emperor's New Clothes, is because the Emperor's New Clothes is a Dutch folktale about deception. The king got hoodwinked. He got hoodwinked. He's sitting there with all his vanity, and vanity turns into ego. And then next thing you know, you become weird. You, you, you, you, you. You start to forget the rules and principles because your ego is so big that the day these guys came in to sell you some clothes that wasn't real, but you knew they wasn't real, but allows you to sit here and try something that really, it wasn't right. So the bottom line, what I'm saying is we gotta stop falling for Sucker, for Stupid, for that ain't hip hop that we classify as hip hop. What's the difference? What's the difference, Chad? If I give you a shirt and I say, yo, try this shirt on, and I ain't got into my hand, common sense is gonna tell you this ain't Yo, Ray, you ain't got nothing in your hand. Might be like, that's the Ocho. Put it on.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Right, right?

[Clarissa Shields]

That's what's going on in the game today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

So niggas make hip hop be something that we know it ain't. But you got niggas right next to you telling you it is what it is. So my thing is, don't get caught up in the deceptions. So when I'm making my music, I gotta keep the hip hop. You know what I'm saying? Prime example. And this ain't on nobody. Post Malone, right? I love him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, this.

[Clarissa Shields]

I love him as an artist. You look them up in the dictionary or. Or anything. Google, they call him an American rapper. Now, my thing is, when I think of Post Maloney singing all the time, not taking away from him, saying that he can't rhyme or he right. Call that something else. You see, I'm saying, you see how right boys do the rock. You got contemporary rock, you got punk rock, you got this rock, you got hardcore rock. You got all these different titles. But when it come over here to hip hop, everything y' all is calling hip hop. It ain't hip hop, bro. That don't mean it ain't dope. I'm not taking nothing away from homie. I like him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm a fan.

[Clarissa Shields]

But that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, hip hop.

[Clarissa Shields]

You understand what I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I feel you. I know exactly what you said. I know exactly what you're saying.

[Clarissa Shields]

This is, is not the single. It's just like I said, we gotta preserve the culture, man. The best way we know how, man. Gotta stop acting like they calling everything something that it's not, man. That's all I'm saying. So I wanted to make this album basically bring back to realizing that, yo, you know what? Stop being decept. Stop let decept you with other man. I mean, if this is what you want, then you gotta, you gotta stand on it. But if you're gonna settle, you could tell you, yo, eat this. Yo, this is good. And you like is nasty. If it's nasty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, but right here's the problem that we gonna. That we, that we run into.

[Clarissa Shields]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We've allowed it to get in for so long.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's going to be hard to get it up out of there because we've allowed it to infiltrate for such a long time. And so now people just like, oh yeah, that rap. Oh yeah, that's. That's such and such. Because we've allowed it for the last 20. The last 20 years to get in there. And as you said, they say it, and now we classified as rap. We classified as hip hop. But that ain't what it is. That's never what it was was. And that wasn't what it was intended to be.

[Clarissa Shields]

But see, that's. But see, going back to the Emperor's New Clothes, remember, two swindlers came in there and swindled the king. Yeah, swindlers. So guess who the swindlers is. Do I gotta say it?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

No, no, no, no.

[Clarissa Shields]

It's the niggas with the money. It's the niggas with the money that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Saying they're pushing it.

[Clarissa Shields]

That's saying, one for you, one for me, two for you. One, two for me. Three for you. One, two, three for me. You get it?

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Clarissa Shields]

We ain't gotta sit here, we ain't gotta sit in and not know what we know. But at the end of the day, money, man. That's why I said the vanity, the, you know, the vanity controls the ego. And then you become something that's just. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the bring you anything and everything and you like, yo it. All I see is the money. I don't see nothing else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

The funny thing, this is the great thing I like about life. Whether whether it's sports, whether it's whether it's rap, whether it's arts, whether. Whether it's. Whether it's dance. History always repeats itself.

[Clarissa Shields]

Facts.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Life goes. Life goes in cycles, in decades, as I call it.

[Clarissa Shields]

That's right.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

History repeat itself. Where hip hop is back to its original format in which we all know and love.

[Clarissa Shields]

I mean, I feel like it never really went nowhere. I just felt like if this was a blanket over it and basically everybody just at a point where, you know, you get tired of hearing the same type of all the day, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, like I said, man, I. I ain't got to shoot at nobody, man. I ain't here to shoot at nobody. But a lot of that we all respect. Let's just classify. Let's just put certain things in our own mind to be what it is that we don't need nobody to tell us. Yo, this is what it is. You got to know what it is. I got to know what it is. And at the end of the day, like I tell you, go to the movies, you pay for what you want, period. You want horror, you come over here, you don't go over there for horror, if it ain't horror, right? But. But today, like I said, all we could do is really start trying to articulate what's what, you know what I'm saying? And, and that's my thing. I. I didn't make this album to try to on nobody. I. These are just my principles. My. This is just how I feel. And I knew that. Yo, do what? Do what you what know you do, man, Period, man, you know what I'm saying? Because if you do it some other way, then you're gonna wind up like the King and the Emperor's New Clothes. And when he got sold something and then a little kid so told them that ain't it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clarissa Shields]

Sometimes you need that, you know, and this ain't even. This even my philosophy just based on hip hop. It ain't even just that we living in those crazy times with no where there's no rule book. It was a rule book back in the days. Give a. If you had a big brother in the hood and the Tell your put your put his hands on you, you better put your hands. You better fight them not shoot him. Fight him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People scared to take an L now, though, Ray.

[Clarissa Shields]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. People scared to take a deal. Hey, Raekwon's eighth studio album, Emperor's New Clothes, is out now. He has Ghost Face, Killer, Method Man, Inspector Deck, as well as Nas on the album. Ray, congratulations. Hopefully you guys do it one more time. Take the group out one more time. Spin the block. Let everybody see the Rutang clan, 30 plus years in the making and do this thing one time. Thank you for coming by. Stop by again, baby brother.

[Clarissa Shields]

Y' all my baby brothers. I love y'.

[Sarah Spain]

All.

[Clarissa Shields]

And y' all out of your platform. What y' all doing? Like I said, man, it's gonna take real ones to stand the way they stand. And. And I salute y' all brothers, man, and thank you for everything because you all are part of this culture. Let's stick together. We got some great things lined up for the people, you know what I'm saying? I got a documentary coming out that's gonna blow y' all niggas heads off. Only Cuba Links, you know, the documentary. You know what I mean? That also, you know, like I said, I'm just trying to dance in the greatest way, keep myself relevant, but, you know, it's a lot of shit going on, bro. That's all. Yeah, great things. But I appreciate the platform. Thank you for supporting me, man. It's all my fans. You know how I get down. Enjoy the music. There it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Raekwon, thank you for coming by. Go catch the new album. Emperor's New Clothes Salute. Appreciate you, man. Enjoy. Stay safe. Tell the family I said hello.

[Clarissa Shields]

Thank you, my brother. Likewise. Peace.

[Unnamed Co-Host]

Yo.

[Sarah Spain]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

To listen now, check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club.

[Unnamed Soccer Analyst]

San Diego coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team.

[Unnamed Community Advocate]

We need to embrace this community.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the Flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Sarah Spain]

This is an iHeart podcast.