Nightcap Hour 1: Unc and Ocho react to the Top 10 trash talkers and Ocho responds to Cris Carter

Summary

Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 1: Unc and Ocho React to the Top 10 Trash Talkers and Ocho Responds to Cris Carter

Release Date: July 14, 2025

In the inaugural episode of "Nightcap Hour," hosts Shannon Sharpe (Unc) and Chad "Ocho" Johnson dive deep into the art of trash talking within the NFL, react to a curated list of the league's top trash talkers, and address critiques from Hall of Famer Cris Carter. The episode is a blend of insightful analysis, spirited debates, and personal anecdotes, providing listeners with both entertainment and a nuanced understanding of the competitive spirit that fuels professional football.

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1. Welcome Back and Season Preparations (00:35 - 04:04)

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson kick off the episode by welcoming listeners back after a brief hiatus. They share personal highlights from their vacations, emphasizing family time and preparations for the upcoming NFL season. Sharpe highlights the challenges of balancing personal life with the demanding football schedule, setting a relatable tone for the episode.

Shannon Sharpe [01:28]: "I went home, saw the kids, saw the grandkids, and I was back here, you know, just."

2. Chad Johnson's Wide Receiver Workshop (04:04 - 16:02)

A significant portion of the conversation centers around Chad Johnson's recent Wide Receiver Workshop. Johnson expresses profound gratitude for the attendance and participation of current NFL receivers, emphasizing the importance of collaboration and continuous improvement in the game.

Chad Johnson [04:22]: "They brought the idea to me... they actually showed up."

Sharpe underscores the value of sharing knowledge and discourages the hoarding of valuable insights, paralleling it with the broader theme of teamwork and mutual support in the NFL.

Shannon Sharpe [08:13]: "What good is all this knowledge if you hoard it?"

The duo delves into technical aspects of the game, discussing route running, defensive manipulation, and the critical nature of being technically sound to excel as a receiver.

3. The Top 10 Trash Talkers List (16:02 - 32:26)

Shannon introduces the episode's main segment: reacting to the Top 10 trash talkers in NFL history. The list is both humorous and contentious, reflecting the hosts' personal biases and experiences.

Top 10 Trash Talkers:

1. Chad "Ocho" Johnson
2. Steve Smith Sr.
3. Richard Sherman
4. Shannon Sharpe
5. Dion
6. Philip Rivers
7. Suggs
8. Ray Lewis
9. Courtland Sutton
10. [Unspecified]

Shannon Sharpe [17:02]: "Name the top 10 trash talkers in NFL history. This list, this list is bull jive because yours truly isn't on it."

Johnson passionately defends his placement at the top, highlighting the entertainment value and strategic aspect of his trash talking, which went beyond mere provocation.

Chad Johnson [17:39]: "I took it to levels never seen or done before... It's a different aspect and different entertainment value to my trash talk."

Sharpe counters by emphasizing that while Johnson is a formidable trash talker, his approach was more about generating excitement rather than targeting opponents personally.

4. Responding to Cris Carter's Critique (32:26 - 43:58)

The conversation shifts to addressing criticisms from Cris Carter, who questioned Johnson's effectiveness as a receiver. Carter claimed that Johnson struggled to get open against average defenders, limiting his touchdown achievements.

Shannon Sharpe [33:24]: "He couldn’t get open against average guys. He couldn’t get open to save his life."

Johnson rebuffs these claims by comparing his career statistics favorably against contemporaries like Julio Jones, emphasizing his impact despite shorter career length.

Chad Johnson [34:20]: "I did the best I could with the cards I was dealt and I did one hell of a goddamn job."

The hosts engage in a spirited debate about player longevity, performance metrics, and the subjective nature of evaluating greatness in the NFL. They discuss the complexities of measuring a player's impact beyond mere statistics, referencing the importance of context and team dynamics.

5. The Debate on Aaron Rodgers vs. Patrick Mahomes (43:58 - 55:02)

Towards the episode's conclusion, Sharpe and Johnson delve into a broader NFL discussion sparked by Ben Roethlisberger's comments favoring Aaron Rodgers over Patrick Mahomes. They dissect Roethlisberger's standpoint, questioning his rationale and comparing the careers and potentials of both quarterbacks.

Shannon Sharpe [45:28]: "He said, I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of the top few to ever do it... and so Patrick Mahomes is just entering out of his prime."

Johnson and Sharpe analyze the merits of both quarterbacks, debating their achievements, leadership qualities, and the impact they've had on their respective teams. The discussion highlights differing perspectives on excellence and peak performance in professional football.

Chad Johnson [43:58]: "Mahomes is one of the few Quarterbacks you can put on any team. He elevates everyone else around him."

6. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts (55:02 - 56:18)

As the episode wraps up, Sharpe and Johnson reflect on the topics discussed, reaffirming their commitment to providing honest and engaging content. They emphasize the importance of recognizing and celebrating the unique contributions of each player, regardless of accolades or public perception.

Shannon Sharpe [55:00]: "It's okay to have a great understanding, to be an actor, to be a football player... Sometimes as great as you are, they don't see you as that."

The hosts sign off by thanking their audience, promising more insightful discussions in future episodes, and reinforcing the show's dedication to exploring the multifaceted world of sports and entertainment.

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Notable Quotes:

• Chad Johnson [04:22]: "I can't believe it. They actually show."

• Shannon Sharpe [08:13]: "What good is all this knowledge if you hoard it?"

• Chad Johnson [17:39]: "I took it to levels never seen or done before."

• Shannon Sharpe [33:24]: "He couldn’t get open against average guys."

• Chad Johnson [34:20]: "I did one hell of a goddamn job."

• Shannon Sharpe [45:28]: "Patrick Mahomes is just entering out of his prime."

• Chad Johnson [43:58]: "Mahomes... elevates everyone else around him."

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Conclusion

This episode of "Nightcap Hour" offers a candid exploration of competitive banter in the NFL, underscored by personal insights from two seasoned athletes. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson blend humor, expertise, and passionate debate to engage listeners, making complex discussions accessible and entertaining. Whether you're a die-hard football fan or someone intrigued by the dynamics of athlete interactions, this episode provides a comprehensive look into what makes trash talking a pivotal element of the sport.

Transcript

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. We are back. Thank you ladies and gentlemen for being so patient with us while Ojo and I had some needed, much needed time off as we get ready to head back into the NFL season and jump back on this ground again. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc. Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host. He did a lot more on his vacation than I did in mine with, but we both arrived back at the exact same time. That is, you know, the rock runner extraordinaire. The Bengals ring of fame. Marie, the pro Bowler, the all Pro. That's Liberty City's own. That's Chad Ocho, Seco Johnson. Ocho. What it do?

[Chad Johnson]

But what's up, baby? Hey, listen, I'm. Hey, I'm feeling good. I didn't gain about, about 10, 15 pounds. I had a great, A great vacation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. See, I saw. I saw.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had me a good old time. I'm. I'm sure, I'm sure you did as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you know me, I went home, saw the kids, saw the grandkids, and I was back here, you know, just. I. I ain't much of a getaway type of person, man. I'm not, I'm not. But you know, we'll get to that in just a second. Yeah, guys, thank you. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We want to thank each and every one of you that tuned in while Ocho and I were away. You. And we welcome you back with open arms. We understand that without you, there can be no us. And we greatly, greatly appreciate your continue and loyal following. So cuz it goes to our success and we cannot thank you enough. Please make sure you check out Shay by La Portier. We have it in stock now. If you can't find it, any city or state near you, order it online. We will ship it directly to your door. But best believe I'm about to hit the road. I, uh, I think I'm gonna be in Delaware. I think I'm going back to Atlanta, Baltimore. So I'm about to hit the road for more bottle signings in the very, very near future. So stay tuned because I'm coming to a city and a state near you. So please drink responsibly and stay safe. Make sure you go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With that link being pinned in the chat, supplies are limited. And once they're gone, they're gone. And as I said, oo we are back now. You know, there might be some people that not. Not be happy that we back, but we back and better than ever and we can't wait. Hey, we ain't gonna wait for a football season to start. Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, we do. We. We gotta get back into our grind. Oo. Cause you know, come football season is five nights a week, so we get very limited time off. So it's like Sunday, it's Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. You said five nights a week. Wait a. Football season ain't nothing but Monday, Thursday and Monday, Thursday and Saturday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, Sunday, man, you know, we got college football on Saturday night.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then we. And then we have that bridge from Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay, that's. That's four days, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I'm glad you got very good accounts to keep you keep your money straight for.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what I'm saying? Cause you'll be end up giving up. You giving up hundreds for fifties. But that's okay. That's what I'm here for. To keep. To keep you all, to keep you on point ultra. Let's jump right into it. Before we get into some topics, tell us about your wide eye camp. Cause there's like the D lineman got a camp.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tight ends have what they call tight end. You. And I think you started what you call wide receiver workshop, wide out workout camp last week. The clip of you being emotional and grateful to the guys that showed up. In that case. In that case, Chat hasn't seen it yet. We're going to play this clip for you. Take a look at it.

[Chad Johnson]

Y' all know how much I love the game. You know how much I love y', all, man. Throughout the years, you've. I've tweeted about every last one of y', all, so you already know how I feel about you. And they brought the idea to me. I talked to Court. I talked to some of y' all boys yesterday, and I was scared. I was scared to. To make that call because. Yes, sir. Let it out, man. That's what it's about, right? You deserve it, bro. That's why we gotta play together, come together. You feel me? Hey, it's a lot of pride, ego in a receiver position. Honestly, I thought it come together. I thought some of the big boys and just any. Y'. All. Y' all busy. I'm busy. You know how. You know how that be. So for you to show up, mean the world to me. Like, I don't cry normally, and I really ain't really ashamed to do it in front of y'. All. I swear to God. I appreciate you. I swear to God. And I look forward to what we do tomorrow. We're gonna keep talking, talk about the game of football. I don't want to run you to death, but more want to get into what you need to work on to improve, you know, where you can get back to work and feel good about something new that you got and you stole from somebody else. Somebody else game, you know, other than that, let y' all get out this rain, man, like. Like. I seriously salute y', all, man. Hey, hey, that, Unc. That was dope. That was a good feeling. A good feeling. A lot of people are probably watching with not great understanding about the love I have for the game. Not just the game in general, but the craft when it comes to that artwork, when it comes to playing a position of receiver, and how much I embedded and love that artistry. And for those fellas to show up on, for the big boys to actually show up. For me, it meant a lot. It meant a lot for one. For me to be so far removed from the game and to want to help those that are still playing, you know, and finding tweaks and things that they can improve on and add to their game. There's nothing that we have as a collective group, as receivers, we can all get. Get together under one umbrella and talk about the game of football, talk about route running and anything that comes along with that. Ways to. To. To manipulate defenses, ways to give illusions that you run at full speed than when you really. I mean, when you. When you're really not just little tricks in the trade of the craft in itself. And Unc. But them boys showed up. They showed up. Cause I look at them as a fan. I don't look at them as ocho that's already played. I look at them in awe, like, I'm looking up to them, and they tried to get me to see fool, you tripping. We look up to you because we still studying your stuff from way back then. But I don't view myself like that or in that light, which is why the emotion and the tears came from, like, I can't believe it. They actually show. They actually showed up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

T. Higgins, Jamal Chase, Cora Sutton, Jerry. We talk about people that are already established in the league that a got their big paydays they ain't got. They. They don't have to come out here. They don't have to. But it's a testament. Forget them coming for me. A testament where they are with their game and wanting to improve and get better at their craft and what they do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you want to get better. I mean, if they have a. I guarantee you, if they have a convention and they invite the top 100 tech guys, I guarantee you they're going to show up because iron sharpens iron. You know, we got to get out of this illusion where. I don't want to give away no secrets. I don't want to give away no secrets. And I'm trying to do this. I keep this to myself. What good is all this knowledge if you hoard it? Somebody had to you. I don't care what any receiver tells you. He did not learn or forget the position. He did not learn everything on his own. He got it from somewhere.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So instead of you sharing it, you want to hoard it. Now, what if somebody would have done that to you? What if somebody would have hoarded that information and teach you how to be and how to dip?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. Or somebody teach you how to snatch pool. So now you get the information. But, see, that's how we'll see a lot of times. Ocho. We'll get up now. We'll use a ladder to get up, and once we get up, we'll pull the ladder up to make sure no nobody else get up there with us.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many times have we seen that? We see it a lot. I ain't gonna get political with you, but we see a lot of that. A lot of people came through immigration. Now they got over here. Kick that ladder down. You ain't getting up here. I'm here now, so damn you. And a lot of times athletes have that same mentality. Yes. Somebody in partake. And maybe it wasn't publicly. Maybe it was a private setting. Now, someone in partook in part gave you wisdom and knowledge and understanding. You want to pretend like you got that all on your own.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What I like most, Ocho, because a lot of times these guys forget that there was somebody before them. And it seems like if it didn't happen in the Internet age, it didn't happen.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, I don't know about that guy. Well, that guy got 100 and something. 100 and something touchdowns. That guy have 15, 16, 17,000 yards. Oh, you thought they just started playing wide receiver like 30 years ago, right? I like sometimes. Sometimes, not all. There's no such thing as all or every. Guys forget not taking women out of this. You can talk about the wnba. We'll talk about that a later date and time. I'm just talking about men in professional sports. It's almost like we want to poo poo. The one thing that I've never done is I never forgot the guys that laid the foundation from the Mackies to the Dickers to the Aussies to the Winslow, the Seconds to the Jackie Smith. Guys like that Raymond Chesters. I know, I know the history of that position. I know the history of the tight end position and of the NFL. So therefore I'm greatly, greatly appreciative. But that was great. That was really great to see. I'm glad you got an opportunity that hopefully, hopefully you can get sponsors like we see at tight endu.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it gets bigger and bigger and better and better year after year. So that's that. Kudos to you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, most definitely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We had taken time out of your busy schedule.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And say, you know what, guys, I want to bring you guys together and in partake some of the wisdom that I've been given over the course of the years. And maybe, maybe only one to two people got something out of what you said or what someone else said.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that was success.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because that was information they wouldn't have gotten had they not been there.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it was dope. And my favorite part of the two days that we had together was sitting there talking obviously to Jerry. I'm talking all Elijah Moore, KJ Osborne, all them boys. But the great, the greatest conversation that I really enjoyed was me, Uno, obviously, Jamar. Jamar, Jamar Chase, Jerry, Judy and Court and Cortland Sutton. And we had a 30 minute discussion on. I'm talking about. I'm talking about a good 30 on ways to beat Pat certain Jr. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We said he so. He's so.

[Chad Johnson]

I swear for God, the first thing they all say, Judy, he's So long. He's so patient. Chase say anything short. You're not. You're not. You're not gonna be able to run it. And the conversation about Pat is a testament to him, to how great he is and how good he is. And, of course, I said what I could. We went back and forth. It was a great dialogue on that. Then they talked about the other DBs that are very, very difficult. Not as long, but technically sound and savvy. They talked about Denzel Ward, on how difficult. Chase talks about how difficult it is to go award. Yeah. When you play him, you got to be on your P's and q's. They talked about Stingley. When you play Stingley, you got to be on your p's and Q's. Obviously, other great. There are other great defensive backs in the NFL, but the way those dudes praise Pastang Stingley and Denzel Ward, man, it was. It was. It was wonderful, wonderful thing to help.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pat, who is his dad. Certainly his dad was a pro bowler.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he had great. So the first thing I noticed about Pastor Tame when he got to Alabama, I say this for a freshman. This dude is technically. Sound like he should be in the league already. Yes. You look at him, and there's no wasted motion. There's. There ain't nothing. There ain't.

[Chad Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, he try. Hey, boom. If you release inside.

[Chad Johnson]

Boom. Stabbing every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bam.

[Chad Johnson]

Stabbing every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm like, damn. He. He technically sound. Damn. Ain't no wasted motion. I mean, he get. He bam. And hey, when that. When that back foot plant. He driving.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But as he talked about, we had him on. Oh. And he won the defensive player of the year. And we talked to him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said, look, study. I'm looking at formations. I'm looking at splits. I'm looking at down and distance. I'm looking at area of the field. I'm also looking at. Okay. The personnel, all that. That's why you need. That's why you need to be smart as a football player, because you got to be able to process that in an instant instantly.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He who hesitate in sports is beat.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. It's a game of inches.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And in the NFL, unless it's a blown coverage.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You throw people open.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And these guys in this league are good enough to throw a receiver open.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So it ain't. You can't waste motion because the really good receivers are not going to waste motion.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. All that drop of your arms. Hey, you telling the DB I'm about to Stop.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I'm about to break the ball going the other way, and you might.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You might as well tell, hey, dude, I'm about to run this out. Break on it. Yeah, because that's what's going to happen. So it was. It was great to see you in that environment, Ocho. I know you love. You love everything about coaching except coaching itself, because you damn sure ain't gonna put those. You want to put that kind of hours in and be on. That's what time said. No, no, no, no. I want you to come out there and talk to him. During the summer, you ain't gonna be no coach.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but listen, I. I can coach in a structured environment, but when it comes to talking the game of actually route running, getting open, understanding what's across for you and how to beat it, now that I can do. Now that I can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know what I noticed, Ocho?

[Chad Johnson]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about the. What about the run blocking? I ain't see you do none of that.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, hey, I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. Now, if you look. If you. If you look at mustache, statistically, this is one of the things that really aren't. Aren't shown. Statistically, I'm the greatest run blocker in the history of the NFL.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord, that is not true.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Now, when you think about blocking, everyone thinks about a physical specimen. When it comes to playing receiver, sometimes the indicator is just being who you are in general.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And all I got to do, sometimes I ain't got to touch nobody. I just run off and I take three people with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I. I think the thing is, for the. You look at the West Coast. You look at west coast offenses, those guys got a block. Are you not getting the ball? You look at a guy like a Heinz Ward who made his name in the league, end up catching 1000 passes, he was known as. As a blocker. He was physical. I mean, Hines, he took pride. He's like, well, y' all try to tear my head off when I got the ball in my arms, right? Now I get an opportunity to peel your cap, right? I'm peeling it all the way back to the white.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Now, you said Hines Wolver physical. Now, that's not to take nothing away from me. Now, I was a very physical blocker, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That did your game.

[Chad Johnson]

It's not my game, but it was part. I had it in my repertoire when I knew.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. It's a, It's a, It's a tool that you didn't use. So you know how people got a toolbox and they got all the tools in there, and they only use the flathead or the Phillips head screwdriver. They use the vice grips, they use the monkey ridge, and they use the adjustable rig. That's it. But they got a hundred apparatuses in there. But at the end of the day, it's all about getting the job done. Yes, sir. Whether you, Whether you got, if you got force, you, you push that corner and then come down on. Because they don't let you crack no more, Ocho. Oh, hard. Oh, no, the harder, the harder the block because, you know, you used to be able to push that, push the corner, and then see that safety creeping.

[Chad Johnson]

Down there and come on down and crack them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now they blind side, like what they call it, Blind side block defense, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Head on the swivel, bro.

[Chad Johnson]

All you got to do, you can stand in the way, fold your arms.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you got to move because the power get you. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to worry about that pile. So you got to keep your feet moving because, you know, hey, we all have been rolled up on.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't no damn fun. Ocho foot pro football addict. Name the top 10 trash talkers in NFL history. This, this list, this list is bull jive because yours truly isn't on it. Number one, Chad Ochocinko. Number two, Smitty Steve Smith, senior. Three, Richard Sherman. Number four, me. Number five, Dion. Number six, Philip Rivers. Number seven, to number eight, Suggs. Number nine, Ray Lewis. Number ten, Courtland Sutton. I feel I should be number one, but.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I, I, I know you feel you should be number one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I should.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I know you feel you should be number one, but you have to understand. You have to understand the art of trash talking. It's me. It represents me. If the art of trash talking was in the dictionary, there would be a picture of me. You were great at trash talking. You were great at it. You were great at it. Let me stay with me now. You were great at it, but you have to understand, I took it to levels never seen or done before, okay? There's a certain entertainment value to the trash talk that I provided. I was talking trash, right? Let me stay with me real quick, just real quick. On a losing team. And I could fill a stadium with my trash talk alone. So the seats we sold out because they come to see What I'm going to do based off what I said. You see what I'm saying? You see where I'm going? Yeah. Come on. Come on, now. Stay with me now. It's different. So when I play away, they coming to see what he's going to do next based off what he said. Now, the pressure was on me to be able to make sure I gave people their money's worth after I did all the talking. That's pressure in itself. So, yeah, I'm not taking nothing away from. You Were great at what you did, but it just. I just had a different aspect and different entertainment value to my trash talk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What clip do they show? All the time calling that. He called it the National Guard.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe, you do realize I had a coach. A coach resign and a player got suspended because I was trash talking, right?

[Chad Johnson]

I got you. I got you. I got you. But you got to understand, I lost money behind my entertainment and trash talking. I send gifts to my opponents in secondaries to elevate the level of trash talk. The bravado in which I brought to the game is a little different now. You did. You. You. Hey, listen, you was phenomenal. You have to remember, I did it in a losing effort, in a losing atmosphere. Huh? Just to make it fun for those watching and those.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I need to be mic'd up more without getting into it. Cause, you know, Ocho, you realize, like, you don't talk as much when you mic'd up before. The simple fact is people gonna think, oh, he don't do that much talking. He just doing this. Cause he mic'd up.

[Chad Johnson]

See, the difference is. Right? Notice I never wore a mouthpiece. I just had. I didn't wear a mouthpiece. Cause I need to be able to converse with you throughout the entirety of the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And the problem is, this is the thing. I'm not talking. I think you talk. Steve Smith talked trash to get the person angry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Richard Sherman talked trash to get the person angry. Cam Newton, I saw his little clip earlier about him being the best trash talker and says he gets people upset. I'm not trying to get you upset. I don't want you mad. I want you happy. I just need to see if you can engage with me and converse with me in the middle of a game. I got you. Mentally. You already beat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care what. I don't care what you get. You can get mad. You get happy at the end of the day. Right, bro?

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Titus Tidy. What's up, What? Titus, where you been at? What? What they do, Twin?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You supposed to be holding it down. So who didn't show up for work? That's what I need to know. Who did show up for work, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Tighty, look at my dog, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The dog?

[Chad Johnson]

Chilling, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where your brother? Say, I got another brother here.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you got another one?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Not. Not his side. Oh, no. They eat too much.

[Chad Johnson]

Ah, but where he at? Man, you ain't. You ain't. You ain't even let me see him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. Thanos.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, you named him Thanos?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, God damn, he that big.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where do you see him? Shell bring Thanos.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, boy, I know that. Hey, I know that joker Big. How much you weigh? About 160. What the hell? That teddy bear?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Four pounds.

[Chad Johnson]

That ain't Teddy Bear.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello, everybody. My name is Thanos.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, he ain't gonna grow no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he maxed out, Ocho. That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

What you gotta give. You gotta give him a better name than that, like Peewee.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't want to be no PC. I'm big, he said. I run stuff around here. You say, tired to get a bone. I take it I'm like that.

[Chad Johnson]

What happened to Teddy Bear?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Teddy Bear on the couch.

[Chad Johnson]

How did they get along?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, he be. He be. He'd be harassing Teddy Bear like something crazy. Yeah, I had the other one. I had baby, right? Teddy Bear was a nuisance, was a menace, right? I mean, the other one couldn't get no peace, right? Now all he doing is repaying the favor.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay, I got. I got it. I got. I like that. I like that. But how? Yeah, how much? I don't mean to be in your pockets, but how much that was there?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No focus, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

I ain't. I don't mean to be in your pocket. I'm just curious how much that was there, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You look. Little something, you know, I can't tell you where I got it from because, you know, it'd have been a tariff on it.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. I understand. I. I know. I noticed you ain't really want to answer that question. I'm still trying to. I just want to know the numbers on it. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Little something, you know, look. You know, look, treat myself. I ain't bought myself nothing, you know?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I still got the same. The same range, the same BMW. So, you know, I said, you know what? Let me get myself something. I ain't bought a watch. I ain't brought no clothing. And so, you know.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. That was my. That was my birthday gift that I got.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, well, but listen, listen, listen, listen. I told you. I told you I got a dude out of Liberty City, right? I got a dude in Liberty City. Get you everything exotic from animals to dogs to pets to. To whatever. I could have got you that. I could have got you that for 200. I'm just saying. What's that, a teacup, right? Teacup, Pom pom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he regular size. He's not gonna. I mean, he's not gonna get much bigger than that.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Teacups. I mean, teacups, they'd be like, like three pounds. Okay. Have a lot of health issues.

[Chad Johnson]

He said he was four pounds, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He. Four pounds. He'll probably. He'll probably top out at about six.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay, that's cool. Cause I got my dog. My dog in Liberty City is named Lonzo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You need to get you a puppy. You need to get you something to keep you grounded.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, no, I can't do that. I can't. All my furniture white here. I don't want no dogs running around here. I ain't got no time for that. Everything. Everything in here is white.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you can, you know you can train an animal, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I ain't got that kind of time. I ain't got that kind of time, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, so the top two top ten trash talkers. Ocho is number one, Smitty number two, Sherm, three. Myself at four. Time is five, Philip Rivers. I mean, think about it. A quarterback has made the list.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, he be. He, he don't curse, but he, he funny though. He be talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

God dog it. Hey, with that one, when he threw that touchdown against Jacksonville and he screamed at the old guy there, hey, hey, hey, ref, tell him not to scream. I. Okay, I will scream in your ear. No, you won't touch.

[Chad Johnson]

Thugs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sugar and Courtland Finnegan. Oh, yeah, that's a nice little list. It's a nice list.

[Chad Johnson]

It is, it is. I mean, sure. I'm sure some people will look at the list, they would disagree with the numerical order.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I got one. John Randall. You gotta have Johnny on.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gotta have Johnny on the. We came out. We came out the same. The same draft in 1990. Johnny was a. People don't know this, but Johnny was a free agent. Johnny got drafted as a 230 pound defense. 230. He was 230 as a defensive lineman.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And turned himself into one of the great DTS that had a relentless motor.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir. Yeah. D.T. he was nice. J. Was nice, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Apparently, Cam called us out to think he's a better trash talker. Let's listen to what Cam had to say.

[Chad Johnson]

But when it comes to putting these.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nouns and verbs, you know what I'm saying?

[Chad Johnson]

Putting it together, you the best. It comes down to just being witty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You dig what I'm saying?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I'm trying to tell you, Peggy, sometimes you gotta point your toes east and west to let everybody know who's the actual best. And I, no disrespect to Unk Uncle Shay and Chad Chadwick Johnson, huh? But they would have hated me. Cause I'm gonna get personal. You feel what I'm saying? You gonna do some research? Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. We got to do that. I don't fight fair.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I don't talk fair. But it's some truth behind everything that I say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's where I'm willing to go, man. I say something o to make your kids hate me.

[Chad Johnson]

You see? You see that? See, he's talking trash. Trying to get under someone's skin. That's not the type of trash talk I did. I talk trash in an entertainment value way. For fun, to have fun. To let you know we gonna compete. See, that's just talking. I went. I took it the extra mile. Do people not realize? The week before a game, I FedExed the secondaries gifts as a small way to taunt in a certain way. Nothing malicious. But to have fun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was a token of your appreciation.

[Chad Johnson]

Exactly. Huh? To let you know I'm thinking of you, d'. Angelo. Oh, I sent them boys in Atlanta send them gifts. You know, obviously, we know what I did for the Steelers. I had. I had a. I had a sponsorship with degree deodorant. I sent the Raven Secondary. I sent in degree degree degree deodorant. You know, as a gift. Cause y' all stink. Or you're gonna be stinking when I'm done with you. Yeah, like, that's all. That's all fun and love and, you know, before gay. So that's. It's his type of trash talking. What I'm doing is completely two different sides of the spectrum. But I respect what he did. But he's nothing. Not even close. We're not in the same stratosphere when it comes to talking trash.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because for me, like I said, I went to an hbcu.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, now. That's all you need.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go to an hbcu? I don't believe. I don't know who's out There listening. That has been to an hbcu. But if you can't, Joan.

[Chad Johnson]

You ain't gonna survive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't survive.

[Chad Johnson]

You ain't gonna survive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, me, I'm. Hey, y', all, y', all, y' all heard me going back and forth. I'm talking about, we just. This ain't. No, you know, hey, I don't know who I'm gonna talk trash to in the game. It all depends on who starts talking trash back or who started first, right? I'm gonna get it started. You know, I'm gonna say something and I'm gonna see. I'm gonna keep going until I ate. I'm gonna turn the door handle to see what's. Which one's open. Because a lot of them be locked. Don't. Yo, they ain't gonna say nothing to you, right? But I'm gonna keep. Hey, everybody don't lock their doors at night, right? You know what I'm saying? If somebody run down on you because, you know, it used to be in the 70s and early the 70s and 80s, you can sleep with your door open, let alone locked.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But now people get crazy after dark. You got to keep your hand on your thing. So with that being said, everybody locking the doors, but not everybody. Somebody go forget.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because they thought somebody else locked the door. Oh, that's when I turn to handling and be going on in. Yeah, but Cam, look, I. I know you good. I know you good at putting things together. You know, adverbs and, and predicates and pronouns and adjectives. Oh, no, but when it comes. When it comes. Wait, when it comes to lip sparring. Yeah, I'm talking about what? Hey, just. Hey, just go.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, talk to him. Hey, and. And Cam, that's another thing you worried about who's the better trash talker. Yeah, I need to be practicing Madden. That's what you need to be doing. You need to be practicing Madden. Cause I'm still waiting on that smoke all that talking you doing. As a matter of fact, I got the new Madden already. I got Madden 26.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you practiced by the time. So when he get it, you gonna be proficient at it.

[Chad Johnson]

Matter of fact, the funny thing about it is Unk, I am the best gamer. I'm the best Madden player in the world. I have an advantage over everyone else because I'm a part of the production of the game in itself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So.

[Chad Johnson]

So the fact that people think they can beat me, it's almost laughable. Like I told you, Cam. Cam and DEZ Bryant I love them fellas. They play for recreation. I play video games as a way of life. It's how I pay my bills. That's why I don't understand when they come at me, talking about beating me in a video game. What you talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

My life's getting cut off. If I'm playing for bills, you think.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm a miss my light bill and my mortgage. Cause you think you gonna beat me in Mac? Man, please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, my life's getting cut off. I ain't got. You know, I ain't got no. Got no central heating and cooling. Because if I got to play video games to pay bills, you're gonna be in the dog. I'm jumping off. No, I mean, the only thing I probably could. I probably can't even play Ocho. I probably. I mean, I think I played like, I used to play Ms. Pac man, play Josh or something like that. But I was. I mean, we have no video. I mean, we get. We could go to the arcades. We get a couple of quarters, or we go. My sister would go wash clothes, and they would have some video games, a pool table, something like that. But I was. Nah, nah shooting pool now.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, you know how to shoot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I beat Efren Reyes. Beat Minnesota fast. They called me Slim Willie Moscone, Steve Miserack.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I don't know about that. But you gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jeanette Lee, you have.

[Chad Johnson]

Vivian, you got to show me. You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got the house.

[Chad Johnson]

You got to show me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Best in the house.

[Chad Johnson]

Ooh, you got to show me, cuz. Pool is what I do, huh? Pool is what I do. They listen un. You know what they used to call me? I used to play at the pool hall right on 54th street, right off. Right off of 10th, 12th Avenue. But they used to call me Sugar Cane. My pool stick. My pool stick looked like Sugar Cane. It was green. Yeah, it was green. They call me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You Green. If you think you could beat me, man, you can't be Slim. You can't be Georgia Slim.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't do it to yourself, please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't be Georgia. I beat Fats. I beat Minnesota Fats.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, now. Ask about me out here in the city, man, when it comes to. Hey, listen. When it comes to the pool. Pool table, when it come to ping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pong, I beat the.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what I do. When it come to handball, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I beat the ish out of you in table tennis.

[Chad Johnson]

Come. What? Listen, what. Boy, I told. They called me Sugar Cane. I had. Had. I had a green pool stick. They called Me, sugar, I'm going mess.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Around and catch you one day. I'm going catch you one day somewhere and they going to have a pool table in there. They have a table. They have a table tennis thing in there.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, wait, wait, wait. We. You ain't got to catch me nowhere. I. I come where you at and we can go to a pool. Cause we got plenty of them. I bet you got your own stick. My stick right here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, I beat you with a broomstick. I don't need no damn pool cue to beat you.

[Chad Johnson]

See, you ain't. You ain't no. You ain't no real. You ain't no real pool player.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't mess with the house.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey. I'm a shark man. They call me when they. They call me when somebody at the pool hall that think they good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll let you win a couple of games to make you bet the money. Then I come in there.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, come on, man. Tighten up this Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

While we away, there's some people that have some words for you.

[Chad Johnson]

For me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chris Carter has some words for Ocho. Last week he said there were points. Oh, yep. He said there were points in Chad's career that you had to go out there and tell him what to do because he couldn't get open to save his life. He couldn't get open against average guys. Chad Johnson scored double digit touchdowns one time in his 11 years. I think I scored double digit touchdowns six times. Scoring the football is the number one play as a receiver. No, I was not a burner. I ran 4 6-465-But can do it every single day. Can do it for four quarters and the consistent at it. Oo.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what that get. Child, please. What. What are we.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. I don't. I'm just.

[Chad Johnson]

Before I have a question, before you even go. What the hell does that matter? What does it matter? Okay. You scored double duty touchdowns. Okay, cool. You want a cookie?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Julio brought this on. Have you had a conversation with. Have you had a conversation with Cece?

[Chad Johnson]

No, I don't need to. I have a question, so. Right. I heard also he said, well, he only had double digit touchdowns one season, so he's not a Hall of Famer. Well, does that mean Julio Jones is not a Hall of Famer either? Because Julio Jones only had double digit touchdowns one season. You hear how dumb that sounds? Yeah, well, sometimes I listen to things and, and. And everyone's situation is different, you know. Everyone's situation different, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, so Stuff like that. I pay it no mind because everything is predicated off numbers and based on what they did, based on other people's situations were different. You know, obviously where I was. I did the best I could with the cards I was dealt and I did one hell of a goddamn job.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't care about what you did. I don't care about your numbers. It don't make. It don't make me none. Why is my name even being brought up?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I was. That's what I'm trying to figure out. I don't know why it was brought up. I don't. Because, like I said, Ocho, me, I don't really listen to anybody else's podcast. I, I got enough thing to try to, you know, to try to make our podcast better than what it is. And I got Club Shae Shay. So I'm trying to get guests and I'm going with the book. It's like, okay, who do you think we should get? Blah, blah, blah. So I don't really have time to pay attention, but it just kept popping up. Not only on, kept popping up on Twitter. And then I saw it on the Internet. I'm like, okay, what brought this about? I said, did Ocho say something about him or what?

[Chad Johnson]

For one, you know, I don't talk about people. Let's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we definitely don't talk about people that do what we do.

[Chad Johnson]

Never. And you know, I don't talk about, about nobody, you know, but, you know, congratulations on everything he said. I happy. I happy for you, Chris Carter, your double digit touchdowns and, and your hall of fame and all that other good stuff. I love you. I wish you content, continued success and whatever it is you got going on, baby. I know what we doing over here, though. I know, I know, I know. I know where I'm going. I'm going that way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe he wanted you to respond.

[Chad Johnson]

I did respond. I just said I love him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but I'm saying I thought, I mean, I think maybe he wanted you to respond in a different way. And then it goes back and forth.

[Chad Johnson]

I ain't got time for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We don't got you grown.

[Chad Johnson]

Let me tell you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got, first of all, you got kids. I got kids. I got grandkids. I'm not fitting to go. Look what we did. We did. I can't. He can't go back and score no more touchdowns. You can't go back and score no more touchdowns. I can't go back and score no more touchdowns.

[Chad Johnson]

Who can't we?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right here.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hold on. I'm still scoring touchdowns right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. Yes, you doing that great job. Oh, man.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm still scoring touchdowns in life. He talking about when we played. I don't care about that. I'm scoring double digit touchdowns right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sure.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on now. You're not seeing. You're not. You're not hearing where I'm coming from.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hear what you're saying. I know, I know, but that's my thing, is that sometimes we get caught up and talk about what we used to do.

[Chad Johnson]

What you doing now? Talk to me. What you doing now?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We were all great at once upon a time in our own right. Okay. You know, you did what you did. I think Cece played 16 seasons.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, how many? How many?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He played 16.

[Chad Johnson]

How many? I played?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. Hell, you played. I think you played 11 to 12, didn't you?

[Chad Johnson]

11? How many. Hey, I played 11. He played 16. How many, y'?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Chad Johnson]

How many yards you got, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look here, I'm just.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just asking. I'm just trying. I'm trying to get a better understanding. How many yards you got?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. How many yards does CC have? But. Okay. The chat says CC snapped because he was pissed at Ocho for saying that he could beat Travis in a one on matchup 10 out of 10 times.

[Chad Johnson]

Why is he worried about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bro, we'd just be joking when we say stuff, man.

[Chad Johnson]

It ain't that serious. He knew that. He knew that because I do the same thing with everybody. He just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do. And somebody said, oh, can you not challenge everybody that come on here? Who you.

[Chad Johnson]

Everybody that come on here can get that work. You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Travis Hunter got a tick below 14,000 yards. He had 13,899 yards.

[Chad Johnson]

So he played 15 season, 16, I think 16. And he got what, 13,000 yards?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Almost 14,000.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, so he plays 15, 16. He only got 3,000 more yards than me and played five more seasons. I had 11.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I guess. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay. I'm just trying to get a better understanding on why. Okay, cool. Anyway, but like I was saying, anybody that come on this show, I have the utmost confidence in my ability in being able to do any and everything. That's something that a lot of people in this world lack. Even if you feel you can't do it, you have to feel you can, because everything starts up here in the mind. So everybody that comes on here, regardless of what sport they play or whatever it is that they do, I feel I can beat them. And if you feel, if you feel you can beat me doing that, what you do best, whatever it may be, you're gonna have to show me. You gonna have to show me. Matter of fact, Chris Carter. I lock Chris Carter ass up right now. Talking about what he did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you should. He's 60, huh? He's 60.

[Chad Johnson]

What that mean? He talking like he still got it. Get out here, get on the field. Line it up. Put your cleats on. I lock your ass up too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him and Travis Hunter, we. We got a pulse. That's what we got. So we breathe it, we walk it, we get up out of bed. We're in our right mind. Blood running warm of our veins.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. See, this is the thing about it. One thing about the wide receiver camp, the workshop that I just had, is I'm not just talking. I'm not just saying what it should look like. Uncle, I'm out there with my cleats and my shoes on. What? Out there running full speed. I still got it. You hear me? So it's one thing, once you go back in that structured environment, you know, with the X's and O's and you have a receiver coach that actually never played, never really played the game. They just know the game based on paper and what it should look like. Yeah, like I'm not there running them routes with you. I'm not only just. I'm not telling you what it should look like. I can actually display it and show you. Boy, this is. This is Picasso.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'll say this, look, I've known Cece a long time. His brother and I used to hang when we went to the Super Bowls and stuff. I would just say this, Cece know when the man joking, he wasn't that serious.

[Chad Johnson]

Cece, I love you, baby, but put them cleats on, Put them cleats on. I'm gonna show you double digit touchdown. I put these two hands in your chest, boy, you won't catch shit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ben Roethlisberger felt compelled to recently weigh in on whether he'd have rather have Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes on his team. Well, I would take Aaron in his prime over Patrick now. I think Aaron Rodgers prime was one of the few to ever do it. And so Patrick is at his prime. Patrick Mahomes is just entering, just entering out of his prime, I think. Does man realize, Does Ben realize how utterly ridiculous he sounds?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, but. But obviously, you know, he's gonna go, he's gonna go with it with someone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A contemporary.

[Chad Johnson]

Right? Exactly. Someone a little closer to him. Despite the success, the early success in such in the early career that Patrick Mahomes has had. Obviously Ben knows how great Pat is, but obviously Aaron Rodgers was special despite not being able to have the number of Super Bowls, only having one. But if you look at Aaron Rodgers numbers in his prime, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Despite him not being able to win the. Win the big games consistently like Patrick Mahomes is done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what. So I, I thought, I thought that was the objective. Because people make it seem like Aaron Rodgers did not have good teams. Go back and look at the receivers that he had. Go back and look at the receivers that he had and go back and look at. Do you believe the last three Super Bowls, Aaron Rodgers could have got that, that receiving group to the super bowl, considering he could only get to the super bowl one time with Jordan Nelson, with Greg Jennings, with Donald Driver, with James Jones, with J. Michael Friendly. So do you believe he could take that group that Patrick Mahomes took? He couldn't even get that man couldn't beat Jimmy Garoppolo.

[Chad Johnson]

That's not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But somehow he gonna get to. And he gonna win a sub bowl.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, the MVPs are impressive chat. Y' all know I've been one of the biggest, one of the loudest in Aaron Rodgers fans. He's phenomenal. He was phenomenal. But to base it on Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes in 21 postseason games is 1743 Super bowl wins. Aaron Rodgers in 22 postseason games is 12 and 10 with one Super bowl win.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And that. And also.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And look at the guys that he's lost to.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tom Brady beat him twice, Joe Burrow beating. And now Jalen hurts beat him. Now go look at the guys that beat Aaron Rodgers in a playoff game. The matter of fact, the man got beat by Jimmy G twice.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on. Jimmy G had a nice squad around him. Now he had a nice squad around him. And all Jimmy G had to do. Jimmy, don't mess it up. I tell you to take the ball. Don't mess it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't game. Give Patrick. Okay, if I give Patrick Mahomes that squad, what you think? You. You think Gar Rodgers beating Patrick, you. He gonna beat Patrick Mahomes with that squad? Cuz you say Jimmy G. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You. You put, you put Mahomes around any team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, Mahomes is one of the few Quarterbacks, un. You can put them on any team. And it elevates everyone else around him. Yes, elevates everyone else around him. Because he's just that good. Not only physically, but he gonna beat you here too. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, bro, he beat Jay Cutler. Jay Cutler got hurt and got on a stationary bike. He thought he was at a Tour de France. So he didn't want to play football no more. He just wanted to ride the stationary bike. Look, I mean, you beat who you beat to get to the super bowl. But I. Look, this has been Roethlisberger's opinion, but I vehemently disagree with this. Yeah, vehemently. And I think the thing is he's basically on MVPs. He's basically on MVPs. And Aaron Rodgers has four. Yeah, but look at those great seasons that came out to be duds. See, the thing is, is that Oo, can you do. If you got a great offense, can you get done? Can you score a point when you need to? If you're a great defense, can you get a stop with the need to. Can you get off the field on third down? Can you get your offense the ball back? Can you not let them flip the field? You got them backed up. Can you make them stay there and not flip the field? Get the ball to midfield and then punt it and pin you down inside the five? Can you do that? Aaron Rodgers has four regular season MVPs. One subo a Super Bowl MVP. Patrick Mahomes has two Super bowl, has two MVPs. Three Super Bowl MVPs. He's been to five.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you're saying. Now let this sink in. The man has already been to more Super Bowls, has more regular, has more postseason wins, has more post, has more MVPs. And he's not even 30.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And I think it's more to it than that. Obviously we don't know what Ben is indicating, why he picked Aaron Rodgers, but also want people not to forget how special Aaron Rodgers was as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's being said.

[Chad Johnson]

And how gifted he was as a quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he was as physically general. He and D are talking about just pure throwers of the football. Aaron Rogers, Dan Marino, take your pick. But this is what he said. Oo, yeah. I think Aaron in his prime was one of the top few to ever do it. And so Patrick at his prime, Patrick Mahomes is just entering out of his prime. So you. So in other words, he said Aaron was one of the top to do it, but Patrick isn't. Cause I wouldn't say that what he said. He said, I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of the top to ever do it. So by his. By his what? His word said, if Patrick Mahomes is coming out of his prime, he was one of the top to ever do it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So from 23 to 39, he goes to five Super Bowls, wins three, three MVPs, two regular season MVPs, two 5,000 yard seasons and a 50 touchdown season. But he ain't one of the top. Who not one of the top few to ever do it. Now Chad, do y' all see how utterly ridiculous that sounds? Now I hope we got this right. Let's just make sure we got this right. Double check that. Well, I would take Aaron in his prime over Patrick now. I think Aaron Rodgers in his prime was one of the top few to ever do it. And so is Patrick at his prime. Patrick Mahomes is just entering out of his prime. I think. So he think Patrick Mahomes is out of his prime now?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I don't know. But obviously Ben being a quarterback that played with, not with, but against Aaron Rodgers, I think that's where he's picking him instead of. Instead of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, because I think, I think Ben came in in 04 and I think Aaron came in in 05. So you know, you see that's kind of like.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the, the error. Yeah, I don't know about that one.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To each his own.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I was going to say every, everyone, everyone has a preference. You know, sometimes the goalpost move. Regardless of what the accolades and what someone has done, there's always someone else that they like better. Regardless.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what Patrick Mahomes trainer had to say to Ben. Not everybody quits working out at 30 being.

[Chad Johnson]

He said that for real?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. That's my first time here. That's my first time here. When the trainers talk trash. I like that. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I, I think he, I think he commented because there was a somebody I think in the Kansas City media, right, talked about Patrick Mahomes and talking about his body, look like he eat pizza and stuff like that. I want my quarterback to look just like Patrick Mahomes. I want my quarterback to look with his shirt off, look like Tom Brady, look like Peyton Manning. That's what I want my quarterback to look like.

[Chad Johnson]

No muscles.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want no muscles.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want no muscles. I want him to have because I want him to be able to twist. I don't want him to you're spraying it, straining, no obliques.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want all that. All that muscle, the shoulder that hit.

[Chad Johnson]

So basically you want your quarterback to look, have a dad bod.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what granddad is possible. You just kept over dad grand.

[Chad Johnson]

I like it. I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like I said, look. And that's not to take away from Aaron because like I said, Chad, y' all know me. Y' all saw me on the other show. I was. And I. I still think Aaron Rodgers is. Is. Was phenomenal. Is he. Is he what he once was? No. As we get older, as an athlete gets older where he could elevate everybody else, now he needs help for him to elevate. Look at Tom, right? Tom, he had. He couldn't get. He was not going to be able to get those Patriots because now he goes to Tampa and he got Godwin and he got Mike Evans and he got. He get Gronk to come back and he got other. Some other weapons and he got a solid offensive line. And you see. But after that super bowl, you see, Tom threw for what, 5,000 yards, but it didn't have the same ump to it.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It didn't have the same. Like those, like he throw it for 300 yards, but the majority of the time they were playing from behind. And so the 300 yards didn't have the same pizzazz. It didn't have the same impact.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like I said, there's no denying Aaron Rodgers is a top quarterback wherever you want to place him. I don't think you put him in top five because he didn't win enough championships to beat top five. Especially when you're talking about Brady and you're talking about Manning and you're talking about Joe Montana and. And you talk about my homeboy. Just like, just that alone. Just that alone keeps him out. But I don't know if you can keep him out of the top 10 because those four regular season MVPs, only Peyton Manning has more. The touchdown, the interception ratio.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know how you keep him out of the top 10.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. I'm surprised that he didn't make the 75th anniversary team because, you know, they tried to. They didn't want to load up in any one particular era. They can't say, well, let's take all the guys from the modern era and then we leave guys like Johnny Unitis or, or Otto Graham or some of these other guys out. So, you know, look, Joe, Peyton and Tom, those three were going. They're gonna be on this anniversary verse. Anniversary team, right? And then they took John, they took Marino. That's five off the top of my head. I can't remember. I think Johnny Unionist, I think he was there. I think Otto Graham was there. Seven. I don't. Like I said, I don't really remember all of them, but I think, you know, they tried to get a mixture, they didn't want to load up and said, okay, we're just going to take the receivers from. Because, you know, you got to take Don Hustle now. You leave out, you know, Charlie Hennigan, you know, you know, Jerry and Randy. For me, I thought to deserved to be on the 75th anniversary. I really did.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely. We talk about top three, top two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You might not like his antics and said, okay, he killed a locker room. All I know is this. That man got the third or the fourth most touchdowns ever, where he got the third most touchdowns for a receiver.

[Chad Johnson]

See, and that's the problem. That's the problem that I have is the people that have the power that call the shots, that control everything on who's allowed to be on this list, who's allowed to be in that. That's why I don't like the politics that come with it. I don't like the politics that come with it. Why you think I donned my own jacket? Why you think I donned my own jacket? Because I understood how it works. And I'm not finna play that game because as far as I'm concerned, I'm one. It's one thing I don't like, and I'll just say this real quick. One thing I don't like about former players that had great careers and they know they've had great careers and they have their knowledge numbers. I hate, I hate the, the, the, the, the. The almost begging in a sense, to be a part of something that was created and you have to. You have to pander to want to be in it. It's like being an actor and knowing that you have great movies, that you've had a great career doing movies, but you never won an Oscar. Yeah, that doesn't take away none of the work that you've already done that's set in stone. It doesn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what? I look at it, I look at like Denzel. Denzel is one. He won for glory, supporting role, and then he won on the lead role for Training Day. But if Denzel didn't win any awards, does that make me think that Denzel isn't a great actor? Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I saw him in. In Cry Freedom playing Bantu. Steven Biko.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw him playing Ruben Hurricane. I saw him in Hurricane. I saw him play Malcolm X. I saw it with my own two eyes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm gonna add to that. I saw him live in New York play Othello.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

And never forget a line.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. I think he was encouraged. Wasn't he? Encouraged Under Fire with. What's the guy name? The guy passed away recently under. I mean, it's sad that he and his wife was dead for years. Gene Hackman.

[Chad Johnson]

Gene. Hat. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Gene. Gene.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wasn't that courage on the Fry. I saw him in the Pelican Brief.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I saw. I saw him in Inside Man. I saw him. So even if he didn't win an award, I seen enough of him to know what greatness is.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely. And I just don't like the need for validation because they put hall of Fame. Well, if you're not a part of this, then what you've done is not valid when that's just not the case for so many. It's okay. It's okay to have a great understanding, to be an actor, to be a football player, you know, or. Or to be an artist, to be a musician, you know, sometimes as great as you are, they don't see you as that. And it's okay. It doesn't take away the fact.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

On the body of work that you put in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was in Encourage Under Fire. What was that movie when he was at. With Gene Hackman about the submarine?

[Chad Johnson]

Crimson Tide. Crimson Tide.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Crimson Tide. Yes. Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he played that role. Hey, he played that.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, he played it. Denzel. Denzel has unbelievable range. Unbelievable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Crimson Tide, I think, was Crimson Tide with Regene Hackman. Courage Under Five. Thing was Meg Ryan, he was in another movie with and Dakota Fanning, where.

[Chad Johnson]

Proof of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was it Proof of Life. Wasn't in a movie called Proof of Life.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't. I don't know that one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Saw him in all the Equalizers. I saw him in Devil in Blue Dress, Harlem Blues when he was Bleak. He was playing the trumpet. Man on Fire. That's what it was. You remember that, Ocho?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Wapita.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man on Fire. Wapita.

[Chad Johnson]

Wapita. Marc Anthony.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Any more wishes? I wish you had more time. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Classic. This is an I Heart podcast.