Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc FIRES BACK at Asante Samuel, Tony Baker & Mannie Fresh join; Ocho has Ro Sparks

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay – "Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc FIRES BACK"

Episode Information:

• Title: Club Shay Shay
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts, The Volume, and Shay Shay Media
• Description: NFL legend Shannon Sharpe—3x Super Bowl champion and member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame—sits down with the biggest athletes, celebrities, and influencers to discuss their accomplishments, challenges, and everything in-between.
• Episode: Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc FIRES BACK at Asante Samuel, Tony Baker & Mannie Fresh join; Ocho has Ro Sparks
• Release Date: March 29, 2025

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1. Opening Discussion: Debating Asante Samuel's Legacy

The episode kicks off with a heated debate between former NFL players Tony Baker and Chad Ochocinco (Ocho) regarding the legacy of Asante Samuel. Shannon Sharpe moderates the discussion, aiming to delve deep into Samuel's impact on the game.

• Tony Baker (06:42): "He played more games. Look, bro, you had an unbelievable career. You're one of the hundred greatest players of all time. Let’s see his resume."

• Chad Ochocinco (19:18): "I'm putting him on the Mount Rushmore of the best comedians to ever exist."

The conversation intensifies as Tony challenges Chad to compare Samuel against other NFL legends like Darrell Revis, Rod Woodson, and Charles Woodson.

• Tony Baker (32:25): "Asante, you had a great career, bro. You went to Pro Bowls, you're a first-team All-Pro, you made an All-Decade team, you're in the Hall of Fame. But you ain't Gronk, you ain't Travis Kelsey."

Shannon Sharpe interjects to highlight the complexities of evaluating player legacies beyond just statistics.

• Shannon Sharpe (12:40): "Stand-up comedy is difficult... There's so many factors and variables that go into it."

2. Exploring Stand-Up Comedy with Chad Ochocinco

Transitioning from football, the podcast features Chad Ochocinco discussing his foray into stand-up comedy and the creation of his special, "Scaredy Cat."

• Chad Ochocinco (09:24): "I started doing stand-up in 2008... By the time I started 'Scaredy Cat,' we accumulated years' worth of material."

He elaborates on his comedic influences, citing Damon Wayans, Sinbad, Jerry Seinfeld, and Bernie Mac, emphasizing his approach to keeping his humor largely PG-13 to resonate with a broader audience.

• Chad Ochocinco (10:43): "Damien Wayans, Sinbad, and Jerry Seinfeld are my three influences... A sprinkle of Bernie Mac."

Shannon underscores the challenges comedians face, acknowledging Chad's dedication and the intricacies of engaging an audience.

• Shannon Sharpe (12:40): "People don't understand how difficult stand-up comedy is... The material has to hit, you have to engage with the crowd."

3. Musical Insights with Manny Fresh

The episode further diversifies as Manny Fresh joins the conversation, sharing his journey in the music industry. He reflects on his beginnings as a DJ influenced by his father and his evolution into a producer with unique "gumbo" sound blending various musical styles from New Orleans.

• Manny Fresh (49:34): "Growing up in New Orleans, bro, it was music all over... I call what I do gumbo."

He discusses his collaborations with notable artists and his contributions to Cash Money Records, highlighting pivotal moments like producing "Back That Ass Up."

• Manny Fresh (50:10): "BG was the first album that I did... Chopper City was a rap album that changed the whole label."

Tony Baker delves into Manny's production techniques and his role in shaping the sounds that defined New Orleans' music scene.

• Tony Baker (49:27): "How did you come up with 'bling bling'? That's something clever about it."

4. Continued Debate and Banter

The dialogue between Tony, Chad, and Shannon resumes with further analysis of Asante Samuel's career metrics versus his peers. Tony emphasizes Samuel's statistical achievements and challenges the notion of his standing without substantial evidence.

• Tony Baker (36:53): "He got more PR, he had more pass breakups and fewer interceptions. How many pick fixes did he have?"

Shannon attempts to mediate, appreciating the back-and-forth but also pushing for a more nuanced understanding of player evaluations.

• Shannon Sharpe (25:09): "If you were bad at what you do, then I will always come out and say that."

The conversation showcases the passionate perspectives of former athletes debating legacy, statistics, and personal experiences on the field.

5. Light-Hearted Interlude and Final Thoughts

As the episode nears its end, the tone lightens with playful exchanges about appearances and personal anecdotes. Tony and Chad joke about hairstyles and share humorous takes on their current lives outside of football and comedy.

• Tony Baker (64:08): "If you give me five best beats, what are they?"

• Manny Fresh (59:58): "Let's go from five to one. 'Go DJ,' 'Get Your Roll On,' 'Hey Man, Get Your Roll On.'"

Shannon wraps up by highlighting the importance of belief in one's abilities and the value of comparing achievements in a respectful manner.

• Shannon Sharpe (46:59): "If you were bad at what you do, then I will always come out and say that."

6. Conclusion

The episode offers a multifaceted look into the lives of NFL legends as they navigate discussions about sports legacies, explore new ventures in comedy and music, and engage in light-hearted banter. Shannon Sharpe adeptly balances the serious debates with moments of humor and personal storytelling, providing listeners with an engaging and insightful experience.

Notable Quotes:

• Tony Baker (06:42): "You had an unbelievable career. You're one of the hundred greatest players of all time."
• Chad Ochocinco (10:43): "Damien Wayans, Sinbad, and Jerry Seinfeld are my three influences."
• Manny Fresh (50:10): "Chopper City was a rap album that changed the whole label."
• Shannon Sharpe (12:40): "Stand-up comedy is difficult... The material has to hit, you have to engage with the crowd."
• Tony Baker (32:25): "But you ain't Gronk, you ain't Travis Kelsey."

This episode of Club Shay Shay masterfully intertwines sports analysis with personal growth stories, offering a rich tapestry of conversations that cater to fans of football, comedy, and music alike.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Tony.

[Tony Baker]

Tony. What's going on, bro?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's up, y'all? Can y'all hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And hear you. I can see you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that's that. Thanks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got a light?

[Tony Baker]

Phone, but it's okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The light, the light too bright.

[Tony Baker]

I got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got the space show. I got to beam me up the alien. I can damage.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You good? You good, bro. How's everything? Everything good, though, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't got no complaints, man. I'm golden. I'm back on tour, so, you know, getting, getting, getting my pockets replenished. Just bought a house.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, every. Every morning, ask the man upstairs, man, to make sure that cup continue to run it over. You're gonna be all right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on. Come on, man. I bought my first house, so I need every time.

[Tony Baker]

Oh, did you?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man. Just bought my first house.

[Tony Baker]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Southern California. So you know they're gonna charge you $8 million for one and a half bedroom, zero bath.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Congratulations. Congratulations, Tony.

[Tony Baker]

Did you all. Tony, did you always want to be a comedian? Did you. Were you a class clown? Were you funny? Always. When did you decide to say, you know what? I'm gonna be a standup?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what, man? I was always funny and didn't realize it because I'm the youngest of three boys. So I'm trying to. I'm trying to crack jokes at the house, but my brothers would never laugh. That gave me nothing. So I would go to school. I would go to school thinking I wasn't funny. So I'm making the kids laugh, but it didn't even register because I was like, man, I ain't funny at home, though. And then, you know, when we young and we teens and we. And the girls, you don't want to be funny. You trying to be old.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what I'm saying? You got the Jodeci boots on. You just like, yeah, girl.

[Tony Baker]

They'd be like, you funny.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'll be like, no, no, I ain't trying to be funny.

[Manny Fresh]

You know what?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm saying. And so I. I never really paid attention to my funny until I got to college. And then that's when it clicked.

[Tony Baker]

But, you know, women like guys. But Tony, you know, women like guys that are funny. One of the things that they say, a sense of humor, laughing right up by the drawer.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I found that out later. I found it out.

[Tony Baker]

But let me ask you this. When did you get into the voiceover? Because that's kind of how I stumbled upon you. You were doing voiceover cast, dog. I forget. What's the Scotty. Scotty Curtis. Curtis mascotti. How did you get into the voiceovers?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what it was? We always had pets growing up. So, you know, I never lived without an animal in the house somewhere until I went to college. And so I was always wondering what they was thinking about just looking at cats and dogs and, like, what y'all thinking about. And so I did this. I did two videos. It was one of this goat in Brazil just harassing the hell out of everybody, man. Just. You just crammed, man.

[Manny Fresh]

He just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He knocked this lady over. She had grocery bags, and this dude tried to save her. So that was the very first one I did. And then I did the second one. This raccoon was eaten out of a cat food dish, and the cats were surrounded and looking at him like he crazy. Like, yo, man, who's the man right here? And he's looking at them, and then he dip off and then come back for one last scoop and then he run off.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And so that's the one that went viral. And so I was like, let me. Let me just do these for real. And I just kept doing them ever since.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you. You had a comedy special, Scaredy Cat. Can you walk us through the creative process and the prep you had behind the special and how everything came about?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, so I started doing stand up in 2008. So really, my voiceovers are just a vehicle to get you to come see me live. So I've been doing stand up since then. So, you know, I'm just doing. When I started doing stand up, I'm doing everything I can get my hands on, man. Every. Every show, every competition, every bringer show, I'm just doing whatever. And so I'm just accumulating all this material. I'm getting up every night, dog. I'm, like, doing multiple stages a night. And so by the time I started Scaredy Cat and I met these cats that I still work with, Brennan and Tony, at Transit Pictures, and they was like, yo, let us shoot you A special. And I was like, all right. You know, and so they put it together because they do dynamite work. And so we went to New Mexico State. That's where. That's where I went to college. And we shot the special there, you know, low budget, guerrilla style, independent. Just shot that movie. And then. So that's like years worth of material that we just culminated right there.

[Tony Baker]

Tony, who are your. Who is your inspiration when you grow up? When you, like, you're like, okay, take a little bit of this, take a little bit of that. Who are your inspirations? Who are some of your inspirations in the comedic space?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, when I was growing up, I'm 47, so, you know, Delirious was the first time.

[Tony Baker]

Just blew my head in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you know about that, man, Come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, anybody that knows that was around at that time, that special just blew everybody's head off. And so that's when I first took in a comedy special for real. And then as time went on, you know, I saw Raw. But then I started watching, like, comedy, and I was like, damon Wayans, Sinbad and Jerry Seinfeld are my three influences with a sprinkle of Bernie Mac. So those. Those are like. Those are my influences right there. And so I feel like I'm a combination of those three that I mentioned. And. Cause I feel my mom don't like a lot of customs, so we can watch Sinbad together.

[Tony Baker]

Right? You know, that's what I was about to ask you. Because I don't hear a lot of. I don't hear a lot of cursing in your comedy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I try to keep it PG13 for the most part. Like, I don't wanna. I don't wanna get too clean because I don't want to get stuck in that box. But, you know, so I try to keep it pg 13 so my mom won't cringe up.

[Manny Fresh]

So.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But yeah, send that Damon Wayans the way he was just, like, storytelling through the character act out.

[Tony Baker]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And then the way Seinfeld just details every, like, little basic human experience that we have. Talking about socks for, like, 15 minutes, talking about toothpaste, talking about cereal. I could do that type of stuff, too. So those are my three influences right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think people understand how difficult. How difficult stand up comedy is. I think they think people are funny. You just stand on stage in front of a crowd and it just works. Not understanding that the material has to hit. You have to engage with the crowd. You have to have stage presence. There's so many factors and Variables that go in for a comedian to be able to stand up in front of people. Have said material, Remember said material and the delivery to be on point.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So my question is, how different is your approach when it comes to doing standup versus the content you put on social media? Or do you just approach both the same way?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, the way I write is like, I. I think of a premise. Like, I'll be like, I'll be at the grocery store tonight. I'll be like, man, look at this lady right here. And then next time I get on stage, I'll be like, man, I was at Whole Foods. The famous lady right here. And so I write it in real time like that. I keep the premise of mine. I'm gonna say this and then, then I start.

[Tony Baker]

I keep doing it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The more I go up and then I edit and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay.

[Tony Baker]

And do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Do it like that. And so because like the way my mind works, I'll forget it if I don't. If I don't like, write it down or do it right away. Yep. And so that's my approach to like stand up my voiceovers. And like the content, it'd be in the moment, man. Like when people. People used to send me before I kind of stopped doing voiceovers because Instagram keep pulling them off my page and I want to get my page deleted. But people would send me videos all day long. They still do. And so they'd be like, hey, man, hey. Oh, man, this. And so I'll look at the video maybe once, twice, and then I'll just think of the whole scenario. Like, I got a voiceover where it's these two cats. There's one outside the window and one.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah. And Curtis, let me holler at you right quick.

[Manny Fresh]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because the one outside look like he been about that life.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He want Curtis to come outside so he can give him these giberty real. And so when I'm looking at that, I'm like, oh, I got the conversation right here. So he like, hey, Curtis, man, why don't you step outside, let me holler at you.

[Tony Baker]

And then.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And then he disappeared for a little.

[Tony Baker]

He fell. He. He fell.

[Kyra K. Dixon]

I'm hurt.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Help me, man. I failed it. Then you come back.

[Tony Baker]

Why? Why you ain't help me? You told Scotty. You freaking me out. Scotty, you freaking me out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man. And so. And I like production value too. So, like, if I do a voiceover of a giraffe running from a lion, I'll be outside running when I record it.

[Tony Baker]

So you get to think, like, it's like, it's really. Like that's what's really happening.

[Manny Fresh]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Like, you can hear me running outside and be like, oh, man. It's not like he really running. So some people appreciate those little nuances, right?

[Tony Baker]

Tony, give me my Rushmore comedians. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna give you top four. Okay. I'm give you two of the ones I just named. I'm gonna give you 10 bad.

[Tony Baker]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And this is my. This is my personal one. I can give you a comedy. Mount Rushmore. I can give you my personal you.

[Tony Baker]

Hey, I want yours. Who are your Mount Rushmore comedians? Tony Baker. Mount Rushmore.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Gotcha. Damon Wayans. I feel like. I feel like his HBO specials are underrated. We know Damon is a legend.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I feel like this comedy specials don't get talked about enough, man. This is crazy. So I'm going to give you Damon Wayne. I'm going to give you Sinbad as well. I feel like Sinbad don't get talked about enough to be that funny and that clean and that consistent is crazy. And his crowd work is banana. So I got them two on there. I'm going to give you. Dang, man. Because I wanna. I wanna throw Eddie on there. But he only got two specials. But they was monumental.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah. Eddie Murphy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Eddie Murphy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Murphy. Okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He only got two of those. I'm gonna be like, I'm slide him off.

[Tony Baker]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna put him on the legendary Mount Rushmore. But since he only got two, I'm gonna slide him off. And then I want to put George Carlin on there because, yeah, I love Carlin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's my boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

George Carlin, man. George Carlin, man.

[Tony Baker]

Just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I can listen to him all day. And the way he breaks something down.

[Tony Baker]

Is just, hey, I got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I have all his specials.

[Tony Baker]

Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That dude was crazy, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got it.

[Tony Baker]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He there. There are very few comedians that you go and see where you have to think. He makes you think. He forced you to think.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep. And then not only that, not only thinking, you gonna walk away having learned something.

[Tony Baker]

He's very socially conscious. Marriage.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Tony Baker]

He's very socially conscious. He's gonna talk about things in real, real life that you're dealing with. And you think like, damn, he put that in perspective. You know who the great. I think one of the greatest storytellers, especially of this generation, Chappelle.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who that?

[Tony Baker]

Chappelle.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Tony Baker]

And he. He could take. The way he can diffuse our audience and talk about things that you shouldn't be talking about. And. And before you know it, his snl, when he did SNL a couple years ago, Bake, it might have been the greatest monologue in Saturday Night Live history. If you haven't seen it, go back and look at his monologue. Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what's dope about Chappelle? The way his comedy transformed. If you go back and look into Killing Him Softly or his early specials, it was more rapid fire, more jokes. But then he developed into, like, this monumental storyteller where you just like listening. You just like, man, this dude breaking it all the way down to where the jokes sneak up on him. It's like, I don't know. I don't know if success made it more comfortable in his approach to where he could just be like, y'all gonna.

[Tony Baker]

Rock with me anyway.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me just sit down, take my time.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what I'm saying? But his transition is just crazy. Patrice O'Neal is another.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Classic.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If. If he didn't pass away. Oh, man, no. No telling. No telling where he would have went.

[Tony Baker]

What about Prior? What do you think about Prior?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what I feel about Pryor? I would put him on the Mount Rushmore of the best comedians to ever exist. Because when you look at Def Comedy dan, it was 2735. Richard Pryor's on that thing. Like, he birthed so many comedians that if you were young and didn't catch Richard Pryor in his prime, you would go back and look at a Richard Pryor especially, and be like, yo, this reminds me of, like, Def Jam. That's because they were born from hell.

[Tony Baker]

Yep. Asante Samuel saw the clips of us debating him in prime, and he responded to us. Ocho. That's your problem, pimp. You're also brainwashed at Shannon Sharpe. I'm not worried about what everyone perceives to be true, like yourself. I stand on facts. You have yet to talk about the facts. You can easily be manipulated, just like everyone has because of marketing. I bet you won't debate me big facts. Shannon Sharpe. Safety has a short. Safety has the short middle. Nobody's in the deep but me and the receiver. You don't know the truth, pimp. You just talking out your with no facts. Let's talk. Or you scared like everyone else, bro?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I didn't know he answered you like, okay, I like that. I like that, huh? Hey, y'all. Hey, y'all. Hey, listen, we can have a club Shay Shay, right? Listen to me now. Stay with me. You have a Club Shay Shay BB edition. A good conversation, PowerPoint presentation style film up there to support each of your opinions and facts that you might have.

[Tony Baker]

It had no opinion. He's not time. What are we debating?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me finish, baby. Let me finish. Listen, I'm giving you the ultimate content right now. Something that's never been done before. A format that's never been done before. Two players. Actually three because you were part of it too. Three players. You got prime and Sonny Samuels and you. You one that loves a breakdown film. He's also one that loves breakdown film. Now just picture this. You talk about you think Cat Williams did a whole bunch of numbers. What you think you and son sitting down, you know, going over. Okay, you want to prove it? Prove it. Die in the sky.

[Tony Baker]

Don't lie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just throwing the idea out there because the format has never been done before.

[Tony Baker]

I've given coach time and myself have given Tony Samuel more tension since he's been retired than he's ever gotten. After tonight, I'm done with this. There's nothing to debate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My bad.

[Tony Baker]

There is nobody, there's no one going to say he's in the realm of time. He's in the realm of Darrell Revis. He's in the realm of Rod Woodson or Charles Woodson or Daryl Green or a male Blunt. He's not. I don't give a damn what he says about the film. He played. He played more games. He played more. Look, bro, you had an unbelievable career. Congratulations. You're just not tying. You're not time, you're not rebus, you're hold on. Did he make an all decade team? Because time made all decade and he's one of the hundred greatest players of all time. Let's see his resume. Let's see his body of work. I complimented. I said time. Don't believe in waste emotion. The T step worked well for Asante. I gave him a compliment. Let's see his resume. So he didn't make all decades. Four time Pro Bowler, one time ball pro. How many times? How many Pro Bowls did Tyon made? How many? All team. Yes. Oh, same number of su Bos. But one guy was a defensive player of the year. One guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power. How many DBs can say swung the balance of power? He go to one team to keep the other team from going. He go to the other team and keep that team from going. Bro, you had an unbelievable career. You went to a Pro bowl, you an all Pro. You're not timed. And there's no. And that's not a knock. It's okay, it's okay. But I don't know why you getting mad at me. I tell you what. Find. Go find the gm, go find the coach. Go find a player that says Asante Samuel is the equivalent or better than time. That's all you got to do. Hell, your son won't say you better than time. And he a junior. Let's be real, man. You coming? I'm the wrong one. You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you doing? Where you going?

[Tony Baker]

I got that. I don't know what you're talking about, bro. I don't know what you're talking about. I complimented you. I said you had an outstanding career. I say the T step served you well. I just said you weren't tired. That's okay. If somebody says, you know what, Shannon? You had an unbelievable career, Shannon. You went to eight pro boys, you're a first team all Pro, you're an all decade player, you in the hall of Fame. But you ain't Gronk, okay? You ain't Travis Kelsey, okay? But you ain't gonna go no other tight end. Let me talk about. You ain't that. If you want to say Gronk, if you want to say Kelsey, Shannon, you not that I ain't finna fight you, but you ain't gonna go no more. You ain't gonna go no more. Because when I left every record that a tight end could have, I had it catches yards, touchdowns, most yards of the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, so hold on. Just now that, now that you mentioned that when it comes, when we factor in the numbers and statistics, does that play any factor in Assadni's case or. It doesn't matter. Just curious.

[Tony Baker]

He had more pr, he had more pass breakups and fewer interceptions. How many pick fixes did he have? All I know is when I left the game, I had every record that a tight end could possibly have. Ain't nobody had them but me. Now, they done came along and broke him. Gonzo broke him. And Gates did this and drunk and this and that. But I don't know why he mad at me. I gave him a compliment. Yeah, I said he had an outstanding career. I said the T step for him served him well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like the convo. I like the dialogue. I would love especially for not the casual fan, but for people that are fans of the game. I wish we could dive a little bit more. I'm obviously not here on the show.

[Tony Baker]

I'm just asking you find a general manager, find a head coach, find a receiver, because he talking like he was. That he might. I guarantee you when you find somebody that say he a top 10, a top 10 cornerback. If we go back and study history, top 10 corner. So we got time. We got Revis, we got Mel Blunt, we got Rod Wilson, we got Daryl Green, we got a Niels Williams, we got Mel Blunt. Okay, that's seven right there. Where we, where are we going to put him in the list of all time and the history of the NFL, right? Is he cracking the top 10? Everybody loves a challenge, right? What if we challenged ourselves to grow our savings by the end of the year? If you stop for coffee every day on your way to work, why not put the same amount into your savings account? When you open the Chime checking account, you're one step closer to a better financial future. With no maintenance fees and fee free overdraft up to 200. Making progress has never been easier. And if you want access to your pay before payday, you can use my pay to get up to 500 with no mandatory fees or interest. Learn more at chime.com nightcap when my kids were in college, they seemed to be overdraft their account at least once a month. My daughter would overdraft her account by the end of the day. They would be embarrassed because they know how I felt about financial responsibilities and the fees were ridiculous, but mostly because they were embarrassed. Join millions of Chime members who are working on financial progress. Again, no monthly fees or maintenance fees. Fee free overdraft up to 200 up to 500 of your pay before payday with no fees, no interest and Chime offers 50, 000 fee free ATMs. Make progress towards a better financial future with Chime. Open your account in two [e-mail] nightcap that's chime.com nightcap Chime feels like progress.

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[Tony Baker]

That's your. I mean, that's your homeboy. He in Florida. I want you to tell me, you tell me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where would you put him?

[Tony Baker]

No, I'm asking you. I just named seven guys. Which one of those seven guys you are you putting him in front of?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You heard me?

[Tony Baker]

Y'all listening?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm asking you.

[Tony Baker]

Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey. You putting him in front of Champ?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't answered the question.

[Tony Baker]

Are you putting him in front of Champ?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You heard me.

[Tony Baker]

I'm listening. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where would you put him?

[Tony Baker]

I ask you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I asked you the question.

[Tony Baker]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now I'm asking you, where do you rank him? Based on.

[Tony Baker]

I'm asking. I just asked this man a simple question. I gave him seven, eight names. He told me. Where would I rank him? I asked you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, because I get it.

[Tony Baker]

And you gonna probably bump into him. Hold on, hold on. At some point in time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hold on. It don't matter who I bump into.

[Tony Baker]

Okay? Well, you got in front of the guys that I mentioned, brother.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He addressed you. Why are you asking me the question? He addressed you, so I'm asking you, where you at?

[Tony Baker]

I already said it. Are you putting. He's not in front of Time. He's not in front of Reavis. He's not in front of Rod Woodson. He's not in front of Charles Woodson. He's not in front of Mel Blunt. He's not in front of Neil Williams. He's not in front of a. A Champ Bailey. That's seven, okay? That's seven guys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? Not now, dude.

[Tony Baker]

Who is he in front of? Is he top 10 all time in the history? Dick? Night Train Lane, Emil Tunnel, Is it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey.

[Tony Baker]

I'm just asking. He got all these facts. Who is he in front of? I tell you what. Who is he in front of the list that I just named.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now? You.

[Manny Fresh]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. You name. You name all. You. You name all time. Like, all time.

[Tony Baker]

He talking like he all time great. That's the problem. Nobody got a problem with him saying he's not good. We're talking about. He talking about. I didn't. You talking about all time great. The guy that I list, he's at the front of the line. Ty. Mel Blunt, defensive player of the year. Charles Wilson, defensive player of the year. Rod Wilson, defensive player of the year. There have been a lot of guys, but number two, one is at the front of the line. He talking like he in that group. There are group. Look, we go into a room in the hall of Fame, okay? We go into a room, we all into a room. But there are certain guys at certain tables. We in the room, but we not at that table. He not even in the room. He on the outside. Hey, y'all know I played, right? Yeah, but this for Big Dog. Keep it a stack. So I will chat y'all tell me of the guys that I list, who he better than? I ain't mentioned Pat P. I ain't mention Mitchell Sherman yet. I just. I just gave y'all a couple of names. I want you to tell me who he better than than the list I listed. Who y'all putting him in front of? Chat. Y'all putting him in front of Deion. Y'all putting him in front of Revis. Y'all putting him in front of Charles Wilson. Rod Woodson. Y'all putting him in front of Mel Blunt. Who are y'all putting? Champ Bailey. Who are y'all putting him in front of? Asante Samuel? Who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Tony Baker]

I'm. I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to. I'm trying to see. I'm trying to see what the chat talking about.

[Tony Baker]

No, I want. No, I want you to see what the chat talking about. You played against it. What you talking about? You played against Charles Wilson, you played against Fat P. You played against Sherm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't playing. But, you know, I did my thing everywhere I went. You hear me? It was like Halloween. If I knock on the door, I'm coming to get some candy.

[Tony Baker]

I'm asking you a simple question. Of the guys that were mentioned, who is he in front of?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I wouldn't say in front of because you. You mentioned, you know, the greats, but he has. He has the numbers to be in the room. I know. I know that much. And you base everything off numbers. When you talk about. Let me finish before you say anything. When you talk about mj in comparison to Michael Jordan, when it comes to debates in any other sport, we always bring up the numbers, but all of a sudden, the numbers are ignored. When it comes to. Now talking about the dude ain't none of the. In comparison.

[Tony Baker]

He got four Pro Bowls. Hold on. This dude got four Pro Bowls.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen to me. I'm not finished. Okay, but again, now we understand, but when we do a comparison based on greatness, you know, I'll tell you what. Guess what?

[Tony Baker]

Your former coach had three Pro Bowls and 62 picks. You taking Dick LeBeau.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, and he might know about. Hey, what you know about the bows Whack. What you know about.

[Tony Baker]

You just told me numbers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean that. Listen, that's what everything is based off of, right?

[Tony Baker]

Yeah. No. Okay. Numbers. Okay. Let's go all pros. Let's go Pro Bowls. Let's go all decade. Let's go defensive player of the year.

[Manny Fresh]

Right, Right.

[Tony Baker]

That's part of numbers also. Just not picks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Tony Baker]

I look at it like this. If you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns, you're done.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I see what you're doing. I got it.

[Tony Baker]

I thought the job of a corner is to take away more than you give up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a great combo.

[Tony Baker]

I'm just waiting on this man to tell me, who is he better than. Than the list I renamed. Now we're gonna have. Guess what? Let's have the conversation. Hopefully, Lord, spare both of our lives, we're able to have a conversation another 10 to 15 years.

[Manny Fresh]

We will.

[Tony Baker]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna need to see a gold jacket on his back because all the guys that I mentioned now, hey, Jalen Ramsey is going to be coming up. Richard Sherman's gonna be coming up. Pat P. Is gonna be coming up. You see what he trying to do? Oh, it's all about marketing, bro. You played on the Patriots. Ty Law played on the Patriots. Ty Law got a red jacket and a gold jacket. So don't do that bull job about marketing. If you. Who was on TV more than the Patriots? Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, during. During that. During that. 20.

[Tony Baker]

During that time. Who? Yeah. Oh, so now it's marketing time. Ain't no marketing, bro. Yeah, he marketed himself to know how to parlay that. But that man on the field. You better go check them tapes. Either you can or you can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a great conversation, boy. That's a. That's a good one now.

[Tony Baker]

Oh, Millie Brown, Mike Haynes. Mike Haynes got nine, like, nine Pro Bowls. You better go check.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a great combo. Oh, let me grab me a one.

[Tony Baker]

Asante. Go ahead, bro. Asante. You had a great career, bro. You're a good player. You just say all I said. You weren't tired and you had to get personal. I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, if. If you wanted to come on Nightcap to get. To get your name out there, you could have did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Listen. That is a great combo, boy. You hear me? It's a great.

[Tony Baker]

What. What's a great combo?

[Shannon Sharpe]

This one. I like this. I just. Obviously it's not me as the individual, but I'm just saying that's why in.

[Tony Baker]

His prime, is he better than Stephon Gilmore at some point. Hey, Chat. Don't y'all want Ocho to chime in instead of just talking about. This was a great combo. He ain't say nothing. Better listen to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're telling.

[Tony Baker]

This is Nightcap, Uncle Nocho.

[Manny Fresh]

Hold on.

[Tony Baker]

We don't listen to each other. We go back and forth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've been chiming in on. I've been chiming in on.

[Tony Baker]

No, you ain't saying that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm listening to you now. Listen.

[Tony Baker]

You see what he said, Chad? He's listening to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He addressed Shannon Sharp. He sent a long message to Shannon Sharpe. So I'm just listening to.

[Tony Baker]

Hold on. Where did he address Shannon Sharp? What was Shannon Sharp speaking on?

[Shannon Sharpe]

On what? On him.

[Tony Baker]

On Nightcap. Nightcap, Uncle Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. So is your job to answer back.

[Tony Baker]

I get it, Chat. Y'all see, Ocho don't want to chime in. Eva Florida. Ocho might bump into it. Y'all know me. I don't give a damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean. And what is bumping what up?

[Tony Baker]

What? See, here's the problem. Here's the thing with Shannon Sharp. Whatever Shannon Sharp say on Nightcap, Shannon Sharp, if he bumped into said player, Shannon Sharp is man enough to stand on that, bro. You not time. You not Charles Wilson. You not Rod Woodson. You not Darrell Revis. You not Mel Blood. You not Mike Haynes. You not Daryl Green. You not facts. Now, of the 10 guys that I named, find a coach, find a receiver that say, Asante Samuel is better than any of those guys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, in the way. The way. The way you make it sound. See, you being mean. You hear how you make it sound. You make it sound like. Like Buddy was trash or something.

[Tony Baker]

I didn't say he was trash.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying the way you talking, like, you acting like we just sitting here talking about some. Just some old bum. We. I'm just. I'm just curious, Ocho.

[Tony Baker]

Who could I say?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I played the game. Listen, I played. Wait, stay with me. Stay with me. Stay with me real quick. I played the game on the other side of the ball, so I know I played against Prime. I played against Zonk. I have an understanding of both and how good they were. What they. Oh, hold on.

[Manny Fresh]

Great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

His prime was and how good Zonk was. So it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know, the. The way you doing. When I saw with my own eyes, I understand how great prime is. But then I know what that young bull was doing as well when he was Playing.

[Tony Baker]

All I said. I said he was good. I said he was a very good player, had an unbelievable career. Look at his technique. He used the technique. He used the technique that Time doesn't approve of. Two things can be true.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Tony Baker]

Okay, some guys like to play, press and open the gate. Some guys like to press and put hands. Whatever technique works for you. But he was talking as if he was the equivalent because he posted his stats and time stats, saying, look at our stats.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Tony Baker]

So he's posting those stats as if he's the equivalent. And I said he's not. I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said he went to Pro Bowls. I think he was an all Pro. I know he won Super Bowls in New England. That's what I said, right? He took offense that I didn't co sign him. I don't need no marketing. I don't need to co sign. I think everybody's known. I didn't have an opportunity to critique time when he played, when he went back for those two years because he was mainly a safety and he didn't start the game. Okay, that's fine. But I've never had a problem critiquing any player I critique. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, you name a player. Ray Lewis, receiver to Randy. I've never had a problem critiquing because I'm basing it on my not intimate knowledge of the game and film study. When I was at cbs, I would watch film. How many times when I was at CBS or Fox, when you ever heard a guy called talk about Shannon Sharp? Don't know what the hell he talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, that ain't gonna happen.

[Tony Baker]

See what y'all try to do? Well, you doing the same. That's not what I said. Nope, nope. I never said I've never. See, the difference is Skip tried to say I said I was better than Tom Brady. I said Tom Brady wasn't playing. Well, why would I, as a tight end, compare myself to a quarterback?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, right, right, right.

[Tony Baker]

I would need to compare myself to Gronk, to Kelsey or a tight end. That's the only way you can get an equivalent. I said. I said, yeah, Asante had a great career. Pro Bowl, Super Bowls, now, God, like I said, you want to say, Shannon, you ain't Trav, you ain't grump. You right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gotta live with that.

[Tony Baker]

You right. You got me, right? You got me. But I'm. I'm just confused. Hey, but look, bro, I gave you 15 minutes of fame. Fame that you never would have Got had you not mentioned me or time. Enjoy it now. Go back to your solitary life. Nobody's gonna. When was the last. I tell you what, Ocho, when was the last time? Prior to last night, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Sante Samuel? Take your time. I'm gonna go get me. I'm gonna go get me some water. Take your time. Hey, Chad. Y'all keep on till it's rested.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. Anyway, chat we back to love set. Get love set. Other than that, it's a great conversation. I like it. I like the dialogue. I like the back and forth. I like players. Also, what we always talk about having a belief, having not. Not not only belief in what you can do and what you've already done and bringing it to the forefront, bringing to the forefront and supporting what it is you've done in comparison to someone else who is also great. And that's okay. Now, a lot of people won't see it that way. As you can see it include none. But one thing I always do see is if you were bad at what you do, then I will always come out and say that. But I played against both and I understand how good both were. I understand how great prime was. Obviously catching him on the tail end of his career and obviously playing against Asante during his prime and understanding how good he was, how much of a student of the game he was. And what I'm not going to do is diminish what I was able to see for years while I was playing and understanding watching film, I'm hearing, understanding how good he was and how savvy he was technically, you know, so it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite side and understand how good he was, you know, so it's hard to see, to say, oh, he's not. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I had to go against this. I had to go against that for years. So it's different. It's different, you know, especially. And a lot of. A lot of people in the chat, obviously some of the comments on Twitter, on X, whatever it may be, their feelings are always different as well, because it's based off who you know and what they've done. Hey, uncle, that was good.

[Tony Baker]

Hey, I just asked you a simple question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Which one?

[Tony Baker]

Prior to last night and today, when was the last time you heard somebody mention Asante Sanders?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm supposed to know. I be on Nightcap every time a.

[Tony Baker]

Tight end break a record, who record they send in there the most 150 yard game, the most this, the most that every Sunday in the NFL season when the tight end does something, who name is up there? When they have them named. He just passed this one. Who name is also up there?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. Ocho.

[Tony Baker]

Don't worry about Ocho. Hey, hey, Chad. All I try to do, I try to, you know, try to go back and forth, but Ocho, you know, Ocho's like, hey, we did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We did go back and forth. That was. That was a good one, though. I know you well, you laughing. I'm saying, for real, that was a good one.

[Tony Baker]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was a good one.

[Tony Baker]

Manny, Manny, Manny. Fresh.

[Manny Fresh]

What's up, bro? What's up? What's happening, Chad?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, what's up? What's up, baby? What's good?

[Manny Fresh]

You good?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man. Listen, I just left New Orleans, man, about three days ago. I'm feeling good. That's my second home now for sure.

[Manny Fresh]

I saw you. I mean, I saw you claiming some wards and all of that, bro.

[Dutch Vet]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. Every bit of it.

[Tony Baker]

Fred. When you look back at your career and you look back, not that your career is done, when you look back at all the people that you've touched and you made beats for, what are you most proud of?

[Manny Fresh]

Relationships, bro. Like, you know, relationships better than, you know, the beats or whatever, to. To bring people together and. And keep them together, you know, even, like right now, what's going on with my crew, like, for us to get back together as men and go back out there 25, 26 years and. And. And, you know, and. And still getting. So I always tried to be the mediator for everybody, you know, Even when I was doing a beat with somebody who was beefing with somebody, I was like, listen, bro, that's foolishness, you know, Put that down and let's get it.

[Tony Baker]

When, like, did you always want to be. Did you always want to be a producer? Did you always want to be in the music? So how did this come about? How did you get into the. And then. It wasn't like you was just like any. You had some of the hottest rappers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Tony Baker]

The Waynes and the juvies and the hot. You had it all fresh.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah. So I started out as a dj, and even.

[Jeff C]

Right.

[Manny Fresh]

You know, I'm a dj. My dad was a dj. So what got me to this was my dad. You know, I used to have to hook my dad's stuff up. I used to have to. My dad was a street dj. So, you know, like, them holding the wall balls, right? What a DJ do, like, you know, a DJ actually puts you in a good mood. Like, you know, if your bill's due, you're going through something. It's the DJ's job to make you feel. Make you forget about that, forget about all of that. And, you know, and that. That spirit just came on me to be like, you know what? This is what I'm supposed to do.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so outside of Pops, man, growing up, who were some other musical influences and how did they shape you or shape the sound? Your sound was different from everybody else. You know, how did that. How did the sound develop you as a producer?

[Manny Fresh]

Growing up in New Orleans, bro, it was music all over. You know, everywhere you went, there was, you know, there was somebody playing something. So I just kind of put all of that together. And the way I call what I do is gumbo. I took elements from west coast, you know what I'm saying, down south, and just made something that was mine. So, you know, you just take a whole bunch of ingredients from everywhere. You know, when we was early New Orleans, you know, in the 80s, we liked west coast and east coast songs. We didn't have our sound yet, so, you know, and then Miami bass came, and then we felt like the 808 is our sound. The 8th street was definitely down south, you know, And I was like, okay. And I was like, let me take a little bit of this East Coast, a little bit of this west coast, and mix it with some of this Luke, you know what I'm saying? That's a good recipe.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, right now, I'm gonna think about the current state of New Orleans sports. You know, your pelicans, your Saints. Yeah. How do you feel about the current state of sports in New Orleans? And what do you think? What is the vibe like? Obviously, during the season, I'm not able to be there. I was there for Super Bowl.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Unbelievable. That's my second home. You hear me?

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So why do you feel right now one of the. Especially the Saints.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah. So one of the things, you know, let's just say New Orleans is. Let's just say it. New Orleans is a party city. So it's getting hard on the athlete. You know what I mean? There's a city where, you know, it never shuts down. Like, you know, so when you come there, you got to come there with the, you know, like, you got to be focused because you could easily get caught up into nothing clothes. Nobody ain't gonna tell you, put that drink down. You know what I'm saying? And if you athletes and you hanging out with rappers, it's just not gonna vibe. It ain't gonna go right. You feel me? So that's one of the things we gotta fix, like, you know what I'm saying? We ain't gonna say no names, but we got a little bit of. We got a little bit of partying going on right now. So if we fix that, you're gonna see an improvement in our teams, bro.

[Tony Baker]

Okay, man. When you look at it, you look at bg, juvie, the hot boys, Lil Wayne, Big timers. How soon did you know that? You know what? That youngest one, the smallest one. Yeah, he gonna be him.

[Manny Fresh]

Oh, bro. Wayne was the first one there, the last one to leave. So, you know, when you. And it was times where his mom might have took him out the group because he had bad grades or whatever, and immediately he improved because it was something that he was like, I gotta figure this out. Like, you know? And he would beg his mom forever to get back into it. But just like I said. And he knew, like, take for instance, back that ass up. Wayne knew to hang around for that song to get the last part of it to do that after you back it up, then stop. Then what, what, What? He was just like, nah, this one of them, you know what I'm saying? And you get that from hanging around to be like, I'm gonna hang around. Because I feel like this is one of those songs, right? So we couldn't get rid of him when we was doing that song.

[Tony Baker]

What about the bling bling? How did he come up with the bling bling?

[Manny Fresh]

It was always a line that was used in a song, you know, like, he would. And I was like, that's kind of clever, you know? And I always thought, like, it was something that stood out about it. It was something about, you know, it was bling that, you know, Wayne was the first person that I heard to say bling, no doubt. You know what I'm saying? But it was something clever about it. So I. I just had. I don't know, like, something just woke me up and was just like, bling bling. Every time I come around your city, bling bling. You know it. When I wrote the hook, I was like, it's something special about this figure.

[Tony Baker]

Worth about 50.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah. I was like, something. Something special about bling.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

I like it. Listen, you also, you also shared a very, very, very interesting story coming up with for Baja Mans, who let the dogs out but not receiving credit. Can you tell us how to help?

[Manny Fresh]

Well, I wasn't supposed to get credit because I was just joking around, you see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Manny Fresh]

I was in Circle House, you know, and there's some people that's out here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's right.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah, I was at Circle House, you know, when that happened, you know, I was with bibing them, like, you know what I'm saying? And somebody just said like, hey bro, do you want to. Well, one of the dudes from the who, the guys who own Circle House and a certain. Right. So one of them was just like, hey bro, we got somebody in the studio if you want to work with them, like, you know what I'm saying, they working on something. And I just mentioned, you know what I'm saying, something in playing like, you know, because I think I was doing Still Fly at the time. And I was like, hey, how about if y'all try this, you know what I'm saying? I'm hitting the beat going, you know what I'm saying? It was like, oh, we good? I was like, yeah, don't worry about it. You know, and it was one of them songs where you hear and you just like, damn, I remember that. You know, so in real life I'm not supposed to get credit. It was me helping out.

[Jeff C]

Okay.

[Manny Fresh]

But it's one of the moments where you say, like, I never thought that song would have been that big, you know.

[Tony Baker]

Right.

[Manny Fresh]

And it turned out to be something huge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They took off.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah, man, if I, if I, if I put you under the. If I put you under this gun and I say, manny, give me your five best beats. What are they?

[Manny Fresh]

Damn, that's tough, bro. Yeah, I never even thought about it like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'ma say, let's. Let's go from five to one. Like, you know, okay, man, I'll start with probably. Go dj. You know what I'm saying? I'll go from go DJ to probably. Hey, man, get your roll on. Yeah, okay, I'll go. I'll go to get your roll on from there. I'll go to. From get your roll on. Let me see. I was made them anthems. Ti top back. I let my beat down, low down.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah, man.

[Manny Fresh]

Hey, you know what I said then where I'm at. Damn. I got two more.

[Tony Baker]

Yep.

[Manny Fresh]

400 degrees and back that ass up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that's classic. Classic. Classic.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, how did you get linked up.

[Tony Baker]

With Birdman and Cash money?

[Manny Fresh]

Through me, DJing in the club. I had a mutual friend that was like, hey, dude, some dudes are starting a label, right? And I was like, I know of them because I DJed all over New Orleans. So when we met, I was like, hey, bro, I heard they had a record out already, but it was something that was kind of. I was like, that ain't it, bro. You know, I started out with that. I was like, that ain't it. So, but if we gonna do this, we go, you know, I'm like, we gonna do it for real. Cause I'm like, I'm all in. So we finally got to a point where they was like, okay, you know, we gonna get out the streets and we gonna do it the right way, you know? And when they made that decision, we started making bounce records and cash money. The first generation of it was bouncing twerk records, you know, often to rap. BG was the first album that I did. Chopper City was like a rap album. And that. That changed the whole label. That changed it to okay, now it's strictly rapping. It's all.

[Tony Baker]

Wow. Hey, I see them. Wilf, behind you. What you got? What you got sitting on? What you got sitting behind you?

[Manny Fresh]

Oh, man, this is my garage. I got a couple of Rorys right here.

[Tony Baker]

What?

[Manny Fresh]

Hey, man, I guess now for the get down. No way. Yeah.

[Tony Baker]

That didn't fan down. Okay, Is that an M3? That white. Is that an M3 BMW?

[Manny Fresh]

Listen, what you call. Let me bring you over here, man. Come on. Let me bring you over here. This is a clown.

[Tony Baker]

Shoot a Z3, okay? A Z3. No, Dwight, when. The one you pass, what's the one you passed?

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah, Nissan 240.

[Tony Baker]

Okay. 240. Okay.

[Manny Fresh]

Okay. Furious.

[Tony Baker]

Okay. The M3. That's a. So what. What is this? What. What's that right there?

[Manny Fresh]

Right here is an Acura nsx.

[Tony Baker]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, I remember them.

[Tony Baker]

Right here.

[Manny Fresh]

You got a Corvette. Okay, is that a split window? This is six, seven.

[Tony Baker]

Okay.

[Manny Fresh]

Three is the split window. You got.

[Tony Baker]

Yes.

[Manny Fresh]

Shelby Mustang up here.

[Tony Baker]

Okay. Got an elevator fitting up there.

[Manny Fresh]

I said this is a993 Porsche.

[Tony Baker]

Okay?

[Manny Fresh]

And you got the Rory right there. You got another one up there. You got another one back here.

[Tony Baker]

Damn. Hey, what's that green. Is that a Porsche?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, as a Porsche.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah, you got the Rover truck right there.

[Tony Baker]

The. Okay. You got to have that roll.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah, you.

[Tony Baker]

Hey, you. So you got a combination you like, kind of old and the new?

[Manny Fresh]

Hey, I like a little bit of everything, bro.

[Nate Thompson]

Okay, Right, right.

[Tony Baker]

I like that, man. Damn, man. You. You. Hey, hey, can you joke your boy? I want to dj, let you hook more. Baby like that.

[Manny Fresh]

I've been hustling for a long time.

[Tony Baker]

Well, let me ask you this, Manny. Who haven't you worked with that you would love to work with?

[Manny Fresh]

They dead, bro. Marvin.

[Tony Baker]

Really? You said Marvin Gay.

[Manny Fresh]

Hey, all my favorite artists is kind of out of here already, you know, if not, man, J. Cole. Let me. Let me. Let me say. Yeah. It ain't too many people that I haven't worked with. You know what I'm saying? But I'm an old spirit, really. You give me Shaka Khan, I'm gonna be all. If I didn't work with them, they took something, they sampled the music, you know, borrowed the music, one way or another. And I'm very grateful that it's like 27 years later and the world is still jamming these records.

[Tony Baker]

Manny, did you ever think that when you start, when you was DJing, you're following your dad around to those old. We call them juke joints, holes in the walls. Did you ever think that following your dad around and hooking his equipment up and you starting on your own, that it would take you to where you are now?

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, bro. I'm somebody who. I believe in saying it, you know, the power of words.

[Tony Baker]

I've always.

[Manny Fresh]

Until it got on a lot of people, nerves that, you know. You know, when you got somebody, you could write something on your refrigerator and they like, that will never happen. Like, you know, write down that, you know what I'm gonna have a million dollars and they like, take that. Take that off, you know, And I'm like, let it sit right there. I need to. I need to see that every day. I need to keep on. But I was that person. Still. Still that person. Feel for me is tell me what I can't do, and I'm gonna prove you wrong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that.

[Tony Baker]

Yesterday, man, if somebody asked us, which would be. Which would look more awkward, me with a beard or Ocho with a full head of hair. Why y'all got twist? Y'all got twists. Don't hold your head. That's you, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I look. I look normal, though.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah, yeah, he do look normal, bro.

[Tony Baker]

You gave me that splotchy ass beard. That's what I want to do.

[Manny Fresh]

You look like Old Spice commercial. Ready?

[Tony Baker]

Yeah. Hey, hey. They got. With that splotchy ass beard that you.

[Manny Fresh]

Ain'T too, dude, for the whole Spice commercial.

[Tony Baker]

It don't connect. It don't connect to the goatee. It's not halfway up my face. Come on, man. Y'all did me wrong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's funny.

[Tony Baker]

My beard look like I got the main.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, I still look the same with a head. With a full head, man.

[Tony Baker]

So what we got coming up? You got. You got any projects at work? You got.

[Manny Fresh]

Yeah, we on tour. You know what I'm saying? The hot boys is on tour. So, you know, look for us to come to your city soon, you know, and the cool thing is, I think we've done maybe five shows in all. Five. We've sold out. All the stadiums still selling out. And there's no opening act. None of that. It's just us. So like I said, I think we got maybe 20 more dates to do, and I foresee, like, we probably gonna do 20 more after that. So, you know, we on tour right now. Doing it big, man.

[Tony Baker]

The biggest superstar in your city right now is Zion Williamson. He seemingly got his weight down. They say he's, like 264, which is as light as he's been since he's been there. What advice, if you could. If you had an opportunity to sit down, and I don't know if you have. Maybe you have. But if you had an opportunity to sit down with Zion, what's some of the advice you would give him?

[Manny Fresh]

Leave them beignets alone.

[Tony Baker]

But it's hard. Hey, man, it's hard to eat healthy in New Orleans.

[Manny Fresh]

That's.

[Tony Baker]

Cause like you said, you got po, boy. You got etouffee.

[Manny Fresh]

You got everything.

[Tony Baker]

You got boudin.

[Manny Fresh]

Destroys athletes, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's tough. That's a tough one.

[Tony Baker]

Hey, man. And, man, thanks for joining us, man. We appreciate it.

[Manny Fresh]

For sure.

[Tony Baker]

Thank you for all the beats. Because like you said, you think we gave you five, but you got 25, and you got anthems. They're not just beats, they're anthems. And anytime somebody pop those on the club, gonna get hyped.

[Manny Fresh]

Thank you.

[Tony Baker]

Gonna get hype.

[Manny Fresh]

Thank y'all for having me, bro. Appreciate it.

[Tony Baker]

I appreciate it, bro. All the best.

[Manny Fresh]

Thank y'all, brother.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate it, man.

[Tony Baker]

And Fresh, man. Man, hey, I might need to start DJing, Ocho. I ain't got no garage like that. Huh? My garage got two cars in it. A Race Rover and an old BMW.

[Manny Fresh]

He got some stuff, bro.

[Tony Baker]

He played I ain't got nothing. I ain't gonna lie to you, man.

[Manny Fresh]

Just do it like I'm doing it. Hey, keep it to yourself. You'll never see it on Instagram.

[Tony Baker]

Oh, hell no.

[Manny Fresh]

Keep it to yourself.

[Tony Baker]

Hey, you. You put anything you put on Instagram, they're gonna try to come get it.

[Manny Fresh]

Hey, bro. There you go. So good night to y'all, bro. See y'all, Right?

[Tony Baker]

Appreciate it, Manny. Have a good one, bro.

[Manny Fresh]

All right, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Tony Baker]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Tony Baker]

Yeah, I put one in my tongue.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Tony Baker]

Yeah. Yeah.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Tony Baker]

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[Tony Baker]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know. And you know how the rappers. You know how the rappers always spread money?

[Tony Baker]

Yeah, they spread their money, spread their bread out like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, G Spray. I'm g. Spread the rolls out. I'mma spread the rolls out.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah. Let's go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, somebody, some. Somebody, somebody. Daughter in trouble.

[Tony Baker]

I don't know who. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah, somebody go. Hey, man, y'all better stay away from. Oh, your rear ain't gonna need a line. I'm just saying stay away from it. Now. The Liberty Flames got blown out in the first round of the 2025 NCAA tournament by the Oregon Ducks. Unfortunately, Liberty head coach Richie McKay, that might not have been the worst part of the night. McKay was interviewed on the sideline by one of the reporters on the broadcast. Ocho, take a look at this photo. Yeah, bro. Does he not know that we know that that's spray?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Let young bull live his life, man. That's that good Beijing. You hear me?

[Tony Baker]

But, Ocho. But if you notice you can't do. You got. First of all, he got. You got to cut it down some because you can't have that much hair and didn't have that. He got that thing looking like Carlos Boozle. Hey, Chad, y'all remember Carlos Boozle when I did that thing, slicked down, had.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A nice little beard. Hey, maybe. Maybe he didn't realize it, and maybe. Cause the light. You see the light shining on his forehead? Maybe it's the light from the camera that's that making it look worse than what it really is. So if the light.

[Tony Baker]

I'm glad it got blown out. Cause can you imagine had it not got blown out? And it's a close game, and he's starting to sweat.

[Jeff C]

Ooh.

[Tony Baker]

Baptist ministers. Them Baptist ministers to be up there in that pool pit. And they got that spray pit in Beijing start dripping down. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, don't do him like that. Don't do.

[Tony Baker]

Man, I'm just telling. Hey, Chad. Chad, Know what I'm talking about. Man, he wrong for that old joke. You can't go out there like we. Now, you know what? Our counterparts might ain't say nothing. But I guarantee every black person that watched that you have something to say always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, listen, we ain't gonna let nothing slide, especially like that. Listen. On national television. Oh, no. He got that good Beijing.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah. Oh, and you might not. You see him in church. You ain't gonna say nothing to church, but soon as you get off church ground, you see that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You hear this here.

[Tony Baker]

I don't know what he thought that was. Oh, you can't. Oh, Joe. Yeah. When you start getting them catalysts in the light, you might well go ahead and cut it down. It's just a matter of time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just let it go.

[Tony Baker]

Yeah, he got them tea toss. That's them T tops. You know, back in the day, you didn't have the convertible.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You had the tea tox and, like, the Camaro. The Camaro, yeah.

[Tony Baker]

There you go. That's exactly right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's right. Bird.

[Tony Baker]

Nah, man. Hey, and he just. Ocho, why he just put it. He should. Went ahead and just put it all over. You can't just. It's too tone. Yeah, he got his regular hair, and then this thing. He jet black.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, listen, maybe it. Maybe. What if it didn't start off that way? Maybe. How about it? Maybe it got like that at the beginning of the game. It wasn't like that. Stress sweating. And that's. That was the outcome of it.

[Tony Baker]

No, if it had been. If he. If that game had been closed and he started sweating, that thing had been all down his forehead. It'll start. Hey, you remember how Rudy. Hey, y'all remember Rudy? Rudy Giuliani? You remember how he started, how he started sweating? Cause he had that rinse in there.

[Manny Fresh]

Right? Right.

[Tony Baker]

That thing was all over his face. That's exactly what would have happened to him. Because that's that spray that. Ain't that beige England. I got that color that. You know, I ain't got that red. This hair ain't gonna sweat. But he got that spray. That spray. You get hot and start sweating, that's gonna start coming down your face.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, hold on now. You just said something. You said something. I ain't for let that go by. You say you got the Beijing, too?

[Tony Baker]

I sure do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For real?

[Tony Baker]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay. I like that. I like that.

[Tony Baker]

I like that. First of all, there are a lot of people. Got it. You ain't about to be 50. First of all, I'm not Pakistani. I'm not Indian descent, so my hair ain't gonna be jet black. Ain't no damn 50, right? And I ain't the only one. There are a lot of mofo. There's a lot of more foes on television.

[Manny Fresh]

Right?

[Tony Baker]

Y'all must be fake. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, hold on, hold on. This is what you need to do now. This might be one of the reasons why you ain't been able to find you somebody. Somebody actually won't. Now, if you're in your 50s, you know, women love a little salt and pepper, so. Yeah, you might. You could stop letting.

[Tony Baker]

They can put it on their salad, but it damn sure ain't gonna be in my head. You better put it on your plate, your food. Because every, Every. Every chance I get, I'm going to. Joe. Hey, color the thing up, Joe. Color.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you. You don't wanna. You don't want to just. You don't want to let the. What it. Think about how. Think about how you look, though, with the all gray.

[Tony Baker]

No, I don't have the all gray. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay. I would. Listen, I'm just throwing somebody just. Just to give them a different look, give. Give the women a different perspective of you, that's all.

[Tony Baker]

I mean, hey, the chat has seen me. I ain't trying to fool nobody. I mean, y'all seen me a couple of times when I can't get back home or get it colored. Hey, I got that great coming in. I mean, I don't know what it is, right? These damn edges.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I'm telling you, you should try it one time. Hey, somebody. Somebody use AI or something. And then change. Unk hair. I just want to see how it look. You might like it, man. Women love a little salt and pepper. Now, you know that. That just let them know that you seasoned.

[Tony Baker]

I am. Hey, look, I fit yourself mucho. Yeah, but I don't know. Now, you can't do that, though. I mean, like I said. Hey, if he'd have had it all one color, if he'd have had all that, we'd have still, we probably wouldn't have noticed it as much.

[Manny Fresh]

Right, right.

[Tony Baker]

But like a lot of times they use that spray to have the edge. Edges crispy. So what they do, they use that spray to get them edges crispy. Right. So it's a little darker than the rest of the head and the hair, but that's too much. He got that thing looking like shoe polish. Hey, I don't know if you ever shine shoes on your. But my grandfather used to have me and my brother shine his shoes and we had to shine our own shoes. So I don't know if y'all noticed about that shoe polish, but hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh man, that's funny. That's funny though. That is funny.

[Tony Baker]

The volume.

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[Tony Baker]

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[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Is Brendan Patrick Hughes, host of Divine Intervention. This is a story about radical nuns in combat boots and wild priests trading blows with J. Edgar Hoover in a hell bent effort to sabotage a war.

[Shannon Sharpe]

J. Edgar Hoover was furious.

[Tony Baker]

He was out of his mind and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He wanted to bring the Catholic left to its knees.

[Brendan Patrick Hughes]

Listen to Divine intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Kyra K. Dixon]

What's up everyone? Julie Swerbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. Thompson.

[Nate Thompson]

We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go.

[Kyra K. Dixon]

The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb.

[Nate Thompson]

Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right?

[Kyra K. Dixon]

Exactly. And you'll never know who will drop by to join us.

[Nate Thompson]

Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe.

[Kyra K. Dixon]

Listen to Energy Line with Nate and jsb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.