Nightcap Hour 1: Unc GOES OFF on Jordan Love in LOSS to Eagles + Brian Daboll FIRING is a SHOCKER + Aaron Rodgers is STINKING IT UP in Pittsburgh

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 1

Episode Date: November 11, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Main Theme:
Recapping a defensive slugfest between the Eagles and Packers, sharp criticism of Green Bay’s Jordan Love, the surprise firing of Giants’ coach Brian Daboll, and hard truths about Aaron Rodgers’ decline in Pittsburgh.

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Episode Overview

• Purpose:
  React to major NFL events from Week 10, spotlighting controversial QB performances and coaching changes. Shannon Sharpe and Ochocinco bring their iconic chemistry, no-nonsense football analysis, and plenty of humor.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Eagles vs. Packers – Defensive Showdown & Jordan Love Critique

[03:14–14:41]

• Game Recap:

  • Eagles win a low-scoring affair at Lambeau, 10–7.
  • First scoreless NFL first half in nearly two years.

• General Tone:

  • “Unless you’re a defensive guy, that’s the only way you enjoyed this game.” – Chad (06:49)
  • Both hosts express disappointment in the offenses, especially with high preseason expectations.

• Jordan Love’s Struggles:

  • Sharpe dissects one particular third-and-seven:
    • “You got a third and seven…they did the Eagles played it exactly how you draw it up…and he takes the seven yards when you need nine. I’m confused, bro.” – Shannon (08:23)
  • Calls out Love’s lack of progression given his contract and expectations.
  • Sharpe defends Love on certain failed plays (e.g., RB's poor route), but insists: “Some things they shouldn’t have to tell you.” (10:25)
  • Sharpe on coaching: “This is why I can’t coach Ocho. Some things they shouldn’t have to tell you.” (10:25)

• 4th and 1 Debacle:

  • Criticism of Green Bay’s hurried approach.
  • “Why you trying to go in a hurry…Take a timeout, give me your best 4th and 1!” – Shannon (12:22)
  • Ochocinco agrees: “That, that actual play…is one that they didn’t go over many times.” (17:47)

• On Play Execution & Intelligence:

  • Sharpe vents about missed alignments and mental errors:
    • “Sometimes…if dynamite was brain, they couldn’t blow their nose.” (15:51)
    • Insists wide receivers should know basic things about lining up.

• Eagles' Victory Formula:

  • Shannon: “The way the Eagles are going to have to win, they’re going to have to win the game more on Jalen Hurts’ arms than Saquon’s legs as opposed to what it was last year.” (22:00)

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2. Packers’ Direction & Frustrations

[22:00–26:05]

• Defense consistently does its job yet gets let down by the offensive side.
  • “Bro, we held that team to 10 points…held Saquon Barkley to 60 yards…. That’s got to be enough!” – Shannon (22:52)
• Soul-searching needed moving forward; Packers’ remaining schedule analyzed, with acknowledgment of tough matchups and no easy wins.

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3. Giants Fire Brian Daboll – Accountability or Scapegoating?

[33:17–41:56]

• Breaking News:

  • Giants head coach Brian Daboll fired after repeated blown leads, including four double-digit blown leads this season.
  • “We didn’t see it coming this soon.” – Shannon (33:17)

• Coaching Carousel:

  • Ochocinco: “Regardless of what coach comes in there, they’re probably going to get fired…some accountability has to be put on the players as well.” (35:04)

• Ownership’s Role:

  • Strong criticism of Giants ownership and GM, tying team mediocrity to leadership:
    • “How’s the general manager still there because he hired him. How is he still there?” – Shannon (34:02)
  • Comparison to Dallas Cowboys’ long string of coaches (“Ownership plays a large part in the success of a team.”) (39:50)

• Quarterback as Savior Illusion:

  • Sharpe: “The only guy that could save my job is the quarterback we drafted in the first round. But in the process of doing that, he put him in harm’s way.” (40:30)
  • Warns against exposing young QBs to too much punishment in desperation to save a job.

• Potential Next Giants Coaches:

  • Ochocinco floats Lane Kiffin, John Gruden (despite lawsuit), Cliff Kingsbury, Clint Kubiak as possible options.
  • Sharpe notes legal hurdles with Gruden, Flores: “It’s gonna be a very interesting situation to see how this plays out. It’s kind of like, Ocho, I got a lawsuit against you. But I want my job back.” (47:35)

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4. Deep-Dive: Coaching Trees and NFL Realities

[52:31–54:25]

• Discusses how certain coaches move through the NFL, calling it an "ecosystem."
• Acknowledges sacrifices coaches make, such as missing family time, for career advancement.
• Ochocinco: “It just makes sense…pairing the quarterback where he had success in college. It makes too much sense to me. Bringing in brother Kiffin from Ole Miss.” (54:39)

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5. On Fan Critique, Expertise, and Social Media

[54:57–57:29]

• Sharpe relays his frustrations with online football pundits lacking real experience:
  • “Why am I talking to y’all about football if sometimes…They don’t know the difference between a screenplay and a screen porch.” (56:14)

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6. Aaron Rodgers’ Decline in Pittsburgh

[58:54–67:48]

• Mike Tomlin’s Review:
  • Candid handling of Aaron Rodgers’ lackluster play, drawing praise for honest, team-centered accountability.
• Sharpe’s Take:
  • “As you get older, you just not allow—you can't summons it up like you once could… you can have those flash games, but they come far and few and far between.” (59:23)
  • Frustration with fans who think criticism of Rodgers is personal:
    • “He come out and say exactly what I said last night…when Aaron Rodgers say exactly what I said, you can hear a mouse peeing on cotton.” (60:23)
• Lack of Supporting Cast:
  • No offensive weapons to lift Rodgers when he’s struggling except for DK; others don’t inspire fear.
  • “He doesn’t have enough players on the offensive side of football to lift him up when he’s not playing well. See, that’s the problem.” (62:59)
• On Speed vs. Playing Fast:
  • “He’s been playing like Austin the First, because I can’t tell he 4.1, 4.2…that’s the difference between being fast and playing fast.” (64:25)
• Rodgers Taking Hits:
  • “At 41 Ocho, I wasn’t trying to take no shots like that in my 20s, you think I want to take a shot like that in my 40s?” (68:01)
  • Jokes about how the accumulation of those hits leads QBs to retirement.

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Notable Quotes

• Shannon Sharpe on Play Execution:
  • “Sometimes…if dynamite was brain, they couldn’t blow their nose.” (15:51)
• Ochocinco’s Take on Expectations:
  • “I ain’t just gonna go, hey, put it all right there, Ocho, I’m gonna think about this… It’s got to be the best option.” (18:53–19:03)
• Shannon on Rodgers:
  • “He was a bad quarterback last night. That’s what I’m saying.” (62:30)
  • “He doesn’t have enough players on the offensive side of football to lift him up when he’s not playing well…that’s the problem.” (62:59)
• On NFL Coaching Dynamics:
  • “Ownership plays a large part in the success of a team.” (39:50)
  • “Having a great elite quarterback can overcome some of the bad decision making that happens all the way upstairs.” – Ochocinco (40:19)
• On Social Media Pundits:
  • “They don’t know the difference between a screenplay and a screen porch.” (56:14)

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Important Timestamps

• Jordan Love criticism, offensive failures: [08:17–10:25]
• 4th and 1 meltdown analysis: [12:17–19:03]
• Eagles’ new offensive identity: [22:00–22:52]
• Giants coach firing – chain of blame: [33:17–36:56]
• Ownership’s impact on team success: [39:50–41:56]
• Quarterbacks and career-ending hits: [68:01–68:17]
• Aaron Rodgers’ sharp decline in Pittsburgh: [58:54–67:48]

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Memorable and Entertaining Moments

• Shannon Sharpe’s Riffs on Intelligence:
  • “If dynamite was brain, they couldn’t blow their nose.” (15:51)
• Ochocinco Advocating for WR Workshops:
  • “Everybody that came to that wide receiver workshop…you see what they doing this year.” (21:04)
• Sharpe’s Imagined Coaching Interview on Zoom:
  • “They didn’t let me. Can I coach from Vegas?…I do all my meetings from Zoom.” (44:27)

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This Nightcap Hour is a masterclass in high-level football talk that’s also unfiltered and relatable for fans. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson break down the Eagles/Packers game, focusing on Jordan Love’s failings amidst high defensive play, and highlight how detail and discipline separate contenders from pretenders. They react in real-time to Brian Daboll’s shocking firing and the reality that Giants’ problems start at the top, not the sideline.

When shifting to Aaron Rodgers, Sharpe digs into the realities of athletic decline, lack of supporting talent, and the physical toll late-career QBs face—delivered with plenty of wit and trademark one-liners. The show is rich in firsthand anecdotes, inside football, and undiluted opinion, coming from two men who lived it at the highest level.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Turned off news altogether.

[Colin Coward]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Colin Coward]

If we got clear facts, maybe we could calm down a little.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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Let's move forward from there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Unless you're a defensive guy. Unless you're a defensive guy. That's the only way you enjoy your.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Microphone where you microphone. We could you muffled oh, shoot my head.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Anyway, hey, I'm glad. Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad you said something. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Yeah. I say unless you're a defensive guy. That's the only way you enjoyed this game. That's the only way you enjoyed this game. You expect. You expect a lot. You, you expect a lot of points, especially from the Green Bay packers, the way we talked about them before the season started with all the weapons that they have. Jordan Love actually continuing to get better, you know, year to year. And it was bad. Huh? It was bad. Saquon almost got loose a little bit. So I expected him to finally make. Make, make his his visit to the party and having a big game and do some. And, yeah, and do some of the things that Jonathan Taylor's been doing as of late but that didn't happen. It was a close game. It was a game where the team with the fewest mistakes was going to win. The team with the fewest mistakes were going to win. And in the end, there was an opportunity for Green Bay to be able to tie it, and it just. It just didn't happen. It. They. They missed. I'm not sure if you enjoyed this game. Maybe you might have liked it based. Based on what you saw, but I'm not going to call it a snooze fest, because I was hyped before the game started. Oh, my goodness. The packers playing. Oh, the Eagles playing. It's going. I. I thought maybe it would have been a ball. It's going to be a barn burner. But, hey, it was. It was upsetting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it left a lot to be desired. I mean, we thinking about two teams, two quarterbacks that's been to the Pro bowl. One quarterback. That's one that's won a Super Bowl. He's been a Super bowl mvp. I don't think either quarterback played particularly well in this game. I thought Jalen Hurts made the throws that he needed to make, especially that big one to Devontae Smith. Could have put a nice. A ribbon on that box bow. A nice bow on the box had he hit to drop that one in the bucket to. To A.J. a.J.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care what y' all say, Eagles fan. Ain't no way AJ Coming back next year, but we'll talk about that a little. Another date and time. Oh, I just. I just don't get Jordan. Love the mistakes that he makes. They got a third and seven. You run. You run the over concept. I'm gonna dangle this cheese out here in front of you, hoping somebody go to the short route. No. Right. Why don't you throw it? They did. The Eagles played it exactly how you draw it up. They jumped. They dropped Musgrave on the O on the short route, and you got the end cut coming in behind him for the first down. And he take the seven yards when you need nine. I'm confused, bro. And. And. And. And I was like, damn, I Wonder what. What LaFleur is thinking? And then he went, looked at it on the iPad. He said, you got to be hitting me. You got to be hitting me. And then he's getting. I mean, he steps up in the pocket instead of all these guys breaking free. All. I mean, he got the shadow cross breaking free. He got the end cut breaking free. He got the over breaking free. And he takes off running like he. Lamar Jackson, bro, throw the ball, Ocho. Yeah, the contract that he got, he earned that. But he's not meeting expectations of what they happened. And I told you, I said, even with this Micah trade, are we sure they're better than the Rams? I've asked you that, Ocho. Are we sure?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. And that was a hard one back then, to answer that question honestly. It was, it was a hard one, especially, you know, with the way the season started, the expectations that they did have. Hell, the expectations that we had watching Jordan Love and we. What he's been able to do as of late, I mean, you, you would think, hell, they gonna be right down and running with the Rangers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jordan Love is just a little bit too inconsistent for my fancy. And the throws that he's missing, ooh, if that's a rookie quarterback or second year quarterback. Yeah, I kind of give him a little. Yeah, I kind of give him a little grace. But when you've a Pro bowl quarterback, when you have the level expectations, when you've earned the money that you're making, you can't make those mistakes, bro. You getting sacked and you going to do what you do. You try to pat the ball to Josh Jacob. Josh Jacob, okay. They coming on a blitz, you hit the guy, leak out, either break out or break in. You can't keep straight up the field, bro. You got to give him an angle to throw you the football. And yeah, this is why I can't coach Ocho. Some things they shouldn't have to tell you. You know damn well Josh Jacobs, you're not going to run no route if you sleeping out and you're going to keep straight up the field. You're going to break out or you're going to break in because you got to give him an angle to throw you the football. So I don't, I don't blame Jordan Love for that, for missing that throw because he's like, bro, if you break out, you give me. I mean, think about it. You got Braun on your hip. You catch this, ain't no telling how far you're gonna go, right? The Eagles, the one thing they're gonna do, they're gonna make plays, they're gonna find a way to get the ball. I thought Green Bay did a great job of Jalen hurts. Get the ball, gets going, get picks up a big and the guy comes in, punches it out. I was like, okay, Green Bay, you might be on to something, but you know, you gotta protect the ball for four quarters when you play the Eagles because they're very opportunistic. They'll find a way to get the ball out. Oo I just need you to help me with one thing then I'm gonna let you go. Take it back. It's 4th and 1. Why you trying to go in a hurry when you've already got first of all, they missed your first the first false start on the quarterback sneak in the first quarter. They missed that one. The damn show missed the one on the tuish push. I'm trying to figure out how can I see things in real time. The officials at the damn game can't. We'll get to that in a minute.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cuz they not hey they they they not supposed to call it they not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Supposed to call it 4th and 1. This is the money down. Take a timeout. Give me your best 4th and 1. Give me your best 4. Okay, what do we like on 4th and 1? What? Hey Jordan, what do you like on 4th and 1? We got three options right here. I like this. Which one do you like?

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Turned off news altogether.

[Colin Coward]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything. It's the rage bait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Colin Coward]

We got clear facts. Maybe we can calm down a little.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the facts.

[Colin Coward]

Let's move forward from there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NBC News reporting for America. Receivers, when they go, when they go double type. When they go jumbo formation. They got four, they got one center, guard, tackle, extra offensive lineman. That extra offensive lineman is a tight end. You got to back your ass up. You're the z receiver, the guy to the open side. Now he's the ex receiver. Boy, look here. Sometimes oo what I get upset about sometimes I be watching these guys play. If dynamite was brain, they couldn't blow their nose. Look at here. This is why chat. I mean it's common sense. Oo, you got an extra lineman. He's on the ball. He's now the tight end. You got to back off. Yeah, the open side is now the ex receiver. It's just, it's just common. It's just so it. And maybe, maybe it's me because some things you just like, oh you. It's just common knowledge. I could just like really think on the fly and just like, okay, yeah, I'm supposed to be on the ball. I made the mistake one time and it cost us a big play. And I promise I'd never be in that situation again. I know who's supposed to be on the ball. But if he lines up on the ball, Ocho Ain't no harm, no foul. I'll back up off the ball instead of having a play with where now all of a sudden we have an illegal formation. Because me, I supposed to be on the ball. You're supposed to be on the N, n N N. You get on the ball, I'll get off. A lot of times guys I like to be on the ball. A lot of times guys don't like to be on the ball because you're closer to the defender. I like being on the ball because it's going to give me an opportunity to get my hands on you. Cuz I'mma throw your ass out the way I beat you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know. You know what that tells me too? Unless after, after 1, 2, 3, 3, 4. Four days to prepare. After three days of. Two days of real, of real practice, five days of fast Friday. I mean, one day of fast Friday. That, that actual play that they did call on, that fourth and one is one that they didn't go over many times, one that they didn't rehearse very many times, one that they didn't go through and walk through on Saturday, on Saturday mornings. You know, when we talk about situational football, in case this comes up on four down and these are the plays we choose from, this is the alignment that we need. That's, that's why they happened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They rushed it. Ocho, why you. Ocho, this is the most important. This is, this is for the game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why would you rush it? I would, I would rather take a timeout because the likelihood of you getting the ball back if, and if you do get the ball back, Ocho, you're not going to get it back with a whole bunch of time. So now, and you look at the position that you're in, look where you are, bro. I'm like, you got to be kidding me. You rushed that on 4th and 1. Normally. Ocho, if I'm gonna invest something and this is my last.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't just gonna go, hey, put it around right there, Ocho, I'm gonna think about this. Okay, Let me think about this. Okay? This is my absolute last here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got. And it got to be, it got to be your best.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's got to be the best option. I mean, the, the Eagles, the one thing they don't, they don't. They're not gonna do. And you can think about Sirianni, whatever you want. They're not gonna beat themselves. They're not gonna beat themselves. They're gonna line up properly. The alignment is going to be where they're supposed to be. If a guy's on the ball, he's gonna be on the ball. If the guy's off the ball, he's gonna be off the ball. Defensively, they're gonna be where they're supposed to be. Man, I watched a situation where they had. They ran 22. They ran what we call cover five. Ocho 22, man. Yeah, man, I watched my Mitchell, man. I thought it was a kung fu movie. Romeo Dobbs ain't moved. Ain't move nowhere. I'm like, damn, son. Oh, you don't laugh, man. Oh, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What kind of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey. What kind of movie? And he ain't moved. Quick stabbed it with one. And he just stands up there like, bro, you got to be. Yeah, all that dancing is fine if you at the disco, but when you're on the football field, you got to be moving forward because the quarterback. Because as he's going back and you're still at the line of scrimmage.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And remember we had the conversation. Josh Jacobs said, we need a dog. We got some good. We need. And all the receivers got mad and they need a dog. Go jump. They need to go. They got. They got. They got good. They got quality receivers. I think Watson is the best, but he can't stay healthy. Yeah, he got so much speed. He got hamstrings. He had his knee. He can't stay healthy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, listen, listen, what we looking for when we talk about a dog? They have such good, quality wide receivers that are really good at doing different things. All. Liz, all is a little fine tuning up. It ain't nothing but a little fine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, they need to come see you so they can get the fight, so they can fine tune it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, and let me tell you something. Everybody, every. If you think about it, everybody that came to that wide receiver workshop in July, you see what they doing this year, right? A J. JSN JSN had my eyes wide open being able to see him in person there. I saw him at Ohio State. I seen him at the Rose bowl. And, you know, I saw him. I saw him. Saw him a little. A little bit last year, but I was not expecting this. I didn't expect what I'm seeing now, you know, and just listen. Dos Wicks, Jaden Reed, come on back down here, man.

[Colin Coward]

Bring.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Bring them, Bring them boys with you, man. Let. Let's politic together. Continue to work on our craft, continue to work on our game and get better for situations like today, for nights like today. Where plays. Where plays don't come come often. And the ones that you do make, you got to make a difference. These are the reasons why you get paid to me, and these type of games are the reasons why you get paid the big bucks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, for me, I think the way the Eagles are going to have to win, they're going to have to win the game. More on Jalen hurts arms than Saquon legs as opposed to what it was last year. Teams are not going to let him run. Wow. Last year it seemed like every game we've coming out here, and we're like, man, how y' all keep letting this man hit his head on the goal post from 60? Yeah, how y' all let him hit his goal head on the goal post twice from 50 plus? Now there's like, we're going to shut this water off. You're going to have to get water elsewhere, and elsewhere is going to be in the form of. Jalen hurts his legs and his arms, but they do a great job. Jalen is rare. That hurts. Turns the ball over. They got it out tonight. You know, he. They got him going down and then boom. Dude, get. Get a. With the peanut punch. He did a great job of getting it out. But if I'm the Packers, the pack, it's a team game. But, you know, the frustration is starting to get built. Ocho, bro, we held that team to 10 points. We held that team to 10 points. We held Saquon Barkley to 60 yards. We held the quarterback to under 200 yards passing. That's got to be enough. Well, it wasn't enough. So you're gonna have to find ways that, like, you're gonna have to create more turnovers. You're gonna have to put him. You're gonna have to put the opposing quarterback under the rest. Now, granted, that's a good offensive line. The big right tackle, he got nicked came out. But you see, when the rubber needed to meet the roll on that fourth down, he brought his ass back in the game because Lane Johnson. Because that's how much it means to him. But this. This Green. This Green Bay packers team, man, they. Hey, they got to do some soul searching because the Lions. Hey, hold on. They got. They play the Lions on Thanksgiving, don't they? I think that's the Thanksgiving Day game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I believe so. Yes. Three games that day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The packers, packers, they got at Giants, they got at Vikings at home at Lions on Thanksgiving. Hey, just so you know, they got the Bears twice. The Bears ain't no easy win.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, no, not. No, not no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, not. No. And you go to Denver.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, they gonna. They gonna beat. They gonna beat Denver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, you see that pass rush? Who you think got a better pass rush, us or the Eagles?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, you know, the Broncos pass rushes is number one right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, somebody forget the pass rush defense. Defense as a whole on all three levels.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got the Ravens game and the Vikings again, the Eagles remaining schedule, Lions at home at Cowboys. Bears at home at Chargers. Raiders at home at Commanders, at Bills.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, hey, they.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's two games where you kind of. You kind of can almost, you know, with the way the Eagles play and knowing Jalen hurts, how opportunistic he is, and that he doesn't turn the ball over, it's two games you could already knock off right there. The ratings and Commanders, you would probably say, you know what? They gonna win those two. Now everything else, boys up in the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Air, they got the Lions at home Sunday night. Then they go on the road and Cowboys, they get the Bears at home. That's a Thursday night game. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a Friday game. It's black Friday game. Then at Chargers, which is a Monday night game. Or the Raiders and the Commanders, the Bills. We don't know what Bills we're going to get. Will Josh Allen protect the football? Because when he doesn't protect the football, they're very average. Look at the games that they lost. They lost to Atlanta. Josh turned the ball over. They got blown out. What was 30? Nothing. They lost Sunday to the Dolphins. What happened? Turn the ball over.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, they get. Hey, they got. Not only turned the ball over, but the damn Dolphins jumped out on them. They jumped out on him and having to play from behind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And how did they jump out of your mistakes? Got a turnover.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Turnover.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to take care. You got to take care of the football. Look, I. I think the thing is we've done it. We've. We've kind of built these games up. Ocho, we saw early on, we see how the packers look. We saw the Eagles look, and we were expecting. Oh, same thing last night. We thought, oh, man, we're gonna get some points. No, no, no, no, we're not. So I. I'm just go like, you know what? I'm gonna have no moving forward, Chad. I'm gonna have no expectations of games going in. If they score, if the two of them, I'm happy. If they score 12 between the two of them, I'm happy with that too. So I'm done with the expectation to get my hopes up because this was some bull jive tonight.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, let me, let me tell you. And it was some bull drive. And, and one of the things you said, one of the reasons why you can't coach. But, but in, in, in the Bible, in the Bible it says order my steps and by, in which a way I should walk. And, and, and God, these, these people, Brian Day Ball, Brian Kelly, you know, these people keep getting fired and we keep talking about it. And, and you, you really not seeing God's vision. You're not really getting the message because he's not sending it clear enough to you, but it's clear enough to me. And he's trying to order your steps, but you refusing to walk in the path in which he's creating for you, which is a head, which is a head coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't for me. See, the Eagles remaining scheduled chat is. Come on, the Lions. They got the Lions Sunday night and then they're at the Cowboys. Then they get the Bears on Black Friday and then they got the Chargers on Monday night and then they have the Raiders and the commanders and then they're at the bills on the 28th. That's different. Oh, and then their commanders and then there are commanders which will be, we don't know where that's going to be. Probably nothing because at that point in time, the commanders will be eliminated from the playoffs. And so nobody's gonna, they're not gonna get flexed into Sunday night or anything else of that nature. So that's where the Eagles are. The Eagles have the Lions Sunday night at Cowboys, Bears at home at Chargers on Monday night, Raiders at home at Commanders at Bills, Commanders at home. So they got a, a formidable schedule, but they have the type of team. They've been here, they're battle tested. So they're not going to be, they're not going to get too high. You know, look, it's a big time win on a Monday night. It got a. And hey, I'm sure Siri, I'm telling me it doesn't get any easier. We got a tough one again next Sunday night. We played Monday. We got a short week. So. And the thing is that, you know, the thing with the NFL now, Ocho, they breaking down film so you, hey, you can get out, but you can get, you can get your iPad. You can get on iPad right now and start going over what, what the Lions like to do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, on, on the plane.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We didn't, we didn't, we weren't able to get stuff until Monday. You know, they'd have a couple of cutups already broke down for us and we could see certain things now, right? You get a head start. They don't got a head start. They're working ahead of schedule. But the Eagles moved to 7 and 2. The Eagles have if this playoffs were to start now, the Eagles would be the number one seed, Seahawks would be number two Lions, number three Tampa, number four Rams. Even though they have a tie for the first best record. Seahawks. Actually Seahawks have the tiebreak over them. So the Lions would be in the fifth seed, the Bears would be the sixth seed and the packers would be because of 5, 3 and 1. They would be the seventh and final seed. So that's where we are with that right there. Packers Remaining schedule at Giants Vikings at home at Lions on Thanksgiving Bears home, Broncos on the road Bears at Bears that's Packers Ravens at home at Vikings so formidable schedule right there.

[Colin Coward]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Turned off news altogether.

[Colin Coward]

I hate to say it, but I don't trust much of anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's the rage bait. It feels like it's trying to divide people.

[Colin Coward]

We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NBC News brings you clear reporting. Let's meet at the Facts.

[Colin Coward]

Let's move forward from there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NBC News reporting for America Ocho. We talked about this last night. We didn't see it coming so soon. But the Giants head coach Brian Dabo has been relieved of his duties after blowing another double digit lead Sunday in Chicago. Giants co owner John Mara and Steve Tish said today the past few seasons have been nothing short of disappointing and we have not met our expectation for this franchise. We understand the frustration of our fans and and we will work to deliver significant improved product. Assistant coach offensive coordinator Mike Kafka will serve as the Giants interim head coach. Day Ball 2041 as Giants head coach. His.336 winning percentage puts him behind Ben Ben McAdoo. No. He had a bunch of Cheesecake Factory that big menu he had and Ray Perkins fired two of them, fired two of the three head coach coordinators and flip flop play calling with others replaced five or nine position coach. Started seven different quarterbacks, had a running record with none of them. He's fired as the Giants because he didn't win. It's really, it's really that simple. No owners John Marin, Steve Tish, you fail. How's the general manager still there because he hired him. How is he still there? Daniel Jones is gone. Saquon Barkley is gone. He drafted Evan Neal. So yes. So you think you're gonna get an improved product when when the general manager, the guy that's making all the decision, he's still there. I'M not saying Brian Day Ball should or should not have been fried. That's. We, we can, we'll discuss that in a minute. But I'm trying to figure out how Sean has been able to keep his damn job.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, honestly, regardless of what coach comes in there, they're probably going to get fired. They've gone through multiple coaches. Yeah, they've gone through, they've been going through multiple coaches. And for, for Brian Day Ball to get fired is kind of somewhat understandable. He's. He's had leading games in multiple games this season. He had leading games early in the game and they lost on the back. They lost on the back ends about bad games that they should have continued to be able to have some type of success after having the leads they've had and they squandered every la. Everyone. You mean you didn't win? Not one of those.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think they've had four double digit leads going into the fourth quarter, right?

[Colin Coward]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean they had a 26, 8, 26, 9 lead over the Broncos. They had a 2010 lead over the Bears. They had to leave with the Cowboys for like 14 seconds. The guy comes on you a big, big field goal and they end up winning in an overtime. Yeah. Oh, here it is. But week two, they led 13 three, lost 40 to 37. At the Saints, they led 14, three, lost 26, 14. The Broncos, they led 26 to eight, lost 33, 32. With the Bears, they lo. They led 20 to 10, lost 24, 20.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, and, and one thing about it, we always say coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches, coaches. You, you can have 100 coaches, 100 different coaches coming there and all 100 going to get fired. Yeah, all 100 are going to get fired. And listen, some accountability has to be put on. Put on the players as well, you know, but, but obviously the coaching staff too. And the one person who is, see oversees all that is BR at this point. It. It was time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Brian don't coach the team. He ain't got no say. He probably didn't have any say over the final 53. He probably had no say in free agency. He probably had no say in the draft. Hell no. He happy to have a job.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on. So it sound like somebody, they run the show over there. Like, like, like the, like that team, they got that star on the. That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. That's why I laugh when Jerry told me he thought about hiring Sean Payton. Man, you actually think Sean Payton's gonna come in there and the only thing he's gonna be as A coach. He ain't gonna have no say on the final 53. He's not gonna have any say over the draft. He's not gonna have any say of free agency. He's just gonna stand there and coach, and then when things go wrong, they gonna blame him. Just like all the coaches he fired. How many coaches has he had since he fired Jimmy? Who took over after you with it? He had. Who's that? Dave Campo. He had Dave Campo. He had Chan Gailey, who was my old position coach. He had Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy. Now, he probably had more than that, right Until.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know. Hey, John, Mary. You know, I mean, you know when you had a lot to say about what the fans. What the fans were saying. Cause you was reading all their mail when they was calling in and talking about Cap and all that. You read the mail. Let's read some of the mail. What they're saying about you. See if they happen with you and what you've been able to do with this franchise.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause y' all ain't. Y' all. Look, y' all ain't been close since y' all got rid of. Since Eli retired. You bungled that. Had Eli had all those consecutive starts. Then you start Gino, and then you start Eli again after you don't break the man streak.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of course they did.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know. You know. You know what they're doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Baron Whistler came after Jimmy. So it was Barry Switzer. Then I think it was Parcels Campbell. Oh. Oh. They had 10 coaches. Okay, so Jimmy Johnson, Barry Swisser, Chan Gailey, Dave Campbell, Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips, Jason Garrett, Mike McCarthy. Brian Shot. Jimmy Johnson had a.555.50 winning percentage. Barrett, Switzerland, 625. Chan Gailey was 18 and 14. Dave Campbell was 15 and 33. 15 and 33. Bill Parcells was 34 and 30. Wade Phyllis was 34 and 22. Jason Garrett was 85 and 67. Mike McCarthy was 49 and 35. And Brian Schottenheimer right now is three 5 and 1 officers shot. No, but. No, but what we're saying is, is that ownership plays a large part in the success of a team.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I. I'm glad you just said that. Huh. Look at all the teams that consistently win. The Chiefs, look at the Chief.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at the Ravens.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Look at the Patriots. Yeah, the Ravens. Well, obviously, I'm going to throw the packers in there because they're a winning organization. Not actually going. Not actually, you know, getting Lombardi trophies, but always being boys, being in contention Always being a contention. And another thing, if one thing that can overcome bad ownership is a great quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but you got to pick him. And sometimes they'll mess that up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, yeah, yeah, that. That too. But. But having. Having a great. Having the elite quarterback and overcome some of the bad decision making that happens all the way upstairs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the problem that Coach DeBar ran into Ocho is that he realized early on, the only guy that can save my job is the quarterback that we drafted in the first round. But in the process of doing that, he put him in harm's way. Cause Ocho, if I'm drowning, I don't give a damn about drowning you. To save myself, I'm trying to keep my head above water. So if that means you got to go down, I gotta stand on your shoulders. So be right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what he did. He put this kid in harm's way because he's trying to save his job. Because at the end of the day, right, Yeah, I drafted him. Hell, I want to coach him. So and so in the process of putting him in harm's way, he subjected him to some hits. Jackson, Darton. I said this. And now I was early on, man. Let the chat. They always want to let somebody live. Now you got your guy in the blue tent damn near every game because you want to let him live. You like that five. I want my quarterback to have energy. Okay? Now look at your quarterback. Y' all still like that Giants fan because you had a lot to say. I said you can't run like that. You can't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't have your quarterback being susceptible to those kind of hits. That's why they protect him. His ass in the pocket. Once he leave the pocket, tee off on him. He's a running back now. Look at it. But y' all have a lot to say. We had that kind of energy in a long time, and you might not have it again.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, listen. Hey, Honestly, too. And as a fan of the game. But. But watching Jackson dart once he came in, but that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You do. Now that come. That comes on him, and that's going to come. He going to get that with experience and understanding. You got to pick and choose your battles. And when you pick me, but you got to pick them wise.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I hope they knock into it because they damn sure knock some marbles out of it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. You got. You got to make business decisions. You got to make business decisions. When you got that ball in your hands and you cross that threshold and you become A runner, Man, Aiden, boys is not playing with you out there, man. This is not college. Them, they didn't grow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Them grown men, they're trying to break you because that's the opportunity. Because they can't hit your ass in the pocket like they want to. But what they can do is tee off on your ass when you're out of the pocket.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They give you something called a protection where you can slide and they can't touch it. Now, you try to be a hero, and I get all that. You. You get up and get the fire, get the first down and you do all this and you get the crowd hyped and all that. Okay? Yeah. Okay. Billy Badass. I've seen it. I know what they're going to do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Quarterbacks are not used to taking hits like that. They're not built to take hits like that. So why would you subject yourself to taking that kind of punishment, Ocho, you cannot go take that kind of punishment. Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And it's the funny thing about it. And some of the play calling ain't helping. No, some of the play calling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did I just tell you I'm trying to wake up?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm trying to save my damn self. So if you drowned in the process, so be it, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, as long as you save my ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you. Why you think he calling those plays, Ocho? And, and, and, and I get it. I get it. But Jackson Dart needs to be smarter and they need to put an emphasis on it also. Hey, son, get down. You get the first down. Hey, I get it. It's. It's the cow. Crowd gets energized, but the crowd to get you effed up. Yeah, they get you. They get you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Everybody trying to do. Trying to do. Hey, trying to do what they want, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, and you're. You're exactly right. Let me ask you a question, though, Joe. Who you think will be a good fit? Who do you think will be a good fit for the Giants? Nah. Okay, I see how much money they take from your New York. You. 1.5 million. You bring home 747,000. Kick rocks.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They didn't let me. Can I. Can I coach from Vegas? I do have all my meetings from Zoom.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm trying. I'm trying to think of a collegiate coach that would resonate very well with. With grown men that are in the inner hell, brother. Lane Kiffin.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? Lane. You like John Gruden? Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, Lane Kiffin and John Gruden. That's. That's the only two I can think of off the top of my head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike McCarthy. I heard Mike McCarthy name thrown around. What about. What about.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, for the, for that city, though. That city. That city need a, A coach like Elaine, Kevin and John Gruden. That's a, A little bit fiery, you know, a little bit. Has, has a little personality to him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The offensive coordinator I think they would fit for. He was the head coach in, In Arizona. Cliff Kingsbury. What about Cliff Kingsbury? Now, he normally works really well with mobile athletic quarterbacks. We saw what he did with Kyle. We saw what he did, what he's done for Jalen, Jaden Daniels. But would he work with a Jackson dart, a guy that's mobile? He's not quite as athletic as Daniels and Kyler, but that might. That a. Well, I mean, the thing is, it might be a part. I mean, the question is, his thing is they threw it out because you know what? The commissioner wanted to hear it like, no, you're not going to do that. You're not going to be the arbitrary demand suing you. And you hear your own opinion. No, hell no. So the question is, with the NFL, how's that going to play out? Because this thing's going to court. So do they get a settlement and a part of the settlement he can come back and coach, or is it a situation where you, we're gonna give you money and you, you done, you can cover the league, but you're not gonna coach in the league.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ah, I like, I like. I like the. I like the John Gruden route. John Gruden and obviously Lane Kevin, who coached him in college. I think that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you just not hear what I said? He has a pending lawsuit against the NFL.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let me, Let me tell you, there are certain. There are certain rules that are bent regardless of stuff like that going on. Well, they can make it happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If the NFL says, we're going to offer you a settlement, but you cannot coach in the NFL.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, okay. Well, hell, you know who else had the pin has had a lawsuit against the NFL and it's still coaching.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Brian Flores.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he's coaching.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is he a head coach? Okay, now the question is he's had good defenses. You think he gonna get a job with that lawsuit? Who gonna hire him? Because you do realize if he sued a league, who is he suing? Suing one of those owners.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All one owners. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So it's gonna be a very interesting situation to see how this plays out. It's kind of like, Ocho, I got a lawsuit against you. But I want my job back. Nah, you go ahead and take this money. Go ahead on. You ain't getting no job back.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, but, but honestly, knowing, knowing how the NFL works, understanding the ecosystem that they do have, that, that, that brotherhood they have amongst each other, I could still see, you know, things working itself out in ways that we won't be able to explain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, if the lawsuit goes away, it'll be explained, but it's just hard for me to see a scenario. Oh, so this man got, he wants 60, he want a hundred million. They say you ruined my reputation by leaking this stuff. Right. And you caused me $60 million. 60, $70 million that were left on my contract.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, all that was, all that's off the table.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You found a 10 year, 100 million dollar deal.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

100 million dollar deal. Yeah, I remember that, but I thought he was still getting paid.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you don't give. They bought. They bought it. And the thing is, Mark Davis didn't want to. He said he didn't want to. Said the NFL forced him to force.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Him to do it. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who else? I hear people talk about Clint Kubiak, the offensive car the offensive coordinator could get. Yeah, he was the offensive coordinator in Minnesota last year with. Who was his quarterback in Minnesota?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Sandal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's the offensive coordinator in Seattle. Who's his quarterback?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, Sam Darnold. It's funny, it's funny how that worked too. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's going to get some strong consideration.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Clint, let me get, let me, let me get a job.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Do you really? Hey, you have to understand also Clinton has to look at the landscape of the New York Giants. Understand what you're working with. Understand, understand what you had when you was out there in Minnesota. It made things easy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you know, understand.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Understand the weapons you have around you now that you were over there in goddamn Seattle. Seattle, yeah. Now do you, do you want to come and, and start all over in New York? You do have Jackson Dart, who was very exciting. Scatterboard will be. Be back next year. Malik Neighbors. Well, he should be. He should be fine by the start of the season. On who? Malik.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he should be. He definitely should be. But here's the thing, though. Ocho, Ocho, that's still a gold standard franchise. And my first head coaching job is going to be with the New York Giants. Who turns that down? No, you just saw, you just saw. What's the, the guy that was at Philly last year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The O.C.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he was at, he was at Dallas O.C. for a long time. Kellen Moore, Kelly Moore. Oo. He took new Orleans. He took the New Orleans job. If give it a choice, you take New Orleans or you taking the Giants. Right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got you. But, but see it's, it's so, it's so, it's so few times that those opportunities present themselves. You have to take them when they do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You have to take them when they come. But that's, that's bad. That's a bad one. It's too, hey, that's a bad one to go into.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where was Klein Kubiak? Because Cool got three or four boys. I know Clinton Klein, both of them coach. But Klein, he was play calling somewhere. He's at the Cowboys. Where was he last year? So he's still there. Okay. Okay. You got any other, any other sons coaching? I don't, I don't. I just know, I just know those two because they were little kids when I was, when Cool was with me in Denver. Because well yeah, they were probably like 5 or 6 when I got to Denver. Maybe they were, they were small, really, really, really young. But hey look, they're gonna be some names. That's gonna be.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Play. Oh, he, has he been at the Niners. Okay. Okay. You see how, you see how you see how that thing you see, you see how the ecosystem feed itself?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh hey listen, I'm listening to you. I'm listening, I'm listening to ass run off all the names in the different places that they're at. Hey, it's amazing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All those guys. Hey, Cool A Mike gave Coob his start when Cool got the job at the Houston Texas, right. Kyle was his OC now then everything he had when they was in Washington. Kyle was the OC. Sean McVeigh was there. Mike McDaniel was there. Raheem Moore was Raheem Morris was there. Go back and look at that. All those guys that was there and all they do is hey. Yeah, they do well. Hey, it's easy on them because the wife take care of because they, they made not one parent teacher conference. They ain't been in no recital tap in the jack. But it's tough man, because the A coach is like hey, you leave home and one the next day they graduating high school. You done. You don't miss damn near everything.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, it go, it goes by fast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so but I, I, I think they're going to be, they're going to be a lot of available candidates. It's going to be interesting to see like how these lawsuits play out with Brian Flores. How they play out with John Gruden. You know, like, I. I think they're going to be. You know, Clint Kubiak is going to get. He's going to get. He'll get some looks. The way that office. The way the office looked in. In last year. Yeah, the way it's looking now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, but. But will you be able to make that offense over there in New York look like that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rams defense coordinator, they ball it out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, I'm. I'm. It just. It just makes sense. Pairing the quarterback where he had. Because where he had success in college, it just. It just makes. It. It makes too much sense to me. And bringing in brother. Brother Kiffin from. From Ole Miss.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I wasn't okay with that. Y' all hear what y' all want to hear? No. Oh, but you was okay with the Broncos scoring 10 points? No, I wasn't. I was living that. They only scored 10 points against that team. I get it. I'm a Bronco. You didn't tuned in. You didn't tune in that night, but you tune in now and so you hear me talk about the offense. Scoring. Offense only scoring 10 points or 7 points. I get it. I get it. I get it. You're right. I didn't. I did, though. Everybody that was here saw heard me say, this is Bo Nicks. That ain't good enough. That's not good enough. You never accept anything in a win. You wouldn't in a loss. Y' all heard me say that over and over, and you tell me, oh, we tired of hearing that. But y' all hear what y' all want to see. Yeah, I know. When is a win anybody that's really never played sports and only looks at we. I get it. That's why a lot of times, Ocho, like, I used to be, like, going back and forth. I was like, hold on. What the F am I doing? I'm going back and forth with somebody that never played football, let alone played on the level that I played or played at the level at which I played. Why am I talking to y' all about football if sometimes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Sometimes they don't understand?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, I'm going. I'm trying to explain when we got this concept, they're doing this, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, wait a damn minute. They don't know the difference between a screenplay and a screen porch. And here I am. I'm on goddamn. No social media debate.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Them going. Going back and forth. Hey, sometimes. Sometimes the way you see the game, they don't see it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know they Don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

A little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's why, See, that's why they have to have sound. They need somebody to tell them what's going on. I don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know formation, I know personnel, I know coverages. I know all of that. I'm not interested that they scored. Congratulations. I need to know why they scored, how they scored, what coverage was the defense in? That's what I'm looking at. Okay. Were you in 21 personnel? Were you in 12? Were you in 11? Were you. Were you an empty set? Was it a 50 protection? Was it a jet protection? Was it a 70 protection? Was it a scat protection? Were you in jumbo? And then I tried. What is that? Well, we didn't play the game. Okay? They wish, but they quick. We didn't play the game. You should know, Captain, obviously. Well, it was Captain obvious. Why don't you say it?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, that's. That's funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's why, you know. Hey. And when I. When I tweet some Ocho, it's not that I don't either side. I'm just saying what I noticed. I tweeted in real time. I was like, how can I see that in real time? Officials at the game, they can't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That guy moved oo. That guy. Was that the guard? Before the center had even snapped the ball, he would damn near collide with the Packer defender. Right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, that tush push, I. I don't know. I don't know what the ref's looking at, but it was something that they said they were going to be paying attention to. They were making the call earlier. Early in the season, it seemed they. They've stopped calling it and it's plain as day. Especially if you got. If you got two good ass. If you got two guys, you can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See how they move him before the ball snapped. That's all you gotta look at. Ocho, hold on. His head is in front of the ball. How is that possible?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Mm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm like. But hey. He must have been looking at his menu like, okay, why say she wanted General Joe's chicken, some moomoo gal pan fried rice, some egg foo young, some mumu. I had the General Joe's chicken. I don't like the boo boo gal panty.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What the hell is that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

At the Chinese restaurant.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. Mike Tomlin was asked to assess his quarterback Aaron Rodgers performance last night. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. How would you next see Ocho? When I come in here? And I say Aaron Rodgers didn't play well, so forth and so on. As you get older, you just not allow. You can't summons it up like you once could. Gaming, gaming, gaming. You can have those flash games, but they come far and few and far between. Oh, you just mad. You don't like that man. You just. He. Ever since he didn't take the vaccine, you got a problem with them. It's like I'm just telling you, based on Aaron Rodgers having watched this man for 15, since 2004, I retired. Aaron became the starting quarterback, I think, in like 08. So for the better part of 17, 18 years, I watched this man. Y' all make it. Y' all make it seem like I'm just dumb. Like I just be talking out my tail, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I. I like. I like. I like Tomlin's answer too. Yeah. Like it. Hey, hey, listen. Yeah. There's no need for me to go in depth, you know, you watched him. You watched his performance. It was lackluster. We can't win with you playing like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Aaron said it. Aaron said I got to play better. So if I say Aaron needs to play better, he's not playing like he's playing like a. An old Aaron Rodgers. Not the old Aaron Rodgers. Oh, you hate it. He come out and say exactly what I said last night. Now let me. Let me mispronounce somebody's name. Let me. Let me be wrong on something. Boy, they killed. They killed my food. They flood my timeline. But when Aaron Rodgers say exactly what I said, you can hear. You can hear a mouth peeing on cotton. A bail of it. That's how quiet it'd be. Ocho. Mm. Aaron's not. If you watch the game, if you watched Aaron Rodgers and you watched last night game, I was like, Aaron Rodgers missed some throws. He missed DK early in the game. That could have been a big play. Cause, you know, on the road, get a big play on the far cross. Ocho. That's a big play. A big. A 40 yard, 40, 50 yard touchdown touchdown on the road. Now you got the. The crowd sitting on the hands. Ain't nothing to cheer about. He underthew. Austin. I don't know. The way Austin was catching the ball last night, he probably threw it back at him. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm a little nervous. I'm a little hesitant to say if they sure fight, it was a sure fire catch. I'm just saying he might have held on to it. But if you watch the game, I mean, look, maybe you don't know if it's a three or five step drop, you don't know if it's a zone read, maybe you don't know all that stuff. But you know, if a quarterback's playing well and you watched the game last night, even if you're a Steelers fan, even if you're the biggest Aaron Rodgers supporter, you know he didn't play well last night. And it's okay to say that, but it's almost like, don't say anything bad about my quarterback. Speak honestly about everybody else quarterback. Just don't say nothing bad about my quarterback. I'm not saying anything about him. He just didn't play well. I didn't say he a bad person. I'm just saying he, he was a bad quarterback last night. That's what I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. And the good thing about it too, with him not playing well, it, it looks good on him. Obviously you can tell he's actually at the Steelers and him taking accountability on not playing well. You know, it. There were no pointing the fingers. No, there were no point in the fingers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Which were, which were some issues that he did when he was with the jets when certain plays weren't made and when those plays weren't made and he spoke about it after the game, he actually pointed the fingers, you know, so I'm, I'm glad he did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The problem, what he has, Ocho, is that he doesn't have enough players on the offensive side of football to lift him up when he's not playing well. See, that's the problem that you run into because sometimes, you know, you get guys that can take a simple route. You're not playing well. They can take a simple route, they can make a touch. An acrobatic catch. Give you a prime example, devonte Smith tonight. You see that catch that he made?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Say save you every time. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sometimes guys make plays. You're having a bad game, but a guy can make a play here or there and all of a sudden you get to win and you didn't play well. But you get guys to elevate you and help the ship rise.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get that last night. I don't think he has enough of that outside of dk. The nobody puts fear in my. I think Frymouth is a, is a, is a quality tight end now. I'm not taking over McBride or, or, or, or Laporta or anything like that. I'm not taking over any of those top guys. But I think he's a, he's a solid, he's a solid tight end, but DK is really the only guy. And if you double him, does it, Does Austin or any of those other guys put fear in, you know, they don't. They don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, listen, Calvin. Calvin Austin iii. Unc, as fast as he is, as, as explosive as he is, he should be one that puts fear in defenses. He should be one that they just. I, I don't know if they, they use him the correct way to, to do that, but if I'm not mistaken, he was 4:2. If I'm not mistaken, maybe 4:1, something like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Austin III. Yeah, he's been playing like Austin the First, because I can't tell. He 4:1. 4:2, man. Go ahead. I, I can't tell you that fast. But see here, there's a difference between being fast and playing fast, because we've seen guys run 4, 2, and they play like they run 4, 6. And I've seen guys run 46 that play like they're 4, 3, 4 2, running fast and playing fast. Jerry played fast. Yeah, Jay ran 4, 6, 7, but he played fast. It's one thing to run four two football shorts and a T shirt. It's another thing to run 4, 6, 45 with shoulder pads and cleats, right? Cause that's what you playing. So I, I, yeah, I get it. It's nice. But, oh, boy. Hey, he ran 4:2. I put him in a helmet, put him in some shoulder pads and cleats, and now all of a sudden, no, Joe, he played like he run 4, 7. Damn, son, I know you faster than that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. You know what? There's, there's a thing called, you know, players that carry their pads real well. Anything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Can you carry your pads? Can you still be as efficient when you're in shorts and shirt when you had a helmet and pants on? Man, that, that, that is a thing. Which is. Which is crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But guess what, Ocho, when you run that 40, ain't nobody trying to tear your damn head off.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, when you 4 2, 4, 4 2, 4, 3, all you do is get to the safety quicker so you can knock your ass out. That's it. That.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's it. And, and one of the funny things I ever heard. I forgot. I forgot. Who said I'm got to make sure I say it right is I'm just fast enough to make sure the person chasing me can't catch me. I don't care nothing about no, I Don't care nothing about no 40 times. All I need to do is be faster than the person that chasing me. That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's as fast as you need to be. It doesn't do me any good to have all that speed and I don't know how to use it. You can have an arsenal gun. Don't know how to shoot one. Can't hit a. Can't hit nothing. So what good is 4, 2 speed if you can't use it? You can't control it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I run you sharp. You probably can. But I bet you'll chase me in the end zone. I bet you that. Hey, but everything, you know, everything is big. But I. I love the way because a lot of times this has rubbed me. This is what's rubbed me wrong about Aaron Rodgers is not taking accountability when he played poor or showing up the receivers and talking about, do this and do all that. Don't do that. That's what rubbed me the wrong way about him was a lack of accountability. I got no problem with what he said. He owned it. He didn't play well. He realized in order for them to get to where they need to be or where they want to be, he's going to have to play better because he's the only guy that touches the ball every single snap. And in order for them to get to where they need to be, Ocho, he's got to play better. Yeah, but as you said last night, they got a bunch of names, but them names ain't playing well. We'll leave it at that. Oh, show a photo of going viral Aaron Rodgers taking a sack last night, captured by Marcio Sanchez of the ap.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And we get. We got hitting that jaw, too. But is it. It's a good thing he got that good. It's a good thing he got that new helmet on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You better get a motorcycle helmet.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, that. That's. That's a good hit, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, boy, look here at 41 Ultra, I wasn't trying to take no shots like that in my 20. You think I want to take a shot like that in my 40s like that in the.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

For. Yeah, that's a good picture right there. That's a good picture.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He must was. He was that. Was that in the pocket because I'm surprised they didn't call that because, you know, you can't hit your head. You can't hit a quarterback with your helmet. So he had to be scrambling.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Not. Yeah, not. Not the crown of your head. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That hurt. Nah, he was probably thinking I wish I wasn't there. Rogers. Hey. Hey. Them ear hole shots hurt, man. Them the one that knock your ass out when you get hit, you get caught or you get kneed.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh yeah, in the right place. Right here, right here around the decal. That, that knee by accident. And it, it don't even look like it's hard either. Hold on, let me, let me get this out the door.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. That joke. Aaron's like, this ain't what I signed up for, man. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm. Is Aaron 40? 40, 41? You about to be 40. Is he about to be 42? Is he already for. Is he 41? 42. Damn. Yeah, Aaron said. Damn this. Aaron said I don't made me $300 million. I ain't got no sense. I ain't. Hey, I ain't. He doesn't say I don't make three. Three. 350 man. Later for this. I. I ain't trying to do all. I ain't trying to do all this. The, the accumulation. Those. Chad, you know those, those, those hits add up. Aaron Rodgers probably what, 215? You ain't trying to take no hits like that. Hell, running backs, I mean, Derrick Henry ain't really trying to take no ear hole shots. No jaw shot like that. Man. Those, those, those is. Adds up, man. I know that hurt. See, that hurt. My. Got my jaw hurting. I'm thinking about it. Oh, he, he brace it for that. I mean, at the last second you feel that hit coming, you try to brace for it. But hey, ain't ain't nothing you could do with. Look. Oh, that's the close up. Oh, you got to. Yeah, I don't blame. I don't want to. I don't want to see that either.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man.

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