Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Jim Jones GO AT IT! + Ricky Williams joins

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary: Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc & Jim Jones GO AT IT! + Ricky Williams Joins

Release Date: June 22, 2025

In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe hosts a dynamic conversation featuring former NFL star Ricky Williams and renowned rapper Jim Jones. The episode delves into critical discussions surrounding marijuana legislation, the evolving role of running backs in the NFL, and offers a spirited exchange on the music industry.

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1. Introduction and Guest Introductions [02:27 – 04:58]

Shannon Sharpe warmly welcomes listeners to the Nightcap segment of the Club Shay Shay podcast. He introduces the guests:

• Chad Johnson (Ocho): A Pro Bowl and All-Pro Liberty City Legend.
• Ricky Williams: University of Texas alum, Heisman Trophy-winning candidate, and cannabis advocate.

Sharpe sets the stage for an evening filled with accolades, personal stories, and insightful discussions.

2. Marijuana Legislation and NFL Policies [06:33 – 09:35]

The conversation shifts to the contentious issue of marijuana legislation, particularly focusing on Texas's attempts to ban THC products.

• Shannon Sharpe [06:42]: "They are trying to ban [THC] 100%... It does need to be regulated more, but not banned."

• Ricky Williams [07:04]: "It's both, but it's a little extreme. They're trying to ban it 100%... It does need to be regulated more, but not banned."

Ricky Williams shares his insights on how the ban disproportionately affects individuals of color, many of whom have been incarcerated for nonviolent cannabis-related offenses. He emphasizes the need for fair regulation and the challenges faced by those given licenses to enter the cannabis business.

Key Quote:

• Ricky Williams [09:35]: "If your company did something next level using T Mobile for business, you're eligible."

3. Ricky Williams' Career and Personal Experiences [10:43 – 18:24]

Sharpe and Johnson explore Ricky's journey, touching upon his stardom, stress management, and personal growth.

• Ricky Williams [11:57]: "I think the expectations... I was so disappointed that I slid to the number five spot."

• Shannon Sharpe [12:19]: "Do you realize that when they open it up for medical purposes... only a select group of people get those licenses?"

Ricky reflects on how marijuana use helped him cope with the pressures of professional football, suggesting that had he been allowed to openly partake, his career might have been even more stellar.

Key Quote:

• Ricky Williams [18:24]: "Nothing. To me, there was no better feeling in the whole wide world... being on the field."

4. The Running Back Position in the NFL [34:14 – 36:19]

The discussion transitions to the valuation and evolution of the running back position in the modern NFL.

• Ricky Williams [34:34]: "It's back from the past couple of years. It is, right?"

• Chad Johnson [35:22]: "But young, you got to be one of the best, though."

The guests analyze how running backs like Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry are revitalizing the position, ensuring its continued importance despite the league's emphasis on passing.

Key Quote:

• Chad Johnson [35:23]: "But young, you got to be one of the best, though."

5. Transitioning from Sports Competition [26:00 – 33:00]

Sharpe and his guests discuss the psychological challenges athletes face when retiring and finding new avenues to channel their competitive spirits.

• Shannon Sharpe [30:00]: "It's hard to turn that joint. That's the thing that athletes have the hardest time doing."

• Ricky Williams [30:23]: "If you got somewhere to put it, it's a blessing. When you don't, it becomes a curse."

The conversation highlights the struggle of moving away from a lifetime of competition and finding new passions to sustain one's drive.

6. Interaction with Jim Jones and Music Industry Insights [56:06 – 97:09]

Later in the episode, Jim Jones joins the conversation, bringing a vibrant discussion on the music industry, particularly hip hop's evolution.

• Jim Jones [56:40]: "The industry has changed tremendously from when I started... I've learned a lot from them from how they carry their music."

• Shannon Sharpe [58:06]: "Beyoncé says, 'I'm gonna go over here and I'm gonna do this.' It takes guts. It takes heart."

The dialogue shifts to the competitive nature of rap, with Jim Jones expressing a desire to engage in a lyrical showdown with fellow guest Malcolm Gladwell. This segment becomes a lively and entertaining exchange, reflecting the playful yet competitive spirit of the show.

Key Quotes:

• Jim Jones [58:06]: "Reinvent yourself... find your rhythm in the mixture."

• Malcolm Gladwell [83:57]: "I'm a bigger Nas fan than you are. You are capping."

7. Conclusion and Awards Recognition [55:05 – 97:19]

As the episode winds down, Shannon Sharpe acknowledges the show's accolades, celebrating their recognition as the "Nightcap Show 2025 Podcast of the Year."

• Shannon Sharpe [55:32]: "Nightcap was so good, they sent me two of these things."

• Chad Johnson [55:40]: "We got in the money."

The hosts express gratitude towards their audience and tease future episodes, ensuring listeners remain engaged and excited for what's to come.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Shannon Sharpe [07:31]: "But you do realize that like when they open it up for medical purposes... only a select group of people get those licenses."

• Ricky Williams [18:24]: "Nothing. To me, there was no better feeling in the whole wide world... being on the field."

• Chad Johnson [35:22]: "But young, you got to be one of the best, though."

• Jim Jones [56:40]: "The industry has changed tremendously from when I started... I've learned a lot from them from how they carry their music."

• Malcolm Gladwell [83:57]: "I'm a bigger Nas fan than you are. You are capping."

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This episode of Club Shay Shay masterfully blends insightful discussions on pressing social issues with the vibrant energy of hip hop, all while maintaining Shannon Sharpe's signature charm and humor. Whether you're an NFL enthusiast, a music aficionado, or simply looking for compelling conversations, this episode offers a bit of everything, making it a must-listen for newcomers and long-time fans alike.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello Ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us on this Saturday evening. Welcome to another episode of Nightcap. I am your favorite unc Shannon Sharp, fresh back from Patty and Khan. Can you see it with the hat? Pepe Cincinnati Bingo Ring of Fame honoree. The Pro bowl of the All Pro Liberty City Legend. That's Chad Ocho Pepe. And also joining us, University of Texas alum Heisman Trophy winning. It's dark. Okay, Heisman Trophy winning candidate, and he's a cannabis connoisseur, Mr. Ricky Williams. Ricky, how you doing, bro? Thanks for joining us, man. Appreciate that. We'll get to you in just a second. Guys, please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that, like, button. And guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. We want to thank each and every one of you for joining us, whether at the very, very beginning, in the middle or now. We cannot thank you enough because everything we do is because of you. We got some awards tonight. Oh, Joe. As a matter of fact, Nightcap was so good, they sent me two of these things.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, listen, do me a favor. I'm supposed to. I'm supposed to only be speaking French tonight, right? But I'm not going to speak French right now because I'm trying to understand how do you continue to get the awards and not sending one to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

I mean, listen, listen. France Cans was. Was beautiful. Obviously been able to. To connect with a lot of brands. Seeing how things are run, being able to sit down and meet with important people. I'll just say it like that. It was a tremendous, tremendous trip, man. Meetings and meetings went very well. I had to speak on a few panels that went well. And the relationships the bridges I was able to build over there was awesome. So I'm kind of upset that I missed the first two years based on what I was able to experience, you know, going out the end time. So I look forward to next year already. I only been home for one day, but it was dope. It was a really, really dope experience.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it gets bigger and better every year, Ocho. You know, I went last year. We were supposed to go and we had some technical difficulties. But it is a wonderful event. And like you said, you get an opportunity to sit down and be in those rooms and be in those meetings where things actually happen. You get an opportunity to talk to people that's going to actually pull the trigger and make things happen, happen. So that's always. And. And look, they. You get an opportunity to meet the people. They get an opportunity to talk to you. I mean, you. You across from them, you're talking now they put a name to a face. Now they put a personality to the name. Now they get an opportunity to see who and what oo Cinco is. So I'm glad you got an opportunity to experience that. As I mentioned earlier, we recently spoke. Ricky, we got something. You know, you from Te. Well, you from San Diego? Are you?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where do you live now? You in. Are you back in San Diego? You in Texas? You in Miami?

[Ricky Williams]

I was in Northern California.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You live in Northern California now?

[Ricky Williams]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. Well, we got something that you might can help us out on. You recently spoke at legislation. Texas. They're trying to ban marijuana products. I guess his products will have the THC in it, correct? It's.

[Ricky Williams]

I mean, yes. It's not. It's not supposed to, but. But. And that's why it's the issue. Is that. Okay, pretty much you can go to a gas station in Texas and get thc.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, damn. And they try. So. So they don't. Like, in California, you have these, like, these specialty shops. You have cannabis shops that you go into and you can buy, you know, obviously you can buy. I don't know, Graham, or whatever the case may be. I mean, you could probably speak to that a little better than I can, but so what they. Are they trying to, like, take it completely out or they're trying to get, like, restricted, where you have to go to a specific place and not just your arbitrary gas station. It's.

[Ricky Williams]

It's both, but it's a little extreme. They're trying to ban it 100%. And they're gonna. They say they're gonna open up the medical program. And I think it's a good idea to open up the medical program, but I think it's a little, it's a little too much to say to ban it 100%. It does need to be regulated more, but not banned.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you do realize that like when they open it up for medical purposes, or so they say, medicinal purposes, you know, only a select group of people get those license. Right. You know that, you know, it's, you know what we have been incarcerated for for 2, 5, 10, 15 years now. We got, you know, we sell it a little nickel bag or your little grab, little whatever the case may be. Now they get a license and they get to capitalize on it and make millions and millions and millions of dollars. And then we get cut out like, and we don't spend time in jail for that.

[Ricky Williams]

Yeah, it's real. It's real.

[Chad Johnson]

And then the funny, the funny thing about it is they don't allow things to pass or they don't allow, they don't legalize things until they're able to monetize on it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y. Once they find they can tax you on it.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, that, that's, that's exactly how it is. And obviously you understand the other aspect, the other dynamic of, of certain people obviously of color who have used that as a way of survival, as a means to, to provide. They, they've been locked up, you know, for years. And we understand how that goes. It's always, it's always a double sided sword in a sense. But hopefully those that are able to use it for medicinal purposes and everyone is given an opportunity to get those licenses when the time comes.

[Ricky Williams]

Yeah, I mean, speaking of what you're talking about, there are a lot of people in prison still that shouldn't be in prison.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Ricky Williams]

But also most states because when, when the movement first started, most of the people were liberal. So when the movement first started, they made sure in a lot of legislations that people who have been incarcerated or felonies have easy license.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They couldn't get the license.

[Ricky Williams]

They can. If you've been incarcerated for cannabis, nonviolent cannabis related offense in a lot of states, you have easier access. You can get access to a license.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, that's nice, that's cool.

[Ricky Williams]

It is, but the issue is most of those people can't afford or don't have the expertise to be able to do anything with those licenses.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right.

[Ricky Williams]

So yeah, so they don't really work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was, I was talking to someone and they say, look, when we get, when we get A license. Us people that look like me, you and Ricky, don't be selling your homeboy a pound. Do what you do to guy like, do the guy. Ocho, I'm talking to somebody that's kind of in that business. And to keep the business above the board, when your homeboy come, don't sell him a pound. Sell him what you're supposed to sell. Keep it above the board so you get to keep your license. I know your homeboy. Come on, bro, ain't nobody gonna know. Yes, they gonna know. Cause as soon as you get jammed up, do what you gonna say, Ocho, to keep yourself from getting 10 to 15, you gonna dime your partner out, he gonna lose his license. They gonna shut him down every time. If we were, if we're fortunate enough to be in those positions, let's just do right. Hey, keep it, keep that money flow going. Because like you said, that's a cash. That's a cash business.

[Chad Johnson]

Big one. A big one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's just like alcohol prohibition. They ran bootleg moonshine and all that stuff. And they say, hold on, we keep. Let's just, hey, let them make it and let's tax their ass on it. The same thing with cigarettes. Let's tax them. We could get some. Oh, this is a billion and. Billion and billion dollar business. Instead of hiring all these people to try to bust the steals and cut the trees down, we can monetize it. And once anybody finds. Look, once someone find they can make some money off it, they're going to make money off it. It's really that simple. But I'm glad you. Look, Rick, let me ask you this. Had the laws and the way people look at. Because when I was younger and growing up and in the league, marijuana was a stigma. People frowned upon it. And it's not nearly that. I mean, now California, they walking around, they be smoking outside, it ain't nothing. How different do you think your career would have been had you been allowed to, you know. You know, partake?

[Ricky Williams]

You know, I think it would have been a lot different because just, you know, off the field, just all the trouble I was in all the time and the hits of my reputation at the time, it was so stressful that it. I'm sure if I. If things were going better and I was allowed to be myself, that I would have been able to perform at even a higher level. No pun intended.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Ricky Williams]

No, but seriously, right, Because I think we only have so much energy and when things are stressing us out, that's energy that's being wasted that could be going to something different, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean you, you look set. California has always been very, very liberal, very open minded. I mean you go to the bay and the hippies and the yuppies and they had Woodstock and all that other stuff going on. Do you think your upbringing, do you think where you was, where you was raised at played a role in you being so, you know, open and, and, and partaking in, in, in, in marijuana and did you smoke in high school? Did you smoke in college? When did this, your, your love infatuation or whatever the case you might want to call it? When did, when did your love or when did you first partake in, in marijuana?

[Ricky Williams]

The first time I was, it was in high school, but I, I wasn't, I wasn't a smoker. I didn't really become a smoker until I got into the league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Ricky Williams]

Because it was stigmatized and you know, I was an athlete and, and when growing up the one thing that my grandma, everybody said, right, don't throw it away for drugs. So you know, I tried, I listened, I tried to listen. So, so. But it wasn't until, it wasn't until later. And I definitely think when I was 13, my, my mom, my stepdad was, was a roster and so he would smoke every night. It just was part of his routine. And my, my auntie, she had a, she had a treaty in her, in her kitchen. So it was around me. So I was, I was desensitized to it. Like, you know, I think if people are around it and they just hear the stigma, that's all they have to go on. So I was around it and the people that I did, my stepdad and my auntie, people are buying like the most in the whole world and, and they smoked. So. But I get, I wasn't partaking when I was young, but I, I was open to it. I wasn't against it, I wasn't anti.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, yeah, go ahead. You know, I'm really curious. You said you hadn't smoked when you, I mean obviously most of the time when it comes to people having certain habits, it comes from their surroundings and upbrings. But the fact that you, you know, had the discipline not to be interested in it while you were, while you were young, but once you got to the NFL, did you use it in the NFL because of injuries, because of stress? I mean, is there, is there specific.

[Ricky Williams]

Reason it was stress? I think the reason I had to use it up until that point because life was like, was good. I wasn't really stressed. About anything. You know, I, I didn't, I didn't need it. And I got to the point where things got really stressful and I realized that this, this helped me because, you know, everybody knows I'm a shy person, I'm an introverted person. And something about smoking, I just get to be with myself, you know?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Ricky Williams]

And I feel like I get energy, I get energy from that and it helps me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was it a situation, Rick? I think the thing is you said the expectations and we gonna get in this where Mike Dicker gave up his entire draft class to select you. You know, that had never been done in the history of sports. I mean, basically that was asop giving his kingdom away for a horse. And the expectations that came along, now you're supposed to be the greatest NFL running back because you look at all the running backs. Jim Brown and Barry Sanders and Emmett Smith and Eric Dickinson, all those guys, they got slotted. The man gave up his whole entire draft class to select you. So now that comes along. I mean, you are Heisman trophy winning running back. You have had the most rushing yards in colle. So now I'm a Heisman trophy winner. I got the most rushing yards. A guy just gave up an entire draft class. For me, that's a lot of expectations on a running back. Did that play any role?

[Ricky Williams]

Honestly, if I'm being real, you can call me ungrateful, but I don't think I even got to the point of realizing the expectations because I was so disappointed that I slid to the number five spot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. Wow.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Ricky Williams]

So I was like, I was in shock. I mean, after that, like, I don't even remember what happened. I don't even remember. I don't remember how. Because just what you said, you know, to me, I thought I had, I had made the case and not even to be the best in the future, but that I was the best. At least I had the potential to be the best because of the track, my track record. So I thought I should have been the first pick and I wasn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then.

[Ricky Williams]

And the Edgerton was pick number four, hall of Fame career. But I wasn't even the first running back pick, so. So, I mean, again, I remember sitting there and I was spinning and I remember saying them, saying something about pics or something, something, you know, Mike Dick got us on with the cigar. And then, and then I was on an airplane headed to New Orleans.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you get hot? Did you get high that night?

[Ricky Williams]

I wasn't smoking then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You weren't smoking then. So you did you. So you didn't start smoking until you got to, what, Miami?

[Ricky Williams]

I started smoking in New Orleans. So I was. My second year, My second year in New Orleans.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And did you have. Was it injury related? I mean, you talk about you. You're an introverted person. I mean, when I think I remember you was talking and you always had your face mask, you had your helmet on and you had the dark shield. And, you know, everybody was like, damn, what's. What's going on, Ricky? Seems like, you know, this is what they were saying. They said, man, this dude, weird man who gives an interview with the helmet on. We can't see his eyes. We don't know what he's thinking. You know, people like for you to make eye contact. You were like. And I was like, wow, okay, this is different. But hey, to each his own. The man did win a Heisman. He was, you know, won all these awards, the dope walker. So, hey, it's hard to argue the man has had success doing it that way.

[Ricky Williams]

It's not the same though. I mean, my time in college and my time in the NFL were completely different. And basically it was just the people's orientation towards me. Okay, no, because as a sensitive person, that's what it means. It means I need to be around people that feel me. Because if I were on people that don't feel me, then it's hard for me to feel myself. And so I was around people that didn't feel me and I could feel myself was. I go home with my homies, right? Smoke a little bit and get on the game just to relax, just. Just to give it, just to again recharge so I can get up and go do it again. Being on the field, I love being on the field. Nothing.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Better.

[Ricky Williams]

Nothing. To me, there was no better feeling in the whole wide world. And I'm talking about practice. There was no better feeling in the whole wide world for me than to be on that football field.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nothing.

[Ricky Williams]

And that's all I wanted to do. But all the other stuff, it just made it almost to the point where it wasn't worth it. And so I realized if I wasn't like smoking, connecting, I wouldn't gave up the game.

[Chad Johnson]

You know what's funny? And Rick, when I think about it, as great as you were in college, as great as you were in the NFL, just imagine if they were a little bit more lenient with the rules and allowing you to smoke, let's say for medicinal purposes. You know, if it's something that you having an issue. And it makes you feel a little bit more comfortable and being able to operate and do your job on a day to day basis.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

Who knows what you could have done because you were smoking weed and doing damage and running like crazy. So I could just imagine being. Do you ever sit back and think about and have regrets in the way things turned out or when. And if you could, if you could rewind the time and do it all over again, would you make a different choice as far as smoking is concerned?

[Ricky Williams]

I think about this a lot. And the thing I think about more is the people, the players, the guys now in the league who. Yeah, because things have changed, who can.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Okay.

[Ricky Williams]

It's not so much pressure. And I feel like I have something to do with opening that door. And to me, that, that makes. That makes all of it worth it. And as far as regrets, I can say this now because I've lived and I had and I'm living now is I wish that I would have taken more of a advocacy role at the time is, you know, because what, what you're saying is true. I mean, that's real. I wasn't hurting anybody. I was just taking care of myself so I could go deliver the product that they were expecting me to deliver. And I, and I did. I mean, when I got to Miami and I got into my groove, you know, I left the league in Russian all pro. And so I think to me, the league, we go out there and put our bodies in our minds and our hearts on the line and they should give us all reasonable means to be able to take care of ourselves, to be able to do that. And I, and I wish I would have been courageous enough at the time to say that publicly because whether people believe it or not, once you say something publicly and people are hearing it, it starts the conversation. And I think, and that's what I've seen. The biggest effect I've had is people can talk about this now when I'm in the right. They're almost expecting to talk about it when I'm in the room. So it makes it easier.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I think the thing is, Ricky, is that like it was a stigma and the more people started to talk about it and you started to have more prominent people, you started to have people like yourself and you have some of the Hollywood elites start talking about and the medicinal purposes that it have and it said, and you know, I heard people that talk about, oh, you got no problem giving these guys shots. You got the problem giving these guy painkillers, getting them addicted to Something. And then when they lead the league, they still need that and they can't get that and they're crashing out. Why can't you allow them to smoke marijuana? Calm them down, take the pain away. Because at the end of the day, they're trying. This is a gladiator sport. This is not a contact sport. This is a collision sport. There are no winners. There are only survivors in this game. And so if you're going to, hey, take this, Vicodin, take this, Percocet, take this, take this, Toradol, take this and that and all these anti inflammatories, which is more dangerous to the body, which is more harmful to the body, which is causing more harm and breaking the body down even more than this. Why not have a conversation? And I think the NFL, they did open their mind. They started doing a little bit of their own research because obviously they don't want to make sure they don't want to get sued down the line. They start. Started doing some research and I think they came to the conclusion that you and many, many in your. In your area, Rick, had already known.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ricky Williams]

It takes time. So I felt like I was a pioneer and I'm being rewarded for it now. So it feels like it's working.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But see, Ricky, I don't know, man. You might have been smoking that scun. You might have been on that Khalifa Kush. You had been. You own that bubble. So you. If you had that old home grown that had never showed up in your system, you could have.

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Oh, let's see.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hand sanitizer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's lavender.

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[Malcolm Gladwell]

Let me check this pocket.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, mints.

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[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely. Absolutely. Obviously you know you're not supposed to speed. You're not. You're not supposed to speed based on whatever the speed limit may be. I think you just have to be a little more cautious. You have to be a little more cautious. I think we've all Sped at some point. We've all been pulled over for a ticket at some point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

You're not supposed to do it at times. People who do it based on where you are, having to get somewhere, being a little late, being behind schedule on whatever it may be at the time, I'm assuming should do it with probably. I'm not sure whether it was morning, noon, or night when he was stopped over. Maybe he might have been trying to get to the stadium first. Maybe he wanted to make sure he got there at a certain time. Either way, hidden decision not to drive anymore or have a driver or have an Uber, whatever it may be, so he doesn't get any more tickets is a step in the right direction to make sure you don't make that mistake again. Or you just drive like I do and never go over 60 miles an hour.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, you think Rick is being blown out of proportion?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I don't think. I don't think so.

[Ricky Williams]

I think it's a. I think it's a warning sign. And not one alarm. Not an alarm. But a couple of things, and I've been there, is you got to know when there's a lot of heat on you lay low. Right. It don't mean you always have to lay low, is you got to have that sensitivity to when the heat is on you lay low. Here's the other thing. I put on my psychologist hat in, you know, everything that went down on Draft Day, you know, people, everybody around was pissed off. You know, but when they showed him on camera, he seemed cool. Right. And that's how you're supposed to be.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

But.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Ricky Williams]

Right. I say speeding is a. Is a manifestation of repressed anger.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Right.

[Ricky Williams]

It's got to get out somehow. So I say it's, you know, it's. I say, if I was a psychologist, I say it's okay to be angry. Right. It's okay to be angry.

[Chad Johnson]

I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you. So you think. Because at one point in time, people thought he was going to be the first pick in the draft. Ocho. Nobody thought he would get outside the top 10. So you think, you know, you think the top three, right? Yeah. Cause they talked about Cam Ward, him and Travis back to tuner.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you think sometimes. So you think the speeding might be a manifestation of something that's inside. Like, man, I just got to get this out. Just like blow some steam off. And you got, you know, you got your foot deep into the gas pedal.

[Ricky Williams]

Exactly. It's gotta. It's gotta come out somehow. You gotta come out somehow.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you know, it's funny Rick, when you think about it too, we talk about, I hate using the word yn, I hate using it, but obviously something that people use a day for the, for the young fellows. And anyway, when you think about it, right, Think about all the college kids at Georgia or just in general, everybody keep getting in trouble for doing what, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Speed.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, when you're young, when you're 21, 22, 23, you, you, you have, you have a need for speed. And the type of cars that they get are Challengers, Hellcats, Durango. Yeah, Trackhawks. So I mean it's, it's something that young folk do all the time, you know and they just have to pick and choose when to do it and have an understanding of your surroundings, you know, whatever devices. You know, technology is so advanced now put what you need in your car that let you know if there's anything around because you don't want, you don't want a mistake to happen like speeding and getting an accident and having someone pass away.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it was better to situation like this happen than alternatives.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. The thing is when you're young, Ricky, you can attest to this when you young, you feel invincible. You really think you can fly. You feel you can jump off a damn building and I'm. You can jump off a 10 story building and I ain't going to break ish, ain't nothing going to happen. You feel invincible because that's how we are, that's how we become who we are. We believe that we're going to go out there and can't nobody stop us. I'm going to run for a thousand yards tonight. I'm going to catch for 400 yards tonight. I'm going to do, I'm on the court, I'm going to score 50, I'm going to track, I'm going to break a record. You have that, that's, that's what separates us, is our mindset. We really believe that we are above, not better than you as just as a person. But I can do what I do better than you can do what you can do. Yeah, that's a blessing and a curse. What do you think Rick?

[Ricky Williams]

I mean it depends. On what? If you got somewhere to put it, you know, I think that's the key. If you got somewhere to put it, it's a blessing. When you don't, it becomes a curse. And I think that's the curse because it don't stop, right. That passion like when we stop playing, that passion, that need to Conquer to prove it, don't go away. And if you don't have somewhere to put it, then it definitely becomes a curse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Well, how do you turn it off? How do you say, as I'm not. Now I'm driving my car, I ain't invincible no more. I go to the game, I'm invincible. Now I'm invincible. I can do this. That's the thing. It's hard to turn it off because, like, once you compete.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's hard to turn that joint. That's the thing that athletes have the hardest time doing. Moving away from the game. Not all.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Most.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some. Because I've been competing my whole life. Ojo, we competed in flag football. Pee Wee, Pop Warner Junior varsity. Varsity college. So we've been competing. Basically. I'm 57. So I played football, tackle football for 26 years. I retired at 35. So since I was 9. So for 26 years, I've been competing. Now all of a sudden, what I'm going to do? Who am I competing against? How do I suppress that? How do I turn that off? Man, you pull up beside me. Oh, I'm on the treadmill. Oh, we racing? Nah, I'm just putting. Ah, you racing? You should have got up beside me. There was three treadmills over there, all over the other. You came to the one beside me. You running? Okay, we racing?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, you know what, Unc? Now that I think about it too now, not to go off subject a little bit, but go ahead. Transitioning from that competitive nature, that competitive edge. Normally when you stop playing, I believe obviously you've been. You haven't played in a very long time. But look, you didn't suppress anything. You've just taken that competitive nature as you had in football, tv. You didn't took it as business. You didn't took it to linear television. You didn't took it to hell. You didn't took it to Nightcap.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Then you take me, for instance. You listen. You know my black ass love to compete. I don't care what it is, whether it's video games, whether it's talking trash, whether it's challenging everybody that come on this goddamn show to do something, whether I'm joking or not. You know, in the back of my mind, I'm actually serious because I just want to compete. And I had that urge to find that love for what I used to do on Sundays. I gotta find somewhere else. I gotta find it somewhere else. So why not find it in everything else I'm doing in life? Well, except behind the Wheel, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Everybody don't get the opportunities that we got to go to television and do podcasting and do things like that. Some people, you know, my brother, he was like. He got into golf because it's hard to turn. When you do something for such a long period of time, it's hard to stop it. That's why addiction is hard, you know, because think about it. Most people don't. You don't become addicted one time. You've been doing it for an extended period of time, and now you're like. I mean, like, oh, man, what am I. I can't drink. I can't smoke. I can't go. I can't gamble. What about. Man, I can't play football, Ocho, man, I can't game no more, man.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

What the heck?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What am I gonna do? What do I do with this energy that I got, Ocho? Cause I used to burn it off practicing. I used to burn it off in the game. I used to burn it off. No, I'm. We gonna meet and I'm with the guys now. What do I do with that energy that I got nowhere to. Got nowhere to put it.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a good one. And I like that word you just used. The word. You just use. Addiction.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Having an addiction now. I forgot. I forgot the statistic. They say I might be wrong or correct me if I'm right, Rick or uncle if. You know, it takes 30 days to create a habit. So am I in my trip.

[Ricky Williams]

That's what they say. Yeah. 30 days.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

It takes 30 days to create a habit, but it takes fore to get rid of the habit. Hey, I'm not sure if you have an addiction, but. But Ricky, for you. For some of you love to smoke weed for whatever reason, do you think it's an addiction? And if you had to stop, could you stop if need be?

[Ricky Williams]

Well, it's a hypothetical question. So you have to give me, like, a real situation where I would. Where I would have to stop. Like, if I want to be in danger. Exactly. If I went to the doctor and the doctor said, it's not good for your lungs, you need to stop. Yes, I can stop.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ricky, did you have a. Did you have a vape?

[Ricky Williams]

No. Never got into vaping?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The NFL at once was trying to re. Devalue the running back positions. Do you think the season last year that the running back had. Saquon Barkley, Derrick Henry, Jameer Gibbs, Josh Jacobs, Joe Mixon. Do you think the running back position, Rick, is back in vogue now?

[Ricky Williams]

It's not back to like when we played, but it's.

[Chad Johnson]

But it's back.

[Ricky Williams]

It's back from the past couple years. It is, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And not only is it back though, Right. But it's back for the tier one running backs. You know, that select few that you just named. Obviously you left Christian McCaffrey out because he was injured last year, but with those players that you just named that the meat and potatoes of the tier one running backs, if they can consistently, if they can consistently change the dynamic and the way owners and GMs view that position, then they will continue to always be able to get top dollar at their position, regardless of how they feel about them being valued, because that means they're that much more important to an offense despite it being a pass happy league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

But young, you got to be one of the best, though.

[Ricky Williams]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

On the best, I, I agree.

[Ricky Williams]

But I even think, I even think that has a limit because of injuries. I'm telling you, I seen it. My, it was my, my second year in, in New Orleans, week 10, my thousand, my thousand yard, week 10 and broke my ankle. Right. I saw the look on my coach's face and I kind of. It looked like I will never depend on a running game again. I could see it. I could see it because I've been. Now, it's traumatic. So I think it'll, it'll go up, but I think, you know, invariably somebody's going to get hurt and then it'll kind of come back down. It'll go up, it'll come back down. And I think one of the ways we would have known the running back position was back is Saquon would have won the mvp.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ricky Williams]

Your team wins the super bowl and you run for 2,000 yards and you don't want an MVP. Like, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think Adrian Peterson was the last guy to win the mvp, wasn't he? Ate the running back.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, it used to be, it used to be. I mean, look, you can win the MVP. I mean, the year Eric Dickinson ran for 2105, he didn't win MVP because Dan Marino threw for 5,000 yards and 48 touchdowns. So you could, you're like, okay, 5,048 touchdowns. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's the MVP. We know Ed ran for 2105. But now it's kind of like the same thing with the, in the college. Unless a back has a Barry Sanders type season, because these quarterbacks are throwing for 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns. Ocho. And if you Go back and look at the running backs that had successful season. Look at the quarterback. Jalen Hurts won the Super Bowl. Lamar Jackson was a two time league MVP. You look at Joe Mixon, he has C.J. stroud, Jameer Gibbs, he had Jared Goff. You look at Josh Jacobs, he had Jordan Love. So you go look at so the days of you just, oh, I got a running back. You better have a quarterback.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause if your quarterback is not a threat, oh, they gonna take, they gonna take that running back away. I'm going to make me, I am going to make you beat me with your B option. You will not beat me with your A option.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And well, we'll see. We'll see if this is a tree, if this thing is trending up or last year was just an anomaly season because you know, you got Ocho, you know how to get. They make running backs do it for an extended period of time. See all the quarterback have one good year. Oh, we got to pay him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Running back, they got to put together two, three, four, five years.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean Drew Brees says his right arm does not work due to football injuries. Drew said he suffers from degenerative shoulder. All kinds of arthrit changes. When I throw in the backyard right now, I throw left handed. I think that was the, you know what that was the shoulder that he tried to jump on a fumble and his arm went all the way around. Cause John almost. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

In San Diego.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. His last year in San Diego. Rick, do you have any lasting injury? Do you have anything that prohibits you from doing things that you. Look, we all, as we get. Look, we're not going to be perfect as we get old because everybody think, man, you should feel that nothing should ache like you did when you was in your 20s. Nah, bro, you 45 and 50 and 60 years old, it's gonna hurt. Do you have any lasting injuries or things that bother you now, Rick?

[Ricky Williams]

Every once in a while my neck and my shoulder will flare up. I'll get that stinging pain down my.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ricky Williams]

Down my shoulder. It'll last maybe a week, then it'll go away. Probably happens couple times a couple times a year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You pull out one of you, you pull out one of the things like. Oh yeah, man, I don't. Nothing, nothing hurts, brother. Iri, brother.

[Ricky Williams]

Okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson]

I can't say that.

[Ricky Williams]

I can't. I can't say that. I, I really just have this neck and shoulder thing. But you know, but it's. But I'll tell you though, if, if I don't Do. If I don't do some kind of yoga or qigong or tai chi or meditation for three or four days, then I. I feel like I'm 80 years old. It's always something I have to say. I have to stay on.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

On.

[Ricky Williams]

On top of pretty much every day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tai chi is soft karate.

[Ricky Williams]

Hey, Exactly.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah.

[Ricky Williams]

You got.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, what the.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

What the hell?

[Chad Johnson]

I know a yoga. What the hell is Tai chi?

[Ricky Williams]

Doesn't show you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You make it. Part of me.

[Chad Johnson]

Do it again. Do it again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's for real. That's.

[Ricky Williams]

That's Tai chi.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's, you know. Yeah, it's kind of like. It's more meditative. It's known as a soft karate.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Soft karate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what they call titles.

[Ricky Williams]

One way to think about it is you will so slowly that you start to feel every single little muscle and ligament and tendon that's doing the movement. So it wakes it up because, you know, when we get stiff, it just. I mean, use it or lose it. I heard old people say that. I didn't believe it until. Until I got old, and it's true. So I got to do something, and I can't really lift weights. I don't want to lose weights, and I don't really want to run. So yoga and tai chi, qigong. Perfect.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, now that's exciting. Now I might want to try that. I try some. Some ta cha.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Tai chi. Yeah, I like that.

[Ricky Williams]

I bet you'll love it. You'll love it.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah.

[Ricky Williams]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't gonna love it.

[Ricky Williams]

I bet you he will. Watch. Why? He's gonna be hungry. Watch.

[Chad Johnson]

I can't. I can't. They talk about Pilates, you know, they talk about yoga like, I can't sit still, Rick. I got to be. I got to be moving. I got to be moving. I got to do something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You moving so slow. As he said, it's not like a fast. It's not like kung fu or Jetsun Kun or nothing like that. It's really slow. All the move, the movements are deliberate, right?

[Ricky Williams]

So all the energy, it goes into the focus. It's still movement, and you still are using energy. But as you do more and more and get better, you literally start to feel everything in your body.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[Ricky Williams]

I think you'll like it.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Tai chi. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lamar Jackson went off on Eagle. Fan of Eagle fan on Instagram. When the f. Have I ever complained? Just say we have a solid on paper roster so far. That's all Other ish. Not called for. You don't play for the Eagles, little bro. Continue to be a fan of the game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So, hey, talk.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

See this?

[Chad Johnson]

We see what I told you about telling the truth, huh? You see what I'm saying? Open it up. You see, our players are opening up now. We talk about Lamar Jackson, someone who rarely talks. You know, he. He's. He's not one that is very voiceless at times. He talks to the media because it's. He's obligated to contractually. But I like seeing stuff like this. Eagles fans. I love Eagles fans. Hell, I love the goddamn Eagles themselves. But I love players that at times clap back and try to put fans in their place. Because, listen, you're a fan of the team, a fan of the game, but you don't play. You don't play. Everyone has an opinion. Everyone has been afforded a platform and voice because of social media. So I'm glad players are taking the onus to let fans know. Let's stay in your place. I think it's cool. I like it.

[Ricky Williams]

Yeah. I think it's an art. It's an art to clap back without feeling like you take it in person. You know, you drawing the line in the sand.

[Chad Johnson]

I like it. I like it. Where you at? Hey, Rick.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

What.

[Chad Johnson]

What part. What part?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

You say you in Dallas?

[Ricky Williams]

No, I'm in Northern California. Up. Oh, up in the mountains.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You in the mountains?

[Ricky Williams]

Up in the mountains. Yep.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hold on.

[Ricky Williams]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, y' all got. Y' all got animals out there?

[Ricky Williams]

We don't got animals, but there's a goat and a horse. Two goats and a horse. Two horses next door. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I like that.

[Chad Johnson]

I thought you'd be out. Be out there hunting. Okay. Okay.

[Ricky Williams]

I never been hunting before. I tried to go hunting one time. Trying to go duck hunting one time, but I think I watched too many movies, so every time I. I pull up the shotgun, I cock it in the shower, would jump out the fly out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you cocking the. For the exposed. Be already loaded, Rick. You just a heavy fire.

[Ricky Williams]

I haven't seen too many movies. I thought, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, nah. You know. No, you ejecting the shell. You ejecting the shell. If you do that, what happened?

[Ricky Williams]

It happened like, five times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Rick, I'll be honest with y' all. Think you got the heart to really kill an animal.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

That's.

[Ricky Williams]

That's probably why it happened five times.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah, I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think that's the mechanism to make sure you don't go through with that act.

[Ricky Williams]

Yeah, I think that's Exactly.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Rick, that's a good thing that you do have that mindset, the fact not being able to kill animal. Because my grandma always told me if you can kill animal, you can kill a human. You know, stepping on ants, stepping on. Stepping on roaches. I never used to do that. I always used to catch them and place them outside so they can go home and be free.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, well, they weren't paying rent, so I'm killing them.

[Chad Johnson]

They aren't killing squirrels.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Used to kill squirrels.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, and catching fish. How you think the fish feel? How you think the fish feel? People go fishing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Didn't. Didn't Jesus feed a flock of people with fish?

[Ricky Williams]

He sure did. And bread, too.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. 40 loaves and two fish.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it was two. Fishing six.

[Chad Johnson]

I think it was six loaves and six loads. Hey, I don't know. I gotta holla at Jesus, but I'm trying to see how you feed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you.

[Chad Johnson]

How you feed that many people with two goddamn fish. Now you got to show me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, if you keep living right, you might go. You might have a conversation with him and he might be able to show you. You keep living.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Foul.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got to turn your way.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Oh, no.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, listen, listen, listen.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You're the straight now now, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I walk by faith. You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all we do.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, you that young? You know it's ten commandments, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

I got eight of them down path.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But a mother too hard. They hard, huh?

[Ricky Williams]

He said faith, but it's faith. In what?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Me.

[Ricky Williams]

Yeah. Faith in what?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Rick. I got faith in doing right. I got faith in doing right. At any time, at any time, I backslide, I ask for forgiveness and get right back on track.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? Now once you backslide, you ask for forgiveness. You can't backslide again now.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I ain't gonna do it, but they one thing. One thing is say in the Bible, it say, come before me after thou mistake, it make a mistake. And I just do just that.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Miami has always had an explosive offense. You were part of many prolific backfields, Ricky. Now Miami have Achan, Tyreek and Waddle. Is this the year Miami gets over the hump?

[Ricky Williams]

If Tua can stay healthy. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's where everything.

[Ricky Williams]

That's always the. That's always the question with Miami. We saw when two stay healthy, they went to the playoffs. So if Tua gets stay healthy. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Unk. Fans up, huh? Fans up. We gonna win the AFC East. How about that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where Buffalo go? Where they move Buffalo to who? But where they move the Bills to the Bills not no longer need.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, let me tell you something. Let me tell you how. Let me tell you how the AFC work is gonna work this year, okay? The Buffalo Bills are gonna have to come to the Dolphins when it's time for the playoffs, right? We're gonna win the games that matter most, so we have home field advantage and we don't have to take our ass to the goddamn in late December or January and have to play them goddamn Bills in the cold. That's the problem with us. We ain't won a game in the cold weather, which has been our Kryptonite since 1958.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But guess what? It's cold in Baltimore, it's cold in Kansas City, it's cold in Buffalo. Those are three teams I will suspect if I had to you had make me wager some money that meant something to me. And if it's my money, it means something to me that I think they're going to have better records than Miami. So with that being said, y' all probably gonna have to take y' all ass on the road again. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Can I tell you something too? You know. You know, it hurts my heart too, Rick. And the fact that they're. They're. They're. They're rumblings. There's discussions that a trade might be happening, you know, with Jalen Ramsey. They're trying to do work out whatever it may be. I'm not sure why you would want to get rid of a player of that magnitude who is well within his rights, still very good at what he does, especially in man to man. I don't understand what's going on for us. The Dolphins in itself and management and owners and Mike McDaniel. I'm not sure what's going on in that area. In the AFC east, you got a lot of good receivers. Yeah, a lot of good receivers. And you need a lockdown corner like Jalen Ramsey, who's in, who's been an All Pro, who's been to the Pro bowl to lock down one side or at least give you a chance, you know, and that's no disrespect to the other defensive backs that's on that team, but this is someone that is proven at the position.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But my thing is why, why not trade him in the off season? Why not trade him during the draft? Why the hell people get ready to go to training camp now? Why you try to trade him now?

[Chad Johnson]

I don't think it's going to happen. If it hasn't happened by now, I don't think it's going to happen. I don't think it's going to happen.

[Ricky Williams]

Until somebody gets hurt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, true.

[Chad Johnson]

Remember, he has, he has a base of 20 million. I don't think anyone, anyone wants to take on that, that base going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I think the thing is, Ocho, is that if you trade somebody to get hurt, you're gonna have to, you know, take on that kind of salary. But I just think the thing is that it made more sense to me. This is not something that just popped up out of the blue. You probably knew you wanted to trade him after the season ended, so now you start working in that direction. Okay, probably not going to be able to get maximum value. You might have to get up off him for a fourth round pick. I know you want more and he deserves more. But what you deserve and what somebody's willing to trade for, they know you want to get rid of something. I'm not giving you market value for it if I know you want to get rid of it. Ocho, right.

[Chad Johnson]

You right, you're right. I know a good place for him too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, you know, them cheap ass Bengals ain't gonna pay no money.

[Chad Johnson]

You see, I wasn't even for the state of Bengals. But I mean for them, for these fans that they've waited for 30 years. They waited for 30 years and I think it would be a huge improvement. He looked what the Ravens did and going to get Jair Alexander and bolstering.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That, Jalen Ramsey is costing 20 million and that's a one year deal. And Jalen Ramsey probably got three more years on that deal.

[Chad Johnson]

You're right. But I was just thinking about Jalen over there with that star on his helmet in Jerry's world. AT&T. I'm just throwing it. I'm just throwing it out there. They've already boasted the offense, so why not go and add another piece on defense and solidify that corner position to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jerry Jones could have got Derrick Henry for $8 million. You mean to tell me he gonna go spend $20 million on a corner?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

Think about what you just said. The running back position that owners don't really value, especially Jerry Jones, you know, he don't care about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's Derrick Henry.

[Chad Johnson]

See, you see, I love the way you said that. You said that with enthusiasm. You said it with enthusiasm. What you think is not the way he thinks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

The one, the check don't think like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's when the last time Jerry spent big money in free agents.

[Chad Johnson]

See, when the last time Jerry won a Super Bowl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just trying to tell you two.

[Chad Johnson]

Things can be true.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jared believes in drafting. Jared does not believe in paying guys or giving up draft capital to bring a guy in. I think the last guy they traded for probably was Roy Williams. They gave up because think about it. They gave up two first round picks for Joey Galloway. They gave him two first round picks for Roy Williams from the Lions, and it didn't work out well for him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So Jason F. This the one time it did work out well for him. They got time. They won a Super Bowl. But time is a generational talent.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, he is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rick, thanks so much for joining us tonight. Tell the chat where they can find you at on social media.

[Ricky Williams]

Yeah, so I'm at Williams on Insta and Ricky. Ricky Williams and on our X. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, bro. Come back when you. When they. When you're going back to fight Texas about that marijuana law, come back and tell us how you doing.

[Ricky Williams]

I sure will. Thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate you, bro.

[Ricky Williams]

All right. All right. Yeah. All right. Chad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yo, Ocho, look at this. Hey, guess what it says, Ocho. It says Nightcap Show 2025 podcast of the year. Shannon Sharp and Chad Johnson.

[Ricky Williams]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I like that. I like that. Hey, uncle, I've been working on my French too. I've been working on my. Hey, send me. Hey, send me my. Send me my award.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Unfortunately, I'm not gonna be able to do that on Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, why not?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guess what.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guess where the web is coming.

[Chad Johnson]

Where?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're in the money. We're in the money.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You owe me 5,900 and you get your awards.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, come over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Side 5,900 that.

[Chad Johnson]

Bonjour.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I need that.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hey, Jim. Yo, what's up?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Jim, you upside down? What's up?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hold on. How I go? They told me turn it sideways. I'm better now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, you better die. Yeah, you definitely better now.

[Chad Johnson]

What would I do? Twin.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

What's up, man? How you doing?

[Ricky Williams]

Nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

Been in this gym, you know. I'm looking rocked up like I just did 17.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah, we gotta stay in there. We gotta stay in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, guys, Jim Jones is joining us as OO was bringing him in. Jim, how you doing, bro?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

How you feeling, my brother?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You good?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah, I'm good, man. Life is good. God is good. I can't complain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So talk to us a little about this music thing. You've been in this thing for a minute now. So talk about Jim Jones of 20 Years Ago. Jim Jones today. Have you noticed anything different in the music industry? Have you noticed. Have you tried to do anything different with. With your sound to keep up with the way the industry is headed?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Oh, yeah, the industry. The industry has changed tremendously from when I started. There wasn't no social media, for one, when I started in 2003 with my first deal, and even before that when Cam started with his deal. So these kids got a bit of advantage when it comes to marketing the promo that we didn't have. They had access to a lot of information that we didn't have. A lot of people say it works against us, but I think it works for us. And watching the way that these kids work in the present day and things like that, I've learned a lot from them from how they carry their music, from how they sell their music, from how they market and promote their music. Us as being here for so long, we tend to get caught up in our dinosaur ways from yesterday, how to carry artists, but that's not the way to carry artists today. So there are platinum artists that have their nose up because they're big platinum artists, but that don't count in today's society. They don't carry it the same way. So what I've chose to do is always chose to try to reinvent myself, but not to the point where I'm chasing. But there's a medium that reach, because I always want to teach these kids, but I always want to learn something also. So you know that. And. And what? Reinvent yourself. You got to be willing to be disciplined, to know what direction you want to go in when it comes to reinventing yourself. You know, I mean, One of the things I credit do is the gym. The gym is one of the biggest attributes to me being able to sustain this long in the game. Sustainability is a. Jim, let me ask you this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I see this a lot and a lot, especially in music. And I see this with. In television and entertainment. Actors, actresses. It's like, man, every record that he put out, it sounds the same. Okay? He does something different, man. He don't sound like the old guy. He don't sound like he used to. Okay, an actress, they try. Actor, actress, they try to do a different role than what we're used to seeing, man, I like when he did that. I don't like this new. So you want the guy to change. You want the individual to change and give you something different. And when they give you something different, you say they don't sound the same and you don't like it. So how does someone win? Now, the person that I have the utmost respect for and what she's been able to do is Beyonce. Beyonce is as big as you can get in one genre. And she says, you know what? I'm gonna go over here and I'm gonna do this. I mean, it takes some whisper. It takes some Gus. Jim to do that.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I mean, she like Michael Jordan. When Michael Jordan left the NBA and he went to the. To the nbl, the major league and mlb, he had to have a lot of guts, you know what I mean? Like, same with, like, Dion, Neon Dion, when he was playing football and playing baseball and being successful at the same time in both of them sports, I mean, and that takes a lot of heart. I haven't seen anybody else do that successfully the way that Beyonce has done it. So I tip my hat to the barriers that she continued to break inside of this music industry.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, Jimmy, what you think right now about the state of hip hop where it is right now? How do you feel about it, especially with the young dudes with the sound now? Obviously, I think when it comes to rap in general, hip hop in general, I think the sound changes every 10 years. How do you feel about this era of hip hop right now that we're in? Do you like it? Have you embraced it? What?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I mean, in my opinion, it doesn't matter because I had my time where we were dictating the sound of music and we had a ball and there were older people that was hating on the time that we had and things like that. I encourage these youngsters to be as creative as they can, as long as it's connecting with the crowd. And the people are singing your shit and they going to your shows and who am I to say I don't like that music when they out here spanking shit, you know what I mean? You did, but yeah, so it's like you gotta find. You gotta stay true to yourself, but find your rhythm in the mixture what's going on, Else you're gonna be lost in the sauce. So you're gonna be looking like an old dude or you're gonna be looking like a has been, you understand? I'm not into that. My energy ain't for that. You heard? If I'm gonna be a contender in this game, I'm gonna play at the top. At the top of my ability to play, you know what I mean? I'm not gonna take no shortcuts enough. And I'm in it. I'm in it. That means I gotta contend with the younger boys. I gotta contend with older boys. So that means I gotta. They only respect violence and not to say violence, but you know what I mean? Like, they gotta see that shit, you dig?

[Ricky Williams]

Right?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

While I'm in the game, I' ma show em that shit. Like, people don't get it twisted. Like I'm a man of many, many different things. Like my rapper hat is one hat that I wear. But if I'm rapping and I'm in it, I'm in it. What's up? I'm going against all odds and what I gotta do to maintain or be a contender in this game, to keep feeding my family, making the money that I make off this, you know what I mean? I think people get that twisted when they see me talking and popping my shit and shit like that. That's just one character that I gotta put out there for y' all. Eat up. You know what I mean? But.

[Chad Johnson]

Matter of fact, hold on, I'm. Let's go on. I just, I'm really. I saw some. I saw some comments. I saw a clip about, you know, you and Push. I'm not sure if you and Push, you know, got any type of beef or whatever. I just saw something about you. You talk about the ace trumpets.

[Ricky Williams]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

You didn't like. You didn't like the album, you didn't like the song, you know, Woody raps about.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

It's not believable. I don't got no beef with. I don't got no beef with nobody, you know.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay, okay. I'm just there.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Half of it is my opinion. Half of it is me bending the algorithm. Half of it is feeding into people's Simplicity, because the social media is for that, you know what I mean? And like I said, I'm a rapper in this game. It comes with the territory. You gotta be very competitive. It's a very competitive sport. And you better have some thick skin. I ain't say nothing. I wanna hurt nobody or do nothing to nobody. Everything I've been talking about very strictly about the art of world when it comes to the music nowadays. Now, maybe 10 years ago, 15 years ago, there would have been a different outcome. What I was. You know what I mean, when I was projecting. I'm not on that. And I think a lot of that gets twisted in with the Jim Jones of today and things like that. I ain't got no positive. Nobody ain't got no. I ain't got no optional nothing. And, you know, it's parts of me that I've been working on every day. So tell. Sometimes I talk way too fast than I should, you heard? But it's part of the game. I don't care, you dig? I hate it. I love it. I'm gonna turn it into. Into a victory for me.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Check this out, Jim. It seems to me since this past summer, what passed last summer, when Kendrick had that diss, it seems like now people are just like, yo, hey, we saw the success that Kendrick had, got five Grammys, he hosted the, you know, halftime show, the super bowl, blah, blah, blah. We see a lot more dissing going on. Is that what we. Is that where we're headed now, Danny?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Where you been at? You don't remember Tupac? You see the success that Tupac had? Yeah, but look, you see the success. What about Kumo? What about Kumo?

[Chad Johnson]

This ain't.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

This is a competitive sport. The rap is built on that. So Kendrick and Drake having what they have was no surprise to the rap industry. I mean, people look at it as something, but this is what the art of rap is about. This is a very competitive sport, and you gotta be ready to be on top of your game when it comes to that. So if you put something out, you gotta be ready for the same energy to come back at you. That's what rap is about. Some people don't go down that lane. Some people go around that lane. Some people go right through it. I'm one of the people that go right through it. One loser draw, I keep the same face.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on. Jim, Jim, bro, I'm not looking for you to come at me. I put you on. Remember? I used to have you on my. I used to have I used to. Used to tour with me, used to open up for me, bro. You know, you remember that, right? When nobody was booking you. You remember that, Jim?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You heard this song. You heard this. You heard the same with when rivals. I mean, idols become your rivals. That's what the rap game is about. Did Allen Allison hesitate to shake Michael Jordan up when he got in the NBA? No. Okay. Cause he was on another team. That might not stop the love he had for Mike. But while we on this battlefield, my team got to win. And I'm willing to kill anybody that's in front of me for my team to win. And that was Allen Alice's attitude. You got to understand what happens when you come into this game. Your idols become your rivals. There's no passes. When we on the other team, we meet you at the party, we can laugh, pop champagne. But right now, while we on this field, while we on this court. Oh, I'm coming to scrape shit up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, we can't pop no more champagne. You got people laughing at me. And guess what they playing in the football games? They playing the basketball game. Not like us. Oh, no, we can't pop no champagne after that, J. Hey, as a matter of fact, I'mma close the club down. Hey, if. Hey, if he coming, I ain't coming.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I mean, but I just told you, that's what it is. It's competitive sport now. You gotta. It got different levels to it and things like that, but that's what this was built on, you heard? So it's sad that they gotta go to such lengths when it comes to artists getting at each other when it comes to the music. But what you project is what you gonna get. So this have that same energy you put out there. Cause somebody coming right back at you with that same energy, sooner or later.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you one more question, Ocho. So are we gonna get some new music? Cause we saw you and Cam kind of going back and forth as the Dipset coming back. Y' all gonna link up together and give us some new music, yes or no?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Right now, I'm worried about myself. Dipset is always Dipset. The birds still fly high. I've been having a bird on my back for the past 15 years when nobody was worried about you. Think so? That's gonna go. But right now, I got to worry about me. I got to worry about my endeavors. I got to worry about my business. I got to worry about my family. You dig? I've done a lot for Diplomats where it didn't Give me nothing at the time. But right now, where I'm at in my life, what. What works for me and what I'm worried about is myself. I can't tell you what the future may hold or what the future may bring. I'm not taking nothing off the table. You think? But right now, it's about Jim Jones. Yeah. I am a diplomat on to bet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Oo, I like that. Listen, I, I. You took the question. I, I was fast, and I think, I think. You know what? History repeats itself, Jimmy. History always repeats itself. And most of the time, when history repeats itself, it comes back even bigger and better. I think Diplomats is going to have. They're gonna have reunion. I think y' all boys gonna reunite. And despite your differences, despite whatever situations y' all might have, you know, all that can be fixed behind closed doors. That ain't nothing but a conversation that just got to be had.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Bad.

[Chad Johnson]

Especially when making that money.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Or a check. Yeah, a nice check always calms things down, you heard? I'm not a stupid man, you heard? You dig? But I understand, man. But right now, where I'm at, until that happens, until some business get put on the table, what's advantageous for all sides right now, I got to worry about what capo is doing. And it's been working for me that way, you know? I mean, I've been staying out of everybody's way a little bit, you know what I mean? Trying to. Every day, every day, every day I work on me. Every day I get better and things like that, you dig? I'm. I'm unapologetic, you dig? And I don't have no regrets, you know, me. But I do, I do work on myself every day, you know? I mean, I'm not a perfect man, you dig? But I'm the perfect example of what can happen if you stay down till you come up. And that's what I did plenty of times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, look, you one of the OG's. Rap. I mean, hip hop is 50 years of age. You've been in this thing two decades.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I ain't 50. I'm 48.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said hip hop. Oh, it's 50.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I thought you were shooting it at me. My bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, hip hop is 50. But you've been in this thing for two decades, right?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I've been in this thing. So, yes, it's a little bit more than that. Since 1997, Cam got his first deal, so I'm like 28 years in two. Two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, so almost three decades.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah, 100%. And I've been signing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I've been signed my first deal two decades ago.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How do you determine who you. How do you determine who you work with now? When you want to work with the young artists, how do you go about that? How do you be like? Man, I kind of like him. I think we can make some beautiful music together.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I mean, I hold no prejudice. I'm looking for great music, and I'm looking for great aesthetic. Music isn't everything in today's world when it comes to music. If you got a lifestyle that you can sell, these kids could buy into. That's just as good as having a great hit song and things like that. And that's how it worked for me. So it's a combination of things that I look for to work with the artists or to do business with the artist. But as far as doing music with the artists and things like that, obviously I'm a lover of music. So if I hear a record that I hear and I think is dope, and I think the artist is dope, I'll reach out 1.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How do you stay motivated? Y' all mute. We lost him. Yeah, I think we lost him. Oh, damn.

[Chad Johnson]

That was, that was good. I was enjoying that, bro. Hey, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about rapping, man. Shoot, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

What you think?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. Oo. What you gonna rap about now, Ocho?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Show who?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I mean, I'm just saying I'm a rap about things that, that I've experienced in life, you know, that, that, that's, that's the best thing to rap about. That's what most rappers, they, they rap about the things that they've experienced, you know, the ups, the downs, the goods, the bads, you know, the, the W's, the L's. Yeah, I, I, I think I could put it together.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think so?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, there we go. Oh, you back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You look like a. Oh, you look like a French painter with a little bit of biggie from Brooklyn with that on. You heard? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I, I just came, I just came from the south of France. I was down there for six days, so I just got back yesterday.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Oh, that's the vibe. You still, you still.

[Chad Johnson]

So I'm, I'm still, I'm, I'm still on my, on my suave.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah, you're still feeling that. I get it. I get it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I get it. I'm on that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At this juncture of the game, what Keeps you motivated. What gets Jim makes Jim jump out of bed, press down hard as he can and press go. What keeps you going?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I would say the money. But I've been making money for a long time. And the opportunity to take care of my family, I've been doing that for a long time. At this point, I've been doing a lot. So my mission has been to give back more than I took. But I was able to take a lot and I'm still taking. So that's where I'm at in life right now. You know what I mean? The more I bless people, the more I get blessed, man. It's just a testament of hard work and being resilient and being real with yourself. I mean.

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[Malcolm Gladwell]

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[Malcolm Gladwell]

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[Malcolm Gladwell]

I don't really have much in my purse. Oh, let's see. Hand sanitizer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's lavender.

[Zoe Saldana]

I'm good. Seriously.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Let me check this pocket.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, mints.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I have raisins. I'm a mom. Wait, wait one sec. I've got cupcakes in the car.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, so we all make mistakes, but owning up is the right thing to do. You know a Degree Cool Rush deodorant will last you year. They changed the formula and it did not go well with their fans.

[Ricky Williams]

Degree's whole thing is it turns up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The sweat and odor protection when you.

[Ricky Williams]

Turn up the effort. And good thing it does because Cool Rush fans really turned up the effort to bring back the original formula.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened. They admitted they effed up and are bringing the original Cool Rush scent back. And it's exactly how you remember it. Cool Cool, crisp and fresh. It's back in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under $4.

[Ricky Williams]

There's a reason why it's been the number one men's Annie purse Sprint for the last decade. It's the same reason why people were not happy when it changed. So if you never tried it, it might be a good time to see what the fuss is about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Head to your local Walmart or Target to try the OG Degree Cool Rush for yourself. Can I ask you a question, Jim? You smoke, right?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Were you smoking when you said you better than Nas?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I might have been a little bit. Well, as far as let's, let's get this right. I'm way more influential than Nas and I don't care what nobody say. I know I made it. I know I made a little boo boo. When you talk about the sales and all this type of shit, I don't feel like getting into that rhetoric about where I started and where he started.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you said that bullshit.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

But listen, Nas was nice when I was in high school. When I was in 10th grade, Nas came out. Nas was dope. We appreciated him. He had a little bit run. But Nas always came up second to Jay and DMX and all these other people. Like he never shame. He never had that type of influence on us except for his first album. I already told you, I used to want to dress like Nas because he had a lot of fresh Clothes that the hustlers used to wear and. And we used to see him on tv. He had one of the illest albums of all time. And then in high school when he had the barbecue and like that. So I'm a real fan of Nas, but he kind of lost me after Bell the movie Belly and like that. Like it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't go ahead with that.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm trying to tell you. I'm being honest. You want. You ask me, I'm being a fan. I'm telling you. From the movie. Belly was fired, but after that, he kind of lost me. I don't think. I think we was way too much into the game. Remember how this goes? Let's not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ever heard of a Kofi List? Yeah.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yo, go back into your history and find out what happened between us and him, you dig? And I'm not trying to repeat history, but don't play with us when it comes to that, bro. We already went wild on them boys, you heard? We the ones that went wild on them boys, you heard? And people out here acting. Like I said, I'm going to bring the Koofy list back. I just told you, I'm a changed man. Stephanie Law, can you dick?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, look, I'm putting you like this here, Jim. Hey, bro, you've been in this thing. But lyrically, I'mma be. I'm going to keep it a stack with you.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah, but Nas, look how you dress. You don't even be in the same places I be in. Then listen to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can be in the church house. You can't. I don't know who told you that. Now, look, you know, you're not seeing.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You got a bunch of 40 and 50 year olds in their panties because I said I'm. I'm better than that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't matter.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Look at you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at you. Only nobody from Dip, nobody from the Diplomats but you.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I show too. You want to go back to. I really mean it. I really mean it. St you can go back to. For you don't do that, bro. That shirt keep telling you, sticking up for Nas.

[Chad Johnson]

I got. I got a question.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

And meet me in a booth or something if we want to do something historical.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He don't do that no more. N say he don't do that because.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

He got $100 million. He's a very wealthy man, you heard? He's a very small businessman. He caught a couple.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on, hold on, Jimmy, hold on. I got a question. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jim. Hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got a Question.

[Chad Johnson]

And this speaking, Jimmy. And anything that you do right? I've heard you preach it all. All the time, right? When you was playing football, you. Your first thing. You always say, ain't nobody here better than me.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Ah, tell. Tell them again.

[Chad Johnson]

Mentality. You told me that story a million times.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Listen to me. Anybody in this.

[Ricky Williams]

Hold on, Jimmy.

[Chad Johnson]

Jimmy, let me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me.

[Chad Johnson]

Jimmy, stay with me real quick. Stay with me now, Unc. Stay with me now. But I'm just saying that mentality, isn't that how you supposed to feel? Isn't that how you supposed to feel?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question. When you was on the field, you thought you was better than Tio and Moss? Hell, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

What you mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You done came on here and say, I ain't better than Moss. I'm not better than Tio. I'm not better than Rice. You said that.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not playing the game no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you were.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you was playing different. Why you talking.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You did. Again with the I'm still playing. I'm still playing. I'm still playing at a high level. You better check my record. Y' all need to go back and.

[Ricky Williams]

Get J.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm rapping at a high level. You better check my stats, bro. I won. I will run circles around N rapping right? I will run circles around Nas rapping right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Put his microphone up.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm siding around Nas right now. Rapping. Everybody knows that. You heard?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He put it down. He said it down.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I will run laps around Nas rapping right now, bro.

[Ricky Williams]

Jim.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you talking about right now, but I'm talking.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You couldn't see it. I'm still in it. Okay? Cam was smoking his boots. I wasn't rapping when he was rapping, but, Cam, we really got out at him. You remember? I really mean it. We've been getting at them, boys. But this. Not about that right now. 20, 25. I'm in the game. Still rapping at a high capacity. If Nas wants to smoke, come in a booth. I will rap.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Smoke, smoke. He enjoyed that 150 million, 200 million he done made.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

So leave me alone while I'm on the field. You was effing with him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was you.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm on the field. I'm picking on whoever. Whoever, whatever. I don't care. I'm on the field. And guess who's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know who on the field?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Kendrick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dre. Guess who will be on the field. You need to call like, someone. You need to call like Kendrick. You need to Call somebody that's still in it.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

He ain't in it. Why? Kendrick. Kendrick, your name. At my age. I wasn't. They in my era. I ain't got. That's not my era.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He retired. Have you ever heard of retirement?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Well, that's my error, so I'm calling all of them out. I don't care if you retired or not. Deal with it. If not, meet me in the boot camp. And I'm just talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you supposed to say?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm not mad. Let's get this right. I'm not mad. It's about the sportsmanship of the game. People know I'm a very aggressive person that seems to get misconstrued when I'm talking my shit. I'm just talking my shit. You heard. Let me talk my shit. Cause I am on the field. If anybody got a problem with that, they can meet me on the field. That is the booth. Anybody from that era? Anybody?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, why got. You know what?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Anybody from that era? Anybody?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you and Jada in the same era.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Anybody from that era? Don't try to stop that. Anybody from that era? Stop. I'm not scared of nobody, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

P. Hey, hey. See you speed right now.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Anybody from that era.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got to put the break assist on you speed. So I got to slow you down.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm in the. In the booth. Anybody want to work out, tell them, come to the field.

[Chad Johnson]

See, we got. This is the perfect opportunity. You not even paying attention. Your antennas ain't up right now. Listen, he said anybody from his era. Anybody knew he in the field, right? Shit. We can have our own verses on our own nightcap verses.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Nah, I got nausea. It's deeper than the verses. It's about who making music. Meet me in the booth. What the record up. Give us a time to do the record by. Give us a subject. And let's see who won't smoke who on the booth.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's it, man.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Come on. It's about the sportsmanship. It's about the craftsmanship, the numbers, the records you heard. Cause we both got records that can smash. We both got Meet me in the booth. All that old school won't play no records from 20 years ago. I am not nostalgic. It's 20, 25. You don't want smoke, Meet me in the booth. Set it up. And we can do it for money. Labels can pay for it. How y' all want to do it? We can make the spectacle out here. You heard? I'm a.

[Chad Johnson]

Got it. I got.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got n.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I Got. Well, get him in a booth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got J.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Listen to me. Anybody in the booth, I will pull up by myself on my help you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you get on that mic, they can't help you. When J start spitting, who you gonna get to help you?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, un. You're not seeing the vision.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Uncle vision shirt, too.

[Chad Johnson]

It's an opportunity.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You gotta start buying bag of your clothes. Big fell, big man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You talk about you in the gym now. You want to get me. You want to. Want me to see me in the gym?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Oh, we can do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You like to talk, that is.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Now come see me in the gym. We talking about working out. What we talking about working out? Strength.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hold on.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Working out or strength? Sit down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Work however you want to do it.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

We talking about work. Since you got money and we talking about working out. You talking about working out? You talking about working out? I burn you. You talking about working out? Strength. Because you probably can learn more than me. Bigger than me. You're probably stronger than me. But if you talk about working out, you talk about working out, I'll burn you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This ain't what you do. This ain't what you want.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

The stat. You better. You better go to my ig. Set it up. Set it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I be the. Hey, I.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

What you want to start on?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You small.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You ain't in my league. You want what you want to start on?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't too small.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Put a trainer in between. Don't back out. Do not back out now. Do not back out now. I come to Atlanta tomorrow and give you work. Dude, bro, you too.

[Chad Johnson]

Small, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You too.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You talking a lot. What you want to do? Hey, stick to what you do.

[Ricky Williams]

Let's go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. Hey, stick to what you do.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You don't want to get embarrassed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to take that away from you. But stay at the gym.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You got some money. Do you want to do that?

[Chad Johnson]

I want to compete, too, uncle.

[Ricky Williams]

We doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Start with O. You can't. You don't get the.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You don't get the cup. You don't get the cup. Let me tell you why.

[Ricky Williams]

One story.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Let me tell you one story. Let me tell you one story. I'm gonna tell you one story. How I met Antonio Brown. My son said, you know Antonio Brown live up the block because I live on the beach. And like that. I'm like, who's that? He like, he showed me to him. I DM'd him. He like, oh, yeah, your son play football? Come get this workout. So I get on the beach, Cam Newton and like, a few other NFL players. I ain't gonna say nobody name. He made two of them go home because I was. I finished the workout before they finished the workout, bro. Do not play with me. I'm a beast, nigga. I will. I will go crazy, Shannon. I will go crazy on you. What do you want to do? You want to. You want to work out or you want to do strong?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You heard.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Because obviously you can lift longer than me, but you can't work out with me, bro. I'm a beast.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm a beast.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah, muscle up nothing. You can't do nothing with me, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dude, you weigh 150 pounds. You should do muscle up.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I weigh. I weigh 195. I weigh 195. 5. My Instagram. Go to my Instagram right now. I walk out every day. I post it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't post it.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Don't play with me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I work out in secret.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I post it every day. What's up? What day?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't post nothing.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

What day you want me to come to Atlanta?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't even in Atlanta. I'mma come see you.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Oh, come to New York. We got Js.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, you want to do it on the show?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You want to do a live on the show? 30 minute work?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't do anything for show. Just me and you. And I just want you to know that I killed your ass doing what you do.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You see what I'm saying, Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, see you about show. I'm about doe.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm one in two. I want in too.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

The show gets the dough. You never heard that? Yeah, no dough, no show. What's up? You scared we can do it by the pay per view. I know you got a lot on the line. Cause you're a professional football player or ex professional football player. You don't want to get scraped up by a rapper. Tired up by older rapper.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, when we gonna compete?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't no rapper beat me or nothing. But on the mic, when it come to the gym, that ain't happening.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

What you want to. What you want to do? What you want to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look here you have the rap game. That's you. That's your era. That's your. That's your era. That's what your era of expertise, J. My name I ain't f to waste my time dealing with you, man. Cuz you ain't on this level. Double.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You want to run sprints, you want to run routes? What you want to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or you just want to stay in the gym?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Or you just want to stay in the gym? And I got a bad thing. And I still give you work or you want to stay in the gym?

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the gym. I don't want to do nothing but that iron. I don't move nothing but iron.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Yeah, yeah. We can move iron. We can move iron.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you. Hey, check my resume. It's expensive.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

In 30 minutes, you will not. You won't last 30 minutes with me. You want me to follow you or you want to follow me? How you want to do it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't follow me. You can't do nothing. You can't bench, you can't squat. You can't. You can't do nothing. You want to do body weight movements? I don't do body weight movements.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You better go check my gram. I do surfing squats. I do regular squats. We do deadlifts. We do everything. Are you out your mind, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That you £195, man? What I look like going up against £195, man in the gym? That's wasting my time.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Where I'm from, a challenge is a challenge.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it is. Regardless of size, right?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

We fight all bullies where I'm from. That's how I get up. You heard I didn't get a no man or nothing. You heard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm the U.S. what I look like taking over Greenland? They ain't got no damn military. This ain't what you're looking for.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Well, bring your mouth and your body to Harlem.

[Chad Johnson]

Let's go to the gym. Let's go to the gym.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You thought I was one of these out of shape rappers? No, I'm in super shape. I'm not in regular shape. I'm in super shape.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, apple is a shape.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Pear, egg shape. I'm in super shape.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you can ask everybody. We was having a great conversation. You see what you did?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Why you think I was on the COVID of Men's Health for my looks? Because I could dis.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Chad Johnson]

When we going in the gym? Because I want. I want this work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm busy.

[Chad Johnson]

I want this work.

[Ricky Williams]

You busy.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You bring it up now. You busy, rich man it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You, you on your cape. First of all, you chat. You want Nas, you want Jada, you want everybody. And then you got to tell.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You said that. You said that. You start bringing up with people. Don't try no slick. I said I don't care who it is. I will go up against anybody. That's what I said.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's a better rapper than Nas. Jim Jones defends himself against Nas comparison. Jim Jones rejects Nas comparison. Comparison. Check my record. Jim Jones argued he's bigger than Nas. You said that.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You sound like you're a little hot. You over there hot, man. You in your feelings.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause me and everybody else.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Your glasses a little bit. Your glasses a little crooked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My glasses are fine. You can talk about my. I take them off. You can see, and I still can see. You can't f with Nas. I put them back on. You still can't f with nas.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Come on. 6. Sing 16 bars. 16 bars and nas right now. Sing your favorite Nas record right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The man busy.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Sing it. Sing it. Sing your favorite Nas record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, huh? Once you get to a certain listen.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Sing your favorite Nas record. Jim, I bet you know your favorite Jay Z record. I bet you can say your favorite what, Jim? Sing your favorite Nas record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? You done flew high. You came back down. Now you ain't even know.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Sing your favorite Nas. Wicked, bro. Since you. Since you back. Since you going crazy for. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. I can sing more Nas records than you right now. So you. You are capping? You are capping. That's what you're doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, bro, you are cap.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm a bigger Nas fan than you are. You are capping.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all. First of all, I don't be singing no rap. I don't be singing no rap.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You see what I'm saying? Oo, he don't even know about rap. He just doing this for the viewers to get Jim Jones on there to get him hot. I understand, understand. But you don't know. You don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You better check the podcast now. Now you better check.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Podcast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ever been on do you know.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Bigger than this one? I'm not a. I'm not a podcast. This is what I do about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

A little young white girls. Chill out, chill out, don't chill out.

[Chad Johnson]

We off topic.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You're dealing with the wrong one, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right here, bro.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I don't care enough about nothing that you got to say, bro. You might as well take me off this, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, we.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Hey, we here. You can't talk me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You might cannot me, but you can't out talk me.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Don't nobody want to go to Club Sh. Nobody want to buy no VIP tickets to that. Nobody rushing to go to that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do got. You get an invite.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

You do got a good podcast. Tremendous. You and Ultra do your thing. Don't get it twisted, bro. I don't care nothing about no podcast.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, we supposed to be talking about music and love and embracing One another and culture.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We a let it come out here and disrespect Nas and Jada. That ain't gonna happen on here. Now, where were we?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Why you keep putting Jada into this? Why you keep putting J into this? What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you, bro? You're the type of to get caught. Like. Nah, come out. They caught us all. Like, why you keep trying to punch Jada into this, bro? No, I get it, bro. It's all good. It's all love, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, you talk about this here. Tell us about this movie you got coming out.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

The next movie, what you said.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, you got a movie coming.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Out right after Church Steps. Lovely movie. I got a bunch of comedians in there, a bunch of influences that we all. No, I'm excited to put that movie out. Comes out later on this summer. It's added on to my album. Had a bunch of dope actors in there too, so I'm looking forward to that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So are you most proud of the movie you have coming out or the new music you got coming out or they're equal?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I'm more proud of the business that I've been doing lately.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

So you must think my life revolves around music when my life is. Music is just probably the smallest fraction of my life. Even though a few. A lot of the things that comes to my life because of music. But I'm a great businessman all around the board, you know what I mean? So you got to learn a lot, a lot more about me. And I'm a philanthropist. I'm one of one of the few people that do give back. Shirts off my backs and things like that. All the rhetoric about the rap and back and forth is cool and like that. But deep down inside, I'm away. I'm a way element than what we over here going off about and things like that. Like I, I, I. My biggest attribute is my giving back. You heard? I'm gonna always do that no matter what. I don't want people to get it, get it misconstrued. I love to give back. That's what my whole mission is about. And the more I go viral, the more I'm on your Explorer page, the more opportunities come to me, the more I can give back. All this comes down to a dollar is what people don't understand. This algorithm is a game that I had to learn and understand because I was previously I probably would crash down so many things that I see on the Internet or so many ways that people are talking about me. I had to learn how to reverse it and use these things as fuel for me to keep going and things like that. And that's just what I've been doing. I got to a point where I got good at it. So I know how to use it in my fav. And it's a beautiful thing. It could go against you, it could go for you. But one thing, if you're a small person, it's gonna work. It's gonna work in their favor. You know what I mean? So I use all my opportunities to turn it into a dollar. And anytime that I've seen, heard, they're gonna go, wanna, wanna know about me. Extreme is an extra dollar. I don't care about what nobody say. I mean mine in all facets. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I wanted to ask you. I wanted to ask, when did. When was it always a part of your, like, if you ever made it that you were gonna give back? Because like you said, you do, you do give back to the younger generations. When did that thought process? How did that come about, Jim Jones? Like, you know what, if I get to a certain level and I'm able to help and I'm able to give back, that's what I'm going to do.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

We from an older era, a Garfield era. So I watched my family open their house to strangers sometimes and things like that. They was always a given. And not to mention when I was coming outside and watching the hustlers doing for the community, the ones that were successful, the ones that always came back, bus rides, sneakers, haircuts, all of that. So I just chose to carry on to kids position. And me being a position of success in my life only helped me to do a little bit more than what I've seen coming up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what's up. That's good, bro. Hey, I'm gonna pull up in Harlem.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Come on, I'm waiting for you, man. I love you. I love you, big fella. Hey, Unk.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey. Hey, Jimmy. Hey, Unk. If you. If you pull up in Harlem, we gotta go to Ricardo's.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Nah, we gotta go to Ricardo's. Hey, Sam. Gotta go to Ricardo. You know what? I love you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I love people.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I love people that I could go back and forth with if people don't take no offense to it. You heard a lot of people look at this and might take offense to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It, but we black, they are. We don't care.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

We know who we are. You dig? Like 100 people. We can never let no electronics get in between the realism, we know it says stake here, and we know what we doing, you dig? And I appreciate you for that, because a lot of people would have took everything to effect fencing, like you heard, but we are who we are, man. I appreciate this opportunity, man. Y' all do have a great show. I cannot take that from you. You want to pull up this workout? Come on. O' Shea could bring him to Harlem. Let's work out. Let's go.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, he not. Hey, he not as strong as he say, though. He's not as strong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

This was a nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Jim. Real talk, though, man. I appreciate you coming on OO and I, we really appreciate it. We appreciate the time, and we'll. I'll never. You know, hey, we have a great time going back and forth, talking about Nas and Jaden. You. But, bro, you stand the test of time. You do what you do. You great at what you do, and I appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule tonight to come on with OO and I and talk about all things. So we. I had a great time. I don't know about oo, but I had a great time.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, listen.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

This is.

[Chad Johnson]

This was iconic tonight. This was iconic. Anytime you got this is, the funny thing about it is people not gonna understand what y' all talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gonna be trending, Jim. You know, we gonna be a story in the morning.

[Chad Johnson]

People not.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

This.

[Chad Johnson]

People not gonna understand that. This is what we do.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Nah, this is what we do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

This is the culture. This is how we act. This. This is how we act when we get together. Like, people gotta understand, like, yeah, I love y' all, though, man. I appreciate it.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, this wasn't nothing but a spades gang without a car.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

100%. Our whole attitude is spades all day.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All day, bro. Hey, the thing was, if I was in Harlem, we say, okay, let's go find the gym right now. We'll find out what we buy.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

100%. 100%. 100%, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We stand on that. Hey, but, Jim, hey, man, best of luck on the album. Best of luck on the movie, man. Hey, when you get some free time, stop back. Bye bye.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

I will.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I appreciate that, bro. All love.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Thank you.

[Chad Johnson]

Remember my legend.

[Ricky Williams]

That was.

[Chad Johnson]

That was awesome.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Chad Johnson]

That was. That was awesome.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, you know everybody gonna say, man, Jim Jones, the Shadow shop was going, baby.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, no, no, they don't understand it any. Anybody that say that, they don't play spades. No, they don't play spade.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But OO it's been a while since I've been able to get that out. Oo I've been sitting on this for two months now.

[Malcolm Gladwell]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was just. I would just wait. I was just. I was just waiting on the right time. Won't you just wait on the right time?

[Malcolm Gladwell]

The volume.

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