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Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, and Iso Joe react to Knicks being frustrated with KAT and Thibodeau has full buy in from Knicks!
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Joe Johnson
Nah, I Think. I think he definitely knew, you know, what he was trading for what they was going to get out of Cat. Now I understand they want him to be more of an anchor, you know, for that defense, you know, because he, he's the big guy. He's the last line of defense.
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Unknown Host
Seven foot tall.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, he's the last line of defense. Unc and Ocho and I guess they expect more of a presence out of him from being in the paint, from when guys coming in there, altering shots, blocking shots. They, they want him to play both ends of the floor, man. They want him to be a two way big, not just a big who come down pick and pop and shoot threes.
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Unknown Host
But he's never, but Joe, he's never been that. I mean, if you buy something, Chad, no matter what you buy, shouldn't you have an idea of what you're purchasing? I don't buy a shower curtain hoping I'm that. You know what, man, this a duvet. That's not what I bought it for. You have to understand when you purchase something, what exactly am I purchasing? And am I purchasing it for the reasons. So when I'm looking at, I'm like, you're, like you're asking Cat to be something that he's not. Katt has never been a defensive anchor. Cat has never really concerned himself about that end. Because why defense, no matter how great your defense is, more times than not in basketball it's all about the offense. It's all about guys that can shoot the three that can put the ball in the basket at a high clip, not somebody that can block four or five shots a game. Go ahead.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oo now I'm, I'm getting ready to ask. Now we all understand. I'm going to use in football terms, uncle. You, you understand as, as a head coach, Tibs in, in this matter, understand your player strengths and weaknesses. You, you understand that. And I hear all the time when it comes to basketball in this era that they don't play that much defense. No, you understand that Cat is an offensive player. You understand that he's a liability on the defensive end and you got him simply for that very reason. And I don't think he's not a. You didn't get him, you know, for defensive prowess despite him being seven feet tall. You know that's not what he does.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, listen, I ain't.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Where's the issue coming from? And you know, you know what you signed up for.
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Joe Johnson
I ain't saying he gotta be this stopper. He ain't gotta be Go Burr. But he gotta have some interest on the defensive end, fellas. He can't just play offense. Like, to whom much is giving, much is required. It's a lot giving the cat. They want him to step up and play both ends of the floor. Man, you gotta be a presence down there defensively and offensively.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yo, if he done that, you think he gonna snap his fingers and all of a sudden he gonna be a defensive stopper.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, you can give me some interest on that end of the flow. Ocho know the coverage, know what we doing right, you know, be in tune. I ain't saying you got to step up there and block four, five shots a game, but you gotta be in tune with the defensive coverages, talking to the guards because they can't see you. The last line of defense you got, you, you, you the anchor back there, you gotta call out the coverages and all that. Yeah, it's a lot. We ask a lot of the bigs and, and, and it's, it's a tough job, but he's one big who can do it.
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Unknown Host
All right?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You heard what you just said. It's a tough job. You say he's one big that can do it, but he doesn't do it because he understand depending on how much he exerts on the defensive end is going to take away from what he can do on the offensive end.
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Joe Johnson
So we got to get in better shape. We got to get in some shape. We got to get in better shape.
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Unknown Host
Joe, you preaching to the choir. I agree with you.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, he got to get in better shape.
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Unknown Host
In the last five games of the series, a seven foot guy had zero blocks. Let that sink in for just a second. Yes, Chat, you heard me correctly. In games two through six, Cat had zero blocks. So that's five games. So you mean to tell me at seven foot tall, you couldn't block, you couldn't block Nemhard or Nev Smith or somebody or Siakam somebody coming into the paint. Not one person you couldn't get, not one like, hey, get that out of here.
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Joe Johnson
That's what I'm talking about. Just have some.
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Unknown Host
Because at some point in time, you see, defense is all about effort. It's just like blocking for a wide receiver. In the run game, it's all about effort. Blocking, period is about effort. If you don't give, if you don't give a D, it's going to show. You can look at the teams that run the ball. You tell me, A.J. brown, you tell me Devontae Smith, you tell Me, the guys in Baltimore ain't blocking. You don't get those kind of backs running for those kind of yards. If your wide receivers are not blocking, the offensive line job is to get him to the line of scrimmage a lot of times untouched. After that, it is the wide receiver's job to knock people off it, to make sure. Hey, I'm going to make you a pursuer. I'm going to make. Excuse me. The way we did it, Ocho, we made you a chaser, not a pursuer. So you're going to be in a trail position because we've already cut you off from the angle, so you're not pursuing. You're not going to catch him at an angle. You're going to have to chase him down from behind. Go ahead, Ocho.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Got a question, Joe and Unc, y' all know better than I do. What year is Cat in?
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Unknown Host
Cat gotta be in, like, year eight. Cat came out in, what, 16 or 17. So he had a year 11.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
11. 11.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. He going into year 11? Yeah, he just finished year 10.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay. He's going into year 11. So he's played 10 years already. So we've seen a sample size. Enough of a SA size of what type of player Cat is. Yeah, understood what you were getting. Now we going in year 11, and now we complain about him not giving effort and hustle on the defensive end when he's never done it before.
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Unknown Host
But the difference is the problem, and Joe, correct me if I'm wrong, is that when he played with the Timberwolves, they didn't really. They got. That's why they got Rudy, so Rudy could take up. Because they knew Cat wasn't going to be a rim protector. They knew he wasn't going to be a help side defender. So that. That's why they got Rudy. Now you go to. Now you go to the Knicks and you get a Josh Hart, and you got an OG Anunoby, and you got a Mikhail Bridges, bro, we just need you to do a little. We're not asking you to do everything that Elijah Juan did. We're not asking you to be Mark Eaton. We're not asking you to be Big Ben Wallace, bro, but just. Just a little effort. Just care. Just pretend you care.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I agree. I agree. Ocho. I know he. What he in year 11. I'm sure the Knicks brought him in, you know, for. For his offensive paralysis, but defensively, he just got to show more interest on the defensive. Hey, y' all can't tell me Cat can't move his feet stay with guards, block shots. He can do it if he want to. He just chooses not to because. Yeah, you have to exert a lot of energy on that end of the floor and try to save yourself for offense is tough.
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Unknown Host
You know what? But the thing is, they used to make you exert energy to come get that damn check. Now they've made a direct deposit. They made it easy. So now nobody got to take their ass upstairs to go to payroll. No. When I first got to the league, you had to walk your lady's ass upstairs.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Even if it's direct. Pause it, too. Hey, and we gonna open it right there. I need. I need my check over mine right there on the spot. I need to see how much it is. I need to see how much came out, and I need to see what went in.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Cause you know, they got everything itemized, okay. Tickets, you got an extra hotel room. They got all that stuff right there on the joke. Everything like, damn, tickets cost this much. Hey, ain't nobody going to the game no more.
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Joe Johnson
It's different. When you see that paper and you see the minuses on there, you like. Hold on, hold on.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, absolutely. The New York in the regular season defense was almost three points better per hundred possessions with Towns on the bench. That's what I mean. Look, Kat is fabulous. I sat down and talked with him this past summer, last summer, and it was great sitting down and talking to him. And I know he's gone through a lot. You know, he lost his mom to Covid, and, you know, she was in the hospital and he had. And I understand he's great in the community. But, Cat, you got to care more on the defensive end because it's just. It's all about. And you have to understand where I am, it's like a situation. Like, look, there's certain situations, you got to blend in. If I know, hey, when I go to the barbershop, I go in the hood, I ain't all flashy. I got to blend in, right? You go to New York and you know there are defensive team, look at what they have. So you got to blend in. I'm not saying all of a sudden you turn into Rudy Gobert. I'm not saying you turning the Winby, but like Joe said, just care. Just a little. Just a little effort.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I got one more question.
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Unknown Host
What's that?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Next year, in year 11, he changes, loses a little weight, right? And becomes a defensive stopper as well. Then we're going to be complaining about his offensive game falling off and saying he's lost a step or he can't shoot no more or we can't. He can't be down in the block.
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Unknown Host
Why does it have to be. See, they're not mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
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Joe Johnson
Right?
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Why? Are you going to drop off?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean. No, I'm. Listen, something has to give. Joe, you know that if he hasn't done it for this long and then he all of a sudden he goes into year 11. You know what? I'm going to try to give effort on the defensive end and pay attention to it. I'm going to listen to Unc and I'm listening to Joe. You know what's going to suffer him on the offensive end. Would y' all be upset if his offensive play declines?
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Unknown Host
I'm just curious because. No, but here's the thing, though. Ocho, now, he might get some easy baskets now all of a sudden, because guess what? I see you working. What are the co. Hey, what coaches see you doing? Hey, they see you throwing good block for Corey Dillon, now all of a sudden, hey, Ocho. Hey, we got. He played for your Ocho. Now I gotta reward your effort because you gave me effort on one end, which I wasn't expecting. Now I've got to reward you on the end that I expect you to give it to me. So I gotta make sure. Hey, man, let me go get the Ocho. That three quick passes, right quick. Wham, bam, wham, wham. They hit it with that spot. Hit him with the stock route. I'm hitting with that speed out. And I know he want that skinny pole. We call it. It's a skinny. Some people call it a bang eight. Because you take seven stunts and bang. Or you call it a glance because, hey, you throw seven steps and you just glance inside the balls right there. Or we call it the skinny post, Joe. So we just call it a seven step post, right?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Make sure it's low. Now below the numbers, I don't want to hear. I don't want to deal with the.
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Unknown Host
Same two yards outside the numbers.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, okay, okay. I don't want to deal with the.
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Unknown Host
Outside foot outside put back.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, listen, I think if he.
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Unknown Host
If.
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Joe Johnson
I think if he come back in some better shape, he can be elite on both ends. Why he can't be elite on both ends. Oo, it ain't but a few bigs in the NBA that we ain't got but a few. It's only a few.
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Unknown Host
Well, first of all, you got three. You got three. That can really play offense. You got him, you got Embiid, you got Jokic. I'm talking about true bigs. I'm talking about five. I mean, he looks at himself as a stretch five. Ad Obviously, ad But AD Says he's a four. With that being said. So let's just. Let's include ad ad Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokic. Cat, who are your other bigs that can score? Wimby is an out. I mean, Wimby really ain't trying to bang. Wimby ain't trying to post up.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's what I was going to say. Okay. Okay.
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Unknown Host
Yeah. So let. Even if we include Wimby, we got five, really, five bigs that can score, right? So I'm just saying, Ocho, it's not like he. Normally, unless he plays one of those guys, he has an advantage. He's not going against Joel Embiid. And normally, if they're going against Joel Embiid, Mitchell Robinson's gonna be on him, right? Okay. He might have to go. And if he goes against Jokic, Mitchell Robinson's gonna be on him. So with that being said, I'm just saying just a little. I mean, and I get it. Cause it's easy to fall into that trap, Ocho, when you start having success, Joe, on one end of the court, a lot of times you say the hell went the other end. Cause I've been there, started catching a few passes. Man, listen, dab that blocking. Hey, Ocho, I gotta put my face mask in there. My hands, my knuckles getting all beat up. Hey, the hell with that.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, listen, listen. It's like when I was in Phoenix, bro. Look, I did anything to stay on the floor. Uncle Ocho, me to chase, AI I. I chase. AI I. I gotta guard Kobe. I guard Kobe. I gotta guard TMac. Hey, when I got to Atlanta, I started dancing a little bit.
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Unknown Host
Nobody. Oh, I forgot, Joe. We forgot about Shingon from Houston.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Joe Johnson
But it ain't. But it ain't but a handful of bigs. And you mean to tell me, Cat can't be elite, man, Please, let's just.
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Unknown Host
Let's. Let's. Let's round it up. Let's give it a nice round number. Let's just say there are 30 teams there. 15 guys per team, that's 450 guys. Just say we're gonna round it up. We're gonna say 10. There are 10 bigs. Bigs. You mean to tell me, Cat, you can't give me a little more than that? It's not like you playing all 10 of them every night.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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Unknown Host
I can see if it was like. It was like the old. When they first started out. They had eight teams in the NBA when they started out, I think. What. What was that? 47. 57. Like 47. They started. Yeah, I mean, they started out and they only had eight teams. And now you say, well, damn, I gotta big every night, right? It ain't like that.
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Joe Johnson
No, sir. And the game different, too. So it ain't like. It ain't like it's bruised of basketball like it was.
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Unknown Host
Ain't nobody. Ain't no. Ain't nobody doing like what Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, they got the ball and then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Ain't nobody doing that. Ain't nobody backing nobody down like that. Hey, you got beep, beep. Like the sanitation truck.
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Joe Johnson
Beep, beep.
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Unknown Host
So I don't get it. And that's what you try and see. This is what caused me to have. There's some validity to this. Because they try to make light of a situation. Ocho, you know how we do it, Joe, you know how we try to do it? When something ain't going right, we try to make fun. Man, my grandma blocked better than that. You know, we try to make light of a situation.
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Joe Johnson
Right, right, right.
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Unknown Host
Man, hell, my sister would have caught that one. He ain't catch the ball. Yeah, you try to. You try to put humor on it. Then you like, hey, you pulling to the side like, bro, what's going on, man? Man, come on. Hey, Sean, man. Hey, bro. Rod blocking, Ed. Blocking. Hell, I'm blocking. Hell, I like to block. Least I least want to block, right? Cause if I'm blocking, that mean I ain't gonna get out in the rock. We not throwing the ball. Everybody wants to catch passes, but like Mike said that you don't block. Hey, I never forget. Mike came in in 95. I had witnessed 92, 93, 94. So I had gone to three straight Pro Bowls. I was the first team all Pro, led the team and receiving each year. Ocho after that, 95, they tried to trade me. They wanted to trade me to Arizona. They're gonna trade me Mike Pritchard, the number 15 pick for Eric Swan. That's what they wanted. So the trade didn't go through because they wanted a couple of more. So they. They ended up just a. Nah, to hell with it. Mike called me and said. I said, so when I came back for OTAs, he called me. He called Me up to his office. He said, what's on your mind, 84? I said, Mike, I'm not upset that you tried to trade me. I said, I'm upset that you thought you can find somebody better than me. You thought you can win. I said, mike, I'm the best tight end in football. Now I'm gonna show you this year and then I'm gonna make you make a decision. I said, I already know what I can do. Can't nobody see me. I say, for the first time in two years, I'm fully healthy. No off season, ankle surgery. So I go out there, I lead the league. Tight ends, catches, yards, touchdowns, yards per catch. Now come see me. Now come see me. Now come see me. I'm him. I said, mike, you can bring whoever you want to. There is not a tidy in if you brought him in here and could beat me for this job. Not one. Because you got to think about it now. I came, I got drafted as a wide receiver. Yeah, they moved me to tight end. Oh, they move. When they move me to tight end, I'm 215 pounds in the NFL in the 90s. When they run it, when they run into football, it was that pretty stuff they doing.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now you light. You lighting ass.
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Unknown Host
Now I leave. I leave my last game of the season. I weigh in, I weigh in at 207. How many wide receivers right now? 207. Know your playing, dude, Damn near all of them. Damn.
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Joe Johnson
240.
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Unknown Host
They 250. 260. Look at Kelsey. Look how big. Gronk. Look at all the guys. Ain't nobody, right? I said, mike, can't nobody do what I do. But he said, 84, I need you to block. He said, he said, if I just put you in on passing down and I put somebody else in running down, don't you think they're going to be able to key on that? He said, I'm not ask. He said, I'm not asking you to be one of these dominant. I'm not asking you to be what Washington have or what the charges have. He said, I just need you to care. Okay? That's what you need. Got you. Yeah. Go look at TD numbers in 96, in 97 and 98, he went 1530, he went 1750, he went 2008.
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Joe Johnson
Laying in half. You laying in half.
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Unknown Host
Hey, you tell me, hey, you ain't gonna always put me at the point of attack, bro. You ask, what am I supposed to do at 228 with Reggie? What am I supposed to do? With straight hand, Bruce Smith. Come on, man, let's be real.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, hey.
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Tom Yamas
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Joe Johnson
Them boys moving something around, ain't they?
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Unknown Host
Yeah, but look, I got Ocho. I got pride. I do got pride. I ain't gonna just let her whoop my ass all day. But they gonna win more than I go win. Let's just be real. Absolutely. So. But that. And that's Kat. Kat still has three. What, three more years left on a deal that pays him 220 million. Katt can go get another deal. Katt came out how old, Katt? 19. So Kat's about 30 now. Katt could go get him another deal. He could go get him another $300 million deal.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah. All you gotta do is cat. 29, man. Come on.
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Unknown Host
29. Hey, after next year, if Cat come back, say, you know what? I'm gonna give y' all double double. I'm gonna give y' all 2010. I'm gonna give y' all two blocks a game. Watch. They come to Cat, say, hey, Cat, you want this four year extension for like 250? Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
Cause if he. If he got them type of numbers, they gonna be back in the eastern country.
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Unknown Host
They're gonna be right. Be right back. Yeah, because here's the thing. Boston's not gonna be the same. The Boston team that came into the season, this. This past season, that's not. They're not going to be that same team.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Wait, they're not. Are you saying they going. They're going to have a different team, or you just saying they're not going to be the same because Jayson Tatum is not playing?
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Unknown Host
Jason Tatum. I would not be surprised if two or two or three players get traded off that team. I would not be surprised. Absolutely not. Because here's the thing, Ocho. Why am I going to keep it together with no chance of winning a championship? You think I'm going to play that big ass payroll, go to that second apron, a repeater tax? Oh, absolutely not.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, hold on, hold on. I'm just. Just.
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Unknown Host
Are you.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You would know better than me. So you saying Jaylen Brown wouldn't be there?
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Unknown Host
I believe he'll be. I think he. I think he.
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Joe Johnson
Holiday.
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Unknown Host
Holiday. White. Two or three of that combination gonna be there, gonna be gone.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay.
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Unknown Host
I think Przingas might. Pozingas might be the first one to go. He might be the first ball to drop. No, seriously, he might be the first ball to drop. And then like I said, Ocho. Ocho, I ain't got no chance. I'm not winning. Because guess what? You already lost to the Knicks. And you go. You lost to the Knicks with Jason Tatum doing what he doing. How you gonna beat him without him?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, I got you.
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Unknown Host
Okay. The Pacers. The Pacers are not gonna. The Pacers not taking a step back. They got guys, they guys under contract. So let's just say for the sake. Now all of a sudden, we don't know what the Heat's going to do. There going to be moves that's going to be made, but I just don't see the Celtics, the team that came into the season, Jayson Tatum notwithstanding, I don't see that team. I don't see that same team coming back.
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Joe Johnson
I don't either, man. Like I've always said, I think it's going to be some big moves made this summer and it's going to be great for the game. It's going to be great for the games. I'm looking forward to it. But yeah, I do. I agree. I think a couple of them guys are going to be gone this summer, and I'm not sure what Boston's gonna look like next year.
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Unknown Host
Brown, Holiday, Derrick White, pretend we're gonna pull up their salaries and, and, and, and, and what it. And because they're already in that second apron. Yeah, because what, what they wanted to do. The players association said, we don't want no more super teams. And owners say we don't want no more super teams. So we gonna try to make it cost prohibitive. Even if you win in championships. Ocho. I mean, I think they said. Hold on. I think they said in the like the last three years, Golden State has spent half a billion in luxury tax.458 million.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What?
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Unknown Host
Yes.
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Joe Johnson
Well, yes.
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Unknown Host
Now that's on top of Steph Curry, one of the highest paid. That's on top of Draymond making big dollars. So now they took on 60. Jimmy Butler gonna get 60 million a year. So they made it really cost prohibitive. You gotta 20, 25 20, 26 salary. You got Jaylen Brown making 53 million. You got Jayson Tatum making 54 million. You got Holiday making 32 million. You got Porzingis making 30 million. You got Derrick White making 28 million. And then it goes 57 for Jaylen Brown, 58 for Tatum, 34 for Holiday. Porzingis only has one year left, so he's a prime candidate. Cause guess what? His salary coming off the books after next year. So he's prime. He good. He's gone 90%. He gone. Derrick White salary after next year. 30 million. Then he goes 61, 62, 37, 32. Then he goes 64, 67.
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Joe Johnson
They breaking it up, my young boy.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, see, now this gives people a better perspective, you know, let's not want to talk about reality. I don't mean to go away from the game of basketball. That's why. Now I see why them boys get all the pickings. Okay, run them numbers down, huh? When you're making money like that, boy, you get to pick who you want.
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Unknown Host
Boy, you get to shake a stick at it.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Listen, whatever. Whatever you want. What they gonna say no?
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Unknown Host
Yeah. And Jayson Tatum's what, 26, 27. So guess what? In two years. So basically, by the time he come back good and have a good year in 26, 27, they gonna say they gonna want to stand him again for another three. Ocho, he's 27. Depending on how he's not gonna play next year. He just played the first year, so guess what? He'll play. He'll miss 25, 26. Right. He come out and have a good year. 26, 27 with two years left. Hey, we got three years for you.
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Joe Johnson
He gonna come back, right, Ocho?
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Unknown Host
Yeah. Oh, for sure.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
The first part. Hey, if I'm not mistaken, if I read correctly, he had the same doctor do his surgery that did Kevin Durant's surgery, if I'm not mistaken. Neil Ellatross, Dr. Ellatroge, did Kobe's at curling job. I mean, they have like, they. If you a la. If you play in the LA market, you're probably gonna go have the surgery at curling. Joe, be it back. Shoulder, knee, Achilles. They're the best. They did my hips, both of them, and did an unbelievable job. I mean, I was walking unassisted 10 days the first surgery, seven days the second one unassisted. No Walker, no cane. Walking.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What's the name of name of the.
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Unknown Host
Doctor who at curlin job that did Achilles?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, so is. Is he. Does he specialize in only The Achilles or other areas of the body.
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Unknown Host
He does Achilles. They look, they got guys that. All they do is shoulders. They got guys. All they do is hips. They got guys to do knees. They got guys that do Achilles. They got pain. Yeah, that's a. And they good.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You think they can fix my finger?
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Unknown Host
Yeah, but why?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because it won't straighten up. That's. That's how it is. Just like that.
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Unknown Host
Good. Perfect. It's perfect for drinking tea. You want.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, joke. My fingers. My finger don't go down, man. It just stay.
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Unknown Host
Just.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, look, we all lead a game with some war wounds, bro.
- [31:04]
Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
In some form of fashion. You're not getting out of no professional sport thinking you're gonna just walk up, you're gonna be limping about it there some way somehow.
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Unknown Host
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's not. I got lucky. I had. I had no injuries, but it just. It bothered me. My daughter. My daughter. Younger kids be making fun of me. Maddie, what's wrong with your finger? I said, it's not even that bad. He said, straighten it out then. And that's not I can do. And you see.
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Unknown Host
Hey.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, Joe, you ever seen Tori Holt head from playing.
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Unknown Host
Unc?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You seen Tori Holt head?
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [31:34]
Unknown Host
You ever seen Brian Baldingers? His. His. I mean, this finger right here pointing that way.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, that's how Tory's is. Hey, hey, Joe.
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Unknown Host
Tory.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Tory Holt, I think, is this hand. This finger right here. It's like, he can do like this, but the finger's pointing like.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, hey. Lionel Hollands, he used to. He coached us when I was in Brooklyn. Lionel Holland on his left hand. Yeah, it's more point way over here. Yeah. I ain't lying. Yeah. Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Hey, and you know football. You see Ronnie. Ronnie had a pinky. He cut. He cut part of his pinky off at the joint. It's like, you gonna miss some time, be like, cut it off. I don't need it. I don't do nothing with the pinky anyway.
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Joe Johnson
Cut it off.
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Unknown Host
He cut it off. He cut.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He cut it off in the game, didn't he?
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Unknown Host
After the game. Yeah, he was gonna miss some time. He said, just cut it off at the joint.
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Joe Johnson
No, no.
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Unknown Host
Nothing.
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Joe Johnson
Needs mine.
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Unknown Host
And look at Tory. Look at Tory. Holds hands.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Wait, you got it up. Where's that? Where's that?
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Unknown Host
Yeah, on your screen.
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Joe Johnson
You see? Yeah, I see it.
- [32:42]
Unknown Host
Yeah. Munoz has got it. Like, his hands like that, too. You got. You got baldies. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how. I don't know how. Tory Caught the ball.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He said he tape. He would tape.
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Unknown Host
He would take. He tape. He took two of them together.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Tape them together. Yeah.
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Unknown Host
I can't catch like that. I couldn't catch like that. Not catch the two. You know, they. You know, they catch the two. Take the two fingers together like that. I couldn't do it.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
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Unknown Host
No, I'm, you know, lot of offensive lineman tape together because, you know, they in there like that, and the fingers be going all over the place. But I did play with a thumb guard. I got my. This thumb. I got it bent funky, and I had to have a thumb guard on it, but that was all I could do.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, hold on. His hands got like that from catching the ball.
- [33:29]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Just like he got caught. He got caught in his jersey when he was blocking.
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Unknown Host
Oh, look at Baldy. Look at Baldy's pinky.
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Joe Johnson
God. Leave this on. That's how.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know what's funny, huh, Is they have procedures where they can fix it, but they refuse to do it.
- [33:46]
Unknown Host
Oh, it's done too long now. I ain't gonna be. I ain't gonna be. I don't got. Hey, like I said, unless I absolutely gotta have it right? It's fine if you're like that.
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Joe Johnson
Oh, you ain't getting it fixed.
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Unknown Host
You get. Man, look, they put you under. They want to put a catheter in you. I ain't trying to do all that.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, hey. Well, you've been under that knife many times. Hey, you. You. You hang going under that.
- [34:11]
Unknown Host
Look, I had two. I had both my heels repaired. Joe had one and had one in July, and they had the other one in February. And people like, man, your legs done got small. I said, let them cut your hip flexors. Let them cut the muscles into your hip flexors. Let me see how big your legs gonna be. I said. I said, but I ain't in pain no more. I got a. I got a quality of life. I was just. There ain't no quality of life to be in pain. You can't sit, you can't stand. You can't walk. You can't lay down. Yeah, man. The hell with that.
- [34:41]
Joe Johnson
Hey, look, Uncle Ocho, I ain't gonna lie to you. That was another reason why I got so hooked on yoga, hot yoga. Especially because I had elbow surgery. I had three. I had four chipped bones in my elbow. I woke up one morning after we played, and my arm was just stuck right?
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Unknown Host
It was locked. It was locked.
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Joe Johnson
So when I go to the gym, they thought I was playing. I was like, man, I can't extend my arm. So they sent me right to get X rays. I got like four chipped bones in my socket. I had to go be the same elbow surgeon that Iverson used in Alabama. What's his name?
- [35:13]
Unknown Host
James Andrews.
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Joe Johnson
There you go, Andrews. Yeah, I use Andrew, but, yeah, I had that on top of ankle surgery when I was in college. So I done been under the knife a few times, man, I'm like, shh. If it wasn't for yoga to keep my limbs in that mobility, you know? Cause once you lose that mobility, that's when you start to have them injuries.
- [35:33]
Unknown Host
Yeah. Because if I'm not mistaken, I think curling job. I think Dr. Watkins, Big Watkins and Junior is in the curling job. But they got some of the best. They got some of the best. I think Anderson is the foot dog. He out of Charlotte. He do. You know, when it has Liz Franks and stuff like that. Ocho or turf toe, he's the guy that they go see that. Damn lucky. The Athletic is reporting that Thibodeau has the backing of team president Leon Rose and full buy in from Jalen Brunson. But the report also adds that team's governor, James Dolan, will make the final determination about the coaching situation. Changing the coach is one lever Rose and Dolan can pull in hopes of achieving a different outcome. The question is, does that change anything? Okay, we bring somebody else in. Do you think that changes anything, Jeff?
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Joe Johnson
No, I don't. Not if you don't bring different personnel in. You gotta bring some help off, get some depth on that bench.
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Unknown Host
That's what they lacking.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah. Stop worrying. You're starting five out throughout the entire season. Then they get into postseason, it's even more of a grind. So as you can see, when they got later in that series against the Pacers pressing, they just got tired, man. They just. There's only so much they can do.
- [36:52]
Unknown Host
Yep.
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Joe Johnson
They gotta have a couple guys who can come off that bench. And I understand Robinson and the. In the guard and the other little guard, they come off the bench. The guard. They come off the bench.
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Unknown Host
Miles McBride.
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Joe Johnson
Deuce McBride, I like him, too. I like both of them come off the bench. But you need. You need a few more guys.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, you need about two or three of them, though.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I know, man. You gotta find some dudes that's hungry. It's a lot of cats out here hungry. You just gotta find some. Who you think that's ready to play.
- [37:16]
Unknown Host
Yeah. His insistence on playing starters heavy minutes has long drawn the hour of fans and players. In March, Mikhail Bridges, who led the Knicks in minutes at 37 per game, which ranked fourth in the league, voiced his complaints about playing so much. Sometimes is not fun on the body. You want that, that as a coach. But I also talk to him a little bit, knowing that we've got a good enough team where our bench can come in and we don't need to play 48, 47 minutes a night. But that's been his every name of place. Go back and look at Chicago. Look how many minutes Rose played. Look how many minutes Jimmy Butler played. Joe, Kim, Noah. Look at how many minutes they played. Okay, fast forward, go to Minnesota. See how many minutes they played. Okay, fast forward, go to the Knicks. See how many minutes his starters play. You can't play them guys that kind of minute. 38, 39 minutes a night. And then when you get into post season, you know you're going to be.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You.
- [38:12]
Unknown Host
You shorten your bench. Yeah, you gonna be playing them guys 42, 43, 40, 40 to 42, 44 minutes a night. You got an opening round. You got the quarters, the semis. The quarters, the semis, the finals, and then you got the. The NBA Finals. Come on, man.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, it's. It's tough. But, you know, as athletes, man, we get in our own way. A lot of times, ain't none of them dudes gonna be coming over there raising their hand, talking about, I need one.
- [38:37]
Unknown Host
Because you know what? Because money involved. Because I try to get a couple of.
- [38:40]
Joe Johnson
Hey, you mess around taking my. You mess around having me sitting over there too long now, you know what I mean? So I think, I think. But I think in New York, for TF's case, they definitely need. They need some depth. Uncle Ojo. It's going to be hard to win a title, as you can see, you know, especially when it comes down to the nitty gritty. It's going to be hard to win a title against some of these teams nowadays. They taking away the super teams. You're going to have to have some guys that's hungry and aren't scared of the moment.
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Unknown Host
Look at. Okay, OKC Thunder. Depth. Any other Pacers?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Crazy depth.
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Unknown Host
Boston. What they wanted last year? What'd they have? Depth. You see what you have? Okay, yeah, you basically, okay, give me a superstar. Give me another guy. Let's say I give you a superstar, Joe, and then I got you a guy. He's not a superstar, but he's a star. He's an all star, and he's right there on the Cusp of being an all NBA selection. Then I'm a surrounded with two, three quality guys. And then I'm gonna have two, three quality guys coming off the bench. That's Caruso, that's Wallace, that's Wiggins. Now you got J Dub. All NBA third team. Made the all Star for the first time. I got a superstar in MVP and Shay. I got quality bigs and role players in Chet and Hartenstein. Ta da. Now go look at the Pacers. Look at what they got. They don't have a superstar. I believe they have two star players with Siakam and Halliburton. And you got guys that understand. You get Nemhard, you got Miles Turner, you got Neesmith. Now coming off the bench. I got Matburn, see, I got T.J. mcConnell, I got Obie Toppin. And then you get something you got points you didn't expect. TB Thomas Bryant gave you 10 big points. Three or four from the three point line, gave you a block shot. Two or two from the free throw line. You see, that's how you're gonna have to win going going forward. They made it so cost prohibitive for you to try to stack with three all. Because you see what happens. You get three all stars and superstars and you ain't got no no. Yeah, but when you trade for these guys, you better understand what you trading for. Cause Phoenix, y' all traded for Bradley Beal. The man was averaging 30 and you expect him to come in now, be a defensive stopper, to be the third option, to be a role player. He ain't gonna go for.
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Joe Johnson
Ain't so you gotta get guys, obviously, you gotta get guys who are gonna buy in. You talking about the Okcs and Indiana's?
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Tom Yamas
Yes.
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Joe Johnson
Everybody on those teams, they know their job, they know they roles and they gonna star in it. They not gonna do nothing outside. They ain't got no business doing. This is why this is gonna make. It's gonna make for a great Finals because this is. This is two teams that we have that are very disciplined and they understand how to win and they play together, they play hard. It's gonna be a good series.
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Unknown Host
I'm gonna play my role as long as I can. And then when somebody come along and the team that I'm on, they can't afford me, I'm gonna go somewhere else and make big money. But if I can win me a ring or two while I'm here. Yeah, playing on, you know, whatever I'm making 10 million, 12 million, 14 million, whatever the case may be. And then somebody come in and want to drop 2530 on me.
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Joe Johnson
There you go.
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Unknown Host
I'm gone.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, guys, if I played, if I played in the NBA, I would have been like, I would have been one of them, one of them 325, 350 type dudes. You would be what, what them dudes get when I'm, when I'm there? 4 year, 3 and 50, 345, 350.
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Unknown Host
Or you be a super max, huh?
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Joe Johnson
Oh, easy, easy.
- [42:29]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, Joe. I would have been supermax on entertainment alone. Forget, forget, forget the player on the court.
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Joe Johnson
Look at, hey, they gonna have to max you out, no question.
- [42:40]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, they would have maxed me out yet too. Yeah, catch me.
- [42:46]
Unknown Host
They gonna back you out. So they gonna back you out of the rookie contract, huh?
- [42:49]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They damn near my boy. I ain't buying. I ain't playing.
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Tom Yamas
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Unknown Host
TV execs they don't care about the NBA Finals ratings According to USA Today, the 2024 NBA Finals featured a matchup between the Boston Celtics, the league second most recognizable franchise, and the Dallas Mavericks, who hail from the fourth largest metropolitan area in the United States. It averaged 11.3 million viewers per game. The chances are the 2025 NBA Finals, featuring two decidedly smaller markets, Oklahoma City Thunder and the Indiana Pacers, may likely have fewer viewers. According to the Athletic, the league doesn't care much about how many people actually watch because the NBA's extremely new TV contracts with ESPN, NBC and Amazon are already set in stone, which means the most important revenue is generated regardless of what happens in the NBA Finals. There's really no direct impact between ratings and financial success, certainly in the near in the near term. But if you have bad ratings for the next decade, then that limits your TV rights deal. But I don't think anyone in the NBA is worried about that right now because the revenue for TV are guaranteed. The NBA is not hooked on for anything other than long time TV executive said. This is the network's problem. Does everyone want Knicks, Lakers, Finals Sure. But here's the thing, Ojo. When you pay big money, the advertisers, that's how you recoup your money. That's why Football Joe, for the Two Ball commercials, they have 250.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
They get $7 million every 30 seconds. Now, if I got a bad matchup. Nah, bro, I ain't gonna be able to do that one. Hey, he'll be. Cause I got. I gotta recoup something. I just. What they signed. 11 years, 77 billion.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [45:25]
Unknown Host
11 years, 77 billion. Now, I shelled that out. Yo, I gotta get some of that back. Yeah, yeah. I gotta get some of that back.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm not sure what it.
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Unknown Host
My bad. I said I gave. I gave him too much. I gave him a billion too much. 11 years, 76 billion. Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't know what executive. What executive said this, that having two small market teams in the finals doesn't matter based on, you know, the ratings. I mean, come on now. Come on now.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, it affects everything. Cause people not gonna. First of all, people, People. Not really. There's not like they're watching basketball and droves as it is. Yeah. At least they want the Knicks, they want the Lakers, they want Celtics. They want things that they recognize because a lot of people are not, Are not like we watch it because that's what we do. A lot of times people are just casual. Who's playing who. Oklahoma City, got a team. I mean, that's what people. That's what people are asking. I mean, if you, if you are, if you're a basketball fan, obviously you know that, you know who Shea is. But there are a lot of people that just sit down and maybe the only time that they watch it is going to be this because people are not sitting around watching. Look, I promise you, if Jacksonville and Who's a small market NFC team? Jacksonville, Seattle. Who's a small market NFC team? Oh, Jacksonville, Carolina. You don't. Hey, you don't think the TV like, whoa, God dang. Tampa Bay, come on now. You want big markets or you want big names? I would like to have them both. You know what I'm saying? The Lakers. When? The Lakers and Celtics. I got Ladbird, I got Magic Johnson, I got Kareem. I got Mikhail, I got Worthy, I got Parish. Oh, look at the coaches. Pat Riley, K.C. jones, Bill Fitch. Them, them, them.
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Joe Johnson
Historic.
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Unknown Host
Them.
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Joe Johnson
Historic. Star power across the board.
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Unknown Host
Or you got LeBron. Now, if you got. Think about it. You got a small market, but you got LeBron and you got Sheff. Steph. Now you Got Steph Curry and you got Kevin Durant.
- [47:48]
Joe Johnson
Hey, look, I understand. I understand all that. I understand what you and Ocho saying, but I do think this is going to be an interesting finals, though. Like, I'm very intrigued on how this is going to go. Obviously, I got my pick, but, man, the way these teams have played throughout this post season, especially Indiana being an underdog in every all three rounds. Yeah. I mean, how many times we gonna keep counting them out?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And the funny thing about it, I think about it, for people that aren't really basketball fans, I think there's nothing that is going to be able to pull the viewer who doesn't watch basketball based on the team that are in the finals. Who's the draw outside of SGA if you're not a basketball fan? Now, people that love the game of basketball, Joe, Unc, you know, obviously me, we gonna.
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Unknown Host
We gonna.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We tune it in. We watch.
- [48:44]
Unknown Host
Yeah, we gonna watch regardless.
- [48:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, we're gonna watch regardless. But you know.
- [48:47]
Unknown Host
Cause we fans of the game. But everybody's not a die hard, though, Ocho, what you're saying every. Not a die hard.
- [48:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now, if. If the Celtics was playing or the Knicks are playing, hell, it could be somebody don't even watch basketball. Oh, yeah, I know about the goddamn Knicks. I can relate to you. No, even though I don't watch the game, I'm f. To tune in just because.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [49:06]
Unknown Host
Shaq says he. He thinks all markets are the same in the NBA, social media is the market now. Not every market is the same. Nobody cares what city you're in anymore. This ain't the 90s. I don't know if I agree with that.
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Joe Johnson
Well, I think he's saying because of social media, the world is a lot smaller. Meaning it's not many moments that you're gonna miss. I don't care what.
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Unknown Host
Oh, no, yeah, yeah.
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Joe Johnson
You gonna catch every moment. As opposed to back in the 90s, you know, if you weren't watching the game, then you missed it. You missed it.
- [49:36]
Unknown Host
Yeah. You know, but the problem is, though, Joe and Ocho, I think, is that when you look at it, if the two teams look at. Let's just say for the sake of argument, this wasn't the NBA finals on a Tuesday night. You watching Indiana and OKC now? I'm gonna give you that same Tuesday night. I'm gonna give you Boston. I'm gonna give you Boston and the Lakers. Are you watching? I give you. I'll get. I tell you what I. What else I do. I give you the Knicks In Golden State. You're watching. So Marcus do matter. They do.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. And listen, outside of Marcus, the players playing.
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Unknown Host
Absolutely, that's. But see, that's a. Because here's the thing. That's a superstar driven league. That's why you want one and that's why you get him. That's why everybody was shocked. Man, y' all got Lucas. Y' all traded him. He 25. He about to be. He turned 26 in two months. Cause that. They don't come along very often. You're very. You're very. You're very, very lucky. If you get a guy and he turns into Luka, you get a LeBron James. You do you, boy. You move heaven and earth to keep him. You get a Steph Curry, you get a Jordan, you get a Magic, a Steph Curry. Kevin Durant. Hey, if I get a Shaq, Kobe, man, I ain't giving them up. Nah, y' all going down the vine here. Nah, hell no. That's why when the teams get a quarterback, Ocho, quarterbacks has always been the position that they had the best chance of finishing out the their career with.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
One team, especially if you get you a good one, because you understand how hard they are to come by. And hell, the casual fan can see that when you wonder why certain teams don't have success and they have a merry go, a merry go round of quarterbacks every two to three years. Now you see why.
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Unknown Host
Sean's released a tweet today that announced the Utah Jazz are hiring Boston Celtics assistant general manager Austin A as the franchise's president of basketball operations. Huh? What's this thing called? What does it start with an N? Oh. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad. Forces tell me that him and Tim Botemps. Is that how you say his name? Bon temps. Bon talks. Ainge has spent the past 14 years working in Boston front office, including the last six of his current general role. Danny Ainge is currently the CEO of the Jazz. The Internet actor reacted accordingly. No mention of who his father is. Huh? Good point.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, which I thought this was.
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Unknown Host
Y' all thought we were playing.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, y' all thought. Y' all thought. Y' all thought they play pippin over there. They not playing, man.
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Unknown Host
They do. Look, look how many. Look how many coaches hired their sons, Ocho and I don't know if. I don't know how often. Well, hell, Rick Adelman's son, Dave Adelman, he's the coacher, what you call him, But I guess his dad didn't have no. Ain't have no Pull. They ain't help him get nothing. Yeah, we quick. We quick to do that. We. But we're. Nah, man. I want you to get it out the mud, huh? Nah. I laid asphalt down for. You can walk comfortably. But you see. But. But ain't nobody. Ain't nobody said nothing. Ain't nobody said a word. Ain't nobody said nothing about no nepotism. Ain't nobody say nothing. And he mentioned. Sean mentioned that.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, no uproar.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, I can't lie. Say I ain't thinking.
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Unknown Host
Hold on, Sean. Utah Jazz are hiring Boston Celtics assistant general manager at Austin age. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. When they mentioned Bronnie, they say he's the son of great laker. The great LeBron James. If I didn't know better, why y' all ain't putting in son of us? That what y' all do with LeBron. Y' all mentioned. Y' all mention so now. Oh, that's the wife of LeBron James. But damn. Bryce. Bryce going to Arizona. LeBron James, the youngest son. Bryce James chooses everything.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, look. Yeah, I know how this thing go.
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Unknown Host
I wish my kids wanted to be in media. They damn sure have a podcast. Damn sure would.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
I mean, if I knew somebody, if they. Hey, I don't. In the profession in the field that they're in. I don't really know anybody in that profession, but if I did, I. Absolutely. Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah. That's pretty much in anything that you do. It's just like these owners, man. They had their kids working. They see, you know, they gonna take right after them.
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Unknown Host
Exactly.
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Joe Johnson
Your son and your daughter probably gonna play tennis.
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Unknown Host
I think I read 80% of the jobs that get filled are never advertised. The word of mouth. Hey, man. Hey, Joe, we hired over here, man. You oughta. You ought to put it to you. You ought to fill the application. I put a word in for you. Hey, Ocho, man, I heard they hiring down there such and such, man. You ought to put your name. Hey, my boy over there, he'll put a word in for you. Boom. No application filled out. Word of mouth.
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Joe Johnson
Word of mouth, yeah.
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Unknown Host
That's still the fastest way to get information out. Word about.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, I gotta get in the three.
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Unknown Host
Fastest ways to get information, Ocho, man. One, man, television. That's. Those are three quickest ways to get information out, man. And woman will definitely get it out for you. Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The funny thing about it is, is we could get information out much quicker now to the world by hitting the Send button. That's the. That sin button is powerful.
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Unknown Host
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, Ocho. Hey, Joe, man, what's going on, man? I ain't gotta pick the hit no scene. I just pick up a phone call.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
Hey, man. Hey, Joe. They hired. Not him, man. That's a good job, man. They. They. I think. I think they start you off at like 125, 150. Really? Yeah, man. Hey, man, look, I've been here, like, seven years, man. I'm cool with the boss, man. I'll put a word in for you now. Yeah, he like me.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, speaking of that, I know you got a little connection, you know, I got a little connection with the Atlanta house. I see. Did they hire their GM yet?
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Unknown Host
I don't think so. Alexis said no mention of who his father is. We only care about nepotism when it applies to LeBron and Bronnie, right? Okay. Lakers central said y' all gonna cry nepotism or only when it's LeBron? So Danny Ainge just been taking his son everywhere he go. Now, that's nepotism, y' all. Y' all really true.
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Joe Johnson
Teaching the ropes. I honestly don't see that.
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Unknown Host
What are the qualifications?
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah.
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Unknown Host
How did he get there for 14 years? So let me ask you a question. He only been with Danny Hillson.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So where was.
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Unknown Host
Where was he before he left and went to Utah? Where was he, if you don't mind me asking, where was Danny Ainge before he left and went to Utah?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Go ahead.
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Unknown Host
I got a little time tonight. Chat. Cause, you know, Ocho said he took a nap today. I took me a nap today, too.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
So I just want a chat. So what the chat saying? So I just want to know where he started at.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, he was in Boston shadowing his daddy.
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Unknown Host
Oh. Oh, really? So you mean to tell.
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Joe Johnson
Hold on.
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Unknown Host
So how'd he get a job? So did he. Did he interview? Did he fill out an application? I just want to know. Oh.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, okay.
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Unknown Host
Interesting.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, he didn't have to fill out an application this time.
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Unknown Host
Come on, Chad. Y' all better. Come on. That's. Pick it up. I need y' all. I need y' all to come to chime in comment. I need y' all to tell me where Austin son of Danny angel was before he got this job in Utah. What organization was he in? And if you don't mind me asking, was there someone that was connected to him at this organization that he's leaving? You know what I want to look up? I want to look up the definition of Nepotism. Because maybe I got a Ocho, baby. I got a different understanding of what nepotism is.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You got the right one. You got the right one. It just is really quiet. Depending on who's doing it or taking.
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Unknown Host
Advantage of this, it says the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives, friends or associates, especially by giving them a job. Say, what is the example of nepotism? A common example is a CEO hiring their niece for a manager position despite the niece having less experience than other applicants. Hiring or promoting unqualified family members. A manager promotes their sibling or to a supervisory role despite the poor performance record, while other more qualified employees get passed over. So I guess, you know, Danny hired the most qualified guy he could find. The most qualified guy he could find.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Thanks. Keep that money rolling.
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Unknown Host
So you know what? Us, we gotta stop feeling. Feeling bad. When we can put. When we can put on. Let's put on every time. Now, I want y' all guys to come now. Look, don't you come now. Cause just like I put your ass in, I put your ass out. I'm gonna need you to do the job now.
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Joe Johnson
Absolutely.
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Unknown Host
I'm gonna need you to do the job. But. Yeah, we gotta stop this. We gotta stop this. Cause this is. I don't know how prominent it is, Joe, in the NBA, but Ocho, you know, it's very prominent. Yeah, in the NFL.
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Joe Johnson
Absolutely.
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Unknown Host
How did. Look at. Look at Kyle Shanahan's coaching tree. Go look at McDonnell. Go look at Sean McVeigh. Look at LaFleur. Look at McDaniel in Miami. O' Connell, go look at the guys and see how many of them work for. They all got Kyle. I tell you what, go back and look at what that 2012 pull up Mike Shanahan's coaching tree in 2012 at Washington. Check this out. Ocho. Watch this, Ocho.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Unknown Host
So you will find some. See how many of these guys are actually head coaches now. Now, his offensive coordinator was Kyle Shanahan, his son, what was Sean McVeigh. No, I'm. I just want to staff from Washington. Hold on just a second, guys. It's gonna be offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan. Raheem Morris was defensive back coach. Madeline Flu was quarterback coach. What was Sean McVeigh? Sean McVeigh was tight end coach. Mike McDaniel offensive assistance. Now, we go back when they won the super bowl, Who was Sean McVay's defensive coordinator? Raheem Morris. Go back and look at Sean McVay and look at Matt LaFleur. Zach Taylor. See how they spread it out? Yeah. I ain't got no problem with it, but if we do something like that, we feel bad.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Are we complaining about it?
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Unknown Host
Like I said, I wish my kids wanted to do something in media or want to do something in culture. Think I wouldn't call up Kyle? I absolutely would. Yep. Call it McDaniel and what you call him too. Yeah. Yep, sure would. They don't want to do nothing, so.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'm g. To go. I should go on. Damn. I should.
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Unknown Host
They don't want to do anything.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I'd be a good.
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Unknown Host
My kid's not going to tell you who. Who their dad is unless you like. You got to know. You got to know if you. They not volunteering it.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, I think I. You think I should get into coaching?
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Unknown Host
You don't want them hours, huh? You don't want them hours?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, not. Not full time. Like we think about me coaching part.
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Unknown Host
Ain't no coaching. Coaching is full time. Ain't no part time coaching full time. It ain't no part time in the NFL, Lo. It's full time.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, I mean, we talk. We talk about nepotism right now. And being that I'm part of the Brown family, I'm sure they would allow me to do part time. Assistant receivers coach.
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Unknown Host
Hey, go ask.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
If I was to ask, you know, they would say, yeah, you know that, right?
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Unknown Host
Hey, that's why I don't ask. Because I'm afraid they gonna say, yeah. That's why he asked Mike.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Definitely. Definitely.
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Unknown Host
Because first thing I'm gonna say, Joe, I'm just playing. Cause Mr. Boland, every time he saw me, he's like, you know, hey, whatever you want to do, if you want to, right? I said, no, Mr. Ball, I'm done.
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Joe Johnson
Hey, hey, hey. Them coaches be putting in some mean hours, boy.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, you gotta. I already know. You ain't got to tell me. I remember.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, listen. Hey, I'm talking. I done seen it.
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Unknown Host
No, I don't want no part of that. Because I know. I know from like 90s when I, when I coach, when we were winning, we were at our apex for that, that stretch. Like 96, 97, 98. We went back to. We went back to back Super Bowls and we. We won the division twice, right? Ocho, they putting $100 a week in.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, they ain't playing, bro.
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Unknown Host
90 to 100 hours a week. Now. Think about how many. How many hours in a seven day week.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I done seen Hugh and Marvin and coach Bob Burkowski. I'd have seen the Blankets and the pillows, air mattresses. The game. The game. They listen. The game plan. The get putting up the. What do you call it? The.
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Joe Johnson
The.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
When you playing the team that week? What you call cards?
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Unknown Host
Oh, they. They. The cutoffs. They're doing that on the plane. They're breaking that down on the plane, man.
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Joe Johnson
I'm talking. Hey, eyes be red as I don't.
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Unknown Host
Know what on this plane.
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Joe Johnson
Trying to stay up.
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Unknown Host
They land. They land. We land. They go straight and, you know, back. Because obviously after 9, 11, nobody could drive to the airport anymore, right? So everybody going back to. Going back to the facility complex.
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Joe Johnson
They going upstairs, man, listen, hey, they.
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Unknown Host
Go upstairs, hit that thing. They there all day. Monday, they go home, see their wife for a couple hours. The kids, they back there again. Tuesday night, Wednesday night. Thursday, they get to go home. Thursday, they get to go home at a decent time. They get to go home. Thursday, like 9.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, but Tuesday, you know, they there all day Tuesday to make sure everything ready for Wednesday's practice and meetings.
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Unknown Host
Monday night. No, Sunday night. Monday night, Tuesday night and Wednesday. You there? You there? No, I don't want no part of that. Ocho Ojo email. Go ahead, Joe. What you want to say?
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Joe Johnson
I'm just gonna say, in basketball, they breaking down film every day, different teams. Cause we playing back to back.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's right. That's right.
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Joe Johnson
It's a lot, man. I haven't seen it. I done witnessed it.
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Unknown Host
The volume.
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Unknown Host
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