Nightcap Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, and Iso Joe react to Titans-Falcons + Howie Roseman speaks on not drafting Justin Jefferson

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1

Episode Summary – August 16, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe with Chad Johnson (Ochocinco) & Joe Johnson (Iso Joe)

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Overview

This lively episode of Club Shay Shay's "Nightcap" brings together Shannon Sharpe, Chad "OchoCinco" Johnson, and Joe "Iso Joe" Johnson to break down the Titans vs. Falcons preseason game, dissect Howie Roseman’s comments about not drafting Justin Jefferson, and riff on everything from the evolution of preseason play to the merits of combine testing and the role of speed in the NFL. The crew also debates the highest-paid NFL quarterbacks, player contracts in football and basketball, and even wrap up with playful trash-talking over billiards and ping pong.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Titans vs. Falcons Preseason Takeaways ([05:43]–[14:53])

• Cam Ward’s Performance
  • Chad Johnson praises Cam Ward, noting drops hurt his stat line:
    "Continuation of what he did the first piece in the game. Obviously he was only 2 for 7, but there was a drop Van Jefferson on that over route that he should have had... a beautiful throw. ...For a professional receiver, it's a very catchable ball and it was a dime." ([05:43]–[06:03])
  • Joe Johnson focuses on Ward's calmness:
    "What I'm watching is his poise and patience in the pocket, him not getting rattled and he making the right reads... They look like they're in for a pretty good season." ([06:24])
  • Shannon Sharpe emphasizes the importance of WRs making tough catches:
    "As a professional, a guy that's getting paid to catch the football, those are the type... you pay to make the difficult ones..." ([07:21])
  • All agree: preseason can be misleading due to "vanilla" defenses and less physical intensity.
  • Debate over advantages/disadvantages of limited preseason reps; Ocho wants more, Sharpe describes how game-prep differs from practice:
    "Practice ain't the game... come game time, your pads are taped down now, they feel tighter." ([09:46]–[10:50])

2. The "Howie Roseman and Justin Jefferson" Draft Debate ([17:04]–[31:20])

• Howie Roseman’s Regret

  • Shannon Sharpe summarizes Howie’s comments:
    "Don’t overthink things. When you're staring at a good player, just take them. Not drafting JJ still haunts him." ([17:04])
  • Sharpe on draft mistakes:
    "He got in awe of all the jumping high and running fast and he overlooked the production that JJ Jetta gave him on the field." ([17:23])
  • Chad Johnson:
    "Actually, it's not a mistake because let's say you did go get Jetta's. You might not have the Super Bowls that you have..." ([19:46])
  • Joe Johnson on combine obsession:
    "Do you think they put too much emphasis on like the testing the combine when it comes to football?... Some guys who will not test well... But when you put them in between the lines, the big lights come on, they just know how to play, bro." ([21:05])
  • Ochocinco warns that raw athleticism can create 'project' players who might not develop technique.

• Value of Speed vs. Football Skills

  • Discussion on what football evaluators chase:
    • Sharpe: “Have you ever heard anybody say size kills? ...What do they say kills, Ocho? …Speed. I can't teach you that.” ([23:19])
    • Critique of valuing 40-yard dash over tape, with references to John Ross, Tyreek Hill, Xavier Worthy.

• Hall of Fame Example

  • Sharpe:
    "Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the Hall... but he had football speed. ...Can you play the game of football?" ([30:48]–[31:22])

3. NFL Contracts & Quarterback Pay ([34:32]–[41:44])

• Highest-Paid QBs, No Rings

  • Sharpe lists the top-earning quarterbacks, none of whom have won a Super Bowl:
    "Top 10 highest-paid NFL players have a combined zero Super Bowl wins. Number one, Dak Prescott at $60 million..." ([34:32])
  • Discussion about Patrick Mahomes taking less money to prioritize winning and team retention, following the "Tom Brady model."
  • Sharpe:
    "It's not my job. I'm not a capologist. You told me to play. I'mma play." ([36:52])

• QB Pay Justification

  • Ocho:
    "They give their team the best chance to win despite not having success or the Super Bowls..." ([37:55])

4. Super Bowl Contention: Who Really Has a Shot? ([39:16]–[44:54])

• Group discusses how only a select few teams have a real shot, listing the annual favorites (Chiefs, Ravens, Eagles, Bengals, Rams, etc.), and insists championship scarcity increases value.
• Debate over great NFL defenses—2000 Ravens vs. Legion of Boom:
  • Chad:
    "Legion of Boom was good. They was nice. Now they was nice..." ([43:22])
  • Sharpe:
    "That's a transcendent... historically great defense. When you go back and look at the numbers... 190 points the entire season." ([44:28])
  • Joe Johnson compares Ravens' defense to the 2004 Detroit Pistons' domination of Shaq/Kobe Lakers.

5. Player Contracts – NFL vs NBA; Wide Receiver Holdouts ([52:29]–[57:56])

• Terry McLaurin Contract Situation

  • Sharpe:
    "He wants to be DK (Metcalf). He wants to be north of 33. ...We need him out there, and that's what Cliff is saying. We need to get Jelly, all this what we can be. We need guys on the field." ([53:53])
  • Comparison with NBA standard contracts—Joe Johnson explains how holdouts are rare in the NBA, max contracts are routine.
  • Sharpe:
    "The top players go get the top players getting the max, no matter what..." ([55:15])

• Atlanta Hawks Outlook

  • Joe predicts Hawks as a top-five Eastern Conference team, prompting good-natured ribbing from Chad about the Miami Heat. ([57:01]–[58:54])

6. QB Health, Preseason Injuries, and "Old School Remedies" ([59:24]–[64:48])

• Quick hits on Browns rookie QB Dylan Gabriel's hamstring and Shadur Sanders' injury status.

• Johnson lampoons the rash of preseason hamstring injuries and pitches his own “PowerPoint” for NFL teams on staying healthy:
  "I managed to do it for 11 years with no injuries. None, Zero, Zilch. Not a pull, not a strain, not a nothing. So obviously I did something right..." ([61:13]–[61:26])

• Ocho prescribes a questionable home remedy for strains: "Get you some Vicks vapor rub... candle wax. ...It's gonna sizzle. ...That mixture... pulls all that swelling out right up out of there. ..." ([63:00])

• Discussion of quarterback physique—do they need abs or strong arms?

  • Sharpe:
    "They don't want no tight shoulders. They don't want no biceps. ...You got to be fluid." ([64:48])

7. Trash Talk: Pool, Ping Pong, and Streaming Ideas ([65:35]–[76:21])

• Group trades boasts about skills in pool, bowling, ping pong, and dominoes.
• Ocho:
  "There are three things in life you might be able to be. ...But when it comes to ping pong, pool, and bowling, please stay within your lane." ([69:15])
• Plans for an "Adventures of Unc, Joe, and Ocho" streaming show featuring traditional games, competitive banter, and “grown folks” fun.
  • "Because the older folks, we don't have nothing. Nobody's tapped into that space." ([74:46])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Wide Receiver Drops:
  "A professional wide receiver. Got to make that catch. Now, if you're in high school, you don't make that catch. Okay, fine, bro. ...But as a professional, a guy that's getting paid to catch the football... that's what you paid for." —Shannon Sharpe ([07:21])
• On Combine Hype:
  "He got enamored by 4,3, 4, sub 4, 4. He got. And he got enamored by 40 plus inch vertical. He got enamored by things that doesn’t necessarily equate to being a great [player]." —Shannon Sharpe ([17:23])
• On Preseason Reps:
  "I need these reps. …I wanted my body to get accustomed to that as fast as possible before week one came along." —Chad Johnson ([08:53])
• On Drafting Philosophy:
  "If I don't see it on tape, I don't believe it. …Trust my eyes." —Ozzie Newsome quote relayed by Sharpe ([17:23])
• On Contract Scarcity & Titles:
  "If everybody won a championship, what's the fun in that? ...there certain zip codes... everybody shouldn't have access... what's the point Ocho, if everybody win a Super Bowl?" —Shannon Sharpe ([38:43])
• On Great Defenses:
  "There are very few defenses that you're going to face that has no weakness on all three levels. There was no weakness." —Chad Johnson on the 2000 Ravens ([43:29])
• On Player Health:
  "NFL is protecting the players now more today than ever. ...I managed to do it for 11 years with no injuries. None, Zero, Zilch." —Chad Johnson ([61:20])
• On Trash Talk & Streaming:
  "There are three things I don't leave home without. My credit cards, my car keys, and my pool stick. It's always in the car." —Chad Johnson ([74:08])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Titans-Falcons Preseason + Cam Ward: [05:43]–[14:53]
• Howie Roseman/Justin Jefferson, Combine, and Speed: [17:04]–[31:20]
• Highest Paid QB Discussion: [34:32]–[41:44]
• Contenders/Defensive Debates: [39:16]–[44:54]
• NFL/NBA Contracts, Hawks vs. Heat: [52:29]–[58:54]
• QB Health & Old School Remedies: [59:24]–[64:48]
• Pool, Ping Pong, and Streaming Bantz: [65:35]–[76:21]

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Tone & Style

• Language: Conversational, humorous, candid—filled with storytelling, analogies, and friendly jabs.
• Energy: Animated and fast-moving, with expert insights and plenty of nostalgic references.

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For those who missed the episode, this summary captures analysis, debate, humor, and chemistry of three sports icons riffing on preseason football, draft dynamics, the business of sports, and the timeless fun of competition.

Transcript

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

A continuation of what he did the first piece in the game. Obviously he was only 2 for 7, but there was a drop Van Jefferson on that over route that he should have had. That was a, that was a beautiful throw. I've seen a, see a lot of people in the comments when I mentioned the throw being that it was overthrown, I'm like, what are you talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

For a professional receiver, it's a very.

[Chad Johnson]

Catchable ball and it was a dime. Outside of that, a few drops. He had a few drops. Other than that, it was good. It was good. People will look at the stat line and say it doesn't look the same as opposed to how he did in the first game, but still he was the same calm poise, in control of everything and, and he made good decisions with the ball.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I, I agree, I agree with you, Ocho. My thing, what I'm watching is his, his, his poise and patience in the pocket, him not getting rattled and he making the right reads on Ocho. That's. I think that's the biggest key. You know, I sit back and watch these young guys come into this league, this grown man league, just to see how they adapt and how they are in the pocket, whether it's, you know, Cam water should do. I enjoy watching those guys play, man. They look like, they look like they're in for a pretty good season.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. But I will say too, Anga Joe, what we will be having to be cautious about is it is preseason. These defenses are very, very vanilla and the quarterbacks haven't got hit yet. I know that rookie. No, they look polished, you know, based on what we've seen so far. But when you get hit upside the head a few times, you know, and you get them jitters a little bit, will they still be able to have that same calmness, that same relax, that same poise under pressure when you've been hit or sacked a couple times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can play fast but not in a hurry. I think the Thing is, is that you have more time than you think. And a lot of times when rookies come in, they speed, they, they speed themselves up. And it's normally the second year. Joe and Ocho, you heard people say this all the time. All of a sudden, the game slowed down for me. And that's what you want to have happen. You want the game to slow down. You don't want the game to speed you up. Play fast, but don't play in a hurry. I like Cam Ward's poor. I agree with you, Joe. I like his poise. I thought he was very deliberate. Yeah, he had some very unfortunate situation where the guy dropped the ball. A professional wide receiver. Got to make that catch. Now, if you're in high school, you don't make that catch. Okay, fine, bro. You a. But as a professional, a guy that's getting paid to catch the football, those are the type of. That's what you paid for. Yeah, that's what you pay for. You, you pay, you know, to make the, to make the difficult ones. I mean, hey, you're going to make the routine, you got to make enough of the routine ones. But every once in a while you got to come down with a, you know, you got to, you got to help your quarterback out. He's not going to always be able to hit you between the numbers. And so now this is your opportunity to help him out. But I like what I saw from Cam Ward. I really did. Atlanta fell behind, but, you know, Austin Easton, Easton stick. He came in and threw the ball. Cause, you know, Pennix Jr. Didn't play at all. That's the only thing to Ocho, I was like, damn, they don't let these guys play at all. And so when he, I mean, Ocho, I couldn't even imagine. Could you imagine standing on the sideline the first, second preseason game, Ocho, and not even dressed out?

[Chad Johnson]

You know how I am. You've heard enough stories about how I was. I'm practicing. I'm. Excuse me, not practicing. I'm playing in the preseason. I don't care. I. I do not care, Joe. I had, I had my coach. Every preseason game I had. I forced Coach Lewis to call timeouts in the preseason, Joe. Just to get me out the game, man, I need these reps. I need to get acclimated to game speed. Game speed. I don't care. If you could practice 100 times, Joe, we could practice 100 times. It's different. And I wanted my body, I wanted my body to get accustomed to that as fast as Possible before week one came along.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, because you know why, Ocho?

[Joe Johnson]

I think.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead, Joe, go ahead, make your point.

[Joe Johnson]

A lot of the guys, especially top guys who don't really play a lot in the preseason, okay, Ocho, is it because they take all the rips and snaps in practice and they don't want to overload them into the game?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? We don't. We normally, we normally break it down, Joe. We normally have 50 to 60 plays, practices scripted. And of those 10 plays, so we go. I don't know how y' all did, Ocho, but we did 10 plays. The starters, the starters would probably take six to seven of those snaps. Now, maybe there's a maybe, maybe a repeat, something didn't go well. And Mike would say, okay, I want to see that again with the starters. But you're going to take at least seven of the starters, going to take at least, at bare minimum, seven of those reps, and then the other three will get divided up and. Okay, fine, but. So you're going to get the lion's share of the republic. The reason why it's different, Ocho, is because you gotta realize come game time, your pads are taped down now, they feel tighter. A lot of guys got all their pads in their pants. They're gonna feel tighter. So I needed to get accustomed to that. Cause in practice, ain't nobody taping no jerseys. No, we taping our jerseys down. I mean, come game time, we take them things tight, tight, tight.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, and y' all know, y' all know the fans, they. They ready to see it. I, I wanted to see pennies get out there a little bit and spend it, you know, at least for a quarter. Uncle Ocho, but, you know, I know he got some high power weapons. He's talked a lot, you know, in this past week about how high powered they are offensively and what he expects out of that Falcons core with that wide receiver core that he has. And I think a lot is going to determine on, on how quick he can pick up on things and how, how soon can he adapt to being like one of the top quarterbacks in his league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All I know is this, if I'm going big game hunting, the first time I fire my weapon, ain't gonna want to see that big game. I'm gonna get some shots.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know y' all don't hunt, so excuse me, but I'm just trying to give you an analogy. You understand what I'm saying? If I'm going big Game hunting, the first time I fire that shot is not gonna see. When I'm looking at something, I'm gonna make sure this thing is capable of firing.

[Joe Johnson]

In case you have to make some adjustments.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. Exactly. Maybe. Maybe my aim, Maybe there's some adjustments that I need to make. But I'm not going into the game without having seen these guys do something. And OTAs and minicamps and training camp and joint practices, all that's fine and good.

[Joe Johnson]

They rhythm and time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't the game. That ain't the game. Even joint practices are different than the actual game. Your mindset is different than the actual game. And so that's. And like I said, I think my last year, Mike said, hey, you're not going, but I want you to come in, get some work. So I came in, got my 15, 21 tension. He says, hey, just warm up. Hey, get you a good workout in, and that's it for the evening, because I want to take a look at these other guys and see what I got. I already know what I got with you. 84. Okay, cool. But, Ocho, I had them play three games. Hell, I played the first game, the second game, the third game. So what the hell is he looking for in the fourth game that I haven't done in the first three that he needed to see in game four? So I get that. But these guys, Ocho, they start, they don't play game one, they don't play game two. I'm like, if some of them don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Play, the preseason is a lot shorter nowadays, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's only three games and. And.

[Joe Johnson]

And back. And even in the NBA, it's a lot shorter. We used to play at least 10 games, so I think it's a lot shorter, like five or six games now. So. Yeah, yeah, man, these.

[Shannon Sharpe]

These.

[Joe Johnson]

These guys waiting, man, that rhythm and time at Ocho, you can't substitute that, bro. You can't substitute them game reps, man. You can't substitute that. You can go. You can go and practice and. And run as many drills as you want. It just don't. It don't add up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah.

[Chad Johnson]

No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but that's. That's. That's the difference now, Ocho. That's not what we have, Ocho. We might have been able to get a cup squeeze a couple more years.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I took some hits in preseason.

[Chad Johnson]

It was like this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I played 14 years. I played in the preseason. Every year, at least three to four games. Hell, Ocho, by your bull jabbing, that's Two seasons, I could have got six feet. No, I was good. I was. I was good. But I like what I saw with Cam Ward. I think he's going to be fine as long as they can protect him. I like the receivers, but they're gonna have. You know, sometimes you got to make tough catches for your quarterback. Sometimes you got to help him out. You ask. You ask the quarterback to help you out. Like I would always say, Jon, just protect me. I'm gonna make an attempt even when I'm going over the middle. Give me an opportunity. Because I want to take the shot in my back, not in my face. Because if worse come to worst, Ocho, I'm a jump like this here over the middle and take that shot in the back. I ain't really trying to do this.

[Chad Johnson]

Like this here, most definitely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'll take the shot in the back. Joe. I ain't trying to get that base on Cadillac with a. You remember when Antquan Bolden got hit? Remember that shot? He took it and he came back. You don't want that shot in the face. You want that shot in the back. So you always tell your quarterback to protect you. Ocho Eagles.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

GM Hy Roseman speaks on the mistake and the regret of not drafting Justin Jefferson. I think there's one who's pretty obvious. One guy didn't draft that's going to the hall of Fame. The mistakes kill me. I made it made me think, why are we picking certain guys? But if we don't make that mistake like that, we probably don't play in two Super Bowls in the last three years. Don't overthink things. When you're staring at a good player, just take them. Not drafting JJ still haunts him to this day. Yes, because. Because think about who you took his look, the guy that he took. I played with his father, Monte Rager. Jalen Rager is his son. He got in awe of all the jumping high and running fast and he overlooked the production that JJ Jetta gave him on the field. I asked Ozzie Newsom, who's one of the best GMs to do it, drafted Jonathan. His first two players he ever selected was Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis. He selected Suggs. He selected Lamar Jackson. He selected Ed Reed. We know. We know what he's been able to do. And I asked him to say Ozzy, Suggs, Ocho. He said, Suggs ran 485 with tight and track spikes. I said, well, why the hell you take a man that run 485? He said, Shannon, somebody got 23 sacks. I saw somebody could bend the edge. I don't need to run 40 yards, I just need to run 10 and he can get off the ball. So I believe. He said, I never forget this. He said, I believe what my eyes tell me. He says, yes. When I watch him film and a guy looks fast, he looks explosive, he looks strong. Hopefully he comes to the combine. Hopefully he tests well. But if he doesn't, I base most of what I what I judging on by what I see on tape, I'm going to trust my eyes. Howie didn't trust his eyes. He got enamored by Ocho. 4, 3, 4, sub 4, 4. He got. And he got enamored by 40 plus inch vertical. He got enamored by things that doesn't necessarily equate to being a great because if that was the case, hell, I just go get me a black guy. Do you see when Noah Lyles is warming up? Did you See how high he jumps up in the damn air. His feet, his heels are at the height of somebody's head. So that lets you know, first of all, if a guy that fast, you know he's exposing with. You look at Tyreek, you say, Tyreek, did them backflip? You say, you say, you got to see this joke. Yes. You could tell he's explosive. Go ahead. What you want to say about what you think about what? How he said admitting that he made a mistake.

[Chad Johnson]

Not that happens. That happens. Obviously, it's the eye test when it comes to scouts, GMs, coaches and personnel in general. Based off the eye test and not looking at numbers, you look at Justin Jefferson and you look at Jalen Rager, and you'll pick Jalen Rager based on what you see when it comes to the aesthetics of the position in itself. So I can understand where he calls it. He calls it a mistake. Actually, it's not a mistake because let's say you did go get Jetta's. You might not have the Super Bowls that you have, you know, you might not, you know, think things would have been different. So everything went exactly how it was supposed to have pulled to go, actually. But I'm. I'm upset. I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, he stumbled into it because guess what? The next year devonte Smith came out and he was able to trade down and get Devonte Smith. And in a couple years later, you traded A.J. brown. So you got your big two.

[Chad Johnson]

It did work itself out. I. I was kind of upset. I. I really wanted. I really wanted brother Jalen Rager to, To be, Be great at the position because he had all, all the intangibles to be just that. And I think one of the things with him is mentally, Mentally, I think. I think he had lost his confidence at some point, and he just wasn't able to regain it back. Because he has all the potential in the world to be one of the best in the league. He just wasn't able to put it all together.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Uncle Ocho, do you think they put too much emphasis on like the testing the combine when it comes to football? Meaning? Because there are some guys who will not test well when it comes to combine. Agility, quickness, vertical, right. But when you put them in between the lines, it's a big lights. Come on. They just know how to play, bro. You know what I mean? That's for basketball and football. But I see that, I see that in a lot of guys this year, obviously, from watching Shadora, you know, I know, I know we talk about him a lot, but he looks like one of those type of guys, you know what I mean? When you get him in between the lines, he just knows how to play, bro. You know what I mean? Yeah. Hell no. He probably ain't gonna test well in no combine. And no 40 or no vertical leap or none of that, you know what I mean?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think you. Somebody goes to the combine, they might not be. We just had Taron Arms Armstead. He goes to the combine to run 4, 6. Now people looking at him, you get a guy, go there, they might not be hurt, or he might be a low. Go run four, three. Because I can teach you everything else. I can teach you to catch. I can teach you the backpedal. I can teach you to drop. I can't teach you how to run fast. Either you got that in you or you don't.

[Chad Johnson]

But also. Also, it's a gift and a curse being able to run that goddamn fast and then believing you becoming a project, coming to the NFL, well, we can teach you all the intangibles, you know, to become a great player, whatever position you do play. Sometimes it's hard, sometimes it's too late. Because if you're already in the NFL and you've been able to get by, you've been able to get by without the technique all this time. Yeah, well, you got the technique at the next level. You don't get exposed anyway, no matter how goddamn fast you are. Everybody run 4:3 at the skill position. Damn. Yeah, everybody. Even the people that run 45 or run 46 that play receiver, what not. They know how. They know how to manipulate all those that are fast to be able to get open and create separation. So just add. It's like. It's like having a car unk and you're throwing rims on there. Okay, that. That's the speed in general, it's great to have, but you don't necessarily need it to be successful at what you do.

[Joe Johnson]

You gotta know when to use.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have you ever heard anybody say size Kill? No. Have you ever heard somebody say strength Kill? What do they say? Kill. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. Speed. I can't teach you that. They say. Well, he talked. No, no, no, no, no, no. I can teach you technique to make you faster than what you are, but that's in you. If you think somebody like, got that usain boat was always fast. It was always in him. He just found somebody to get it out of him. So now Ocho you look at it, we look at guys and they're like, man, what did everybody say? I just. Ain't nobody saying I want to do 24 reps. Ain't nobody saying, I want to do 40 inch vertical 40. Everybody say, I want to run. I want to run 4, 3. I want to run 4 2. Because that's what's going to grab the attention. When Chris Johnson ran that 4, 2, 4.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But John Rawls got drafted in the first round because he ran 4, 2, 2. He couldn't stay healthy in college. So if you can't, Ocho, if you can't stay healthy in college, what makes you think you're going to be able to stay healthy in the NFL? Xavier Worthy, he goes around four, two, one. Ocho. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Chad Johnson]

Moving. Hey, I got a question, Joe. Hey, when you watch Xavier worthy, despite his 40 time, he doesn't look as explosive. When he opened up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's Tyreek, it's like right now, bomb, he gone.

[Chad Johnson]

But Xavier Worthy ran a faster combine time. But he doesn't look that fast until he gets going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like, am I tripping?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, he's a built.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's a build up guy. You know, some cars, Ocho, you just like an electric versus gas. Like, if you, if anybody out there that have an electric car, you know, you step on it, it doesn't require that spark.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I went.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You look at Tyree, you look at Tyreek, okay? Tyreek looked. When you watch Tyreek run, when you watch the very first time, I say, damn, he look. I said, maybe it's. Maybe, I say, but some people just look fast. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? We see him and it's one thing to like to see a person up close and personal, but to watch somebody from the television and say, damn, he a man. Tyreek looks explosive. You could tell, but you could tell the way he built. Look at how compact he is. Look at the muscle, the musculature. You could tell the way he walked. Oh, yeah, you can look at certain guys. Oh, he could do a backflip or he could. Yeah, he could. He could do certain things. That's how Tyreek. Tyreek looks like that Xavier word this fast. But you gotta realize Xavier worth is what, 160? Tyreek like 190.

[Chad Johnson]

Really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think so?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he lost.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He lost weight. He lost. He. Remember he said he dropped weight. So he might be like 180, 180, 185.

[Chad Johnson]

He might even be A little fast.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But XAVIER Worthy, like 165.

[Chad Johnson]

You know who Xavier Worthy might remind me of? The same type of running style. They have the same gate too. And it looked like they not running until somebody trying to catch them or the ball is in the air. That goddamn Ted again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. You remind you, I don't know if you remember him. Ojo James Jack from the Raiders.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

James Jett with an alternate on the four. But on the four by one that won the gold medal in 92 at the Olympics. Lord have mercy.

[Chad Johnson]

He could go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you know, the Raiders always been a narrow. They've always had guys that could run fast. They had Willie Gaultier, who they had Sam Grady, who won the silver medal in the Olympics, was on the 4x4 and 80 dotta. They had swerve and Mervyn Fernandez. They've always had guys that can fly at that position. You remember when they drafted Darius Hayward Bay Ocho, because he ran 4, 3, 2. Now, catching the football was a problem. Running fast was not a problem.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause you, you, you can have all.

[Joe Johnson]

That speed, but if you don't know how to use it and get open, hell, this is useless.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man, it is. And that's what. And I tell people, man, you're not that fast. I said all speed do is get you to the safety faster to get knocked out. This, this, this folk. This 4, 5, 4, 6 is plenty fast enough. All you doing to get to that safety. So you drop the ham on you. But look, you're gonna make mistake, but think about what you've done. You drafted Jalen Hurts. You drafted Jalen Carter. You drafted Jordan Davis. You joined Cooper Dejon. You drafted Landon Dickerson. Look at the guy you found Jordan Mylotta. Look at the guy. Damn. How are you? What you want to be, Howard? A baseball player that mad that he struck out? He done got three home runs and a double. He straight got his last plate appearance. He like, damn, I messed up, bro. Howie, bro, you that Devontae Smith. Listen, look at, look at the pigs that he's got no Joe since he got that one.

[Chad Johnson]

He's playing, he's playing humble. I obviously I don't think how he understands. Listen, I'm not a part of NFL offices or management or GMs or people in positions of power. But if anything but Howie and Jeffrey Lurie have done the past what, five, six years. Hell, they the goddamn blueprint on how to operate and build a winning team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, to me, look at the defense. Hell, look at the offense. So if. If I'm in the NFL and I'm an executive of some sort, hey, we need to piggyback and steal. What they doing over here? It's a copycat league anyway.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

On the field, people watching film and stealing stuff that works the previous week on the opponent that you're playing, hell, they might as well do the same thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's easier to say than done. You don't think, hey, man, I could do that. I might as well cross over the country. But you don't. You're not Beyonce, man. You see what my. You not Michael, you not Prince, you not Usher. So it's easy to say this is what you should do, but you're not one of them to be able to do it. It's easy to say, man, you see what Howie do it. But you ain't got Howie's eye. You don't know what. How he's looking for when he looks for a particular player. Yeah, it's easy to say, man, look at Ozzy. How many hall of famers did he draft? Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis on I think the all 70. The 100th anniversary team. Ed Reed also. So you got three guys that's on the hundredth anniversary team.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, first three guys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First battle. Hall of famer Suggs is going to be in the hall of Fame. Lamar Jackson is going to be in the hall of Fame.

[Chad Johnson]

The funny thing, when I think about it, Joe. And Joe just said it clear as day earlier. When the lights are on, what do they look like in between those lines on the grass? There's a lot of film in everybody before you draft them. If I'm a shout out, yeah. God damn. It's common sense. I don't care what you ran the 40 in. Let's say you did run a slow time. How am I gonna knock you when I know what I'm getting? When it's time to play the actual game of football. The game of football isn't. Isn't ran. It's not. It's not. It's not played in a straight line anyway. This ain't track. So having speed is just another great factor to add to what you can do. But if you don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall. Ocho. Jerry Rice might be the slowest receiver in the hall.

[Joe Johnson]

Technical sound.

[Chad Johnson]

Rampo 6. He was technically sound. But Unc, he had. He. He had something we call football speed. Football speed is the difference.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we know Emmett. Emmett might be the slowest running back he Got the most rushing yard.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So when you look at it, we, we do, we put a lot of emphasis on speed, Ocho. But at the end of the day, can you play the game of football?

[Chad Johnson]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, this ain't Olympics. Hey, we got Olympians. We gonna let Noah Lyles. We gonna let Katie Benary. We gonna let ride. We gonna let dolphin handle that. Can you play football? Cause at the end of the day, we play a game called football, and it's not in a straight line. You're gonna have to move, you're gonna have to be. You're gonna have to be, have to react. And the number one thing, you can't be afraid. Now, look, there's a certain level, it's hard to say a player is soft because it takes a certain type of crazy. It takes a certain type of person to play.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, not. Not anymore. Not anymore. Not doing your era. Doing my area. It doing my era. It takes a certain level of crazy. The way the game is now, where it's favored and it's handicapped. The defense. Yeah, man, you got players out there catching with one hand, man. In the middle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why you see all them go across the middle. Hey, and take a selfie. You got guys.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, the game boy did a buff boy, Joe back. Boy Joe back in the 2000s, boy. But in the early 2000s, going across.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That middle, alligator arms, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, if that man, I don't want no part of that.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho the top 10 highest paid NFL players have a combined zero Super bowl wins. Number one, Dak Prescott at $60 million. We got four players tied at number two. Josh Allen, Jordan Love, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence at $55 million. We got Tua at $53.1 million. We got two tied at number seven at $53 million. That's Jerry Goff and Brock Purdy. And we got Justin Herbert at number nine at 52.5 and Lamar Jackson at a ripe 52.

[Joe Johnson]

Where Mahomes at, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now Mahomes ain't making that much money. He want to try to keep a team together. He realized, look, Mahomes supposed to have been made first of all when they redid Mike Mahomes contract after that year, he threw what, 50 touchdowns with 5,000 yards. He was supposed to be. He was supposed to be making $60 million way back then.

[Chad Johnson]

He chose not to take that much though. That's smart. That's smart.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the Tom. He realized, like, man, I'm winning at such an early age. If I want any chance to catch Tom or be thought of in that conversation, I would have to try to keep this thing together as long as I possibly can. And that's what he's been able to do. Plus, they go to him every year and basically like give him his money and bingo.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I'll say that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then guess what? After this season, they'll come back to the table again and give him. Give him more money. But anybody, Any. Any. Are you surprised by that? Dax never been to the Super Bowl. Neither is Josh Allen. Neither. Jordan Love, Joe has been once. Trevor Lawrence hasn't even won a playoff game. Tua's never been. Jerry Goff went, but he went with the Rams. Purdy went, he went, but he lost. Herbert nor Lamar.

[Joe Johnson]

That's why these teams try to take advantage of having good quarterbacks at a young age. To where you're able to fill out the roster.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You try to get him on his rookie contract.

[Joe Johnson]

How? Jaden Daniels is over in Washington.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I mean? You get you a young, vibrant quarterback who can kind of lead you and you can kind of ride that wave.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

And make sure he still has weapons around him and keep the defense solid because, yes, they take up a lot of the cap, man. This, this is a.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is a. Oh, yeah, but that's what happened with Mahomes. But see, what happened with Jordan Love is that he had to wait two years. He waited a couple years, Ocho. And so now when he plays well, it's time to pay it. So you missed a couple of those years that you could have got, but you got to pay him. Mahomes, remember, Mahomes sought out his rookie his first year because they had Alex Smith. Okay, that's one year. Okay. The next year he goes, they goes to the AFC championship game. He wins the MVP, 50 touchdowns, 5,000 yards. The next year they come back, they win the Super Bowl. Oh, damn. He didn't hit him over the head like he could have. He's like, I need to keep Kelsey, I need to keep Chris Jones, I need to keep some of these guys in order for us to have a chance to repeat, to get back. And so that's what he's been able to do. I don't begrudge. It's not my job. I'm not a capologist. You told me to play. I'mma play. Shut up and play, okay? So don't ask me to come down here and help your eyes with the cap. Cause you told me to shut up and play. So I'm a play up. Go back upstairs and figure it out.

[Chad Johnson]

And the funny thing about everybody on that list, they give their team the best chance to win. They give their team the best chance to win despite them not having success or having the Super Bowls that they need. But without them, what would their team be without those quarterbacks and the team that they play for, Whether it be Tua, who hasn't been there, whether it be Trev. Was Trevor Lawrence on there? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

T5 or Justin Herbert.

[Chad Johnson]

What would their teams be without them? I know they command such a high, high pay price or whatever, whatever you want to call it. But they still give their teams the best chance to win, which is why they're paid what they are. Even though they haven't won a Super bowl, let alone some haven't been to the playoffs yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody ain't gonna win no Super Bowl.

[Chad Johnson]

It's hard. It's hard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not look and that people get upset. Joe, if everybody won a championship, what's the fun in that? What's the value if everybody has it, there's a reason why there. There certain. Certain zip codes. There are certain things that everybody shouldn't have access to or what's the. What's the point in it? Yeah, what's the point Ocho, if everybody want a Super Bowl? So what's the value in that? What's the Joe, if everybody won an NBA championship, what's the value that if everybody got a ring, everybody's like oh yeah, he's a great player, he gonna win one.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But.

[Joe Johnson]

But that. I mean it's majority of the teams going to a season Ocho thinking they really got a. A real chance of winning though. I said the majority. I didn't say they say I said the majority.

[Chad Johnson]

It's a few.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's about ultra.

[Chad Johnson]

What you think about 18, maybe not even 68. That's too many. Maybe, maybe six 16s. I'm about legitimate every single season, huh. No matter what come hella high water. They actually have a chance to go to Super Bowl. Ravens, Kansas City Chiefs, Bills, Packers. Now with their play. I said did I mention Ravens? Eagles.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ravens, yeah, Eagles. Yep.

[Chad Johnson]

Bengals. Simply because of the offense. Now I'm not sure what that defense is going to do. They, they. They get. They can get to the playoffs if they. You already know what they need to do. It got to be one more Detroit. Okay, you may might have been eight because I got to throw the Rams in there as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean the question is 4th quarter, 6 minutes are left in the ball game. Your quarterback. Can you count on it now? Because. Okay, you said okay, you named a bunch. You named a bunch of teams. But now come fourth quarter now six minutes or less in the ball game. How much do you trust your quarterback? Yeah, Joe, that's. Now you got clutch situation the last five minutes score within five. Now who can we count on?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, anybody? Anybody? Anybody. It ain't but a few quarterbacks because.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At that point time on your ain't nobody telling nobody man, I make 60 million, I make 55 million. You ain't thinking about none of that when you are down the field. I. I can honestly say I don't know how you guys but I can honestly say I ain't never thought about how much I was making when I was on the field for what.

[Chad Johnson]

And a matter of fact if you thought like that, you probably wouldn't making that kind of money because your focus is in the wrong place. Anyway, thank you.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I have thought about some other guys on the field making that kind of money. I'm like, how?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna beat you like a drum. We need to switch salaries.

[Joe Johnson]

This guy's guys who think like that, though, you know, they come out and like, dang, dude. Making this amount of money. Oh, yeah, I got to come out and put it. Do a job on him, you know, just to show that, you know, I'm as equal or better than him.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And the funny thing about it, too, it also goes to say, all the teams that are always in contention every year, you notice every last one of those teams have a quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Without.

[Chad Johnson]

In that top 10.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not in today's game. You know, we had this conversation Ocho, about a week or two ago, and you say the. You ain't got no chance, but y' all won the super bowl with Trent Dilfer. They don't play by the same rules, though. Yeah, they're not. They're not gonna let y' all do. They're not gonna let a defense do what the Ravens defense did back then. I'm talking about in today. I'm talking about in today's game, the way you can't punish the receiver, you can't punish no quarterback.

[Chad Johnson]

It'd be a flag on every play. You know, what somebody had the nerve to do, too. Today. It's been a debate going on who is better, the 2000 Raven defense or the Legion of Boom? I mean, man, what. What was y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Chad Johnson]

But was y' all just born and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What are they talking about? Okay, I just want to know who's debating.

[Chad Johnson]

That's that. That's what I answered. I answered. There is no debate, Ray. What do we. We talk about one of the best defenses of all time? Legion. Legion of Boom was good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

History. In the history. In the 100 year history.

[Chad Johnson]

Legion of Boom was good. They was nice. Now they was nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on, now. Don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't do that.

[Joe Johnson]

Ravens group was just a little different, yo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

There was no weakness there Very. There are very few defenses that you're going to face that has no weakness on all three levels. There was no weakness.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You couldn't run. You run running the ball, and they didn't blitz, so they're coming to get you with four, man.

[Joe Johnson]

I guess that's the blueprint.

[Chad Johnson]

Tell Joe. How many. Tell Tell Joe the. The stat line against the Giants, the Super bowl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All the punt.

[Chad Johnson]

Punt Punt, punt, interception, interception. Game over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they had, they had less than 200 yards of total offense in a three hour game. It wasn't even close, Joe. I know people at home didn't like it because it was, it was like three plays, punt. Four plays, punt. Five plays, pick.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, they would game a lot different now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, that was a. Yes, yes, that was a. That's a transcendent. That's a historically great defense. When you go back and look at the numbers, just on the numbers, they didn't give up 190 points the entire season.

[Chad Johnson]

That's crazy. Hey Joe, you couldn't replicate if you was on the video game playing Madden. You couldn't replicate here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The, the Giants. The Giants first five possessions. Punt, six. Excuse me? Six possession. Five plays. Punt. One play. That's. Oh no, no, that's yards. That's yards. Let me take that back. Let me take. Okay. Three plays, punt. Three plays, punt. Five plays, punt. Three plays, Punt. Three plays, Punt. 3 plays. Punt. 2 plays. Pick. 9 plays, Punt. 3 plays, Interception. 5 plays, Interception. 3 plays, Punt. 1 play. Interception. Then they ran the kickback. Then they went three plays for no yards. Punt. Three plays, minus four yards, punt. Zero plays. They fumble. They punted on three plays and then they ended the game.

[Joe Johnson]

Them. Boy was stingy, wasn't it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? So they three, six. Oh yeah, they was. It was.

[Joe Johnson]

I was like. You was on this team, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what was. Yes, that was. That was my first. Yes. What was practice like?

[Joe Johnson]

What was practice like against that defense?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you mean what? That's what it looked like. What it looked like we did that. What it looked like. Unless somebody blew it aside and I was able to sneak down the middle or something, it was no score going on, man. Hell to the dog, if you told.

[Chad Johnson]

Somebody that, that didn't know football, they wouldn't even believe that was a real game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, uncle, you got me in tears, boy. With a goddamn Statler.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, dog, they punted 11 times. They threw four picks and had a fumble.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on, I know them boys used to be talking so much trash. Probably doing games and practice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh boy. My.

[Joe Johnson]

Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Oh yeah. I was like, hey, they gave up.

[Chad Johnson]

10 points a game and Joe, you're probably. Give me, give me an analogy. Give me this. In basketball terms, I understand in a football term. Give it to me in basketball terms. Something, something relevant or equal to that domination in that game.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, I would have to give it. I don't know what I'm thinking, but I would have to give it to the The Detroit Pistons, when they played the Lakers, the Kobe and Shaq Lakers. What was that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was 0404.

[Joe Johnson]

I had. I, I, I, I did not see Detroit competing. Man, Detroit handled them boys, Ocho, you hear me?

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, they swept them.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, they ain't sweep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ain't sweep them gentlemen sweep.

[Joe Johnson]

But did they win one game, Unc?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They did. Remember, Kobe hit that three to send it to overtime, and they ended up winning in overtime. They lost game one. They won game two. And Kobe hit the three centers.

[Joe Johnson]

Overtime, home court advantage. Ocho, man, them bo. Hey, hey, that was a tough team, man, with Ben Wallace anchor that defense in the middle.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, they had she. She crazy ass too.

[Joe Johnson]

Tayshawn Prince, Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups. Like, they, they, they played defensively. They had individuals who can move their feet and play like Taysha was a he. He was what you would call a defensive stopper. Ben Wallace is what you would call a defensive stopper. But collectively, as a team, right? Man, they was on a stream. They were in sync. Like, you know, they, they, they understood their assignment. You know what I mean? Like, get no easy buckets against them dudes, man. None.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, man. 188 points in 20 games. That's what the Ravens gave.

[Joe Johnson]

Y' all just had to get some on the board, huh? The offense get some on the board.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we got. We. Hey, if we got up on y' all seven nothing, ten nothing. If we didn't turn it over, you done. It was over.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, hold on. I'm confused. The Lakers, Lakers with Shaq and Kobe?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they beat the brakes off Shaq and Kobe, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

One nothing they could do, ojo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that was, that was, that's what. Like when Shaq and Kobe was at there, they was like they was ready to be done. But they were still.

[Joe Johnson]

They was because Kobe apex though, they was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They was. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, Shaq. Shaq, you know, wanted to get paid. Dr. Bus was ready to turn it over to Kobe. Kobe had the thing had. He had what he had going on. Dr. Bus, like, you know what? I'm done with it. They ended up trading Shaq to Miami.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, right after they lost.

[Joe Johnson]

And you know, Ocho, they had already won. I think they had won three. Three prior to that. And Detroit was just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, yeah, they won. 99. 2,000. 2,001. The Spurs. Wonderful. Oh, two. They lost. They lost it. 03 to. That's what. You know.

[Chad Johnson]

So you telling me if Kobe and Shaq actually stuck together, they could have probably won more than three.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, probably.

[Joe Johnson]

He stayed on the same page. I think so. Yeah. You weren't stopping them too, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you, you got to understand, you had. It was like, had they been like Kobe, had they been like Magic and Kareem didn't really care who got the credit and who team it was. Yes, they probably. They probably Shaq probably, obviously, rest his soul. Kobe would tell you they probably should have won like at least five, maybe six.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they were that good. Because it's the perfect situation. It's a guard and a big.

[Joe Johnson]

But, but, but Kobe weren't taking no back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You had you. That's the thing. See, Magic, because you got to understand. Magic came in as a 20 year old. Kareem won the MVP that season. Magic was the number one overall pick. Magic's finals mvp. Cap, what you need, what you want? It was Pat Riley with the Magic later in his career and say, hey, he called Magic Buck, Young Buck. He said, buck, I need to. I need you to score more. You know what Magic asking me, you talked to Cap about that? You. You cleared that with Cap? Yeah, I talked to him. Okay, say no more. Say, hey, Kobe, this is what you.

[Joe Johnson]

Gonna get right here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kobe, Kobe. Mindset was, Kobe's an assassin. Kobe is a cold blooded killer. It ain't nothing. Hey, well, we just ain't gonna win then. Cause I would do what I'm gonna do. I will get it. But that's what you have to have. That's what you have to have happen is that you have to have guys willing to sacrifice. I don't care. I don't care who team it is. Whoever get the credit, they get the credit. Blah, blah. It's like, it's like the Patriots. You're probably never gonna see that again, Ocho. Not 20 years. You got 20 years of dominance. You got 20 years. Nine Super bowl appearances, six wins. Let that sink in. So basically every other year, Ocho, they damn near the super bowl. If that. If, if, if. Just think about it. If there's no Archer and Olivia Manning, how many Super Bowls does Brady have? Peyton beat him three times in the AFC Championship game. Eli beat him twice in the Super Bowl. That man might have 10, 12 rings.

[Chad Johnson]

That's crazy, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about it.

[Chad Johnson]

That's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So ocho, Terry McLaurin has been around the team for meetings and off field activities. But offensive coordinator Cliff Kingsbury said time on task, together on the grass is really the only way to continue to build. And that makes it about time for on Field work to start. I don't know exactly how much you can get out of that. I think we're kind of at the point that. Where you need to start getting those guys when they're available out there and gelling to see where we are as an offense now, you know, Terry McClure has. He and his representative has their number. I believe, though, the commanders have a number that they're probably willing to go to. It is. I don't believe they are.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn. What's the number, though? Is it disrespectful?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I saw some reports. They say 28 to 30. Okay. And he wants to be DK. He wants to be north of 33.

[Chad Johnson]

30. We could do 30. We could do 30. We could do. We could do 30.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, so. So okay, O.J. what's this gonna do with. With the young boy with his top. Top receiving weapon? What that's gonna do for him, man?

[Shannon Sharpe]

We need him out there, and that's what Cliff is saying. We need to get Jelly, all this. What. What we can be. We need guys on the field. We don't even have him on the field, let alone not playing in the preseason. He's not even on the field practicing at all.

[Chad Johnson]

No. Nothing. Him and Mike in the same boat. Hell, Trey Henderson, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Those are unfortunates, man. Those are the unfortunates of professional sports. Obviously football, because it's so glaring. You know what I mean? Like, you know. You know, Daniels is definitely gonna need. Need him.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Be successful. So. I don't know, man. I don't know what these owners be thinking about, man. I. I was thinking that, you know, this stuff would get disputed or get settled, you know, before the season started. But we down to what? One more. One more game.

[Chad Johnson]

That's it. Hold on, Joe. They do y' all like this, too?

[Joe Johnson]

What's that?

[Chad Johnson]

In the NBA, when it's time to get paid, they like, oh, nah, we don't wanna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, they don't do that. They don't do that.

[Joe Johnson]

But it don't happen the way football, like, you know, it don't necessarily lingers over to camp. When camp started, you already pretty much settled into what you got going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now.

[Joe Johnson]

You could be on your last year, your deal and want a new contract, and you may not get it, but you ain't gonna be holding out, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, okay. Oh, they won't do that to you.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, them. Boy, them boys ain't gonna be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yo, the top players go get the top players getting the max, no matter what. I mean, it ain't. What. What. What are we doing with Shay? We gonna give him the max? Jokic, like, nah, I ain't ready to sign. I'll sign next year. I'm gonna see what y' all gonna do. You see Luca. Luca says, you know what I'll do three years in 28, I'll be able to get. I'll be able to be the first 80 million dollar player. So, I mean, you see guys. Guys getting five years, 125 guys getting.

[Joe Johnson]

Five years, that's like standard. That's like standard rate now. 120, 125.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Austin Reeves turned down like 15 to 20 million a year. He's like, I want 30.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Because he know he gonna be able to get it. I want to know what. What we doing over here for the Hawks. I see Trey ain't got no new contract. He going into this season on. On his final year. His deal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Trey Young, they gonna take the Evan.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised by that.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what? They don't know what they're doing. No, Joe, I'm sitting back like everybody else. I'm waiting to see him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because, I mean, what's the max deal for him? A max deal for him got to be similar.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, him and Luca was in the same draft class. They actually got traded for one another.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. But let me ask you this. Has he been an all NBA selection? He should have been, man. Look, he should have made the all.

[Joe Johnson]

Look at Trey Young's stats. You can go past three years, four or five years. I'm saying from make. From a point guard standpoint, Uncle Ocho, he makes the guys around him better. He's led the league in assists. That goes unnoticed. I don't know why, but it goes unnoticed so much. I mean, he does so much for this team. You know, it just. It don't make no sense to me. It's like if you. If you end up losing Trey, I mean, I don't. I don't know what you plan on doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know who. Who y' all gonna get.

[Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm saying. Like the star power that he has here and that he brings and, you know, I just look forward to the Hawks being. I look forward to the Hawks being a top five team this year. Uncle Ocho in the Eastern Conference.

[Chad Johnson]

Top five.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, who they signed out in here?

[Joe Johnson]

We got. They got poor zingers. They went and got the kid from Minnesota, Alexandra.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. And then.

[Joe Johnson]

And then you hope to grow them, and then we Had Jalen Johnson back, who's been. Who was injured pretty much all last year, and you hope the growth and maturity of the young guys, they catch on at a faster pace. Dyson Daniels, you know what I mean? They got some great pieces, man. It's wide open in the east this year. Oh, yeah. Ocho, we got y'. All. We gonna be in front of the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Heat, but I believe Detroit's gonna be better. I believe Detroit will be better. The Knicks are gonna be there. The Celtics. The Celtics, I think they take a step back. Cleveland. I think Cleveland will be there.

[Chad Johnson]

Orlando. Orlando.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Pacers go take a step back. No Halle, no Miles Garrett. I mean, Miles Turner.

[Chad Johnson]

Orlando.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think they take a step back. So you. You might. You could be right.

[Joe Johnson]

You could be right, because we gonna be better than Miami.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We.

[Joe Johnson]

We got Miami this year.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, the Heat.

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Chad Johnson]

The Heat?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

We got y' all this year, brother.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen. No. No disrespect to Atlanta. No disrespect to the Hawks and their players. Come on, Joe, don't. Don't do that. Them boys ain't. Them boys ain't talking about nothing, man.

[Joe Johnson]

What you mean?

[Chad Johnson]

You told. You said better than the Heat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

You talking about Pat Riley.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Heat.

[Chad Johnson]

Eric's folks. Your heat.

[Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

You won't be. You won't bet nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Make it lighter yourself, brother. You already in the hole. Now we need to get.

[Chad Johnson]

I owe you a hundred dollars, Joe. Owe you a hundred dollars? Like, come on.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm just saying, man, if I had it put up somewhere, I could be drawing some juice on that little honey, you know what I mean?

[Chad Johnson]

Matter of fact, I get 100 to work on your WI Fi. I got you.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man. Okay. Okay. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, Joe. The Browns will evaluate Dylan Gabriel's hamstring Saturday morning, but they are optimistic the rookie will start the preseason game against the Eagles. Per Jeremy Fowler, Gabriel strained his hamstring on Aug. 2 and didn't return to full participation in practice until this week. Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Shador Sanders will not play this week. Shador was hurt in Wednesday joint practice and could return to practice next week and play in the preseason finale. Now, what are we expecting, Ocho? What do we expect from Dylan?

[Chad Johnson]

Gabriel. Gabriel to play. I ain't trying to hit nothing about no hamstrings and all that. You ain't that fast. You're not that explosive. Anyway, I need you to get out there and compete. I want to see. I want to. I want to see what you look like, without the green and without the green and gold on. I want to see what you look like in that brown when the lights is on, when that pressure's on, you know, especially after what Shador was able to do. You were the third round pick. I need you to go out there and show me why. You were the third round pick. That's it. Hey, I wish him nothing but the best, but I want to see it.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm with you, Ocho. I want to see some. I need to. We need to be able to put something on. On film so where we can look at and assess and be like, okay, we've seen some bright spots. We've seen some not so bright spots, but we need to have something we can go off of. It's about, hey, look, it's mighty funny to me, man, all these guys having these hamstring injuries. You know, I know the hamstring in the back, you can't detect that. You know, I've been around guys who done play hooky on some of these injuries now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, it's a situation where, like, the mechanics. I mean, a lot of it might be fatigued. You might be dehydrated, your mechanics might be off. I mean, the body's funny.

[Chad Johnson]

I know one thing. Too many players are getting hurt. Too many players. Again, you see what I'm talking about when we talk about nutrition and we talk about diet and doing all this stuff that. That really has no. No bearings or.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Playing this type of sport. You see what I mean? We got Kenny Pickett hamstring. We got something wrong with Dylan Gabriel with his hamstring. I'm telling you what these NFL teams need to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uncle.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm telling you what they need to do. You need to bring me in, and I have a plan. I can do everything with a PowerPoint presentation to keep these fellas and stop them from getting hurt. Okay? The game has changed, right? The NFL is protecting the players now more today than ever. I played during the era where it was. It was. It was there. It was a firing squad out there. When you're playing football, I managed to do it for 11 years with no injuries. None, Zero, Zilch. Not a pull, not a. Not a. Not a strain, not a nothing. So obviously I did something right that can help these young bulls with. That's playing his day's game. How you hurt. And it's preseason. We just. You just got to camp two weeks ago.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Them boys out there working hard, man.

[Chad Johnson]

You feel that go for you, too. You're oblique. I don't know. Where's the goddamn oblique at? Joe, where your oblique at?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, that's in your mid. Your core. That's in your throwing motion. I can see how he kind of tweaked that, can y'? All. You can't see that, Ojo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, that's a very common injury. For a quarter.

[Chad Johnson]

Where's that, though?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oblique.

[Chad Johnson]

I got something for that. I got something for that. I could have. Should do it back in two days. He said about your oblique hurt, boy, get you some. Get you some Vicks vapor rub, right? Get you some Vicks vapor rub. Rub it on the area where you heard at.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

Get you candle wax. Light a candle and let it melt a little bit. Take the wax, put the wax in on the area. It's gonna sizzle. It's gonna hurt when it first hits you, though. But that mixture of Vicks vapor rub and that candle wack. Candle wax is gonna pull all that, all that swelling and everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Please do not attempt this right up out of there. I'm telling.

[Joe Johnson]

That man didn't even know what oblique was at. Well, he got a whole remedy, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now he got a remedy for it.

[Chad Johnson]

I didn't know it. I didn't know where it was at, but I know how to cure the area.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Because it's a strain. It must be a strain or a pool. And I got some for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you got a strain. I. I just think the guys. I think the guy. I don't think the guys take enough time off. These guys train every. They don't get it. By their chance to rest, recover.

[Chad Johnson]

They be out there turning up, man. When. When the football season over? I don't know, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They'll go, yeah, they turn up, but they be out there training. Hey, look, bro, take. Take too much off.

[Joe Johnson]

I wanna. I. I do. I want to see these quarterbacks. I'm gonna be honest with y'. All. I want to see him in a little better shape. Uncle Ocho, like, you know, I'm. I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, the worst shape they in, the better they can throw the football.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, why you say that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ever see Peyton Manning with his shirt off?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know, man. Tom Brady, different game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Elway Burrito.

[Joe Johnson]

These dual quarterbacks nowadays, These dual quarterbacks. So they gonna need to be in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At least shape to be able to do both. They're in shape, but from. From here to waist, you gotta tighten it up.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, they gotta tighten it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they gotta tighten it up, man.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm getting boys right Man, I'm gonna get them boys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, they don't want. They don't want. They don't want no tight shoulders. They don't want no biceps. They don't want no triceps. They got no abs.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't know. Why is that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because they got to be able to throw that ball. They got to be able to spin that ball. They can't have no tight shoulders. It's like a baseball, like a pitcher. They don't do nothing up about it. You see, you look at pictures. What picture you ever see with. With abs? You got to be fluid through there. That's why they good at golf. Yeah, the best. Who are the. Who are the best players at golf? Quarterbacks, baseball players, basketball players. Because they don't have all this. They're not tight.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't saying they got to be bench pressing. 400, squatting, 600. I'm just saying, man, they got. You gotta tighten it up a little bit.

[Chad Johnson]

You just gave me an idea, too. Hey, Joe, you gotta come with us. Me and I'm gonna start a show like. Like streaming, right? Yeah, but it'd be the adventures of Uncle Ocho and Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay? Cause. Hey, hold on. Hold up. Cause I like. I say, hey, hey, cut me in and cut it out, all right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe can't do that. Y' all bad Joe. We gonna be able to live your ass behind.

[Joe Johnson]

I get this little. I get this little splint thing. Took off my leg on the 29th. I'm out here with the Shakers and movie baby. I'm outside. What we doing?

[Chad Johnson]

So we do all kind of stuff that. That people normally wouldn't be able to see us do. Fishing, hunting. Oh, man, you know, just doing, like, you know, crazy stuff. Like, I'm just. He. I'm just mentioning golf. Hell, shoot. I. I didn't play golf with Tiger woods before. Let me show you my swing. Hey, hey, I can golf now. Look at my swing. Can you see me? Hey. Oh, look at the show.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we see you. Yeah, go ahead.

[Chad Johnson]

Look how my shoulders. My shoulders are parallel with my feet.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold my club. It's how I'm a club like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Joe Johnson]

All right. Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

I just check. Check my technique out now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, I'm looking. Oh, no.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, you don't. Broke the wrist at the top. Your wrist broke at the top.

[Chad Johnson]

That's why. Watch how I break. Watch my wrist.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, that ain't gonna get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, this bottom. This bottom. It's got to stay straight.

[Joe Johnson]

He got. It's that inside forearm. Gotta stay straight, my brother.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, look at you. Look at your left arm.

[Chad Johnson]

Wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? The left. That's the bottom arm, you right handed golfer. The left arm needs to stay straight through the motion.

[Chad Johnson]

It did.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah. Hey, yeah. Y' all let. Y' all let me know when y' all want to get on the golf court. Cause Ocho's sweet. I know. I got him for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey. I had on one set and I played 18 holes, right? I eagled four times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. What?

[Chad Johnson]

In one day? Yeah, at Augusta. And I was in Georgia. I was in Georgia. It was me, Scotty Scheffler, Tiger woods, and what's buddy name me, Roy McElroy. It won, Roy. It won. Boy, was the other one.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

John.

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, no, it wasn't John. I know, D.J. it was John.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Keegan Bradley.

[Chad Johnson]

Not me. Me and John follow each other on Twitter. It was John.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hey, I'm.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I'm hella Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see that guy on the live. He shot 59 with a double bogey.

[Joe Johnson]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guy shot 59 with a double bogey.

[Chad Johnson]

59 with a double bogey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He went on the birdie. 13 of the last 14 homes.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, he like me.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man. Man can't play. Don't go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, hey, hey, I can go, bro. I show you my clubs right now. My club's right here in the closet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, I got some club, but I don't know why we talk, my brother.

[Joe Johnson]

Why are we talking, though? Seriously, man. That poo poo table and that ping pong tournament.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on.

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man, here we go. Oh, Efron Reyes.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't get him started.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be Minnesota fans. Beat Willie Mascone. Be Steve miserable. I'm effort Reyes.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm Joey Unc. And I mean no disrespect. I love y' all to death, man. But there are three things in life you might be able to be. You might be able to outdo me. And other things, other sports, you know, things that you guys are more accustomed to. To when it comes to ping pong, when it comes to pool, and when it comes to bowling. Please stay within your lane, man. Please stay within your lane.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I already know I'm the best in the house when you shoot.

[Chad Johnson]

You don't even got no pool stick with your pool stick. I got a personal pool stick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They used to call.

[Chad Johnson]

They used to call me Sugar Cane, man. What did you talk about my pool stick? Look Like a look like a sugar cane, they call me.

[Joe Johnson]

I know one thing, boy. Y' all show talk a good game.

[Chad Johnson]

Boy, I'm not talking good game. I used to be in the pool hall on 54th and 12th Avenue down here in Miami.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, now, for real, we gotta link up for, like, a little pool tournament to Pink. I'm telling you. I know both. I know both of y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

Sweet. I could tell. I could tell.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hold on. Hey, they got. They got a pool table in Magic City.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, well, we could put one in there, because that's where we need to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I could call magic. See, But I don't think. I don't think they do.

[Chad Johnson]

I call magic. Let's put a pool table in there so we can, you know, we can have some food. We can use our peripheral vision, and we can play pool.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I need to concentrate. What we playing, Joe? What we playing? We play eight ball.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, because I like your.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because, you know, I play nine ball. I play five and nine. The money ball. That's what we do. What? Five on a 5? Dollars on the. 5 and 10 on the night.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm not gonna play no silly games with y', all, okay? Oh, we both take y' all up. Some cat bragging.

[Chad Johnson]

You do not. Joe. You too tall. You too tall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know you.

[Joe Johnson]

That's my advantage. That's my advantage.

[Chad Johnson]

Ain't no advantage.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Do you have your own pool stick?

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir. Will you want me. Let me show it to you.

[Chad Johnson]

Mine right here. I told you what they called me growing up. They called me Sugar Cane. Cause my pool stick like a sugar cane. This ain't. Man, it's not what y' all do, man.

[Joe Johnson]

What kind of. What kind of stick you got? You got to break yours down or it's just like one.

[Chad Johnson]

I gotta. I gotta break it down. Mine come through.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can break it. I got. I got. What? The one I break down.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, mine coming three. My stick coming three. That's how I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Chad. This is gonna be sweet, Chad. Hey, yeah, we got.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, we gotta record.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't Nothing Sweet, but don't mess. Oh, oh, and for Red. Don't play with me, Joe. Joe, stop playing with me. Stop playing. Yo, how you want me to do it? How you want me to do it?

[Chad Johnson]

Yo, that's some 20 sticks from Dick's Sporting Career. Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got a food table upstairs.

[Chad Johnson]

That's $20 from Dick's. Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I beat you with a dog feeling. Why you over there bumping your gum. I get a broomstick and beat your ass.

[Chad Johnson]

Talk about you gonna beat us. Nah, man, he can't play, man. He got that cheap ass 20. Dick sporting good pool stick, man, come on, man, tighten up, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tell you what, I get a better one when you pay me my money. Oh, we.

[Joe Johnson]

He said mouthful.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Then look at Joe. The lost signal again. Look at Joe. What?

[Joe Johnson]

What happened? You see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you over there talk. See it? You see how you over there talking, Joe? You see how you over there talking? Oh, that $20. You see how you over there talking, Joe?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, just because you. The pool sticks coming to at Dick Sporting goods, they cost $30. Like, come on, what you think?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they don't. The pool stick. The dick don't come to the dot. They're a solid cue. Nah, no, hey, I get a broomstick and beat him. Joke.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, I already know what your case.

[Chad Johnson]

You gotta call your shots out, too. You gotta call your shots out. Call that call up number and the pocket, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

God. Y' all know I got on short. I got on. Yeah, y' all think I have on those short. Come on now. Damn. Oh, y' all just think I'm sitting up in this thing. Buttball, huh? Damn, I was sitting down. I got. I got old. I got old button here. Hey, Beth in the house. Me and Alfred Reyes. Hey, we gonna have played. Played 20 games. He beat me. He beat me like 13, 7.

[Joe Johnson]

When was this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably about 20 years ago.

[Joe Johnson]

You remember. You remember that thing we were talking about rhythm and timing? Yeah, I don't know. Y' all probably ain't been shooting that much. You know, I shoot pretty often. I ain't no. I ain't no dude. Just off the street, ain't never held a pool stick. Now, I grew up in this thing.

[Chad Johnson]

There are three things I don't leave home without. My credit cards, my car keys, and my pool stick. It's always in the car. It's always in the car. I keep that thing on me. I keep that thing on me, man. Don't do that, man. Y' all don't play. Y' all just talking about something that you like to do as a hobby. Come on, man. Like I really do this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Look here. I know I can be. Look, Ocho not finna beat me shooting pool, but I will you not either, Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

See, this the kind of stuff. This is the kind of stuff we have to have on stream, you know? Hey, Joe, you know, I caution that and Aiden Ross.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Know how they stream yeah, like we gonna have one for the older folks. Cause the older folks, we don't have nothing. Nobody's tapped into that space. So we have our own show called the Adventures of Unc Joe and Ocho. And it's just us doing all do. Us doing all the stuff that grown folk do, like playing dominoes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like I was sitting over here to say buttball.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I can see all that.

[Chad Johnson]

All the good stuff. What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. Oh, you try. You try to play two jokes, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on now. What y' all want to do, man?

[Chad Johnson]

Wait, so now I guess you could beat us in tongue too.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, man. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Well, first of all, Tunk ain't no team game, Ocho. I just want you to know, everybody put himself in tongue.

[Chad Johnson]

We might as well add the goddamn dominoes too. And add Uno.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't play no dominoes, but I play uno. I can play checker. You play check.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, listen, we have to see your Uno rules first. Because everybody ain't got the same rule.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When it comes to uno.

[Chad Johnson]

We playing the old school rules. Me, I am not playing all this new stuff they be talking about today. I'm playing the old school rules how we used to play back in the day.

[Joe Johnson]

What's the old school rules?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you drop. So you drop it down, reverse. You drop it down, skip, reverse, of course. Draw, fold, draw.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen, if you. If you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If.

[Chad Johnson]

If you drop a draw too. And I'm supposed to. And I have a draw.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two. Two.

[Chad Johnson]

I can. I can drop that too. Right on top of you now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, I play the simple. The simple rule. All that new stuff they coming up with, man, they. They listen. They gentrifying Uno. That's what they've done. They gentrified Uno.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I know I beat y' all in pools, that's for sure.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ugh. Come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient.

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