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Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, and Terron Armstead discuss Saquon on retirement and who has the best NFL atmosphere?
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Shannon Sharpe
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
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Terron Armstead
The volume.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hello ladies and gentlemen and thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know me, I'm your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bingo Ring of Fame honoree, Pro Bowler All Pro Madden Adjuster. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson and we have a very special guest tonight. He's a five time Pro Bowler out of the out of Arkansas, Pine Bluff from Belleville, Illinois. And he still holds the record for the fastest offensive lineman for a 40 yard dash time in the combine history at 4, 7 1. Here he is, Tyron Armstead. Toron, how you doing man?
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Terron Armstead
Good, I'm good.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
How you doing bro? Thank you.
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Shannon Sharpe
Just skip over that, huh?
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Terron Armstead
Yeah, slow it down.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Let's get through the reading. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support and your continued support because without you, none of this is possible. So Ocho and I and everybody at Nightcap greatly, greatly appreciate your support and hopefully your continued support. Please make sure you check out Shay by La Portier. We do have it in stock and now if you can't find it in a city or state near you, best believe over the next five, six months we are coming to a city or state near you. But in the meantime, if you can't find it, order it. We'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go check out my media company page on all of its platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. The link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. Yes, ocho. In the 2013 combine, Tehran recorded the fastest 40 for an offensive lineman in combine history, a record that still stands to this day. It was close. Lane Johnson ran 47 2. But Tehran's record of 4, 71 is close. And if I'm not mistaken, they're the only two offensive linemans that's running the four sevens. There've been a couple of run low four eights, but no other lineman other than to run at 4, 7 1. Lane Johnson at 472 have been in the offensive lineman have been in the four sevens. So as of yet, so now we're 13 years and counting. 2013 to 2015 and Tehran still held that record. Tyron, look, you're coming out of Arkansas, Pine Bluff, and it's not like it used to be. There used to be a, a plethora of guys coming out of HBCUs and so that would have been nothing. But here it is now we're in the 2000 and tens and we get an offensive lineman. You're three times SWAC all conference player and you go to the combine. What were your expectations? Did you know you had this kind of ability in you?
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Terron Armstead
Yeah, for sure. For sure. I knew I had the talent and the speed and agility to showcase. I just had to get to the showcase. So it was really huge for me to get that combine invite. That was, that was monumental for me, trying to get more exposure, get more eyes to my, to my tape. So I knew that I was gonna go, I was going for the record for sure. Like before I, even before we got to Indy, I was going for the record. I wanted to run faster honestly than that. But I'll take the 4 7.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
64305.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's the most I was getting ready to ask you, I was getting ready to ask you how tall you were and how much you weighed to be able to run that. Listen, I, I, I ain't run number four five, so technically. Well, you, you right there with me.
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Terron Armstead
I'm right there on your neck.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Terron Armstead
No, I was 665306, I believe 304 at the combine.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Wow. So you knew. You knew. So what was if I'm not, I don't know what the record was. What was the record? What was the fastest 40 time for an offensive lineman before you broke it?
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Terron Armstead
It was 484.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
484. Wow. You didn't break it. You obliterated.
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Terron Armstead
I needed it. I needed it. I needed all that. I needed that, that my moment. I was on NFLNetwork.com, nFL.com for like two hours. I needed all of it. So, so the scouts can go watch my film.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, so now you go run that 40 yard dash time. You run 4, 7, 1. And that's really the. Yeah. They want you to jump high. Yeah. They want you to do too. But speed is what captivates their attention. Now you an offensive lineman, you never going to be able to unwind that four seven one again. But you just wanted to put that on tape to let them see. Look, you got a phenomenal athlete. Yes, I went to Arkansas, Pine Bluff. Yeah, I know you're going to downgrade me talking about who did I block and who did I play against, but I'm going to come and showcase my skills and let you see. And then the chips fall where they make. So when you ran that time, did you know, like, okay, I got their undivided attention, I'm about to get drafted?
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Terron Armstead
Oh, yeah, no, for sure. We have special talents down in these HBCUs all across the country. We do. So I just needed the opportunity to showcase my skill. I knew what time it was. I was going for the vertical record too. I missed that by half an inch. So like, I knew that I was going to be able to make that splash. And I, like I say again, I needed it. I really needed that chance to, to get all the scouts just to watch my film. I wouldn't ask for no favors, but just check out the film and see the dominance.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Now also, when I look at the offensive line position, as fast as you were, you know, as far as running the 40, did you have an advantage as far as your footwork goes when it came to playing offensive line as well? Because most of the time, obviously, you know, playing off of the line, it's all about your hand placement and your footwork and always being balanced. Did that give you the advantage?
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Terron Armstead
Yeah, no. My athleticism, my agility, those were my strengths when I played throughout my 12 year career because I'm 65304, not the biggest tackle, not necessarily the strongest either, but I'm on your ass as soon as the ball snap, you know what I mean? A lot of jump says I had to use that in my game. So finding ways to play to my strength, that I was using my speed.
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Were you always an offensive lineman? Cause I mean, with that kind of fast twitch, you might have been a, you might have been a tight end. At some point in time in your career, were you always an offensive lineman?
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Terron Armstead
Well, back in my hometown, Coke, Illinois, we, we're known for speed. That's what we do. We run. So I was a defensive lineman and an offensive lineman, but I would go play seven on seven with the guys, corner safety, receiver, whatever. Yeah, it really was like that, really was like that. I can't do that. Shit, not more. But I really was like that. I can't move like that no more, Ocho.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, since look you mentioned. You say so you what, 34. 34. Right now 33. 33. Keron, you walk away from the game, you're only 33. Lineman normally played in at 36, 37. 38. We saw Jackie Slater play 20 years and he retired at 40 plus. And we see linemen especially. I don't know your injury history. That's why I'm going with this. Why walk away from the game and all that cheddar out there. You see that? Money.
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Terron Armstead
Facts. It is. It's a lot of freshly printed money out there for sure. But yeah, it is.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes, indeed.
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Terron Armstead
I got, man, God bless me with so many great moments and great years and a great career. My injury history is extensive. It is. It is long. And I've been through it. And that's really the part for me is my body. You know, I love this game. Mentally, cerebrally, I can play the game forever, you know, but it's just physically. And I'm okay with saying that, that my body is slowing down. It's movements and abilities that I just can't perform at the same level. And I take so much pride in my film that, yeah, man, it has to look a certain way. Like every time I step on the field, it has to look Pro Bowl, All Pro. Like that's the brand I wanted to leave. So I never want to look like I'm out there getting my. Getting whooped on. That ain't. That can't happen.
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Shannon Sharpe
You know what? It takes a lot. It takes a. Of awareness, self awareness at that for a player of your caliber or any player that's played in the NFL that's played at a high level to understand when it's time to call the quiz. Most of the time we'll ride the. Ride the car to the wheels fall off, you know, but no regard for. You know what? I don't look the same. At what moment did you realize that? You know what? I really don't have it to be to play at an All Pro or Pro bowl level anymore. What moment did it hit you?
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Terron Armstead
Yeah, I've been dealing with a knee since my third year in the league, but it's been with me for my entire career. Career. So, man, just. I'll speak on this year alone, I didn't see a practice field like at all. And not because I didn't want to or the Dolphins just wanted me to rest. It's like I literally couldn't Walk. You know, I couldn't after a game on Sunday, I wouldn't be able to walk on my own, you know, under my own power until Wednesday, Thursday. So I was only able to play under. Under. Under the pain meds, I couldn't put any pressure on my knee, so it was like, I can't keep doing that to myself, man.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
We.
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Terron Armstead
We. It comes at time.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. 33. And you. Now you get to be 40, and all of a sudden you're like, man, what? My liver shutting down, my kidneys and all the other things from taking those pain medicines. Because I know. I've seen. I've seen Lyman have to take Vicodin just to practice. I get. I get the game. I get the game. I really do. Because, you know, hey, that's once a week. But the practice are.
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Terron Armstead
Hell, yeah. No, that's crazy. And that was the norm for sure. I didn't want to fall in that cycle.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Right, right. But the thing is, as Ocho was saying, it takes a special. Because to the layperson, they don't really see what. You know. And the thing is, is that when you. It's kind of hard to let go and not practice because as an offensive lineman, sets are everything. You. Whether you're on a jump set, when you. Hey, hey, lazy feet, don't eat.
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Terron Armstead
That's a fact.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And the thing is, you got to practice that during the course of a week, it's hard for an offensive lineman to just go out there on a Sunday, jump set, quick, set a stab, whatever the case may be, and just go. And you going against the best of the best.
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Terron Armstead
You said it. You said it's the reps, especially for offensive line play. We're so based on. So based on technique and timing and all the hand placement and not. Not to mention the cohesiveness of everyone, because, you know, we're. We're the only unit that never comes off the field outside of the quarterback. That's one person, but we're the only unit that never comes off the field. So that chemistry and timing, it just is really tough not getting those practice reps and then preparing mentally for Max Crosby and Miles Gary. And that ain't cool. Like, that's not okay. I'm about to keep doing that.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Dealing with T.J. watts.
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Terron Armstead
Listen, I can't. I'm not about to keep doing that, man. With no practice. Like, come on, man, them boys got it.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because like you said, you talk about your office Tehran, you talk about your teeth. Excuse me. You talk about your offensive lineman. And like, okay, they get somebody else in there to practice it. But you and that left guard, y' all need to be cohesive. You need to like be on the same level and pass it off. Because if you're on different levels, gotta go hit that crack, right? And now everybody like, man, that y' all hate your. But see, you might be a little slow, he might have been a little fast. And now all of a sudden you give up a sack when y' all should have had that situation covered. I don't, I look. And everybody doesn't do it the same because I remember practicing with Gary Zimmerman, who's a, who's a two decade all decade player. In the 80s and the 90s. He went to the hall of fame, but he didn't like, he didn't like me to chip block. He didn't like the chip. He like sharpie, don't touch it. He said, CU if I, if I jump said him and you hit him, you're gonna knock him inside. And now I can't get him and everybody gonna think I got me. So don't touch.
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Terron Armstead
Yeah, no, that's the real thing. Especially, especially if you have a big physical tight end like, like yourself. So, like, you hitting him too hard. He getting momentum. He getting like a jolt into the, to the inside. Move. You know what? I got him. Just get out the way. Get open. Go get open.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Jonathan J O. Now, I played with J. O. Jonathan Ogden, who's the first ballot hall of famer. He like, hey, knock him down. Knock him out if you can.
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Terron Armstead
For me, it depends on who it is, man. Who over there?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Exactly. But you, like you said, certain offensive linemen, they want some, I mean, hey, stick and stay or some guys like, don't touch it. But like you said, that practice, like for an offensive lineman and seeing like, like I said, I've worked with zam for like four years, worked with jail for two years. And to see what they go through because they're working on their sets, they kicking. Am I going to stab him? Am I going to quick set him? Am I going to jump set him? What am I going to do? And now in the game, man, I want to jump set. But that knee bothered you. Now I can't, I can't, I can't see. I can't do what I want to do. The mind is my mind say do that. That body say, brother, to do that.
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Terron Armstead
You can't do that. No, we can't do it no more.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey, T. When it came to playing the left tackle position, I think about My approach to playing receiver, when it came to dbs and studying each DB every week and understanding what type of DB I'm going against, you got some that are quick, some that are fast, some that are physical. Somebody, some of that, you know, playoff or whatever it may be. What was your approach when it came to playing defensive ends each week? Was your approach different as far as from, from a technical standpoint? Did you change up things you did depending on who you were playing that week?
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Terron Armstead
Well, I've always said this, Ocho, that it's a lot of parallels to me, a lot of similarities between O line tackling, tackling DN and receiver in corner.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes, sir.
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Terron Armstead
Like that, that one on one matchup. It's a lot of dynamics there that, that's parallel to me. Um, the technique that goes into it. Tendencies, like you said. Is he pressing? Yeah, if I, if I jab inside. What are you doing with his hand? Same thing. What? As I'm reading the defensive end, I'm looking at their alignment first, how wide is he getting and then it get off, you know, how well is he timing the snap? Then I want to see his home runs. What's, what's his go to move that he's consistently winning on what he's winning on the most. I break that down. That's the one I want to take away. I want to take that one away. And then. All right, what's his second highest percentage? Move the counter. I'm taking those top two away. Throughout my career, that was the goal, my objective of game planning. I want to take them top two winners away. Now, if you beat me with a third, you, you, you're a bad man, but you going, you don't have to get that. But for me, I was taking those top two top two moves away.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. And one of the things that I've always liked to ask players that, that once they're done playing, who gave them the most fits? For me, you know, everybody asked me all the time, listen, you played a very long time. You've gone against them. I've always, you know, had to deal with the number one db and everyone ask who gave you fits. And obviously the one person I say every time that 2009, he had, hell, he lock everybody up.
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Terron Armstead
But that Reeves had to be super strong.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He ain't ask you about nobody else but you. You see how you did that? You see how you snitch? We.
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Shannon Sharpe
We talking, hey, but, but who give you fits or you just want to give them their flowers for doing a.
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Terron Armstead
Hell of yeah, no, man, I had some battles. I had some of these guys I seen too many times. Like, I didn't. I didn't want to have these rivalries, you know, that's how the schedule go. I played Miles a ton. Miles is always one of those. He's one of those. You gotta. You make sure you eat breakfast. Like, he.
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Simba
He.
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Terron Armstead
He's one of those for sure. But the guy that gave me the most fits, and I probably seen him the most, and he is still underrated in my eyes. Robert Quinn.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Correct.
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Terron Armstead
Robert Quinn, man.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, that first devil Quinn, he been in that edge.
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Terron Armstead
He. Listen, Robert Quinn, he got. He probably got the most sacks on me, like, out of everybody. He's the person that say, I got two on t st. Like, he. He probably that one person that can say that, right?
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Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
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Terron Armstead
Okay. That dude, g. He. Yeah, he. I don't even want to see him.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
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Terron Armstead
Post career, I. I don't want to see him no more. I'm cool. We can't be friends. Nothing. I don't want to run into Robin.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's dope.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because it's. It's really. It's really like a dance.
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Terron Armstead
It is.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because like you said, they getting that. They're getting that. They get into that wide nine, and now. Hey, you like. Okay. I know he gonna come wide, but what if he dropped and bull me? Yeah. Okay, now he gonna hit me, and then he spin inside. So I got all that going into. I gotta look at him. Okay. What is he doing now? I'm kicking. I can only kick so far. Cause the damn quarterback right there. Hell, I keep kicking, I'm gonna be in his damn lap. So I can only get probably like two kicks. See? And then I got to say. And I gotta take. Hey, I gotta be. I don't want him to get. I don't want him to bend the edge on me. Cause these, like you said, Miles, Ben. But I also. I also don't want him to wax on, wax off me across my face.
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Terron Armstead
All that. We trying to process all that, man. And they lining up in this wide nine, and these athletes are only getting. They're only getting bigger, faster, stronger.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
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Terron Armstead
So it's. Man, it's tough to deal with, like, Micah playing Micah Parsons for the first time. It was Christmas day. We in Miami, Beautiful day. We smacked the cowboys. That ain't part of the story. But seeing Michael Parsons for the first time in real life, it was different, bro. Like, you are. You are way too big to be moving as fast. Being that well, like, it just. The the athlete, the evolution of the athlete is just. It's becoming something. Something different, man. I'm cool. I'm cool, y' all.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And also those guys. It's special watching, you know, playing against Derrick Thomas. But the guy that I had the most respect for, I only played against him for two years because I was only in Baltimore two years. I've never seen a guy his size that quick.
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Terron Armstead
Who's that?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Javon Curse, the freak. Man free. The first time I play, the first time I played it, man, hey, I turned him. I said, hey, y' all better throw it. He was gone.
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Terron Armstead
Look out, Block, dude.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He took a step down because I had to step. So I stepped with him, man. By the time I put my foot down, he was on my shoulder.
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Terron Armstead
That's a bad feeling.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, he get to your. He get to your shoulder and you ain't expected. Hey, you might as well. That's a good feeling.
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Terron Armstead
That's a bad feeling.
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Shannon Sharpe
Hey, uncle, you saw the picture. I just saw Javon curse in the airport leaving Philly day before yesterday.
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Terron Armstead
Oh, did you.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Before he got that. Before he hurt the ankles. Ocho dude was. I'm talking about. You talking about somebody like he like 6, 4, 2:50. I'm talking about all. I'm talking about 5 inch gloves. I mean, his hands look like a catcher's mitt.
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Terron Armstead
Did, did, did Curse get in the. Did he get into the hall?
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Nah, nah, nah. He. He was, I mean, close. Tennessee. He was at Tennessee his best year. He goes to Philly and then he has. He messed up his ankle.
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Terron Armstead
Okay.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And it messed up his ears. But hey, back in the day, you know, dealing with DT Bruce Smith was fast too. Bruce could be in for a guy his normally guys 270, they can't be in like that. Bruce be parallel to the ground.
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Terron Armstead
I don't make sense.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That move that you see Derek, that you see Von Miller do, where he dip under and hit and come down on one hand and get back up. Bruce could do that at 270.
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Terron Armstead
That's.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. So, hey, that's why you guys make the big bucks, man.
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Terron Armstead
Not at all.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
That's why you guys are the highest paid on the offensive line. Because you guys got the toughest assignment. Because you're dealing with, like I said, basically, it's like Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire. He's coming forward, but you got to mirror what he does moving backwards. And the thing is, you got a target that's sitting right there and basically everybody in the shotgun now. So you can only Set so far before he sits your ass in the quarterback's lap or he reach over the top and you agree.
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Terron Armstead
Listen, yo, we need some more money, man. Oh, no, we need some more. We need some more of that money. We need it.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
All right, check this out. Saquon Barkley is coming off his best year of his career, which ending in him becoming a Super bowl champion with the Eagles. And now he's gracing the COVID of Madden 26. Saquon was asked if he would retire at the top of his game or go until the wheels came off. I'll probably be one of those guys that would be out of nowhere. I'll probably just wake up one day, whether it's the next year or two or four, and just be like, yeah, it's over. I don't think I'll ever lose that passion. The competitive nature is always going to be there. I like, probably my favorite player of all time is Barry Sanders. So probably similar to that. Maybe one day, like out of nowhere, I'll probably just be balling and just like, yeah, it's a quiz T. Damn. We just talked about that. Cause your situation, you just like out of nowhere, like, yeah. Yep.
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Terron Armstead
Not as sudden, really. The ones in the inner circle, they knew the situation. And I was trying to push through. I was looking for options to continue, but it's just, it's over for sure. Like, I knew it. Not as sudden as, like Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson. Saquon is incredible hall of Fame talent. For sure. It'd be a he. He can't walk away all of a sudden. We need, we need to see some more of that, man. That's a special talent.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
What the difference is between them situation and Calvin and Barrett, they got tired of losing.
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Terron Armstead
Yeah, for sure that he's in a situation where he's.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I mean, you just went to the super bowl now if you start to lose. But Barry, Barry got to the NFC championship game in 91 and never got that close again. So Barry got tired of losing. Barry wasn't injured. Yeah, I mean, you talk about the guy had averaged 1500 yards for 10 seasons.
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Terron Armstead
No, for sure.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
To go, yeah, Calvin, the same thing. Calvin like, bro, man, we ain't getting no closer. And I'm going out here and I'm doing all this to my body. What am I really doing this for when I don't really have a realistic chance of getting to in winning a Super Bowl. So I think that's the difference. Saquon is in a different situation now. If he was at the Giants.
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Terron Armstead
Yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He probably just goes like, one day I'm out of here. But in the situation where he is with that offensive line, without offense, with that defense.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I. I don't. I don't. I don't.
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Terron Armstead
I don't think he just wants the money different, too.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I mean, the money's all the money.
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Terron Armstead
Different, obviously.
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Shannon Sharpe
Different. And obviously he just got paid. They gave him a nice, nice, nice, nice, nice.
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Chad Ochocinco Johnson
20 mil a year.
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Shannon Sharpe
And yes, sir, take one for a running back, for that position, obviously with a position not as being as valued as it is now, but being somewhere now where they appreciate you for what you're doing and they showed you love. I don't see Saquon retiring until he has that. That coming to, coming to grass moment. You know what?
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Terron Armstead
Right?
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Shannon Sharpe
I can't do it like I used to.
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Terron Armstead
That's a fact.
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Shannon Sharpe
I don't have that explosion.
- [23:30]
Terron Armstead
I see it the same way.
- [23:31]
Shannon Sharpe
I think that'd be the only time he actually called it quits. When you realize is, you know what I can't get? I can't bend that corner like I used to. I can't hit. I can't hit that A or that, that B or C gap like I want that. Want to be it. And that. That ain't right. How does that.
- [23:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Probably 26, 27. But here's the thing, though. Ocho, Lane, Johnson still there. My lotto still there. Journey still there. Landon Dickerson still there. So it's not like you see some of these. Some of these guys, the offensive line get old and they starting to move them out. That's the best offensive line in football. Yeah, they're not going. It's not like they're about to drop off a cliff in the next year, too.
- [24:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Not at all.
- [24:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And they got them all in the contract. They just did Lane's contract. They just didn't buy a lot of contract. They just, Just did. Dickerson contract. Jurgensen is a rook. It was on a rookie contract. Nah, he ain't going anywhere, you know.
- [24:28]
Shannon Sharpe
You know, it's funny when you think about it, as good as Saquon is and as good as that offensive line is, even if Saquon was a loser step, let's say it may be maybe in three years, if that. With an offensive line like that, he will still be able to do what he needs to do because he looked that much better up front.
- [24:48]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So he won't be able to go 80 yards with anybody without anybody touching him. So now he might have to break a tackle two yards from the line of scrimmage as opposed to running through those holes that my old slow ass could probably get five yards. I ain't gonna hit my head on the goal post like him, but I might get five yards, T. I gave.
- [25:03]
Terron Armstead
About three or four yards far forward. I gave you about three, four.
- [25:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Them legs hurt. I can imagine. Now, I hadn't gotten hit on a man in two decades. Yeah, I shattered like ice. You know how you drop ice out of the cup and hit this kitchen floor?
- [25:18]
Shannon Sharpe
You gotta. You gotta remember, they not hitting like we was back then. Now it's different.
- [25:22]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, they.
- [25:23]
Terron Armstead
Oh, some.
- [25:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't forgot how to fall. I don't forgot how to tack again. You see you. You start losing. Hey, you know how it is, T. When you go. Like when you leave the season and you come back and you gotta go to training camp, you got to relearn those things. Those senses don't tingle like they did like, once you get going, like training camp and now you go to the season, they don't tingle. And now 20 years, man, I be getting. Hey, I'm running the shallow cross. It's a zone.
- [25:50]
Shannon Sharpe
You running through the zone.
- [25:52]
Terron Armstead
Hey, they gonna get fine. They gonna get fine, though. They might hit you, but they gonna have to.
- [25:56]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But I won't be fine. They might get fine, but I won't be fine. That's the problem.
- [26:01]
Terron Armstead
That's the word for joy. Yo, Ocho, you switch it up on me, man? You usually have on the Cartier shades. I got seven pair of Cartier shades over. I was gonna be Ocho tonight. Hey, you know, twist it up on me.
- [26:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Let me see what you got. What you got?
- [26:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Whatever you need.
- [26:15]
Terron Armstead
You know what I mean? We in there.
- [26:16]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm Ocho right now. I keep wearing the same ones over and over. I'm trying to say the rest of them, you know, for football season, when I'm on tv, I got. I got.
- [26:25]
Terron Armstead
I got you frames, right?
- [26:26]
Shannon Sharpe
I got a different color to match each suit, all right?
- [26:30]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, that's a different bracket.
- [26:31]
Shannon Sharpe
They got a different color than msc, too. Hey, I gotta see. I gotta see you, dude. Information right off of Twitter. He from Canada, bruh. He got everything.
- [26:40]
Terron Armstead
Unbelievable.
- [26:41]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I need it.
- [26:41]
Terron Armstead
I need it. I need it. We gonna get right. I'm gonna switch up.
- [26:46]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Shador says that when he's a vet, he'll have rookie organize his locker. Take a look. Take a look at this video, guys.
- [26:57]
Terron Armstead
What I'm do, I'm gonna have a.
- [26:59]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Rookie organize my locker every day before he leaves. If Flacco told me to do this every day.
- [27:06]
Terron Armstead
I would do it.
- [27:07]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I go to him every day. I said, hey, bro, you good? You need anything?
- [27:11]
Simba
Right hand.
- [27:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Because it's respect.
- [27:13]
Terron Armstead
You feel me?
- [27:13]
Simba
I feel that.
- [27:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Ryan. Organ.
- [27:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So when you came in as a rookie, what did the vets have you do? Taron?
- [27:24]
Terron Armstead
Well, vets were pretty, pretty good to me, man. Jerry Evans, Ben Grubb, Zack Streep. Those guys were pretty good to me. I just had to get them.
- [27:30]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, yeah, okay.
- [27:31]
Terron Armstead
Get them breakfast every Saturday. Food for the plane, snacks, toiletries. I had to bring that type of stuff to the facility. Deodorant, body wash, all that good stuff. So trying to find a ride to Walmart, because Uber didn't exist in 2013, so trying to find a ride to Walmart, get the stuff for the guys and haul it into the facility. But they were, they were pretty, they were pretty smooth on me.
- [27:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that's what it was. I mean, they want breakfast sandwiches, they wanted donuts, they wanted chicken to come. They wanted Popeyes to come to the plane. I'm like, come on, guys. Y' all, y' all know, man, and back then, you know, we drove. We know we drove, drove to the airport, but we had our own hangar. So you drive up, go get on the, walk up and get on the plane, man. You know, man, I was driving so fast driving breakfast, man, trying to get there. Oh, bro, I want a rookie contract, man. I can't, I can't afford no 1200. Fifty. Hundred. Fine, man. Damn.
- [28:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I remember. I remember them day. I, I, I wide receiver group. I mean, obviously the vets, when I came in as a rookie in Cincinnati, man, it was, it was love. You know, there was a certain amount of respect that, that I showed and a certain amount of respect that they showed as well. But you remember Darnay Scott?
- [28:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I do.
- [28:45]
Shannon Sharpe
Darn a Scott. Danny Farmer was there at the time. Ron Dugan was there, and it was, it was all love. It was nothing to that magnitude. Like some of the stories that I, that I hear.
- [29:00]
Terron Armstead
The hardest time with that. The receiver room is always that. That respect.
- [29:05]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They could be trying to book the receiver be trying to book.
- [29:07]
Terron Armstead
It's always a hard time with that. We had a situation in Miami last year, not a big situation, but Tyreek. Tyreek Hill had bought one of the rookies a Christmas gift, and the rookie didn't like it. Really? Like what? Like. No, man, it's cool. But, you know, you ti. You Tyree, especially, you give me something better, you know, something bigger. You make it 30 games a year. You know what I'm saying? And Tyreek was really hurt by that. Like, he was really upset that the guy didn't.
- [29:35]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, what did he get him?
- [29:36]
Terron Armstead
Like, I'm trying to remember. It was like. It was like a. Like a Gucci cologne set or something like that. Some type of designer cologne set. And this. This young boy, he 21 years old in Miami. Man, he probably only had no clowns wear no cologne. He don't want that. Right. He wanted Tyreek to bomb something with a little bit more. A little more splash to it. Yeah, that was.
- [29:58]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And plus, you'll sing it. You know, you got a thing at. At training camp. And not no damn fight song either. Cause ain't nobody go to your school but you. So you gotta say something. Whoever the latest is now, like, probably not to be Kendrick Lamar, Drake, or whomever the hot rapper is right now. Back then, you know, R and B was still big when I was coming up and guys singing Teddy Pitt. The guys were singing. Luther was singing Barry Wild.
- [30:23]
Terron Armstead
Hey, that Undefeated song.
- [30:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hey, they did the thing y' all have. Did y' all have a rookie show?
- [30:29]
Terron Armstead
For sure. For sure. Mike McDaniel, he was big on that. And Sean Payton was, too. Back in New Orleans, we would do the song. Most of the guys would do R B. Old school. R B. Yep. I feel like the. And you guys probably have a different song, but I feel like that Undefeated song, when the rookie starts singing it in that rookie show, the whole crowd gonna join in. Is Fantasia. When I see you, it's over.
- [30:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [30:52]
Terron Armstead
He start that. You get to the first 30. He get through the first 30 seconds. Yeah, he won because everybody gonna.
- [30:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, you know what that song. That song right there is like when the. The swag surfing song come on. It don't matter where you at or what you doing. Everybody joining in.
- [31:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [31:10]
Terron Armstead
Don't grab somebody's shoulder, Debbie. Yeah, you gotta grab somebody, everybody.
- [31:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, that's it. Hey, New Orleans. What is that? Here we come to get you Here we come to get you that was New Orleans. New honesty.
- [31:30]
Terron Armstead
That Superdome used to rock. Man, I missed. I missed them. I missed that place. I miss those fans.
- [31:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Matter of fact, you went to Arkansas. Pine Bluff.
- [31:39]
Terron Armstead
Yes, sir.
- [31:39]
Shannon Sharpe
As a matter of fact, when I was at Link, you know about Langston University, right? Yeah, yeah, We. When I was at Langston, we played Arkansas. Pine Bluff. They came on. They came on down. Is it Coil? So Stillwater, Whichever one it is. Back in 1990. 1990. 7.
- [31:57]
Terron Armstead
We played Langston my freshman year, and Langston beat us, bro.
- [32:01]
Shannon Sharpe
Real.
- [32:02]
Terron Armstead
It was bad. It was bad. It was a bad.
- [32:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I know y' all took the bus, so we took the bus everywhere. It didn't matter it was 3 hours, or if it was 12 hours. You on that bus?
- [32:10]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, I was on that bus. We was on that bus, paired up.
- [32:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Those are some good days, man.
- [32:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And, well, see, the way we did it is like the starting offense and the starting defense on one bus and then the backups on another bus.
- [32:26]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, y' all think we did offense.
- [32:27]
Terron Armstead
And defense, but we did offense, bus, and defense.
- [32:30]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No. Hell no. Starters on one bus and the backups on another one.
- [32:37]
Terron Armstead
You ride this bus, huh?
- [32:39]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, you're right. Exactly.
- [32:40]
Shannon Sharpe
How about segregation?
- [32:42]
Terron Armstead
Oh, yeah, that's crazy. How they supposed to get better, man? They can't sit and talk to none of y' all.
- [32:49]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Cause we back there playing cards. You know, spades. We playing cards. We, you know, we own one at the back. The back of the bus. You know what I'm saying? We act. As a matter of fact, we wanted to go to the back of the bus hotel. But, hey, all of us, it wasn't nothing special. Cause all of us was black. We had. Our kicker was white. It wasn't no thing. And I'm sure it's the same thing with you guys. Did y' all have a white kicker or a punter?
- [33:12]
Terron Armstead
Both white kicker and punter. That's it. Oh, yeah. And a linebacker. We had a linebacker, too. He was a bad man.
- [33:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But that's what, you know. But you. You miss that? I missed, you know, taking over, you know, going to Tuskegee, going to. Where's Burlington, North Carolina? Just because you, you know, you. You taking the bus. I mean, it ain't no, you know, playing. It doesn't matter if it was, like I said, if it was an hour to Georgia Southern and Statesboro or you going to Tuskegee or you going to North Carolina, it didn't matter. Spartanburg, South Carolina, didn't matter. You on that bus.
- [33:46]
Terron Armstead
We take that 10 hour bus ride to Houston for Prairie View, Texas Southern. We'll take the 10 hour bus ride to Alabama A and M, Alabama State. My first flight in my life was. We got paid to come play utep, so we flew down to utep. They paid us to beat on us.
- [34:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, well, that was my first time. I'm trying to think what if. Oh, first time on the flight. I think I went to black college. All American. I think I went to Pittsburgh. I think Maybe I flew to see my brother play.
- [34:21]
Terron Armstead
Oh, yeah.
- [34:23]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But other. Nah. But no, you wouldn't take it. You would. But you missed that because guess what? We could stop by a convenience store. They was like, man, the guy was like. Cause I was. I was the. I was a capitalist. D sold the man like, man shot, man, I'm hungry, man. Have coach Davis to stop by. Stop by the convenience store. I'm like. I'm like, coach, man, I'm hungry. Coach, can we stop by a convenience store? Coach David looked at me and said, all right, home, we gonna stop, but you responsible for it. He already know what they're gonna do. They gonna clean the store out.
- [34:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Y' all had that nil money back then.
- [34:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, we had no nil money. That's why he told me I was responsible for him to make sure they put issue their pockets. That's why he told me I'm responsible for. And I'm standing to the door. Hey, take it out, Ocho. How that's gonna look?
- [35:16]
Terron Armstead
He ain't stop everybody, Ocho. Yeah. You ain't see everything.
- [35:20]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But I tell you what. Let me tell you what I wouldn't do. Because I was one of the few guys that had a vehicle. And people like, man, to this day, they're like, man, Sean wouldn't give nobody a ride, bro. I know who had stuff would follow him out the store. I know who a bag of potato chips, soda, honey bun. Ish. Would follow you, walk out the store behind you. So no, you're not getting in my car. Cause everybody knew who I was and what I drove, man. I just know they got in the car with Shannon. It was Shannon Sharp. They ain't gonna say nothing else. It was Shannon Sharp. Oh, no.
- [35:52]
Terron Armstead
Even if he had a little honey bun, he gonna slide a little Swiss roll or something. Zebra cake.
- [35:57]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He might have $3, but he gonna come out of there with $5 worth of stuff.
- [36:01]
Terron Armstead
So.
- [36:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
For you. No. No, they didn't. No. Oh, no. In the mall. Never going to the mall with him. Absolutely not. T, what do you think about the locker room this season with Tua going through his third and fourth major concussion? How do I mean, look, you. You can do all you can to try to protect the guy, but at some point in time, he got to protect himself. He has to know when the journey is over. You can't at. At no situation should he be allowed. I don't know what he was thinking. That you gonna go head. That you gonna go head first on somebody knowing your history.
- [36:36]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, no, he. He Definitely, he's. He has to be aware. There's no question about it. And he is aware. But even more. And now it has to be proven on a weekly basis that he understands his importance and impact to the, to the team, to the franchise, to the city. Without Tua under center, it's a different. It's a different team, it's a different look. But with him under, under center, I strongly believe Miami Dolphins can win any game that he's a starting quarterback. So. No, you're. You're absolutely, absolutely right.
- [37:04]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Except when it gets 30 degrees.
- [37:06]
Terron Armstead
Oh, here we go. Let's get it. Let's get into it. Let's get into it, man.
- [37:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Go ahead. But with two. Go ahead with two.
- [37:14]
Terron Armstead
No, he has to know that. He has to know how much of a value piece he is and whatever it needs to do. But just knowing the guy, knowing how much he loved the game and the way that he prepares, man, it's that competitiveness against Buffalo this year. We're stagnant offensively. We get a drive going and he's trying to extend on the third down and try to get another first down. It's just. He can't be the one to do it. You know what I mean? But it's just him being a competitor, trying to. Trying to wield a team.
- [37:40]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I think I talked uncle and I talked about this last year sometime when he went out. I just think he has to learn to fall a little better. Understanding when to. Especially. I remember that first down we went, head first. He still got. He got up. It was like one of the moments where you'd be like, ah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
- [38:00]
Terron Armstead
Hold your breath moment.
- [38:01]
Shannon Sharpe
But just.
- [38:02]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You got to know when the journey's over.
- [38:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Normal, the journey's over. And then when he gets hit, knowing how to fall correctly, you know, especially when you go. When you go back and you don't try to do your best. I know it's hard, but I was. It's something that I trained myself to do is when you get tackled, you're going backwards. Try not to let your head hit the back, the back of the back of the ground as hard as it does. I mean, what I used to do is if I get hit hard and I know it's backwards, I'm going backwards. I would tighten my core and try to keep my head upright the best I can, the best I can. Just so I don't get that boom. That, that, that initial shock which causes.
- [38:37]
Terron Armstead
Yeah. Cause the, that's the one, though. The one that you falling Back, hit the head. That's the one. That's. That's. Yeah, that's the one.
- [38:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. If I'm getting hit, that's my best.
- [38:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Like I'm holding the ball, but I do my best as if I'm. As if. As if I'm bear hugging, dude. You know, in a sense, obviously. Literally bareheaded. I'm just saying. Trying to keep my body and my upper body and torso as close to him as possible, even on impact, just so most of the force isn't the back of the head bouncing off Ocho.
- [39:06]
Terron Armstead
How you feel about them guys on the sideline if they. They jump out of bounds or are you trying to fall forth for them for a few more yards? What you think about that?
- [39:16]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It all depends. In his situation, he can't do it. Not even on four because he's too valuable. He gets a first down and he gets ding. What have you done? Okay, you got the first down. Now your backup has to come in and finish out the ball game.
- [39:28]
Terron Armstead
Oh, different team.
- [39:29]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I give you a prime example. Peyton Manning. Once Peyton Manning hurt that neck, they never let him do quarterbacks and Knicks again.
- [39:35]
Terron Armstead
Yeah.
- [39:36]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
If you notice, they don't let Patrick Mahomes. Since he hurt his knee, they don't let Patrick Mahomes do go straight into the line of scrimmage. You see, you. You have to protect.
- [39:44]
Terron Armstead
That's a fact.
- [39:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
He's gonna have. They're not gonna let him do it. Obviously you wouldn tush push with Tua, but second of all, bro, you got slide. It's okay. Yeah, it's okay to slide. Funny, I'm not looking at no quarterback. Oh, he tough. For what?
- [40:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Only.
- [40:03]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Only you're not used to taking those licks like that. And they looking to punish you because you don't have the protection of the pocket. Cuz once you leave that pocket, you a runner. So I'm g hit you like free game, pre game. I mean, you go from. You have Drew Brees for a number of years and then you go from tour. What was it? What was it like? What was Breeze like?
- [40:28]
Terron Armstead
Breeze was a. Breeze was a killer, man. He was an assassin. He prepared like. Like a federal agent. He was. He would be. He prepared, man. Like he's trying to build a case on everything that we. That we played, man. You would. You hear the cliche. First one in, last one to leave. Yeah, but that was genuinely him. That was truly him. I would see him on. On those off days, man. He's. He preparing like none other. And you've Seen it every week. And it was no matter the outcome of the game, too. This was the special part about him. No. No matter how he played individually or if it was a win or loss, he put the same amount of time in. He gave every team the same amount of attention and respect. Playing the Falcons twice a year. That second game, even though we just played, beat them about 15 two weeks ago. He's gonna put those same amount of hours in. And that's why he was the greatest.
- [41:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Wow.
- [41:18]
Terron Armstead
Hey.
- [41:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, T. Did you understand before? Did you understand the animosity and the hatred that the Saints fans had for the Falcon fan? Did you know that?
- [41:30]
Terron Armstead
No, I didn't. Honestly, I didn't. I didn't know that was such a thing. But I quickly adopted. Quickly adopted.
- [41:37]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Quickly.
- [41:37]
Terron Armstead
Like, I hate them, folks. Still.
- [41:39]
Shannon Sharpe
I think I find. For real, listen, I think I found out maybe two or three years ago. And here I go. Try to have a kumbaya moment. Trying to get fans become one of the game, you know? And like, man, f. No, like. No, I'm talking about, like, for real. I'm thinking they, you know, I think they playing around on Twitter, man. Then people say, like, this is really. I really hating people. Like, really.
- [42:02]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, no. They do not mess with the Saints fans. Do not mess with Falcon fans. And Falcon fans, you best believe they don't ever.
- [42:10]
Terron Armstead
They don't say that.
- [42:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Serious. I had no idea.
- [42:14]
Terron Armstead
I didn't. I didn't either. Oh, but I. Like I said, I quickly adopted it. I still hate them to this day. Like, I'm not rocking with the Falcons ever.
- [42:25]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Laces on leather Ranked the NFL atmosphere from best to worst. What do you think the best atmosphere. NFL atmosphere is? What do you think the best one is?
- [42:37]
Shannon Sharpe
Honestly? Hey, uncle, it gotta be between Kansas City and Seattle.
- [42:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Kansas City is number one. Okay, I'll go through the top 10. The Chiefs are one. Packers are two. Seahawks are three. Vikings are four. Ravens are five. Bills are six. Lions are seven. Saints are eight. Patriots are nine. Cowboys are 10. I don't know how Cowboys made it. Cause they ain't got no home. Feeling bad they lose all the time.
- [43:20]
Terron Armstead
Yeah. No, for sure. The stadium nights, though, I think it's just rating the stadium, ranking the stadium for the Cowboys. I don't think it's talking about the environment. I was shocked.
- [43:29]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I was shocked how many games they lost. They lost like six games last year at home.
- [43:33]
Terron Armstead
Yeah. Nah, Cowboys don't got. They don't really have a. Unless they're. Unless they're winning, their fans will show up. But there's so many people in that stadium. You will hear it. I'm shocked to hear that New Orleans was so low on that list. That Superdome is crazy. Yeah, it's super dumb crazy.
- [43:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. But y' all been struggling. Y' all been on hard. Y' all been some lean.
- [43:51]
Terron Armstead
So this is. This is what last year's, like, best atmosphere.
- [43:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
No, but I'm just saying. Look. Yeah, I give y' all credit. Now, y' all. Y' all be making some noise because I remember Katrina, when y' all would. Y' All. Y' all played in San Antonio. I think it was in San Antonio when they came back and Gleason blocked that punt on that Monday night game against the Falcons. I mean, you could literally hear it through the television. I mean, it was. I don't know. And Sean Payton and all the people said they've never heard it that loud before or since that night.
- [44:22]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, no, that I'm. That was definitely a special moment. But during my tenure in New Orleans, we were always. It was us, Seattle.
- [44:29]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [44:30]
Terron Armstead
Y' all was good as far as, like, the loudest crowd noise. The Saints was always near the top.
- [44:37]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And I'm not surprised that. I mean, look at this. A lot of these Seahawks, Vikings, a dome, Lions dome, Saints dome, Cowboys dome. It's something about when you can get a. You can get an outdoor arena and you get that kind of like the Chiefs have or like when I played the Broncos. Man, oh, my, how that thing be rocking. They. That's 76, 000 I'm talking about. They'd be going crazy. Poor charges right down here at the bottom.
- [45:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, you know.
- [45:07]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, yeah. Charges in.
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Shannon Sharpe
Listen, I've been in some great atmospheres. I played at every stadium that's on here, and I. I honestly know one. Number two should be the Bengals. Honestly.
- [45:21]
Terron Armstead
Yeah. Cut it out.
- [45:26]
Shannon Sharpe
No, listen to me, T. Stay with me now. Never been in the jungle, boy. You've never been in the jungle On a prime time game in Cincinnati.
- [45:34]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You see what you got to see what you had. You see how he preface it? A prime time around and playoffs, it ain't got to be no prime time game. It can be any game. It could be a preseason game. It could be a note of what you scrimmaging against yourself. What are the lights. It ain't gonna be ruckus. That ain't what y' all do.
- [45:52]
Shannon Sharpe
That's what we've been doing. The culture over there has changed tremendously.
- [45:55]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You hear me?
- [45:56]
Shannon Sharpe
I've been there.
- [45:57]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It does Not.
- [45:57]
Shannon Sharpe
But they're in the zone.
- [45:59]
Terron Armstead
I give you. I give you credit, Ocho. It is. It has from my earlier years to now. I feel like now is a lot better atmosphere. They were. They all white.
- [46:07]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [46:08]
Terron Armstead
Yeah. It's rocking. That Joe Burrow, the icy white.
- [46:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Thank you.
- [46:11]
Terron Armstead
It's not in the top 10. Not in the top 10, though. No.
- [46:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Guess what? No, it's not. When they wear them icy whites, all you gonna do is see them. See. See them skid marks? Cause they gonna poop. They already got. All they gonna do is wet and poop the bed.
- [46:24]
Shannon Sharpe
I mean.
- [46:26]
Terron Armstead
Baltimore Raven coming out. I know what that is. I know what that. That's the hatred y' all was asking me about from the Falcons in the Saint. Well, Steelers.
- [46:36]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah. Steelers. No, we and us. For in. In endeavor. It was the. It was the Raiders, right?
- [46:42]
Terron Armstead
I got you. What was that for? The Bengals.
- [46:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
But the Raider, it was. It was the Stevens.
- [46:48]
Shannon Sharpe
During my time, it was the Ravens, Ravens and Steelers.
- [46:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It was bad y' all beef with Cleveland. Cause y' all tried to see who own Ohio.
- [46:59]
Shannon Sharpe
He's at.
- [47:00]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Ain't nobody worried about y' all.
- [47:01]
Shannon Sharpe
During my time, we used to beat up on the Ravens and the Steelers. Yeah, that's it.
- [47:10]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Well, maybe you did. I was. I was.
- [47:15]
Terron Armstead
Middle of the field.
- [47:18]
Shannon Sharpe
You saw me. Him up.
- [47:19]
Terron Armstead
That showed on him. Yeah, I seen you put that shirt.
- [47:20]
Shannon Sharpe
On that thing on him.
- [47:22]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, he put you down, but you got.
- [47:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't know.
- [47:26]
Shannon Sharpe
I tripped.
- [47:28]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Cardinals, the Bears, the charges. So what. What you thinking, Ocho? What they. What they get right? What they get wrong? Who. I mean.
- [47:35]
Shannon Sharpe
No, this is about right, though. Who? I'm not sure who made this list, but it's about right. You know, the funny thing about it is the fact that some of the dome teams are a little low. That's a testament to the fans in Seattle, in Green Bay, in Kansas City. And funny thing, the first thing I said before, as soon as you mentioned we were doing a ranking of best stadiums, I said Kansas City and Seattle right away. Goddamn loud tea.
- [48:01]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, yeah. No, for sure.
- [48:02]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't know if it's the way the stadium is built. I don't know what it is. It's like, dog, you be on the field and can't hear nothing.
- [48:09]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, no, for sure. That Seattle game. We played them our rookie year in the playoffs and.
- [48:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, that was beast. Bowl the beast.
- [48:17]
Terron Armstead
That wasn't that, man. No.
- [48:18]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, okay. My bad.
- [48:19]
Terron Armstead
That wasn't. I wasn't a part of that. I would have tripped him, but no, it's second round of the playoffs and Sean Payton. So we. We went up there, we kind of like battling for the number one seed middle of the season. We played on Monday night. It's 28 to nothing. Immediately first quarter, they smacked us. So when we go back in the playoffs, Sean Payton had all these custom earpieces made. Dead silence. So all week we wore these earpieces and we non verbally communicated every play, every snap count. And we got up there and we did it. It worked like a charm. As far as that, we still lost. Of course, they went on and won the super bowl, but it was that o char to your point. It was. Was really. It was so loud, it. It like hurt.
- [49:06]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [49:07]
Terron Armstead
So we had these custom earpieces.
- [49:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah.
- [49:09]
Terron Armstead
Like astronauts.
- [49:11]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
With Kansas City. We did that with Kansas City. But the old Kingdome, before they built this stadium, they used to have a. They used to have a dome in Seattle called the Kingdome.
- [49:20]
Terron Armstead
Oh, that. Didn't know that.
- [49:22]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They now it only hold about 60,000 ocho. But boy, you talk about.
- [49:29]
Terron Armstead
That's because it's always raining in Seattle. It's always raining in Seattle. Those people walking around sad all week and they go in the stadium and scream. That's all it is. It's all the rain.
- [49:40]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The old. The Astrodome was like that steel. Oh, the house of pain. They used to call it the house of pain. They did well, they had warm moon, they ran the running shoot and they defense, man. Boy, but the Bills. The Bills is like the Bill Stadium. That's.
- [50:00]
Terron Armstead
They got a nice football.
- [50:01]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I don't know what they call it now. I don't know what they call it in mark or whatever they call it high mark or something, but it used to be called Rich Stadium. Ocho, them joker be talking about. Let's go Buffalo.
- [50:15]
Terron Armstead
I'm not gonna lie. That's. That. That was one of my favorite places to play throughout my career. The energy is for you to start jumping around too.
- [50:24]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You better tell me.
- [50:25]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, no, it's hard. It' they got a nice atmosphere up there.
- [50:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, Buffalo got some crazy fans.
- [50:29]
Terron Armstead
Boy, they suck though. They.
- [50:31]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
They tailgate, they go jumping out, they wrestle jumping on burning tables.
- [50:35]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, yeah. No, they. They got real football up there, real football atmosphere.
- [50:40]
Shannon Sharpe
And you know what's funny too T. When you think about it. Listen, Buffalo. Buffalo fans deserve their flowers. Anytime it come to donating, you know, when other play. What Buffalo fans come through like no other.
- [50:54]
Terron Armstead
No, that's a fact.
- [50:56]
Shannon Sharpe
They always show love, man.
- [50:57]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, they used to tragedy. They always Lose. So they know how to handle losing well. You know what I mean? Like, they know how to get close, get to the door and it get closed shut on them. So they used to lose, and they know how to handle it well.
- [51:09]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yes. We good. Oh, so you good. Chiefs 1. Packers, Seahawks, Vikings, Ravens, Bills, Lions, Saints, Patriots, Cowboys, Saints. Too low. So you think Saints should be in the top five?
- [51:33]
Terron Armstead
Real. Real Saints atmosphere. Top. Top three environment.
- [51:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, whoa, wait, hold on. If the Saints top three environment, then. Then Cincinnati would damn sure got to be in top.
- [51:42]
Terron Armstead
It ain't even the same argument. So it ain't even in the same. Yeah, no different.
- [51:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Now, the Vikings I had played at this new stadium, but the old Metrodome you played no metronome. Right.
- [51:53]
Terron Armstead
It's crazy.
- [51:54]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh.
- [51:57]
Terron Armstead
I hate them too. Can't stand them.
- [51:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, it's aggravated bad.
- [52:01]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
I played up there, man, when they had. They had Johnny Randall, they had Chris Dover, rest his soul. They had Keith Millard, they had Al Noga, and they had Henry Thomas. Hey, boy. They had a defense out of this world. Boy, boy, boy, boy. And Floyd, that defense coordinator, I think it was Floyd Peters. Floyd. Reese Floyd. What was Floyd's last name? I think it was Reese. Boy, you talking about Cub. Man, don't let them sack. Don't you let them sack that quarterback.
- [52:33]
Terron Armstead
They was doing that.
- [52:34]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Man. They did start blowing that horn.
- [52:42]
Terron Armstead
Yeah.
- [52:42]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
All right. Joining because right now he just logged on. Fun fact. He one of the on the first athlete, the original music. Madden fan. Guys, he's been trust. We've been trying to get him on for a minute. We linked up a couple of weeks ago. He said, man, let me come on Nightcap. And here he is, ladies and gentlemen, your favorite rapper's favorite rapper, Simba. What it do, bro?
- [53:02]
Simba
What's up, O?
- [53:04]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, what they do, bro?
- [53:05]
Simba
Man, we living life. We bless. We alive, man. I'm loving it, man. Happy to be here with y' all. Y' all know I'm a big fan of the show. Shout out to my good. My guy up there, man. Big dog. I'm not a Dolphins fan, but I'm a Dolphin supporter. I'm a Dolphin supporter. I got fam out in Miami, but shout out to you, man. Shout out to the whole crew.
- [53:22]
Terron Armstead
Yes, sir.
- [53:26]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You're from the faith. Living in LA now. So were you a Raiders fan? You a 49ers fan?
- [53:32]
Simba
I'm a Raider. You see the. The Niners to us, they like the. They like the Prima Donnas of the Bay, you know, they like that. They like the Pretty girl at school. Everybody want the Raiders. We got in that gritting. Growing up, my mom was in real estate, so one of her first real estate deals was Lance Johnstone when he came to the Raiders.
- [53:53]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 51, I remember. Yeah.
- [53:56]
Simba
He used to give us tickets to the game, and my mom would always take me to the game. And then one of my close friends, Taiwan Jones, he was drafted to the Raiders from our high school, Deer Valley. So I always been a big Raider fan. Marshawn Lynch, Charles Woodson, you know, always been a big Raider fan, man.
- [54:14]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
All right, we're gonna get you out of here. C.J. gardner Johnson goes off on D.C. vic Fangio on IG. I was a test dummy for them, so now they can be like, my scheme worked or did my skill set make it work? I had zero issues. People had issues with me. So, yeah, let the salary cap be the excuse. Big Fangio, he said that C.J. gardner Johnson trade was a salary cap issue, a salary cap thing. And I'm fine with it. Just don't let the young guys know like y' all did me.
- [54:46]
Simba
Damn.
- [54:49]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey. What?
- [54:50]
Terron Armstead
What?
- [54:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. Now.
- [54:52]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Basically, he said the situation was a big fan of Joe, the defensive coordinator. He said the re. They traded him because it was a salary cap issue. Now, they didn't save a whole lot of money, maybe a couple of hundred thousand dollars, but moving forward. Cause you got who you got coming up. Ocho, you got that big dog up front.
- [55:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [55:12]
Terron Armstead
Jalen.
- [55:12]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Jalen Carter.
- [55:13]
Shannon Sharpe
Jalen Carter.
- [55:15]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's going to take some break.
- [55:16]
Simba
Big bread.
- [55:17]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
And then you got. You're going to have brother. You're going to have brother. Mitchell, he going to be coming up. You're going to have Cooper. Dejan, he going to be coming up, right?
- [55:26]
Shannon Sharpe
So they clean the house.
- [55:28]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
So, you know. But it happened, bro. You got a ring. You got an opportunity to come back. You got a ring, and somebody wanted you. When somebody trades for you, T, let me know what you think about this. T. When somebody trades for you, they're telling you they want you. Okay? The other team didn't want me, but this new team traded for me. They gave up something to get me. So clearly they see the value in me, even if the whole team doesn't.
- [55:55]
Terron Armstead
Yeah. Cj. Cj, he real passionate, man. He's. He's very vocal. That's. That's his. That's his. His biggest attribute, his passion. The way that he played the game is like. That's how he is off the field, too, though. He's. He's very. He's very vocal, very passionate. So if it's a way that he's feeling, you really can't convince him otherwise. So, like, even though that the Houston Texans did want him, they wanted him, they traded for him, they gave away compensation for him to be a part of their team. CJ's still gonna let. Let Philly know how he feel. That's just. That's just how he is. That's how you are.
- [56:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, Uncle. You know, I talked to C. I talk to CJ all the time, man. CJ and I are really close.
- [56:28]
Terron Armstead
Like.
- [56:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Like T said, he's very passionate about. Especially about the way the game. The game of football in general, the way it is and some of the things that. That. That he knows is going on. I. I think he allows that passion and love for the game. He forgets that his business at the.
- [56:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
End of the day, always has been, always will be.
- [56:47]
Terron Armstead
That's a fact.
- [56:47]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
It's tough, though. It's tough when you devote so much. You know, like you said, T, think about it. You getting out there and you can't walk until Wednesday, and you out there hollering and you doing everything you can to give them everything you can, and then they do something like this.
- [57:01]
Terron Armstead
So I treasure.
- [57:02]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, I definitely get it. That's the question I'm trying.
- [57:07]
Simba
Something I wanted to ask all three of you guys, like, what is it like kind of being married to a situation, you may have bought a home in this city or whatever it may be, you raised a family here, and because it's time to blow it up, and we want to get younger players in. What's that like, that transition? Like having to know you gotta leave.
- [57:28]
Shannon Sharpe
You understand it. You understand it, Sam? Like, I already knew at some point, I knew my time was coming. I didn't know when that day would be, but obviously I was able to squeeze out 10 years. Normally, 10 years is your cutoff point, no matter how good you are. If you go down the list of some of the great receivers, there have been very few that stayed on one team for a very long time. The two that I could think of, maybe the longest, might have been Jerry Rice and Larry Gerald. Jerry at some point left, but Larry from Gerald's one of the few I could think of that stayed at one organization for a very long time. I knew my time was coming. So while I was there, wherever I was, at whatever cars I was dealt Wildfin to play my hand, see him, I had fun. So when that time did come, you know, I was at Peace with it. Because I understood the business side of it, which is why I chose to have fun instead. Because I understood the politics and business side that came with it.
- [58:16]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You know, it's gonna happen, but it doesn't make any easier, right, because of what you or what you give to that organization. All those pain killing injections that I took, all that, all, all that, those, those tour doll shots that I took just to be able to go play. And now I have one down year. You're like, oh, yeah, we good. Seven consecutive Pro bowls, first team, all pros, three a thousand yard, all that, man, it's tough. I ain't lied to you. Hey, T, I ain't gonna tell you no light yet. That is. I'm like, bro, damn. I thought I was gonna be one of them. John Elwood, I'm gonna give me 12, 13, 14. With one 13.
- [58:53]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, no, it's real. It's real simple. For real. Just. And just to add to what Ocho and Unc is saying, especially it's today's media and Adam Schefter and Ian Rappaport, them guys get the news before you do. You know what I mean? So that's the part that I've seen be really impactful negatively to some players. I had one of my teammates here in the Saints, he was a running back, and we, bro, we chilling in training camp, playing a game, and he just scrolling on Twitter, bro, he just got released by the Saints. He had no idea. Like, no idea. And it was real. He got released. They kept one of the rookie running backs that they had drafted, so on Twitter, he had no idea. You know what I mean? That's the part that hurt.
- [59:38]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
The fact of the matter is what Ocho and I, we go around sometime, I'm like, bro, when Adam Shefter and these guys be talking, where you think they're getting that from? They getting that from the teams. They're getting that from the general manager. They're getting that from owners, they're getting that from player personnel director. They're getting that from NFL sources. Oh, they don't know. Yes, they do. I mean, Adam Schefter making, you know, lot lots of money. These, these insiders, they make a lot of money and they built up great relationships because. And this is why they say anonymous. This is why they say sources, because the moment they give up one source, they're done. I hope you've made a lot of money because if you give up one source, nobody will ever go on record with you again. Nobody will ever tell you ish. That's why Adam Schefter got all those phones. That's why he taking calls. He's live on air taking calls. There ain't no dummy calls, trust me.
- [60:30]
Simba
That's crazy. That's why I got so much love for the King. You know, we see eye to eye when it come to King James, unc.
- [60:35]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [60:36]
Simba
I got so much love for the King because these organizations got the ability to move you where they want you to be, but you never kind of got the opportunity to pick where you want to go.
- [60:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [60:46]
Terron Armstead
But let me ask you one question. I'm gonna get out you guys way going. Just going through your discography, man. What's it like to have a song with the legendary dmx, man?
- [60:58]
Simba
Honestly, bro, Like, I can't. I can't tell you, because the way that happened, I really wasn't involved on the process of that. That was Joyner Lucas thing, and him and X had a relationship, and right before X had passed, I believe that might have been the last verse. Joyner told me that he might have laid before he passed, but they had a great relationship, and they had laid a song. And one day Joyner hit me, and he was like, yo, I got this joint. Me and X did. I want you to get on it. And of course, I was honored to be a part of it. It's X. I grew up trying to be like X, from rapping like him to trying to act like I'm in Exit Wounds, you know? So it was just a blessing to be a part of it. Honestly, man, I'm dope, man.
- [61:45]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yeah, well, T, I know you got to get out of here, man. I appreciate that, man. We appreciate your time.
- [61:50]
Terron Armstead
Appreciate you guys.
- [61:51]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Good looking out. And when you get some more time, hey, stop back by with us again, man. We'd love to have.
- [61:55]
Terron Armstead
Course, man. Appreciate you guys.
- [61:58]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Hold on. What you got? Hey, tell us about the YouTube channel you're getting ready to launch.
- [62:04]
Terron Armstead
Oh, yeah. Just really, man, being a big fan of you guys, showing everything you guys doing. I'm. I'm looking to get into my own. I want to talk o line. I want to talk o line. D line. Get some details of the trenches, how Kobe and Peyton Manning had the detail show and they really broke down what they're seeing and how they analyze the game. I want to be one of those people and kind of really take over that avenue for O line. D line to where it's easily digestible so I can be an educator in that space. So, you know, what technique is used, you know, who that sack is on and how it happened. You know what I mean? That's going to be a part of my YouTube show. So Toronto upstairs show coming soon. Man, I appreciate you guys.
- [62:43]
Shannon Sharpe
It has.
- [62:44]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
You already got a partner.
- [62:45]
Simba
Can't wait.
- [62:45]
Terron Armstead
We. We got some. We got some things in the work.
- [62:51]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you got. You got to talk, you know Big Willie Anderson, huh?
- [62:55]
Terron Armstead
Yeah, for sure.
- [62:56]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. I mean, yeah, we really would be real good in that space. Especially. Especially from an informative standpoint, playing a. Playing O line position, man. He's really gonna be there.
- [63:05]
Terron Armstead
For sure.
- [63:07]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [63:08]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
All right. Well, T, we really appreciate that his YouTube show launched on June 17. He's going to break down. It's going to be the final points of O line and D line play. What actually happened. The set, quick set, jump set. He watched the stab, he dropped down, he played for the bull. He. Ben, all of that stuff. So all the good stuff that. The intricate stuff that a lot of people don't talk about, you'll be able to get that on Teron's YouTube channel. So check it out. It's launching June 17th. T, appreciate your time, man. And when you get an opportunity, stop back by with us, bro.
- [63:41]
Simba
Shout out to T. Appreciate it.
- [63:43]
Terron Armstead
Something.
- [63:43]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
Yep.
- [63:45]
Terron Armstead
The volume.
- [63:49]
Chad Ochocinco Johnson
This is an I heart podcast.