Nightcap Hour 1: Unc & Ocho are FED UP with Jaxon Dart taking DUMB hits + Dillon Gabriel’s FIANCEE talks TRASH about Shedeur + FIERY DEBATE on if Jerry Jeudy is a #1 WR + Eagles’ Kevin Patella NEEDS SECURITY

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 1 (Dec 2, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this lively episode of Nightcap Hour 1, Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down NFL Week 13 action and college football headlines with their signature mix of humor, insight, and strong opinions. The duo analyzes key on-field storylines—from quarterbacks taking unnecessary risks to viral off-field drama—before diving into a fiery debate about what constitutes a "true" No.1 receiver in today’s NFL and addressing the wild antics of passionate (sometimes too passionate) fans. Throughout, the co-hosts riff off each other, providing laughs and behind-the-scenes perspective from their own playing days.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Patriots vs Giants Recap: Drake May’s Emerging Brilliance

• [03:00]–[11:00] Shannon and Ocho open with a detailed Patriots-Giants postgame review. Sharpe praises the Patriots’ rookie QB Drake May’s poised performance (24/31, 282 yds, 2 TDs), noting his advanced field vision and willingness to take shots downfield.
  • “I do not believe the Giants is as far [off] as people think they are. I think that the quarterback can be special… he just gotta be smart. It’s better to be smart than tough, trust me.” — Shannon Sharpe [03:30]
• Emphasis on the importance of quarterbacks learning to protect themselves, specifically criticizing Jaxon Dart's risky play style.
• Ocho emphasizes May’s accuracy and confidence, especially on deep attempts. “He is insanely accurate with the ball as well, not just scared to let it rip.” — Ochocinco [12:03]
• Both hosts highlight that the Patriots are talent-rich even without superstar receivers, crediting offensive scheming and depth.

2. Protecting Quarterbacks: The Jaxon Dart Saga

• [09:02]–[10:55] Sharpe zeroes in on Jaxon Dart's dangerous habit of not avoiding big hits.
  • "He needs to learn to protect himself and know when the journey's over. It's okay to step out of bounds, it's okay to slide…" — Ochocinco [09:27]
• Team potential hinges on Dart learning when not to risk his health.

3. Coaching Matters: Josh McDaniels' Influence

• [11:22]–[15:35] Both hosts gush about McDaniels’ ability to elevate any quarterback.
  • “Josh McDaniels doesn’t have to take a back seat to any [offensive coordinator]… he’s had success with every quarterback he’s touched.” — Ochocinco [13:46]
• Highlights McDaniels’ track record with QBs beyond Tom Brady—including Matt Jones, Jimmy Garoppolo, and now Drake May.

4. Kicker Blunders & Pressure

• [15:42]–[18:02] The duo reacts to a missed kick by Younghoe Koo, comparing the moment to Charlie Brown and Lucy.
  • "We ain’t seen nobody miss the whole damn ball!" — Shannon [16:21]
  • The conversation spins into the psychological fragility of kickers, parallels with other athletes who’ve lost their mental edge, and why teams can’t tolerate unreliability at the position.
  • “Games are won and lost on your goddamn leg… you don’t have opportunity to be making those kind of mistakes, especially in games of importance.” — Ochocinco [22:02]

5. Giants’ Roster Building & Abdul Carter’s Discipline Issues

• [24:38]–[29:11] Assessing Giants’ young defensive core, transitions into the topic of rookie Abdul Carter repeatedly getting benched for discipline.
  • "This is professional football… there are greater expectations of you, Abdul Carter." — Shannon [27:19]
• Chad and Shannon reminisce about legendary defenders, with Sharpe making a strong case for Lawrence Taylor as GOAT defensive player:
  • “LT is the greatest football player ever because he made two positions famous.” — Shannon [28:07]

6. Social Media Drama: Dillon Gabriel’s Fiancée vs. Shedeur Sanders

• [35:04]–[45:06] Shannon and Ocho dissect the viral story where Dillon Gabriel's fiancée publicly complains about her fiancé not playing over Shedeur Sanders and gets into social media beef.
  • "You have to be careful now…there’s this platform called social media that can disseminate information across the world instantaneously." — Shannon [37:24]
• Both stress that public comments by significant others put players in a tough spot with coaches, teammates, and the media.
  • “Everything you say that's related to football is going to be tied back to him... you might have your own mind, but they're going to tie it back to him.” — Shannon [45:13]
• Ochocinco notes: "Some understand they have to play the background…then there are some that want to be front and center. It depends on who you’re dating." [47:36]

7. Jerry Jeudy Debate: Is He Really a Number 1 Receiver?

• [49:57]–[61:44] Sparks fly as Ocho and Shannon argue fiercely over whether Jerry Jeudy is a #1 WR.
  • Ocho: “Being able to get open, beat man-to-man and create separation—that’s all I need…Jerry Jeudy can do that.” [54:48]
  • Shannon: “You can name 20, 25 receivers better than him…he’s a solid 2, not a 1.” [55:21], later citing Jeudy’s league lead in drops.
• The discussion turns to what actually defines a “true top receiver” (defensive game-planning, consistent performance vs. raw skill).
  • "They build a game plan to stop you…Are they building gameplans to stop Jerry Jeudy? You know damn well they're not." — Shannon [56:36]
• Ocho protests that quarterbacks, offensive systems, and situation matter for a receiver’s production.

8. Philly Fan Passion: Kevin Patullo’s House Egged

• [62:44]–[71:23] Eagles offensive coordinator Kevin Patullo had his house egged after the team’s struggles.
  • “I love the Philly fans…They travel well, they support their team through thick and thin...but goddamn, this is the same fan base that threw snowballs at Santa Claus.” — Ochocinco [63:07]
  • Hosts agree fans sometimes go too far; property damage is never justified, though passion is recognized.
  • Discussion of Jalen Hurts, Philly’s offensive woes, and how hard it is to repeat as Super Bowl champions.
  • "You get guys wanting to do more when what they did last time was enough. So everybody wants to be the reason why." — Shannon [69:42]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On protecting QBs:

  “He’s got to learn to protect himself and know when the journey’s over. It’s okay to step out of bounds, it’s okay to slide…”
  — Ochocinco [09:27]

• On Jerry Jeudy vs. true WR1s:

  "They build a game plan to stop Ochocinco. They build a game plan to stop Shannon Sharpe. [Jerry Jeudy] is not a number one."
  — Shannon [56:36] “90% of the chat say he’s not one—90% of the chat can’t cover me!”
  — Ochocinco [61:48]

• On social media & family drama:

  “Everything you say that's related to football is going to be tied back to him… that’s not fair to him.”
  — Shannon [45:13]

• On Philly fans egging Patullo’s house:

  “They told me the economy was bad and we got people out here wasting eggs… This is the same fanbase that threw snowballs at Santa Claus.”
  — Ochocinco [63:07]
  “You have a right to be upset—boo all you want—but don’t damage the man’s property.”
  — Shannon [64:41]

• Gravity of Super Bowl expectations:

  "People think Super Bowls are easy… It’s hard. It’s not something that’s easy to do because you have so much turnover."
  — Shannon [68:41]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:00] Patriots vs. Giants breakdown
• [09:02] Jaxon Dart’s risky play style
• [11:22] Josh McDaniels’ coaching genius
• [15:42] Kicker fails & mental pressure
• [24:38] Giants’ roster and Abdul Carter discipline
• [27:19] LT as greatest ever defender
• [35:04] Dillon Gabriel’s fiancée drama
• [49:57] Jerry Jeudy: WR1 debate explodes
• [62:44] Kevin Patullo house gets egged — Philly fan fury
• [68:41] Why it’s so hard to repeat as Super Bowl champs

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Tone & Style

The episode is marked by the hosts’ distinctive banter, playful jabs, and deep football insight, balanced with moments of sincerity—especially when reflecting on how off-field actions impact players and teams. Ocho’s player-first, technical take often bumps heads with Shannon’s veteran, pragmatic wisdom, creating lively, informative exchanges. The vibe is energetic, unfiltered, and often hilarious, making the analysis approachable even as they dig into high-level football nuance.

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This summary captures the main storylines, debates, and unique moments for anyone wanting a complete, dynamic recap of the show.

Transcript

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hit it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, hit it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to rock right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, how, how, how, how much we won?

[Shannon Sharpe]

$25.125Little criminal money.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, that's nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every little thing of help. Cuz I told him Santa Claus got laid off. Ain't no criminal coming this year. Santa Claus. Santa Claus got laid off. But that was a, A very Levin. Oh, yeah. Trayvon Harris. Oh, yeah. He went over because he rushed and receiving, rushing and receiving. Oh. So as I mentioned before, the Patriots beat the Giants by the score of 33 to 15. New England led 30 to 7 at the half. Giant special teams, guess what? Marcus Jones, who will be the all pro returner this year, a 94 yard point return to really break it open. And Christian Ellis. Boy, he. Ocho, I told you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I told you last night. You say he go. I said, ocho, he ain't learned his lesson yet.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't learned how he went flying. Yeah. When you see a guy going flying like that, that means he's totally relaxed. He didn't brace himself. So he's right. Because when they teach you to sprint, what they tell you to do?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Relax. Relax.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he's totally relaxed. This is the only time they get you're a runner.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They can't hit you. Not like that. No other time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're not going to pull up. They are going to try to unload. And boy, he had a, a Jackson dart. Must have an air tag on him because, boy, when he honed in on him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't even know what an air tag is, but I hear people talking about it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hear people talking about air tags and they can find somebody's location. Well, when he found his location and then guess what, Ocho, you came on the kickoff.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go to sleep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he caught him. Hey, Jackson dart has to be safe. He has to be safe. He's a special player. He's going to be Special what he can do when he has the ball in his hands. I've been able to extend plays, make things happen off a script, outside of the scheme, outside of the plays that are called. He's going to be good, but he has to learn to protect himself and know when the journey's over. Knowing it's okay to step out of bounds, it's okay to slide. You don't have to be taking on db. You don't have to take on linebackers and prove that you're tough. That team. That team is going to be good once they get Malik back, once they get scatterable back, they going to be nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think they have to make it, maybe get. Maybe get a playmaking safety or corner, maybe an offensive line, but. Because I think they have the pieces, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do think they have pieces. Yeah. The Patriots are really, really good. The one thing, they're really, really well coached. We know that about Brady.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We saw that in Tennessee. Tennessee. Y' all made a big mistake. Y' all made a big mistake. You should have never let this man out of the building. Coaches like him don't come along often. No, you let Derrick Henry out the building. You let A.J. brown. Excuse me. Out of the building. Yeah, you. You can't keep having turnover like that. You can't be personal. I mean, because you. You get. If you get too involved as an owner, it becomes personal. You gonna get rid of the guy. And I think that's why the Patriots were so. Was lasted so long, right? Is that Mr. Kraft stayed away. He didn't let his personal feeling, what he thought about Coach Belichick get involved, and then you can let things blossom the way they be. But, man, when you look at them, Drake made 24, 24, 31oo, 282, two touchdowns. You got a 29. Carrot, a buck 20, a buck 19. Hunter Henry, four for 73. Randre Stevenson, three for 30, three for four. Excuse me. Boot had four for 35 and one. Kyle Williams had one for 33 and one touch. They are very good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Very good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, they ain't got nobody that. They don't got no big name receivers that jump off the board at you. They ain't got. Hey, Drake Mayor, but they got that guy. Yeah, see if you got that guy, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't. I don't think people understand how good Drake May has been. Like, obviously, I knew he was good. I didn't know he was this good. Huh? Yeah, I didn't know he was good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I Agree.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think he's. No, he has a completion percentage of about almost damn near 70. Yeah, 70 dating back to last year. And I'm not talking about 70 completion percentage. Throwing screen, not bubble screens, not check downs, not throwing to the running back. Plays over 20 yards, 20 yards or better. And that lets me know for one, he's not scared to let it rip.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not only is he not scared to let it rip, he is insanely accurate with the ball as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, so.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you know what I like about the receiving core? You say they don't have a superstar receiver. They don't have a. A true number one. But every. Every game somebody else shows up. Every game is somebody else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? The guys fit. Yes, they fit.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at. He had three completions over 30 yards. He had a 36 yard to Hunter Henry, a 36 yard to Ramandre Stevens. Yes. And he had a third 33 yard to Kyle Williams. He. He had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. He had nine completions of at least 10 yards. So that tells me oo that he's unafraid to push the ball down the field.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, there gonna be times you screen the ball. Ocho, I get that. You're gonna run screen to the running back. You're gonna run a. A smoke screen or jailbreak screen, bubble screen, whatever they call them now. You're gonna run that. But at the end of the day, at some point in time, you're gonna have to take chances down the field. You're gonna have to push the ball down the field. And he's unafraid to push the ball down the field. Give Josh McDaniels extreme credit. Look, he might not be a great head coach, but he's an unbelievable offensive coordinator.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Unbelievable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Very good. Unbelievable. He puts guys in the right position and everybody has flourished under him. Look, I throw Tom Brady out cuz Tom Brady flourished under everybody. But when you look at what he's done with Matt Jones, you look at what he did with Jimmy Garoppolo. You look at what he did with Jacobe Brissette, you look at what he did with Matt Jones. Now you look at what he's doing with Drake May.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Drake May. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

His ability to get the quarterback to understand what he's. What he's want. And the quarterback to be an extension of the offensive coordinator on the field.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is second to none there a lot. Look, Kyle Shanahan and Shawn McVeigh and Andy Reed. But Josh McDaniel doesn't have to take a Back seat to any of them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, absolutely not. Because he has success with every quarterback he's touched. Every quarterback he's had to deal with, they've had success with on the field. And like you said, the quarterback has always been an extension of of him. And outside of, you know, the goat being Tom Brady, the fact that he's been able to do it with everyone he's been a part of says a lot about him being the quarterback whisperer.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And wasn't he the guy. Was he, was he the. Was he the OC with Matt Castle?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, I'm not sure. Was, was it, was it, was it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him or it was him? But because that then he end up going to Denver, if I'm not mistaken.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, and he was, he was the head, he was the head coach in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Denver cuz Charlie Weiss left and went to Notre Dame.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Was it that have been 2000 and they lost the Super bowl in 07.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You sure? You sure? Wasn't him. Wasn't he Bill O'? Brien? Which one?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying. It might have been him or it might have been him or Bill o'. Brien. Right. But he left and went to the Broncos.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It was ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He might have went to the Broncos in nine though. Yeah. Oh, eight was McD. So it was him that lost that, that the Super Bowl. Who, who lost the Super Bowl? Bill o'. Brien. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So it's he, he, he. His ability to, to. To have a vision of what he want his offense to look like and to communicate that with the quarterback and get the quarterback on the same wavelength so they see things eye to eye. Yes, he's. He's. He's unbelievable. Like I said, he's had. He's been a lot of places as a head coach and yeah, his. It doesn't work but play calling when he's just responsible for one thing. Yeah. Offense. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he. Listen, he's one of the best. He's one of the best.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We saw something tonight, Ocho. I hadn't seen this since Peanuts. The last time I see somebody miss a ball like this, it was Charlie Brown, but Lucy moved it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait a minute. What happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did you see the kicker?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you talking about my dog, Young ho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. I'm not sure, but you got to keep your eye on the ball. You got to keep your eye on the ball. Now listen, me as a kicker, you know, I understand the one thing you do you should never be able to make miss a Kick. You should never be able to stub your toe. It's all about the foot. Hand. I'm talking about the foot. The foot and eye coordination.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You. You do that so often. How does that even happen?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not by Ocho. Okay, let's. Because we've seen guys, they get too much of the ground and they kick the ball and it doesn't go through. We ain't seen nobody miss the whole damn ball. And just don't. Don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the holder looking back to hold it, like. Hold on. You got me down in this down position. They about to tear my ass up. Let me get up out of here.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. I've never seen that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I've never seen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

In all my years of playing football, I've seen him. I've seen him hit the dirt like. Like, you know when you. When you swing the tee and you catch the dirt before you. You hit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes, I've seen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I've seen that. But actually stub your toe and not even make contact with the ball at all. That's the first I. I saw.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, I've seen guys kick the ball low and kick the guy in the ass. They're snapping the ball to him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've seen guys get hit in the head with the ball. That's kicking it. But I've never. He missed the entire ball. Oo. He wasn't even close to kicking the ball.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, not even close. Not even close.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I'm with. Jackson dart. Jackson dart. Like, what the. Yeah, that's what I said, too. That's exactly what I said. Yeah. What the f. I'm like, bro, I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm. I'm hoping. I'm hoping that that doesn't cost him. That doesn't cost him his job.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He lost his job in Atlant in Atlanta.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Missing kicks somewhere else and shank some kicks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, it's. It. Look, you have to have mental toughness to play a professional sport and to be good at it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when you get them demons as a kicker, right? It's like a golfer. You get the gifts. David Duvall in Baker Finch. You see guys? You see guys? Second baseman Chuck loblock. They couldn't throw the ball to second. First base. They play in second base.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They couldn't throw it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he was a pitcher. He had to move to the outfield on show because he couldn't get.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Get the ball across the plate.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you got a problem, Monk. You got a. You got a problem. You have to understand certain. Certain positions on the football field. Certain positions, they get chances over and over and over to prove themselves. Kickers. Games are one and lost on your goddamn leg. Games are one and loss. And you can change the trajectory of a game and it's ending on your leg. You don't have opportunity to be making those kind of mistakes, and especially in games of importance. Now, it's a bad thing that the. The goddamn giants are 2 and 11. So I mean, it. It doesn't. Does. It doesn't make any sense. But, but. But coaches want consistency at that one position. If I have to be able to count on one thing, it's having a kicker that can be consistent for me and always give us points once we get in field goal range.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They might not be good right now, but I want to be around when they do get good so I get an opportunity to kick. Ah, but doing stuff like this here Guess what, Ocho? They saying I got to go into the market. I got to get me another. I got to get me a kicker.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because the one we don't. The one that we have, he isn't reliable.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I've got to be able to count on you, because more times than not, these are one possession games.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You might have to kick the ball to get us into overtime. You might have to win it. We don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I need to be able to trust you. I can't go out there. Lord have mercy. Please let him make this kick. Every time you go out there. I mean, I might have to pray every once in a while, but if I got to pray every time you go, I got to pray for the pat. I got to pray for the field goal. I got to pray you don't kick it out of bounds.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's true. I mean, you know, praying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lord, don't, don't. Don't take this the wrong way. I don't mind praying, but I. I want to use some of those prayers for something beneficial.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, right. You know what? You know, it's funny, too, also, when it comes to kickers in the NFL, I know there's 32 of them. They're 32 teams, they're 32 kickers. But they just like quarterbacks. Huh? They're like. They're just like. I'm talking about the good quarterbacks. I ain't. I'm. I'm not talking about you. You know, your regular, Your Aubry's in Dallas, your CAM Willis, your McPhersons, you know, those top dudes. It's hard to find those that are consistent. Hell, if you play for the goddamn Cowboys, you. You get to the 50. 50 yard line. Wait, you're not even. No, you get to the 40 yard line, not even your 40.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you're in range. Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You in range. Nick Pearson, Cincinnati kicker, He just hit 65 not too long ago. You get to the 50, you in range?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Cam Little hit a 68 yarder.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cam Little. I said. Yeah, Cam. That's what I meant. Cam Little out here. Hey, man, come on, man. It's only a few of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You right, but. Yeah, yeah, that was. That was a. Like I said, I could be in the minority chat, but I don't think the Giants, as far as people think they are. No, I think they got Guy. I think, you know, Brian Burns and Dexter Lawrence coming along. Uh, Thibodeau is out fiber, though, normally. Was he out today? Cause I didn't see him. I Didn't see him. I think he's hurt. Uh, I don't know if he's gonna be back. I. I don't know. I don't know if they picked up his option, Ocho, his fifth year option. So I don't. I'm not sure he's gonna be back. And then plus the fact that you got Abdul Carter, you took him with the, what, second pick? Third. Third pick in the draft. So there's a likelihood that you're probably going to move on from Thibodeau. I'm not sure. Yeah, but you got Brian Burns, who you played a lot of money for. You got a lot of money tied up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He got a lot of. He got a lot of sacks, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now who.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That Brian Burns?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you got pieces that you can build around. You gotta. Like I said, Dexter Lawrence is the top defensive lineman.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got Brian Burns, who's the top edge rusher. You drafted Abdul Carter with the hopes that he could be the opposite of Brian Burns. So you have guys that could play off each other, like the Broncos got Benito and Cooper, or you got Verse and you got Young at the Rams. You got guys that can play off of each other. Yeah. And so you. Hey, you slide the protection one way. I get one on one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, somebody gotta eat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just. I think. I think the Giants are really, really close. I just think the quarterback needs to be a little smarter, live to see another day. You got to know when the journey is over, right? Everything. Hey, everything. I get it. If it's a situation like in the super bowl where John had to do the helicopter, that's one thing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But in a game like this here, you're on the sideline, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go out of bounds and be 2 yards short as opposed to get the first down and take that shot, bro. You're not built for that. You're not built to take those kind of shots.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, not. Not at all. Not at all. Hey, he's excited. No, he's. He's exciting to watch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. Mike Kafka was asked why Abdul Carter didn't play the first quarter. It was just my decision not to play him. This is the second time in three weeks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you got draft the guy. The third pick in the draft. Ain't no way. You just make a decision to arbitrarily sit him out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, obviously something happened that was. It was discipline. This discipline reasons. We don't know exactly what it was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, he Got disciplined a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. What's not resonating to him?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. I don't know. I don't know. I. I don't know. You know, you know, remember he fell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Asleep and missed the walkthrough?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you know, hey, things happen. Yada, yada, yada. It ain't gonna happen again. Lesson learned. Boom, boom, boom. Right here we are basically two, three inside of a month.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And we got this again. Ocho, what is it that he's not getting, bro? This is professional football. United Penn State. You're not at Penn State. And you can get away with that at Penn State because you were the guy. There are greater expectations of you. Abdul Carter.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This man, think about it now. This man said, you know What? I want 56. Well, if I can't get 56, let me get the double hockey sticks. Let me, Let me get. Let me get 11.

[Chad Ochocinco]

11.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do he understands what those jerseys mean.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And what it would.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, 56, you ain't gonna name. You can't name. You can't name two. First of all, I think LT is the greatest defensive player ever. Yeah. I can make a case. LT is the greatest football player ever. Just give me a little time. I'll let you debate who you want to debate.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You could take Brady, you could take Peyton, you could take Jerry, and I can make a case that Lawrence Taylor is the greatest football player ever because he's the guy. He made two position famous. No other player has made two position famous. He made the edge rusher famous and he made the left tackle famous because if you couldn't get a left tackle to block him, you couldn't beat the Giants. And if you couldn't find an edge rush like LT to rush the quarterback, you couldn't put pressure on the quarterback. Yeah. So he made two position famous. Go back and start. Like I said. I know, look. Lt, you know, the drugs and all that other stuff, and he had some stuff off the field after. After his career.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I don't think people realize there are a lot of guys that's won three defensive player of the years and stuff. People don't realize how good LT was. They don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do. Not real. I mean, whoever you think the best foot, but the best defensive player that you've seen with your own eyes, if you're under the age of 40, whoever the best player is, make a case, and I'll make a case for L.T. and you, when I'm done, you're like, yeah, L.T. the best.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man, whoever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think there have been some fabulous. I played in the era with lt, with Reggie, with Ruth, with Time, with Ray Lewis, with Mike Singletary, with Leslie o', Neal, Howie Long. I played in the league with some great ones.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, but he different. He different. He set the bar. He set the standard for that position in general.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tell you what, when you name your top five defensive players, he ain't never left off that list.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No. And most of the time he's number one. Most of the time he's one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're absolutely right. But man, look at Ocho watching, watching the Patriots and seeing how disciplined and how well coached they are.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What? Hey, you know, everything is easy when you have a quarterback too, huh? Oh, you understand that when you have a quarterback like that, that with his decision making is as good, as good as it, as good as it is, man. Goddamn. But listen, Josh McDaniels, I, I, I, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it is like. Everything fits over there. Offensively, not only do you have a quarterback, you have the, the, the pieces, the complimentary pieces that fit just right. You understand how to put each player in the right positions to play to their strengths and hide their weaknesses, if there are any. But every player has weaknesses.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, for sure. Yes, yes. You play to a player's strength and you stay away from his weaknesses as much as you possibly can.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And Josh has mastered that. And Drake may is having a effing ball doing so them boys 11 and 2. Man, Drake is in his sophomore. Drake. It's his sophomore year, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. They won 10 games after losing the pre. After losing the previous year, they lost 13. Only the 99 Colts. Cause when Peyton got there, they lost all those games. In the next year, they were the number one seed in the afc.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, now that's crazy. That's crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but when you have that guy, when you have that guy, when you have that one foundational piece.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, I can build anything on a solid foundation.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But that's all, that's all it is. That's all it takes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Och. Ocho. I bet Hard Knocks wishing they were following the Cleveland Browns around this year. Now.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Is Dylan Gabriel's significant other jumping into the drama.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Whoa, what happened?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tick tock. Saying my fiance Dylan is not playing. I have thoughts about that, but I'm not gonna share it. She then captioned another with Brown's lost what's new. But then this is. He got into a disagreement with a commenter on a post and wrote actually everyone in the building wants him to play. But you wouldn't know because you're never been into the NFL or coach, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, you, you know, you. I mean, listen, we see this all the time. We see family, family members display their frustrations whatever they may be really not understanding how the game works, you know, the ins and outs of it. And you know, she wants her fiance to be on the field. You know, he. He's not on the field. Shador has been chosen to be the quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She knows everybody in the building wants him to play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, they don't. They've been on the news for how long?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm asking you, how does she know that unless somebody pillow talking.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I tell you what. Let Charles let when using Cincinnati.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let Chauncey say, man, my brother ain't getting the ball. They need to throw the ball of my ball or trade it, right? What you tell me what you think the people in Cincinnati and what the Bingo's organization gonna think. Where did that come from?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that, that. Did I say something?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you be. I say something? You know they came that came from you that even if it didn't, that's what they're going to believe, right? That's why I always tell family, friends and loved ones, be mindful of what you say because whether they said it or not is going back to them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I mean we, you know, that's his wife. You know, they have those conversations. I'm sure he does. Of course I want to play. Of course I want to start. You know, you, you go home and who's the one, who's the one person you have peace and convent to when it comes to. Would you. Oh, honey, how is your day at work? Well, I ain't starting. Those are conversations that I had between a couple, a husband and wife, a fiance, you know, I mean, that, that's, that's normal. And she's venting and her frustrations about. Oh, damn, here we go. What's new? We done lost again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you have to be careful now. OO because back then there was no social media that your significant other could go to. Ah. Now there's this platform.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Called social media.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That they can go to and disseminate information all across the world and instantaneous. So even if you were to send and then hit delete, it's gone.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, it's too late.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's gone.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's too late. Once you hit s a wrap.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Lord have mercy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just, I just wish people understood that it's a. It, it makes it put Dylan in a bad spot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because I don't believe. See, when she said the locker, when she said. Hold on, what did you say? Actually the building. When she say the building, I don't think, I think it's from locker room up. I don't think it's the locker room down. I don't think it's the locker room. I think it's from above the locker room up the building. I think that's the executive. I think that's the front office.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. We already know, we already know that though. We already know that based on the words versus based on things that have been said, you know, you know that part. But down, down below where it really matters, the meat potatoes of the team. You, you. I, I don't need this, I don't need to say no more because I, I can't throw anybody else under the bus, you know, like, like I slipped up long time ago. I, I don't want to do that again. But, but you. That's. That's what they, that's what they want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's what they want inside that building. The people that's going to war. And I'm not telling you what, I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What I don't understand is that people need to Understand, you're not the center of attention. If you weren't dating Dylan Gabriel, how many people you think would know who she is? That's what anybody, unless you Taylor Swift. Now, Taylor Swift is a different animal. Everybody know who she is, even if she does not date and draft, right? But when you look at it, Sierra Russ, okay, that's a different. That's a different dynamic.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when we're talking about somebody that doesn't have that name, that name or brand recognition that you only know. Oh, that's Dylan Gabriel, fiance, Right. Oh, that's such a. That's Ocho's wife, man. That's Ocho's significant other. So anything that gets said out of her mouth, that at Coral, that relates back to football, right? Ocho talking ass. That's how it is. I'm sorry. It's just like stuff at work, when stuff come back to work. Oh, I told you that. I told you that. I've seen situations get messy because something got said in the locker room. Somebody went back and told their wife or girlfriend now, and it got it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And it got all over the place, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All over the place.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know where it came from because we talked about it in the locker room.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Locker room. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't none of them. Ain't none of the wives, girlfriends, significant others, fiance's or whatever they want to be within the locker room to hear. So one of you mofo said it running your mind. And in that group, it ain't but a small group. It ain't like we talking aloud across the, across the room, huh? We're talking in a small group. Four or five. Yeah. Oh, so we're on the practice field.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's easy to pinpoint who says something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I always ask somebody, hey, man, Sean, let me tell you something. I'd be like, okay, who else you told? Man, I ain't told nobody. Because I don't want you to tell somebody else. And then they get out and then you talk about. I ain't tell nobody. But shop you a damn lie. Because if you already told somebody else, don't tell me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's. It's Chad. It's just about. It's just a. A bad spot to put your significant other in, in the locker room. Because I'm telling you how athletes think. Be it football, basketball, baseball. When something gets out and if team related, they like what. She, she must have heard him say that. He's saying that even if it's not true. She could have just been going out on a whim on her own and saying how she feels. Dylan might not have said anything, but they're still going to attach it. It's just like anything else. If somebody does something, the first part, the first place they go. Look.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, you see that? Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, why you got my jersey, Ocho?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Why you got my jerseys? Hey, listen, hey, hey, when I. Hey, let me tell you something. When I, When I. Hold on. Let me tell you how I got the jerk. Hold on. Hey, see, when you was out of town, right, when you were traveling and you were doing them alcohol. Hey, listen, you were doing one of them alcohol signings, and I had to break in your house, right? And I had to steal my trophies. Dude, I, I, I snatched one of these jerseys up off of you. I snatched one of these jerseys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How about we make a trade, huh? How about we make a trade?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, don't worry about it. I'm gonna keep this. I'm gonna keep this. I'm. I mean, I'mma keep this for the rest of my trophies. Hey, this the real deal, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Look at the sleeves.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, so I got the home in the way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

High tide.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I tell you what. When you send the rest of my awards, I got you. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate this. Hey, hey. It's heavy. It's stitched up, too. This the real deal, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, hold on. You see what that. Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. We. We look about the same. See the guns? Yes, sir. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just. Chad, it's kind of like, oh, if somebody in jail and they escape. What's the word? The first, the first place they go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Is where they mama, they.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't got no. He gotta be going there, girl. Hey, think about somebody saying something and it has to do with the locker room. The first. Even if, Even like I said, Ocho, even if that's her, even if those are her own thoughts and she, I, I like to believe she's smart enough and she can have her own thoughts, Right? But that's not what people are going to believe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, not, not at all. And I don't, I don't think she's thinking about it that way anyway. She was just more so expressing her feelings based on how she feels about. Want her husband or husband to be, you know, to actually be out there actually playing. So. But she knows. She knows better now because she's gonna get the backlash, and then it's gonna fall on Dylan, Gabriel and he gonna get pissed. What are you doing? You can't be doing that. You know, they. They're both new to this. They're both new to this. And she will understand. You got to be careful before you. Before you hit sin. You got to think because once you hit it, it's there for life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And guess what else, Ocho? Guess who gonna get asked about this. You think they're gonna ask 12 about this?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think they're gonna ask the fanski about this?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Of course.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't really have. Shouldn't look. They should be like, okay, what do you guys need to do to get a win? What do you guys need? Blah, blah, blah, right? I got. Now I got now I've got to ask answer questions about something a lady that ain't. Ain't never. Ain't never only been going to the game to see Dylan.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now I gotta answer questions about what she said. That ain't got nothing to do that's gonna help us win a football game, Mocho. Nothing whatsoever.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Hey, it just adds to the circus. Adds unnecessary, unnecessary fuel to the fire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I, I just like Chad. I would just recommend anybody, young ladies, if you. You. You dating a guy in college or high school and you guys might be together. Just keep that in mind. Everything you say that's related to football is going to be tied back to him. And you might have your. You might be like. You might be your own person. You have your own thoughts, you have your own mind. And I get to talk. I'm. I can speak freely. But they're going to tie it back to him, and that's not fair. And that's not fair to him. And you don't want to put that kind of stress. You don't want to put that kind of pressure. And you don't want to sign. Shine that kind of light on him. So just be. Just, Just be mindful of that. That your actions gonna reflect back on him. It's gonna tie back. It's gonna tie back to him just like if you do something out. Oh, man, that's. Man. Oh, man. You see, man, you heard what happened to Ocho Girl, man. You heard, man. Man, they say Sharp girl was acting a fool in the mall. Yeah, it's. It's different when you date a celeb, entertainer, actor, actress. It's a different set of rules.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you have to move differently. You gotta buy it like, oh, I move how? You can't do that. You can. Because now you can't just think about. You you have to think about that other person and the possible Jeopardy apparels you might put them in. And I don't think enough people do that. No, but you should. I mean, the really ones. Ocho, you ain't never seen. You ain't never seen Peyton Manning white or heard her say anything, have you? No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See, that. That's. That's. That's a different type of understanding.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I had no idea until she walked up to me. She said, you don't know who I am? I say, I sure don't. She said, I'm Ashley, man. I say, how you doing? Yeah, had a great. There's. I mean, so many people that you wouldn't even know. That's their. Why? Because they, like, hey, stay in the shadows, do what I do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, well, some understand they have to play the background. Some understand they have to play the background, and they're not the main character. I understand I'm not the main character, and I know my place, and I know my role. There are a lot like that. Then there are some that want to be front and center. Okay, that's my man. But I need to be. I need to be front center right along with him. It's different every. Everybody different. It also depends on who you're dating.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Some people date you just because they want to be front and center.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And quarterback, first of all. Quarterbacks, bar is a different level.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're basically dating the CEO.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You date the CEO, the guy. So you definitely. You definitely have to be willing to take a back seat. You got to be like. Like Savannah James.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She ain't gonna. Hey, she gonna do a little podcast. She got a little whatever she got going on. Look, they. They try to beat up for Aisha Curry, but I understand what she's saying. I understand what she's saying, but, man, I just. I just. I just hate it. I just, you know, understand. They're young, though, Ocho. Some things. You know something? Sometimes you have to make a mistake before you understand the gravity of what you're in. And then you get a true understanding of what you're dealing with. So hopefully she learned that. Just keep that to yourself, okay? The building wants him to play. If and when that time comes, he gets an opportunity to get back in there. He plays well. He's over to hold down the spot. But don't you go on social media and act up. Oh, Joe Shador Sanders says he's working hard to build trust with Jerry. Judy Shador says it's going to take some Time that chemistry with guys like Jerry, I'm more of a trust person. So we have to spend some time on the task. It's just, it's just. And I told you, Ocho, anytime you, anytime you start doing this right here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I mean, listen, it's a disconnect, you know, it's a disconnect. Once that WI FI get on point, it's gonna be all right. You gotta understand, these two ain't work together.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Chemistry is very important. I think people, those that have played the game at, at any level, you understand, it's one thing when you get to the NFL, right? You have to be able to. You have to work with your receivers. You got to work with receivers because just because you have a ball in your hand, you have a guy out there running routes, doesn't mean you have an instant connection.

[Shannon Sharpe]

True.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There's certain little nuances that you have to have, certain rhythms and timing that you have to know that over a course of a training camp, over a course of the off season, that you get to know your receivers. I mean it in the right now. I understand their frustrations. They're not winning. Judy wants to get the ball. Judy wants to be productive in that offense. And things aren't going the way he'd like right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But the problem that people are going to have is that, first of all, Shador is a. Is a rookie quarterback only in only his second start, like you said. But what about the previous eight games when Dylan Gabriel was in there and Joe Flacco's in there? So how many times did you. Do we see that at that kind of attitude on the sideline, right? Cause I'm sure Dylan Gabriel failed a bunch of them. He killed a bunch of worms and hit a. Knock a couple of birds out of the sky. And we didn't see this. So people like, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Jew. The man just got in this on his second game starting. He's a rookie quarterback. If he's a second year, third year guy and y' all still not on the same page, Right. I would get it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But in this scenario, it's hard to get people to be on your side, considering, if I'm not mistaken, he lead the league and drops and you had a 35 yard completion that you let the guy come from behind you and knock the ball out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's what people see. Now last year he had an unbelievable season. Jameis did a great job of throwing him the ball.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, crazy work last year. Yes, crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you have to. But Ocho, now, we can't take one season and forget about the. The. The. The. The year that was in Denver before and what's going on right now. We're not going to do that, right? I just want. I want. I want Jerry to understand that this is a rookie court of a rookie quarterback in only his second start. How about. I mean, maybe y' all spend some.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Extra time after practice, after practice, Wednesday, Thursdays, Friday, stay out. Stay. Stay out a little bit longer. You know, get. Listen, hell, me and Me, mentor. Me and uncle. Me and Carson used to do that. Used to do that. And I'm not talking about when he first got there. From when he first got there. Third year, fourth year, fifth year. We get. We got in that extra timing just to know, boy, you can have. We can have a goddamn blindfold on. He can throw that ball and know exactly where I'm gonna be at, right? Every time. On rhythm, regardless of a rush, regardless of whoever's in front of me, regardless of a defense. So when we were out there, it was like. It was. Damn. It was damn near 707. Like, that's how sharp and on point and precise we were. It was like. It was Damn near like 7 on 7.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But it. But it's. But it takes time to build. Oh, yeah, you just don't go. You just don't go in like, okay, yeah, we got it. No, it doesn't happen like that. You've got to put time in. Y' all need to sit in a meeting room. Okay, tell me what you're thinking on this route. Tell me what you're thinking on this play right here. That's how. That's how I was with John. I'm like, okay, tell me what you're thinking. Well, if the guy's playing you like this, expect it on the outside. But like this. I'm gonna put it on your back shoulder. Or, you know, hey, like we were talking about, when that guy's running and I can't beat him over the top. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said, I'm a back shoulder. You so just know that the ball is going to come. You're gonna have to open your hips and catch it on your back shoulder.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what's funny is that I'm. I like that we talk about this, too. And I want to talk about the way. The way I view Jerry Judy and the type of receiver he is is they're having problems. They're having problems and issues offensively over there in. In Cleveland. But I. I've always seen Jerry Judy is not a problem, but a solution to the problem. Especially with the skill set that he has as a receiver, regardless of the drops, regardless of. Of the issues he's may have had, understanding what he can do when it comes to putting people in the goddamn blender, being able to define the mismatches for him offensively, knowing that he can beat. He can beat whoever is out there at db. He can beat, like. Let me say this again. He can beat whoever there is out there at db. He's a mismatch for damn near anybody. Unless we talk about, you know, one of the top two better DBs in, in the NFL. His route run is tremendous. His ability to separate is tremendous. So I don't even understand where the issues are coming from, you know, especially seeing them with the, with the animations and theatrics on the sideline.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, let's Goddamn easy. You know, the fact that he's one of those few players, there's only a handful of them. You know, I don't got to worry about you here. I need you to just get open. Just do that for me. Just get open.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so you look at Judy as a number one?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not even close.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You don't think so?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you, you listen, can I say something real quick? Yes, I know. So I know some, maybe people in the chat, or maybe you might not be fond of them, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I got. No, I like him. I thought he. I thought he should have been. I said when they came out, he came out that draft with cd, with Jetta, with rugs. I said he should have been the number one receiver.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Take it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, so I, Yeah. Hey. And I was happy that he went. But Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Simply, Simply this. Huh? Simply this. Being able to get open, beat man to man and create separation. That's. That's all I need. Because the ones that are number twos can't do that consistently. The people that are number two cannot do that consistently. Those all receivers that are number one receivers. My officer coordinator doesn't have to hide me. It's third down. We need you to get open, man to man. I don't give a. Oh, I almost cursed. I don't care what it is. Get open, Jerry. Judy can do that, he can do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying you can name 20 receivers, 25 receivers better than. I mean, he's number one on that team because you got that look, if you talking about a number one because he has to be a number one on that team. But you go 25 deep receivers before you take him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So we. We basing things off skill set? Are you basing off numbers? What are we talking about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

His skills are not conducive. Look at his numbers in Denver. Look at his numbers now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's what I just said. Are you talking about his skill set or we talk about numbers?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, everybody's a number one if you just look at skill set. Because everybody can get open. I can stack up a bunch of them. Yes, they can. No, I'm not. Look, let me take that back. Everybody can't get open. But how many? How many? If we were to have a draft right now and you start taking receivers, how long before Judy gets selected?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, we. You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You throwing. You throwing. You throwing in different scenarios that I'm not talking about. He's not a one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. He's. Ocho. He's. He's a two. He's a solid two. A solid two. He's not a one receiver.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What. What is. What is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you a question. Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What is your criteria? What's your criteria for being the number one receiver? I'm curious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They build a game plan to stop you. Are they building game plans to stop Jerry Judy? You know damn well they're not building no game plan. They built a game plan to stop Ochocinko. They build game plans to stop Shannon Sharp. He is not a number one, because you know why? Chad, if he was the number one OO would have said, hell, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are they building. Are the defensive building game plans to stop him? Yes or no?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. So let's go. We got 32 NFL teams, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I asked you. Let me. No, no, no, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can't do that. No, let me finish. You got 32 NFL teams. So every time, every team plays that has a number one receiver, the defense is game plan to stop day number one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely not. When we come. When we come in.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Or when we come in on Wednesday, if he's circled as a D. A guy that we got to stop, if we don't stop him, that's what the number one is. I'm not saying that every week he's gonna get that, but we gotta focus on him. If we don't stop him, we can't. It's gonna be hard for us to be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's only five receivers in the NFL that teams have to do that, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, only five, Number one. And you. It's a lot of. I get. He's from Miami 5.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, A.J. brown, C.D. lamb Pickens. It's only a few receivers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nico Collins is a number one. Tyreek Hill is a number one. Brian Thomas Jr. Is a number one. The guy the Giants is a number one. Picking CD is a number one. Terry McLaurin is a number one. The guys that they got two guys in the. Drake London is a number one. Stop this notion. Don't do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on. You just throwing anybody name out there. Top cone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are they number ones, yes or no? Who are they? Number ones, yes or no?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you. Oh, so hold on. So when you play the Atlanta Falcons, the, the focal point is stopping Drake London.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is Drake London the number one?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Is that what you ask me? Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's their best receiver.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's not their best receiver.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

JSN JSN Is not a number. Oh, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, now we talking. Now we talking. Now we talking. Now we talking. Now we talking. Now we. I like, I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, O. Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I'm, I'm basing. No, I'm basing it off what you're able to do. I need skill set.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How we know he's had one year. So what about those years that he didn't do nothing? So all of a sudden. So he just acquired this skill set last year. The previous three years he lost it, and he's lost it now, but he had it last year. Nah, I tell you what, you take Jerry Judy or devonte Smith, you take Jerry Judy or Jalen Waddle. I'm just, I'm just asking. Those are guys that play too. So would you take them? Would you take. Would you take Jerry Judy or would you take devontae Smith? Would you take. Would you take Jerry Duty or Jalen Waddle? Would you take. Would you take him or you take Pierce? Would you take Pierce in, in Indy or would you take Michael Pittman Jr. Over Judy? Which one you taking? I'm giving, I'm giving. I'll give you every chance to take Judy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So listen, I, you, you hear. You hear everything. All the, all the comparison and teams and, and, and, and how you doing? And how you doing that right? You, you see what you're doing? You, you, you talk about, you talk about, you talk about players that are all on competent offenses that get that get balls with quarterbacks. You see? You see what you're doing with. Are you trying, Are you trying. No, no, no. You trying to compare the goddamn shit circus he got to fucking deal with at Cleveland? And, and you're naming the Dolphins you naming Daniel Jones over there throwing the ball, looking like goddamn Tom Brady reincarnated. Like, come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about Malik Neighbors? How was he. What was the Giants last year?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he. He was gangster, boy. He was gangster.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mean that rum. That rummage sale that they had up at the Giants last year that he had 100 and something catches?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they. Yeah, they. They threw that thing to him like crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just. I'm just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, this is, this is a great. This is. This is a great comp. I like this conversation. I like this conversation. But let me tell you something also. Situations matter where you are matters, quarterback matter. It's so many factors that come into play, especially when you start naming other receivers on other teams that are in totally different offenses with good quarterbacks and great offensive systems. That, that, that's all. So it's like, it's, eh. It's almost unfair to have that conversation in comparison, but let's, let's. Let's move on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, not 90% of the chat disagree with you. 90% of the chat say he's not one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, 90% of the chat can't. Can't cover me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

90%, matter of fact. Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not 100% of the chat can't cover me and tell me nothing about playing receiver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe 15 years ago you had a very compelling argument. Now. Jerry, Jerry Judy leaves the NFL and drops and drop percentage with qualified on target passes drop by receiver. Judy has dropped almost 19.6percent higher than any other receiver. Hey, man, Ocho to be a hell of attorney, y'.

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All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho no damn well y' all guilty. Ocho to hear whatever it is. The weapon. Ocho gave it to the lawyer. Oh, you're bad. Look at my client. He do this?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, you got me hot, man talking about the check. Hey, you got me hot talking about this. Chat can cover me, man. I'm hot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. Hours after the Eagles lost to the Bears on Friday, Philly OC Kevin Petulo was a victim of a house getting egged. Petullo has been heavily criticized this season for the underperformance of the Eagles offense. The team ranks at the bottom third of nearly every offensive category. Ocho consider how much egg cost, man. Like what, eight, nine dollars?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, listen, they. They told. They told me we were in a financial crisis. They told me the economy was bad and we got people out here wasting eggs to eggs somebody house. Listen, I love the Philly fans. Philly fans are very passionate, a very passionate fan base. They travel well. They support their team through Thick and thin. They ain't really had too much thin, but God damn, this is the same fan base that threw snowballs at Santa Claus years ago. I hear that story all the time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He ain't bring no gifts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So something like this doesn't surprise me being how serious they are about their football team. They won the super bowl last year. Things haven't been the same. The offense doesn't look the same. So who is the blame? Whose name keeps coming up over and over and over? Listen, that they're going a little too far. They're going a little too far. They need to have 24 hour security at Kevin Patullo's house so he doesn't have this issue anymore. They don't, they don't do the players like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I mean, damn, I'm, I'm there for. Look, I, I, I get it. I, I get that. You know, fans get upset. They want to win. I mean, they're so passionate. You know, fan is short for fanatic. And when you fanatic about something, you sometimes, you know, you go over the edge and you get fanatical. Yeah, about it. Yeah. That's not to excuse. I don't want you, I don't want you guys to take this the wrong way, to say it's because they're upset. They have a right to be upset. Boo all that you want to. Yes, but don't, don't, don't damage the man property.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, come on. That's too far.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damage demands property. That's what I'm saying. Look, they need to get this thing fixed. It was, it was a lot easier for Jalen Hurst to play quarterback last year because Ocho, he was throwing the wide open windows because, you know, it was single coverage because we got to get this eighth guy down to stop Saquon. Gotta stop Saquon. Look, he's not the, the greatest thrower of the football. And that's not a knock. There are a lot of guys that's been able to, to, to make in the league without being great throws at the football. Everybody, look, everybody gonna be Aaron Rodgers. Everybody go. Everybody gonna be a Patrick Mahomes in some of these great throws at the football. Some people are gonna have to win games a different way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so, you know, we, we, I, I think the thing is with Jalen is that we look at him and it's, it's not as aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Is he as great a throwing the football? Is that. No, absolutely not. You might say that. Well, he won A super. Okay, if that's your only measure, take off. But there have been a lot of great. There have been a lot of players that have won Super Bowls. That's not as good as some of the players that haven't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they need to figure this out and what's going on. Jalen's gonna, they're gonna have to trust Jalen. Jalen's gonna have to trust them, and he's gonna have to take some risk. He just is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, listen, I, I, because I, I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I just, I just don't see a scenario now, Ocho, where this running game. This running game ain't even close to what it was last year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, absolutely not. And the fact that it hasn't got. Going this late into the season is probably not going to show up. And probably not going to show up. I mean, I mean, this, this far into the season. But one thing I do know is I wouldn't count Jalen out, honestly. Regardless of whether we could run the ball, regardless of how people feel about him being able to throw the ball, I think they have, they have, they all have a win, Winning mentality. And that goddamn, that quarterback, he has the worst, the worst when it comes to just. It's football, Football only. You don't smile. He don't make no jokes. He's locked in, and he's been locked in since they won that Super Bowl. So if they're going to win, I think he's going to have to be on the shoulders of him and on the arm of that quarterback. And I think having A.J. brown, having Devonte Smith, I, I feel they're going to be okay. Kevin, I mean, Mr. Petullo, he's still going to be calling the plays. He's still going to be calling the plays. So it's going to onus. The onus in winning those games since you can't run and gonna have to come from Jalen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think the thing is, for me, Ocho, I'm gonna see if he's gonna be the offensive coordinator next year. Because I remember when they went through that lull.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he said he believed in him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That quarter, he wasn't the court, he wasn't the coordinator the following year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's when they brought Kellen Moore in and Kelly Moore, they got called the plays, they went to the super bowl and they won it. So we'll see. I mean, everybody says, oh, yeah, this we don't, we win as a team, we lose as a team, but we'll see how Much are you willing to take losing as a team before you make changes?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right, because, listen, they gonna make them. But you know, the coaches, you know, Sirianna gonna say all the right stuff publicly. He gonna say all the right stuff.

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They.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They do every. Everything is always politically correct when they speak. But he know their issues because job. You know, jobs. Jobs are at stake. I know you're just coming off a Super bowl win last year, but I mean, hell, I mean, what's going on this year is unacceptable, you know, by their standards. By not just the team standards, not the organization. Hell, by the fan standards as well. That's why they egging the goddamn coach house. We not finna. We not. Man, what's up, man? You got. You better get it. You better get it together.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Figure it out. Yeah, it's tough because, like, when you win the super bowl, that's the expectation.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People think Super Bowls are easy. People think you just. Oh, once you win, you just keep winning and winning and winning and winning. No, people don't realize. Like when Tom. When Tom. They like, okay, they wanted 01, they missed the playoffs in O2, and then they won 3 and 4. They didn't win in 5, they didn't win in 6. They got back in 7. They didn't get back in 8. They got back in 10. Then they missed 11, 12, 13. They got back in 4. It's bro. It's hard. It's hard to repeat. That's why they have only been a handful. They've been, what, 59 Super bowl winners. Only a handful of those are repeated. It's hard. It's not something that's easy to do because you have so much turnover. As far as, like, you get your friends, you can only sign a few, and then people come steal all some of your best players that you can't resign. Some of your best coaches, they get other jobs. Ocho, they go to college, they get the jobs in the NFL. And. And then you all. This is the biggest problem that you have.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You get guys wanting to do more with what they did last time was enough. So everybody wants to be the reason why. So now I need to do more. Ocho, you call 85. Paul's last year, man, I need to catch 100 now. No, 85 was plenty. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I think the thing is, like.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, what we in week 14, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

God damn. But the season over, what it is.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I got you. Listen, listen, listen. For Patullo's sake, I hope things turn around. You know, I think he needs to have 24 hour security outside his home from this point on. I mean, it's. It's unfortunate that it has. It's come to this, but I think he also needs to understand how serious the fans of Philly take their football. This ain't no joke. The fans of Philly, they beat up Santa Claus, man. They hit him with snowballs like, you know, you know. You know how serious that is?

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[Chad Ochocinco]

We took Santa. Many people in Philly don't play, man. They do not play. There's a certain standard that you must live by as a coach, as a player, and we don't meet that goddamn standard. What happens? You get egged, you get snowballs. I mean, no. No disrespect, you know, I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just saying, like Philly Manham fans, they don't play, they travel well, they support, and they mean business.

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